UK LFS Karting 2006 - Details

[tristancliffe]

Okay guys, this is the thread where it becomes official. YAY! This year we've had a lot of interest again, partly from people who missed out last year and partly from those who came last year and loved it. If you didn't hear about last years event do a search and you'll see how much fun we had...

Date: 1st July 2006
Time: Briefing at 12pm (midday :p), get there a bit earlier if you like, but NOT later.
The start time has changed to midday, so it is imperative that you get to the track for 11:45 at the LATEST. Failure to attend the briefing may mean you cannot take part.

Location: Multimap (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=461500&Y=264500&width=500&height=300&gride=461701&gridn=264551&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=NN115NH&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&out.x=7&out.y=9&scale=10000)
Whilton Mill Ltd,
Whilton Locks,
Nr. Daventry,
Northamptonshire
NN11 5NH.

Cost: £185 per team. A team will consist of 3 people. Thus individuals have to pay £61.67 each. Sorry it's gone up a bit on initial estimates, but that is estimating for you. This is only £1 more than last year, for better karts, more track time, and outdoor too, rather than a grotty indoor circuit, so in terms of value for money this is a massive improvement.

Format: 30 minutes practice, 10 minutes for each driver, followed by a 2 hour race, with appropriate driver changes.

Deposits: We need £20 from each confirmed driver, and this needs to be in by the end of May I think, maybe the first week of June if I'm a bit rude. Cheques to be made payable to Whilton Mill Ltd NOT to me.


Availability: 16 team maximum - that's 48 drivers in all.

Confirmed Drivers/Teams:
I will list people here, with confirmed 'teams' at the top and single drivers below. Single drivers will have to triple up with other single drivers for the event to form a team, so don't worry about signing up if you have no one to be with. Perhaps we can interest the devs in coming, see if they can better 3rd place this year. I'd guess the update tyre and aero physics will give them an advantage.

Teams
It would be helpful if you post which team you want to be in, and who with, so I can do it without reading a million posts each time.

1. Karting1.co.uk
Alan Dove (CONFIRMED)
Ayrton Senna 87 (CONFIRMED, but no cheque yet :p)
ArosaMike (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

2. MRNL
Bob Smith (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
MadmanCZ (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
alexmason (CONFIRMED)

3. 4Sight Racing
Snewham (CONFIRMED, though I don't remember reading the confirmation)
AndyC (Any word from him recently?)

4. vMax Racing I
_Tux_ (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Chris_Kerry (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
_Rob_ (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

5. vMax Racing II
Simon Savage (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
marcusv8thunder (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

6. Triple 7 Racing
Lippy (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Danowat (CONFIRMED, whether he likes it or not)
Shifty (CONFIRMED, but I don't remember him saying anything in either thread.)

7. dSRC
Sir Bogeyman (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Nick Whitney (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Europa (Ed) (CONFIRMED, by PM) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

8. Sonic Realms Racing
Ferret (CONFIRMED by KayJay) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
KayJay (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Tongey (CONFIRMED by KayJay) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

9. Some Mongrel mix of T7R and Team.X
TristanCliffe (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED] ;)
Clownpaint (CONFIRMED)

10. The Young Ones
T1ger (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Decibel (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

11. Anttt69's Team
Anttt69 (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Ant's friend #1 (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
Ant's friend #2 (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]

Others
FunnyBear
GP4Flo
Lucasinio
ScHiZ


Cameramen
Smax
V4ForLife

Entertainer/Camerman/Golden Oldie
Fordman

Total Number of Confirmed Drivers: 28/48.
Minimum number of TEAMS required for the event to go ahead as above: 10
In the event we do not make the numbers we will have to come up with a contingency plan.

Deposits Recieved, and Total Value
20 = £280 (and no one has made it out to me yet, so well done! :p)

Hotels:
Last year a lot of people used this one - Ibis Hotels (http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/fichehotel/gb/ibi/3657/fiche_hotel.shtml)
A bit of googling turned up this (http://www.theaa.com/hotels/27068.html), this (http://www.theaa.com/hotels/2189.html) and this (http://www.theaa.com/hotels/2197.html)

Night Life: We need somewhere to drown our sorrows afterwards (and talk about Saubers), so we'll try and get a bit of info here. There is also a good chance that we'll meet here earlier in the day for people who want a full day out, before going to the track around midday. Northampton train station is nearby, so it's very likely we can pick people up from there if required (though I can only do one person at a time).

Meeting Place: Will has suggested we meet in the same place, but this might change if we get a better option. Around 10am onwards I guess. They serve food from 12 - 3.
Note: No alcohol BEFORE karting.

Thomas a Becket - multimap (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=474500&Y=260500&width=500&height=300&gride=474386&gridn=260414&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=NN55HY&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&out.x=6&out.y=10&scale=10000)
01604 751177
52 St James Rd
Northampton
NN5 5HY

To sign up, post your interest (I will edit this periodically). I'll PM you my details regarding cheques, as it's easier if one person sends lots than lots of people send one. I will mark you down as paid when I recieve your cheque, but there's no urgent rush about paying just yet.

This thread isn't for generally karting chat, but for arranging details and asking questions specifically about the day. The general chat thread can be found HERE (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=7513)

Hope to see you there, and I wish you the best of luck.

Please note: There will be a LOT of people signing up to this, more than I can keep track of on a forum (even with my posting habits). So if you want my address to post the cheque to (not made out to me, I must stress that), then please PM me. Without a PM it is likely I will miss you out for too long, and you're place may be at risk.

Sadly Victor has informed me that neither Scawen, Eric or himself will be coming to the event this year. No reason was given, so it's either too much work, or they're still upset at seeing how ugly we are in real life. However, it can still be a great event - the devs were, duting most of the day, just other LFSers, and not the only reason it was a massive success. So keep on coming, and make the devs regret their decision.

[Smax]

Right I'm prepared to commit to filming it,editing the footage and producing a DVD which I will distribute for the cost of a disc and the postage. I'll also provide stills and have a night on the town with everyone. I will not be karting myself, and may need a lift from Northampton station, depending on whether or not I can con a mate into coming to hold another camera.

I may be able to get access to a "bullet cam" which could be used to shoot onboard footage from the kart itself. However most racing circuit owners get a little antsy when people mention such things, so could Aryton [who I understand knows the circuit owner] please sound him out about the use of one on his circuit.

The bullet cam is around the size of a mini maglite and plugs into a standard DV camcorder which records the footage and the sound.
What we normally do is put the DV camcorder in a car's footwell, however in the case of karting we might have to look at having the driver wear a rucksack with containing the camcorder instead. The bullet cam has to connect to the standard camcorder with a cable. I suspect that taping the cable along the kart safely and out of the driver's way would be the limiting factor.

Given that I'll be there but not driving I wonder if Tristan/Aryton could find out if I'll get charged on the gate or something?

[Becky Rose]

A rucksack wouldn't be safe. In the event of a roll a kart does not have a roll cage ... this is because of the update physics patch: The driver leaves the kart and continues on foot until forward velocity is expelled.

You would have to attach the camera entirely to the kart or an adapted helmet. If you could mount it on the nassau panel you'd be in luck.

[Smax]

A rucksack wouldn't be safe. In the event of a roll a kart does not have a roll cage ... this is because of the update physics patch: The driver leaves the kart and continues on foot until forward velocity is expelled.

You would have to attach the camera entirely to the kart or an adapted helmet. If you could mount it on the nassau panel you'd be in luck.

qué? :shrug:

[mrbogeyman]

So we have to sign up in this thread too?

Ok, im in.

[ayrton senna 87]

Smax, u would not be charged at the gate, and it would be great to have a DVD recorded. do u do this sort of thing for a living? We will need more than 1 camera, which is where fordie comes in, and it would be very nice to have 3.

Smax, if u arrive a bit early i can get u together with the circuit owner and discuss the best/safest places to film. it would be good to have a wide variety of shots. Ill have a word with Dan (the guy in charge) about onboard cameras. as u might know we had one last year but we put the computer in the wrong place so we didnt get good footage. and it had no sound.

NOTE TO WHOEVER WANTS TO CONFIRM
If you PM tristan he can send you his address and contact details so you can send the £20 deposit to him. Post in this thread too

pls be reminded that this isnt a discussion thread. last years 'official no discussion' thread got to around 14 pages i think :p

[Funnybear]

I so wanna say yes yes yes, count me in too . . . Bu tI can't commit until I know what I'm working, which could well be the week before . . DOH.

But If I ain't working I might just come up and have a butchers at everyone and put faces to 'nicks'. Got family up in Northhampton anyhow.

So keep us posted about a meeting point and you never know, you might see a Funnybear up there too. And see why his full nick (Funnylookingteddybear) is a little more apt . . . lol

[snewham]

I'M IN!!

we need to do it by team so that we know who's who. So from now on post your name and your team:

snewham: 4sight racing

[Djbob]

I would like to join in - can I be in a good team please? :thumb:

[Rappa Z]

:doh: y do i have to live in the U.S.?:(

like i said in the other thread, can it get videoed....alot?

[Smax]

Aryton....no I don't do this sort of thing for a living yet

I have a BA Hons in Design for digital media :- think digital graphic design with photography and film thrown in...or at least I will have my BA by next Friday....

