\lspped the Laptop in disaster

[harjun]

first of al, i would just like you to look at ALL of the pictures...and then tell me...casically, temps are going up yo 70 using speedfan, before they went till50-55 while on lfs....so do you think i have mucked up th sensor?...or i have i done somethin g wrong, if i have done something wrong...please tell me what to do, even if it involves sanding stuff down

more pictures in next post

thanks

[Jakg]

Firstly WTF are you doing taking the heatsink off? Congratulations on ruining your thermal paste, and getting air bubbles in there.

That fan looks about 60 mm, which means your better off blowing on it.

In an ideal world you would make some custom brackets and drop on a nice CPU cooler, but i highly doubt you'll get it mounted.

TBH if it were my laptop i'd do nothing, and if it blows send it back under warranty OR i'd replace the stock TIM with some AS5 (Or probably Shin Etsu, depending on how adventurous i felt), if it wouldn't require too much work.

That CPU cooler was designed for a much older batch of CPU coolers, TBH that's now the sort of thing i'd slap on the northbridge.

You can't much up a temp sensor, as the core one is built INTO the CPU die, and the CPU one is underneath the CPU in the socket - if they BOTH read 70 then somethings wrong, but if you get something like a lower core temp than CPU temp it's a possibility (My old CPU did this at the start, never worked out why).

I still don't believe it *actually* loaded at 55° when OC'ed though, from my experience with laptops.

[harjun]

more pics

ny the way, that hs and fan didnt fit

[harjun]

more..btw jack, any suggestions to fix it?

[harjun]

[ajp71]

I really don't get what thought process you used to work out that removing the heat sink and then taking a blurry picture of a screwdriver would be a more sensible solution to solving your overheating issue than just stopping overclocking it and seeing what happened.

What you've done is as about as helpful as checking for a leak from a petrol silo with a lighter.

[The Moose]

Originally Posted by harjun

any suggestions to fix it?

Clean off then re-thermal paste the CPU
Put everything back as you found it.
Undo the stupid overclock.
Pray it all still works.
Stop trying your best to ruin a perfectly good laptop.
Job done.

[Jakg]

Please tell me you didn't just take your CPU, clean off the thermal paste, put it back in and wonder why your temperatures were so high...?!


Every CPU and heatsink isn't perfectly flat - so when you put one on top of the other there are thousands of tiny air pockets stopping it making contact, as Air is a fairly good insulator, some heat isn't transferred and thus the CPU get's warm - You use a thermal paste (low heat resistance) to fill up these microscopic holes, making more heat come off the CPU into the heatsink making it run cooler. Now the trick is to use VERY little of this paste, as it is still an ever so slightly insulator - if you use too much, then you get god-awful temps (I've attached the last time i ever let my Dad put thermal paste on, and the amount i used on my old Athlon - as you have no IHS you won't need as much).

Your laptop will naturally run hot (like i said i cannot believe it loaded at 50°, that's why my 3700 did with a bigger overclock, about 50 CFM moving through the case and modded (crappy) water cooling) because of the lack of airflow - when you go and ruin the main part of it's cooling it gets even worse.

By the fact you've tried that crappy heatsink it implies you don't care if it's portable or not - if you don't need something portable, get a flaming desktop. It won't overheat as much, it will be cheaper and faster, more upgradeable, and if you build it you can spot faults so much easier.

[danowat]

Ever heard of the phrase, if it ain't broke don't fix it Harjun?.
Remember it in the future, it will save a HELL of a lot of hassle

[The Moose]

@Jakg

Ohh how i rofl'd at that first pic Its like some kind of cake filling!

"Would you like a processor with your thermal paste sir?"

[Jakg]

That's my Dad, a "qualified heating engineer" using half a TUBE of AS5 for ONE application.

MOST of the thermal paste was on the poxy heatsink as well!

