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TFalke55
19th July 2008, 15:57
Entrants (No/RealName/Team/Nation/LFSUserName [activity]):
Requirement achieved:

24 / Kenneth O'Keefe / Rising Phoenix Motorsports / Canada / Racer Hero
53 / Jörgen Kursk / Fragmaster Racing / Estonia / Fuse5
88 / Mark Bos / Formula Racing / United Kingdom / Mazar
82 / Tom Hands / Formula Racing / United Kingdom / MexicanHatBoy
89 / Pasi Venäläinen / Formula Racing / Finland / Maissi
84 / Kev Smith / Formula Racing / United Kingdom / Brit_ORC
11 / Justin Kay / - / USA / TeamPlayersBlue [This entrant has different numbers for the Kyoto 500 and LFSCART; #1 @ Kyoto 500]
86 / M. Duff / USA / Formula Racing Org / MacDuff
14 / Marcilius Nerius / Exburos-Racing / Lithuania / expolite
66 / Rob Wilson / - / United Kingdom / Grizzleguts
47 / Erdem Oguz / - / Germany / rusha22
55 / Thilo Falkenberg / yfb LFS Racing / TFalke55 [only Kyoto500, GP Aston]
13 / Bogard Michels / Exburos-Racing / Germany / Bogi
28 / Zecevic Nikola / Gospel of Torque / Serbia / niikoolaa
26 / Gluscevic Lado / Gospel of Torque / Serbia / Ladinho
77 / Jack Ward / Adaptive Racing / United Kingdom / Jwardy
83 / Andreas Errikkson / Formula Racing / Finland / Hibex
36 / Timo Hynninen / saucisse de foie / Finland / hyntty
25 / Tosic Dejan / Gospel of Torque / Serbia / Toske
44 / Branislav Goga / Sunday Drivers Incorporation / Slovak Republic / BranislavS
27 / M. Barnsley / Good Winds Racing / USA / GooberIV
52 / Jake Lennan / Rising Phoenix Motorsports / Canada / LazLoW
78 / Matthias Agari / Factory Phantom Racing / Germany / Matze78
54 / Ondřej Maška / ACTUAL LINUX e-Racing Team / Czech Republic / Agarash
2 / Zdeněk Cagaš / - / Czech Republic / Kid222
17 / Brad Tarlton / Peregrinus / United Kingdom / MR B

TFalke55
19th July 2008, 16:36
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART_Projekt.png
Standings after Round 4

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R5_Drivers.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R5_Teams.jpg

Mazar
19th July 2008, 16:57
Driver's Championchip

1 83 Andreas Erikson Formula Racing Sweden 109
2 89 Pasi Venäläinen Formula Racing Finland 84
3 36 Timo Hynninen saucisse de foie Finland 81
4 84 Kev Smith Formula Racing United Kingdom 64
5 44 B. Goga* Slovak Republic 50
6 38 Maarten Noordhoek* Netherlands 44
7 119 Bert Wijnholds* Netherlands 38
8 88 Mark Bos Formula Racing United Kingdom 37
9 13 Bogard Michels Exburos-Racing Germany 36
10 52 Jake Lennan* Canada 34
11 46 D. Southword Peregrinus United Kingdom 33
12 28 Zecevic Nikola Gospel of Torque Serbia 32
13 26 Gluscevic Lado Gospel of Torque Serbia 30
14 #001 Jaward Munir* United Kingdom 30
15 302 Jack Honeycutt* United States 26
16 53 Jörgen Kursk Fragmaster Racing Estonia 25
17 238 Steven Henri* United States 22
18 55 Thilo Falkenberg yfb LFS Racing Germany 20
19 14 Marcilius Nerius Exburos-Racing Lithaunia 16
20 5 Salminen Formula Racing Finland 12
21 25 Tosic Dejan Gospel of Torque Serbia 11
22 24 Kenneth O'Keefe Rising Phoenix Motorsports Canada 0
23 33 Ben Keough CoRe Racing United States 0
24 47 Erdem Oguz Germany 0
25 66 Rob Wilson United Kingdom 0
26 77 Jack Ward Adaptive Racing United Kingdom 0
27 82 Tom Hands Formula Racing United Kingdom 0
28 86 G. McClay Formula Racing United States 0
29 11 Justin Kay United States 0

Team Championship
1 Formula Racing 122
2 saucisse de foie 81
3 Gospel of Torque 62
5 Exburos-Racing 52
4 Peregrinus 33
6 Fragmaster 25
7 yfb LFS Racing 20
8 Rising Phoenix 0
9 CoRe Racing 0
10 Adaptive Racing 0

The above results where posted following Round5 SO4R.

