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ORION
11th May 2007, 09:47
This post will be updated with all important info you need to know. If there are questions, they are ALL answered here, even PMs (if they dont contain private data and are interesting also for others).


Well, today our hoster got a technical problem, and they have no clue when its fixed... So I have moved the whole page to my own server, which you can reach here:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/

The stupid thing is, that the last backup I made is from yesterday, so the ALL quali signups got lost :(

-> You dont need to signup for the quali anymore. Just join the server and race!


Same for our server guys from DRT racing. No sign of life from them... But dont worry, Im going to ask my hoster at ZT for a couple of servers, which are the fastest anyways ;)


Imortant data for now:

Patch W21 will be used in the whole quali (=all quali dates)
ATM there will be one server for the quali, but if needed we open another one.
The quali will be be one hour long, and you can drive as many laps as you can in those 60 minutes. Only one driver per team can race. If there are different drivers racing, we will invalidate all laps except the fastest from the driver that drove the first lap.
NO layout is used to avoid cutting, however you shouldnt go mushrooming in the dark forest ;)
Password for the quali server(s): There will be a login on the 24h website, that you can access with your team name/id and password, which will also contain the required passwords.
1-6 drivers are allowed per team, and only teams with 3 or 4 drivers can win some of the prices. (The webite will be updated to allow 5 and 6 racers soon)
About the balancing issue, I have no clue yet how the X patch will handle this, so we have to wait I guess. For the race, we will use the latest patch. If patch X isnt out in time, we cant use it of course :D
because of the website downtime, the signup deadline for the race has moved to Saturday 22:00 UTC
You can see the current UTC time in LFS (for example on the screen where you arrange the grid and set the track/laps/wind etc.), or at lfsworld in the user bar.



Qualifying Dates: (there will be more later)

2007-05-11 Friday 17:00 UTC (18:00 WEST/BST/IST; 19:00 CEST)
2007-05-11 Friday 19:00 UTC (20:00 WEST/BST/IST; 21:00 CEST)

2007-05-12 Saturday 17:00 UTC (18:00 WEST/BST/IST; 19:00 CEST)
2007-05-12 Saturday 19:00 UTC (20:00 WEST/BST/IST; 21:00 CEST)

2007-05-13 Sunday 17:00 UTC (18:00 WEST/BST/IST; 19:00 CEST)
2007-05-13 Sunday 19:00 UTC (20:00 WEST/BST/IST; 21:00 CEST)
Duration: 1 hour; One driver per team.



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Updates will be posted under this line. If something above is colored in RED, its not valid anymore or got updated


You can request a password for the Quali server now:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/password.php



You can participate in as many quali sessions as you want, but still, only one driver per team is allowed!



The server is getting full now, quali starting in about 20 minutes :)


Quali started!


JOIN SERVER (lfs://|%5E224h%5E7+Quali+%2301|1|S2|/)





To all teams that signed up yesterday after 14:00 UTC:
PLEASE check your signup entry! due to the server crash, all data that was submitted after 14:00 got lost.





current quali results (this link is updated with the new results when they are ready)
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt/BasTi/24h_Qualy.jpg




Handicap settings for all regarding the 24hours race:

XRR - 50kg
FZR - 100kg
FXR - 0kg

Those are the setting that were present when you had chosen the cars. EVERY other setting would be unfair. This way, YOU made the decision, and not Scawen or the admins decided who has an advantage or disadvantage.







The rules have been updated with the latest changes, and some more info about cutting etc. The layout we will use for the race will be uploaded soon, but dont worry, there will be enough room left to drive, we are not going to put walls everywhere
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/rules.php

The final quali result and server partitioning can be seen here, if you havent noticed the link in the other thread yet:
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt/BasTi/Serveraufteilung_24h.jpg







Start Test dates are set, and the official layout is online. PLEASE read the rules, which contain important info about the start procedure!

