Round 6: Race Discussion

[dekojester]

Event: 6 Hours of Kyoto Grand Prix Long with Boothy Chicane
Circuit Code: KY3B
Skies: Cloudy Afternoon

Qualifying Session 1: 27 February 2011 19:00 UTC Group 1 - 19:40 UTC Group 2
Qualifying Session 2: 4 March 2011 19:00 UTC Group 1 - 19:40 UTC Group 2
Race Session: 5 March 2011 15:00 UTC

Official Circuit Diagram will be out Thursday or Friday, before Qualifying 1.

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Chalk texture kerb file download link (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=109049&d=1285315628)

[zippytheone]

Gonna like this one :nod:

[JackCY]

Finally a decent track :)

[Drifters Only]

I was just wondering...

I know hitting a pole in your qually lap makes the lap invalid. Is hitting a pole concidered full on hitting a pole, or is nudging the pole slightly concidered hitting the pole already?

Also, are there any concequences for ramming the apex pole in the boothy chicane repetively during the race?

Just wanted to know:thumb::nod:!

[CSF]

Yes you lose your quali lap.

Yes, if you hit it time and time again, just like Kenneth O'Keefe last year.

[Drifters Only]

Hehehe ok thanks for the answer:D. I'll look after that pesky thing abit more than:razz:!

[zippytheone]

Good thing I cant make it then. I keep hitting the damn thing in practice.

McDonalds are making me close the store. Considering it finishes at 9pm, I am annoyed as I had some pace here :\

[zippytheone]

The penalty for the driver who sets best time in quali not doing a lap in the race is -1 lap to overall distance ja?

[JackCY]

What pole are you talking about? That one that's all the time flying over my roof and my doors are scratched from the tires in the chicane?
damn I should learn how to drive it more clearly then
edit: hopefully done

So hitting a pole is a no go in Q and punishable if repeated in race right?
What about driving on the pit straight, is it allowed to drive on the left side yellow crossed area near the wall? Or is it a safety area that should be kept clear.

[IsaacPrice]

Failed, sorry if I ruined anybody's laps by distracting etc :schwitz:

[bavorak]

I love this combo and I always have fun driving here but as I cant hit the pole in boothy chicane, my driving became full of fear of last sector and I havent done any decent lap in Q
And I dont see logic in that because if I go 2 wheels off the track it is okey and the lap is valid but if I hit the pole (not tires) which is basically the same I get penalty
However rules are rules and are same for everyone so dont consider this moaning...I am just saying my opinion

[reason0809]

i totally failed this session... At first i picked the wrong setup, then i started with 60% fuel and later the session i had bad contact with plutta in the creepy boothy chicane, so he got stuck in the gravel about 3 minutes. And if that wasnt enough i destroyed the engine 10 minutes before the end of the session... Meh

[zippytheone]

I think I had slight engine damage but meh. Didnt hurt me as much as it could have.

Failed in S3 each lap trying to avoid damn pole. Then on my best lap I failed in that tricky right hander before S1/2 split and lost about 2 tenths. Ahh well. 2.24.27 isnt THAT bad. We arent last so all good :p

[Swiss-Spirit]

I think I had slight engine damage but meh. Didnt hurt me as much as it could have.

Failed in S3 each lap trying to avoid damn pole. Then on my best lap I failed in that tricky right hander before S1/2 split and lost about 2 tenths. Ahh well. 2.24.27 isnt THAT bad. We arent last so all good :p

I saw that, nice lap Tom:)

And yeah, that 200 kp/h corner is hard to get.

[reason0809]

Qualifying 1 - Session 2
Lap: 3 in the view of S. Plutta
Timecode: 23:00 to go / 7 Minutes gone
Your Number: #28
Other Car involved: #19

Approaching boothy chicane, #28 approaches #19.
#19 moves over to the left intending to let us (#28) pass - Then he misses the brake point complely, causing us to be stuck in the gravel for 3 Minutes plus damage repair on pitstop.

since my post was deleted i just wanted to say again that i apologied after the session and plutta was okay with that, so i dont see a point in reporting as plutta said "no problem". besides this it was a missunderstanding between him and myself, as i tried to slow down to let him pass, but he also slowed down very quickly for the boothy chicane, while i accelareted away again to go through the boothy chicane, but he still was there... strange situation :shrug:

[DJEDO]

alguien que lo pueda traducir gracias.

no se si esta bien postiarlo acá, pero JUST DRIVING no se hará presente en esta 6ta fecha por no poder completar el numero de pilotos, algunos por trabajo y otros por estudio.

nos vemos en la 7ma y ultima fecha en las 12 hs de blackwood.

suerte a todos en esta fecha y espero sepan comprender.

[baSh0r]

alguien que lo pueda traducir gracias.

no se si esta bien postiarlo acá, pero JUST DRIVING no se hará presente en esta 6ta fecha por no poder completar el numero de pilotos, algunos por trabajo y otros por estudio.

nos vemos en la 7ma y ultima fecha en las 12 hs de blackwood.

suerte a todos en esta fecha y espero sepan comprender.

voy a traducir:

If someone could translate this:

i dont know if it is ok to post here, but JUST DRIVING will not be driving the next round because of the lack of drivers, someone is unable to drive because of work, an other one because of school.

we will see you again for the 7th round - the 12h of blackwood.

Good luck for everybody and i hope you can understand

[GreyBull [CHA]]

First 7Karat, then JD... :/

Hope to see you back at round 7:thumbsup:

[Flingoko]

So do we :shrug:

[CSF]

Doubt SR will be there either after le ginge, le german and le emo all left at the same time. :schwitz:

[IsaacPrice]

le emo

didnt know miro was in SR :schwitz:

[CSF]

meh joniiiiiee runs him close. :razz:

[Timo1992]

torpp1s

Team History

Team Name: Sonicrealms Racing
Team Tag: [SR]
Date Joined: 2 January 2011
Date Left: 28 February 2011
Duration: 8 weeks, 1 day

:razz:

[CSF]

It's not Joni's fault he joined a team which had run it's course, having previously been at the front of most things it entered in the last two seasons. It's just... had it's time. :shrug:

[Timo1992]

Yep true, think now it's over...anyway new teams will come :)

[Hahmo]

didnt know miro was in sr :schwitz:

oiii!

[baSh0r]

Dear Admins,

we have a concern. It is fine to us to use the Pole in boothy chicane in Qualifying (1 + 2), but for race we would like to suggest to use the "MoE-Like" non Pole version of the chicane, which is a lot smoother and actually causes less cutting. (Imagine a 5 Pack of Cars then the first one cuts, deletes the pole and then forces the others to also cut.) MoE has shown this works really well! Please take this as suggestion and consider a change!

Who would support this?

[dpAlonso]

Do support!

[terga]

I've been moaning about this all week. Remove the damn pole!

[kart-36]

Support! :d

[torpp1s]

Remove that pole!

[Deutschland2007]

It think it would be better to have no pole in the chicane in the race, for cases when there are like several cars in a row going through there or when for instance they cause some weird stuff to happen with lag or something.

[suzuki94]

Kill the pole :thumbsup:

[AsnL]

:thumb:
Please, remove that pole:nod:

[_coca-cola_]

Remove the pole :thumb:

[Hahmo]

GET RID OF IT DEKO!

