For Drivers: What do you want?

[PMD9409]

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This is out of curiousity and will hopefully help NDR provide desired events and series in the future. Number of drivers seem to get lower each season, and we want to make sure that everyone wanting to race is satisfied with league ideas/choices.

Select options in the poll that you are interested in and that you would run if your schedule allows. Before I continue, GTAL and LFSCART will be locked in and nothing you can do will change that. :D

I will put a more detailed description of each option below.

1. Continue running multiple rather long championships. This is basically asking if you want NDR to continue running multiple leagues at a time like LFSCART Light, TBOC, MiniFBM all at the same time.

2. Events - Would you rather NDR have more events? Instead of having multiple leagues that seem to have decreases in popularity as the league goes on, would you rather have events every 1-2 months that include different combos? Example: Kyoto 150 with XRG. 2 hours nGT @ WE1R etc.

3. Both 1 and 2.

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Next selections are for types of events/leagues you are interested in.

4. FIA GT1 style league - Follows FIA GT1 rules(ish) and race day schedule.

5. TBOC - Exact same as current TBOC

6. TBO Endurance - 2-3 hour endu races with TBO cars. Possible 4-6 hour finale. (IGTC style but with TBO)

7. LX Racing (Sprint + Feature)

8. STD Racing (Sprint + Feature)

9. Rallycross league - 3 rally tracks in LFS, all 3 also have reverse. 6 total tracks. Could have three sprint races per round (track) or something of the sort.

10. WRC Stages - 5 "rallies" covering 5 LFS enviroments. Each rally consists of 5 stages. Final "rally" is a SuperSpecial stage where either the top 16 or top 32 drivers will battle it out 1-on-1 in a tournament bracket style event. This has the layouts already done (has been in the pipeline for a while) and some rules finished as well.

11. PCC - Seen here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=69245)

12. GT Series - Seen here (http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=276)

13. LFS Endurance League - Trailer (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=71410)- Information (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1515182#post1515182)

14. Other - Post any ideas here please.

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If you have any questions are some of the choices, feel free to ask. I can also elaborate more about some of those league ideas as some are ready to go but haven't got the chance because of the amount of leagues as it is.

[Feuerdrache]

Voted for LFS Endurance League, as I liked the concept when it was discussed on SR's forum over a year ago.

And maybe it would be also be possible for you to bring the LFS World Series (http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=135) back to life? :tilt:

[Framaris]

I still love the idea of TBO endurance, but since the stints are minimum 1:30 I think 3h may be short...endurance starts with at least 3 stints I think!

On the side I love what NDR's doing, so I voted for continuity!:thumb:

[Silverracer]

Bring back NDR's [Public] TBO server? :razz:

[kart-36]

LX racing, its just awesome. In apex cup the racing was so close, best option! :nod:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Number of drivers seem to get lower each season

Really? This wasn't the case for 3 of the 4 last leagues/events in date held by NDR(GTAL 2011, 2011 Kyoto 250, 2010 Mini-FBM). Mini-FBM also saw an enormous interrest boost, with 2, 3 or even sometimes 4 times more drivers than in 2009/2008.

If you see a bit further back, 2010 LFSCART, 2010 LFSCART Light, and 2010 TBO Challenge managed to maintain themselves in a decent shape until the end, and mostly got decent turn-up rates.

Obviously 2011 iTCC was a huge disappointment, but it should be seen as an exception. As far as I see NDR is going fairly nicely interrest wise, especially considering some other leagues' shape and LFS' shape.

1. Continue running multiple rather long championships. This is basically asking if you want NDR to continue running multiple leagues at a time like LFSCART Light, TBOC, MiniFBM all at the same time.

2. Events - Would you rather NDR have more events? Instead of having multiple leagues that seem to have decreases in popularity as the league goes on, would you rather have events every 1-2 months that include different combos? Example: Kyoto 150 with XRG. 2 hours nGT @ WE1R etc.

3. Both 1 and 2.

Voted 1 and 2. I'd like TBOC, Mini FBM and LFSCART Light to stay if possible, with lighter schedules if necessary. However I'd also be interrested in special events - Kyoto 150 looks quite interresting for example. But in the end it IMO should only be considered if you have the manpower to deal properly with both regular leagues and this.

4. FIA GT1 style league - Follows FIA GT1 rules(ish) and race day schedule.

Uhm, nice, but it feels like there's just enough GTR leagues at the moment. But now maybe this could be considered for IGTC, with 90 minutes/2 hour races, though people seem to be against it overall.