Info:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/

layout:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/KY3R_24h.lyt





Important Rule change:

After the start tests, we are going for a standing start - see this post for details why:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=431852#post431852










You may get the password for the race now:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/password.php






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Nobo
11th May 2007, 12:47
I missed the information that we can have 5 or 6 drivers now, was about to post a 3rd Team. Thats great!:thumb:

ORION
11th May 2007, 16:37
Its Highly recommended that you make 2 teams if you can. Not only because of the prices, but also because if one driver has a lot disconnects, only one team loses the time, and the other one doesnt :)

DeadWolfBones
11th May 2007, 20:16
Well, just ran qual session #2 and I would like to compliment everyone on their driving, with the exception of the fact that several drivers are severely cutting turn 1 (and probably the chicane). They're basically launching all four wheels over the bumps and flying into the right hander. For example:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8532/cuttingrf0.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cuttingrf0.jpg)

The rules clearly forbid this, but those doing it were pretty much gloating about it after the fact (unless I was missing a joke). Disappointing.

keithano
11th May 2007, 20:24
Well, just ran qual session #2 and I would like to compliment everyone on their driving, with the exception of the fact that several drivers are severely cutting turn 1 (and probably the chicane). They're basically launching all four wheels over the bumps and flying into the right hander. For example:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8532/cuttingrf0.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cuttingrf0.jpg)

The rules clearly forbid this, but those doing it were pretty much gloating about it after the fact (unless I was missing a joke). Disappointing.

It is however, a serious problem. I've watched the replay of WR hotlap, they tend to do the same as you've posted. Therefore that's why so many people are following. No layout has been placed to avoid the cutting is actually quite bad.

banshee56
11th May 2007, 20:38
In my opinion, anything less than disallowing times by drivers doing this would be ridiculous. That is not racing.

ORION
12th May 2007, 10:58
for the quali its allowed because its alos hlvc valid
for the race you will not do it anyway because it kills your suspension.

joshdifabio
12th May 2007, 12:26
for the quali its allowed because its alos hlvc valid
for the race you will not do it anyway because it kills your suspension.

If you shortcut your lap will be deleted this is especially significant for the turn from the Oval back to the infield, and the turn/chicane towards the start/finish - straight and turn 1 on the lap.

The rules seem to keep changing. If there is anything else that has changed it would be useful for us to know.

Edit: Ah, I see. The screenshot (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cuttingrf0.jpg) DeadWolfBones posted is of a ZT car.

ORION
12th May 2007, 13:02
Well I guess its about what means cutting and shortcutting. What was the date from the post in the German Forum? Because the rules changed indeed, but that is already like 2 weeks ago iirc.

Quali results for now (replays are not checked, so the result isnt official)
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt/BasTi/24h_Qualy.jpg

I will try to make some screenshots and paint some lines in there what is allowed and what isnt

BenjiMC
12th May 2007, 13:33
i dont see anything about cutting on the website though.

joshdifabio
12th May 2007, 13:37
We have been told a few times on this forum that you can only participate in one qualifying session.

http://lfs.foren.4players.de/viewtopic.php?t=16414

Can you explain this ORION? It seems that the non-German users are really missing out at the moment, with one set of rules for us, and another for those on the German forum.

ORION
12th May 2007, 13:47
You can participate in as many quali sessions as you want, but still, only one driver per team is allowed!

Just read the posts maybe? its from the first post in ths thread, and I added this early enough. About an hour before the first quali session started...

All the info is here, so I guess its your turn to explain why you didnt read the post :D

joshdifabio
12th May 2007, 13:49
Just read the posts maybe? its from the first post in ths thread, and I added this early enough. About an hour before the first quali session started...

All the info is here, so I guess its your turn to explain why you didnt read the post :D

My mistake, but I think it would be better if you made a post to say when the rules are updated. If people are subscriped to the thread, an edit won't tell them anything.

Regarding the shortcut part though, that clearly states you are not allowed to cut T1 or the other cuttable curbs. That is exactly what the ZT car is doing in the screenshot. Why is this allowed?

ORION
12th May 2007, 13:53
i dont see anything about cutting on the website though.

Im working on it... I need to ask the other admins because I dont make the decisions here, actually I only wanted to make the website... but now Im doing a lot more... as usual ;) argh! :smileypul

ORION
12th May 2007, 14:17
Regarding the shortcut part though, that clearly states you are not allowed to cut T1 or the other cuttable curbs. That is exactly what the ZT car is doing in the screenshot. Why is this allowed?

