whats the difference between LFS and GTR2?

popeye120 · 24th June 2008, 06:13

Hello all, i love racing and I just brought GTR2 from ebay a few hours ago, because i was looking for the perfect simulation racer. Then I watched a video on youtube about LFS and was amazed. Long story short, i downloaded the LFS demo and been playing it with a mouse it was fun! Only negative is the cars model and interior doesnt look too nice.

Back to topic, whats the main difference between GTR2 and LFS?? I plan to get the G25 soon and will probably buy this game too. Is there a car list? is there honda s2000 ???

Thanks for reading my post all.

AndroidXP · 24th June 2008, 06:21

Unfortunately, there is no perfect racing simulation.

If you want real cars on real tracks, stick with GTR2.
If you want non-BS physics and pick-up racing, and don't necessarily care about real cars and especially real tracks, buy LFS S2.
If you want real cars on real tracks with good physics in a regulated environment and have a gold shitting donkey, buy iRacing.

A car and track list can be found here. Note that the only real cars in LFS are the MRT, RaceAbout, Formula BMW and the BMW Sauber F1.06.

So summa summarum, GTR2 simulates a real racing series, but has for all intents and purposes crap physics, whereas LFS doesn't simulate any specific series but only racing in general, and has a much more realistic tyre behavior. The decision is up to you.

Not Sure · 24th June 2008, 06:31

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators

AndroidXP · 24th June 2008, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Sure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators

Just on a general note, this is a nice overview of each simulator's feature lists, but unfortunately doesn't tell anything about sim quality. It doesn't help if you simulate 100 different car parts if the basis of any sim - the tyre simulation - sucks. It's also out of date; still valid in most points, though.

Hoshimodo · 24th June 2008, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndroidXP

Just on a general note, this is a nice overview of each simulator's feature lists, but unfortunately doesn't tell anything about sim quality. It doesn't help if you simulate 100 different car parts if the basis of any sim - the tyre simulation - sucks. It's also out of date; still valid in most points, though.

Yep, I absolutely agree with that point. Good tyre-physics are the nuts and bolts of any good sim and should have been mentioned in the overview. I play GTR2/rFactor every now and then but compared to LFS the ISI engined cars feel unpredictable (snap-oversteer etc...all the well known GMotor cutbacks) and dull.

AndroidXP · 24th June 2008, 08:47

Though it has to be said that this is not really the ISI engine's fault, but that almost nobody has any clue of what they're doing when creating/modifying the physics files, including the devs. Together with RealFeel Niels has demonstrated that it can actually be a good sim, up to a certain limit (which isn't as far away from the "elite sims" as you might believe).

Hoshimodo · 24th June 2008, 09:27

Ok, you're right Android....it wasn't my intention to generalize all ISI-based stuff. Niels' Corvette is actually a very smart and enjoyable mod. But as you said, the vast majority of modders doesn't use the full potential of the physic-engine.

Hyperactive · 24th June 2008, 10:03

Niels has defenately demonstrated that good stuff can be made with ISI physics engine but the sheer number of "good" cars in rf/GTR2 is really really low so far, making the experience some what frustrating when you have all those great tracks but less than handful of cars worth trying.

Dajmin · 24th June 2008, 11:25

Has anyone of the regulars or experts checked that Wiki entry to make sure LFS is as up-to-date as possible?
Surely the overheating clutch can count as Partial damage now, no?

KiRmelius · 24th June 2008, 11:43

a little bit offtopic

Look what i found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators - Note 6: Ice is only used for internal testing, not present in the official tracks yet. (about LFS)

popeye120 · 24th June 2008, 14:20

Thanks for the responds. I would like to ask in demo, how do i set the brake so that it doesnt lock up everytime i press it? im using mouse btw.

Another question how well can i run this and GTR2 with my system??

windows 2000pro
3800+ CPU
7900gt nvidia
2gig consair rams

Thanks again!