Meh..

[Seb66]

Thought this was meant to be a feeder to moe/igtc.. So why run a different layout. JABBAS.

[boothy]

So tell me, why was there no moaning last year in MoE and GTAL?

... and actually causes less cutting...

How does that work exactly?

[nathan246]

Remove the pole :|

[kart-36]

So tell me, why was there no moaning last year in MoE and GTAL?



How does that work exactly?

Because they didnt try it without the pole?

[baSh0r]

Look. The fact is, we just did a teststint with Isaac, Dom and Seb.
If there is a pole, everybody somehow hits it now or later, the car after it then of course takes the shortest like (which is a cut, because he'd have hit the pole). After half of the stint, everybody was cutting because they got used to it. And even though you might want to get it right and just clip the pole, it still resets and will be invisible for long enough time to keep the following cars cutting.

[Tomhah]

Just remove it. Its not hard.

[Mustangman759]

remove the pole! :thumb:

[kart-36]

The thing is...
You remove it for the 'pro MoE drivers' but when it comes to the amateurs, you make it more difficult with wind, and stupid poles and chicanes every where so you cannot possible get any speed :D (i like to overexaggerate a little bit okay)

But yeah, that pole just causes problems, and plus it saves you sitting there for 6 hours watching who hits the poles and giving our warnings :nod:

[hyntty]

Since the schedule (and the layout) has been out since September, you lot wanting to make changes to it a few days before the race MAKES NO ****ING SENSE WHATSOEVER.

So expect deko to go along with it :|

[Seb66]

Since the schedule (and the layout) has been out since September, you lot wanting to make changes to it a few days before the race MAKES NO ****ING SENSE WHATSOEVER.

So expect deko to go along with it :|

It's 1 ****in pole. Chill out, no need to pull a hissy fit and delete the thread:really:

[baSh0r]

Since when it is out does play no rule at all. It is a minor change which turns out major, so after quali it should be totally fine and i think most teams will have no need for a reconsidering of the turns' line. There is virtually no change, but it gets soo much smoother and relaxing. Also come on....

[reason0809]

so whats the official rule now, if i hit the pole in qualy, my hotlap and the lap after wont be saved ?

[Tomhah]

Its not hard removing one single pole, Timo. Dont make it harder than it is. Who really bother to check the layout and stuff way before the race anyway? :P

[IMOL]

Just remove that pole... Its just 5 seconds...

[Seb66]

This message has been deleted by hyntty (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=166787). Reason: No swearing you ****tard

go delete ur post then :D. You just couldn't take that my post spoke the truth about you.. Go cry in another thread, we are trying to have a debate here:tilt:

E - Thx boothy for "un-deleting it" (as with this thread)

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Pole was set there from the start for a reason.

[dekojester]

The pole will stay.

No one has supplied sufficient reason why it should be removed - never saw any in MoE, either.

I'd much rather have a single pole get hit and respawn, instead of clipping tyres - the track cutting lot will always aim to use any space, and somewhere around 75-80% of the time will hit the object closest to your apex, causing respawning and scattering crap.

I'd rather have a pole be your target, than a tyre.

If I did move the pole, the tyres would be moved closer to the kerb chalk to compensate.

Or, I could just put red/white barriers and force you to stay a fair bit on the track.

Yes, it's a feeder series to IGTC/MoE on spirit / setup, but it doesn't have to do everything either series does - it's still its own series.


How the chicanes will be enforced:

Qualifying:
Boothy chicane pole touch = current lap invalid
Final chicane pole touch = current AND next lap invalid

Race:
Spot-checked by admins at random times;
Pole contact will generally be allowed, but repeat hitting of the tyres can merit a penalty (after warning to cease)

[Mustangman759]

so in race if you hit the pole no penalty generically?
edit: nvm you edit just as I edited :P

[Swiss-Spirit]

LET IT STAY.

So I can crash into it. Over and over again. Until I get a penalty. YAY.

[Drifters Only]

If you were hitting the pole all the time during practice you weren't bothering to change your line so it's your own problem if you hit it all the time IMO:razz:. I've been watching after myself for not hitting the pole and the chicane still feels good without cutting it. I don't see any problem in having the pole to stay:thumb:.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

In other news... Any test race tomorrow?

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Expect it to be at 19:00 UTC.

[Deutschland2007]

And in other news, there seems to be still no skin thread :|

[JackCY]

Is there going to be test race today at 19.00 UTC?

Pole is fine just keep the layout the same, it would make mess with Q1 and everybody would start hitting tires instead of a stupid pole. If you don't like the pole imagine it's a tire or red-white road block, that will keep you away from the pole the rest of us see.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Is there going to be test race today at 19.00 UTC?

;1563277']In other news... Any test race tomorrow?

Expect it to be at 19:00 UTC.

^

[boothy]

Test race replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9725404/GTAL2011Round6TestRace_Race.7z

Seemed worse than South City at some points, remember this place can be deceptive with the track width and fast corners. If you do spin, put your brakes on so you don't become a moving target.

Also, let's be a bit sensible with the chicane please, there were a lot of incidents there and also a lot of cutting in the gravel. :tilt:

[JackCY]

Seemed worse than South City at some points, remember this place can be deceptive with the track width and fast corners. If you do spin, put your brakes on so you don't become a moving target.

Also, let's be a bit sensible with the chicane please, there were a lot of incidents there and also a lot of cutting in the gravel. :tilt:
Did I start on right and ended up on left in double file? Gotta check but I just followed the car in front which took right so I took left.

First lap disaster. I don't know how is that possible, gonna have to check the replay what happened.

FZR left space inside, I took it than got closed maybe and contact and grass, got back, lot of cars around, lot of in front, next corner everybody trying to overtake each other, 2 cars spun I wanted to pass between didn't make it, got contact on rear wheel and spun, than disaster, cars all around, I didn't put the brake on I didn't even know where the hell am I, I was just hoping for race restart to be honest after that.
Repair after Lap 1, and was driving alone and alone, than some overtaking, some good some bad even from my side sorry, brakes locked when I braked later and couldn't turn in, sorry FZR, I hope that touch on oval wasn't revenge, I didn't mean to push you out but brakes betrayed me.

Had a fight with 03 and some FZR, was good :)

Boothy chicane, where was the pole? :D Once I even saw tires flying, I think the pole won't be there for a long time from the 6h race.

[reason0809]

for me it was a good test race, started 19th, the double file up is a bit dangerous there if everybody just brakes in the very last moment for the last turns, you end up in his rear end and same goes for the following drivers, thats why my rear was totally smashed. however i had a nice stint, as i avoided all the crashes and smashes in the first lap when almost everybody collided and ended up in the gravel or was spinning. i finished 8th position, but could've been 6th, if i wasnt sliding into the grass on turn 3 in the last few laps. had a nice fight with Jovanovic in his FZR until the last laps and i'm happy my tyres survived until stints end and could've been surviving even more longer :)

looking forward to have a good race :thumb:

[boothy]

Fixed the link :o

[sjoblom]

... the double file up is a bit dangerous there if everybody just brakes in the very last moment for the last turns, you end up in his rear end and same goes for the following drivers, that's why my rear was totally smashed ...

