Round 1 Discussion

[Mustangman759]

The track will be SO5

Dates:
Qualifying Day: January 7th 16:30 UTC
Superpole: January 7th 17:00 UTC
Race: January 14th 17:00 UTC

This race will be 3 hours.

Discuss!
Qualifying Replays: http://gt3tcc.500servers.net/R1QGT312
Race Replay: http://gt3tcc.500servers.net/GT3R1Race2012.zip

[Mustangman759]

if you didnt get password via email (managers) tell me

[chris kasch]

Is the server up yet?

[Mustangman759]

yes.
RR.GT3 Touring Car Cup 2012

[chris kasch]

Hi Matt,i don't have the password mate

[Bmxtwins]

Check your email for password.

[tDiesel]

What happens if one team cannot qualify? (because of MoE or other stuff) Or if they miss the Super Pole?

[Mustangman759]

superpole is only for to 1/3 of the field that qualifys . If you can confirm and say your missing thats also fine. You will just start from the rear in order by lowest number. although I find it hard to believe 1 driver from a team cannot stop in an do 1 lap

[Tomhah]

Might miss qual due to MoE.

[Mustangman759]

I have responded to your PM Tommy, didnt see your updated drivers but they are fine

[Speed Senna]

We have 2 teams, but only 4-5 drivers, so can we do like this; in other rounds we maybe change for example a driver to #1 team from #2 and vice versa... i believe that we will do that several times, if its allowed? :smileypul

pls answer :shy:

[Mustangman759]

2 Cars may share the same team roster

[luchian]

Hello,
Is SHIFT+P allowed during qualify ?
Official race communication will happen through text messages (in game chat) or TS is mandatory ?

Thanks.

[DarknessPainF1]

Hello,
Is SHIFT+P allowed during qualify ?
Official race communication will happen through text messages (in game chat) or TS is mandatory ?

Thanks.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=76899

[luchian]

Thanks, but have you read it ?

You are right though with one aspect that I wasn't clear enough: by official race communication I mean only race admin communication for each session (be it qualify or race).

[Mustangman759]

Thanks, but have you read it ?

You are right though with one aspect that I wasn't clear enough: by official race communication I mean only race admin communication for each session (be it qualify or race).

I do not understand what you are asking here

[luchian]

During official session, the race admins will communicate only by text messages (via in game chat) or TS is required ?

Also I will suppose SHIFT+P is allowed.

[Mustangman759]

#27 you are only allowed 1 driver on the server at the same time

[luchian]

I know. He was only trying to take over from the other driver. Seems it is not allowed during qualify.. that one we didn't know. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[sjoblom]

Sorry for late confirmation and no official skin, :shrug: ... our paintmaster is out of town. Well at least i had my name correctly formatted :tilt:
Well, IRM has to sort this out during the week so we are all set for the race ...
... but since we are in the KY150 as well we just keep our fingers crossed that me and Bertil will be in separately KY150 qualis so we can be in this race as well :nod:

[Mustangman759]

Qualifying Replays: http://gt3tcc.500servers.net/R1QGT312.zip
#24 needs to PM me lane choice for start of the race

[Mustangman759]

GT3 Touring Car Cup 2012 Round 1: Provisional Grid
1. #24 spdoRacing #2 2. #03 spdoRacing
3. #16 Team Vires 2 4. #08 Vortex Motorsport
5. #02 Last Lap Motorsports 6. #12 MTDZX
7. #17 Wicked Racing Team 8. #07 GTS Motorsport
9. #22 Last Lap Motorsports 3 10.#19 GTS Motorsport 2
11.#58 Pure Motorsport 12.#13 Asphalt Guys
13.#18 Last Lap Motorsports 2 14.#30 MTDZX #2 *
15.#14 Segra Racing 16.#06 Wicked Racing Team
17.#10 rForce™ 18.#23 Independent Racing Mates
19.#27 RLR 20.#01 Conquest Racing

* Denotes a team that is able to be dropped if more than 29 teams confirm (excluding team #30)

I will add teams who missed qualifying soon

[Bmxtwins]

Not really a protest, but RLR needs to be a bit more aware of blue flags. Thanks

[luchian]

Qualifying Replays: http://gt3tcc.500servers.net/R1QGT312
#24 needs to PM me lane choice for start of the race

The link misses a ".zip" most probably. At least, that did the trick for me.