Note that there is a difference between "cut" and "short cut".
Cut means you drive the turn in a very agresive way, over the curbs or grass for example. Short cut means you sorta leave the turn out, driving in an (almost) straight way for example.

For the quali, cutting is allowed as long as you dont drive through the tyres.

DeadWolfBones
12th May 2007, 14:32
Note that there is a difference between "cut" and "short cut".
Cut means you drive the turn in a very agresive way, over the curbs or grass for example. Short cut means you sorta leave the turn out, driving in an (almost) straight way for example.

For the quali, cutting is allowed as long as you dont drive through the tyres.

Thanks for clarifying, ORION. Still, this would have been nice to know so I could have practiced it.

Also, it still seems like bullshit, but I guess I'll go with it.

joshdifabio
12th May 2007, 14:36
Note that there is a difference between "cut" and "short cut".
Cut means you drive the turn in a very agresive way, over the curbs or grass for example. Short cut means you sorta leave the turn out, driving in an (almost) straight way for example.

For the quali, cutting is allowed as long as you dont drive through the tyres.

Ok, I see. So if on T1 you just drive right over the curbs, but don't touch the grass, that's ok? Same for the chicane at the end of sector 1?

DeadWolfBones
12th May 2007, 14:37
One further clarification, ORION...

Can one driver per car drive per session, or is it a single driver per car per all sessions?

joshdifabio
12th May 2007, 14:44
I asked on the German forum, it has to be the same driver but he can drive in all the sessions.

DeadWolfBones
12th May 2007, 15:14
k.

also, does the guy who qualifies the car have to end up on the eventual race squad?

DeadWolfBones
12th May 2007, 15:38
Hah. Tons of practice without cutting = pb 2:33.9

2 laps with cutting = pb 2:32.3

31s should be easy, I guess.

ORION
12th May 2007, 16:47
yea the cutting is lame, Im really not a fan of it myself, but the admin team decided to allow it for the quali, so its allowed :)
I mean, all can do it, so its still fair. And its a lot easier to control which laps are valid and which arent.

Any yes, the driver who drives the quali has to be in the lineup. So, if he cant drive in the race, the team has one member less. So you should chose wisely :)
Note that you can sign up 6 drivers per team now, so its not really a problem. But note that only teams that drive with 3 or 4 drivers can win the prices ;)

DeadWolfBones
12th May 2007, 18:21
Thanks!

E-Z.BasTi
12th May 2007, 22:02
I think this could be interesting for our internationals drivers as well. Orion, perhaps you can put the link in one of your top-posts or the website. I will update it after each session.

http://www.franknaggies.com/zt/BasTi/24h_Qualy.jpg

N I K I
14th May 2007, 19:17
E-Z.BasTi, I'm using XRR, please can you change that, my name is N. Dakovic

E-Z.BasTi
15th May 2007, 10:08
Yes of course, i will correct it later. Thx.

SchneeFee
18th May 2007, 12:27
FREE FOR ALL Trainingssession
every Day at 20:00 CEST @ liveforspeed.at#2.

Details pls see here: http://liveforspeed.at/?q=node/465

Oliv76000
18th May 2007, 20:22
FREE FOR ALL Trainingssession
every Day at 20:00 CEST @ liveforspeed.at#2.

Details pls see here: http://liveforspeed.at/?q=node/465
It's just for GTR and not for UFR or XFR?

SchneeFee
18th May 2007, 20:33
for all allowed cars.

What u saw was the race part of the story. Team Aut is only competing in the GTRs.

ORION
19th May 2007, 15:55
#1 of the last change quali is starting in one hour...

srdsprinter
19th May 2007, 16:37
same pass word as before?

ORION
19th May 2007, 16:42
yep

ORION
19th May 2007, 17:57
We will use 100kg for the FZR, and 50kg for the XRR, in both race and quali.
People decided to chose the cars with those handicaps, so its the best thing we can do.

ORION
20th May 2007, 10:17
the balancing has never changed, we use 0/50/100 for the whole event.