Vidoe cameras wise I may be able to provide up to 3, the more folk who can bring one the better, if they don't mind giving me the tapes I'll edit it all up and burn it no problem.

I use a Canon 350D 8mp SLR still camera which gives me a semi-pro result, but it does have a point and shoot mode. Anyone's welcome to steal it off me and take some shots with it, since I only have two hands :shrug:

[Simon Savage]

Im in, maybe if they dont object i could team up with any vmax people.

[v4forlife]

smax, i used to have a 10d, but had to sell it as i needed the cash, also had a rebel2000 35mm. if i can make it, id be more than willing to take some pics.

last time was good, you lot are a very commpetative lot, and i had a good ride to and from there.
wont be racing, but i might be able to turn up....might even bring my pom-poms and cheer for one fo you lucky guys, lol...

[Bob Smith]

Put my name down (real or otherwise). :)

Edit: hotel room reserved.

[dUmAsS]

all booked into the ibis :) (better then leaving it 2 weeks before like last year and ending up in the middle of nowhere).

i assume the track takes debit/credit cards? (dont really want to carry *too* much cash ;) )

[ayrton senna 87]

i dont think they do take cards. im not sure... although u will only need to take £40 cash for the karting. nothing to worry about.

[Chris_Kerry]

I would be in guys, but a lack of a partner and some recent events regarding LFS have severely upset me and I'm considering my LFS future.

Hope you have a great time and I'm gutted I won't becoming as I want/wanted to play an active role in this community.

[Chris_Kerry]

Scrub that :P

Looks like me and the girlfriend may make a weekend out of it...and she can drive!

I'll let you know in the next couple of days...put me down as unconfirmed :)

[ArosaMike]

Mate...what karts are you gonna use and is it on the arrive and drive circuit of the full MSA one? I love the full circuit and could do with a practice, cause I'm gonna do a Club100 endurance there on Sept 2nd :D

Could be persuaded to join you all if I can be part of the karting1 team ;) LOL I'll bring my RedBull suit and everything :D Haha

[ayrton senna 87]

we are using the MSA one, twin engine pro karts. and it would be nice to have u along, we have a TV star coming lol!

[ArosaMike]

Ah what the hell...go on :) I'll come ;) Will be interesting to see if I can get the Pros to go full throttle through the first two corners :P I'll sort out some kind of conformation tomorrow evening when I get a chance to find my chequebook and have finished earning the money to pay for it (2-9pm at Starbucks tomorrow :P) I'll probably just become a moving target for everyone to try and take off but what have I got to lose apart from my repuation and life! Haha.

Whilton is also my nearest MSA track so it'll only take me 40mins to get there :D

[ayrton senna 87]

1st 2 corners are flat out on a good day :) will certainly be a place to watch if u wanna see people get it wrong!

[the_angry_angel]

I'm afraid I just can't make it this year guys :(

[dUmAsS]

Team Dev (If they are intrested again/not busy this year):
Scawen (UNCONFIRMED)
Victor (UNCONFIRMED)

you forgot Eric! :p

[Bladerunner]

I will be there to hold Bogeys hand and maybe hold his pint while he is racing...probably wont be karting though, as my back wont take that sort of punishment any more :(

[_Rob_]

Put me down. I'll send money tonight

[Lucasinio]

Dont mind which ever team im in, have no problem who im teamed with :smileypul

[traxxion]

WC 2006, Quarter-finals
59 01-Jul-06 Gelsenkirchen W51:W52 17:00
It's possible this will be England - Netherlands :schwitz:

[Simon Savage]

Ah what the hell...go on :) I'll come ;) Will be interesting to see if I can get the Pros to go full throttle through the first two corners :P I'll sort out some kind of conformation tomorrow evening when I get a chance to find my chequebook and have finished earning the money to pay for it (2-9pm at Starbucks tomorrow :P) I'll probably just become a moving target for everyone to try and take off but what have I got to lose apart from my repuation and life! Haha.

Whilton is also my nearest MSA track so it'll only take me 40mins to get there :D

I tried going full throttle in a tkm, well it was about two thirds throttle in the second. The back end broke away and i went into the tyres at about 35mph that was fun!

[Smax]

It's possible this will be England - Netherlands :schwitz:

No problem... I shall be in a pub in front of a T.V ready to watch England beat the Dutch. In all seriousness if it does pan out that way, then that is one match I will not miss for the world [not even the LFS version]

[dUmAsS]

hmm damn, i guess that means all the pubs after the race will be packed! :(

[Chris_Kerry]

hmm damn, i guess that means all the pubs after the race will be packed! :(

Maybe there is a TV at the Karting venue :thumb:

[Grivage]

Put me down as another non Karting, vid cam toting member of dSRC. I'll be away early evening though as i have a date with the Motogp crowd the following day :nod:

[Jakg]

Team Dev (If they are intrested again/not busy this year):
Scawen (UNCONFIRMED)
Victor (UNCONFIRMED)eric?

[tristancliffe]

If you'd notice guys, I have added Eric to the official list at the top of this thread. Will's list was a quick copy and paste of the one from the other thread, so it can be ignored now, maybe even deleted.

So far we have no confirmation or otherwise from Scawen, Victor or Eric, but don't give up hope yet, I only asked on Friday. Chill people.

[dUmAsS]

Maybe there is a TV at the Karting venue :thumb:

thats not what i ment...

[Leifde]

I tried going full throttle in a tkm, well it was about two thirds throttle in the second. The back end broke away and i went into the tyres at about 35mph that was fun!35, is that it? :smileypul

[ArosaMike]

I tried going full throttle in a tkm, well it was about two thirds throttle in the second. The back end broke away and i went into the tyres at about 35mph that was fun!

LOL...Club100 TKMs most definitely aren't flat out through it or the last corner either. A guy who raced with us last year who used to race Super1 tried the last corner and did a rather fantastic 360 and managed to *just* keep the thing firing and carry on! Haha. I think even he was quite surprised! Somone less experience also tried it and flipped his kart on the wood chippings!

[ayrton senna 87]

on a very good day, the last corner can be SO close to flat out, that its just a barely noticable lift. on the day that i went in june 2004, the 1st 2 corners were flat out.

although i think they have 115cc motors in club 100 now?

when i went my best was a 44.09, next best was 44.93 and barnaby pittingale (who u probably know) did a 44.05 while doin some kart testing. i worked for quite a few club 100 meetings and ive never seen such times since.

[ArosaMike]

To get it cheap we always run in the 'off' season so it's usually cold or raining! LOL Fastest time this year (in Feb) was 45.24 in my race with me doing a 45.98. Should be a few tenths faster than that now as I improved from Warden Law onwards (with my 1st at Buckmore where I set the 4th fastest lap in the wet on slicks :P).

Yeah I know of Barnaby. His driving style is nuts buy fast. Sidways everywhere! He spun it in front of everyone at Buckmore though! Everyone cheered! Haha :P

[Shotglass]

so what else is planned except for the karting ?

[ayrton senna 87]

Before and after we will be going to the pub, and we are tying to sort out some 'surprises' at the moment. generally just socialising with fellow sim nutters!

last years event was really enjoyable, all the way from 9am to 3am the next day (thanks to shifty) and i have no doubt that this year will be as good if not better, since we have the capacity for almost 50 racers, and we already have about 7 or 8 spectators and camera men.

it was especially good to meet GP4Flo, 3J, Victor and Da Hoe since they are so commited they decided to travel a couple of thousand miles!

[Shotglass]

a friend of mine is currently in northampton and im considering visiting him for a we and im tempted to synch that with the kart meet ... are there any holidays around that weekend by any chance ?

[tristancliffe]

we are tying to sort out some 'surprises' at the moment. generally just socialising with fellow sim nutters!

Disclaimer: Just to clarify, I'm not part of this 'we' so don't blame me for anything that may or may not happen, unless it's regarding the deposit cheques.

[Smax]

a friend of mine is currently in northampton and im considering visiting him for a we and im tempted to synch that with the kart meet ... are there any holidays around that weekend by any chance ?

No, unfortunately July 1st isn't close to any public holidays unless by random mad chance we do win the world cup ;)

It is a weekend though of course...

[zeugnimod]

World Cup final is on 9th July, so that wont be the case, too, unless you have good fortune tellers. :p

[Shotglass]

It is a weekend though of course...

i was aware of that :p
the thing is my friend is in northampton on internship so he hasnt got much time on other days than the weekend

[Gopher04]

Tristan, take me off the list m8, the date isn't good for me..:x

[three_jump]

Take me from the list too please :(

[tristancliffe]

:(

Okay

:sadbanana

[Lucasinio]

Confirm me as well, no team preference. I will also be drivng up, so anyone who is going from the south east and need a lift etc, pm me.

[P1lot]

Fraid can't make that date (already planned to go to Waddington Airshow), so please knock me off the list. Have fun!

[tristancliffe]

Assuming everyone in the list currently (including the unconfirmed people) come, that's 31 people. The maximum amount of drivers is 48, so come on guys. We can have a few more yet (17).

All you need to do is be able to get to Northampton area on July 1st for about midday. People are coming from all over already, so lifts might be possible, and it WILL be huge fun. You will meet people you never thought you would, and make friendships that will make racing with them so much more fun.

