LFS Educational Movies

spankmeyer · 8th March 2006, 13:12

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So I finally got my skinny ass back in front of my video capture and editing programs. Recaptured all footage (in proper size this time), made completely new editing templates (making it easier to edit overall, create text overlays and freeze frames) and did better versions of old previous movies and two new episodes.

Part 1: Exiting garage and joining session
Part 2: Pitstop
Part 3: Rejoining after a spin *new*
Part 4: Close racing and overtaking *new*

There are some bad cuts, misaligned text overlays and typos, but hopefully they are fun to watch! Shoot for improvements and feedback once again.

Yes I know, they're quite big so more compressing is probably needed to keep them afloat (or upload to Youtube), but I got some spare web space and bandwith so suck 'em up while they last!

"Part 5: Blue flags" should be next, but I have to design a bloody magazine first so I got a busy week ahead.

Vain · 8th March 2006, 13:21

Great movies. Well done!

I actually enjoyed watching them (though I didn't learn anything), so really great work!

I suggest you to dedicate one movie or a part of one to helpful tools, like the Pitspotter. Not like saying "And the eleventh commandmend is 'Thou shall use the Pitspotter!'" but more like introducing that tool so people can decide wether to use it or not.

Vain

**Gunn** · 8th March 2006, 13:32

Very good work in my opinion.

danowat · 8th March 2006, 13:36

Excellent stuff, maybe an "overtaking manuevers", a "how to drive around T1" and a "how to anticipate the car infront braking" next

Dan,

Vain · 8th March 2006, 13:44

I think these are so good stuff they should be shipped with LFS. Or the movies should be used to make ingame-cutscenes for the training to safe filesize.

Vain

Matrixi · 8th March 2006, 13:45

Like I stated in the previous thread, awesome job

Keep up the good work. These videos should be in the liveforspeed.net download section for beginners to download imo.

marsden1002 · 8th March 2006, 13:48

very good videos.

** Off topic ** Just wondering why Vains post count has been on 555 for the past 2 posts???

**Gunn** · 8th March 2006, 13:50

Moved to beginner's section and made sticky for now. Perhaps when spankmeyer is satisfied with his end results we can better formalise the way they are presented.

axus · 8th March 2006, 15:27

Great work! Very nice videos indeed!

mrbogeyman · 8th March 2006, 16:10

Nice work spanky

Very clear and precise, just what is needed.

Someone mentioned a T1 guide, which is a crucial part of learning IMO. If you can get through T1 unscathed, you can use the same techniques throughout the race. Just to be pedantic - T1 video would include the Start too, i.e. 'Race Starts and Turn1'.

Zero7 · 8th March 2006, 18:12

Great stuff for beginners!

One suggestion would be to get a voice over reading the text on screen. I think this would give it more "involved" feel to the instructions. Hmmm, now there's a thought devs - willing to voice over?

**Bob Smith** · 8th March 2006, 20:05

Nice thread. How about "how not to panic, showing control and skill when something bad happens", which could be a blend of LFS footage, footage showing the guy behind the wheel, and one of those wonderful pedal shots showing the cool footwork.

@Zero7 - where have you been hiding? never noticed anyone from round these parts before (well, apart from Gopher04)

deggis · 8th March 2006, 20:55

Great.

Btw how are planning to make movies that concern corner rights, starts etc? "Surviving T1" probably is pretty easy to make just in a public server but with cornering you need some other players.

And I would suggest that don't do all of the movies with the XRT/BL GP. Most of the n00bs probably are demo players but I don't think half of them even knows this forum exists. And showing off some S2 tracks in the movies some players would get a reason to buy the license.

Plus there are better sections in Aston/Kyoto (for e.g. cornering movies) than in BL GP.

Zero7 · 8th March 2006, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Smith

@Zero7 - where have you been hiding? never noticed anyone from round these parts before (well, apart from Gopher04)

Well Bob, I've only really been playing LFS for about 6 months or so and completely addicted! And yes, I'm from good 'ol Pompey as well mate!

KurtG85 · 9th March 2006, 00:23

Maybe this was allready suggested cause i didnt read all the posts here, but an instructional video for basic driving techniques would be awesome for beginners too. Basically just showing proper trail braking techniques for rwd/fwd/awd. Of course going back to more elementary techniqes and warnings im sure would be helpfull to newbs too. I never really 'got' racing games till i actually went online and had to look up how your actually supposed to drive. For instance at the age of 11 or 12 i thought that the best racing line was to always stay at the inside of the curb. Its not as common sense as most people think.
Havnt watched the vids yet but props for helping out newbs as well as the rest of us who might become 'victims' of them.

