16h 2011 Question Thread

[XmaX]

I think there are some people who have some questions for this Event.
Here you are able to post them, maybe we can make is Sticky @ Admins.

So my first Question is:

When will be the Skintemplates available and what will they content?

[commandermas]

well as the registration has not opened yet, you won't need a skintemplate :)

when the registration page is ready, you can download it there and i will upload it here then

[xfirestorm]

Could you also post what is the final decission for the layout? I'm kinda confused on which the race is going to be. :Looking_a

[Mustangman759]

I believe its KY33

[commandermas]

it is this layout

[XmaX]

Will be there a Livestream or Livestreams...?
And are there Servers for training provided?

[Mustangman759]

I could have my team set one of our 11 slots up

[commandermas]

i will set up a server for training today

[XmaX]

Now the registration is open, so when we can expect a template?

[krkriv]

Will be there a Livestream or Livestreams...?
And are there Servers for training provided?
On open configs, livestream is not possible.

[Flame CZE]

On open configs, livestream is not possible.
I thought the only thing was to create custom cameras but I may be wrong.

[misiek08]

@krkriv - gratulations on your knowledge

@Flame CZE - of course but it's not only editing cameras. Some parts of open configs reports wrong nodes so better is to make new app.

[boothy]

@Flame CZE - of course but it's not only editing cameras. Some parts of open configs reports wrong nodes so better is to make new app.

:really: All cars in open configs have 0 as their node in the MCI packet, so unless you recreate TV Director using xyz co-ordinates, you can't follow the cars around the track.

[Nicce]

just wanna ask if its gonna be a lyt on the: exit from ky3r > ovalpart ?? (@ky2pitlane)


or its gonna be like it is atm during race ?

[XmaX]

The Final Layout is posted, so I think no more changes...

[kiste]

will we use the old templates or will there be new ones for the skins?

[commandermas]

as we have the same classes, the old templates are still the ones to use

here they are

[Masterboy19660815]

hey, commander, could I get the Templates in the .jpg. format?
I don´t use photoshop :P

[Mustangman759]

hey, commander, could I get the Templates in the .jpg. format?
I don´t use photoshop :P
you cna open them up in GIMP which is free

[Masterboy19660815]

I thought it wont work, Thanks ;)

[tesnaukki]

I see that there are already 63 teams, what is the maximum amount of teams in one server?
And how is the server cutting done?

[Mustangman759]

they run 2-3 servers for the event so shouldnt be much worry ;)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

You can also be sure that at least half of the teams signed-up so far will either collapse, disappear mysteriously, or withdraw.

AFAIK, the limit(per server) should be the LFS'(32), minus one for the Safety Car perhaps. Server limit used to be 3 in 2009 and 2010, but there were way less teams than available slots.

In the last races IIRC, teams were split evenly based on qualifying times and class(same amount of GTR, GT2 and NGT for each server).

[misiek08]

Best would be allowing unlimited team number to join. I know - they will need more admins but that race will be very interesting. 5 servers for each class and fuel/take over strategy will be very important.

[commandermas]

well even if we had an unlimited amount of teams allowed to join we wouldn't need more than 5 servers atm.

now there are 3 servers assigned and none of them is full.

i will try something. every team, wo wants to have more cars in one class sends me a pm with teamname and how many more cars in which class.

maybe i will change my mind about allowed team numbers again.

[theodinho29]

It's unlimited because It is impossible to see at this moment more than 90 cars involved... 3 servers full would be really terrible :D

[Masterboy19660815]

@the admin team:
IS this skin made right, or do I have to add sth.?

[nikosk31]

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[mc0676]

Can a team with 2 racers partecipate at the 16h ?

[TypeRacing]

Yes, but those racers must be S2 licenced.

[mc0676]

Sure mate, this's my second account. :D

[commandermas]

Can a team with 2 racers partecipate at the 16h ?

yes

[Masterboy19660815]

Where can i find the rules?

[commandermas]

most of the rules will be like 2010, just look here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=68516)

i will post all changes soon.

some changes:
you can drive alone again
teams can have 2 teams per class (except ngt: you can have as much teams as you want there)

[nikosk31]

May I have 16hours logo in a good resolution please so I could put them on the skin?
Thanx

[vicbel]

I have a couple of questions about cutting, the racing line and a suggestion for the layout.

How much cutting is allowed in the chicane entering the oval section where the old sleeping policemen used to be? can we get onto the grass?

Is it legal to use the apron on the oval section?