At £60 per person, for about an hours driving or something, it's very good value for money compared to almost any other karting event in the UK.

[Simon Savage]

Its possible i can give lifts if anyone is going to Rugby station.
Thats only 15 mins from me, Northampton is about 35 mins away so thats a bit too far for me to travel.

[mrbogeyman]

you can add _Rob_ to team dSRC. We are teaming up for this event :D

altough he isnt 100% confirmed as yet... :O

[Michel 4AGE]

Bumpy

Come on guys and girls, sign up !

[tristancliffe]

To everyone that comes, I'll give one cookie (it'll be a nice one).

[Bob Smith]

To everyone that comes, I'll give one cookie (it'll be a nice one).
I'll hold you to that.

[Shotglass]

I'll hold you to that.

i wouldnt trust him ... he still owes me my extra nice day

[danowat]

Not sure I am going to be able to make it, money is a bit tight ATM after my seperation.

Dan,

[Chris_Kerry]

It's looking increasingly likely that I AM coming. £25 return train ticket from Derby, and Tristan's booking the hotel, I'm useless at anything like that :)

Should be a great day although I think we all might be struggling on the Sunday :thumb:

[keiran]

Still not really sure here, looking at my calendar I have no racing going on that weekend. Need to check my parents aren't doing anything that weekend that might affect me, just arranging stuff is a pain like hotels etc :P Maybe I'm just too lazy :p

Keiran

[tristancliffe]

Okey Dokie. Hotel booked - Ibis for one night, sharing with Chris. I know where I'm going, I know when I going, and it's all looking good. What's happening afterwards? Last year Will and I stayed around a bit, and we went to watch the karting. We also had a go on the crappy little rent-a-kart track next to it, which was a lot of fun, but we were doing silly things. Anyone up for a second session? Chris and I might be up for it (maybe at the indoor place we used last year?).

[ayrton senna 87]

haha sounds good, a little indoor event the day after, for those with money to burn. i hope they have an open GP on the day after then!

for those who dont know, an open GP is against 30 or 40 public people, so its pretty easy to win...

[Bob Smith]

Heh, can't get blisters like that again. See previous comments. But I don't mind doing something a little lighter the next day. A beer and more steak for lunch sounds good, then off home early afternoon? :)

Tbh I might get sick of you if I stay too long. :p

[tristancliffe]

The only problem is we need more people to confirm this event. We have 14 confirmed drivers, and 31 in total.

To go ahead we really need 10 teams - that's 30 CONFIRMED drivers. If people WANT to do 2 man teams the price will obviously be shared between just two people, and become £90 per person (which is quite high, when £60 is pretty reasonable).

So don't be shy - sign up, and make this event happen. If we can get more interested people in the next couple of weeks then we'll all be okay!

[anttt69]

Count me in, I am v quick in these karts & even held a lap record at a track not far from newquay cornwall.

I have no prefference to team except for some drivers with karting skills/experience.

p.s. what is the format for the day? is a 3 hour enduro or lots of smaller sprint races? it does not say anywhere!

[Smax]

Chris Kerry... I'm travelling from Derby and MAY be able to organise a lift for you since it looks likely that one my mates is coming to help me with the filming... it just depends whether or not he gets his suspension rebuilt in time.....if not we're all on the train.... ;)

[Simon Savage]

I might just be able to afford it, the GP rules but i know im going to loose so badly because im not fast enaugh to get into the 27ns usually.

[Fordman]

Hi All,

Just want to add my 2cents in here. This is a fantastic event. Last Years was just totally awesome. You get to meet people that you usually swear at your monitor to, and also some very nice people :D Obviously the karting is the highlight of the event, but the evening is something not to be missed.

Just make sure your armed with a camara. Also, if Tristan or will ask you for your mobile number DONT GIVE IT as they will only ring you at 2am looking for a room :ices_rofl:

Seriously though, not an event to be missed in the UK. In Germany they have the GC, and Intel Finals nights. Its nice to have actually something in the UK that is LFS orientated.

Fordie

[the_angry_angel]

On the plus side, if Tristan does ring you, it means that you (aka Mr Smith) can text the bastard at 5am, calling him a spammer :D

Now that HAS to be worth it ;)

[t1ger]

OK, I can confirm that I will be going!

I am a loner, so I will need to team up with two others if anybody wants to arrange this with me before the event. I will be coming down from the Huddersfield area, so if anyone around there needs a lift, just PM me and we can arrange something.

Tim

[KayJay]

I just want to confirm that Sonicrealms will be there. Confirmation for KayJay, Tongey and Ferret :)

[ayrton senna 87]

great! im half welsh, so we will have alot to talk about!

[Fordman]

great! im half welsh, so we will have alot to talk about!

So thats your excuse will :D

[Bob Smith]

I might have got a 3rd bod from Pompey to come, he does play LFS but not active on forums so you won't know him. Just lent me his red momo for the day too, nice guy. :D

On the plus side, if Tristan does ring you, it means that you (aka Mr Smith) can text the bastard at 5am, calling him a spammer :D

Now that HAS to be worth it ;)
Can't see that happening again. :drevil:

[anttt69]

p.s. what is the format for the day? is it a 3 hour enduro or lots of smaller sprint races? it does not say anywhere! :shrug:

any info on race format??

[ayrton senna 87]

30 mins praccy 2 hour race, it says in the first thread, be we should ass it to this one :)

EDIT : Opps i meant add

[mrbogeyman]

admit it....you have ass on the brain :razz:

[Bob Smith]

oops i meant add
Spam. Could have just edited your first post. ;)

Edit: like this - I see we have 29 out of 48 peeps, still plenty of spaces. A shame no devs, but I suspect Scawen's wallet was hurting after buying all those pints of Guinness. :D

I've written out my cheque but forgot to post it today. Will try again tomorrow.

[tristancliffe]

I have updated the first post with this important information. Shame on all of you, and me, for not spotting its overlook earlier.

[colcob]

Just to confirm that I wont be able to make it. Just got back from holiday and time and money are in short supply at the moment.

Have fun guys, maybe I'll make it next year :)

[Simon Savage]

My mate Marcus who works as a marshall on the small track says he would like to go. He's only got the demo and says he understands that people with a licence has to come first. However he says if there are spaces left near the deadline that could be filled and there are no more takers then he would love to go.

I realise this could open the flood gates to other people wanting to bring freinds, but he wanted me to give him a mention if you still have places to fill near the end of may.

[Bob Smith]

I dunno, I don't think having a license is over important (I mean anyone who's a demo racer and comes, will quickly get convinced by the others no doubt).

But since it's an LFS meet, they should be somewhat regular LFS racers, if online in the demo. I mean it's nice for them to be forum regulars so that we all "know" them, but not everyone has time to come here all the time (except Tristan, who obviously makes time).

At the moment there are still loads of spaces free and we still don't have enough confirmed drivers for this to even happen, so at this point I can't see one of the organising bods turning people away.

[tristancliffe]

I turned people away at the start, thinking it was going to be as popular as last time, but that isn't the case (I think a lot of people have issues with July 1st, a date I didn't choose by the way). So yeah, as long as they do actually play LFS a fair bit (so we can chat to them about it), even if it's just the demo, then I guess it's okay.

I'd rather have the event go ahead with just 20 'licenced' people and a few demoers. than not go ahead at all (partly cos I've booked hotels and stuff, and others have booked days off work).

[Chris_Kerry]

Funds taken into account, I would be happy to pay a little more if it meant that we could still go.

[danowat]

If I get my motorbike before 1st July then I will go, ATM there is no way on gods green earth I am driving up there in my Skoda.............

Dan,

[ayrton senna 87]

no one expressed any preferance for date so i just chose july 1st...

[tristancliffe]

If I get my motorbike before 1st July then I will go, ATM there is no way on gods green earth I am driving up there in my Skoda.............

Dan,

I'll probably (and I must stress probably, not definitely) have a space in the car free. Not much space, but a sort of seat sized area and a slice of boot. You're more than welcome to hitch a ride. I don't talk as much as I post. Honest.

[Shotglass]

looks pretty grim for me atm ... seems like i cant crash at my friends place and flight + hotel would be rather expensive

[danowat]

I'll probably (and I must stress probably, not definitely) have a space in the car free. Not much space, but a sort of seat sized area and a slice of boot. You're more than welcome to hitch a ride. I don't talk as much as I post. Honest.

Cheers Tristan, if the bike isnt sorted by then I'll take you up on the offer if you have the space :nod:

Dan,

[Decibel]

I'm getting tempted to put my name down for this :scratchch

Trouble is, i'm no longer the testosterone fuelled, well toned, sprightly youth I used to be ! 35 years of hard labour down the mines since birth has put paid to that (ok, it's the fags, kids, takeaways and trying to make a living that have probably done it).

However, if I could join up with a couple of people my own generation, say 28 - 45, i'd be very tempted to take part (i'm not ageist or anything).

I used to work at an indoor karting track organising the races, doing the track walk, safety talk etc.. and we did a few outside events including twin engine outdoor stuff, so I have quite alot of karting experience (not ultra competetive stuff granted).

So, anyone willing to make up a team of old farts ?