Maybe the line up should be done AFTER the last left U-bend in order to avoid this mass crash we saw today ... no way to get a descent line up in that U-bend imo! The guys in the middle and rear will be suffering hard in the start due to the mess then :shrug:

[Seb66]

I twatted a man up the arse into the boothy chicane. Sorry whoever it was

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Maybe the line up should be done AFTER the last left U-bend in order to avoid this mass crash we saw today ... no way to get a descent line up in that U-bend imo! The guys in the middle and rear will be suffering hard in the start due to the mess then :shrug:

Yes, cars are supposed to get lined-up after the last turn. I was the one too fast on the buttons today.

[reason0809]

SUGGESTION: Pacecar slows down the speed after boothy chicane to maximum 80kph, so people are slow enough for double file up before the last U turns to s/f and than goes away. Many people accelerated away from boothy chicane today to 200 kph or more and needed to brake immidiately at the last turns, so everybody was hit in the arse, thats not good :/

[reason0809]

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/demotivational-posters-meh.jpg

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Cars will be told to double-up AFTER the last turn at the first SC-line in the actual race, forget everything about where you were told to double-up in the testrace today. Sorry for the confusion.

[reason0809]

yeah yeah, but i just wanted to mention that in almost every race now there've been major arse damage, because the pacecar pulls away, and the leader accelerates to 200kph but than brakes heavily to go for double file up at 80kph. and this chain reaction is nuts, when everybody brakes a bit too late, and finally arse by arse got hit

so it was just an suggestion to slow down the pacecar a bit corner by corner in the last sector and the leader shouldnt go on too quickly, as sometimes the last 5-10 cars dont even have the chance to double file up

[dekojester]

The more intelligent thing, is for the leader to not accelerate - they're not really supposed to.

The other more intelligent thing, is for everyone to not following directly at someone's 6 o'clock. You don't have to be in perfectly straight a file until you're in formation - be ready to dodge left/right as the case may be to avoid "Surprise buttsecks"

[JackCY]

I was hoping for single file, with double file the first lap is just crazy overtaking and crashes :(
Maybe it could help, I don't know what to do to not get involved in a crash in a first few laps.

If I'm fast I overtake and end-up in a crash.
When I leave space I'm getting overtaken and get crashed from behind.
So I hope I'll be able to just follow and pass around the crashed cars in first few laps.
Or any tips?

[Framaris]

An other important thing I think, it is a 6h race, so maybe there is no point in trying to win it in the first lap? :razz:

Good luck everyone!:thumb: (qual and race)

[baSh0r]

An other important thing I think, it is a 6h race, so maybe there is no point in trying to win it in the first lap? :razz:

Good luck everyone!:thumb: (qual and race)

Yeah, just think of winning the race by endurance not by beeing lucky in Turn 1 ;)

[boothy]

Ironic that Inferno essentially won MoE GT2 on lap 1 at this track :tilt:

[baSh0r]

:smileypul

[Framaris]

Ironic that Inferno essentially won MoE GT2 on lap 1 at this track :tilt:

Even more ironic that an admin points us to the wrong example!:razz:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

In fact, Inferno took benefit of the others' sillyness AFAIK, by gaining places from the SR/ineX incident, which is a proof that you can win a race at turn 1, if you're intelligent enough to keep your nose clean and let the others hit each other;)

[IsaacPrice]

Everybody else lost the race at t1, Inferno didnt win it there. :nod:

[baSh0r]

;1563965']In fact, Inferno took benefit of the others' sillyness AFAIK, by gaining places from the SR/ineX incident, which is a proof that you can win a race at turn 1, if you're intelligent enough to keep your nose clean and let the others hit each other;)

Well thank you. Here is your 5$ and a busride home :hug:

[Kova.]

Hello, my team mate BIzO and me had signed for the league yesterday, we want to know if it's possible to race saturday.
Thanks for reply.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Well thank you. Here is your 5$ and a busride home :hug:

:o So kind of you.

[JackCY]

Well I know that it's endurance and no need to go crazy in first laps but explain it to the rest sometimes, they just go crazy so I have to leave space in the corners because they are trying to overtake, if they fail they crash me etc. hate that eagerness in first laps. And it's wilder the more down the grid you start.

Testrace:
Somebody got out on inlap so the doublefile was opposite side, at least for me on position 7, jumped to 6 during inlap.
I think somebody should have left the space there? So the double-file is correct side?
First lap, drunk braked later collided with drunk (M. W.) in turn, than closed inside of turn in front of me (as result of their collision) and made another collision with me.
Than 21 M. Wentjarvi made a nice mess with his fighting for 2nd position trying to overtake, ended up in huge collision behind the 1st and 2nd car, great job.
Really the only chance to win this is to get a pole, and don't get crashed by the cars starting behind.

[CSF]

How many teams have won from pole this season? :rolleyes:


Surely everyone knows by now if there is a timeout you all move up one position to not leave spaces. It's not bloody quantum physics.

[JackCY]

nobody it's pure random who wins
AS FX9 :D
SO XR9 :D
etc.
spectators must have great fun :)

[CSF]

:shrug: *shakes head sadly*

[J@tko]

Loving the bus skins, particuarly TEM :D:D

[manneF1]

facking high kerb:x

[sjoblom]

Yes, cars are supposed to get lined-up after the last turn. I was the one too fast on the buttons today.

Great decision :thumb:
Was rather ruff racing at the testrace ... hopefully drivers shape up and realize this race is going to last 6hr:s ... so its no victory won after 3 laps ...

[DeathItself]

I think it has more to do with people not wanting to get stuck behind a slower driver and be able to run their full pace, but yeah testrace was a mess I got hit from all sides ... I think

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Sorry for trying to join quali, came after dinner and saw that no one from our team was on track so I joined, thought that Osku didn't attend at all for some reason :/

[reason0809]

Session of Incident: Qualification day 2 group 2
Timecode of incident (may either be qualifying time remaining, race time, or mpr time): 8:20 remaining to the end of qualification
Your car Number: 25
Other Car(s) Involved: 19
Brief description of incident: car 19 slows me down in T1 after leaving pits for no reason while i was in my fast lap

are you serious ?
i left the pits and you came from behind, so i hold the line and slowed down there to give you way, you think it would've been better if i cross all the track and cause an accident ?

[martinson]

I think it has more to do with people not wanting to get stuck behind a slower driver and be able to run their full pace, but yeah testrace was a mess I got hit from all sides ... I think

Of course you don't want to get stuck behind a slower car, but you still need to pass the slower car proper without forcing the car out of the racing line.

