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Geforcy
10th May 2006, 11:49
For the simracers... Its the biggest game expo in the world (Gamers know that :razz:)

When we will see LFS on this Expo? Or was it a bad idea from me? Good promotion from the press and the biggest game publisher will be suprised by a game which is made by three people and not millions of budget...

www.e3expo.com
axus
10th May 2006, 11:50
:thumb: Would be nice to see LFS there. :)
GeForz
10th May 2006, 11:52
i doubt the "press budget" is big enough ;)
Tweaker
10th May 2006, 11:55
The only familiar group I could see in the list 10tacle for GTR. They have a new game coming out (GTR2), so it is obvious they would be there... since the expo is usually for new and unreleased games.
Blackout
10th May 2006, 12:07
Maybe LFS is there when S3 is about to come out.
Tweaker
10th May 2006, 12:32
I'd like for that to happen. And since it is in Los Angeles, a trip to LA isnt far for me. Would be nice if I could try and help the devs display it :) Maybe a few Force Dynamics simulators, and stuff... rock on :D
JJ72
10th May 2006, 12:38
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"
Hatemaker
10th May 2006, 13:34
Hopefully this banner will include better english?
GP4Flo
10th May 2006, 14:26
It's more likely they will be blown away by GTR 2 in the 301. :nod:
Drakkula
10th May 2006, 16:18
what do the Devs have to say about this??? =]

Anyway, I dont believe LFS is "pop" enough to be at E3, which is quite good:nod:
GP4Flo
10th May 2006, 17:10
It's not a question if LFS is "pop" enough to be at the E3. It's just a question of the marketing budget. Companys like Simbin/EA spend huge amounts of money for marketing and can afford to buy a 301. The LFS devs on the opposite concentrate on the core development of the game which is the right decision for a team of only 3 people.
steve30x
10th May 2006, 18:06
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"

WOA another bloody freak that thinks that there is a difference between a sim and a game. (IMHO THEYRE the same thing)
DownShift
10th May 2006, 18:20
yeah steve your right man they need to let up on this "it's more than a game" thing becus it's not more than a game. but it is the damn best racer i've ever played :D
steve30x
11th May 2006, 09:33
yeah steve your right man they need to let up on this "it's more than a game" thing becus it's not more than a game. but it is the damn best racer i've ever played :D

I agree with you 100%. This is the best ive played and i have been playing LFS with almow#st 2 years. Any other game i have ever played i usualy get bored of it after a week or 2 but not LFS.:thumb:
JJ72
11th May 2006, 11:37
WOA another bloody freak that thinks that there is a difference between a sim and a game. (IMHO THEYRE the same thing)

How is this relevant to sim/game generalization. :shrug:
steve30x
11th May 2006, 12:07
Originally Posted by JJ72
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"

This says to me that you make a reference to Need For Speed which is an arcade game. So theres your reference.
tristancliffe
11th May 2006, 12:08
So are you saying NFS and LFS are somehow on equal ground?
steve30x
11th May 2006, 12:17
Im not saying that. Im saying that both are GAMES.
tristancliffe
11th May 2006, 12:20
But one is a game pre and simple, and the other is a simulation game ;)
shim
11th May 2006, 12:27
but NFS and LFS are on equal ground..

LFS top SIM..

NFS top ARCADE..

both are at the top of their respected lists.. :P
steve30x
11th May 2006, 12:27
that is very true tristan.
JJ72
11th May 2006, 13:38
Originally Posted by JJ72
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"

This says to me that you make a reference to Need For Speed which is an arcade game. So theres your reference.

I am just making a joke on the similarity of their names and the fact that commerical games like NFS is hugely popular in game shows like E3.

Funny it's you who say there's nothing as "simulation" or "Arcade" but now you say I "make a reference to Need For Speed which is an arcade game". So if yourself doesn't bear that reference how come you will see such reference? I don't think verbally I have hinted anything about "arcade".
steve30x
11th May 2006, 14:03
Now you are making absolutely no sense. I never said you made NFS as a reference to an arcade game. I said that NFS is an arcade GAME. I am pointing out that theyre all GAMES which are PLAYED ON A COMPUTER.
ORION
11th May 2006, 15:31
LFS is a good game with realistic physics, NFS is a bad game with arcade physics. Easy as that :D

btw, "Arcade" games are another story ;)
JJ72
11th May 2006, 15:56
I am totally lost, I never object that LFS and NFS are both games that are played on computers.

you point being?
RichardTowler
11th May 2006, 16:43
your all ****ing nuts
axus
11th May 2006, 16:55
your all ****ing nuts
:nod:
peejayh
11th May 2006, 18:09
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"

Sorry, you've lost me. What are you saying?
rabidmaddog
11th May 2006, 18:11
WOA another bloody freak that thinks that there is a difference between a sim and a game. (IMHO THEYRE the same thing)

I think the distinction should really be "race simulator vs. arcade style racer". It's just a matter of which game places more emphasis on realism and accuracy in the physics in my opinion. They are both games for sure, but they are far from the same.
Fordman
11th May 2006, 23:01
Maybe Next Year :D
SamH
12th May 2006, 00:00
We need to setup a banner saying:

"THIS AIN'T GO NEED FOR SPEED AND WE GOT NO NOS AND NO NEON"
:thumb:

I, for one, understand the sentiment and agree with it. It's not an arcade game. That's what I take from your message, and I totally agree.