Regarding the layout I believe there is spot in the track where the tyres right on the apex of the turn make it very dangerous for this type of racing. The corner is the corner returning to the oval from the National section. If a car barely touches the tyres there it is almost immediately stopped causing a huge chaos if there are any cars close by. We recently ran a championship using that same corner and we had a different approach which allows for some scape routes in case of trouble. I am attaching a screenshot here for your consideration.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/575577/16hcorner.jpg

[commandermas]

i know that it could be dangerous there, but well you shouldn't touch the tires if you want to be fast. If you look at KY2, there are some dangerous tires to where you leave the oval and nobody complains because of that because you can't change it and thats the way with this layout too.

There are some spots on the track that could be dangerous, but i can't change all and some dangerous corners make it interesting.

Otherwise we could use KY1, because there are no dangerous spots.

[vicbel]

Ok cool

What about the other questions:

How much cutting is allowed in the chicane entering the oval section where the old sleeping policemen used to be? can we get onto the grass?

Is it legal to use the apron on the oval section?

[commandermas]

How much cutting is allowed in the chicane entering the oval section where the old sleeping policemen used to be? can we get onto the grass?

as much as you want, yes you can go onto the grass, it is allowed

Is it legal to use the apron on the oval section?

for normal racing line no, if you have to use it to prohibit a crash or to overtake fighting NGT more safely you may use it

[rododendron]

Hello guys, pls what about the training server? Is it anywhere ? Thx :)

[commandermas]

RacingMinds 16h 2011 Train

thats the name of the server

[nesrulz]

Where we can DL skins lyt for 16H race?
We need official skin for quali?

Qualifying Saturday, 8th October 12:00:00 UTC - Sunday, 9th October 22:00:00 UTC

What qualifications will be?

[nesrulz]

And, how drivers will be sorted by servers?

GT1 one, GT2 second and NGT third?

[CrAZySkyPimp]

What qualifications will be?

This means you can do your qualifying laps anytime you want to between that time.

And, how drivers will be sorted by servers?

GT1 one, GT2 second and NGT third?

All classes on same server, but on different servers depending on where you qualify.

[nesrulz]

This means you can do your qualifying laps anytime you want to between that time.



All classes on same server, but on different servers depending on where you qualify.

Cool. :thumbsup:
Unlimited (or?) number of laps in quali for servers?

[commandermas]

how many laps you can do will depend on several things, i will tell you, when i know, which servers you will drive on.

[vicbel]

how many laps you can do will depend on several things, i will tell you, when i know, which servers you will drive on.

I think he's asking about the number of laps we can do in qualifying.

Also, will there be any posting of the fofficial rules for 2011 (including the changes you've mentioned here and there)? or at least an official post with all the changes?

Does the driver who qualifies have to start the race? or can any other driver in the team start the race?

[commandermas]

i am sorry, i forgot to post all the changes. they will come asap.

the driver who did the qualification does not have to start the race.

[nesrulz]

I think he's asking about the number of laps we can do in qualifying.

Sure.

[troy]

My (german) Teammate can't connect to the 16h server by cargame anymore, it loads as usual but then gets stuck after it loaded all the trackobjects and on the server we just get "new guest failed to connect". He doesn't seem to be the only one either, earlier we also had some more people with the same message.

edit: And another one with the same message just now.

[phoenixIlooka]

got the same error, too
I tried about 20 times until I finally got a stable connection

[seniecka]

Maybe servers should be restarted before the session if some amount of people get this trouble :schwitz:

[cargame.nl]

Hmm this server is different from the server which cargame servers are running on, to avoid overload (actually its a faster one too :Looking_a )...

But... TCP settings where still on default... I noticed some errors in the log.

I think it will go better now. Configured Linux with same TCP buffer settings as the cargame mainserver.

.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

most of the rules will be like 2010, just look here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=68516)

i will post all changes soon.

some changes:
you can drive alone again
teams can have 2 teams per class (except ngt: you can have as much teams as you want there)

Will the 4 drivers limit stay for the race?

Increasing it to 5 or 6 might make it easier for everyone, especially when it comes to night shifts - just suggesting.

[commandermas]

didn't i say that somewhere?

well then to be sure i said it:

this year every team is allowed to drive with up to 6 drivers in the race

[Masterboy19660815]

is there anywhere a live-ticker?

[Toffer2006]

no there is no qualy live-ticker.

use the airio tracker on the server.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

didn't i say that somewhere?

well then to be sure i said it:

this year every team is allowed to drive with up to 6 drivers in the race

Thanks.

[bavorak]

I've just done two laps in Q and don't want to hotlap any more but is there a chance organizators would tell me if my fastest lap is valid before the qualifying session ends? I just want to be sure that I don't need to do any more laps and sleep well :)

[Toffer2006]

I've just done two laps in Q and don't want to hotlap any more but is there a chance organizators would tell me if my fastest lap is valid before the qualifying session ends? I just want to be sure that I don't need to do any more laps and sleep well :)

We dont check every replay.
So if you think your qualy lap was clear than you can go sleep:)
After Qualy we will check replays from a few driver...
so its your choice if you will do more laps.