Rappa Z · 9th March 2006, 00:48

What was with the movie.

jtr99 · 9th March 2006, 02:19

Fantastic stuff, Spankmeyer. I whine about poor driving standards, you do something about it. I take my hat off to you.

Moonclaw · 9th March 2006, 06:27

Obviously better way would be to have them as spr or mpr, 100kB vs 10MB.

Zero7 · 9th March 2006, 07:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonclaw

Obviously better way would be to have them as spr or mpr, 100kB vs 10MB.

Possibly, but you can't add overlay's like spankmeyer has done or add any other effects. For instance different camera angles, pausing at specific parts of the tutorial e.g. cutting the apex, passing manoeuvres and so on.

These could be expanded to include track tutorials as well.

spankmeyer · 9th March 2006, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonclaw

Obviously better way would be to have them as spr or mpr, 100kB vs 10MB.

I think it was a better decision to make actual movies instead of replay files. Like said, movies with overlays and freeze frames are more user-friendly lesson interface than raw replay files.
And since these first parts do not focus on car handling - which replay files are great - movies seemed like a better option overall. 10 Mb file is not actually gargantuan file size these days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtG85

Maybe this was allready suggested cause i didnt read all the posts here, but an instructional video for basic driving techniques would be awesome for beginners too.

Today I'll do the "Resuming race after a spin" -movie, but after that I'm planning to focus on actual racing.

Bramski · 9th March 2006, 10:25

This is great for newcomers to the community, I must admit to being guilty of some rather poor pit skills when I first started simming with LFS but after 3 weeks common sense has prevailed

If you need anybody for making any more movies I'd be interested (as would a few other members Im sure) in making a video on how to get a good line off the starting grid and successfully negotiate a safe passage through T1.

A drafting video would be cool as well which you will no doubt cover in your overtaking video.

**Gunn** · 9th March 2006, 11:42

I see no reason why advanced techniques can't be tackled too. Nobody has a monopoly on knowledge and experience so we all just keep on learning.

**EDIT: Just a note to new racers who might catch these vids, notice how the driver turns his head to check for oncoming cars? This is a really cool skill to have. At first it feels a bit strange to take your eyes of the track, but persist and practice and before long it will become second-nature. It's one of those little skills that are often taken for granted, but this can really improve your racing and in my opinion is one of the essential things to learn. Learn to look left, right and behind. Don't just rely on your mirrors.

deggis · 9th March 2006, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtG85

Maybe this was allready suggested cause i didnt read all the posts here, but an instructional video for basic driving techniques would be awesome for beginners too. Basically just showing proper trail braking techniques for rwd/fwd/awd. Of course going back to more elementary techniqes and warnings im sure would be helpfull to newbs too. I never really 'got' racing games till i actually went online and had to look up how your actually supposed to drive. For instance at the age of 11 or 12 i thought that the best racing line was to always stay at the inside of the curb. Its not as common sense as most people think.

Real life onboard videos are better for that purpose. It may sound funny but that's why we call LFS as a simulation.

ps. Spankmeyer, what kind of view settings do you use in LFS (those g force settings and move view with animation)? Because it looked somehow different than mine own or are you using TrackIR?

Matrixi · 10th March 2006, 07:43

He propably has Look Function set to Steer, so your ingame head turns as you turn your wheel.

spankmeyer · 10th March 2006, 07:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by deggis

Real life onboard videos are better for that purpose. It may sound funny but that's why we call LFS as a simulation.

ps. Spankmeyer, what kind of view settings do you use in LFS (those g force settings and move view with animation)? Because it looked somehow different than mine own or are you using TrackIR?

I always liked to set g-force movement fairly high in LFS, seemed a lot more immersive although such settings takes some time to get used to. Detailed settings:

FOV: 85
1g head tilt: maxed at 2 deg
1g lateral shift: halfway at 0.050 m
1g forward shift: halfway at 0.050 m
1g vertical shift: quarter at 0.025 m

Look function set to steer with sensitivity 1.50

Normally I use instant button look but set it to smooth while making these videos.

Madman_CZ · 10th March 2006, 09:28

Quote:

Nice thread. How about "how not to panick, showing control and skill when something bad happens", which could be a blend of LFS footage, footage showing the guy behind the wheel, and one of those wonderful pedal shots showing the cool footwork.

is that how u spell Panic BOB?

muhahahah

ohh no wait!!!! do i feel a foreign joke coming on?

nice thread.. vids are very informative and will for sure help an LFS newbie
a video that is needed is how to slip stream past a fellow driver and making the move stick! so many times have i been slip streamed and then nudged of the track as the other driver couldnt slow down on time and decided to use me as a barrier..... sometimes the move just wont work and people need to be showed examples of when it will and when it wont...