This contradicts with the results given in this post:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=46116

Where you posted these results and standings following Round5.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R5_Drivers.jpg

Which is correct?

Best, Maz

TFalke55
19th July 2008, 18:58
After Round 5

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R6_Drivers.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R6_Teams.jpg

TFalke55
19th July 2008, 18:59
took the wrong link... corrected by now

Mazar
19th July 2008, 20:41
took the wrong link... corrected by now

Phew, thought Deko had done a whole field penalty for a moment there Falke!

Many thanks.

Best, Maz

Mazar
20th July 2008, 10:55
the preultimate round of LFSCART '08 is going to take place in Aston. Aston North reverse's most recocnizable corner is the Corkscrew. The narrow pitstraight guerantees some interesting scenes during the pitstops in the feature race ihis weekend on Sunday, the 20th of July, will be in Aston North Reverse. We are going to have a 20 minute long qualifying followed by a 8 lap long Sprint Race (normal LFS Start). The feature race will be started one lap behind the SafetyCar, Then 24 race laps. During these 24 laps one pitstop has to be made.

You sent this PM to competitors.

In the OP it says...

20.07.08 Grand Prix of Aston (AS7)
Sprint: 8 laps Main Event: 24 laps

When did you change this, why didn't anyone know.

We have been practicing for the track listed in the OP!!

Best, Maz

Mazar
20th July 2008, 11:17
there will be a extra ranking for the final two races, using the LFSCART point system, the "Road To Victory Cup"

What is the road to victory? how does this work??

Best, Maz

TFalke55
20th July 2008, 11:57
this will be just the two last rounds counted together as extra ranking. After a huge pm action, writing to former Gentlefoot Formula Challenge FO8 drivers, and getting some new sign ups, i thought some other drivers might be interested as well to race again, by awarding the best drivers of the last two rounds.

TFalke55
20th July 2008, 11:58
my fault... I read wrongly my own notes. it is AS7, Aston North!

Mazar
20th July 2008, 12:00
this will be just the two last rounds counted together as extra ranking. After a huge pm action, writing to former Gentlefoot Formula Challenge FO8 drivers, and getting some new sign ups, i thought some other drivers might be interested as well to race again, by awarding the best drivers of the last two rounds.

Great idea! good luck to the new series entrants..

Welcome to CART.

Best, Maz

Mazar
20th July 2008, 12:02
it is AS7, Aston North!

Phew! breathes sigh of relief.... :thumb:

Best, Maz

Mazar
20th July 2008, 17:49
Server sign in for todays CART round.

#17 - Brad Tarlton - Peregrinus - United Kingdom - MR B

Welcome to CART.

Have a great race.

Best, Maz

dekojester
20th July 2008, 20:19
Talk about Round 6 at Aston North here !

Sprint Race was 8 laps, Feature Race was 24.

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TFalke55
20th July 2008, 21:14
Short update on the scoreboards, not official yet:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_Drivers.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_Teams.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_RTV.jpg

Agarash
20th July 2008, 21:24
Thanks so much for inviting! That was a nice event. Sadly I had a terrible lag in the second last lap which sent me straight to nowhere in T1 and spoiled my race :( See you next time.

Kid222
21st July 2008, 07:31
Well what can i say... track was great, car was feeling okay, but i did so much mistakes so i didn't finish in both races.

TFalke55
21st July 2008, 20:25
The replays: http://rapidshare.com/files/131434699/LFSCART08-06-mpr.zip.html

dekojester
22nd July 2008, 01:21
Here are LFSStats Reports of the results:

Sprint Race Statistics: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_AS7_Round6SprintResults.html

Spring Race Lapchart: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_AS7_Round6Sprintlbl.html


Feature Race Statistics: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_AS7_Round6FeatureResults.html

Feature Race Lapchart: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_AS7_Round6Featurelbl.html


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Mazar
22nd July 2008, 09:12
Great!