C'mon, convince me :thumb:

[danowat]

Well, many of us from the last event were of the "older generation", myself included, I am 32.

Chances are I will be going someway or another, doing my DA motorbike test soon and should be getting my bike very shortly after that, failing that I might be able to bum a lift from Tristan.

I came last in the previous event, probably due to my size, but since then I have been hitting the gym in a big way, and lost at least 2 stone so I should be a tad faster next time ;)

So, if I go there will be at least one from your generation.

Dan,

[tristancliffe]

Not sure about a team of old farts, but there will be old farts there (unless they've lied about their ages), so don't fret. As long as you still have the strength to press the pedals in your weary legs then you'll be fine.

Also, can you handle your drink afterwards? :D

[Chris_Kerry]

Also, can you handle your drink afterwards? :D

No I can't, is that a problem :D

[Smax]

Not sure about a team of old farts, but there will be old farts there (unless they've lied about their ages), so don't fret. As long as you still have the strength to press the pedals in your weary legs then you'll be fine.

Also, can you handle your drink afterwards? :D

I'm 35 but since I stand 6 feet 7 and weigh 17 1/2 stone me and these little toy kart things don't mix so I'm gonna hold a camera for the day.....however I can handle my beer ;)

Turn up...the more of us "old farts" there are around to show the kids the way the better :pillepall:thumb:

[ayrton senna 87]

no need to worry about being an old fart. tristan did pretty well last time!

the karts are twice as powerful as last time so weight is alot less of a disadvantage. i also hear that experience is as good as youth...

[Bob Smith]

Young scallywag :rolleyes:

[t1ger]

I am 31, and don't drink alcohol at all (go on, get the comments/shock out of the way now :)).

I will gladly team up with you Decibel, which means we just need one more! I see Dan is already in a team, but his teammate (Lippy) has not confirmed yet. Perhaps if he does not confirm, we can call ourselves a team?! We could call our team "The A-Team" as...that....is.....errr....from our era....!? :x

Waddya think guys? Possibly leave me out of the team name decision, eh!

Tim

[Simon Savage]

I did a young guns v old guys banger race in nascar 2003, the older guys won by a mile :huepfenic

[Lucasinio]

Sorry, but i will be unable to make it, got to take myh parents up to the airport that same day...:(

[Decibel]

Go on then t1ger, i'm in :thumb:

Thanks for the comments guys, I can see it's going to be a light hearted event but with a mildly competitive element (yeah right !) and i'm always up for a laugh.

I'll get a cheque in the post to you on Monday Tristan.

As for a team name, 'The Young Ones' is also from our era, but isn't wholly appropriate under the circumstances :) , so amusing suggestions on a postcard.

I look forward to seeing you all in person.

[t1ger]

Go on then t1ger, i'm in :thumb:

Thanks for the comments guys, I can see it's going to be a light hearted event but with a mildly competitive element (yeah right !) and i'm always up for a laugh.

I'll get a cheque in the post to you on Monday Tristan.

As for a team name, 'The Young Ones' is also from our era, but isn't wholly appropriate under the circumstances :) , so amusing suggestions on a postcard.

I look forward to seeing you all in person.

Excellent, you might want to PM Tristancliffe so that he knows you are confirming, then he can tell you where to send the cheque to.

Right what about another one?! Any takers?

Tim

[tristancliffe]

Decibels post noted. In a rush right now, so I'll send you my details tomorrow mate. Glad to have you onboard.

*adds another name to the cookie list*

[Chris_Kerry]

Tristan get me down as confirmed you whore. :P

[alexmason]

I'll go - I'll be with BobSmith and MadmanCZ

I've got the address off Bob, cheque on its way :)

[ArosaMike]

Mate..can you put me down as confirmed too. I'll get the cheque sent out in the next couple of days ;)

[Bob Smith]

Still only 22 confirmed? C'mon people, go to your teams site, make a thread there, just make sure everyone is aware. Last year the 20 places went so fast lots of people couldn't go who wanted to, now it seems the interest is reduced.

I've tried and got 2 people to come, trying to get a third (only so many of my mates play LFS or I'd try more ;)). None of the Dutch guys from MRNL seem to be able to make it (but they're welcome to prove me wrong), I'm done recruiting.

Now it's YOUR turn. :)

@Tristan: my cheque not arrived yet?

[tristancliffe]

I'll tell you on Tuesday - I'm going home then :D

[lippy]

Yes, you can confirm me for this event.

I am also in the "old fart" category. Do we get any special dispensation?

Travelling from Bath, if that helps anyone...

Lippy

[tristancliffe]

Old farts get first call on the disabled toilet at the event ;)

Back home now (no more Uni), and I've got a small pile of cheques here. I'll go through and update the first post with Checque Recieved for the relevant parties.

[mantis9]

Im finally back online! hoorah!
Ahem, sadly not able to make it this year, prior commitments.
You guys have a great time! Im sure you will :D

[Chris_Kerry]

For those wanting a bit of a track preview. http://www.whiltonmillkartclub.co.uk

For those wanting an idea of the track, there is track photos on the site. Zulu 1 and 2 looks good :)

[-Alex-]

Errm does the whole team have to be LFS players? My step brother isnt but he races karts. Also is there an age restriction? As he is only 17.

Thanks

Edit: Sorry just saw that there was another threat to post in. :(

[tristancliffe]

I had a chat with Will about this yesterday on the phone.

At the moment we don't have enough people to make the event go ahead as planned (though we can pay more and have 2 drivers per team, and thus more track time). Therefore it would be wise to open the meeting to other people, just to make up the numbers.

However, if they are kart racers then there is a good chance they will be too fast for most of us non-karters, which will lower the fun for everyone else. One solution would be to put proper kart drivers with the slowest LFS drivers, to cancel out any advantages/disadvantages.

Also, if they aren't LFS players how are they going to join in and socialise. We'll all be there chatting away merrily, but non-LFS drivers will just stand in little groups and not be part of it. Thus I'd much rather have genuine LFS drivers, even if they are just demo racers. But if a non-LFS driver pretends to be a demo racer (i.e. signs up here, or does a couple of laps in the demo so he can vaguely chat about it), does that make it fair.

It's a dilemma if you ask me. We need more people, but the whole point of this is for the LFS community, not 'pro' karters who've never played LFS.

Perhaps we can have a few opinions on this? Can anyone pursuade someone else to go? There are no age restrictions, as long as you can reach the pedals.

[Bob Smith]

Like I said the other day, I've got one more guy that's interested, waiting to get a decision from him. I might be able to get more, but they won't be LFS players, although they'd know people and would be up for chatting and stuff. They'd just shy away from in-depth discussions such as "what's your favourite circuit", "what line do you take on the ovaly bit on KY GP Long" and "my car does x instead of y, what z should I adjust in the garage?" Although all are welcomed to chip in to the "why is Bob so awesome?" discussion. :p

Perhaps more importantly, why are we struggling for numbers this time, is it the date, the lack of devs, or people are bored of Northampton (even though we've only been the once, and that was a different circuit).

[anttt69]

do u need 30 drivers before this event takes place?

[tristancliffe]

We need 30 drivers to have 10 teams (the minimum) of three drivers. But with less than 30 drivers some people can pay more and have a two man team. But I think 30 drivers would be the ideal minimum, up to a maximum of 48.

Last year we'd have had no problem with 48 drivers, so who knows why we haven't had the same response this year. Maybe it's just not 'new' anymore doing an UK LFS Karting meet.

[Bob Smith]

Last year we'd have had no problem with 48 drivers.
I dunno, we certainly made 20 no problem, and probably could have filled 30 spaces, but 48? I don't think that many people would have really commited to it. Plus we'd never have all got in that pub. :D

So what's the consensus? I suspect most people would be more than willing two drive as teams of two, but obviously the extra cost (another £30?) is obviously gonna put people off (although it's worth it!).

[Chris_Kerry]

It is difficult, I'd probably suggest keeping it the way it is. Although I'd not mind if we changed the teams to 2. I think it's a matter of that is what people signed up too originally.

How about adding a poll to this thread?

[ayrton senna 87]

it costs like £2 more than last year for a team of 3. and i doubt many people would want to drive for 1 and a quarter hours each to be honest.

[t1ger]

I want to go to this event so much that I would (and can!) put another £30 in and have a team of 2. However, we run the risk of scaring some people off if we make it a 2 per team event. Maybe we could make it a mix of 2 and 3 person teams? Or is this too unfair then? Its not as if anything is at stake, its only for fun after all!

I know in a 2 man team each driver will be driving for 1 and a quarter hours, but it doesn't have to be all at the same time, it can be 20-30min stints which should be OK.

I am sad that there is not the same interest as last year, and I am also sad that the Devs are not going, but I do not want this to put anybody off coming...

@tristan - lippy has confirmed but it is not updated in the first post!

Also there are potentially two other drivers in danowat (travel arrangements dependant) and bozo who I asked and is waiting to confirm his arrangements.

Other than that, I can do no more...except join servers and start asking random people if they are in the UK and want to come...

Tim

[ayrton senna 87]

yes, same as last year, drivers can choose how many people they want in their teams. the more teams the better! its more fun with 15 karts than 10.