[Mustangman759]

adjusted link mb

[luchian]

Noted.

[sjoblom]

Server is set to Qual 30 min ... pls switch to practise mode so we can practise long stints :thumb:

[nathan246]

Server is set to Qual 30 min ... pls switch to practise mode so we can practise long stints :thumb:

Done

[IsaacPrice]

Button clutch is allowed? /fp

[Mustangman759]

whatcha on about ginger?

[Senninha25]

whatcha on about ginger?
he's asking if you can use clutch as a button instead of a pedal :razz:

[Mustangman759]

Yes I know, I don't see anything wrong with it. If you want to set the clutch as your shifter etc you go right ahead. Just no automatic macros

[fadeaway]

Well no advantage except few tenths per lap.. thats nothing :razz:

[IsaacPrice]

well your restrictions are wrong if you can use a clutch thats faster in an fzr, and how are you going to prove if its a macro or not. afaik thats why its banned in every other decent league.

[Bmxtwins]

Isaac. IIRC even on autoclutch the FZR still shows the blue bar going up. So essentially your right, its impossible to prove if someone is using clutch or autoclutch.

[Mustangman759]

Were all here for fun if one person wants to do that he can but the loss of respect is on him.

[IsaacPrice]

Isaac. IIRC even on autoclutch the FZR still shows the blue bar going up. So essentially your right, its impossible to prove if someone is using clutch or autoclutch.

Not on MPR's, if they have manual clutch the bar comes up. In leagues like MoE, IGTC, GT2WS nobody there has a problem to understand and enforce this, what makes you different?

[Dennis93]

Incorrect.

Person who is driving will always see the blue bar. People who is watching can see it when clutch is manually applied.

[IsaacPrice]

Thats what I meant

[Bmxtwins]

I think the problem is that you can't tell if someone is using manual clutch or button clutch then :P.

[IsaacPrice]

You can tell the difference between axis and button clutch through LFS. The flags etc are different. Button clutch is banned in every good league in LFS, why do you want to be different in a globally accepted area?

[DarknessPainF1]

Just make everyone use automatic clutch and it's solved.

[Speed Senna]

just make everyone use automatic clutch and it's solved.

+1

[Kristi]

Just disallow manual clutch. Thats the easiest way. Anyway, FZR is neturally faster every in South city.

[Bmxtwins]

I agree to disallow clutch. But if Matt allows it then all f z r teams should take advantage of it I guess

[Tomhah]

So we cannot use axis-clutch neither? (just want to clarify :-))

[Kristi]

I just advice you not looking at your own business. Just because you are faster with manual clutch in FZR, you shouldn't allow it for your own purpose. It makes FZR advantageous over the already slow XR3. If you are slow with FZ3, Matt. I suggest practicing than turning your rules onto yourself.

[Mustangman759]

So we cannot use axis-clutch neither? (just want to clarify :-))
Never Gave an official ruling on anything except using a macro clutch
@ kristi wtf you on about?

[Kristi]

I just gave you an advice before making the rules, hence it's your own league and it's about your car :)

[Dennis93]

Never Gave an official ruling on anything except using a macro clutch
@ kristi wtf you on about?


Can you define macro clutch?

or is button clutch still allowed

[Senninha25]

My feeling is that button clutch will end up being banned out of confusion :razz:

[Dennis93]

I wouldn't be surprised :razz:

[Mustangman759]

macro= when gear shifts the clutch is engaged / disengaged quickly through no player skill but a bind.