Really good to see the new series entrants. Some excellent driving from all thanks and nice to see you guys competing in CART series events, nice people so hope to see in season 2.

Congrats to Matze, Thomas and MR B on really great drives for the podium places. MR B coming through from the back over 24laps. Thought that was a particularly nice drive!

Cant ask more really than good organization, driving and racing but..We need a season 2 starting soon. Great thing about the virtual world where its always dry and sunny. Season 2 could kick off soon after Season 1 couldn't it?

Thanks all.

Best, Maz

TFalke55
22nd July 2008, 20:13
Cant ask more really than good organization, driving and racing but..We need a season 2 starting soon. Great thing about the virtual world where its always dry and sunny. Season 2 could kick off soon after Season 1 couldn't it?


What to say about season 2:
The main discussion will be held after the final race. I have a couple of ideas for organising it, to mention something at this stage: a CART light division using the FOX, and some format changes... what and how I immagine having "it" I'm going to present next week.

Mazar
23rd July 2008, 08:49
Please also consider the European based FO8 drivers who do not have many league opportunities. The last race showed that many top teams and drivers in the class are looking for well run series to compete in.

Stability of the formula and series would keep on attracting those teams i think.

Best, Maz

Matze78
23rd July 2008, 09:52
I would take part in season 2, but i wish that the races will be a bit earlier... Looking forward to my first (...) Ovalevent on sunday.
Hoping for a full grid!

Cu all there,

Matze

dekojester
23rd July 2008, 10:01
I would take part in season 2, but i wish that the races will be a bit earlier... Looking forward to my first (...) Ovalevent on sunday.
Hoping for a full grid!

Cu all there,

Matze

I know that when I schedule events, I try to keep them at times convienent for Europeans and Americans...I have to, because I live in America. It's a think we'll need to work on, for sure.

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Mazar
23rd July 2008, 10:17
I would take part in season 2, but i wish that the races will be a bit earlier... Looking forward to my first (...) Ovalevent on sunday.
Hoping for a full grid!

Cu all there,

Matze

That is brilliant new Matze! look forward to seeing you there.

Hope you have fun and if you have the chance come practice drafting with us on CART server.

Best, Maz

TFalke55
25th July 2008, 22:37
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_Drivers.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_Teams.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART08_R7_RTV.jpg

TFalke55
26th July 2008, 19:03
Dear racers. The final round of LFSCART will be this sunday on the 1,9mi Oval of Kyoto, using the clockwise (reversed) direction.

1900UTC - Qualifying
1930UTC - Sprint Race of 15 laps, rolling start, 2 formation laps
2000UTC - Feature Race of 55 laps, rolling start, 2 formation laps, madentory pitstop

For personal reasons, I cannot be there, sothat Dekojester is going to be in charge this Round.

TFalke55
27th July 2008, 13:38
due to some new events I'll be there today!

dekojester
27th July 2008, 21:22
Here's the place to banter about the race !

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TFalke55
27th July 2008, 22:04
First of all, I want to thank all the drivers who competed in the LFSCART, you did great races and there was some great scenes over this season, great fights, some accidents, but in the end, everything went really fair. Then I want to thank FRO. You gave me some great support during this season, additionally the FRO team was really reliable, their drivers were ready to race at each point of time, and their servers were stable. We did not have big issues with disconnects. I also want to thank Hyntty in this context. Finally I have to thank the team around New Dimension Racing Events. You helped me running this series, and also it was great how interested you were into the Kyoto 500 + LFSCART combination thingy, and in the end with the join.

Thank you Thank you Thank you

You want to have any information about season two? I can give you one: It will be bigger and better! Stay tuned!

By the way... the unofficial season standings... please keep the unofficial in mind, as we have several incidents:

So our Top three racers would be:

1. Erikson
2. Venäläinen
3. Smith

Team Championship top three:

1. Formula Racing
2. saucisse de foie
3. Gospel of Torque

And the winners of the Road To Victory Cup

1. Agari
2. Erikson
3. Venäläinen

dekojester
27th July 2008, 23:03
And here (http://files.filefront.com/LFSCART+Round7Replays7z/;11246074;/fileinfo.html) is the replay package from Round 7. It includes Qualifying, Sprint Race and Feature Race.

