Formula1 Istanbul Park as a new Track?

[resat]

Dear Devs,

As you can remember, Istanbul/Turkey entered the Formula 1 Calender last year and here are some testimonials:

"This is absolutely going to be the best track."
Mr. Bernie ECCLESTONE

"It will be a very nice track. It is a bit strange to walk on the soil where the main straight will eventually be but we can see that things are shaping up. The amount of work that has been done in such a short period of time is very impressive."
Mark WEBBER / BMW Williams Team Pilot

"Excellent track. Can't wait the GP in Istanbul".
David Coulthard / Red Bull Racing Pilot

Few weeks ago we hosted the Le Mans race, DTM Race and MotoGP race at the same Circuit..

It would be great to see our circuit in Live For Speed because Istanbul Park is really a challenging circuit for racers..

I'm attaching the speed plan for our circuit and hope that you all will consider our offer worth evaluation...


http://www.formula1-istanbul.com/f1/images/speed-tr.swf


And here is the offical website for Istanbul Park:

http://www.formula1-istanbul.com/f1/en/


Thank you

[G.D.Matteoni]

:really: Seems that since the coming of a real car in the sim lot of people begin to ask for other real car/tracks..Why that guys?:pillepall
You can ask of SIMILAR track, with so much altitude changes, with more technical section (like on another thread present here) but no for Istambul track!
Because If you do so I can ask for Laguna Seca, another can ask for Nurburgring, some other for Imola, and why not Sepang, Monza or...all the championship tracks?!!??:D
:thumb: Let the devs continue their work without pushing them to think we need real track/cars, because that will only increase the number of people coming from racing games and not sim lovers..and reproducing a real track I think is expensive for licences.

[detail]

Istanbul Park would be a nice track, as many other real tracks. The question is if the track owners are negotiable.

[Qurpiz]

Why don't we have the current tracks finished before we start asking for new tracks?

I guess we'll have updates on Westhill and Kyoto at least, also Fern Bay might be updated as well.

[LFSTurkey]

Some of the race organizations on İstanbul Park.

Le Mans Endurance Series.

Moto Grand Prix

World Series by Renault

Formula 1

FIA WTCC
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We want to see "Istanbul Park" track on LFS :)

[Vain]

There are better tracks out there.
Of course I'd be all for this track, if we could get this track *and* other tracks. But we only have one track-designer and thus it's an this track *or* another track.
I didn't yet speak about license fees for such a track, but we know that discussion.

It's an F1 track. HOW BORING!!!
;)

Vain

[Ultay]

Of course i would like to see :smileypul Istanbul park very nice and challenging track, as many as the others.But,this is said, if we say a track's name which we like, other ppl want to say another track's name.I think, we need a track challenging like "İstanbul Park".Istanbul Park has rising up/down parts, fast and hard corners etc. hmmm.. if it can be , i would like to see "Istanbul Park".But i think a track challenging like Istanbul Park is more useful for everyone :shrug:

[ajp71]

Putting the real track issue aside. Istanbul is an extremely boring, wide modern track. Just like all new F1 tracks it is built for big single seaters and anything else will just feel lost on it. There are plenty of better tracks (real or fictional) than Istanbul/Indy RC/Sepang/Bahrain/China/Dubai etc.

[joen]

I really don't care for real tracks in LFS, in fact I prefer fictional tracks.
And most of the newer F1 tracks are indeed quite boring.
If you examine the tracks in LFS you will notice that a lot of turns are based on the ones in real tracks anyway.
I would like to see the existing tracks being completed first. Westhill should have more configs and I would definitely like Blackwood to be expanded.
So a no for me :)

[Becky Rose]

Track inclusion template:

Was it designed by Herman Tilker
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| \Yes - Boring, dull, unchallenging, samey, boring, more time spent on facilities than track design etc. etc. etc. NO!
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No - Does it have multiple configurations
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| \ No - Too much work for little reward
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Yes - Can LFS get a license to use the track
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| \ No - Take the great corners and put them in a fictional track
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Yes - Marvellous, but are we sure it isn't another Herman Tilker monstricity?
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| \ No - Don't risk it.
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Yes - I offered to make tracks for the devs, I put my team at their disposal, but they didn't reply so you'll just have to wait to see what they produce in house.

[Xenix74]

It would be very nice to have Real Tracks in Lfs but this ist too much Time Work for a little Team of Devs.
I think we can do this self if S3 is ready. Let the Devs do her Work to Complete this Game First.

But its always a nice Idea to Drive with >LFS Engine< on Real Worlds Tracks.:thumb:

[JTbo]

It is too wide and too fast/long straights so I would like to see some more narrow and twisty track with challenging set of corners, would be much more fun to race.

[Bluebird B B]

It is too wide and too fast/long straights so I would like to see some more narrow and twisty track with challenging set of corners, would be much more fun to race.

I just examined the track, there are a lot of corners, slow corners and some straits with an slow corner at the end for overtaking. I think it is just the type of track which is missing for the F1 car.

