Quote from BlueFlame :

Well in Senna days (pre 94) they had pitstops, still didn't stop on-track action did it? Instead of promoting 'racing' just promote the sport, no stupid variables like this two compound tire rule.

Well, firstly pre-'94 there were no forced pitstops (i.e. no dual compound nonsense to 'spice up' the races). Secondly, it did spoil the racing to an extent, though not as much as the refuelling addition, because lugging lots of fuel around or, conversely, stopping for quick top-ups, added 'strategy'.

I'd be quite happy with allowing pitstops for tyres if they needed or wanted them, but I'd like that in conjuction with a tyre that could go the distance as well.

What F1 shouldn't be about is artificiality*, so forced pitstops, forced compound changes or 'push-to-pass' should never be allowed. KERS is okay, to a point, because it's optional and gives massive downsides too. When everyone has it it'll be boring and pointless. It's not even 'green'.

*Alan [intrepid] would probably say it already is artificial, but this is most likely because he, or anyone he's ever "mentored" never got out of go-karts, but has a deep down desire to get on the ladder to F1 and is therefore bitter.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Well, firstly pre-'94 there were no forced pitstops (i.e. no dual compound nonsense to 'spice up' the races). Secondly, it did spoil the racing to an extent, though not as much as the refuelling addition, because lugging lots of fuel around or, conversely, stopping for quick top-ups, added 'strategy'.

I'd be quite happy with allowing pitstops for tyres if they needed or wanted them, but I'd like that in conjuction with a tyre that could go the distance as well.

What F1 shouldn't be about is artificiality*, so forced pitstops, forced compound changes or 'push-to-pass' should never be allowed. KERS is okay, to a point, because it's optional and gives massive downsides too. When everyone has it it'll be boring and pointless. It's not even 'green'.

*Alan [intrepid] would probably say it already is artificial, but this is most likely because he, or anyone he's ever "mentored" never got out of go-karts, but has a deep down desire to get on the ladder to F1 and is therefore bitter.

I'd like to see 1 refuel stop per race, you could so a splash at the start of the race to get a good start and refuel later on, you could split the distance and go for consistancy or splash and dash at the end.

But then you get fast cars who stop early stuck behind slower cars yet to pit, and they just sit there waiting for the pitstops. Refuelling is bad for F1. It's not safe, it's not exciting, and it doesn't 'spice up' the racing. And it doesn't even appear to be 'green' because it gives the impression the cars drink fuel - not stopping for a refill might give the impression the cars are more economical.
And indeed, the manufacturers would strive towards efficiency even more, because they want to shave off every kilogram of fuel they'd have to carry.

Win, win, win.

Quote from tristancliffe :

But then you get fast cars who stop early stuck behind slower cars yet to pit, and they just sit there waiting for the pitstops. Refuelling is bad for F1. It's not safe, it's not exciting, and it doesn't 'spice up' the racing. And it doesn't even appear to be 'green' because it gives the impression the cars drink fuel - not stopping for a refill might give the impression the cars are more economical.
And indeed, the manufacturers would strive towards efficiency even more, because they want to shave off every kilogram of fuel they'd have to carry.

Win, win, win.

you definately got a point there.

Quote from tristancliffe :

1. Then drop the silly 'use both compounds' rule.
2. What has Indy '05 got to do with this? Again, you show how little you recall of the event.
3. Exactly. At the moment (and for quite some time) overtaking has been difficult because of the aero. However, rather than try to overtake against the odds, they are happy to sit and wait for their stops. After all the pitstops are done we generally see a bit more overtaking as the drivers can no longer rely on waiting (though of course this isn't always the case, as they may 'settle for position').

Remove mandatory pitstops, provide a tyre that can cope with a race distance (perfectly possible - humans can make tyres that last for hundreds of thousands of miles, so why should 200 miles be difficult), and at least get the drivers in the frame of mind that encourages overtaking.

Amen to that !!

Let the cars go through the transition of being over heavy on good rubber to light on cooked rubber and everything in between and we'll see who the true drivers, (and chasis dev engineers), really are !!

To drive a performance car through a wide range of handling responses such as would be the case in a non-stop race takes the highest level of driving skill. That's always been a part of reason why there have always been drivers that are "qualy" specialists that never deliver the goods over race distance. Take away the pit stops and you'll be moving even further away from the situation of having a series of short sprints with an "ideal" car, which in all honesty doesn't really prove much with regards to driving ability IMO.

I think the two main things that need to be change are:

1.Compund rules abolished.
2.Control tyre rule abolished.

1. With 1 gone its possible under 2010 rules to not do a single pit stop, however the compounds allowable in the race is another issue.
2. With this rule gone it may help tyre endurance development. As Ihave a feeling the tyes development has slowed compared to recent years with Michelin.