Its no advantage to run 2 people, and unless u do a bit of excercise its a bit of a disadvantage, but believe me, driving these karts (which are alot faster than the indoor ones) is alot less demanding than the indoor ones. so definatly if people want only 2 drivers, thats fine.

even 1 driver would be ok. its up to u.
aslong as we get 10 teams then its worthwhile for the circuit.

[mantis9]

You know if it was a date I could make Id be all over this karting thingy, sidepants to, but he will be in France and Ill be in Southampton :shrug:

If anyone’s got the slightest inkling to go, just do it, I can almost guarantee it will be an immense amount of fun :nod: definately worth the hassle

[Decibel]

I want to go to this event so much that I would (and can!) put another £30 in and have a team of 2.

If you're still willing to be teammates Tim, i'll gladly put the extra £30 in too, so at least we have another team position filled. If there is a sudden rush at the end, then we'll just revert back to a 3 person team.

Cheers.

[t1ger]

If you're still willing to be teammates Tim, i'll gladly put the extra £30 in too, so at least we have another team position filled. If there is a sudden rush at the end, then we'll just revert back to a 3 person team.

Cheers.

Of course I am! Good stuff, thanks Decibel.

Tim

[tristancliffe]

I'm also happy to pay more and run a two man team. What do you say Jack?

hmmm, the batteries on my keyboard are running low...

[ayrton senna 87]

Guys, we have ONE more week to get 10 teams. We have 9 teams now, if everyone confirmed still comes. Thats 1 more team. COME ON FELLAS!!! if anyone else wants to be in a 2 man team then thats fine, we would have 12 teams if everyone did a 2 man. the more karts on circuit the better it is.

If you are on the 1st page but have not confirmed PLEASE PM Tristan to tell him if you can come or not.

Maybe tristan can update the 1st page with lippy and the new 2 man teams....

[Bob Smith]

I am willing to drive a 2 man team but unfortunately my team mates are not... so all three of us will be sticking together. :)

[anttt69]

it is a shame we have not got 30 drivers this time, unfortunately i cannot justify the extra expense of a two man team, so will be pulling out if we do not get 29 drivers coming to race .

sorry to let u down but i am unemployed at the mo :(

I will keep an eye on the thread to s ee what happens.

[mrbogeyman]

quick note for team dSRC:

michel is being replaced by Nick W as mike cant make it. ill get him to post here too.

[tristancliffe]

No prob, but please don't forget to send those cheques, as without a deposit from you we might turn up on the day and not have a booking.

I really don't want to make my address public knowledge, so if you can PM me, or any of the people who have already paid, you can get my address that way. You no longer need to write your username on the back of the cheque as I'm back in dreary Norfolk and get my post straight away.

I really hope you can come. The time has come to allow ANYONE to come, because I'd rather have an event with 90% LFSers and a few unknown strangers than no event at all. So if you know someone who wants to come please let me know by posting below. LFS players have priority, of course, but I will no longer be disallowing non-LFSers.

If you do get a non-LFSer to come, please make the play the demo (or let them play on your unlocked version if they come round) for an hour or two so we can chat about it :D

Take care all.

[Bob Smith]

OI!

MRNL
Bob Smith (CONFIRMED) [CHEQUE RECEIVED]
MadmanCZ (CONFIRMED)
alexmason (CONFIRMED)

I think you'll find I paid double for MadmanCZ - put that check received back! :nod:

[tristancliffe]

Whoops, must have pressed control-x instead of control-c. Sorry.

[Chris_Kerry]

Come on, guys. Only 23 people confirmed right now. Lets make sure this event takes place. Post in your forums, ask your mates, anything!

Tristan, the cheque is in the post.

[mrbogeyman]

sorry to leave it so late Tristan, I just re-read the first post and noticed that you need checks by this week :schwitz:

ill send mine tomorrow!

[tristancliffe]

Rubbish - I've been reading the 'get the cheques sorted soon' posts on the dSRC forum for the last week. Thanks for sorting it. Anyone got reserve drivers sorted, cos I really don't want to have to cancel/postpone this.

[mrbogeyman]

ya, i realised it was getting late, but not so specifically late :(

time flies when you don't do much :tilt:

[marcusv8thunder]

Hello there im Marcus, i would like to join you in the karting event, i can get the cheque to you by the end of the week. im a friend of Simon Savage and me and him often go karting together. me and Simon have discussed, and we would like to go together as a two person team which would help numbers etc. also V-max have said that they are willing to potentially join together. Would Chris and tux be able to afford becoming two Simon says? if so that would be great :-) but if they cant he would still stick with them as he joined them first.

However im still willing to go if that cant happen and who would i be put with?

[Chris_Kerry]

Well I think I'd be alright to go to a 2 man team, but I've handed my notice in at work today and I think they are going to claim some money off my final paycheck due to me using a load of holidays. Therefore at this time I can only say "I think".

I'll let you know asap.

[tristancliffe]

By all means come along. I'll PM you my details now.

Will, if you read this, I'll chat to you on MSN after work.

[Simon Savage]

Well I think I'd be alright to go to a 2 man team, but I've handed my notice in at work today and I think they are going to claim some money off my final paycheck due to me using a load of holidays. Therefore at this time I can only say "I think".

I'll let you know asap.

jeez chris hope you get another job soon, ive been wanting to quit mine for ages but will finally when i go to uni.

How many 2 man teams/ extra teams will we need until we have enaugh money?

[tristancliffe]

It's not money that's needed. It's teams. We need 10 teams (although we can have more than that if it was popular enough)

That could be made up of 10 three man teams (30 drivers)
Or 10 two man teams (20 drivers)
Or a combination (say 3 two man teams, and 7 three man teams).

I haven't looked, but MAYBE we can juggle the existing teams about a bit so that the rich people who can afford two man teams go together, and the less-rich people wanting three men teams can group together? The downside is that LFS teams might be able to go together in this format, but is that a big problem at the end of the day??

As for two-men team having an advantage (through less driver swaps) I don't think it'll help much. You might spend less time in the pits, but you'll spend longer on the track, and so you'll be a lot more knackered. If people want we could have a minimum number of driver swaps, so two men teams just have more stints rather than longer stints?

Feedback people - let's work together to keep this show on the road. I'll be running a poll in the near future (maybe just after the event) to find out ROUGHLY what time of year would be best to hold this event in future. It seems as though the chosen date, July 1st, isn't ideal for a large proportion of people. But that's for next year (or this year if we postpone :().

[tongey]

I havent spoken to Mark or KayJay about this, will do tomorrow, but I
think we would want to stay as a 3 man team for
Sonicrealms Racing

:)

[marcusv8thunder]

How is _tux_ about me and simon joining a team togther, if you are ok then vmax and me, can be split to make two team, if _tux_ is ok about it. what do you think _tux_?

[mrbogeyman]

5 more people needed!

come on people :nod:

[tristancliffe]

Maim people if you have to, just bring them along (and FORCE them to play LFS if they haven't, so we can chat).

Skilled karters will be penalised, probably by pairing them with a slow driver(s) so we don't have runaway teams due to experienced people.

Currently winning the prize for neatest writing goes to Chris Kerry. However, judging by the cheque I'd guess his parents wrote the envelope, so he's disqualified :p

[mrbogeyman]

Currently winning the prize for neatest writing goes to Chris Kerry. However, judging by the cheque I'd guess his parents wrote the envelope, so he's disqualified :p

I typed and printed my letter/note...but I guess you will see my messy handwriting on the envelope and cheque :tilt:

[Chris_Kerry]

Main people if you have to, just bring them along (and FORCE them to play LFS if they haven't, so we can chat).

Skilled karters will be penalised, probably by pairing them with a slow driver(s) so we don't have runaway teams due to experienced people.

Currently winning the prize for neatest writing goes to Chris Kerry. However, judging by the cheque I'd guess his parents wrote the envelope, so he's disqualified :p

Girlfriend mate, Girlfriend! They come in use sometimes.

[marcusv8thunder]

Tristancliffe, if its 10 teams you need, then if me and Simon Savage join together, then that makes 10 does it not? so you would be sorted unless there's further complications. So as long as the 2 remaining at vmax are happy then, problem solved? :thumb: :scratchch

[tristancliffe]

Well spotted!!!

I've gone through, and assigned unassigned people to random teams, so I think:

1. We have 10 teams
2. People who want/need 3 man teams have them
3. People who want 2 man teams have them.

Downside: Some of you might not be in the team you had hoped for.

Someone pester AndyC. Who has his phone number? Someone must do. Or MSN? Get an answer out of him, it might all hinge on him.

Now, some of you might be thinking that's not fair, or I wanna be in x team. Well, to be honest, I don't give a flying flubber which team you're in. I'd quite like to be in a two man team (though I'd also like to be with Jack, and he needs a three man team to justify it so I'm happy with that), so maybe on the day we can swap and share team mates around as long as people are happy and we maintain 10 teams.

But:

I THINK THE EVENT IS ON!!!!

Feel free to carry on recruiting and sending cheques. I'm gonna tot up the cheques in a minute, and see how many more I need to make the deposit the necessary amount.

[Chris_Kerry]

Well that's great news. Although I'm slightly disappointed at the seemingly lack of general interest and commitment. I'm sure it will come together.

[dUmAsS]

no devs?