5. TBOC - Exact same as current TBOC

6. TBO Endurance - 2-3 hour endu races with TBO cars. Possible 4-6 hour finale. (IGTC style but with TBO)

Tough one. TBOC is really cool and I'd love it to stay. Especially since it seems to be the only international TBO league still in activity.

On other hand TBO Endurance is something I've been waiting for long, and even considered(not very seriously though) to run at various points over the last few years. Now it'd mean another endurance league to run. And this isn't easy, but LFS needs a non-GTR endurace league IMO, so definitely worth it.

7. LX Racing (Sprint + Feature)

8. STD Racing (Sprint + Feature)

Could be fun, okay. Not looking forward it as much as other concepts though.

9. Rallycross league - 3 rally tracks in LFS, all 3 also have reverse. 6 total tracks. Could have three sprint races per round (track) or something of the sort.

Not sure if this'd work, rallycross isn't very popular out there.

And sadly whenever someone tries to set up something with it, it often tends to turn into wreckfest, not sure why, probably because of the nature of the tracks.

10. WRC Stages - 5 "rallies" covering 5 LFS enviroments. Each rally consists of 5 stages. Final "rally" is a SuperSpecial stage where either the top 16 or top 32 drivers will battle it out 1-on-1 in a tournament bracket style event. This has the layouts already done (has been in the pipeline for a while) and some rules finished as well.

Not sure if you guys could come up with fresh and original layouts for all. That kind of stuff can be amusing once in a while, check Fortitude's Hillclimb Challenge for example. But worth a proper league? IMO, no.

11. PCC - Seen here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=69245)

12. GT Series - Seen here (http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=276)

Same as 7 and 8.

13. LFS Endurance League - Trailer (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=71410)- Information (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1515182#post1515182)

Would be quite awesome if you guys ever make it real. Great concept. If you have the manpower, enough slots in the schedule, and are sure there would be enough interrest, then yes. Definitely looking forward it. Same as 6, LFS needs a non-GTR endurance league(even though there'd probably be GTRs in 1 or 2 rounds for that one).

Now IMO it shouldn't replace IGTC/MoE though.

14. Other - Post any ideas here please.

I guess you covered all more or less.

MRT on autoX layouts perhaps? Not that I've personally more interrest in this than everything else, but the idea was around for quite a while already, but never got real.

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E: Obviously my vote isn't very accurate since I would race pretty much whatever my schedule allows. But check the post above for preferences/ideas/etc.

Bring back NDR's [Public] TBO server?

So it can die again in 2 days?

Not the best moment to launch a (non-multiclass) public server IMO.

And maybe it would be also be possible for you to bring the LFS World Series back to life?

I'd love to see it back. Same for BoTT (http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=79).

Now reviving other people's concept obviously needs authorisation, and sometimes special requirements(raceday, regulations, etc). So we might never see it sadly. Definitely worth considering it if there's a small possibility however, IMO.

[Kova.]

13. LFS Endurance League - : for me there is already LFS Endurance Series,

[Fuse5]

voted for LX Racing and "continue as is" :P

sad to see RSC missing from the list, that was run in conjunction with TBOC for a season even
damn u

[CSF]

voted for LX Racing and "continue as is" :P

sad to see RSC missing from the list, that was run in conjunction with TBOC for a season even
damn u


RSC is likely to be back in the hands of it's original creators / operators, TBOC may be a late-summer thing

:)

[Fuse5]

yep, a birdy already told me after i had posted :)

[CSF]

13. LFS Endurance League - : for me there is already LFS Endurance Series,


Which is a totally different concept.

[Kova.]

It's an endurance league, so what is so different? :shrug:

[TFalke55]

It's an endurance league, so what is so different? :shrug:

the one they proposed was with different car&track combos ;) not staying with one type of cars throughout all season.

Before I continue, GTAL and LFSCART will be locked in and nothing you can do will change that. :D

Don't say that one too loud.

[CSF]

It's an endurance league, so what is so different? :shrug:


Try READING the topic that had information in it.

[Forbin]

Given no FO8 option, LX6 ftw. :D

[CSF]

Lfscart = f08.

[Forbin]

Lfscart = f08.

I see an awful lot of enthusiasm about using a fixed set in that series. Screw that.

Then there's the emphasis on oval... zzzzzzzzz...