This is the same Dad who after getting my to take my GFX card from my PC, snatched it and immediately dropped it on my foot - he then said "If it breaks, it's your fault" and walked off :X

[harjun]

ok thanks guys, well let me tell you story, on Vista, some times load temps were 50-60 Celcius...now after installing XP temps NEVER above 50...well, until i mucked everything up yesterday ...im not sure i did actually muck it up, so is this thermal paste the lovely squidgy stuff i found on the Heatsink above my graphics card?...because there was a different sort of "sementy" paste on the cpu, which i just scratched of my nail, today after coming back though, load temps are at 55

I really do want to get a desktop now, because after going to my dad's work yesterday, he has a very old computer, which i got the fan off....it was off a Pentium Pro, which was running at 100 Mhz, i dont know which computer is, but it allowed me to enter bios and it managed to be overclocked to 900Mhz...and with that "crappy" fan on it, load temps were 40-45, but there were a few other random fans, and it looks like some heat spreaders on the VGA, i guess my dad had built it a long time ago, how comes my VGA is so small, is it because it uses my RAM as memory?....because it actually has 128 mb dedicated memory, but bios allows you to put 258 more...making it around 350 something i would guess....

I really DO want a new desktop, because i just loved how fun it would be to do stuff to that computer, changing stuff, i also read over my brothers Asus motherboard manual, from a PC he has built recently...and it shows how to install everything, installing a heatsink, and i managed to successfully install the Heatsink on that computer, and load temps went to about...37, as an average calculation, with fan speeds on 100%....its just so fun, i decided when i get to University, my parents will OBVIOUSLY buy me a Custom built PC of my choice if i do good in Key Stage 3, or GSCE, i wish to buy a Core 2 Quad or Duo, as i heard they have a good overclock rate, and as for the overclock on my laptop, i got fed up with it, my laptop is a perfectly good Turion X2 as it is, and well, i am HAPPY with it!

So, when i got home, i was too overconfident, and i tried removing stuff, and well? i HATE laptops, desktops are so much BETTER, they all use the same fan input, my fan input was different, and it only allowed me to install 1 fan, so it was stupid.

So thanks guys for info...do you think i should like, sand it down or something? or should i not, i dont wanna ruin anything....i could just sand my heatsink and not my cpu?

ok thanks guys, i have now lost 5 celcius...but i am gonna study HARD for my gcse and KS3, so i WANT a good desktop

Thanks so much Guys

[ajp71]

You managed to overclock a processor 9 times faster than standard and it ran cool?

As for laptops I'm not sure if taking them apart removing the thermal paste then putting them back together would improve many peoples satisfaction level.

[JohnUK89]

Originally Posted by harjun

it was off a Pentium Pro, which was running at 100 Mhz, i dont know which computer is, but it allowed me to enter bios and it managed to be overclocked to 900Mhz...and with that "crappy" fan on it, load temps were 40-45, but there were a few other random fans, and it looks like some heat spreaders on the VGA, i guess my dad had built it a long time ago

That's just crap, for 3 reasons. First reason: No socket 8 motherboard in existence will allow a Pentium Pro to hit 900MHz (the Multi and FSB are nowhere near high enough, and even if they were, the processor would be massively unstable, and not even POST).
Second reason: The Pentium Pro was manufactured in 150MHz, 166MHz, 180MHz and 200MHz flavours, so even your original clock is wrong.
Third reason: The Pentium Pro didn't have a temperature sensor. Therefore checking core temperatures with them isn't possible.

Before making claims, CHECK YOUR FACTS!

EDIT: Forgot to mention that setting FSB and Multi in the Pentium Pro days involved shifting jumpers around on the motherboard. So even your method of overclocing wouldn't work

[Jakg]

Originally Posted by harjun

I really DO want a new desktop, because i just loved how fun it would be to do stuff to that computer, changing stuff, i also read over my brothers Asus motherboard manual, from a PC he has built recently...and it shows how to install everything, installing a heatsink, and i managed to successfully install the Heatsink on that computer, and load temps went to about...37, as an average calculation, with fan speeds on 100%....its just so fun, i decided when i get to University, my parents will OBVIOUSLY buy me a Custom built PC of my choice if i do good in Key Stage 3, or GSCE, i wish to buy a Core 2 Quad or Duo, as i heard they have a good overclock rate, and as for the overclock on my laptop, i got fed up with it, my laptop is a perfectly good Turion X2 as it is, and well, i am HAPPY with it!

WTF are you on.

I've got an Asus manual, and it shows how to install naff all, but it does go on about "ASUS EZSTEP SUPER PROPELLER NITRO TURBO ASAP 1337HAX" technology.