ORION
21st May 2007, 16:39
The rules have been updated with the latest changes, and some more info about cutting etc. The layout we will use for the race will be uploaded soon, but dont worry, there will be enough room left to drive, we are not going to put walls everywhere :D
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/rules.php

The final quali result and server partitioning can be seen here, if you havent noticed the link in the other thread yet:
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt/BasTi/Serveraufteilung_24h.jpg

srdsprinter
21st May 2007, 16:53
Race start:

The cars will be arranged on the grid, and then a lag lap is performed. After the restart, all cars follow the safety car for the lap, until it pits in
and the race admins start the race with the chat command.

single file? double file?

safety car speed?

race time start with safety car lap or chat command?

ORION
21st May 2007, 17:47
Rules are now updated with the details about the start.
Please everyone read them. Tomorrow (or this late evening), there will be an announcement about the start test sessions: We are going to test the start a few times this week (at the usal times like the quali), to be sure that everyone has understood the procedure. Of course the admins will have to test a bit more, to be sure they know all the details, and what to do if something goes wrong.


Some more info for later:
please check your signup for typing errors - the nicknames must be the exact lfsworld username, otherwise it wont work.
For the tracker, we will also need the Country and Real Names, but this will be announced tomorrow.

srdsprinter
21st May 2007, 18:09
To solve this, the 3 servers start differently:
First, all cars are put into the grid, secondly, the safety car starts on server 1, with 78kmh (conatantly). When it has reached the first split time, server 2 starts driving, and when the safety car on server 2 has reached the first split time, server 3 starts.

Wow, granted we would be behind (server 3 racers) but 2 * sector 1 @ 78km/h... yikes... thats 80 seconds at qualifying pace, probably close to double that for sc pace... ~140 seconds... a full green flag lap behind at the start.

ORION
21st May 2007, 18:57
Yes, we tried to take into account the time you lose passing other cars aswell.
I hope its not too much though!
Thats why we are going to make the testing. Actually I didnt want to post all the rules about the start yet, but as you guys asked, I added them right away.

DeadWolfBones
22nd May 2007, 00:22
ORION, what's going on with LFS Tracker this year? Is it being used? Do I need to give someone info for our teams?

csurdongulos
22nd May 2007, 09:57
just two notes:

we don't shift+s anymore, you should update it to shift+p. (shift+s is spectate now, not pit)

regarding the server split up, does it mean that theoretically a server 3 GTR could be the overall winner?

Belain
22nd May 2007, 10:06
yes a server 3 GTR could be the overall winner...if that GTR is just the fastest :)

ORION
22nd May 2007, 10:28
Yes, any car can be the winner that drvies the most laps in 24 hours overall :)

ORION
22nd May 2007, 17:13
Start Test dates are set, and the official layout is online. PLEASE read the rules, which contain important info about the start procedure!

Info:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/

layout:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/KY3R_24h.lyt

DeadWolfBones
22nd May 2007, 17:30
ORION, what's going on with LFS Tracker this year? Is it being used? Do I need to give someone info for our teams?

:shrug:

ORION
22nd May 2007, 17:44
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24749 !!!!
ok, I must admit the timing made it kinda difficult for you, because I posted the thread maybe one minute before your post hehe :D

DeadWolfBones
22nd May 2007, 18:07
Haha, thanks. :thumb:

banshee56
22nd May 2007, 18:34
Both of those start test races are before 5PM EST here in the states. Any chance you can schedule one on Friday at around Miodnight GMT?

EDIT: read the rules....simple rolling start...OK.... assuming there isn't any custom InSim apps running to facilitate the start, then we'll be ok.

ORION
22nd May 2007, 19:12
Can you maybe ask some more of the American guys, and decide about a good date?
MAYBE we can find some admins that have free time left then, but I cant guarantee for that.

But as you say, I guess most of you know the procedure anyway, and the safety car drivers have the toughest job there :)

srdsprinter
23rd May 2007, 02:53
Am I allowed to inquire as to what the "prices" are :razz: for this race.

PS. ORION - It's prizes, unless you plan on charging people for success. :D

Prize = Reward.
Price = A fee or cost for something.
lmao

LOTF racing is just racing for fun, utilizing 6 drivers, therefore not going for prizes. We do wish to drive competitively, and are curious what the prizes are.