[TFalke55]

I see an awful lot of enthusiasm about using a fixed set in that series. Screw that.

Then there's the emphasis on oval... zzzzzzzzz...

There is no fixed setup, and if you don't want to race the ovals then simply race only the road/street course races...

[Forbin]

There is no fixed setup, and if you don't want to race the ovals then simply race only the road/street course races...

And kiss any shot at a championship win goodbye.

[TFalke55]

And kiss any shot at a championship win goodbye.

there is a road/street course title

[LianeS]

Voted :thumb:

Some remarks:

The FIA GT idea is interesting, as long as it is executed properly. I.e. stick with the real-life rules (2x60min races, mandatory driver change) so that it doesn't turn into a copy/tweak of the many GT leagues we already have.

I've read about the PCC and the idea to make it as realistic as possible (such as by the means of limited setups), as far as I know also a unique concept to LFS which could attract interest.

Furthermore, one-off events could be the key to attract the casual racer, those who don't want to commit to a full season and still don't want to miss out on good competition. Kyoto 150 sounds definitely like a concept I'd like to be part of, for instance.

Plus, what's happened to LFSCART Light? Has it been completely dropped or just temporarily suspended? From what I remember, it attracted crowded grids (at least on road/street circuits; pre-Qualifying was necessary until the final road course event), if we get rid off the Twin races @ Autocross it actually was a great concept, as FOX offered some good racing and the sprint/feature race format added to the show.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

there is a road/street course title

Really? I see none there: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=67867

Well, there was an oval title in 2009, but I can't recall of any road/street title, unless you are going to establish that for 2011?

And wouldn't be a street titlea bit meaningless, assuming that we can't really realistically go more than twice at South City? Sounds a bit GP2 Asia like, with only 1 race per meeting.

[zippytheone]

Plus, what's happened to LFSCART Light? Has it been completely dropped or just temporarily suspended? From what I remember, it attracted crowded grids (at least on road/street circuits; pre-Qualifying was necessary until the final road course event), if we get rid off the Twin races @ Autocross it actually was a great concept, as FOX offered some good racing and the sprint/feature race format added to the show.
Aye I second that. Was looking forward to some decent FOX action again. Maybe it could use a shuffle in terms of schedule (maybe 1 big race rather than sprint + feature although IMO, s + f is better) or some other change to make it doable again.

Voted for both 1 + 2 seeing as NDR is the best organisation for both types of league imo (MoE is obviously brilliant as well but interest is sadly dying in that) so would be nice for more events whilst the big leagues go on :)

Mah 2 cents

[andRo.]

Voted for LX, STD and GT Series. If any of those will be organized, I'll try to attend as much as my time allows. There are quite many endurance races and endurance races provide being in or driving for a team which is not good for me. For the reason, that I'm not in any team and for the other is that I never know if I'll be able to attend the round or not, so no point promising any team to drive for them.

I would advise to make something different than what there is already. For example, LX's, haven't seen any league with just those cars. Also we don't have any STD leagues atm. if I'm right? But what we do have is plenty of GTR and endurance races. Also rally cross seems to be pretty interesting I guess, since I haven't seen any league that was based just on the rally cross.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Also rally cross seems to be pretty interesting I guess, since I haven't seen any league that was based just on the rally cross.

The AirAttack Rallycross Cup (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=72541) is.

[aroX123]

WRC Stages would be great, a proper streamed rally stage idea has never been done before, so that'd be great. I dont see why people vote for endurance series when some people are complaining about "this is getting boring, i want something new" but still vote for endurance :>

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I dont see why people vote for endurance series when some people are complaining about "this is getting boring, i want something new" but still vote for endurance :>

Because non-GTR endurance is something new, and has barely ever been tried over the years.

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Voted for LX and GT Series.

I really enjoy LX cars and they bring some really really good racing. GT Series is probably the most fun league I've ever done in LFS so I'd defo like to see that again, it was pure win.

EDIT: crap, I missed WRC Stages, I would've put a vote on that aswell because that would be refreshing.

[BLOBO]

fox racing with r1 r1 tyres thats it :nod:

[PMD9409]

Thank you everyone so far, keep the votes coming!

I still love the idea of TBO endurance, but since the stints are minimum 1:30 I think 3h may be short...endurance starts with at least 3 stints I think!