Dajmin · 24th June 2008, 14:30

Sounds like a similar system to mine so you should be able to run LFS no problem at full detail with all AA and AF on as well as the texture mods.

I'm pretty sure mine ran GTR2 pretty well too, but I can't remember too well. It's well above the minimum system though.

AndroidXP · 24th June 2008, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye120

Thanks for the responds. I would like to ask in demo, how do i set the brake so that it doesnt lock up everytime i press it? im using mouse btw.

Go into the garage screen, click on the "Brakes" button and reduce the max. brake force until the wheels no longer lock up under full braking. Here's a basic setup guide, btw.

Jakg · 24th June 2008, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiRmelius

Look what i found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators - Note 6: Ice is only used for internal testing, not present in the official tracks yet. (about LFS)

Theres been a thread on this, but no proof...

Forbin · 24th June 2008, 17:26

The idea that GTR2 (and other such games) have "real" cars on "real" tracks is a fallacy.

AndroidXP · 24th June 2008, 17:52

Of course are neither the car behaviour nor the tracks themselves modelled accurately enough to equalise them with the real thing. A lot of people however simply don't care about that and are happy enough if they can pretend to drive in a real GTR car on a real track.

And just look, a REAL RACING DRIVER™ said the physics are spot on, so they MUST be correct, don't you agree!?

Shotglass · 24th June 2008, 20:22

ill try to make this as simple as i possibly can

lfs:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ax_157x105.JPG
gtr:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_moher1.jpg

The Radness · 24th June 2008, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotglass

ill try to make this as simple as i possibly can

lfs:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ax_157x105.JPG
gtr:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_moher1.jpg

So Lfs is Jeremy Clarkson with an afro and GTR2 is a big body of water?

I get it

, one knows cars the other is pretty (and not very at that).

Shotglass · 24th June 2008, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Radness

I get it

'fraid not

HVS5b · 25th June 2008, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotglass

ill try to make this as simple as i possibly can

lfs:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ax_157x105.JPG
gtr:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_moher1.jpg

lfs - substance over style
gtr2 - style over substance

??

ssm · 30th July 2008, 06:29

GTR2 is completely horrible, I feel sorry for you that you paid for it. LFS is so much better.

dawguk · 30th July 2008, 08:23

Before I got LFS, I bought GTR2 about a year ago, and thought it was great. "This is realistic" I thought. However, after buying LFS, I realised that GTR2 feels much more like a "point and shoot" arcade racer. Seriously, the physics are all wrong, regardless of whether or not the cars look like Ferrari, or Lambourghini.

migf1 · 30th July 2008, 08:54

Actrually GTR2 is a good sim, as long as you have a G25 and spend some time (a lot) to correctly set it up. When it comes to sims I don't like to zero things.

GTR/GTR2 are two of the most awarded sims in the sim community and press. GTR2 also happened to be the most complete in terms of features (day/night, dynamic weather, variable racing line, many racing modes, motec telemetry, etc, etc). The physics suffer compared to LFS, that's for sure but it makes up in other areas. His major prob (besides the tyre model) is the poor online experience.

So I would say, if you like racing offline GTR2 is a rather good sim, if you want online racing then go with LFS.

Richie Cahill · 30th July 2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by migf1

Actrually GTR2 is a good sim, as long as you have a G25 and spend some time (a lot) to correctly set it up. When it comes to sims I don't like to zero things.

GTR/GTR2 are two of the most awarded sims in the sim community and press. GTR2 also happened to be the most complete in terms of features (day/night, dynamic weather, variable racing line, many racing modes, motec telemetry, etc, etc). The physics suffer compared to LFS, that's for sure but it makes up in other areas. His major prob (besides the tyre model) is the poor online experience.

So I would say, if you like racing offline GTR2 is a rather good sim, if you want online racing then go with LFS.

I agree, its a great game.. once you get the settings right.. if only we could merger LFS physics engine into all that content we be fricken laughing!

mrodgers · 30th July 2008, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotglass

ill try to make this as simple as i possibly can

lfs:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ax_157x105.JPG
gtr:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_moher1.jpg

Glad this was bumped, I didn't see this post the last time....