Good luck to all.

ORION
23rd May 2007, 06:49
oh yea it should be prizes :D lol :D

ORION
23rd May 2007, 08:37
Hey everyone, if you want that all the others can also see your high res skins, not ust the default 512x512 ones provided by lfsworld, please send them here:
24hskin@krautracing.de

Skins that are currently online can be seen here:
http://www.krautracing.de/24hskin/index.html

ORION
23rd May 2007, 12:15
nothing big, just a few small things :)
at least no expensive wheels or sth. but it will depend on the guys from 4players :D

ORION
24th May 2007, 19:39
Ok, the start tests were performed successfully, and turned out to be a very good idea.

We are going to change the rules and make a standing start. The flying start turned out to be IMPOSSIBLE, people werent even able to drive with the pit limiter at 80 kmh behind the safety car without crashing. In most tests, half of the fileld didnt even reach the end of the formation lap.
We tested this many times, and the best result was maybe 3 or 4 cars that reached T2 in one piece...

Thus we are going for a standing start, which you can practise way more easily anyway.

In over 2 hours of testing, the worst T1 crash with a standing start was still way better than the best one with a flying start.

banshee56
24th May 2007, 20:18
What's the word on people re-entering the track after and incident?

In one of the test races today, there were a few cars coming back on track in heavy traffic, which is a serious risk.

ORION
24th May 2007, 20:20
Drive through penalty or a stop and go, depending on how bad the action is.
If the admins havent seen this, the team or drive must send a protest ticket, so the admins can decide about the penalty after the race (like 30/45/60 seconds time penalty etc.)

BenjiMC
24th May 2007, 21:31
how about to keep the rolling start we add a distance rule like i did in IGTC, it worked out great for round 3:thumb:

ORION
25th May 2007, 10:35
We tried this aswell (already in th 2nd or 3rd try), but people just didnt care and crashed themselves still :/
I mean, if they cant even drive in a row, they cant drive in a row with 20, 50 or 100 meters distance aswell ;)

ORION
25th May 2007, 16:16
You may get the password for the race now:
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/password.php

DeadWolfBones
25th May 2007, 16:58
Hah. Very good. :smileypul

DeadWolfBones
25th May 2007, 17:57
ORION-- one more question...

In-game are we supposed to use the naming format like so:

001 - M. Mustermann

or like so:

001 - Muster Mustermann

I've seen both used and both suggested by the admins.

ORION
25th May 2007, 18:05
Well thats up to you baisically, the only important thing is the correct lfsworld nickname :)
Some users cant use the full name anyway, because their name is too long.
You could also use 001 - Frank N.
even though my name is not too long :P

DeadWolfBones
26th May 2007, 03:00
ORION, did I read correctly on the german forum that the organizers still don't have marshals for all time periods and, more importantly, that there's only 1 marshal per time period? I'm no expert on this, but doesn't it take more than one guy to cover this large of a track and this large of a field successfully?

Also, are some of the marshals also driving?

DeadWolfBones
26th May 2007, 05:31
Also, ORION, do you know whether Mika's commentary on the video stream will be in English or German?

Black Goblin
26th May 2007, 07:23
ORION, did I read correctly on the german forum that the organizers still don't have marshals for all time periods?
Yes, currently are marshalls for theese times needed:
(CEST = GMT +2 hours)

Server: 24h Race #02
05-07: STILL FREE!
07-09: STILL FREE!
09-11: STILL FREE!

Server: 24h Race #03
19-21: STILL FREE!
21-23: STILL FREE!

I'm no expert on this, but doesn't it take more than one guy to cover this large of a track and this large of a field successfully?
Yes, 2 would be realy better. But the Problem that i see is that when 2 marshalls see the same incident,
they may not bouth give a panalty. So communication is very important when there are 2 marshalls.