@Zero7: greetings fellow Pompey inhabitant

mad

**Bob Smith** · 10th March 2006, 14:44

Get back to work, plebe

deggis · 11th March 2006, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrixi

He propably has Look Function set to Steer, so your ingame head turns as you turn your wheel.

I know. I just asked because it looked somehow better than my own settings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spankmeyer

FOV: 85
1g head tilt: maxed at 2 deg
1g lateral shift: halfway at 0.050 m
1g forward shift: halfway at 0.050 m
1g vertical shift: quarter at 0.025 m

Look function set to steer with sensitivity 1.50

Normally I use instant button look but set it to smooth while making these videos.

Ok, almost the same settings just a bit higher. Maybe it just looked so different because I haven't played LFS for couple of weeks.

ekze · 11th March 2006, 21:15

spankmeyer, thanks for your work! May be very useful for newcomers.

Goop · 11th March 2006, 23:57

Very cool idea and execution, looking forward to the sequels

8th March 2006, 13:12	#1 -
spankmeyer S2 licensed Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 2,706	LFS Educational Movies Having problems with codecs? Download VLC – the cross-platform media player and streaming server for all your movie viewing needs. It has native support for most available formats, so no extra hassle is required to view different movies on the net. So I finally got my skinny ass back in front of my video capture and editing programs. Recaptured all footage (in proper size this time), made completely new editing templates (making it easier to edit overall, create text overlays and freeze frames) and did better versions of old previous movies and two new episodes. Part 1: Exiting garage and joining session Part 2: Pitstop Part 3: Rejoining after a spin new Part 4: Close racing and overtaking new There are some bad cuts, misaligned text overlays and typos, but hopefully they are fun to watch! Shoot for improvements and feedback once again. Yes I know, they're quite big so more compressing is probably needed to keep them afloat (or upload to Youtube), but I got some spare web space and bandwith so suck 'em up while they last! "Part 5: Blue flags" should be next, but I have to design a bloody magazine first so I got a busy week ahead. __________________ www.mikkohuotari.com Flickr miggohoo XBL: Spankmeyer Last edited by spankmeyer; 23rd April 2007 at 11:48.

8th March 2006, 13:21	#2 -
Vain S2 licensed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,941	Great movies. Well done! I actually enjoyed watching them (though I didn't learn anything), so really great work! I suggest you to dedicate one movie or a part of one to helpful tools, like the Pitspotter. Not like saying "And the eleventh commandmend is 'Thou shall use the Pitspotter!'" but more like introducing that tool so people can decide wether to use it or not. Vain Last edited by Vain; 8th March 2006 at 13:24.
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8th March 2006, 13:32	#3 -
Gunn Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,360	Very good work in my opinion. __________________ "Getting old is a fascinating thing. The older you get, the older you want to get." - Keith Richards.
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Vain S2 licensed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,941	I think these are so good stuff they should be shipped with LFS. Or the movies should be used to make ingame-cutscenes for the training to safe filesize. Vain
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marsden1002 S2 licensed Racername: Marsden1002 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 261	very good videos. Off topic Just wondering why Vains post count has been on 555 for the past 2 posts??? __________________ Outlawjapclub.com - Japanese for a Reason

8th March 2006, 13:36	#4 -
danowat S2 licensed Racername: danowat Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norfolk,England Posts: 9,124	Excellent stuff, maybe an "overtaking manuevers", a "how to drive around T1" and a "how to anticipate the car infront braking" next Dan,

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Matrixi S2 licensed Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 1,153	Like I stated in the previous thread, awesome job Keep up the good work. These videos should be in the liveforspeed.net download section for beginners to download imo.

8th March 2006, 13:50	#8 -
Gunn Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,360	Moved to beginner's section and made sticky for now. Perhaps when spankmeyer is satisfied with his end results we can better formalise the way they are presented. __________________ "Getting old is a fascinating thing. The older you get, the older you want to get." - Keith Richards.
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8th March 2006, 16:10	#10 -
mrbogeyman S2 licensed Racername: [dSRC] BOGEY Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Scotland&Malaysia Posts: 968	Nice work spanky Very clear and precise, just what is needed. Someone mentioned a T1 guide, which is a crucial part of learning IMO. If you can get through T1 unscathed, you can use the same techniques throughout the race. Just to be pedantic - T1 video would include the Start too, i.e. 'Race Starts and Turn1'. __________________ digiServ Racing Club: Fast, Fun and Friendly http://dsrc.digiserv.net/

8th March 2006, 18:12	#11 -
Zero7 S2 licensed Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Portsmouth Posts: 187	Great stuff for beginners! One suggestion would be to get a voice over reading the text on screen. I think this would give it more "involved" feel to the instructions. Hmmm, now there's a thought devs - willing to voice over?