So, LFS is an arrogant arsehole and GTR is beautiful and pleasant and peaceful?

Stefani24 · 30th July 2008, 15:26

In LFS you really feel the reality
In GTR2 you just sit down and have (a little bit) fun.

ssm · 30th July 2008, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefani24

In LFS you really feel the reality
In GTR2 you just sit down and have (a little bit) fun.

I got really bored playing GTR2... To think that one of the editors for Top Gear magazine quit a game to play GTR2... wow... Bus Simulator must be boring as hell...

Richie Cahill · 31st July 2008, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssm

I got really bored playing GTR2... To think that one of the editors for Top Gear magazine quit a game to play GTR2... wow... Bus Simulator must be boring as hell...

rofl.. I found Bus sim to be good wholesome fun! lack of a driver view was a shot in the foot though

danthebangerboy · 2nd August 2008, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndroidXP

Note that the only real cars in LFS are the MRT, RaceAbout, Formula BMW and the BMW Sauber F1.06.

The RB4 is a toyota supra, the UF1 is a mini and i think the xrg is supposed to be and old shape nissan 200sx. I heard that the XFG is supposed to be a new shaped ford fiesta.

tristancliffe · 2nd August 2008, 12:52

No, they're not. They have some inspiration of a selection of real cars (though your utterly wrong about the XFG), but they are not meant to be real cars. The ones Android said are meant to be like the real thing.

24th June 2008, 06:13	#1 -
popeye120 Demo Racer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2	whats the difference between LFS and GTR2? Hello all, i love racing and I just brought GTR2 from ebay a few hours ago, because i was looking for the perfect simulation racer. Then I watched a video on youtube about LFS and was amazed. Long story short, i downloaded the LFS demo and been playing it with a mouse it was fun! Only negative is the cars model and interior doesnt look too nice. Back to topic, whats the main difference between GTR2 and LFS?? I plan to get the G25 soon and will probably buy this game too. Is there a car list? is there honda s2000 ??? Thanks for reading my post all.
popeye120 Demo Racer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2

24th June 2008, 06:21	#2 -
AndroidXP S2 licensed Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 8,567	Unfortunately, there is no perfect racing simulation. If you want real cars on real tracks, stick with GTR2. If you want non-BS physics and pick-up racing, and don't necessarily care about real cars and especially real tracks, buy LFS S2. If you want real cars on real tracks with good physics in a regulated environment and have a gold shitting donkey, buy iRacing. A car and track list can be found here. Note that the only real cars in LFS are the MRT, RaceAbout, Formula BMW and the BMW Sauber F1.06. So summa summarum, GTR2 simulates a real racing series, but has for all intents and purposes crap physics, whereas LFS doesn't simulate any specific series but only racing in general, and has a much more realistic tyre behavior. The decision is up to you. __________________ AndroidXP

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AndroidXP S2 licensed Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 8,567	Though it has to be said that this is not really the ISI engine's fault, but that almost nobody has any clue of what they're doing when creating/modifying the physics files, including the devs. Together with RealFeel Niels has demonstrated that it can actually be a good sim, up to a certain limit (which isn't as far away from the "elite sims" as you might believe). __________________ AndroidXP

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Hoshimodo S2 licensed Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Essen Posts: 280	Ok, you're right Android....it wasn't my intention to generalize all ISI-based stuff. Niels' Corvette is actually a very smart and enjoyable mod. But as you said, the vast majority of modders doesn't use the full potential of the physic-engine. __________________ Too sunny to race? Join geocaching.com My GSAK-Stats

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Dajmin S2 licensed Racername: Dajmin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,007	Has anyone of the regulars or experts checked that Wiki entry to make sure LFS is as up-to-date as possible? Surely the overheating clutch can count as Partial damage now, no? __________________ DAJMIN S2 LICENSED : June 06 My Blog: The Ranting Scotsman \| My Band: Albany Down

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Not Sure S2 licensed Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Espoo Posts: 639	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators

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Hyperactive S2 licensed Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suomi Posts: 5,525	Niels has defenately demonstrated that good stuff can be made with ISI physics engine but the sheer number of "good" cars in rf/GTR2 is really really low so far, making the experience some what frustrating when you have all those great tracks but less than handful of cars worth trying.