[tristancliffe]

Nope sorry, they said they can't make it this year. Hopefully they'll do the honourable thing and put a couple of extra hours into LFS development instead :p

As Tim says below, the devs not coming is disappointing, but we can't have it our way every year, and their presence was only a small part of last years success and fun. If you assume that last year was 100%, then without the devs it'll still be 95%, and thats before you take into account the increase track time, the better track, the better (faster) karts and (hopefully) the better weather. And you each get a cookie. What more could you reasonably ask for.

[t1ger]

no devs?

Didn't you mean:

?sved on!?!

Seriously, no devs, Victor has informed Tristan that they are not going to make it this year. Which is sad :(

But please please please do not let this put anybody off coming - it will still be a great event! :thumb:

Tim

[dUmAsS]

Seriously, no devs, Victor has informed Tristan that they are not going to make it this year. Which is sad :(

unacceptable...

so whos the designated driver for after the race? the lack of devs will have to be made up somehow :D

[Decibel]

... And you each get a cookie...

I'd just like to confirm something before I ask for my deposit back ...

Do the 2 person teams get 50% more cookies per driver than the 3 person teams ? Seems only fair to me :scratchch

PS. Can't wait for 1st July :nod:

[marcusv8thunder]

Thats great tristancliffe! cheers for assigning me and simon to a team

ill get that cheque to you soon as!

[tristancliffe]

Don't call me tristancliffe, that's just a username. It's Tristan. We're all friends as I see it, and it's not like I'm hiding behind a pseudonym. Maybe it's rude or complacent of me, but I don't feel comfortable being called tristancliffe :p

As for cookies... No, it's one each, but I'll take a bite out of yours for asking questions :p

[Bob Smith]

So, if we get just one more person (I've more convincing to do this weekend), will they still be able to race? I mean, will they fit into an exisiting team by turning one of the 2 man teams back into a 3 man team? Or will it be a pointless excercise unless we get 3 more people?

[tristancliffe]

I think we'll manage, so just get as many people as you can really. If people don't go now it's their loss, not ours.

[marcusv8thunder]

lol! ok Tristan. Tristan from now on. As for the cheque... it been sent so, keep me informed PM me or something, you should recieve it thurs, or fri.:thumb:

[ferret]

Tristan,

Would it be OK if another member of our team (SR) came along?

That would mean 4 of us would attend, which could equate to 2, 2 man teams.

I also have another possible person who would be interested if his money situation is Ok - TBA

Would he be able to come? that would then mean 5 of us, so a 3 man, 2 man team would be possible.

We all play LFS so there are no 'friends' in this list, all team members.

I know it's late in the day and would understand if they could not come along, but if numbers are needed then we may be able to help.

To sum up - We have 1 definite who wants to come and 1 who is unsure (will know by weekend).

Thanks, looking forward to the event :)

[Bob Smith]

Yep, I'll know for definate by Monday if I'll be able to get any extra people to come along.

[tristancliffe]

Sure. I'm going to send off the cheques I have (hopefully enough of a deposit for the event, I don't actually know), so I'll let you know if I need further cheques sending (until I say, assume I do need them).

As for more people, yeah bring them along. The more the merrier. I think we're all mature enough to adjust teams if it turns out one person is teamless or something, so I'm not evn remotely concerned by it. If the worst comes to the worst I'll pay twice, and be in two teams, and make sure the teams change drivers at the same time :p :razz: :knackered:

[tristancliffe]

Another cheque in the morning post, this time dSRC Ed's. And I got a PM from someone yesterday referred to me by Bogey, so that's another one. Plus the 3 or 4 people that might be joining us thanks to a late but fruitful recruitment drive by other antendees.

So I think it's safe to say that nothing can go wrong now. Book your hotels, arrange your transport, and reserve your beer money, cos we're going Karting.

Right, I'm going to phone Will (his PC is broken again, and he can't view this thread which explains why he's gone quiet, so if you want to get in touch with him or are awaiting a PM reply let me know and I'll forward it to him) and get everything fully confirmed.

See you there,
Tristan

[ayrton senna 87]

hi guys, my computer has been broken for a week and ive managed to use a comp at work. we have enough people, YAY!

I have phoned up the circuit manager and i have CONFIRMED THE EVENT FOR JULY 1st.
we definatly can go karting now, hopefully now we will gain a bit more momentum as regards a few more people.

sweet as

[t1ger]

Is the CyberSeat motion simulator thing going to make an appearance this year? I know it went last year, and I appreciate that it was an indoor event, but there might be an indoor area this year that we could use.

Has it been thought of or checked or is it just not coming?

Anybody know?

Tim

[ayrton senna 87]

I dont believe it is coming, there is an indoor area but i doubt that many people who play the simulator at the karting event would actually buy one.

they could use it for research tho..

[ayrton senna 87]

OK fellas only 20 days to go. Like i say, ive confirmed the event so it will definatly go ahead. We need to get the cheques in now. so for everyone who is on the 1st page and isnt confirmed, or is confirmed and hasnt sent a cheque... SEND IT NOW!!

to anyone looking at this, its great fun and well worth your time/money to come along and meet fellow LFSers, so come along!

[Simon Savage]

any chance of that helmet cam thing coming back?

[Smax]

Unfortunately the bullet cam we were intending to use fell off the front of the Elise my mate failed to tape it to securely enough and went underneath it halfway around Donington. Needless to say it doesn't work very well any more.

It seems unlikely we can get another, so at this point the answer is probably not from us.

[ayrton senna 87]

marcus simons m8, i asked stuttering sam about u at whilton and he says u are very posh :D u will get on well with tristan.

[Simon Savage]

aaaahahahahahhahahhahaa

[anttt69]

Good news I now have an entire team (me & two others). yay :D

should boost the numbers a bit. How do I get addy to send cheque to?

[Smax]

Send private message to Tristan Cliffe [see first post in this topic]

[ayrton senna 87]

i wonder if tristan is still alive, i have sent him litterally billions of PMs. i must have broken his internet cable with all of my posts going down it.

[travbrad]

Man, i really wish i didn't live in America now. :( Have fun guys :)

[Ryanry64]

i wonder if tristan is still alive, i have sent him litterally billions of PMs. i must have broken his internet cable with all of my posts going down it.

He was at Silverstone today...and I think he actually works (:pillepall) these days as well. :scratchch

[Decibel]

Unfortunately the bullet cam we were intending to use fell off the front of the Elise my mate failed to tape it to securely enough and went underneath it halfway around Donington. Needless to say it doesn't work very well any more.

It seems unlikely we can get another, so at this point the answer is probably not from us.

I have a suitable camera but no portable recording equipment. Is it of any use if I bring it along ?

[tristancliffe]

I'm still alive Will!!! Was away for a long weekend, so no replies. Will write a replay to them now.

[tristancliffe]

Two more cheques recieved today: One from Marcus, and one from a P R Lipscombe. Is that you Lippy, or is it someone else? I thought I ought to check before assuming someone has paid when they haven't.

We now have £320 of deposits (16 people, 13 cheques), so I think we now have enough to send off to Whilton. Therefore, if you haven't sent your cheques then don't bother. If they are in the post already don't worry, I won't send them off until tomorrow, so they have another day to arrive.

See you all there, and I think it'll turn out to be a great, fun event.

[danowat]

Got the date for my bike test, 28th June, cutting it bloody fine, but if I pass I am there!.

Dan,

[marcusv8thunder]

Lol! im not posh, Sams a bit odd to be fair. Sams a thug so anyone seems posh to him. He ment to be a plumber, or training to be anyway, however he still doesnt know which way is tighten or loosen as a result 2 weeks ago he flooded the kitchen next to race control! we mocked for a long while.

Anyway how do u know about him u work there like me, or his friend? please explain cos its interesting (small world!)

[Smax]

I have a suitable camera but no portable recording equipment. Is it of any use if I bring it along ?

If you have a bullet cam then hell yeah bring it ;)

I've no doubt I can rustle up a handheld mini DV from somewhere, to plug it into.Please bring its cables, and if you have a microphone for it then please bring that too.

Cheers mate.

[Chris_Kerry]

Ok, So I'm going to book my train tickets down to Northampton this week.

Virgin Trains seems the cheapest option from Derby, but I haven't got a clue what I have to buy. I don't use the trains much.

If I buy an open return ticket (£29), does that mean that I can travel on any train back to Derby or will it have to be specific trains. I've got no problems setting the journey to Northampton, I have to go via Birmingham, Rugby and Nuneaton for the 3 stop version or just Birmingham and Rugby for the 2 stop. It's the return journey I'm struggling with.

The reason I'm thinking of getting a open return is in case any of us stop around on the Sunday. What are people thinking of doing?

[Smax]

As long as you don't blatantly take the p*ss you can ride any train or that's heading in remotely the right direction, unless it's one that offers a different type of service to what's printed on your ticket.

P.M me before you buy a ticket I'm coming down from Derby too, I'll see if I can fix you a lift down, although I'm likely to be coming back on the Saturday night, so I doubt I can help you out on the way home.

[Chris_Kerry]

As long as you don't blatantly take the p*ss you can ride any train or that's heading in remotely the right direction, unless it's one that offers a different type of service to what's printed on your ticket.