[fadeaway]

You make it sound like bc is not the same as macro clutch only with pushing two buttons when shifting instead of one. Actually you even call it a skill :Looking_a

[gangsteer]

Can you make a difference between macro and button clutch? Or its the same? :x

[Kristi]

It makes you advantageous. Thats the point

[Bmxtwins]

It makes you advantageous. Thats the point
matts driving an fxr. I drive FZR. I think button clutch needs to be rules on soon. IMO just make everyone in FZR use auto clutch or axis clutch (if you can tell the difference btwn axis and button)

[rockclan]

Why do we hear nothing back about our sign-up? :shy:

[Mustangman759]

Because you submitted it while i was sleeping

[Bmxtwins]

Not 100% we can make it. Some Kyoto 150 business is scheduled at this time. Should of looked in to it before setting race dates... :really:
GT3 was schedule before KY150 was re-scheduled.

[chris kasch]

Anyone want a drive in the XRR or FZR tomorrow.I have been away and just can't get to grips at all.PM me or James Harridge if you are interested

[luchian]

Hi. Any streaming for the race ?

[Ziomek21]

Trackerlink pls if possible

[Mustangman759]

how many times do I have to say, there is none for this round?

[sjoblom]

how many times do I have to say, there is none for this round?
ohhh, missed that :smileypul:razz::chair:

[sjoblom]

R. Kööts, we (car 23) moved aside to let u pass and u just pushed us away! Why?
Just because you are the leader it doesn't give u the right to mangle blueflagged cars ... :detective

[Mustangman759]

safety car was called out for a #16 who was causing multiple yellow flags due to 2 punctures

[Mustangman759]

even with all that damage koskinen is out running spdo :shy:

[IsaacPrice]

lulz

[nikosk31]

Session: Race
Lap: 82
timecode: 1h 48 approx
Cars: #03 #20
Description: #20 crashes #03 after having been passed for blue flag in Turn 1.
Also I'd like to apologize for this to #03..... I missed the braking point.

[TacTicalNoob]

Sorry to Rik at spdo team for the lag hit :(

[xfirestorm]

A quick sorry to #23 for crashing at turn 2. No excuse, should have been more careful.

And, any idea aprox. when the replays are going to be available?

[TacTicalNoob]

Fun 1st race for me :) thankyou guys (sorry for incidents)

[Mustangman759]

Fun 1st race for me :) thankyou guys (sorry for incidents)

you did rather well besides that mistake on the restart which got you a DT

[Kristi]

24th to 2nd.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/151/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg
Thanks to MoT3C for helping me out in this race :)

[sjoblom]

A quick sorry to #23 for crashing at turn 2. No excuse, should have been more careful.

Accepted :thumb:

[gaston_ar44]

replay?

[Senninha25]

Not bad for a first race - they usually tend to be a bit more chaotic than today :D
Only bad marks go to the chatterboxes who kept chatting even after we said "CHAT CLOSED", and constantly using permission to talk unnecessarily.

So I guess that chat rules should be reinforced for the next rounds, no exceptions made (although it's recommended to get rid of those binds so you don't get unnecessary DT's)

[chris kasch]

Looks as though Pure Motorsport (car no. 58 will have to retire from the series i'm afraid

[Mustangman759]

ill get the replay up in an hour

[Mustangman759]

race replay
http://gt3tcc.500servers.net/GT3R1Race2012.zip

[gaston_ar44]

thanks :thumb:

[luchian]

Thank you for the replays.

As a general note, especially because it is not beeing said enough, thank you for the time and effort putted into the organisation of this event. On our side we have enjoyed the race even if it ended prematurely.

Looking forward for Round 2.

[DarknessPainF1]

Cmon man. You only gained positions in that accident.
Session: Race
Lap: 1 turn 1
Cars : #03 #08 #24 #16
Description:
#08 starts the race without keeping the double file, but going wider to the side of #03. After that, under the bridge #08 tosses #03, and while keeping the lost car #08 hits #16 who loses some places from that incident. #08 keeps going and touches #24 which destabilizes #08. Going into turn 1 #08 doesn't leave enough space for #03 and sends him into the wall, spinning out, losing 10+ positions and a heavily damaged car which had to be repaired in pitlane. Overall #03 lost 20+ places in that incident caused by #08.
Not defending my own teammate but... When Green flag came, he was still on double file, getting a legal start, under the bridge 08 get's a small contact with spdo car, causing 08 to move a bit to the middle of spdo cars, same time 16 has a wide line coming out under the bridge, causing a small contact with 08 (Racing incident). In the first turn 08 misses braking point and has a small contact with 03, lag involved and 03 hits the wall (also there wasn't really heavy damage), also racing incident and wasn't intentional.