Results coming in the next few hours, once I finish plonking them through LFSStats.

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dekojester
28th July 2008, 00:50
And, here's results and stuff from the races today, straight out of LFSStats. :-)

Qualifying Results (http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_Round7Qualifying.html)

Sprint Race Results (http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_Round7Sprint.html)

Feature Race Results (http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/LFSCART/LFSCART_Round7Feature.html)

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MexicanHatBoy
28th July 2008, 10:12
Cheers guys.
I just want to say a big thanks to both of you for all the effort you put into organising it! Exceptional work, I'm just sorry I couldn't make more races.

Mazar
28th July 2008, 10:29
Wow, what a brilliant finish to the season with one of the best passing moves ive seen on the reverse oval when Maissi passed Hibex in the last corner of the last lap. Awesome move Maissi. Hib may say he gave you some room there eh, rofl. Brilliant race both of you!

Congratulations to series Champion Hibex on a well deserved victory in CART 'Season 1 superb driving throughout! brilliant races and some unlucky incidents but always maximum speed throughout the year and a fantastic 2nd place in the series to Maissi, pushing Hibex hard right to the last corner of the series! awesome work. Congratulations also to Brit ORC with consistent drives for the points taking home a 3rd place in the series and completing a FRO 1, 2, 3! awesome performance guys!

Nice to see Matze winning a award as his performances over the last two rounds earnt that for sure, great debut drive on the Oval and unlucky with the rule infringement.

Thanks to Falke for the getting this league going and to NDR for smooth run events as always fun to drive in and making this a great league! It really was enjoyable and think the partnership with NDR should mean a great show in season II.

Cannot wait!

Kid222
28th July 2008, 18:08
Great racing yesterday, didn't expect so much fun from oval race, but it was. :)
Crashed in pre-last lap in sprint but in feature race, after SC let us racing, it was really blast.

Thanks for organisation and congrats to winners.

TFalke55
24th August 2008, 13:57
Hi... I know it was a bit quiet the past time... but I hope you're able to remember Season 1, sothat it can be improved in season 2 :thumb:
one thing will be changed: The Oval Races will be longer.

I think the road to season 2 begins right here right now. :D

TFalke55
24th August 2008, 13:59
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/CART08_final_Driver.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/CART08_final_Team.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/CART08_final_RTV.jpg

JO53PHS
24th August 2008, 14:07
Well for one thing, we somehow need to get more of the entrants to turn up, or just get more entrants all together :shrug:

You should spam LFSCART info onto every LFS related forum you know :D

TFalke55
26th August 2008, 18:23
Well before Season 2 starts, (wich will be still much time till then), I want to ask how high the level of interest is, in a CART light division. The CART light division would contain two classes: The FOX and the FBM class. Both would race in the same grid to my plannings.

with this thread I simply want to know wheather there is any interest in this idea.

hyntty
26th August 2008, 19:27
You're f*cking insane....

But a brilliant idea, magnificent :thumb::thumb::thumb:

Just one quesion, don't fbm's pwn fxo's? What's the catch there?

TFalke55
26th August 2008, 19:29
:shy: shit... shit... misspelled the Formula XR

sry... I meant the FOX not the FXO.. :(

damn... :(

hyntty
26th August 2008, 19:31
Oh, man.... Formulas and touring cars would have been so great.

Guess it's just me who's insane.

TFalke55
26th August 2008, 19:38
Well before Season 2 starts, (wich will be still much time till then), I want to ask how high the level of interest is, in a CART light division. The CART light division would contain two classes: The FOX and the FBM class. Both would race in the same grid to my plannings.

with this thread I simply want to know wheather there is any interest in this idea.

TFalke55
26th August 2008, 19:49
after some very complicated moderating things, I finaly did it and corrected the poll!

Mazar
26th August 2008, 20:02
... is a crap idea, because...

Because you have not proven the viability of the main series yet.

As winners of the LFSCART team title, 1st in the drivers tables, sponsors of the server and racers, guess we have a right to make a point.

So here it is, the last season of LFSCART was a total utter fail.

Many times our team nearly the only ones there. Many times our team along with Hynnty, and our invited friends from the FRO servers were only racers on the grid. Unless this series is marketed, maintained, results posted promptly and efforts made to attract and retain good drivers there is no main series to have support classes for.