P.M me before you buy a ticket I'm coming down from Derby too, I'll see if I can fix you a lift down, although I'm likely to be coming back on the Saturday night, so I doubt I can help you out on the way home.

Right ok, thanks. Thinking about it I'd just ask someone at the station and I'm sure they'd help. About getting down, I'll see sooner to the day but I have no problems using the train to get down. Bit of an adventure... I don't get out much :P

[ayrton senna 87]

i used to work there, i still do kinda, and i race there on race weekends

[marcusv8thunder]

Aryton senna 87, what ur real full name then? did u work on the "Big Track" or the "Small Track"? :scratchch

[ayrton senna 87]

I used to work for both when it was all 1 unit, but unfortunatly i crashed a rage buggy very hard and caused lots of damage, so Ian doesnt like me, and i dont like pete and i find the little track boring. so now i work on the big track with dan parker. Black Cat are crap. I was in the other day driving the karts on the little track for sam

i used to test karts for them, and marshall but i stopped over the winter period and havnt worked since.

my real name is will dendy and u can usually see me in a 2 stroke. crashing.

lol only jokin about that, i used to have a repuation... got rid of it now :D

[Bob Smith]

As long as you don't blatantly take the p*ss you can ride any train or that's heading in remotely the right direction, unless it's one that offers a different type of service to what's printed on your ticket.
I found it depends on the train company / how seriously the old geezer checking tickets takes his jobs. I was forced to buy a second ticket on Friday when I went from London to Newcastle on the same route but an hour earlier. Bas***ds.

So watch out, you could get stung.

[marcusv8thunder]

How funny, and intresting, one unit eh? must of been a while back then? good old rage buggies where did u crash it to produce so much damage? anyway ill look out for the flying mistro! in a TKM? if not ill see ur stuff on the 1st!

(For anyone) what karts wil we be using is it the twin 4 strokes?
if so they are new for this year, i was involved in taking them off the truck its amazing how many u can fit in one lorry! so hopefully still reasonably equal

you must know Chris York then?

[keiran]

if so they are new for this year, i was involved in taking them off the truck its amazing how many u can fit in one lorry! so hopefully still reasonably equal


I wouldn't say that quite so soon :p my old local club got some new pro-karts not long ago. The first one I jumped into the front hub was so badly bent that it was pulling to one side all the way down the stright and vibrating viloentley :p couldn't even begin to imagine doing 2 hours in that :pillepall:razz:

Keiran

[ayrton senna 87]

chris york is a legend. i used to race against him when i was a noobie in TKM! and work with him. i didnt like him at first, but hes a legend now!!!

about the rage buggy, chris well tell u about that but heres my story...

I was drivin it back and i couldnt decide weather to go left or right of one of the poles near the national, i decided to late and sideswiped it and took it out of the ground. i put the buggy back and hoped no1 would notice. a few days later i got a call from Ian and i was like SHIT and i had to go and be 'severly reprimanded infront of my mother'

lol..... so pete dont like me.. Im testing with my m8 on wednesday 21st, then along with tristan on sat 24th, both in senior TKM. might see u there then.. im number 28. (well on sat tristan will be)

and yea the karts are really even, Dan Parker and Chris maintain them really well. so theres only a tenth or 2 difference!! apart from the tyre wear is different on some of them

[Simon Savage]

I havnt driven the track since 2005 i dont know how an earth im going to beat you or tristan with all the practace your getting.

[mrbogeyman]

Practice! Thats cheating!

[tristancliffe]

To be fair this TKM thing was arranged before the LFS karting meet was sorted (edit: even mentioned). It was when I got the F3 car on the runway over Christmas, and Will said I should come and try his kart. I offered to try and get him a go in the F3 car but he turned me down for some reason (he values his health and his wallet). It's not sneaky practice (though of course it won't do any harm). And I'm paying as much to do it as I am for the LFS meet, and thats just to cover Will's costs. There is also a £35 noob fee. So it's not a quick practice to gain an advantage, it's an expensive way of testing a proper 2-stroke kart which just so happens to be at the same track (cos it's local for Will).

[ayrton senna 87]

lol everyone has to pay the £35 noob fee, but members are £25.. its rediculous....

And tristan lol! im takin driving lessons now so maybe once i have passed we could sort something out ;)

[ayrton senna 87]

17 days :D

Will be good, and hopefully weight is less of a disadvantage per kilometer here than at GP, although since the track is twice as long the lap times will be about 0.2 0r 0.3 slower per 10kg, about the same as GP (per lap).

if u know what i mean

[_Rob_]

Ok, so as long as there isn't people weighing 50kg less then my 85ish, I'll be ok :D

[ayrton senna 87]

by the looks of it clownpaint is about 55-65kg, im 71kg, so u wont be far off!!

Tristan is about 45 tho, hes lost alot since the last event.

PS if i hit anyone its because u have annoyed me in LFS!!

[tristancliffe]

This is the last picture of me. I'm trying to put on weight now, as apparently this is just silly (nearly typed willy!!!)

[ayrton senna 87]

i think u need to put the food IN your mouth to eat, not just hover it over.. (see pic) (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2554&d=1130102018)

never mind, atleast u will be RAPID on go karts :D

lol lovin the stick man :D

[keiran]

Tristan weighs less than me :o I thought I was light considering I needed like 25kg of lead weight added to my kart to bring me up to the weight limit :p I'm 50kg.

Keiran

[ayrton senna 87]

im kinda glad u aint comin then LOL

[tristancliffe]

I actually weigh between 75 and 80kg ;)

[ayrton senna 87]

whoa u put on weight quick :p

tristan im likin your team of 'pros' lol, will be very competative this year

EDIT - That werent a piss take

[tristancliffe]

You know, I have no recollection of putting ant in my team. Not that I mind or care who I'm with, I just don't remember.

[Simon Savage]

I am 8 stone, no joke!

[mrbogeyman]

ok, so it sounds like this is the anorexic karting tour!

[ayrton senna 87]

Atleast the after race meals will be cheap :shrug:

[Bob Smith]

Meh, I'm close on 90kg (and on the wrong side of it too) - gotten heavier since last time. I keep racking up the miles on my pushbike but I've a sweet tooth and a monstrous appetite. Oh well.

On the plus side, free cookies at the event. :D

[_Rob_]

Perhaps a few extra pies yes, but there's something called muscle too ;)

[tristancliffe]

Not on Bob there isn't.

/me hopes people forget about the free cookies.

[Simon Savage]

haha im 51kg, it does not help me in certain corners though i end up sliding a bit especially in the medium and long bends.

[keiran]

haha im 51kg, it does not help me in certain corners though i end up sliding a bit especially in the medium and long bends.

It will help you a heck of a lot when accelerating :p You need to try make sure you don't bog down the Pro-kart because those little 4 strokes struggle to regain momentum :p That's why the few shots I've had of prokarts I fly past people down the straights :D

[mrbogeyman]

but there's something called muscle too ;)

you wish! :thumb::nod:

[_Rob_]

Pff, playing defense in a hockey is a good way to get larger legs, and lots of manual labour on a building site is good for overall strength, so sshh you :p

[ayrton senna 87]

whoa calm down fellas dont wanna let this get nasty on the track!!! cool it lol (joke)

Tristan, I got all of the cheques and im going to give them to dan on Wed 21st. cheers m8

[keiran]

You should all have to wear name tags above your helmets like in LFS :p

Will's tag would be : Mouse n00b

[_Rob_]

We're just playing Will :D
Bogey's a good friend :)

[tristancliffe]

I'll bring the silly suction cup ears again :p

[ayrton senna 87]

cool it lol (joke)

omg tristan u have to bring the dog ears!!

[Bob Smith]

Not on Bob there isn't.
I haven't done any weights training in 9 months now, so it is fading a bit (not that I ever got big anyway)... the new fat I've grown just hides it. :p

And I'll share some of the fluids from teh holy hipflask if you get me a cookie. :D

[ayrton senna 87]

14 days to go fellas!!

tristan, shifty says he can come for sure

[tristancliffe]

At least I'm not planning on sleeping on his floor this year!

[Madman_CZ]

Heh Bob, we all know ur just a fat b*****d :D .... and if there are any cookies at the event well the're ours muhahahaha. Will need to keeep Bob away from them!!!!

Your our heaviest team member too!!!

who ate all the pies bob.. or in your case cookies!!!! :p

[tristancliffe]

Okay, Bob can be removed from the 'Cookie List' if I get enough votes.

tristancliffe voted to remove Bob Smith. Press 1 to vote.

[Chris_Kerry]

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[Chris_Kerry]

Tristan you've been had my friend.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=152792#post152792

[tristancliffe]

So I see. I would remove tristancliffe_is_batty from the cookie list, but he probably lacks the intelligence to eat one anyway. I can't wait to see how this develops. I bet he thinks I'll be annoyed or scared, but to be honest it's nearly as hilarious as the stupid ricer turbo mod I'm doing at work.

[ayrton senna 87]

ok fellas ive given all your cheques in today and its all sweet

unfortunatly for me, ive busted my ribs BADLY in testing today, so i cant drive a 2 stroke kart for 2 months, and i may even be unable to do the race on july 1st if i find my ribs are too bad in the practise session..... :(

[Bob Smith]

Madman, just remember what you looked like 5 years ago. Quite the tubby, eh? OK, so now I'm the fat one. But I like my cookies. Everyone has to eat crisps around Madman and go "mmm mmm", and dribble (a shame TAA can't make this one). :D

@Will - bah.