Those times were just filler space, length of races could change. :thumb:

;1575673']Really? This wasn't the case for 3 of the 4 last leagues/events in date held by NDR(GTAL 2011, 2011 Kyoto 250, 2010 Mini-FBM). Mini-FBM also saw an enormous interrest boost, with 2, 3 or even sometimes 4 times more drivers than in 2009/2008.

If you see a bit further back, 2010 LFSCART, 2010 LFSCART Light, and 2010 TBO Challenge managed to maintain themselves in a decent shape until the end, and mostly got decent turn-up rates.

Obviously 2011 iTCC was a huge disappointment, but it should be seen as an exception. As far as I see NDR is going fairly nicely interrest wise, especially considering some other leagues' shape and LFS' shape.

No more arguments! :razz:

GTAL went from 40 to 24. iTCC went from >100 to 16. TBOC did drop a small bit. Not saying all do that, but instead of just doing the same thing over and over and seeing drops, how about try something new?



Uhm, nice, but it feels like there's just enough GTR leagues at the moment. But now maybe this could be considered for IGTC, with 90 minutes/2 hour races, though people seem to be against it overall.

Read Liane's post. Based on FIA GT1, so nothing like current GTR leagues.


LFS needs a non-GTR endurace league IMO, so definitely worth it.
Agreed 110%

Not sure if you guys could come up with fresh and original layouts for all. That kind of stuff can be amusing once in a while, check Fortitude's Hillclimb Challenge for example. But worth a proper league? IMO, no.

As said, layouts are done. :shy:
Tracker would collect the times and total etc. Fortitude's Hillclimb Challenge doesn't relate to WRC, this would.

Would be quite awesome if you guys ever make it real. Great concept. If you have the manpower, enough slots in the schedule, and are sure there would be enough interrest, then yes. Definitely looking forward it. Same as 6, LFS needs a non-GTR endurance league(even though there'd probably be GTRs in 1 or 2 rounds for that one).
GTRs are only in 1 round (unless you count nGT as a GTR). More info about this below.

MRT on autoX layouts perhaps? Not that I've personally more interrest in this than everything else, but the idea was around for quite a while already, but never got real.

Was going to list this, but too close to MiniFBM IMO. Both couldn't run together.


It's an endurance league, so what is so different? :shrug:

I'll give you an example schedule for 2 seasons, maybe you will fully understand then.

Season 1
STD @ BL1 - 3 hours
TBO @ AS7R - 4 hours
LX6 @ SO4 - 6 hours
FZ5 @ FE5 - 2-3 hours
nGT @ WE1R - 3 hours
FO8 @ FE4 - 4 hours
GT1 @ KY3b - 6 hours

Season 2
UF1 @ FE3 - 3 hours
TBO @ BL1R - 4 hours
FZ5/RAC @ AS4 - 6 hours
RB4 @ BL2R - 3 hours
nGT @ SO5 - 3 hours
FOX @ WE1 - 4 hours
GT2 @ KY2 - 6 hours



Don't say that one too loud.
Deko's words. :smileypul

Voted :thumb:

Some remarks:

Thanks!

The FIA GT idea is interesting, as long as it is executed properly. I.e. stick with the real-life rules (2x60min races, mandatory driver change) so that it doesn't turn into a copy/tweak of the many GT leagues we already have.
Would be executed properly. :thumb:


I've read about the PCC and the idea to make it as realistic as possible (such as by the means of limited setups), as far as I know also a unique concept to LFS which could attract interest.
Agreed, but interest is lower than others right now. It's rival (GT Series) has nearly twice the votes already.

Furthermore, one-off events could be the key to attract the casual racer, those who don't want to commit to a full season and still don't want to miss out on good competition. Kyoto 150 sounds definitely like a concept I'd like to be part of, for instance.

Exactly, its a good introduction to league racing and I would like to see more of them.

Plus, what's happened to LFSCART Light? Has it been completely dropped or just temporarily suspended? From what I remember, it attracted crowded grids (at least on road/street circuits; pre-Qualifying was necessary until the final road course event), if we get rid off the Twin races @ Autocross it actually was a great concept, as FOX offered some good racing and the sprint/feature race format added to the show. This isn't my cup of tea, but I would expect it in the Winter again. It was definately a good series with huge grids. I'd be sad to see it disappear.

Voted for LX, STD and GT Series. If any of those will be organized, I'll try to attend as much as my time allows. There are quite many endurance races and endurance races provide being in or driving for a team which is not good for me. For the reason, that I'm not in any team and for the other is that I never know if I'll be able to attend the round or not, so no point promising any team to drive for them.