[krkriv]

Cmon man. You only gained positions in that accident.
Session: Race
Lap: 1 turn 1
Cars : #03 #08 #24 #16
Description:
#08 starts the race without keeping the double file, but going wider to the side of #03. After that, under the bridge #08 tosses #03, and while keeping the lost car #08 hits #16 who loses some places from that incident. #08 keeps going and touches #24 which destabilizes #08. Going into turn 1 #08 doesn't leave enough space for #03 and sends him into the wall, spinning out, losing 10+ positions and a heavily damaged car which had to be repaired in pitlane. Overall #03 lost 20+ places in that incident caused by #08.

Well I'm guilty to explain, because your points of looking are just strange. 1st, I don't know #16 where was going when he had really small room to come in, he could just go inside of spdo's fxr. He had no room to join in this 3 way thing. - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45632925/lfs_00000089.bmp


About T1, for me personally you had enough room outside. Nvm about that, I was trying to be safe, in the action didn't saw Kalicki going behind us, i though he is next to me. I left room for car inside, but wasn't too big looks like. You decided to take me on the outside there, some kind of squeeze that was. The thing for this accident is on both cars for me. But wasn't my fault that I drove safely if there's car inside. You had room and line - decided to use mine - didn't end good for you. Also laggy server is not my fault.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45632925/lfs_00000090.bmp
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45632925/lfs_00000092.bmp

[Kristi]

I don't know what your definition of heavy damage is, but here's how my bars looked after impact.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/24/damagek.jpg
I consider that heavy, because it made the car barely drivable, and took 24 seconds to repair in pits.

[Kristi]

My wheel was pointing outwards the turn, I don't think it's a sign of trying to use your line
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5034/lfs00000330.jpg

[krkriv]

Thats after you recognize that i'm inside side-by-side. Because of the great mirror quality in LFS. I was in the death point of your mirror at some point, after I showed my nose, you saw me and changed ur line.

I don't know what your definition of heavy damage is, but here's how my bars looked after impact.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/24/damagek.jpg
I consider that heavy, because it made the car barely drivable, and took 24 seconds to repair in pits.

Well after our contact you clearly hadn't damage. ->>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45632925/lfs_00000093.bmp
It was your own fault that you rejoined unsafely, that's the moment from where ur damage came after ur rejoin ---> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45632925/lfs_00000094.bmp

[MoMo92i]

Krasi that don't really looks as a "I'm on the inside" move...Reno was on the inside, you were already outside, where was Kristi supposed to be?

As Reno was clearly ahead of you you should have been on the inside line, that one looks like you braked too late and couldn't keep inside line and btw hit Kristi who was on outside.

Then didn't saw the replay (no internet at home atm) but that's what your screens shows, and then your penultimate screen already shows that some cars were racing a line where kristi was.

[Kristi]

He indeed braked 3-5 meters later than us.

[krkriv]

As i said earlier i decided to play safe. I was on the half thinking there might be car inside. Also ill repeat, for me this accident is separated - racing incident. Let the admins decide. Well im in the FZR, I have the better brakes. You cant judge on that.

[MoMo92i]

Let the admins decide.

:thumb:

[DarknessPainF1]

I don't know what your definition of heavy damage is, but here's how my bars looked after impact.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/24/damagek.jpg
I consider that heavy, because it made the car barely drivable, and took 24 seconds to repair in pits.

I call this heavy damage http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54654482/asdasd.png I did the last hour with those.