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KiRmelius S2 licensed Racername: KiRmelius Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ukmergė, Lith Posts: 179	a little bit offtopic Look what i found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ing_simulators - Note 6: Ice is only used for internal testing, not present in the official tracks yet. (about LFS)

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popeye120 Demo Racer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2	Thanks for the responds. I would like to ask in demo, how do i set the brake so that it doesnt lock up everytime i press it? im using mouse btw. Another question how well can i run this and GTR2 with my system?? windows 2000pro 3800+ CPU 7900gt nvidia 2gig consair rams Thanks again!
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Dajmin S2 licensed Racername: Dajmin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,007	Sounds like a similar system to mine so you should be able to run LFS no problem at full detail with all AA and AF on as well as the texture mods. I'm pretty sure mine ran GTR2 pretty well too, but I can't remember too well. It's well above the minimum system though. __________________ DAJMIN S2 LICENSED : June 06 My Blog: The Ranting Scotsman \| My Band: Albany Down

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Forbin S2 licensed Racername: CoRe.Forbin Join Date: May 2003 Location: Newark, NJ, USA Posts: 2,839	The idea that GTR2 (and other such games) have "real" cars on "real" tracks is a fallacy. __________________ D. Souders (CoRe.Forbin) Race bike: '06 SV650S CCS AM #412 "This is my sport and my first passion, ride the bike." --Valentino Rossi

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AndroidXP S2 licensed Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 8,567	Of course are neither the car behaviour nor the tracks themselves modelled accurately enough to equalise them with the real thing. A lot of people however simply don't care about that and are happy enough if they can pretend to drive in a real GTR car on a real track. And just look, a REAL RACING DRIVER™ said the physics are spot on, so they MUST be correct, don't you agree!? __________________ AndroidXP

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Shotglass S2 licensed Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8,753	ill try to make this as simple as i possibly can lfs: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ax_157x105.JPG gtr: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_moher1.jpg __________________ One day I was telling him that I thought that cars had replaced guns as phallic symbols for American men, and I thought it was interesting that he had one that was so small and fast. The next day he gave me the Datsun and went out and bought a Lincoln. It was very sweet.
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ssm Demo Racer Racername: RaindanceR Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 225	GTR2 is completely horrible, I feel sorry for you that you paid for it. LFS is so much better.

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dawguk S2 licensed Racername: Slowpoke Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 302	Before I got LFS, I bought GTR2 about a year ago, and thought it was great. "This is realistic" I thought. However, after buying LFS, I realised that GTR2 feels much more like a "point and shoot" arcade racer. Seriously, the physics are all wrong, regardless of whether or not the cars look like Ferrari, or Lambourghini.

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migf1 S2 licensed Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 306	Actrually GTR2 is a good sim, as long as you have a G25 and spend some time (a lot) to correctly set it up. When it comes to sims I don't like to zero things. GTR/GTR2 are two of the most awarded sims in the sim community and press. GTR2 also happened to be the most complete in terms of features (day/night, dynamic weather, variable racing line, many racing modes, motec telemetry, etc, etc). The physics suffer compared to LFS, that's for sure but it makes up in other areas. His major prob (besides the tyre model) is the poor online experience. So I would say, if you like racing offline GTR2 is a rather good sim, if you want online racing then go with LFS.
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tristancliffe S2 licensed Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 14,712	No, they're not. They have some inspiration of a selection of real cars (though your utterly wrong about the XFG), but they are not meant to be real cars. The ones Android said are meant to be like the real thing. __________________ F3, LFS, nKPro & rF Licenced Dallara398.com - GALLERY LFS World \| LFSWiki\| Master Skinnerz

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