And I still not understand the guy who tried to pass me on the outside into the oval section :|

[reason0809]

are you serious ?
i left the pits and you came from behind, so i hold the line and slowed down there to give you way, you think it would've been better if i cross all the track and cause an accident ?

i was watching the replay twice now and in my point of view there was still enough room left to go on as usual, since i braked normally into the turn like everybody else did. if you kept going on i surely was about to give room on the upcoming straight. not sure why you braked there and now reporting it like i was 1cm in front of your bumper, thats not true

[Seb66]

and dont know if it can be considered as rule violation but 00 Cattell wasnt in his fast lap while I was and he rammed the pole in boothy chicane for no apparent reason which confused me and got me out of pace as I was concentrating on not hitting the pole which wasnt there...
however as they dont get points there is no motivation whatsoever to protest against this

I'm pretty sure you can hit whatever the hell you like while not on a lap. Not sure why you'd feel the need to protest such a thing anyway, it's not like he was intentionally hitting the pole to put people off. Regardless, if he did do that on purpose, you go faster when the pole isn't there. That's why the Admins shoulda got rid of the pole:really: (which woulda stopped all this nonsense)

[dekojester]

I'm pretty sure you can hit whatever the hell you like while not on a lap. Not sure why you'd feel the need to protest such a thing anyway, it's not like he was intentionally hitting the pole to put people off. Regardless, if he did do that on purpose, you go faster when the pole isn't there. That's why the Admins shoulda got rid of the pole:really: (which woulda stopped all this nonsense)

If the pole is missing, you are expected to take the corner as if the pole was still there. We know where the pole is placed, and if it's not there and you cross that point, we take it as if you'd have hit it. The pole should have, and does stay.

The only pole that matters to the next lap are the poles in the final turn, just before Safety Car line 1. If you hit that, it invalidates the current AND next lap.

[Seb66]

If the pole is missing, you are expected to take the corner as if the pole was still there.

But how can you do that, when you don't know where the pole is?:Looking_a

[PMD9409]

You have the worst memory ever. Or you can just see how much each car can be on the white lines which will tell you if that car has hit the pole or not.

[bavorak]

I'm pretty sure you can hit whatever the hell you like while not on a lap. Not sure why you'd feel the need to protest such a thing anyway, it's not like he was intentionally hitting the pole to put people off. Regardless, if he did do that on purpose, you go faster when the pole isn't there. That's why the Admins shoulda got rid of the pole:really: (which woulda stopped all this nonsense)
well I totally disagree that if you are not on your hotlap you can hit whatever you want...it can put others in danger absolutely unnecessarily and to me it is just pure selfishness

I dont say he did on purpose but it was also easily avoidable...

so does this mean that if there is no pole at the time of you going through the corner you can cut it without penalty? it really is nonsense this whole pole rule
edit: I ve just read that you get penalty even if you dont hit the pole which isnt there...no comment

[sjoblom]

I think it has more to do with people not wanting to get stuck behind a slower driver and be able to run their full pace, but yeah testrace was a mess I got hit from all sides ... I think

Exactly my point, but not the way you interpreted it!
This is 6hr race, NOT a single hotlap.

Only poor racers get stuck behind slower drivers, skilled drivers pass in a clever way without crashing the slower driver!

Or should we just drive off-line recording our 6hr race and upload it to the admins? Sure noone would get stuck then ... but not much of racing either ...
... racing 6hr is more than just hotlapping and getting pissed of if some slower driver is ahead of you :x

[bavorak]

i was watching the replay twice now and in my point of view there was still enough room left to go on as usual, since i braked normally into the turn like everybody else did. if you kept going on i surely was about to give room on the upcoming straight. not sure why you braked there and now reporting it like i was 1cm in front of your bumper, thats not true
okey maybe it is just me being lame but I cant do my best when driving 10 meters behind other car... I still insist you should have let me go before T1 and that is exactly what I would have done...I really couldnt know if you even knew about me and if you were going to move away from the racing line :shrug:
I dont understand how that would put anyone in danger or how difficult for you it would be...

[reason0809]

okey maybe it is just me being lame but I cant do my best when driving 10 meters behind other car... I still insist you should have let me go before T1 and that is exactly what I would have done...I really couldnt know if you even knew about me and if you were going to move away from the racing line :shrug:
I dont understand how that would put anyone in danger or how difficult for you it would be...

when i left the pits i was looking at the map and have seen that someones coming down the straight, so i constantly looked into mirrors while thinking about what to do next, and as i was going to brake and turn into t1 i thought myself you're too far away that i may somehow could've blocked you. sure, i'd like to be all alone on the track too if i qualify or hotlap, but there are still 12, 14 or more other cars in the field that want to get a quick lap as fast as possible... and besides that it wasnt a 1-lap qualy, so i believe this harm "staying in the way" didnt effect in your best time at all.

sometimes i wonder myself why people take this game so serious and believe their life depends on it, as everybody is reporting this and that, but some may think about that this is an AMATEUR league and nobody is perfect. some actions are normal in racing, even though it would be in reallife. if i would report every bump, every hit and every blocking, deko would analyze the replays until 2014 :shrug:

[dekojester]

sometimes i wonder myself why people take this game so serious and believe their life depends on it, as everybody is reporting this and that, but some may think about that this is an AMATEUR league and nobody is perfect. some actions are normal in racing, even though it would be in reallife. if i would report every bump, every hit and every blocking, deko would analyze the replays until 2017 :shrug:

Fixed, gotta take into account my work schedule and amount of breaks from stupid protests :D

[reason0809]

:D ok

[JayEyeBee]

sometimes i wonder myself why people take this game so serious and believe their life depends on it, as everybody is reporting this and that, but some may think about that this is an AMATEUR league and nobody is perfect. some actions are normal in racing, even though it would be in reallife. if i would report every bump, every hit and every blocking, deko would analyze the replays until 2014 :shrug:

After reading your post, I thought that there must have been a bunch of frivolous protests, so I did a quick and dirty analysis.

I found about 40 protests (some of them were admin initiated) I found 3 that were deemed frivolous, 3 were dismissed as racing incidents. The others all had penalties or warnings applied (at least 2 of the protesters received the penalty).

I think that anyone could draw the conclusion that there have been relatively few frivolous protests, and that most of the protests have been as a result of poor race-craft. I also think that, if asked, all the teams would say that they've been involved in incidents that they thought were protestable, but decided not to in the end.

[bavorak]

sometimes i wonder myself why people take this game so serious and believe their life depends on it, as everybody is reporting this and that, but some may think about that this is an AMATEUR league and nobody is perfect. some actions are normal in racing, even though it would be in reallife. if i would report every bump, every hit and every blocking, deko would analyze the replays until 2014 :shrug:
Maybe I take this game a bit more serious than you do...and why not? I dont have a chance to compete in real races so I am trying to enjoy them in lfs as they were real and yes I get quite emotional when I am harmed by someone in situation that could have been avoided really easily

You wonder why people take this game so seriously...and I wonder why people cant be a little bit less selfish in some situations and look at it also from other racer's point of view so that not only they are enjoying the game but also they do not kill the fun for someone else

[reason0809]

Maybe I take this game a bit more serious than you do...and why not? I dont have a chance to compete in real races so I am trying to enjoy them in lfs as they were real and yes I get quite emotional when I am harmed by someone in situation that could have been avoided really easily

You wonder why people take this game so seriously...and I wonder why people cant be a little bit less selfish in some situations and look at it also from other racer's point of view so that not only they are enjoying the game but also they do not kill the fun for someone else

i dont see the point where i may killed your enjoyment in this game, since deko also decided it wasnt just me thinking that i was way to far away from you to somehow stay in the way and block you from doing a hotlap

good race anyways

[Kova.]

