What would the world be like in a 1,000,000 years?

[CSU1]

Originally Posted by tristancliffe

One of your links says Sag A is a quasar. Another says Sag A is the Black Hole. It justs shows that although a few people have a few theories about it, no one knows with anything approaching certainty what is there.

No, it's not obvious that there is something of huge mass. Obviously there is huge mass towards the middle, but nothing to say it's a single entity. Why can't it be lots of stars orbiting each other very very fast.

Why don't you like people calling everyone stupid? A lot of people ARE stupid, and the number of stupid people increases every year. To deny that 'the masses' are stupid would be to assume that everyone is clever and intelligent, something that any newspaper would dispel in seconds.

If it was obvious, why hadn't Black Holes been 'invented' 100 years ago? And why do a lot of respected scientists even deny their possible existence. Sure, a lot of it is caused by people not liking change, but even then there is less weight behind the concept of Black Holes than there should be in this day and age. Nothing is certain, and a BBC Learning Show has almost no authority on the subject. I don't claim to either, but I recognise that Black Holes are still mostly theoretical in nature. Who's to say the theory is wrong and there isn't a giant Christmas Cake in the center of the universe?

I bet you don't know what a black hole is?

[ZORER]

ok there's no black hole. and i won't beleive until someone brings it here and show me. now i'm a respectful man aren't i?

[Dajmin]

I was going to show you my black hole but I put it in my pocket this morning and it ate my trousers. Now I'm just wearing anti-matter

Oh yeah, 4 or 5 billion years is a bit longer than 12k. But it's all the same to me

[Gentlefoot]

Originally Posted by ZORER

Do you mean black hole?

every galaxy has a black hole at the very center of them. And those blackholes eat their galaxies.A time will come that our blackhole will eat all the milkyway. but that's far far far than a million year.

And yes, noone would survive that unless moving to another universe.



i luv discovery chnl.

I didn't mean black holes no. However, at the centre of a black hole there is also a singularity. Maybe the centre of black holes contain unborn universes - who knows

[CSU1]

Ok then here's one for the 'masses':The Universe is a giant atom.
Because Homer Simpson was there, he tod me

[Gentlefoot]

The best question of all: If the universe is a descriptive word for 'everything' and it is expanding, what is it expanding into?

[CSU1]

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

The best question of all: If the universe is a descriptive word for 'everything' and it is expanding, what is it expanding into?

Erm! matter, maybe

[Gentlefoot]

Originally Posted by CSU1

Erm! matter, maybe

But all matter is part of the universe.

It reminds me of that 'The Universe is just a giant Turtle' thing. Let's say the universe is a giant turtle. If so, what is the giant turtle standing on? Another turtle maybe? OK so what is that turtle standing on? This touches on the concept of inifinity and the question I was asking. i.e. What is the universe expanding into?

[CSU1]

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

But all matter is part of the universe.

Yep, and so are doughnuts, but thats another story.
I bet that this Universe is like Orions Belt in M.I.B, and we all are playthings for a higher entity

[ZORER]

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

I was asking. i.e. What is the universe expanding into?

Hmm, it'd keep expanding until it is so big that even light will not be able to reach from one point to another point.So can we call it an absolute "nothing"

Or maybe expand and swallow other universes around. A universe containing other universes. Call it "master of the universes" ?

Or will it slow down instead of speeding up it's expansion and stop and start shrinking to another big bang?



Add : http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsl...mparisons.html

[CSU1]

: ok this is going waaaay too far, its big very bloody big, how big,where it ends, where it stops NOONE knows not even todays most funky scientests! so today,here on http:\\www.lfsforums.net we aint gonna come to a conclusion because of tristancliffs masses'

[Hankstar]

The universe is merely the physical plane of existence of a pan-dimensional super being that some would call god. We, collectively, are individualisms of the consciousness of this being - a result of its need to experience everything it possibly can in the physical world before the bodies expire and the individualisms return to the natural state of existence of all living things, which is as a single consciousness comprising all that is and also isn't. Our bodies are vessels that we inhabit as we remember, through our physical lifetimes, how to make a connection with the single consciousness that we, in fact, are. Beings of light we are! Not this...crude matter


As for a million years from now, well...if this species hasn't exterminated itself we may well have already achieved the crucial paradigm shift from animal motivations & instincts: "destroy enemies, make offspring, consume" to purer, simpler thoughts worthy of a higher life-form: "be, learn, grow, search, do no harm" and could be doing very well for ourselves. Or maybe we'll all be ninja space robots with jetpacks and badass lasers and shit and cruise around vaping space aliens

[Gentlefoot]

Originally Posted by ZORER

Hmm, it'd keep expanding until it is so big that even light will not be able to reach from one point to another point.So can we call it an absolute "nothing"

Or maybe expand and swallow other universes around. A universe containing other universes. Call it "master of the universes" ?