So until there is absolute proof that the LFSCART series is viable, sustainable and promoted. There is no fecking point what so ever in discussing a support series. Last year we waited weeks for results from rounds from the main series for weeks and weeks, let alone 3 series!!

The main series needs marketing, it was proven to be able to attract drivers with the end of season races, however this for organizers should be a constantly ongoing effort, not a last gasp effort, which it was. It also is not the job of the racers to attract their own competitors.

Switching classes is also not the answer, the series was not full and this was due to no organiser effort to market or attract drivers. When the effort was made, you doubled the grid! Changing classes wont help and you cant have support series without a main class what they going to support.

Solve the problems experienced in the first season of LFSCART and sure, in future you could have many leagues, but without proving the 1st, then there will be nothing. You have a great formula for a great series, get it done.

Best wishes, Maz

TFalke55
26th August 2008, 21:01
I can release some information about the next season:

Three Oval Races: the SpeedWeek 400 (220 laps), The 2009 Kyoto 500 (270 laps), the Clockwise 300 (170 laps) with no Sprint Race
A bit longer feature races: stepping up from 75mi to 100mi and shortened qualifying, instead of 20min Session, a 10 min session.
The Jamaica 200 as an Endurance Race at Fern Bay Black (50 laps)

A pitwindow for the feature races' manantory pitstops.
New Rules concerning tyres.

Oval races will be all under the same rules (exept: double file start in the SpeedWeek 400 and the Clockwise 300, triple file in the Kyoto 500)

A point scheme wich rewards everyone who starts

Matze78
27th August 2008, 14:16
Quote:
... is a crap idea, because...

see thread above, all the reasons are there. This would kill LFSCart...

Cu,

Matze

TFalke55
31st August 2008, 10:52
One of these logos will be the official one:

Logo 1 is last year's logo, with the 2009 instead of the 2008
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART09_Logo_1.png
Logo 2 is based on the ChampCar Logo of 2003
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART09_Logo_2.png
Logo 3 is based on this year's NASCAR Sprint Cup Logo
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/TFalke55/LFSCART09_Logo_3.png

The Nations Cup will get its 2nd chance. The points are now given based on the position the first of a nation finishes.

Road to Victory and Oval Cup Awards will be given to the best Road Course and to the best Oval racer at the end of the season.

Max. 4 racers per Team per Race, max 6 racers per Team per Season. (But the possibility to found a 2nd team stays)

#1 can only be used by A.Erikson
#2, #3, #4 can be used by Formula Racing. As alternative, they have got the first picks to choose their Starting Numbers.
#01 can only be used by B.Goga for winning the Kyoto 500 (Season 09, the winner of the Oval Award will get this right)
M.Agari will get the second pick to choose his starting number for winning the Road to Victory Cup

Skin must include the Flag and the IOC country code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOC_country_codes) on the side plates of the rear wing. BUT: The United Kingdom will be split in the Nations Cup into England (ENG) Wales (WAL) Scotland (SCO) and Northern Ireland (NIR) (not a final decision)

hyntty
31st August 2008, 11:30
Number three! The best by far. Unless you do something to that cheesy irl logo in #2

pacesetter
7th September 2008, 11:43
I am seriously considering doing the next season coming up :thumb:

TFalke55
7th September 2008, 17:20
I attatched a skin wich basically shows all "madentory" stickers in its positions. ( ["09"] = Starting Number, [LFSlogo+"LFS"] = Flag + nat. code, Indy-thingy)
The Nations' codes and flags are attatched in the LFSCART_Stickers.zip together with the "indy-thingy".
Other Nations will be made when the Sign-Ups are opened.

About the Safety Car Procedure:
The Safety Car is going to be slowed down to maximumly 80mph (130kph). On road courses there will be a maximum of 3 Laps behind the Safety Car on Road Courses. So called Rescue Cars are given the task to get flipped cars back on their wheels (still NO RESET) if they don't succed before the safety car reaches it's inlap, the flipped car is out.

About Qualifying:
Generally it will be forbidden to use walls or glitches etc. to warm up the tyres. spins and sliding can be judged as dangerous driven and can cause penalties, depending on the situation.