I seriously can't see your parents getting you a custom PC (your looking at £1k plus) for doing well in KS3 - i might come off like a rich spoiled toff with my PC, but i've been saving for a long while with an oppresive father who won't let me spend my own money - i went massively over-budget with my Quad Core (thus the B3) as it is. I thought i was doing well getting some cash towards my bike...

Originally Posted by harjun

So thanks guys for info...do you think i should like, sand it down or something? or should i not, i dont wanna ruin anything....i could just sand my heatsink and not my cpu?

ok thanks guys, i have now lost 5 celcius...but i am gonna study HARD for my gcse and KS3, so i WANT a good desktop

Thanks so much Guys

Please do NOT sand your heatsink, your crappy attmept at lapping WILL make things worse.

Originally Posted by harjun

ok thanks guys, well let me tell you story, on Vista, some times load temps were 50-60 Celcius...now after installing XP temps NEVER above 50...well, until i mucked everything up yesterday ...im not sure i did actually muck it up, so is this thermal paste the lovely squidgy stuff i found on the Heatsink above my graphics card?...because there was a different sort of "sementy" paste on the cpu, which i just scratched of my nail, today after coming back though, load temps are at 55

Reinstalling your OS will NOT make a difference to temps, only chances are you used a different version of software to check the temps.

I can't say what Thermal Paste is like, as OEM's use 4 gallons of the stuff and the stuff they do use is utter crap, but AS5

[mcintyrej]

I'm sorry, but I've just laughed my head off reading that.

To be honest Harjun, you should have stopped when we told you. I can see you in the future wasting all of your money on a computer and then overclocking it to death.

Just buy a better computer if you want a fast one - for pete sake.

[ajp71]

Originally Posted by Jakg

Please do NOT sand your heatsink, your crappy attmept at lapping WILL make things worse.

No you should use an angle grinder, it will get the job done quicker and guarantee to leave you a nice shiny surface.

[dropin_biking]

I don't say this too often but Harjun, you are a dumbass...seriously. Don't bother with the custom PC as you probably won't be able to get it together, and if you do, you will probably **** with the vcore and start melting stuff. Your better of just getting one of those pretty simple packages, something that will work, and is up to date, and don't bother overclocking it.
~Bryan~

[Töki (HUN)]

harjun - How much FPS do you have using this laptop? Single player and full grid (32)

[harjun]

Originally Posted by Töki (HUN)

harjun - How much FPS do you have using this laptop? Single player and full grid (32)

well Overclocked it does 50-55 fps...and not overclocked does about...20-30

but 2XAA and 2XAF it does 70 in full grid....and 40 not overclocked

[Jakg]

(FTR - a .4 GHz overclock won't double your FPS, i don't quite think Harjun's comparisons are acurate)

[JohnUK89]

It will on my 233MHz Pentium 1 with MMX! [/leet]

[harjun]

oh yeh....it does actuallly....FYI OMG ....AFK ATM

[JohnUK89]

Originally Posted by harjun

oh yeh....it does actuallly....FYI OMG ....AFK ATM

Proof?

[The General Lee]

Please don't tell me this is the same Laptop that everyone told you not to overclock then laughed at you when you did and lied about it?

Dear God...

Edit:

I don't really recommend overclocking for you, you are only about 13 and you don't know about your computer a lot

Whoahoho don't overclock your notebook, its going to end in disaster

Overclocking a laptop = No no

Just leave your poor notebook as is, I mean if you want to still have a notebook tomorrow

I STILL RECOMMEND YOU NOT DOING IT!

I really think this is a bad idea

Harjun, I honestly...Totally DO NOT RECOMMEND IT

Just, whatever you do. Don't come crying to us because we showed you how to blow up your computer

My advice is simple: DON'T BOTHER!

THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA!

PLEASE don't even try

you really should LEAVE YOUR PC alone

don't even attempt to overclock it

You are honestly the most stupid person ever

just don't respond to this idiot

it obviously isn't a good idea to overclock a laptop

but your an idiot

[SIZE=2]

[SIZE=2]Harjun.