I would advise to make something different than what there is already. For example, LX's, haven't seen any league with just those cars. Also we don't have any STD leagues atm. if I'm right? But what we do have is plenty of GTR and endurance races. Correct, and that's the idea of this poll. :)


Long posts are long. :schwitz:

[Tomhah]

World series thing back! :D:D:D I'll actually drive then (if I got time)

[Hahmo]

I voted for few..

But i'm really looking forward to seeing WRC & FIA GT :tilt:
WRC would be something very new and very interesting..

[reason0809]

now that GTAL just finished... WE WANT MOOOOOOORE :D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

No more arguments! :razz:

:schwitz::thumb:

GTAL went from 40 to 24. iTCC went from >100 to 16. TBOC did drop a small bit. Not saying all do that, but instead of just doing the same thing over and over and seeing drops, how about try something new?

I'm affraid this is something related to league racing/LFS league racing, there are very very few leagues with no interrest drops. At some point people gets bored/realised they somehow realise they won't win the champ and leave. Not sure if we really need new leagues, we mostly need new people.

Obviously iTCC was a real joke with the 100 to 16 drop. But other leagues went pretty much nicely, GTAL's 40 to 24 isn't bad if you consider that most of the teams are small and have trouble coping with longer races. And I belive you can be tempted to remove out of the 40 the few numpty teams that obviously were never going to take the start of any race.

Just compare the whole thing with MoE/IGTC, it isn't that bad really.

As for other leagues, TBOC/LFSCART Light/Mini-FBM only dropped of a few people. LFSCART did drop a bit more but the FO8 is quite demanding training wise for the average LFSer, the season is long, and the races held on Saturdays don't help at all. So nothing surprising IMO.

At the end of the day we are always going to lose a few people, I doubt we can do anything about that, and I guess it isn't worth worrying about it, as long as there aren't too many(iTCC), or as long as there are people to replace them.

Read Liane's post. Based on FIA GT1, so nothing like current GTR leagues.

Sure, but we'd still end up driving GTRs in the end.

As said, layouts are done. :shy:
Tracker would collect the times and total etc. Fortitude's Hillclimb Challenge doesn't relate to WRC, this would.

If it is ran by trackers I guess this could be done without much work comparing to another league(no need to have several admins on race day, no need to investigate incidents, etc), so definitely worth considering then. I like the idea.

Obviously Fortitude doesn't relate to WRC, but you'd still come up with similar(-ish) layouts, no?

Exactly, its a good introduction to league racing and I would like to see more of them.

That's true, we had a 2 one-off events in Fun Racing League recently(a one hour race and a two hour race), and in the end we were more than pleased by the nice turn-up, and managed to get a few new people too.

This isn't my cup of tea, but I would expect it in the Winter again. It was definately a good series with huge grids. I'd be sad to see it disappear.

Yes, it seems like people really like the FOX, though it gives some slightly silly racing on ovals. And since there doesn't seem to be any 100% FOX league(OWRL basically has 4 FOX events a year nowadays), why not.

[TypeRacing]

Personally I miss proper NGT league. BTCC or WTCC race format would be good. Maybe even some enduranceish rounds in the schedule...
IMO NGT tire physics are the best one in LFS. Aslo race between UFR and XFR is spetacular. I hope that there will be enough supporters for this idea :)

E: Forbin, would'nt agree with you on this one...

[Forbin]

IMO NGT tire physics are the best one in LFS.

http://www.memedepot.com/uploads/0/207_not_sure_if_serious.jpg

NGT class is easily the most exploitative of LFS's physics bugs.

[dekojester]

;1575949']I'm affraid this is something related to league racing/LFS league racing, there are very very few leagues with no interrest drops. At some point people gets bored/realised they somehow realise they won't win the champ and leave. Not sure if we really need new leagues, we mostly need new people.

Obviously iTCC was a real joke with the 100 to 16 drop. But other leagues went pretty much nicely, GTAL's 40 to 24 isn't bad if you consider that most of the teams are small and have trouble coping with longer races. And I belive you can be tempted to remove out of the 40 the few numpty teams that obviously were never going to take the start of any race.

Just compare the whole thing with MoE/IGTC, it isn't that bad really.