About Nations Cup:
The Nations Cup is going to use the (new) Drivers' Championship finishing point system. The nations ranking is based on the finish of the best driver. E.g.:
Race Results
Sweden
Finland
England
England
Finland
United States
Scotland
Germany
United States
Greece
Sweden
Mexico
Ireland
Japan
Australia


Nations Cup:

50pts - Sweden
40pts - Finland
36pts - England
33pts - United States
30pts - Scotland
27pts - Germany
24pts - Greece
22pts - Mexico
20pts - Ireland
18pts - Japan
17pts - Australia

Nations' Cup, Drivers' Championship and Teams' Championship standings are going to be updated through the season. Road To Victory Cup Results will be published after the last road race and the Oval Trophy results are going to be published after the last race of the season. The Road To Victory Cup only counts the best three (road) races of a driver, so it can also award drivers who decide to join, even during the season.

TFalke55
15th September 2008, 16:19
Race distance:
The race distance is set to final at least one week before the race. 75% of the race distance must be completed to count the race with full points. Otherwise only half points will be given for the race. In the case of an server chrash the results (times) of the parts will be counted together. If the server chrashes the lap before the server chrashed counts. The race clock will tick down, even when the server chrashed, sothat there won't be too heavy big delays for the racers. The maximum race durations are: Sprint: 30 mins, Feature race*: 75mins, Jamaica 200*: 150mins, SpeedWeeks 400*: 210mins, Clockwise 300*: 180mins, Kyoto 500: no limit

(*=counted from the real [rolling] start)

Chrisuu01
17th September 2008, 09:20
If i get another member can we make a team Holland?

TFalke55
17th September 2008, 18:04
yes... no problem with having a Team called "Holland" :) as long as you don't have offensive names you can name your team however you want to name it...

in the ChampCar World Series there was also a team called Team Australia, and me and my team mate (wanted to) start under the name Team Deutschland in the UF baby-R Season 2

TFalke55
10th October 2008, 13:55
I'm actually in talks with the OWRL, we won't have schedule conflicts with the OWRL Division A during the upcoming season. I hope to be able to announce the dates soon. There will be several pre-season Events to fill the time, which will not count towards the championship.

also I like to announce that a modifyed version of Logo 3, will be the official for the next season.

By the way: ;)

"CART light" is buried somewhere in my garden... so this won't be the killer of LFSCART

your Live for Speed Championship of Auto Racing Teams organisator

TFalke55
27th October 2008, 11:21
Hi, I'd just need your help:

The carlendar stands, and the race distences are fixed. The procedure for racing will be Grand-Prix-Start Sprint Race and Double-File-Rolling-Start Feature Race at Road Course Rounds. But some aspects of Road Course Rounds I really would like to include, but I don't know wheather they would be too much. So I leave them open for discussion. I'll also leave a poll for the next two months so you are not forced to post a giant statement.

1.) Qualifying format:
As I said before, the qualifying is shortened to 10 minutes. It is open to all starters. I even have a solution for the unlike situation, that we'll have more then 30 drivers. Details to that will be only released in the Rulebook as I really thin that this is a very unlike situation to happen.

The thing about the Qualifying format, I'd like to have your thougts would be a so called "Top-8 Shootout". After the open Qualifying session, the qualifyied Top-8 will do two Sprint Races of 2 laps with madentory pitstop. In the first race positions 5 to 8 will race, in the second positions 1 to 4 will start. A tyre compound change will be madentory. The total race times will declare the grid position from pole for the fastest to position 8 for the last.

The Top-8 Shootout will the point in time, from wich a Live Stream / a possible post production will start. To make it timewise possible to everyone a LFSCART event would start 15 minutes earlier then last season (please note: Saturday racing not sunday racing ;) )

2.) Warm-Up Lap during Sprint Race:
To be a bit more moderate, this idea wasn't made totally on my thoughts. Originally this idea was made for a STCC Season 2 by Becky Rose. It will give two possibilities. First off all everyone is able to bring his/her tyres on temprature. That would guerantee more grip during the first turns then with a normal LFS start. For Broadcasting and such stuff it would also give the opportunity to commentators to say some words about the starting line up, and other stuff, wich could end up not being said during racing action.