[MoMo92i]

Joonas XRR is a bigger bi**h with damage than FZR.

[krkriv]

Joonas XRR is a bigger bi**h with damage than FZR.
True that. But you can't complain about the others, when you smack all cars that you see -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=62dxC0uakAQ#t=179s Watch Kristi's driving and how he wreck every car that he can at this moment.

[30 - B. Alin Gabriel]

Hy.

Were do i find the rezults for the last race.

Thanks and good luck for all.:thumb:

[MoMo92i]

Tbh Krasi that video shows nothing about the t1 crash
And after that look like he has outside line in that turn and hold it, if that move would have been few laps later that would have created no troubles because everyone would have been focus on this fight and more aware of everybody else position. Kristi simply hold his line which was outside and then inside, but the other driver certainly focus of the fight at hos front cross his line ( btw used normal racing line).

That looks more casual start incidet at South city, and still about t1, facts are you make contact with the spdo car that was outside leaving rooms with you and i note you finish 1st lap 2nd and kristi in 24th. Then they were no protest against #3 and he climbed to 2nd, so basically it is 22 cars overtaken without problems.

Then btw let just stop arguing about it, race starts always creats some situation like that, now there is protest and as you said let admin make a decision and respect it.

[Mustangman759]

Hy.

Were do i find the rezults for the last race.

Thanks and good luck for all.:thumb:

I am yet to complete them

[Bmxtwins]

pointsssssz

[SennaSS]

yep team pure motorsport has withdrawn from lfs... we have gone to a far better land called I racing :D its so much more realistic on so many levels. i hav enjoyed my time on lfs but its time to move on & upgrade. Nic eracing with you guys i will pop back in 10 years and see if this game has improved :D i doubt it

to race is to live..... ADIOS

[DarknessPainF1]

yep team pure motorsport has withdrawn from lfs... we have gone to a far better land called I racing :D its so much more realistic on so many levels. i hav enjoyed my time on lfs but its time to move on & upgrade. Nic eracing with you guys i will pop back in 10 years and see if this game has improved :D i doubt it

to race is to live..... ADIOS

aha

[boothy]

Tell us how you get on with driver swaps.

Oh and 17 incidents per race, nice going :really:

[MoMo92i]

yep team pure motorsport has withdrawn from lfs... we have gone to a far better land called I racing :D its so much more realistic on so many levels. i hav enjoyed my time on lfs but its time to move on & upgrade. Nic eracing with you guys i will pop back in 10 years and see if this game has improved :D i doubt it

to race is to live..... ADIOS

Funny also iRacing stars from 3id said that LFS physics were better and so many drivers finally came back to LFS. btw maybe in iRacing FX2 would be competitive :p

[fadeaway]

:Looking_a
stupidity of that post has so many levels :D

[Bmxtwins]

I just got a 1 month iracing trial with indy car. Im gonna go try it out and see how bad it is

[Senninha25]

ugh. zanzi sure tells it like it is, and I just found it funny :D I'm not saying he's a douchebag.

If all this insulting and slagging off could stop, everyone would be happier. That's all I'm saying. And it's not like talking shit about people makes things better, it just ends up with said people throwing shit right back at you. It's pointless.

[SennaSS]

well anyone who wants somthign new Go try I racing ... Like their facebook page and you get 2 months free for teh price of 1..so 3 months worth .. its not expensive either. its a huge improvment to lfs and I just come on here to see what you guys wrote :D

[Kristi]

I love how the top racers say it's crap compared to LFS, and then you come here and bless it.