As for other leagues, TBOC/LFSCART Light/Mini-FBM only dropped of a few people. LFSCART did drop a bit more but the FO8 is quite demanding training wise for the average LFSer, the season is long, and the races held on Saturdays don't help at all. So nothing surprising IMO.

At the end of the day we are always going to lose a few people, I doubt we can do anything about that, and I guess it isn't worth worrying about it, as long as there aren't too many(iTCC), or as long as there are people to replace them.

In regards to the iTCC drop, I think personally that I / the admins have to take some of the blame - getting the password PMs out less than 24h before the race surely doesn't help, but then again, it can also be contended that the racers should know the schedule and be willing and ready to go no matter when results / points / threads / PMs go out.

Every series ever surely has had some form of interest drop - so surely every series going forward should be expected to have some form of such.

I'm personally not dissatisfied with how things have been recently in terms of participation, so I won't complain.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

In regards to the iTCC drop, I think personally that I / the admins have to take some of the blame - getting the password PMs out less than 24h before the race surely doesn't help, but then again, it can also be contended that the racers should know the schedule and be willing and ready to go no matter when results / points / threads / PMs go out.

Every series ever surely has had some form of interest drop - so surely every series going forward should be expected to have some form of such.

That's true, but in the end I think it was more like because of the rather "elitist" race format and point system. Many of those knocked out in shootout for the first 1-2 rounds probably decided to not bother anymore, because they wrongly thought they had no chance to race for the whole season. Same goes to the ones who made it to the races in rounds 1-2, failed to get in the points/crashed/got crashed and thought they'd have no chance to ever fight for the top 10 and therefore decided to stop plainly.

I'm personally not dissatisfied with how things have been recently in terms of participation, so I won't complain.

:thumb:

[TFalke55]

;1575766']Really? I see none there: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=67867

Well, there was an oval title in 2009, but I can't recall of any road/street title, unless you are going to establish that for 2011?

And wouldn't be a street titlea bit meaningless, assuming that we can't really realistically go more than twice at South City? Sounds a bit GP2 Asia like, with only 1 race per meeting.

look up this years rules and you will see ;) :thumb:
I don't say something like that just for fun, you know :shrug:

;1575949']LFSCART did drop a bit more but the FO8 is quite demanding training wise for the average LFSer, the season is long, and the races held on Saturdays don't help at all.

There has been a drop, true that, but from where this Championship came, I cannot regard it as a drop.

Plus, what's happened to LFSCART Light? Has it been completely dropped or just temporarily suspended?

This isn't my cup of tea, but I would expect it in the Winter again. It was definately a good series with huge grids. I'd be sad to see it disappear.

As that is my cup of tea: There have been difficulties this past winter time. Generally last year there has been a huge amount of FOX racing, so it was temporarily suspended. There will be at least one LFSCART Light race as event race this summer. (It's not dead it's just sleeping).

[GreyBull [CHA]]

look up this years rules and you will see ;) :thumb:
I don't say something like that just for fun, you know :shrug:

Just saw that. It was a bit confusing at first, thought you were refeering to previous seasons at first;)

[Velocity Jnr]

I voted other, I'd like a begginer league or even bring back the Begginers Cup. Would be good for people that want to compete with people that are at the same level.

thanks:thumb:

[PMD9409]

So wouldn't naming him be useless? :razz:

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Anyways, the popular leagues in that list could easily be run throughout the year with most current leagues in NDR.

Series:
GTAL
LFSCART
LFSCART Light
MiniFBM
LFSEL
TBOE
GT Series
FIA GT1
Journey to F1 (MRT > FBM > FOX > FO8 > BF1)

Events:
Kyoto 250 (XRT)
Kyoto 500 (FO8)
Kyoto 150 (XRG)
Winter
Easter
Weester
Summer
Autumn
*Seasoned events choose from (UF1/STD , LX, nGT, FZ5/RAC)


With some cheeky scheduling, all could be done each year, with an Endurance, Single Seater, and TinTop series running at all times.

[pik_d]

Journey to F1 (MRT > FBM > FOX > FO8 > BF1)
Road to F1 was a really good event when DSR put it on. That's probably where you got the idea though, isn't it?

There was a stillborn sister-league too, Road to GTR.

UF1 -> STD -> TBO -> FZ5/RAC -> nGT -> GTR

[PMD9409]

Well in order to have single seaters go year around I needed another single seaters league. Since I couldn't think of anything, I just posted that. :razz:

[PMD9409]

Here (http://messenger.msn.com/download/getstarted.aspx) you (http://www.skype.com) two (http://www.lfsforum.net/private.php) go (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj166/joelryanlee/080901%20-%20IVAN%20IF%20you/dreams.jpg).