But i have to agree with others, there are more great tracks. But we really need a few tracks which are suitable for the F1 car.

But how can someone ask for more small twisty tracks in lfs? While nearly all tracks in lfs are already small and twisty :scratchch:scratchch Please explain

[JTbo]

I just examined the track, there are a lot of corners, slow corners and some straits with an slow corner at the end for overtaking. I think it is just the type of track which is missing for the F1 car.

But i have to agree with others, there are more great tracks. But we really need a few tracks which are suitable for the F1 car.

But how can someone ask for more small twisty tracks in lfs? While nearly all tracks in lfs are already small and twisty :scratchch:scratchch Please explain

Small and twisty is Fernbay Club and specially when running reversed configuration it is what I like, twisty track is not track that has one corner straight other corner straight, it need to be corner leading to another where you need to learn how to drive in corners, not acceleration contest as Blackwood is for example.

Also track need to flow, with this I mean that it is not brake turn accelerate, but more smooth, you need to carry speed over places.

In LFS only shortest tracks are twisty tracks, also there is only fernbay that has configuration that is narrow without walls right next to tarmac.

Of course tracks what I would like to see would not suit you as those would be quite impossible to drive with F1 car, if possible then not enjoyable as there is quite same if there is 800 or 300hp, some drivers will beat those monsters with even less power.

F1 tracks are almost all two times too wide, they have too much straight or then walls next to tarmac. Good tracks are found somewhere else, smaller sports, closer to hobby than profession are seen from these good tracks.

But I do think that anything over 200bhp in a car is too much, so you understand that my priorities are quite different from this F1 mania that is going on ;)

[Anthony]

I think Interlagos would be a neat track aswell.
http://www.trackpedia.com/w/images/6/6e/F1_big_Interlagos.gif
http://www.trackpedia.com/w/images/8/8c/Interlagosatellite.jpg
If you look on the second one, theres a kart track where we could put the MRT's/Karts (if we ever get any)

[ajp71]

You can't count how good or bad a track is by 'oh it's got some corners'. Tilker tracks have constant radius, maybe opening (NEVER tightening), lightly banked corners. Mostly loooooooooooooong straights to fit the latest flashy building symbolising of political correctness in then a few harpins. Great tracks like Mallory have nasty corners, maybe off camber, downhill, no run off area etc. The best tracks have almost flat corners rather than easilly flat corners.

And great tracks (the 'ring, Spa, Cadwell) actually have hills.

[Marty502]

The Istambul Park track is GREAT!

Yeah, designed by that sorry-ass excuse of a track designer called Hermann Tilke, but he did hit the nail on that one. The track has lots of overtaking spots, plus the 8th turn is gonna drive most people mad (it has FOUR apexes and in F1 cars they drive it flat out!)

It has NOTHING to do with the boring layouts of Sepang, Shanghai, or the new Hockenheim-Nurburgring designs. It's much better than that. :)

So it would be a good addition.

[duke_toaster]

Track inclusion template:

Was it designed by Herman Tilker
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| \Yes - Boring, dull, unchallenging, samey, boring, more time spent on facilities than track design etc. etc. etc. NO!
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No - Does it have multiple configurations
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| \ No - Too much work for little reward
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Yes - Can LFS get a license to use the track
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| \ No - Take the great corners and put them in a fictional track
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Yes - Marvellous, but are we sure it isn't another Herman Tilker monstricity?
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| \ No - Don't risk it.
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Yes - I offered to make tracks for the devs, I put my team at their disposal, but they didn't reply so you'll just have to wait to see what they produce in house.

The only problem with tilke tracks is that there are too long straights. Not all of the tilke tracks are dull, the new hockenhiem is unforgivable though.

And westhill has 1 configuration only. Although that will probably change.

[ajp71]

I think there's nothing wrong with one or two combination tracks. If you make a single layout track you don't have to do as much modeling :shrug:

[nutty boy]

I made the Bahrain International circuit in autocross (it's not great but it resembles it a bit)
I was thinking of making an F1 layout pack so if there's people who want some of the tracks I could make them (not an awesome version though)

[Mikkel Petersen]

To me it sounds like he's offering the "license" of the track to the LFS devs, I know it sounds kinda strange, but is it only to me it sounds this way? :shrug:

[nutty boy]

It does actually.

[Drift31]

Some of the race organizations on İstanbul Park.

Le Mans Endurance Series.

Moto Grand Prix

World Series by Renault

Formula 1

FIA WTCC
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We want to see "Istanbul Park" track on LFS :)

Yes, We (Turkey) want to see Istanbul Park on LFS S3 :thumb:

[Scottie]

Well, I guess you can't blame him for not using the search function!!! :D

[psychometalist]

Yes, We (Turkey) want to see Istanbul Park on LFS S3 :thumb:

Well, no one asked me if I wanted Istanbul Park in S3, so make it Turkey - 1.

First buy S2, there are more tracks there. Try them all, and then ask for more content.