Whether or not it's a game at all is a different subject. Obviously it is. It just happens to depend on realism over the extra/excessive gimmicky stuff. It attracts people who are looking for simulated realism over bling.

I don't think you need landing on from a great height for saying what you said. It made me smile :)
sdether
15th May 2006, 16:36
Just got back from E3. If LFS was used anywhere on the floor, I couldn't find it. It was a very sparse event for racing, overall.

There was a giant poster from Intel with the BMW Sauber F1 car in one of the halls advertising racing simulations in their booth. That poster had the rFactor logo on it. I checked out the booth and they were running the rFactor F1 mod on VRX racing chairs with the DFP. Don't know if the wheel wasn't working right, but it felt sloppy.

Logitech had two openwheel racers outfitted with the new Logitech G25 wheel and shifter and running triple LCDs using the Matrox triplehead2go. That display system was beautiful. I stood in line for the racing and it was ok. Also running rFactor, but just stock using cars with logitech skins.

GTR was not on the main floor. There was a big screen running a video for Xbox 360 GTR in the THQ booth, but no presence. Simbin was doing closed door demos of GTR2 in the 10tacle booth downstairs in Kentia. I had the opportunity to attend one of the demos and it looked good. No idea how it feels, but they did say that they received a lot of feedback that GT Legends was too arcady, so GTR2 supposedly has a strong sim focus again, but offeres racing school to make it accessible for non-racers.

Also in Kentia, VRX had another one of their chairs running GTR.

GT5 was shown at the Sony booth in 1080p (not 1080i, but p!). It was basically photo realistic. Gorgeous.. Nordschleife even had all the grafitti on the road that you see in videos. But without a wheel, i can't pass judgement on it. It was also marked as 20% into development.

Finally, MS announced Forza 2, but if they had anything at all, it was behind closed doors and I was unable to get at it.

I'll have a couple of pics later on, once i get settled back into things.

The rest were arcade things like Test Drive Unlimited (which was fun, but not a sim in any respect), Flat out 2 and some others.
SamH
15th May 2006, 18:20
Great update! Thanks sdether!

While I can't pretend that the absence of LFS is disappointing, it is perhaps inevitable. LFS isn't eye-candy like some other sims we could mention. If you have a simulator on your stand, you have one guy driving and 100 people watching. Do you have 1 guy thinking "OMFG the physics are sooo real" to himself while 100 others stand and admire his driving, or do you have 1 guy thinking "OMFG where are the physics!?" while the other 100 stand and say "ooh.. that looks soo cool.. it's just like a cartoon!"

No, I'm not slamming rF. I can understand that the eye-candy is more appealing to the marketing people, if they needed a driving simulator application to show off their hardware. It's disappointing that the opportunity was lost at E3 for some LFS exposure to the masses, but not surprising. I prefer the LFS development priorities :)

And hey.. at least we GET TO USE the results of the last 6 months of graft that the devs have been doing.. more than can be said for the rFactor fans who are still waiting for patches to their software.

[EDIT] Okay the last bit was a dig at rFactor. I was shocked to read that while the rF customers have been waiting for patches and improvements from ISI, it NOW transpires that ISI's been off doing other things. I pity the rF customers, and I'm patting myself on the back for a good shout, when I spent my "pocketmoney" on a new DFP to go with LFS instead of buying a copy of rFactor :)
AdamW
15th May 2006, 21:10
sdether: the 'ring in GT4 has all the graffiti too. It's handy, I use a given bit of graffiti as a braking point for a lot of corners. :)
sdether
15th May 2006, 22:52
AdamW: Ah, never played much GT4, since i don't have a PS2. I guess all i can say is that this one looked like a movie of a car racing on the ring. It was impressive looking.
wheel4hummer
16th May 2006, 00:39
LFS needs physics accelerator support. Imagine the physics then!
XCNuse
16th May 2006, 00:46
omg drop it..
this is about E3 you tards.. not NFS vs LFS
RevMonkey
16th May 2006, 21:51
GT5 was shown at the Sony booth in 1080p (not 1080i, but p!). It was basically photo realistic. Gorgeous.. Nordschleife even had all the grafitti on the road that you see in videos. But without a wheel, i can't pass judgement on it. It was also marked as 20% into development.


you sure about that? after all... http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/2006/05/16/11622.aspx
AdamW
17th May 2006, 04:08
They've had the PS3 devkits out for months now. You don't need the final media to work on the games - especially since the special GT product they made for E3 isn't really GT5, it's more GT4 hi-res, so there's probably not that much data to it.
sdether
17th May 2006, 14:13
Ok.. Finally the pics i promised (looks like i can't embed the images in the post):

The Intel Ad
Small version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/tn_sauberf1.jpg)
Large version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/sauberf1.jpg)

The VRX chair used in the Intel booth w/ rFactor F1
Small version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/tn_vrxf1.jpg)
Large version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/vrxf1.jpg)

The Logitech triplehead2go setup
small version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/tn_logitech.jpg)
Large version (http://www.fullmotionracing.com/e3/logitech.jpg)