Also, are some of the marshals also driving?
Couterquestion: How could a marshall do his job while he is driving ?
do you know whether Mika's commentary on the video stream will be in English or German?
I hope it's in german, his english is sometimes a little bit stressful. :D
... sorry Mika *duck*

ORION
26th May 2007, 08:30
One marshall is enough, because only obvious things are penalized directly. For most situations (the admin will likely not see the accidents), the admins meet together and discuss the mistake using a replay. (see the rules @ protest tickets). So, the important decisions are not being done while racing, but a few hours later, or even after the race. I made this to ensure that the admins dont have too much power, and to avoid wrong decisions. All they should do baisically is keep the chat on a low level, and check that people dont do silly things. Like driving one way or falling asleep on the straight :D

BenjiMC
26th May 2007, 09:26
wouldn't it be better to deal with incidents during the race? that way the results are more clear at the end of the event. Also imo 2 marshalls is a minimum, i like to have at least 3 and my events are only 4 hours added to the fact that theres not enough room for anymore. 2 is an ABSOLOUT minimum.

@the counterquestion, deadwolf meant that they are driving for a stint then marshalling in between.

Fetzo
26th May 2007, 09:51
yesterday some GTRs passed me in my lx6 very dangerously. i just want you to know, that the slower classes are having a race too and its not our responsibility to dodge the fast gtrs immediately.

overtake without contact pls, you have to know that the overtaking driver is responsible for the overtaking procedure and keep in mind that a little touch can send a lx6 off the track.

rules: "Slower cars dont have to leave their racing line, but have to provide enough space for the faster cars to overtake them. If there is no space, the faster car has to wait."

and never try to overtake in the oval entry!

BenjiMC
26th May 2007, 09:59
Also realise that us GTR drivers are having a race too and when we have somone on our arse at 150 mph we aren't exactly looking out for an LX6 doing 0mph less than us, we're watching our mirrors.

11SuLLy11
26th May 2007, 10:32
Is there anyway that people can come and spec the race or will it be broadcasted ?.

BenjiMC
26th May 2007, 10:54
Is there anyway that people can come and spec the race or will it be broadcasted ?.

It's gonna be broadcasted

11SuLLy11
26th May 2007, 10:56
It's gonna be broadcasted
Ok thank's:thumb:

Fetzo
26th May 2007, 11:21
Also realise that us GTR drivers are having a race too and when we have somone on our arse at 150 mph we aren't exactly looking out for an LX6 doing 0mph less than us, we're watching our mirrors.

well i just posted a general rule of racing, which obviously some drivers aren't aware off.

and.....you can't tell me that you are looking into your mirror all the time.....99% of the time you are looking into the direction you are going......and that's the advantage the overtaking one has.

Yaamboo
26th May 2007, 11:33
Also realise that us GTR drivers are having a race too and when we have somone on our arse at 150 mph we aren't exactly looking out for an LX6 doing 0mph less than us, we're watching our mirrors.

That doesn't sound like a 24 hour lasting comment.

Jakg
26th May 2007, 13:10
Benji - it's 24 hours, one contatact will loose you a LOT more time than waiting for one of the many straight bits where your 500 hp can come in very useful

joshdifabio
26th May 2007, 13:56
My team needs the password for server #01... I PM'd ORION but no response.

I'm not able to retrieve it from site and the member who can is not online!

I PM'd you.

N I K I
26th May 2007, 18:33
http://24h.lfs-tracker.de/

here is something wrong! We are 15 laps down and that cant be true! We had 2 dsc and we are driving 2:13's all the time so it is not possible that we are 15 laps down! We can be 2-5 laps down but 15 is imposible!!! Admins can you do something with it? Check replays and see this is wrong...

Also i just sow car 001 is lapped whole field so that is imposible too! TRACKER IS WRONG

and now it shows that ZT is 0.01 minuts off the pace

something's wrong

ORION
26th May 2007, 19:10
yea I guess there are some laps missing from the start... no need to worry though, everything should be logged

banshee56
30th May 2007, 20:42
Any idea when the final results will be posted?

DeadWolfBones
5th June 2007, 14:18
Any idea when the final results will be posted?

+1

Black Goblin
5th June 2007, 15:48
No, in the german forum they wrote that it would take a while.


... It's done when it's done ! :D

DeadWolfBones
5th June 2007, 16:44
Ok!