Or will it slow down instead of speeding up it's expansion and stop and start shrinking to another big bang?



Add : http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsl...mparisons.html

...but as we understand it the universe contains all matter yes? So if there is no matter outside the universe what is it expanding into? And even if the expansion slowed down, it's still expanding right now right? So I ask again, into what? Nothing right? So nothing must be something!

You see the problem.

I nearly went mad thinking about this stuff about 4 years ago. If you're like me and you have to understand WHY things are the way they are then you'd be wise to avoid this topic areas altogether.

[ZORER]

i understand what you say Gentlefoot.

and you'r right Csu.


Maybe after 1.000.000 years, we'll be clever enough to understand what's in and beyond the universe.

[tristancliffe]

Originally Posted by CSU1

I bet you don't know what a black hole is?

I'm willing to bet I have as good an idea as most, if not all, people here. Unless we have a very talented, famous theoretical physisist in our ranks it's doubtful we'll get any more accurate.

The next question is do YOU know what a black hole is?

You are welcome to believe there is a black hole at the centre of every galaxy, but I can't do that until there is conclusive proof that black holes exist in the first place. Whilst it's likely they exist, the proof (or rather lack of dis-proof) isn't conclusive. Our understanding of such things is rather poor. WE can just about theorise about event horizon's, but as black holes do not 'obey' classical physics, and we have no idea what gravity is or how it effects other things, then describing behaviour it becomes a bit of a guessing game.

[CSU1]

Originally Posted by ZORER

i understand what you say Gentlefoot.

and you'r right Csu.


Maybe after 1.000.000 years, we'll be clever enough to understand what's in and beyond the universe.

I know I am.

btw: you do know that your post reads after one year we will be clever enough too understand the Universe

@ Tristan; yeah! it's all bullshit really if you think about it as much as Gentlefoot has
Dont worry next year Zorer will be able to tell us Tristan

[tristancliffe]

No it doesn't. A lot of countries use . where we use ,, so 1.000.000 is a million. If you are going to be part of the internet culture you'll have to learn things like this

[ZORER]

2 hours later i'll be getting drunk

[Dajmin]

CSU1's definitive guide to the universe:

Originally Posted by CSU1

its very bloody big

Case closed

[Gentlefoot]

Originally Posted by tristancliffe

I'm willing to bet I have as good an idea as most, if not all, people here. Unless we have a very talented, famous theoretical physisist in our ranks it's doubtful we'll get any more accurate.

The next question is do YOU know what a black hole is?

You are welcome to believe there is a black hole at the centre of every galaxy, but I can't do that until there is conclusive proof that black holes exist in the first place. Whilst it's likely they exist, the proof (or rather lack of dis-proof) isn't conclusive. Our understanding of such things is rather poor. WE can just about theorise about event horizon's, but as black holes do not 'obey' classical physics, and we have no idea what gravity is or how it effects other things, then describing behaviour it becomes a bit of a guessing game.

Unfortunately if our theories about black holes are correct. i.e. they are so dense that not even light can escape their gravitational pull, we can never prove their existence because of the uncertainty principle. This principle states that objects in the universe behave differently when in contact with photons. As we need photons to be able to examine things (cos we cannot see them without) we can never observe a black hole and therefore never prove their existence.

A bit like not knowing if the fridge light goes off when we shut the door lol

[CSU1]

Originally Posted by tristancliffe

No it doesn't. A lot of countries use . where we use ,, so 1.000.000 is a million. If you are going to be part of the internet culture you'll have to learn things like this

GGGGGoddamn it, I've faild once again at being a smartass

[mantis9]

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

A bit like not knowing if the fridge light goes off when we shut the door lol

Ah but I can confirm that it does! How do I know? I got in a fridge and shut the door I had a very trustworthy friend outside to open it for me.
Also, you are assuming we never find a way of observing something without using photons

A more important question for me is, why should we care what the world will be like in 1,000,000 years time?

[tristancliffe]

I too have answered the fridge light question, only I was confident of being able to open it from the inside myself, so didn't require a friend.

I've attempted the same thing with boot lights in cars, but did require a friend for that one.

I'm hoping next year to answer the 'if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise' question. Not sure quite how yet, but suggestions would be nice. As a warm up I'm going to answer the (slightly related) question of 'do bears shit in woods', one I'm confident of being able to answer definitively.