Posting in a 2 year old thread is another issue though.:scratchch

[NSX_FReeDoM]

well i would LOVE to see this track.
especially T8.
but we are know its not gonna happen due to the MASSIVE license fee.
HOWEVER, all im asking is PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put that T8 in our next new track.

ohhhh. and please give us a track with like smooth surface?
Kyoto GP is fine but i personally prefer mid-slow speed corners.
but yeah the tracks in LFS are wayyy too bumpy

[MAGGOT]

but yeah the tracks in LFS are wayyy too bumpy

The LFS tracks need more bumps imho.

[Tweaker]

The LFS tracks need more bumps imho.
Bumps don't make a great track, the LFS tracks just need better designs for driving. Elevation changes help, but even a flat track can be incredibly good if it is designed right. After a while, I find many ways a lot of the tracks can be designed better to improve the driving experience in LFS, as well as making them a whole lot more technical when pushing on the edge.

There are too many fast corners that don't take much effort in LFS, and the few corners that are slow and require precision are always the best for racing (eg Turkey's last chicane), like Fern Bay and parts of South City. If we just had tracks catered to being like the classics of LFS, but made for bigger cars, things would feel a whole lot better. Else the S2 tracks just lack character and uniqueness with 'legendary' type designs.

Simplistic corner designs, that are very basic are too common these days. Nowadays we are seeing much more radical and interesting shapes of corners that really push the way of thinking for the designer and the driver.

Though most modern tracks look very geometric and have neat designs, I'd much rather take more classic approaches to track design that are evident in a lot of earlier circuits (50s-70s).

Example: Circuit Charade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Charade) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqiF5Wnt9VU)), Mosport Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosport_Park) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNWZD25NjI)), Rouen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouen-Les-Essarts) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dTC9HOMps)), Zandvoort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Park_Zandvoort) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXsbE2uCs8s)),Bremgarten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Bremgarten), Dijon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijon-Prenois) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFIZtLqrbY8)), Circuit Mont-Tremblant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Mont-Tremblant) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=490pqytRESk)), Road Atlanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Atlanta) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJoqGD5NLo)), etc. These kind of curvy tracks, built in hilly areas are always the best. Watch YouTube vids of these tracks, they are great.

[AstroBoy]

I wouldnt mind Istanbul Park as a new track for LFS has some fun turns and is a rather nicely set out track.

[evilpimp]

Now I'm getting a better idea. ;) Since the devs probably don't wanna buy those licenses they could simply make fantasy tracks with a bit of corners from every legendary track :D. For example T8 of Istanbul Park could be put with another famous and loved corner. xD

[NSX_FReeDoM]

well why dont the devs host like a "track-design" competition?
and the devs can add the winning track to the game?

[aoun]

Bumps don't make a great track, the LFS tracks just need better designs for driving. Elevation changes help, but even a flat track can be incredibly good if it is designed right. After a while, I find many ways a lot of the tracks can be designed better to improve the driving experience in LFS, as well as making them a whole lot more technical when pushing on the edge.

There are too many fast corners that don't take much effort in LFS, and the few corners that are slow and require precision are always the best for racing (eg Turkey's last chicane), like Fern Bay and parts of South City. If we just had tracks catered to being like the classics of LFS, but made for bigger cars, things would feel a whole lot better. Else the S2 tracks just lack character and uniqueness with 'legendary' type designs.

Simplistic corner designs, that are very basic are too common these days. Nowadays we are seeing much more radical and interesting shapes of corners that really push the way of thinking for the designer and the driver.

Though most modern tracks look very geometric and have neat designs, I'd much rather take more classic approaches to track design that are evident in a lot of earlier circuits (50s-70s).

Example: Circuit Charade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Charade) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqiF5Wnt9VU)), Mosport Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosport_Park) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNWZD25NjI)), Rouen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouen-Les-Essarts) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dTC9HOMps)), Zandvoort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Park_Zandvoort) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXsbE2uCs8s)),Bremgarten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Bremgarten), Dijon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijon-Prenois) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFIZtLqrbY8)), Circuit Mont-Tremblant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Mont-Tremblant) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=490pqytRESk)), Road Atlanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Atlanta) (Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJoqGD5NLo)), etc. These kind of curvy tracks, built in hilly areas are always the best. Watch YouTube vids of these tracks, they are great.

I Agree 100% with your whole post. It's something ive always thought about LFS.

[Töki (HUN)]

+1

[DRF73K]

well why dont the devs host like a "track-design" competition?
and the devs can add the winning track to the game?
+1 :nod:

[FBUT Bishop]

well why dont the devs host like a "track-design" competition?
and the devs can add the winning track to the game?
Good idea, it is possible?

[aroX123]

well why dont the devs host like a "track-design" competition?
and the devs can add the winning track to the game?
Hey, i suggested that long time ago! :shy:

[ozark]

And what do you thing about Pau's track (WTCC)?

[J@tko]

Pau is a great track, but a noo for LFS cos its wrecker's heaven, aswell as being very tight and twisty and quite hard tbh.

Although it is a fantastic track.