Power cut for me, portable computer's battery run ok :thumbsup: connected to internet by mobile phone as router :thumbsup: herm what ? no ffb, true...

[Kova.]

Power is back for me finally! :thumbsup:

good luck all, plz let me win, my birthday is in 4 days :tilt:

[juunasd]

Im not even sure is our 2nd driver joining 2day :D:schwitz:

e: yah he didnt come...= withdraw

[zippytheone]

Christ sake guys dont flip out on lap 1

GLA from a McDonalds computer in Swindon ;o

[Swiss-Spirit]

Christ sake guys dont flip out on lap 1

GLA from a McDonalds computer in Swindon ;o

Don't worry, I don't plan to.

[reason0809]

I was on fire !!! :d

[Swiss-Spirit]

I was on fire !!! :d

Where? Didn't see(maybe I was too far ahead?:razz:)

I am a bit sorry to Craven, but overtaking before that right hander = meh.

Went too deep into Harvey's slipstream and lost traction, at least I got it back on track without damage.

[reason0809]

started 26th and came into pits on position 9 (((:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Started 24th and came into the pits on position 1:smileypul

[Tur8o]

damn core .. made me come in on 2. :thumb:

but must say sorry to Piropo for slight tap in boothy chic car turned in uxexpected hope didnt affect you.

[Kova.]

Sorry to R.Heijermann at boothy chicane, missed my brake point :schwitz:

[Framaris]

THX to the great safety cars who brought me to the pit, the car wasn't steering any more and there was no way I could have gone back to the pit...when trying to steer with one hand in to the pit I changed settings in F12 and (in the panic lol) took almost all the fuel out of the car....what is it with us and those 6h races?? LOL :)

As for my crash, no idea what happened, I was passing two cars on the right when my car took off like there was no tomorrow...I'll wait for the replay.

Only thing left for us is the fastest lap, Heijerman going mental! :D

Good luck for the last 2H!!

Now I am just going to put my head in the ground for a couples of days! :D

[nathan246]

We were in 15th until we lost connection and made a bad decison to not pit while everyone was :|

[Gener_AL (UK)]

THX to the great safety cars :D

aye thanks chaps, when my car cut out I was checking my pedals everything then realised no fuel, ohhh fram how i swore :)

Thanks for the push

[Swiss-Spirit]

Damn, I was running so well, even close to P10, when I went sideways, and even after was okay.

But yeah, Jesse went all stunt-driver like and rolled when I told him that it's a critical place to roll, why don't you listen to me!:D

[Iginla]

I wanted try to be Ken Block, it ended pretty badly... :smileypul

Something went wrong when we doing our second pitstop; it didnt changed boothy as a driver. So, I did another hour but went too in that curb and then I flipped out.

Well.... :schwitz:

[Framaris]

aye thanks chaps, when my car cut out I was checking my pedals everything then realised no fuel, ohhh fram how i swore :)

Thanks for the push

Well you can't hate me more than I hate my self :smileypul...I mean I would have prefer to say that I forgot it...but I removed it GRRRrrrrr :x

[Swiss-Spirit]

I wanted try to be Ken Block, it ended pretty badly... :smileypul

Something went wrong when we doing our second pitstop; it didnt changed boothy as a driver. So, I did another hour but went too in that curb and then I flipped out.

Well.... :schwitz:

He said you shifted to first gear.

And if you notice going two-wheels, steer the other way and slow, even if you are going to kiss the barrier, better an additional pit as a DNF.

But hey, can't be helped now, let's look forward to BL:)

Our stagecoach was doing fine today though, nearly top ten:thumb:

[kart-36]

Gutted I couldn't race, decorating my room an couldn't get my Internet cable adapter so couldn't drive. Looks like indentity are doing a ficken awesome job :)

[baSh0r]

They did, such as MPRW, great result for you guys, gratz!

[Swiss-Spirit]

Well done to my "Trial-Team" TEM for finishing an awesome 5th as best FXR:thumb:

EDIT: Ofc to Identity and the other teams that did well!

[kart-36]

Yeah super job identity, sorry that I let you guy down and couldn't race. Great job :)
Also grats to the top 3 :) the drunk munapaa's :D

[reason0809]

it was the race of my live. such a good setup and my favourite track as some of you may already know.
the first hour went crazy, i was on fire and overtook driver by driver, when starting from 26th position and coming into pits on p9.
the last 2 stints where some kind of critical, because lomp did an early pitstop as he crashed in turn 9 and made changeover to jos, 15 minutes before stints end, so i had to compansate the minutes and drove 2 stints 10 minutes longer than it used to be, i was really struggling with understeering as the tyres where thin like a piece of paper, i was nervous like a pig and sweaty all over my body, luckily the tyres survived and we finished p12.

further review these days

GREAT JOB TO ALL OF YOU, GRATZ TO THE PODIUM :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[Hahmo]

The f-

Well, what's better than getting the car on 2nd hour and leading, having a battle with Sven for couple of laps, go wide, just drive for 1.5h cruising and doing some good times..

Well, Safety Car comes out and SCP (or whatever it is, serbian something) spin in T1 on restart and have to brake to watchout and everyone passes, back to 8th.. Well, get understeer in T9, hit the wall, go to pits to repair it and Isaac takes over and find out I didn't fix the damage :shy: Oh well, another lap and SC comes out and we get to fix it.

After Isaac's stints we were 3rd, I take the car and immediately when I get the lead from Identity, my computer just decides to turn off without any warning or anything - just went off.

Well, what's better than just cruising in the end, trying to do 22's with damaged car..

Could've won easily without technical problems.. meh.. Better luck next time
Grats to Identity, great job and great battle with you guys :thumb:

[manneF1]

What can I say :tilt:

Things didin´t look so good when starting to this race, 24th position wasnt what we expected. Testing the race set at the first quali and flipping at the first lap in the second one wasnt, what you could call "great".

Yann did an epic job to raise to 14th, after that it wasnt rather exciting second stint for me, got some positions. After that on Yann´s stint, SC came out and we decided to abandon our four stop strategy and go whit 1h stints to end. That worked well and we had 7th position when it came my turn to drive. We we´re planned that I´ll do the two last hours, but some bad lagging for me made us to make second thorughs. Somewhere during the second to last stint, I had an avast pop-up at the oval section. Luckely, I hitted the wall nose first and there wasnt any damage for suspension. We lost something like 15 seconds in that. My lag wasnt so bad anymore, so we desided to go whit the original plan and let me to do the last hour. Mpower and drunk overtook AMG quite fast and it didn´t take me too long either to get AMG. Seemed like Drunk was going to catch mpower and I tried to catch that group too, but its no chance to be faster than them whit the bus. Exciting moments for sure to mpower and drunk for such a close finish:thumbsup: Whitout that pop-up, I´ll belive we could even have podium, but being the best bus of the field whit 5th position, in a non good track for FXR.