[HL_Nano]

Is this rule (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=68516) remains for 2011??

3.2.8 Cars who missed the qualification may still participate in the race, but off the last position of their class.

[Il Nonno]

Livestream race...? :schwitz:

[commandermas]

Yes there will be a livestream as far as i know :)

and yes 3.2.8 is still active, but the qualification lasts more than 14 hours.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Yes there will be a livestream as far as i know :)

and yes 3.2.8 is still active, but the qualification lasts more than 14 hours.

Just curious, how will you guys achieve this? TV Director doesn't work on open configs.

Unless you plan to use default LFS cameras?

[Tomhah]

;1640947']Just curious, how will you guys achieve this? TV Director doesn't work on open configs.

Unless you plan to use default LFS cameras?

You will see :-)

[bavorak]

;1640947']Just curious, how will you guys achieve this? TV Director doesn't work on open configs.

Unless you plan to use default LFS cameras?
onboards all the time...they are most popular anyway ;)

[phoenixIlooka]

onboard is cool, needs to be used more often

[HL_Nano]

and yes 3.2.8 is still active, but the qualification lasts more than 14 hours.

Thanks!
Finally I could take part in the qualify.

:thumb:

[troy]

Are you really going to split 37 teams on 2 servers? That would mean only 18 drivers on one server, doesn't sound too good if you ask me.

[commandermas]

we are still thinking about what to do

but as there might be a number of teams who still want to participate the number still might increase

[TypeRacing]

I'd like to know how to have more than 32 cars on the track same time...
Ofcourse I'd like to have more than 18 cars on the servers too, but it's impossible to put all of the teams into one server. :tilt:

[troy]

I'd like to know how to have more than 32 cars on the track same time...
Ofcourse I'd like to have more than 18 cars on the servers too, but it's impossible to put all of the teams into one server. :tilt:

Well of course you could not drive with more then 32, but you could limit the amount of people in a class, which some people will complain about I'm sure, but I rather drive on a full server then a half empty one.

[kart-36]

I think take the top 3-4 from each class and put them into server 1, and the rest into server 2. Or smthing like that :D

[PMD9409]

I think take the top 3-4 from each class and put them into server 1, and the rest into server 2. Or smthing like that :D

So there is 9-12 cars in server 1, while 25 in server two? :D

Looking at the Q results, there is:
GT1: 14
GT2: 14
nGT: 9

Now I don't know how many are missing, but it can easily be seperated as:
Server 1: 19 cars
GT1: Top 7
GT2: Top 7
nGT: Top 5

Server 2: 18 cars
GT1: Bottom 7
GT2: Bottom 7
nGT: Bottom 4

Not full grids, but unless we had 30 or 60 cars, it was never going to be.

[kart-36]

So there is 9-12 cars in server 1, while 25 in server two? :D

Looking at the Q results, there is:
GT1: 14
GT2: 14
nGT: 9

Now I don't know how many are missing, but it can easily be seperated as:
Server 1: 19 cars
GT1: Top 7
GT2: Top 7
nGT: Top 5

Server 2: 18 cars
GT1: Bottom 7
GT2: Bottom 7
nGT: Bottom 4

Not full grids, but unless we had 30 or 60 cars, it was never going to be.

Good point :D Maybe top 6? :D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

but as there might be a number of teams who still want to participate the number still might increase

Some other teams might withdraw aswell.

[PMD9409]

Good point :D Maybe top 6? :D

Did you actually read my post or just quote it for the fun of it? :Looking_a

[kart-36]

Did you actually read my post or just quote it for the fun of it? :Looking_a

Fun :shy:

[vicbel]

I am hoping for at least 20 cars per server! There has to be some teams that did not make it to qualifying.

[prOmo_LTU]

admins,please check e-mail.

[Toffer2006]

admins,please check e-mail.

E-Mail was checked and in process.

[Flame CZE]

Is there going to be a thread with hi-res skins?

[commandermas]

you should upload it to our website, but i will create a skinthread too

[masterful]

It will Stream ???

[Tomhah]

Yes.

[vicbel]

i am sorry, i forgot to post all the changes. they will come asap.

the driver who did the qualification does not have to start the race.

Will the post with all the rule changes be coming soon? or did I miss it?

[vicbel]

Sorry about the double post.

I want to ask about racers' behavior on track specifically about passing and being passed between classes.