[Madman_CZ]

LOL Bob... they say the best way to defend is to attack.... So, u traying to say i have a crisps problem?

and me being tubby 5 years ago can be looked at as being due to body growth :p while you are now beyond the fase of really growing (well apart from sideways) :razz:

[Bob Smith]

Hey, my arse is growing backwards too you know. :)

Anyway some Geordie bird called me slim the other weekend, so I wear it well. ;)

[ayrton senna 87]

went to the doctor today

ive cracked a rib and i have to be off work for a week.

BOLLOCKS :grumpy:

[tinyk]

went to the doctor today

ive cracked a rib and i have to be off work for a week.

BOLLOCKS :grumpy:

oh my goodness. I hope you heal fast and don't hurt too much. :(

~*~*~*tinyk~*~*~*~

[Simon Savage]

Man thats bad luck Will still would like to see you at the meeting maybe try the practace session and if it hurts too much then dont race.
Or race for a shorter time than the others, would be a huge shame if you couldnt come :-(

didnt DC race in spain with two cracked ribs? not saying its a good idea though, he was a loony for doing it.

[ayrton senna 87]

yea, i would race with it, it would hurt but i could still drive (with very bad concentration around right handers) but if i dont let it rest i wont be able to return to 2 stroke racing, and thats my main priority. Also i might have a condition which could give me a collapsed lung if im not careful.....

im gunna be bored with my week off work but ill deffo be along to the meeting.

[ArosaMike]

Damn...so that's one less on our team then :(

[ayrton senna 87]

maybe one less, i could pack the seat with foam and see how it goes. pro karts dont skip, and thats what does the damage. ill probs do praccy and see how it goes... man it sucks :S

[_Rob_]

Wondered what had happened when I saw you sign into MSN with 'cracked rib'....nasty stuff, hope it gets better soon!

[ArosaMike]

Have you got my cheque yet Tristan? Should arrive at your place soon as I sent it earlier in the week :)

[ayrton senna 87]

he has m8

[ArosaMike]

You two got a telepathic link or something :P...Glad he's got it ;)

[ayrton senna 87]

he was in my house when i typed it :)

he was testing my 2 stroke

EDIT - Hes already famous lol, check him out
http://www.karting1.co.uk/news/

[tristancliffe]

Yup, Will just posted what I said. I have your cheque sitting on my desk at work.

TKM's - where to start...

Firstly - my car isn't big enough for all the stuff (like a kart trolley).
Secondly - the chassis is, to quote Will "f*****g badly f****d up"

So we arrive at Whilton at about 9am. We then, using my tools and the jack from my car, proceed to build the kart up - wheels, sprokets, engine, chain etc. Getting is right took a bit of time, as I've not played with a kart before and Will's rib weren't doing him an favours.

Missed the first session as we weren't ready. Got out for the second 10 minute session. Bump started it with Will's friend, and off I went. It's so fecking quick. I've driven some fast cars in my time, but this was, relatively, the fastest thing yet. F1 drivers talk of thinking about the following corner rather than the one they are in, but I was still thinking about the last corner. I was reacting to the kart rather than predicting it. And it was oversteer city for me, although we later diagnosed it as aggressive steering inputs from me overloading the chassis and bucking the rear wheel in the air suddenly. I spun once after about 4 laps and stalled. Will was about to come and get me when I hopped out, lifted the back of the kart and started it by myself. A few laps later, maybe 3, I spun again but this time on an uphill bit. I tried to start it, but it didn't catch, tried again and my legs collapsed. I was so tired, not just physically but mentally too, but I hadn't realised until the adrenaline started to wear off...

So endeth the first session.

We then missed the next session as Will and Mickey left to pick up a trolley, leaving me to struggle with the chain tension with the kart balanced on a car sissor jack. I succeeded, sort of (it was a bit tight), but considering the kart fell off the jack twice trapping my arms underneath the chassis/engine (yes, both arms, and lifting is really hard with your hands palm down underneath something like that whilst on your knees) I felt I did okay. I then had a quick snooze whilst I waited.

By the time they got back it was lunch, so we had a drink, chatted about what I was doing wrong (steering and braking mainly :p). Then we kicked the tyres and set off to the dummy grid for Mickey to have a session. He was okay once the tyres warmed up, and was keeping pace with some of them, but a wire came off the coil and he stopped in front of us. At least the kart was driveable, meaning the problems were caused by me.

Another 'break' then back to the grid for my second go. Only this time the head marshall decided he knew my face, and that I was an experienced karter, so he sent me to the front. Before my first go, without knowing what to expect, I was only a bit nervous. Now, at the front, with 25 karters 5 seconds a lap quicker than me behind me I was crapping myself. At the start I let as many through as I could, got barged off my someone who thought I was being slow on purpose, and spent the whole lap on the marbles. At the last turn of the out lap I got a big oversteer moment, overcorrected and went head first into a pile of woodchippings. Again Will thought it was over. But I leapt out, restarted (took two goes becase I missed the throttle pedal the first time :p) and carried on :D Three corners later I spun again, this time terminally as there was too much traffic for me to restart :( At this stage I was pretty convinced that instead of me being slow because of 90% me and 10% kart, the kart had got worse and was now the main factor. It was SO oversteery. Not even slightly like the first session.

Tail between my legs (although I didn't get heckled by spectators this time) I skulded off to the pits.

Third and final go - in the pits, this time back at the back where the pressure was off me. Started the kart, went off taking it easy to warm the tyres and get used to it again, and I spun by the third corner. Grrr, so I restarted AGAIN (getting good at this now), and carried on. Kart was still very very oversteery, even though I was being much less aggressive with the controls, but I was just about hanging on to it now (I'm still convinced something happened to the chassis between my first and second go, probably lifting it onto the trolley). Then the black/orange flag was waved at me, and I saw the airbox trumpet lying in the track - it had been knocked off as I jumped in whilst leaving the pits. So, tail even further between my legs, I headed slowly to the pits (but not so slow to oil up Will's engine).

So, it was overwhelming, tiring, embarrasing, fun and boring all in the same day. Did I learn anything from it - only to be more commanding of the brake pedal and smoother on the steering. Will it turn me from mid-grid karter to winner next weekend - no way, I'll be 0.2 seconds quicker than I was AT BEST, probably less than 0.1. Was it worth it (the day cost me about £130 once I paid Will £60 for engine expenses, travelled there, eaten and drunk, and got back) - probably not, but that's my fault. Would I go again - hell yes!

I just need time to get used to it. Prokarts are much much slower and are positively tame in comparison - it's actually a pretty poor example of what proper karts are about. I now have a bit more respect for karters than I did, although I'm convinced a lot of the engineering is done 'the way it's always done' rather than anyone daring to be different, and I'm sure I could think of one or two improvements given time and experience.

See you next week for the concluding episode of "What will Tristan hit this time when he spins".

Edit: Did I mention that the seat was about 10 sizes too small for me, and I had to sit diagonally in it to fit (which is why I look odd in Will's photos).

[ArosaMike]

I totally know what you mean when you talk about the acceleration. I remember laughing outloud in my helmet constantly for 3 laps the first time I drove one :P People who aren't karters scoff and smirk when I tell them that 2 stroke karts are fast, but in all honesty, the only car I've ever driven that felt the same was an Elise 111R.

I was amazed just how different a TKM was to the pros I'd only driven before. The throttle response was instant (resulting in some rather embarassing spins the first time) and they require so much more of a delicate touch than a Pro. You'll be pleased to know that you don't loose the ability to drive a Pro though :P They just seem insanely easy forever after! LOL

It's only now after 3 seasons of Club100 that I can honestly say I'm fully at home in a TKM and 'on the pace'. I've steadily improved by half a second every year until I was able to win my first race at Buckmore halfway through the season :P If you're anything like me....you'll get rapidly better just after you start driving them a lot....then you'll stop improving and it'll seem like you're never going to find the final few tenths. Then for some reason all of a sudden it starts to seem really easy and you can inexplicably go a hell of a lot faster :)

[ayrton senna 87]

its a shame that you didnt get those final sessions, because you didnt get a chance to try to be smoother, you hardly got any laps on warm tyres after the 1st session :(

like i said tristan, you can see how TINY things affect the chassis, and a broken bumper and a crack in the chassis is a MASSIVE thing that affects the kart a huge amount, so obviously it will do funny things, especially when you overdrive it.

it looked to me, like i said at the end of the day that the chassis crack got bigger. maybe it happened when we bumpstarted it for your session???? also, remember we pumped up the front right tyre, so that would lift the inside rear wheel more. im going to take the engine apart so i can see if it seized or something.

like i said on PMs when we were organising it, it would have been better to go on a wednesday. imagine how many sessions u could have done!

but u will be ALOT faster on pro karts. not 0.2, try 0.5, aslong as u are smooth and drive to the limit. u might not think so now but after u drive one and get out and see your times u will be surprised at how close to the leaders times u are.

maybe not close to midget mickey tho...