It would look like this: I'd load an layout wich shows where the start box is. During the warmup lap noone is allowed to overtake. When arriving on the start/finish area, you'll have to park in the park boxes. The start signal would be given by an automatic start light button thingy (that would be at least the plan) or a green flag.

3.) Madentory Tyre Compound Change
This would definately bring some more sense into the madentory pitstop for the Feature Race. You will have to use both, R2s and R3s during the race. Like in some serieses you only have to change 2 tyres at least, and not all. R4s are totally prohibited!


So now your turn, comment on my ideas, are they good or bad.

Falke

hyntty
27th October 2008, 12:29
Hmm.. Personally I'd like to see a superpole rather that a race... But productionwise the race is a smarter plan. It'd also be very unique, and quarantee some action. Though it does have an obvious downside: The fact that no matter how badly you fail you still start 8th... but I guess a divebomb to the 1st corner would be penalized

TFalke55
27th October 2008, 16:54
yeah... Yeah, anyone who chrashes on purpose or things like that is going to get a penalty. It can be an easy penalty (45s on the Top-8-Shootout results) or a heavy penalty (suspension from the race and other penalties concerning upcomeing rounds), in between there are also some other penalties, like a 5 grid position penalty.

Storm_Cloud
29th October 2008, 17:31
Changing compounds would be a disaster and make the series gimmicky and seem more like "Whacky Races". If you were to equate F1 tyres back to the LFS nomenclature then if prime is R3 then the option would be R2.6 or R2.7.

R2 are qualifying tyres for FO8 now. R3 and R4 would be less ridiculous, but there would still be no strategy in it as you would just run R4s for the shortest possible period.

As for the warmup lap - we tried that in OWRL F1 and it didn't really serve the purpose. Tyres were not warmed significantly and there are all the disadvantages (warmup lap crashes, drivers in wrong order, no native jumpstart penalty).

TFalke55
9th November 2008, 09:26
Changing compounds would be a disaster and make the series gimmicky and seem more like "Whacky Races". If you were to equate F1 tyres back to the LFS nomenclature then if prime is R3 then the option would be R2.6 or R2.7.

R2 are qualifying tyres for FO8 now. R3 and R4 would be less ridiculous, but there would still be no strategy in it as you would just run R4s for the shortest possible period.

Well, if you're only changing two of the tyres, eg. only the front two ones, in my experience, they are going to wear well for about 40mi, if you can handle them... maybe that's only because of my slowness

but generally I also see that problem now


As for the warmup lap - we tried that in OWRL F1 and it didn't really serve the purpose. Tyres were not warmed significantly and there are all the disadvantages (warmup lap crashes, drivers in wrong order, no native jumpstart penalty).
:schwitz: ups...didn't thought of these points... native jumpstarts okey... something which could be controlled, but the drivers in wrong order and the warmup chrashes... two big cons I did not thought of...

TFalke55
9th November 2008, 12:43
I just ran over the replays of last season, and saw, that we had many interesting scenes, some nasty incidents but all in all good racing in season 1 :thumb: made fun looking through them :thumb:

Storm_Cloud
9th November 2008, 15:26
I'd go with everything Mazar says.

One other thing to add - I would say that drivers who wish to compete in the oval races (the 500 excepted which has its own criteria) should race and complete a certain percentage of laps of the preceeding road course races. This would keep the races as part of the championship and not have them invaded by oval "specialists".

TFalke55
4th December 2008, 15:03
44.44% Pro Top-8-Shootout /con 11.11%
66.67% Pro Warm-Up lap during Sprint Races /con 11.11%
66.67% madentory tyre changes /con 22.22%

This poll will close on 26th December 2008 at 13:29

all those things will be tested at the next test event based on these polls 28/02/2009 - LFSCART Trainings in Jamaica - Fern Bay Gold (FE3) - 3,514km/2,184mi (s:11 laps/f:46 laps)

GreyBull [CHA]
5th December 2008, 08:10
Is the starting time definitively fixed to 6:00pm? Because if yes, I won't sign-up to this league for some reasons...(read : dinner):schwitz:

TFalke55
5th December 2008, 18:12
I there will be some discussions about the starting times... I didn't speak much about it with the rest of NDR yet.