[the_angry_angel]

Originally Posted by tristancliffe

I too have answered the fridge light question, only I was confident of being able to open it from the inside myself, so didn't require a friend.

I've attempted the same thing with boot lights in cars, but did require a friend for that one.

I'm hoping next year to answer the 'if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise' question. Not sure quite how yet, but suggestions would be nice. As a warm up I'm going to answer the (slightly related) question of 'do bears shit in woods', one I'm confident of being able to answer definitively.

You sir, are a learned man!

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

i.e. they are so dense that not even light can escape their gravitational pull, we can never prove their existence because of the uncertainty principle.

Outside of the event horizon is very different though. Around and on the edge of this things can become exceedingly bumpy, causing matter to appear to eject along the axis of the black hole itself. By monitoring this, does it not imply that blackholes, or something that behaves similarly to a blackhole, exists?

[mantis9]

Originally Posted by tristancliffe

I too have answered the fridge light question, only I was confident of being able to open it from the inside myself, so didn't require a friend.

I've attempted the same thing with boot lights in cars, but did require a friend for that one.

I'm hoping next year to answer the 'if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise' question. Not sure quite how yet, but suggestions would be nice. As a warm up I'm going to answer the (slightly related) question of 'do bears shit in woods', one I'm confident of being able to answer definitively.

Good work that man! My cousin in the US reliably informs me that next summer he is going to answer the age old question 'how much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?' some kind of training scheme is involved apparently.

[Shotglass]

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

To answer that question I think we need to know whether the universe is expanding or contracting, and the rate of the expansion/contraction.

whatever it is its not enough to be of any significance in a mere million years

Originally Posted by Gentlefoot

Usually in Mathematics, if you come up with the answer Infinity, it means you've made a mistake somewhere.

im quoting one of my tutors here
"4000 is infinite"

[JJ72]

I think, we will have S3.

[tristancliffe]

Originally Posted by mantis9

Good work that man! My cousin in the US reliably informs me that next summer he is going to answer the age old question 'how much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?' some kind of training scheme is involved apparently.

A very important question that, so I look forward to hearing the result. I'm sticking with 23, but I'm not going to hold myself to a particular unit.

[LFSn00b]

Scawen is then 1,000,035 years old and finishes S1000.

[Aquilifer]

About how life ends...

After billions of years Sun expands to become red giant and swallows the inner planets. Maybe Earth too, but even if not at least it would make things pretty hot here melting and burning most of the stuff (Venus phenomenon in a grander scale). In the death Sun will become white dwarf. Little larger stars become neutron stars (c. 11-50 solar masses) and even more massive black holes (>50 solar masses).

Sun has about half of it's 10 billion years estimated life time left (as G2V class star). Larger stars are brighter but live shorter life and dying in more violent way. For example a small M class cool dwarf star could have 1 trillion years life time. So in this universum has never such star died yet. But a hot O class star can have less than 3 million years life time. One of the reasons scientists do not look for intelligent life around such stars (they are too hot anyway and some of them would radiate all life with X-rays).

It is not proved (I think) that every galaxy core has a black hole. Mostly because there are far too many to inspect and we cannot see them all. It is just an assumption that at least the larger ones have. It is not even easy to see well into a core of a galaxy (even Milky way).

There is dark matter which accumulates in the movement of the galaxies. This is the explanation to the fact that all the visible matter couldn't spin the stars so fast around a galaxy core. Then there is that dark energy which speeds up the expansion of the space. That is, the expansion is not slowing down or not that it would be even constant - it is getting faster. So there is really no evidence that space would ever collapse back in a 'big crunch' or such.

So after trillions and trillions years all stars die out, becoming white dwarfs, neutron stars or black holes. Those (except the black holes) still radiate the energy from the hot remaining core, but eventually they will cool down and blend into the blackness of the space. There are some theories that black holes radiate some energy out so they might slowly 'evaporize' too like the all the neutrons and protons (which do have a very long life time - estimated >3e32a) which by evaporizing remove the died star cores. Eventually space becomes just a vast cold, lightless and empty space.

So a pretty nasty future? Hopefully humans, if they still live after so long time, have found a way into a parallel universum (there are theories about multiple parallel universums). The bad thing is that Scawen might need to recode part of LFS as that universum might have different physics.

That's how I understand it. But in 1 million years Earth should be fine as long as humans haven't destroyed it (by turning it into a Venus like environment or nuclear winter), we are not struck by a comet, sucked by a loose black hole or conquered by aliens. Actually in space or even geographically 1 million years is not so long.