You WILL break your laptop if you try to overclock the crap out of it like you are suggesting

But those people aren't twats like you

TBH I think he'll get similar results to his overclock attempt by simply hitting the laptop with a blunt object for several minutes

Just remember, if you break your laptop, don't come crying to me

I just wanted you to STFU.

Congratulations, but in the long run you are severly shortening the life of your laptop.

Jesus christ. Stop being an idiot. Stop trying to overclock your laptop

This is just a hand full. Don't say we didn't warn you...

[Origamiboy]

Just follow the advice in the thread and give up the ridiculous overclocking attempts. If you break your laptop you won't get to play LFS at ALL!

Also, what do you think the chances of getting a new desktop from your parents will be if you break the laptop you already have through pure stupidity?

[The Moose]

Originally Posted by harjun

well Overclocked it does 50-55 fps...and not overclocked does about...20-30

but 2XAA and 2XAF it does 70 in full grid....and 40 not overclocked

Proof please.....in game screenshots will do nicely.

I simply don't believe a word of it.

You would get on a lot better here if you didn't keep making stuff up.
Every time you've been asked for proof about something you haven't been able to provide it.
No one is going to bother wasting their time trying to help you if you carry on like this.

[dawesdust_12]

PLEASE!!@!

Go buy a Mac, you can't overclock those, and you'd haffto be a moron to fry one.

For the love of god, and our sanity, get a frikkin iMac, so then we don't haffto listen to your "zomg, OC iMac plz!" threads, because there's 1 answer. You can't, because there are no tools that work with the iMac's motherboard, nor is there a BIOS.

People, call me a Mac fanboy, I don't care, I'm just trying to save mine, and everyone elses sanity, from him asking inane questions about overclocking things that shouldn't be overclocked, it's just stupid Harjun, and you're a waste of time with this "OC MY LAPTOP" bullshit.

[Jakg]

Originally Posted by The General Lee

Please don't tell me this is the same Laptop that everyone told you not to overclock then laughed at you when you did and lied about it?

ROFL





Just to set some things straight here - on Harjun's laptop it's got an integrated graphics solution, which is holding his FPS back, so OC'ing the CPU will do nothing anyway.

I'm an overclock whore, i had a old Single Core AMD 3700 - 2.2 GHz. When i tweaked the memory (ie 40% overclock) and overclocked the CPU to 3.07 GHz (40% overclock on that, too) in SuperPi (A CPU benchmarking tool - it will show a CPU improvement far more noticeably than anything else will) and it went from 38 seconds at stock down to 27 when overclocked - that's a 40% improvement, which when you include the extra memory bandwidth and closing some extra processes.

Now Harjun overclocked by 25% and got a 75% FPS improvement. He also overclocked by 25% with no knowledge of dividers on crappy laptop RAM - my Corsair ValueRAM topped out at a 10% OC like most value ram, and as the FSB is linked to the CPU and the memory i had to set up a divider - yet he hasn't. I also had to up the vCore (even if by a little), however this is a mobile chip. Then i'm being told that this thing loads at 50°, which is odd as notebooks run notoriously hot, and i can't see overclocking helping.

I'm not buying it.

[Tweaker]

First off, Jakg I don't know what you are on, but taking off a heatsink and re-applying thermal paste is perfectly normal and 'ok'. All those 'bubbles' from the first pics are the grease from the first time he took it off.

Besides, even if it is a laptop, that is fine too. I normally replaced the grease on my old laptop every 3 months, and it would give me a 10-15C decrease in max temperature each time while gaming. But whatever he is doing with this heatsink... mehhhhh.

If done right, a smart person would take off the paste on both the heatsink and cpu contacts and make sure no residue is left over. Then reapply a small portion in the very middle and re-mount the heatsink. You only need a little bit, and the grease will spread when you re-mount the heatsink, AND the grease will spread when heat dissipates after a week or two of normal use. I am sure we all learned how glue spreads underneath paper when we were kids, yes?

To be honest, I would go through the steps of applying the new grease, and then run the computer at normal specs. Then once temps seem to be fairly good, try overclocking, or whatever it is that gets you soiled....

If the PC continues to get hot, don't consider a new heatsink, consider looking at your fan/case solution, and see if it is even getting ample cooling overall.