[Mustangman759]

well anyone who wants somthign new Go try I racing ... Like their facebook page and you get 2 months free for teh price of 1..so 3 months worth .. its not expensive either. its a huge improvment to lfs and I just come on here to see what you guys wrote :D

thats open to everyone check the promo page btw

[MoMo92i]

well anyone who wants somthign new Go try I racing ... Like their facebook page and you get 2 months free for teh price of 1..so 3 months worth .. its not expensive either. its a huge improvment to lfs and I just come on here to see what you guys wrote :D

You definitely love being flamed? Btw cool story bro, i tested it, it was shit, i cryed for my money and join an lfs server to have some fun with RWD cars with decent physics, decent netcode and good community and for 0€! So I enjoyed LFS :D

You are prolly looking for some friends in iRacing, yeah iracing community isn't LFS's

[Mustangman759]

You definitely love being flamed? Btw cool story bro, i tested it, it was shit, i cryed for my money and join an lfs server to have some fun with RWD cars with decent physics, decent netcode and good community and for 0€! So I enjoyed LFS :D

You are prolly looking for some friends in iRacing, yeah iracing community isn't LFS's
exactly :) although I am having fun at the expense of other's safety ratings when I push them to hard at a oval...

[fadeaway]

:feedtroll

[MoMo92i]

Dunno if i'm blind and didn't see it but where are round #1 results?

[Mustangman759]

I have been bogged down lately. Will get them up as soon as I can

[MoMo92i]

Good :)

[fadeaway]

Btw, can you please stop sending safety car on track for minor things like popped tires, pileups and shit. Do it like in other leagues, for flipping and stucking in sand, thats just common sense.
XRRs and especially FXRs are counting on their advantage in shorter pit stops, if you took that away from them by throwing sc in every stint, they don't stand a chance against fzr that has better race pace. :shrug: So please put sc in only when absolutely necessary! Thanks :thumbsup:

[Senninha25]

Btw, can you please stop sending safety car on track for minor things like popped tires, pileups and shit. Do it like in other leagues, for flipping and stucking in sand, thats just common sense.
XRRs and especially FXRs are counting on their advantage in shorter pit stops, if you took that away from them by throwing sc in every stint, they don't stand a chance against fzr that has better race pace. :shrug: So please put sc in only when absolutely necessary! Thanks :thumbsup:
You're absolutely right and I agree with your post, but here's the reason why we sent the SC out.
Normally, flipping over and being stuck in gravel traps would be the best case to throw in the SC, you're right, but in this particular case, the race was at South City, where there's almost no space to avoid an accident. An FZ3 had 2 flat tyres at the back and had to do the whole lap trying not to spin off in front of people, so as a safety measure, we as the admins, voted to send the SC out before anyone's race was ruined by a slow car that could cause a massive accident at any point before it got back to the pits.

That was our only reasoning, just as a safety measure. I understand that people feel a bit frustrated about it, but if we didn't send the Safety Car out, people would be complaining instead about some car with two flats at the back that caused a huge crash and ruined their races. :razz:

[krkriv]

Btw, can you please stop sending safety car on track for minor things like popped tires, pileups and shit. Do it like in other leagues, for flipping and stucking in sand, thats just common sense.
XRRs and especially FXRs are counting on their advantage in shorter pit stops, if you took that away from them by throwing sc in every stint, they don't stand a chance against fzr that has better race pace. :shrug: So please put sc in only when absolutely necessary! Thanks :thumbsup:
Agree with you, but mate as Rui said that was South City. The car with the both punctures, caused really dangerous contacts, almost accidents. :shrug:

[IsaacPrice]

You're absolutely right and I agree with your post, but here's the reason why we sent the SC out.
Normally, flipping over and being stuck in gravel traps would be the best case to throw in the SC, you're right, but in this particular case, the race was at South City, where there's almost no space to avoid an accident. An FZ3 had 2 flat tyres at the back and had to do the whole lap trying not to spin off in front of people, so as a safety measure, we as the admins, voted to send the SC out before anyone's race was ruined by a slow car that could cause a massive accident at any point before it got back to the pits.

That was our only reasoning, just as a safety measure. I understand that people feel a bit frustrated about it, but if we didn't send the Safety Car out, people would be complaining instead about some car with two flats at the back that caused a huge crash and ruined their races. :razz:

Fair enough if you have reasoning for it, just no competition cautions like last season. kthanks :thumbsup:

[boothy]

I was curious to see what happened, turns out it was a XRR with front punctures sustained just as he went through the final corner (he kept going when his tyres were very thin and had camber damage, what a retard) so he had to do a whole lap (given this guys brain power that wasn't going to happen without incident as proven when he went straight on at T1). Then an FZR got turned and rolled at the hairpin, so it would probably have been called anyway.