Mazar
7th December 2008, 23:48
One other thing to add - I would say that drivers who wish to compete in the oval races (the 500 excepted which has its own criteria) should race and complete a certain percentage of laps of the preceeding road course races. This would keep the races as part of the championship and not have them invaded by oval "specialists".

Totally agree with Storm here. This led to a nasty incident in one of the rounds when i took Mr Storm Cloud out when trying to make sure I stayed with the 'oval specialists' as i needed the points.

Sorry about that Storm, it was a stupid move.

Making sure guest oval specialists cannot interfere with the seasons racing is a good thing and i agree that making sure they have competed in previous rounds would do just that.

Best, Maz

TFalke55
11th December 2008, 22:06
I just open a poll where you racers can decide what car will be the official safety car. The rescue car is fixed to the RB4.

Vote post spread around some ideas. :thumb:

The options you'll have:

Scirocco (might be slow but a real car)
Raceabout (real car, middle fast)
FZ 50 (middle fast LFS own car)
FXO GTR (upper class of quickness)
XR GTR (fastest car in the poll)

Note... the poll will close on valentin 's day

J@tko
12th December 2008, 17:21
From a SC Driver's POV, I'd say that the FXR would be ideal, though the FZ5 and the VWS are both good choices too.

My only reservations are that the VWS will probably be a bit too slow in a straight line maybe... :shrug:

I say FZ5.

Mazar
12th December 2008, 18:34
FXR is very stable, easy to drive quick enough to keep the racers moving fast enough.

We need a suitably qualified SC driver for CART and oneGP seasons..regardless of car, would be good to recruit a full time SC driver who can do what you need and understands what is going on/required.

Best, Maz

Storm_Cloud
13th December 2008, 10:58
If it is not one of the GTR cars then it will be a joke series. FO8 cars following a non-downforce wheezer like the VW is ridiculous. Lap times on a long Aston config would be over one minute slower, so tyre temperature would be a massive issue.

Can't believe you're having a poll on this, or that such unsuitable cars were included.

Mazar
13th December 2008, 11:21
Can't believe you're having a poll on this, or that such unsuitable cars were included.

+1

Best, Maz

TFalke55
13th December 2008, 12:21
Well you're right... dump thing of me opening such a thread sry :(
so the poll could get the name "stupiest poll ever"
even the votes won't have an effect... You're right: we're best staying at XRR/FXR as SC(s) and RB4 as RCs

TFalke55
24th December 2008, 09:42
LFSCART will have a new possibility of entering the series. Last season everybody had to sign up on his own. The entries were personally. In the new season we will allow Teams to demand a certain number of entry spots (up to 4). The Team can send every driver they want to the race and they are gueranteed these spots at each event (exept the Kyoto 500). The team manager needs to announce which racer is starting in the upcoming race (like in oneGP) These "Team spots" will be limited, sothat independent racers also have a chance to enter LFSCART. If there are more demands then spots (e.g. 18 Team Spots availabe, 8 Teams demand totally 22 spots) the decision on who will get the team spots is made by certain criterias (tba). Details will follow later with the release of the rulebook.

TFalke55
4th February 2009, 20:23
Totally agree with Storm here. This led to a nasty incident in one of the rounds when i took Mr Storm Cloud out when trying to make sure I stayed with the 'oval specialists' as i needed the points.

Sorry about that Storm, it was a stupid move.

Making sure guest oval specialists cannot interfere with the seasons racing is a good thing and i agree that making sure they have competed in previous rounds would do just that.

Best, Maz

therefor the rule is implemented that during the Clockwise 300 and the Kyoto SpeedWeeks 400 only racers can start who have finished one feature race (or two sprint races) during the 3 races before...

If you did not notice yet... sign-ups are open... :)

Mazar
5th February 2009, 08:50
therefor the rule is implemented that during the Clockwise 300 and the Kyoto SpeedWeeks 400 only racers can start who have finished one feature race (or two sprint races) during the 3 races before...

Cool, i think it will work to the series advantage.

If you did not notice yet... sign-ups are open...

Yes, have seen thanks. We are a bit stretched with commitments to FSR this season, so have to think about it Falke.

Best, Maz

TFalke55
19th April 2011, 10:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3gf73g2M0

The 2008 Season Finale, Full Race, now on Youtube!