Getting 3rd time in a row in top5 is great stuff indeed

Hopes high for blackwood! :)

[HONDALIIGA]

Session of Incident: Race
Lap of incident: 146 (last lap)
Timecode of incident (may either be qualifying time remaining, race time, or mpr time): 6h1min
Your car Number: 21
Other Car(s) Involved: 25
Brief description of incident: 25 doesn't leave room for 21 in last turns to outside line so 21 was not able to get side by side to next turns anyhow. Just before finish line 25 changes his line a little just before 21 was getting side by side so 21 had to do a rapid move to avoid getting hit. 25 finished 0.05 seconds before 21 so I'm sure this made us lose 1 position.
ok this is in my opinion just unnessesery you did good show tho

[JackCY]

Runas I know you're fast, but I was able to get to you, but wasn't able to pass, and was loosing down-force and time, then you got away as my tires got worn-out. But was hoping you let me pass so I get more distance from DRUNK.

Session of Incident: Race
Lap of incident: 146 (last lap)
Timecode of incident (may either be qualifying time remaining, race time, or mpr time): 6h1min
Your car Number: 21
Other Car(s) Involved: 25
Brief description of incident: 25 doesn't leave room for 21 in last turns to outside line so 21 was not able to get side by side to next turns anyhow. Just before finish line 25 changes his line a little just before 21 was getting side by side so 21 had to do a rapid move to avoid getting hit. 25 finished 0.05 seconds before 21 so I'm sure this made us lose 1 position.

Alright, I looked at it twice, you were a bit messy in the Boothy chicane, cutting in some laps, no offense everybody did it sometime or another. Good brakes on that FZR I have to say.

Last corner, I don't know how it's with NDR rules exactly but I remember those CRC rules (http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Clean_Racers_Club_Rules).
You've braked later than me and took the outside line, ended up in drift in the corner.
I cut the corner quite a lot still behind the apex we managed to hit, wasn't intentional I just didn't have were to go. You kept the front inside while sliding the rear.
O-1: To obtain right of road position in a corner, the overtaker's car must have substantial overlap of the car that is being overtaken, before they reach the corner's turn-in point. Should the overtaking car not have enough overlap, the leading car may resume its racing line without fear of contact. Maybe you managed to get some overlap on the brakes maybe not, but before brakes you didn't have, I don't have time to check the opposite side if you're flying there or not, sorry. So I cut and tried to leave you some space.

The straight, I don't know what to say, I have the right to make one change of line on the straight so I used it. It's called defending IMHO.
O-5: Ahead drivers have the right to choose any line down a straight. The ahead driver may make one move to block the opposing car, and one move to return to the racing line before the next corner - Unless the opposing car has overlap.
That's it.
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Good race, did have an unlucky collision in first Lap though, got overtaken by FXR which took slightly outside line, FXR driving too close, maybe lag and I got hit/kicked, turned around and slide out on grass while the FXR was unaffected, eager driving after start... never changes. Keep it cool guys, pls.
Car survived, then some other collisions happened when my teammates were behind the wheel, car received another damage but we were able to continue without repair.

[MonkeyHead]

Well that what happened on straight I don't know is line changing right word for it because in my car it was looking like a rapid dangerous move and that made me watch out a little and I made a fast rapid move too. I don't know how much I lost there but maybe it was worth of 0.05 that we lost for you before finish line.

And about that slide I just had to do it to make FZR turn better. Without that slide it would have been hard to get out of the turn on outside line.

[5ini5t3r]

Heres the link to the stream if anyone wants it :thumbsup:

http://91.121.145.38:8000/StreamIII/StreamIII_082.wmv

This one seems to be indexed: http://91.121.163.6/StreamIII/2011/StreamIII_20110305.wmv

[DeadWolfBones]

Extremely up and down race for CoRe, ending wayyyyyyyyyy down. Got to lead for an hour or so (off sequence), which is an extreme rarity for me, to say the least. Oh well, if not for the crappy server/connections we might have made a decent result out of this one.

[Kova.]

Reasonable first race for us :P
We're happy to race here, first hour was fantastic!
I've make a great start, I was on the rear of Yann, but prefering to stay calm and wise. :tilt: A freeze a boothy chicane mean i've brake a little bit earlier, but Lombardi had no reflex, and crash me on rear...
After the first safety car, i was on the same lap as leader who mean I was on the back of grid, on green flag I remember that i've passed 2 drivers until the t1 :Looking_a it was crazy!
I remember to pit in a very good P11, but the race was going to became serious and I lost 1 laps from leader. That mean I was in the middle for the 2 others sc, I was scared by the idea to make crash with guys who will pass me because of the blue flag. But fortunately, i haven't cause any crash, but i've seen 2 crashs after each restart. At the last crash, I switched between two drops of water like we said in french (that mean I passed very close between 2 cars)
I was supposed to pass the wheel to my team mate for 3h of race, but I finally pass it after 3h40 of race :P
Thanks to admin for let us racing, and thanks racers for the race!
See you maybe (i hope) for the next race!

[suzuki94]

The race was pretty good, in the beginning we had some problems and we were allready down to 20 something. But after 3 hours of the race we even was first for a little moment. After the last pitstop we had fixed damage on our car in total for 50secs and was about 8secs behind 3 place, Monkey fighted the hole last stint and after 6 hours we were 0.05secs from podium:x we just hitted the wall in turn 9 once to much cause it took 25secs to repair it:shrug: Atleast we still got a good position in the championship

And gratz to top-3, nice race there identity :smileypul

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Well, what can I say too:tilt:

With our 24th place on the grid, we thought we that couldn't aim for anything huge on a conventional strategy, so we decided to go for a 4 stopper. This was definitely risky since only Osku bothered doing a whole 1h12 test-stint, but since we both knew that I am smoother with the tyres than he is, we thought it could well work fine.

As planned with the huge train of cars in midfield, having a large amount of fuel wasn't quite an handicap for first stint. So I still managed to overtake a good amount of teams, taking benefit of the experience of this kind of situations I gained over the years. First SC helped us quite a lot also, since it removed the huge gap made between the two parts of the field, thanks to the early Great White North Racing train. I finished my stint fine and gave the car to Osku, who joined back around 14th. 10 places gained, quite the average when I start 1st stints around the back in GTAL, so that's okay.

Osku did a great stint too, putting us to 9th after stop n°2.

I just got back at the wheel when two SC occured in a row. At the second one(around 2h40) we predicted that a large amount of teams were going to pit, so staying on 4 stops was quite pointless. We decided to pit and switch on 5 stops. Our fast reaction meant that we went into the pits right after the SC message came in, allowing us to leapfrog a few more teams.

This meant that once everyone had stopped we would be back to 4th. Had fresh air and stuff but still couldn't manage to hit so much great times. But I still did good enough to maintain us around the front.

Osku came back for the last 2 stints. It appeared that we were set for 3rd, but a pop-up at the end of his 1st stint made us lose around 15 seconds and drop back to 7th, at the back of a 5 cars group fighting for 3rd. Osku managed to pass TDRT and AMG. He was more or less matching mpower and DRUNK but he just couldn't gain much ground on them.

We finally finished 5th, a couple of seconds behind the mpower-DRUNK duo. Slightly disappointed we missed a golden podium opportunity due to a technical problem, but a top 5 at ky3b is quite awesome for our small bus. We barely were aiming for a top 10 before the start.