Quote from Mustafur :

I have a feeling the tyes development has slowed compared to recent years with Michelin.

Nah, you think?

Quote from gezmoor :

Amen to that !!

Let the cars go through the transition of being over heavy on good rubber to light on cooked rubber and everything in between and we'll see who the true drivers, (and chasis dev engineers), really are !!

To drive a performance car through a wide range of handling responses such as would be the case in a non-stop race takes the highest level of driving skill. That's always been a part of reason why there have always been drivers that are "qualy" specialists that never deliver the goods over race distance. Take away the pit stops and you'll be moving even further away from the situation of having a series of short sprints with an "ideal" car, which in all honesty doesn't really prove much with regards to driving ability IMO.

And then we can perhaps see a return of incredible charges through the field as drivers who are struggling suddenly have their tyres come to them.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77736

Better news.

did u really think that fia would not let alonso race in spain?

i bet as soon as that news that renault were banned for valencia.. ticket saales probably froze and sold 0. now that they are able to race and alonso race, they will probably start selling tickets again

Quote from BreadC :

did u really think that fia would not let alonso race in spain?

i bet as soon as that news that renault were banned for valencia.. ticket saales probably froze and sold 0. now that they are able to race and alonso race, they will probably start selling tickets again

There was no tickets left after 2 hours since Schumacher announced comeback.

Quote from TexasLTU :

There was no tickets left after 2 hours since Schumacher announced comeback.

There must've been quite a bit for sale on ebay when he announced he wouldn't race after all. :P

Perhaps the Schumacher comeback was announced to boost ticket sales for the GP after it became aparrent that they wouldn't sell if there was no Alonso.

Its a conspiracy!

Quote from 5haz :

Perhaps the Schumacher comeback was announced to boost ticket sales for the GP after it became aparrent that they wouldn't sell if there was no Alonso.

Its a conspiracy!

<tinfoil>I think you're spot on there.... </tinfoil>

Quote from 5haz :

Perhaps the Schumacher comeback was announced to boost ticket sales for the GP after it became aparrent that they wouldn't sell if there was no Alonso.

Its a conspiracy!

Maybe, but who KERS

The poor mugs that bought a ticket for such a shit GP.

Bernie is seriously stupid to think this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090817142632.shtml

under those rules, Button can't lose the championship.

I mean a WDC should favour the drivers who have been up there all year not one half of the season then die out.

Quote from Mustafur :

Bernie is seriously stupid to think this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090817142632.shtml

under those rules, Button can't lose the championship.

I mean a WDC should favour the drivers who have been up there all year not one half of the season then die out.

Points have been points since the beginning of F1, and they should stay that way. I think it was better when it was only 9 points for a victory.

Quote from Mustafur :

Bernie is seriously stupid to think this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090817142632.shtml

under those rules, Button can't lose the championship.

I mean a WDC should favour the drivers who have been up there all year not one half of the season then die out.

didn't Bernie said something distinctly different after seeing Button winning 5 out of the first 6 (or was it 6 out of the first 7) grand prix~?

well but if he didn't, he surely wouldn't hv said what he said now at that point of time~

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The world considers Bernie 'stupid'

Fixed the headline for them.

I think the current point system is the best F1 has had so far.

It rewards drivers who are not in good teams but get a half decent result, and it has provided 3 last race show downs in a row.

Quote from Mustafur :

I think the current point system is the best F1 has had so far.

It rewards drivers who are not in good teams but get a half decent result, and it has provided 3 last race show downs in a row.

Quote from Mustafur :

18th March 2009, 09:10

imo this will be good, lucky they still have points for all drivers but with the top ones competing for wins, meaning they dont give two shits about points unless they know there not going to win the title meaning they are going to go all out for the win even if it means retirement. awesome imo.

I lol at the people who have no idea about f1 or even read what is happening here, most people hee are crying about the fact its a Title chasers championship but the rest are left out, DON'T WORRY POINTS FOR ALL!!

Au contraire, mon ami - we lol at you.

Quote from dawguk :

Au contraire, mon ami - we lol at you.

I changed my opinion is that so hard to digest?

and it more or less was thinking how 2008 was, where basically quite a few of the teams could mount a race winning car by the end of the season, and even though last season was pretty tight the racing was as dull as watching paint dry, luckily there was plenty of wet Grand Prix's.

How you managed to get that is more of a question.

I like the look of these new Cost reduction rules: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090818144328.shtml

Unlike max's delete half your team so you can race next year Rule.

These rules atcually give the manufactuers time to do so.

If we are using the medal system, Button would probably be champion by now.