Keep it on topic please. This is actually a serious thread.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Nice stuff but

Journey to F1 (MRT > FBM > FOX > FO8 > BF1)

Would that be really necessary if we already have Mini-FBM, LFSCART Light and LFSCART?

[PMD9409]

But that would leave 3 months of the year without single seaters. Unless we could change "single seaters" to "open wheel" and add LX. :D

F1 league is taken by OWRL
FO8 = LFSCART
FOX = LFSCART Light
FBM = Too much like MiniFBM
MRT = Not popular to warrant a 5 round league IMO.

Put them all together and you have yourself a overall single seater championship that test everyone in each car to find an overall winner.

That's my only reasoning behind it. If someone could think of something reasonable to fill its place I wouldn't mind hearing it.

[JackDaMaster]

I voted for GT1 and gt series.

I'm guessing for gt1 the cars will be tweaked up to 600bhp or so?

[PMD9409]

Would be discussed later (planned a test race either way).

GT0 would make since since the tires wouldn't get uber cold (pitstop needed in the 60 minute races).

If people don't want it though, I won't argue.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

GT0 sounds good to me, never really tested them properly but they would give a damn nice challenge:thumbsup:

[TFalke55]

GT0 with FIA GT style races sounds cool. But I'd advise to either run it after GT3 European Cup rules (Two Qualifyings, Q1 for Race 1, Q2 for Race 2, both races full points) or shortened. (2 Qualifyings, combined time makes grid 1 Race, full points) instead of the real format (3 F1 Style Qualifyings, Qualifying Race, Championship race)

[PMD9409]

Yeah, no reason to get all complicated with it. We can make it much easier (to a point to where its not even FIA GT1 anymore :razz: ).

*Pre-Qual (both drivers needed / average taken)
**Q1 - Driver 1
**Q2 - Driver 2
*** Race 1 (Q race) Points: 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 etc
****Race 2 (Champ race) Points: 25, 18, 15, 12 , 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 0 etc

*Only used if an overload of signups
**Can be done on two different servers at the same time to decrease total time of event.
***Grid is set by average of Driver 1 and 2 from each team.
****Grid set by finish of Q race.

Both Q and Champ race are 1 hour long. Both have a mandatory pitstop happening between 25-35 minutes, 4 tire change mandatory.

That keeps it pretty much the same. I don't like the idea of success ballast in fast cars. LFS' inertia physics can't handle it well IMO. This is just how I would like to see it done. Quickest and cleanest way (would still take roughly 2h 45m), and it should provide some good racing.

[oscarhardwick]

+1 :) I think this works well phil.

[TFalke55]

Yeah, no reason to get all complicated with it. We can make it much easier (to a point to where its not even FIA GT1 anymore :razz: ).

*Pre-Qual (both drivers needed / average taken)
**Q1 - Driver 1
**Q2 - Driver 2
*** Race 1 (Q race) Points: 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 etc
****Race 2 (Champ race) Points: 25, 18, 15, 12 , 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 0 etc

*Only used if an overload of signups
**Can be done on two different servers at the same time to decrease total time of event.
***Grid is set by average of Driver 1 and 2 from each team.
****Grid set by finish of Q race.

Both Q and Champ race are 1 hour long. Both have a mandatory pitstop happening between 25-35 minutes, 4 tire change mandatory.

That keeps it pretty much the same. I don't like the idea of success ballast in fast cars. LFS' inertia physics can't handle it well IMO. This is just how I would like to see it done. Quickest and cleanest way (would still take roughly 2h 45m), and it should provide some good racing.

For those who don't know what FIA GT1 is (at least in Germany it is not covered regulary)
Pre-Qualifying http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhtw0s_gt1-abu-dhabi-qualifying-session_auto
Qualifying Race http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhtvz8_gt1-abu-dhabi-qualifying-race_auto
Championship Race http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhttcu_gt1-abu-dhabi-championship-race_auto

[JackDaMaster]

Both Q and Champ race are 1 hour long. Both have a mandatory pitstop happening between 25-35 minutes, 4 tire change mandatory.

And driver change I presume?

[PMD9409]

If we want to base it closely to the real series then yes.

[CSF]

jabba

[Fuse5]

yes please @ GT1
\o/