Just a small statistic, looks like TEM is the first team after Inferno to pull three top 5 in a row this season. Obviously we're quite disappointed that our first 3 races were that bad for us because of different reasons, we wouldn't be far from the championship lead otherwise. But with a current 7th-8th position, within a very close group from 3rd to 10th, at one (bus-friendly) round to go, still some chances to do very good at the champ for us.

[MuderGO[LT]]

TEM - You did a very good job, congratulations. :)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Thanks:)

[Hahmo]

Yeah, great job TEM :thumbsup:
Of course there are few others teams to mention, like Identity, Inferno, Core, Genuine, all in all you guys did great, some with very bad luck and so on, great job guys :)

[Timo1992]

Awesome fail race for me again.....luckily my teammates managed to get a decent position in the end because I was not getting further in the beginning.

:smileypul

[Kid222]

I was told to do some write-up on APR behalf, so here we go:

It was my first race in GTAL, so i had to learn like completely new car, but it went quite ok. First hour i was trying to stay with the pack, but my pace wasn't that good and to add to that, i forgot to shut down Steam, so i was continuousily greeted with popup messages. When i tried to shut it down behind SC, i hit AMG car and failed at the Steam shutdown at the same time. Sorry for that AMG. I gave the car to Jarda, he continued with our standard pace and with some bad luck and 2 SC's he ended up one lap behind just behind leaders... After 2 hours he gave it to Geppert. It was his first GTAL race aswell and he did ok, until his connection gave up. He didn't set his numberplate and skin right, so we got 2 DT's. After that we were behind FSR and IRM, catching up quickly, Jarda did good job in his last stint and i was up for the last part. We overtook FSR and were just 8s behind IRM, when i lost my connection.:schwitz: Then it was just hotlapping and attempt to beat Jarda's best team lap, which i did, though i crashed and had to pit once more.

After all it was good, not finishing last after those events is huge success. :) Thanks to all for race.

[J@tko]

Awesome fail race for me again.....luckily my teammates managed to get a decent position in the end because I was not getting further in the beginning.

:smileypul
Ah, it's Timo Hoover :D

[Timo1992]

oh hai :smileypul

[bavorak]

Well what to say? 3rd place...something we havent even dreamed of... biggest achievement for mpower team... JackCY did hell of a good job...

as we resolved we havent been beaten by AWD in Japan :)
Thanks to everyone...thanks for every contact, every crash, every letting go on blue flag...it was all part of our great success... I cant even say how happy I am with this result :)

[Swiss-Spirit]

Awesome fail race for me again.....luckily my teammates managed to get a decent position in the end because I was not getting further in the beginning.

:smileypul

Tz tz tz tz Timo...

I overtook you again, you've got a FZR, aren't you supposed to let me for dust?:D

[Lombardi]

Round 6: Protests and Penalties
Ctrl + F
Search 31
Result : No
Mission complete

[reason0809]

hehe same goes for #19 cargame
there may've been some contact when defending or fighting for position, but hey, thats racing :thumb:

[Timo1992]

Meh my amount of practise was small again ;) That was the main reason why you FXR's could follow me :)

[jurisltu]

Meh my amount of practise was small again ;) That was the main reason why you FXR's could follow me :)

anyway Timo , you were the fastest guy in Fast Animals , and you made a big job in the start :thumb: . Without you we would not have achieved the same result :)

[JackCY]

Watched the replay yesterday again in fast forward, all accidents and ... I didn't find anything worth firing up a protest :thumb: good job
In first lap T2 it was too crowded and FXR got too close to us in the corner 2 when trying to overtake, so close that slow LFS refresh rate probably kicked us away but FXR continued the race, that's how we dropped to last position in Lap 1 :D (starting from pits would have been faster)
Was a long ride up the field.

Just my stats of overtaking:
6x in the fast right hander just after passing under bridge
1x in Boothy chicane
2x failed to overtake in T1 usually with some minor contact
and numerous others which were easy so I don't count them.
While on track I found that the corner after bridge is especially easy for overtaking FXRs, they can't get speed for the straight in the technical series of corners before straight.

Thanks for letting us pass under blue flags it was really nice to see, one FXR i think let us pass by taking high line on oval for example, thanks again.

What happened with Genuine racing? We saw them so many times during SC and off track. What was that crash on pit straight about? A lag? It was really nasty looking.

Trying to stay out of trouble really helped in the end.
Goal accomplished no FXR had beaten us :)

[seniecka]

anyway Timo , you was the fastest guy in Fast Animals , and you made a big job in the start :thumb: . Without you we would not have achieved the same result :)

+1 No doubt. Even after having difficulities with crashes Timo successfully recovered and since then he has been climbing up position by position all the race :thumb:

[Timo1992]

Thanks guys :schwitz:

Just one thing left to say: Sorry to Piropo for sending him off into the gravel in the early beginning of the race. Was just thinking you would back off at this part of the track but well I could have let you more room for that corner. Sorry :)

[Framaris]

What happened with Genuine racing? We saw them so many times during SC and off track. What was that crash on pit straight about? A lag? It was really nasty looking.


I was passing two cars on the right side of the track, Zion on the left and AMG in the middle with a badly damaged car, but AMG didn't back off in the end of the strait and touched the back of Zion which pushed him on to me, all of that coupled with a lag completely destroyed our car, couldn't steer or brake...when I saw all the cars crashing in to me I almost had a bad sprint reflex (shift+s)..anyway I'm not filling a protest as it would not change anything to our bad day at the office...@Cullen: plz be a bit more careful next time, specially with so much damages I don't know what you were thinking there.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Thanks for letting us pass under blue flags it was really nice to see, one FXR i think let us pass by taking high line on oval for example, thanks again.

Nah, it was me, and we were on the same lap actually. In fact we had a small contact at the Boothy chicane during a crazy restart like an hour ago, and as a result of that you lost a few places. I didn't really know whether I was at fault or not, but I nevertheless decided to let you pass when you caught me back.

Who knows, if I didn't do so, maybe we would've eventually had the few necessary seconds to finish in front of you:smileypul

[JackCY]

;1565029']Nah, it was me, and we were on the same lap actually. In fact we had a small contact at the Boothy chicane during a crazy restart like an hour ago, and as a result of that you lost a few places. I didn't really know whether I was at fault or not, but I nevertheless decided to let you pass when you caught me back.

Who knows, if I didn't do so, maybe we would've eventually had the few necessary seconds to finish in front of you:smileypul
oh yeah, Bavorak was driving, 3 cars (00 right, 25 middle, 10 left) into Boothy chicane, we had bad luck over there, was just few centimeters and it would all work well.
I had that feeling while in race, that you're in front, it was very noble move from you :nod:

[bavorak]

;1565029']Nah, it was me, and we were on the same lap actually. In fact we had a small contact at the Boothy chicane during a crazy restart like an hour ago, and as a result of that you lost a few places. I didn't really know whether I was at fault or not, but I nevertheless decided to let you pass when you caught me back.

Who knows, if I didn't do so, maybe we would've eventually had the few necessary seconds to finish in front of you:smileypul
I cant even express how I appreciate this gesture of yours... I remember the contact... when I thought everything was going well, I got a small hit to the rear and as I was almost sliding without any help it caused me to spin a bit and lost a few positions... it was just unfortunate situation where there were too many cars in boothy chicane at the same time...it would have been miracle if nothing happened
once again thanks for this... you've got my respect :)

[Tur8o]

Fram I could see something would go wrong and I had already got beside Zion before you got beside me. Anyway I braked to let you both enter t1 but lag had already struck. We had to repair on behalf of the lag also.