8th March 2006, 20:05	#12 -
Bob Smith Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 10,756	Nice thread. How about "how not to panic, showing control and skill when something bad happens", which could be a blend of LFS footage, footage showing the guy behind the wheel, and one of those wonderful pedal shots showing the cool footwork. @Zero7 - where have you been hiding? never noticed anyone from round these parts before (well, apart from Gopher04) __________________ Vehicle Handling and Performance Analyser - Analyse your LFS setups like never before (thread) The Floating Widget - Home of LFS Advanced Setup Guide and more [but site is ancient] Setup packs: Road Going (last update 0.5Z) ... Easy Race (last update 0.5P) ... Drag Racing (last update 0.5U) Last edited by Bob Smith; 10th March 2006 at 14:45.

8th March 2006, 20:55	#13 -
deggis S2 licensed Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 6,133	Great. Btw how are planning to make movies that concern corner rights, starts etc? "Surviving T1" probably is pretty easy to make just in a public server but with cornering you need some other players. And I would suggest that don't do all of the movies with the XRT/BL GP. Most of the n00bs probably are demo players but I don't think half of them even knows this forum exists. And showing off some S2 tracks in the movies some players would get a reason to buy the license. Plus there are better sections in Aston/Kyoto (for e.g. cornering movies) than in BL GP. Last edited by deggis; 8th March 2006 at 22:26.

9th March 2006, 00:23	#15 -
KurtG85 S2 licensed Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 98	Maybe this was allready suggested cause i didnt read all the posts here, but an instructional video for basic driving techniques would be awesome for beginners too. Basically just showing proper trail braking techniques for rwd/fwd/awd. Of course going back to more elementary techniqes and warnings im sure would be helpfull to newbs too. I never really 'got' racing games till i actually went online and had to look up how your actually supposed to drive. For instance at the age of 11 or 12 i thought that the best racing line was to always stay at the inside of the curb. Its not as common sense as most people think. Havnt watched the vids yet but props for helping out newbs as well as the rest of us who might become 'victims' of them.
KurtG85 S2 licensed Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 98

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Rappa Z S2 licensed Racername: Rappa Z Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, US Posts: 2,622	What was with the movie.

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jtr99 S2 licensed Racername: Jason Noble Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 582	Fantastic stuff, Spankmeyer. I whine about poor driving standards, you do something about it. I take my hat off to you.

9th March 2006, 06:27	#18 -
Moonclaw S2 licensed Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 307	Obviously better way would be to have them as spr or mpr, 100kB vs 10MB.
Moonclaw S2 licensed Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 307

9th March 2006, 10:25	#21 -
Bramski S2 licensed Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 181	This is great for newcomers to the community, I must admit to being guilty of some rather poor pit skills when I first started simming with LFS but after 3 weeks common sense has prevailed If you need anybody for making any more movies I'd be interested (as would a few other members Im sure) in making a video on how to get a good line off the starting grid and successfully negotiate a safe passage through T1. A drafting video would be cool as well which you will no doubt cover in your overtaking video.

9th March 2006, 11:42	#22 -
Gunn Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,360	I see no reason why advanced techniques can't be tackled too. Nobody has a monopoly on knowledge and experience so we all just keep on learning. *EDIT: Just a note to new racers who might catch these vids, notice how the driver turns his head to check for oncoming cars? This is a really cool skill to have. At first it feels a bit strange to take your eyes of the track, but persist and practice and before long it will become second-nature. It's one of those little skills that are often taken for granted, but this can really improve your racing and in my opinion is one of the essential things to learn. Learn to look left, right and behind. Don't just rely on your mirrors. __________________ "Getting old is a fascinating thing. The older you get, the older you want to get."* - Keith Richards.
Gunn Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,360

10th March 2006, 07:43	#24 -
Matrixi S2 licensed Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 1,153	He propably has Look Function set to Steer, so your ingame head turns as you turn your wheel.

10th March 2006, 14:44	#27 -
Bob Smith Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 10,756	Get back to work, plebe __________________ Vehicle Handling and Performance Analyser - Analyse your LFS setups like never before (thread) The Floating Widget - Home of LFS Advanced Setup Guide and more [but site is ancient] Setup packs: Road Going (last update 0.5Z) ... Easy Race (last update 0.5P) ... Drag Racing (last update 0.5U)

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ekze S2 licensed Racername: RRT.ekze Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: St. Petersburg Posts: 347	spankmeyer, thanks for your work! May be very useful for newcomers. __________________ http://www.LiveForSpeed.ru A-SPEC.RRT \| A-SPEC Racing Club

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Goop S2 licensed Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 315	Very cool idea and execution, looking forward to the sequels
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