[Mustangman759]

Rui summed it up well

[fadeaway]

Ok, city track, not enough place etc but it was only 1.3 minute track, so very short. Its not fault of the rest of field that some car made a mistake in tire lasting judgment so they should pay the price in their hard earned seconds. Both of SC periods (in 2nd and 3rd stint) in race were caused by popped tires, fist one came out when fzr with popped rears was only 1 (!) turn from the pits.
Also, I watched replay from last years ky nat race, it started with 3 SC periods :Looking_a, thats just.. unbelievable.
Not that i'm complaining about ruling (you are admins so its your call), but from what i've seen so far i have impression that admins are sort of "trigger happy" about sc periods so i'm giving you some arguments here to reconsider that practice. ;)

[krkriv]

Ok, city track, not enough place etc but it was only 1.3 minute track, so very short. Its not fault of the rest of field that some car made a mistake in tire lasting judgment so they should pay the price in their hard earned seconds. Both of SC periods (in 2nd and 3rd stint) in race were caused by popped tires, fist one came out when fzr with popped rears was only 1 (!) turn from the pits.
Also, I watched replay from last years ky nat race, it started with 3 SC periods :Looking_a, thats just.. unbelievable.
Not that i'm complaining about ruling (you are admins so its your call), but from what i've seen so far i have impression that admins are sort of "trigger happy" about sc periods so i'm giving you some arguments here to reconsider that practice. ;)

Yeah I remember that ky2 race :D Was epic, but many crashes were caused, because of laggy server - If i'm right there even was RED FLAG. But I hope you remember GTAL last season, with the FE4 madness. more than 10 safety cars in that race.

[Speed Senna]

There was red flag TWICE,

It was my best race ever, (position was not best ever but i enjoyed it a lot! :thumb:)

Cant wait next KY2 race, hopefully it is epic also :D

[Mustangman759]

All safety cars we call are for any incidents that endanger cars severely and will possible dnf another car. You can be assured that we as admins and race officials would like to go all season without a single safety car period

[MoMo92i]

Be lazy = my way of life :D

[Senninha25]

It is a bit of a pain to keep the drivers from breaking the rules, though, specially (and most of the times, only) when it comes to the chat being closed and people still talking over it.

And about the first SC: One way or another though, people would still complain. If we didn't act, people complain about the admins not acting. But if we did something about it, people start complaining about our decision. It happens everywhere, although it happens more often than not in some places.

[fadeaway]

If we didn't act, people complain about the admins not acting.
I've seen this said few times now. I don't remember i've seen ever that someone complains about admins haven't reacted with sc in some situation.. so i think you are overadmining here :tilt: by worrying too much, no need for that :) When watching sports (lets say football) you don't wont refs to steal the focus from the game by overdoing their job.

[Speed Senna]

It is a bit of a pain to keep the drivers from breaking the rules, though, specially (and most of the times, only) when it comes to the chat being closed and people still talking over it.

And about the first SC: One way or another though, people would still complain. If we didn't act, people complain about the admins not acting. But if we did something about it, people start complaining about our decision. It happens everywhere, although it happens more often than not in some places.

Simply way to get off that "pain and time wasting" is giving INSTANT DT or rear grid for chatting. NO MERCY! ( including smiles )

[Senninha25]

Simply way to get off that "pain and time wasting" is giving INSTANT DT or rear grid for chatting. NO MERCY! ( including smiles )
That's why I'll talk to the guys about sending chatters to the back of the grid. Same applies to those who misuse their "permission to talk".

@fadeaway, you are kind of right again. I am a bit new to this whole admining, though. This is about the 3rd race that I've been part of the admins for, and I'm already noticing differences between us and deko or deadwolfbones' admin teams. It is all about experience though, they've been doing this for years :D