Usually in multi-class racing the slower car should hold the racing line when being passed by a faster-class car. Is this valid for this race as well?

[commandermas]

no you didn't miss it, but there are no changes for the race except the ones i already posted in the different topics.

you can drive alone and up to 6 drivers.
every team is allowed to participate with 2 cars in each class (except ngt where there is no limit)

about the lapping it is prefered that the slower cars stay on their line, but it might be possible that some teams let you pass otherwise, keep an eye on that.

[prOmo_LTU]

Importent e-mail sent to admins!

[HL_Nano]

I am hoping for at least 20 cars per server! There has to be some teams that did not make it to qualifying.

We don't run in the same server with you. :(

[bear21]

is there a photoshop file containing the 16h tag for our skins some where or something?

[troy]

psd files:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1619069#post1619069

[Hahmo]

I have sent an e-mail :thumbsup:

[kart-36]

Pretty disappointed with the grid layout, looks like it's just goin to be a tracker race.
Out of interest, why didn't you put the fastest 6-7 of evh class in one server and the rest in the other, atleast that way there will be close racing in both. Judging by qualy times it's not even going to be close for battles. :(

[Masterboy19660815]

I also want min. 7-8 onto a classes grid, anotherwise it´s going to be boring

[boothy]

Out of interest, why didn't you put the fastest 6-7 of evh class in one server and the rest in the other, atleast that way there will be close racing in both.

Because then you have people sandbagging to get in the lower split, like your former team :rolleyes:

[vicbel]

What are the names for the Race servers? I think that info was not part of the official email.

Also I assume Remote will be active on both servers. Right?

[commandermas]

i will post the servernames here later and they will have remote

[Metalass]

Sorry if its a stupid question, but i can't seem to find a way to upload the skin on the 16h website, as mentioned in the skin thread by commandermas -> quote: "just post your Skins here, but please don't forget to upload them to our website"

I am guessing its because i am not my teams leader on your website, and unfortunately all my teammates wont be online until today 12 utc to upload it. However i posted the skin in the skin thread, i hope thats works for you guys.

[commandermas]

Sorry if its a stupid question, but i can't seem to find a way to upload the skin on the 16h website, as mentioned in the skin thread by commandermas -> quote: "just post your Skins here, but please don't forget to upload them to our website"

I am guessing its because i am not my teams leader on your website, and unfortunately all my teammates wont be online until today 12 utc to upload it. However i posted the skin in the skin thread, i hope thats works for you guys.

its ok.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Because then you have people sandbagging to get in the lower split, like your former team :rolleyes:

It didn't prove to be a very good idea, did it?

[kart-36]

Because then you have people sandbagging to get in the lower split, like your former team :rolleyes:

That seems pretty shit :shrug:

[RRT RABBIT]

It's there gona be some tracker because i cant find it?

[Flame CZE]

It's there gona be some tracker because i cant find it?
http://16htracker.dms2003.org/ you have to refresh the page to make it load properly if you see an error page.

[Deutschland2007]

;1643152']It didn't prove to be a very good idea, did it?

It did, F1RST could drive an unchallenged race on server 3 in 2009.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

It did, F1RST could drive an unchallenged race on server 3 in 2009.

Indeed, but IIRC they lost a consequent amount of time with some funky barkmarkers, no?

[Flame CZE]

Could you change the tracker page charset to windows-1250? Because now with UTF-8 it causes trouble with some characters.

[CSF]

;1643201']Indeed, but IIRC they lost a consequent amount of time with some funky barkmarkers, no?

A funky 4th driver yes, but they had a minute or so lead at various points, even when I went to bed at 5 iirc.

[troy]

That doesn't mean that they wouldn't have the lead in server 1 too, times are close in the GT1/GT2 field so even if you would have the top 7 in server one you would probably get the same amount of battles in server two. I do think the class that suffers the most will be the NGT's, times are really far apart already in qualifying and we're the only team on pace in server 1, which will make this a tracker race for us.

edit: Thank you for the change of grids @admins, that is looking better already, now add SR to grid 1 too and we got 3 NGT's on pace in server 1.

[Metalass]

Where exactly can we find the rules? I read that its going to be roughly the same as last year, but still, where are they? :)

[commandermas]

take the rules of 2010, that are the ones we use this year except some minor changes i posted in multiple threads

[prOmo_LTU]

Protest thread?

[Toffer2006]

Protest thread?

send an e-mail 16hsupport@dms2003.org (http://www.lfsforum.net/16hsupport@dms2003.org)

[commandermas]

for those who are asking about the results, the final results will be released next weekend. We are currently working on protests and penalties for disconnects etc.

[d_cury]

take your time commander!!:thumb: