Need a programmer =]

[Rockstarenergydrink]

Hi, i neeed a money system but have no clue how to get it any help???

[BarretOocR]

Im from http://proracingroom.com we hold enduros & run 2 servers.
I would like to see Becky's programing skills into proracingroom i love her system.
Becky if you read this, please post on are forums http://proracingroom.com/forum/index.php we would really like some fun and more player to join in the fun.
I race mostly by my self waiting for people to join if there was an app they will come.

[the_angry_angel]

Rockstarenergydrink, you don't need one. You want one.

As I've said to the last 3 or 4 people now - produce a spec of what you want and it might get done. Asking for something then producing no documentation on what you want exactly is irrelevant for those of us who have never been on a "cruise" server.

BarretOocR, I suggest you search for Becky's response. The short answer is "no".

[Rockstarenergydrink]

i want one Like LTC the licence thing really makes it more realistic ^_^

[harjun]

Why make another one....there is already 2, 2 is enough

[DarkTimes]

Originally Posted by Rockstarenergydrink

i want one Like LTC the licence thing really makes it more realistic ^_^

As the_angry_angel was saying, you need to be very much more descriptive of what you are looking for, as remember most people have never set foot inside the LTC servers. You should make a post completely outlining everything you want the program to do, with as much detail as possible. Just saying lazily that you want a system like LTC is not going to inspire anyone to help you. You need to put a little bit more effort in yourself if you expect someone else to make a quite considerable amount of effort for you.

[Rockstarenergydrink]

I wnt it becuz im tired of those servers being full so i wanna host so im always in it ... + i can have lots of money =] .... lol well i dont know how to descrbe itt i mean i want it how they have it setup where u obviously drive around the track to get money ..... and 1 liscense point per lap .... what else is there to explain

[XCNuse]

So basically you just want someone to do all of the work for you for presonal gain.

Don't count on it happening. Plus, there are 3 CLC servers, and will soon be 3 LTC servers, that's 162 spots, It's hard to believe you can't find a place in 150 slots in the 5 current servers.

Don't be lazy, we all had to work to get where we are on those servers anyway.

(By the way, at LTC you get 1 point ever 4 miles, 1 lap at FE Black is 4.1 miles.)

[BarretOocR]

Dudes a simple no would be great, not all this crap here.
Im no noob!!! I do race in LTC servers its ok but that not what i want.
I want is a programer to get ahold of the prr admins, and we can work somthing out.
We teach people how to drive fast and clean but we can't be there at all times.
I need is a bot admin for are newbee server like lfs lapper but it has a few more tools like lag for one thats the biggest problem in X10 right now i say. map changer. car changer . sky . penilties .


What I would like to see really is, all mods in one there all usfull.
But the is my problem im not a programmer.
Please just visit are forums, we are a very active team DON'T be shy lol

[DarkTimes]

Sorry, maybe I'm just being really dumb, but I'm really struggling to understand what program you want someone to write for you...

[the_angry_angel]

Originally Posted by BarretOocR

Im no noob!!! I do race in LTC servers its ok but that not what i want.

If it's not what you want then why do you mention "LTC" servers? I don't care what "LTC" servers are?

Originally Posted by BarretOocR

I want is a programer to get ahold of the prr admins, and we can work somthing out.

PRR? No idea what you're on about there..

Originally Posted by BarretOocR

I need is a bot admin for are newbee server like lfs lapper but it has a few more tools like lag for one thats the biggest problem in X10 right now i say. map changer. car changer . sky . penilties .

This is not a spec.

Originally Posted by BarretOocR

What I would like to see really is, all mods in one there all usfull.
But the is my problem im not a programmer.
Please just visit are forums, we are a very active team DON'T be shy lol

May I suggest that I'm not a moron, much like you aren't a coder..?

I will repeat again, if you create a spec you are much more likely to get what you want, or at least some help in getting what you want. Unfortunately the several people who have request similar mods have not managed to get this through their heads;

* Saying you want a cruise clone is not good enough - many of us have not visited a cruise server
* Map changer? Do you mean track rotation?
* Car changer? Wtf? No idea unless you mean allowed cars rotation per track?
* Sky? Errr.. Do you mean weather?
* Who "owns" the code produced? You or the coder?

As a coder I am not going to guess. If you can't provide a simple specification then no one is going to bother. No one has said no. All we've asked for is a well thought out spec. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you can't provide that then you can quite frankly piss off as all we'll get are moans for our efforts (and I say this with experience).

[BarretOocR]

Come to my Team speak and i will tell you better with real life words, then my dumn @$$ grammer.

Im sorry.


Server:
Pro Racing Rooms TS Server
Server IP:
203.217.71.146:8767


LTC server is cool, but its not the kind of program I want thats all i typed sorry if you miss undersand me, i was only complentmenting LTC. its because i never finish school. Went to work,i do kick my self for quiting but i will never do it again. i love how things turned out. if you guys don't come to my team speak i will get my wife to edit ok there i said it. don't let that hang over my head please last post is really uncalled for don't you think small little sentence would have made me get the point.



p.s last post i typ, will get someone to edit it at all times.

[DarkTimes]

That's cool, man. But the thing you have to understand is that it's easy to come up with cool ideas for programs, it's easy to think on a large scale what you want. But when it actually comes to implementing it in the real world, then it becomes a hugely more complex matter.

Making programs is very complicated and takes a long time. Remember that making programs for LFS is not our job, we don't get paid to do it, we do it in our spare time because we love coding, we love LFS and we love the community.

We have all spent years learning our art, we have spent many frustrating nights sitting in front of a computer screen learning how to translate the ideas in our head into actual programs you can download and use.

When someone comes onto the forum and randomly asks for some program without putting any thought into what they are asking for or, as I suspect in your case, without thought into how you are asking for it, we find it a little bit frustrating.

As the_angry_angel says, no one has said they won't make a program for you, it's just that if one of us is going to spent a considerable amount of their free time over the next few weeks or months creating a program for you, then we need to know exactly what we are getting ourselves in to.

Please, if you are going to ask for a programmer to build a program for you on the forum, then be prepared to put in some effort in advance. Create a design document, think out exactly what your program will do, write it down and plan it on a piece of paper (you don't need to be technical about it, that's our job, but think what buttons it will have, what they do when you click them etc..). Then if you present a really good idea, in a well thought out way, someone will help you to build it.

/grouphug

[Anarchi-H]

Guys; have you considered that these peeps aren't coders or software analysts and might not know what a spec should contain?

@BarretOocR

To put an analogy on it, you are asking the equivalent of the following...

You walk in to a carpenters shop.
You: "I want you to build me a chair".
Carpenter: "What sort of chair?"
You: "A Chair to sit on"
Carpenter: "But what Sort of chair, I mean what should it look like?"
You: "Like my grandmas chair"
Carpenter: "I've never seen your grandmas chair. Whats it like?"
You: "Like a chair"
Carpenter: "..."

You get the idea.
I don't have the time personally to fulfil any requests outside of work, but here is some stuff you should go through when building up a basic spec.

Start off with a list of what you want it to do. You mentioned some things above.
Now take this list and elaborate on each one... for instance.

Penalites... What penalties? For each penalty consider

• What is the penalty to be called?
• What should be the punishment?
• What conditions would cause a driver to be penalised by this penalty?
• Are there any exemptions?

You continue like this through all of the things you want your program to do.
After this, you will have some measure of detail such that you could go to a programmer and say "I want this".

The programmer will either say there isn't enough detail or they will try assess the work, implementation and possible technical issues that might arise from the features you have requested.

Some things you want might not be within the limitations of the system so you might have to go back to your spec and adjust some stuff.

Try it; It isn't that difficult, and it doesn't matter even if your english isn't the best as long as you get the rough idea across.

[birder]

Programmers are a breed apart, some are helpful and other not. One thing is for sure without a spec you will never get far.

I wrote a full spec for what i wanted for our license system, sent this to the_angry_angel.

He looked at it, and as the spec was full, did the work and sent it back to me within 2 days and it workerd first time.

All i can say is write down what you want, make it very clear and concise and coders can do what you ask.

If your spec is only half thought out the program will fail so take your time and make sure you look at every option you want and what should happen when X Y and Z happens.

The other one thing i can say is never order a coder to do something as i have yet to find one who will obey an order, simply ask politly.

Also remember that coding takes X time and if the code is impossible it will take twice as long

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by birder

i have yet to find one who will obey an order, simply ask politly.

That pretty much goes for anyone, not just programmers (unless of course they program for the military). :|

And no, programmers aren't a breed a part, they, just like a engineers of any other stripe, prefer to be given a full set of requirements for a project to cut down on the number of interpretations that have to be made. It makes it far easier to design and then implement a project if you know precisely what the client wants.

[birder]

Originally Posted by Hollywood

That pretty much goes for anyone, not just programmers (unless of course they program for the military). :|

And no, programmers aren't a breed a part, they, just like a engineers of any other stripe, prefer to be given a full set of requirements for a project to cut down on the number of interpretations that have to be made. It makes it far easier to design and then implement a project if you know precisely what the client wants.

I agree 99%, but progammers are a breed apart as us normal folks just can't understand what they do and how they do it.

In the past i had a programmer work for my company and at one board meeting he told me what i was asking was impossible to do in a million years, but 10 minutes after the meeting he had done it.

As i say a breed apart, but in a nice way

[DarkTimes]

Originally Posted by birder

In the past i had a programmer work for my company and at one board meeting he told me what i was asking was impossible to do in a million years, but 10 minutes after the meeting he had done it.

Hehe, he was probably just covering his ass. That way if he can do, he looks like a great programmer. If he can't, well then he told you so.

[sdether]

Originally Posted by birder

In the past i had a programmer work for my company and at one board meeting he told me what i was asking was impossible to do in a million years, but 10 minutes after the meeting he had done it.

A corollary to that experience is that the best way to get something done is to tell the programmer that it's impossible.

Note, this motivator is not a substitute for a spec, in case anyone was thinking to use that statement in their next request on this board.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by birder

I agree 99%, but progammers are a breed apart as us normal folks just can't understand what they do and how they do it.

In the past i had a programmer work for my company and at one board meeting he told me what i was asking was impossible to do in a million years, but 10 minutes after the meeting he had done it.

Not really any different than any other engineer.

[birder]

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Not really any different than any other engineer.

Wrong again, an engineer would do it in 2 minutes......

[canardo]

I call it the moon on a stick effect

everyone has seen some piece of software do something cool, so they want it to do that and add some other stuff that must be easy because it has already been done.

The other great thing is wanting everything tomorrow, I am sure you tell people that feature will take a day this feature will take a day, and all they have heard is "day".

Guess the problem is somethings are easy to code around and its like any logic puzzle sometimes the solution comes easily, sometimes it takes ages to write what might only be 3 lines of code!!!