[JackCY]

sTaTs (http://home.zcu.cz/%7Ejcerny7/download/LFS/MpoWer/sTaTs/GTAL_2011_R6_results_race.html)

[reason0809]

:thumb:

[Swiss-Spirit]

GoC is missing, probably because of Jesse DNF'ing?

[Kova.]

Yes David, LFS Stat doesn't show DNFing drivers ;)

[DeathItself]

#13 TDRT finished 7th ... not 23rd and 68 laps down ? Not what the tracker says ;)

[bavorak]

#13 TDRT finished 7th ... not 23rd and 68 laps down ? Not what the tracker says ;)
lfs stats dont consider disconnects...and obviously you had one...if not I dont know what caused this

[DeathItself]

Yes it was a disconnect but it screws up a lot of things in the stats XD

I would rather see the median value rather than average, it would represent the pace more acurately I think.

[bavorak]

Yes it was a disconnect but it screws up a lot of things in the stats XD

I would rather see the median value rather than average, it would represent the pace more acurately I think.
yes that´s true...median is always more valuable than average (the same in economics ...average salary looks always better than median salary) because pitstop is relatively huge loss and screws up stats but on the other hand it is necessary and unavoidable...that is a good idea for JackCY to implement this into stats...and average lap is always given by order in finish...median will make some difference

[JackCY]

Yeah guys it's not perfect, just check the split times etc. pitstop times and so on should be fine, speeds are not accurate also the crazy top speed is probably a lag crash
disconnects **** it up also, graphs are hard to do, it's 6h and lot of gap, tried to make them in excel but it can't do what I wanted, it just says no more than 255 rows or something, and there is 3(splits)*146(laps)+1(split) amount of data, neraly 500 and it can't do graph from so much data :D
it's a prehistoric app not in development anymore, just for fun :)

but lap by lap looks always good :nod:

PS.: disconnects usually mean game over, so it wasn't ever implemented, think of it as a car technical failure :p your gearbox broke, what ever

[HONDALIIGA]

39 team top speed 290,78 how or was that team in that lag crash

[jurisltu]

39 team top speed 290,78 how or was that team in that lag crash
Chuck Norris hit this team with his spin and achieved 290,78 km/h :D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

39 team top speed 290,78 how or was that team in that lag crash

Genuine would've beaten this hands down after their incident with AMG, sadly all tracking was lost after they timedout.

[Tur8o]

We were in the lag crash too lol but maybe we were unfortunate in speed the wall slowed us down. Damn wall

[suzuki94]

I know you probably have many things do to but any idea when the final results will come?:shrug:

[CSF]

Before the next race.

[JackCY]

With the results from previous race, we know :D

For everybody who doesn't know, there are my unofficial results made from tracker finish order, so they're subject to change, penalties are not sorted out yet also.

provisional unofficial results (http://home.zcu.cz/%7Ejcerny7/download/LFS/GTAL/GTAL_Results.htm)

[boothy]

Could we also have a line graph with the points? :p

[hyntty]

People demand a pie chart!

[terga]

:thumb:

[J@tko]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/15/1a70ec24-0d70-4687-82fc-14aa90e9258a.png

[dekojester]

*snip uberbig pic*

Actually, you've got that backwards. The red should be work, the blue should be sleeping, and the next biggest should be getting away from Ellis. :D

[Hahmo]

Actually, you've got that backwards. The red should be work, the blue should be sleeping, and the next biggest should be getting away from Ellis. :D

Don't matter which way it is, it's still quite funny :tilt:

[Kova.]

:rofl:

[JackCY]

Could we also have a line graph with the points? :p

People demand a pie chart!
Line graph & Pie chart (http://home.zcu.cz/%7Ejcerny7/download/LFS/GTAL/GTAL_Results.htm)

They are pretty ugly :D

[boothy]

You've done it the wrong way - the axis should be the rounds, while the lines should represent the amount of points the teams have ;)

[JackCY]

You've done it the wrong way - the axis should be the rounds, while the lines should represent the amount of points the teams have ;)
what about this shit graph, it messed up my whole publish feature, damn ordering can't be changed easily

[bavorak]

I dont really get the point of the pie graph...it doesnt have any informative value
and boothy is right...Y axis should be teams and then X axis should be points but I think there is no need to change it because nobody gives a damn about these graphs :D
Official results would be far more appreciated

[JackCY]

For those who want fancy graphs, a CSV with the data (http://home.zcu.cz/%7Ejcerny7/download/LFS/GTAL/GTAL_Results.csv) :p

[boothy]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg?key=0AjkngK5SIpGKdDBIRDBIMDhKN0pHUm5aYzdCY0k4 eHc&oid=7&zx=bpqqer5lfdy6

:tilt:

[hyntty]

For those who want fancy graphs, a CSV with the data (http://home.zcu.cz/%7Ejcerny7/download/LFS/GTAL/GTAL_Results.csv) :p

If you separate shit with a semicolon it stops being a ****ing comma separated values -file

[Drifters Only]

:Looking_a Can't believe what Inferno did... :Looking_a

Mr. Golombeck has some explaining to do:schwitz:...

[suzuki94]

yea its abit sad that they have to do this stuff in an "amateur" league :shrug:

[Drifters Only]

Last resort to an already not too succesfull season maybe? But still, it doesn't justify what they did:shrug:...

Imo they lost a lot of their credibility also for non NDR related leagues:schwitz:

[baSh0r]

Well, what shall i say, i have no clue what happened in qualifying because i wasn't home.

Still then, a sorry to the participants for this foolish behavior. As i said i can neither give you or the admins any details because i have not got any information about this case. I guess, qualifying has apparently been done by another driver because nobody else had time which is the biggest problem in (not just) our team, which still doesn't reduce the severity of this. With no time and no motivation to drive, no good results do come so, I just want to state that nothing of this is planned, or highly intentional but rather an act of frustration :|

Even though i am not directly involved in this, it is my resposibility as a Team Manager to take accountability in this.

As a team - we want to deeply apologize and accept this penalty.

[JackCY]

So Inferno used a driver logged in on an account of a different driver? wow
I find it almost impossible to find that out and to be pretty sure.
What a pity big mistake for Inferno.

offtopic
If you separate shit with a semicolon it stops being a ****ing comma separated values -file
it still is a CSV, separator can be comma or semicolon, semicolon is better, it's more universal, I would setup Excel to use my national separators for decimal values they would be comma, how would you export that?
I can hardly remember if I ever saw a CSV with comma delimiters anyway.
Commas are in numbers and text, so semicolon is better :)

[baSh0r]

Its not impossible. You look at the server log and then trace the ip in comparison to the lfsw nick

[kart-36]

I remember SR (could be wrong, sorry if i am) did this with one driver :Looking_a
A few seasons ago now tho :D

[CSF]

No it was an SR driver who pretended to be someone else so he could drive with his Norwegian friends. Hence why they all have a nice ban.