KOVODEMONT ENDURANCE 2011 CUP 6hrs

[rododendron]

Hello racers,
we bring you a new endurance cup with GT2 cars (FXR,FZR,XRR with restrictors)

Start on 26.3.2011

Stream : http://www.livestream.com/lfstream

1. race of Kovodemont endurance 2011
Date : 26.3.2011
Time : 17:20 CET qualification ( 30 min )
17:50 - 18:00 CET break
18:00 CET race ( 6 hours )

Weather: cloudy, low wind
Server : - KxR racing zone -
Spare server : ALTP server
Password : Kingston



Come to server before 17:00 CET pls !!!


-Great atmosphere of 6 hours races
-Active Safety car and Push car
-In-sim software
-30 cars
-teams: 1 - ? members
-4 long tracks
-pit stops by your chose
-100% organization
-own website
-Live streaming
-great fun :)

-For more info check : http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=244&Itemid=161

-For registration : http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=243&Itemid=155

Team : "Knipex racing"
Car : "FZR"

Driver 1
LFS Nick : "rododendron"
Ingame nick : "KxR-Rodo"
e-mail: "blabla@tuctuc.com"

Driver 2 ......

Sent to kovodemont2011@kxr.cz

-Overall results : http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=159

-Start list : http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=230&Itemid=157

-Time schedule : http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=226&Itemid=156
(Qualification, break, race)

Server will be post here or in PM, between races you can train on -KxR racing zone- , passwort will be sent on PM after registration

Now excuse my english and dont hesitate to send an application ;)

See ya on track

KxR Team

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Looks nice, but I'd have a few questions and remarks.

Races dont interfere to others leagues and cups by dates.

Round 2 and 3 clash with LFS Endurance Series (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/competition/402).

-Active Safety car and Push car

What kind of incident can bring a Safety Car out?

-In-sim software

What does the insim do exactly?

-teams: 1 - ? members

So, this does mean you can do a whole race on your own, with no driver swap?

Points

1. 30
2. 26
3. 22
4. 18
5. 15
6. 12
7. 10
8. 8
9. 5
10. 3

There's a 3 points gap between 8th and 9th, aswell as between 10th and 11th, while gap between 6th and 7th is only 2 points. I don't get it, why is that?

We hope you have got a great internet connection, if you are disconnected from the race, you cant reconnect.

Why is that exactly? In all LFS endurance leagues/events I've taken part in or heard of, it was possible to rejoin after a disconnection.

I don't exactly understand the point of that rule. Especially since connection loss can also come from server failures.

[Sjoenne]

We would like to participate in the cup!

Team : "DABAR Racing"
Car : "FZR"

Driver 1
LFS Nick : "sjoenne"
Ingame nick : "DABAR Sjoenne"
e-mail: Not included here in public (blabla@tuctuc.com)

Driver 2
LFS Nick : "wildstyle"
Ingame nick : "DABAR wildstyle"
e-mail: Not included here in public (blabla@tuctuc.com)

Best regards,

Lars

PS: I've sent this as a mail also

[Sjoenne]

I've just received a mail back.... in czech... maybe you should keep this in english :smileypul

[Cornys]

What will the car restrictions be? and is there a chance that somebody like myself could race in only 1 of these events? I am not able to keep up pace in any GT car (GT2 I'm even worse at than GT1)

I'd like to run the oval though just for the experiance, and I'd think about running the full season if somebody'd race with me who isn't particularly quick. (I could do oval by myself)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

What will the car restrictions be?

cars for these races will be determined as follows: FXR with 23.0% restrictor .... XRR with 24.0% ... FZR with 20.0%

http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=244&Itemid=161

and is there a chance that somebody like myself could race in only 1 of these events?

-teams: 1 - ? members

I assume this means yes, however I asked for a confirmation in my first post already.

GT2 I'm even worse at than GT1

That's quite worrying actually, since they are a lot easier to drive. You've probably taken wrong habits with them, or are driving with bad sets.

[MoMo92i]

Interesting :)

FYI : Kyoto was the Japanese empire main city ;) SO Kyoto Ring is in Kyoto ;)

[Cornys]

;1546677']http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=244&Itemid=161


I assume this means yes, however I asked for a confirmation in my first post already.

That's quite worrying actually, since they are a lot easier to drive. You've probably taken wrong habits with them, or are driving with bad sets.

Thanks, I didn't see the restrictions on the information page for some reason.

Well, as far as GT1 vs. GT2 goes, I usually take entrys soft and try to roll the center and exit as quickly as possable. I find them just as easy to drive, and I rarely run off course with them, but GT2 I'm about 2 seconds slow (per 1 min.) and in GT1 I'm about 1.5 seconds slow (per min.)

I drive them like they have no downforce because I'm not used to vehicles that have it I think. GT2's lack of acceleration keeps me to lower speeds longer and thus slows me down for a longer period of time.

1 other question, must we remain on the same vehicle for each event or can we change for different ones?

Also, why does the FZR only have 20% while the slowest car (FXR) has 3 more %? Basicaly it makes you have to take FZ2 in order to hold a candle to the rest of the competition. The lead FX2 would finish the 6 hour oval event about 4 laps down to the FZ2's if neither had issues.

[rododendron]

;1546497']Looks nice, but I'd have a few questions and remarks.



1-Round 2 and 3 clash with LFS Endurance Series (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/competition/402).



2-What kind of incident can bring a Safety Car out?



3-What does the insim do exactly?



4-So, this does mean you can do a whole race on your own, with no driver swap?



5-There's a 3 points gap between 8th and 9th, aswell as between 10th and 11th, while gap between 6th and 7th is only 2 points. I don't get it, why is that?



6-Why is that exactly? In all LFS endurance leagues/events I've taken part in or heard of, it was possible to rejoin after a disconnection.

I don't exactly understand the point of that rule. Especially since connection loss can also come from server failures.


1- sorry i was only informed about this thing. (repaired, but we will maybe find another date)

2-we have to make a decision in few days, i will post it

3- For example : watch the restrictors, kilograms. You can control flags any many more

4-yes, you can go only on your own if you are crazy :)

5-remaked by GTAL

6- ok, we will debate about this and bring a decision in few days


We post this cup so early just becose we want to remove all bugs with help of racers.

I hope i have helped you a little bit ;)

[rododendron]

1 other question, must we remain on the same vehicle for each event or can we change for different ones?

Also, why does the FZR only have 20% while the slowest car (FXR) has 3 more %? Basicaly it makes you have to take FZ2 in order to hold a candle to the rest of the competition. The lead FX2 would finish the 6 hour oval event about 4 laps down to the FZ2's if neither had issues.

yes you have to chose your car and go every race with this car.Its your strategy what car will you chose for your best performance.

Restrictors are taken from another races (GTAL ? IGTC ?) i dont know exactly. These values of restrictor are very great on classic tracks, but oval is really slowly in FXR

[Tur8o]

Don't want to sound rude but the schedule is quite short and tracks are fairly lousy this is only thing holding me back on signing up and wasting your time anyway we can poll how Many races this season and oval is pretty boring with gt2 and fe4r is one of the hardest tracks I ever drove before. Maybe rethink these to ky2/3 (r)? And fe4 normal way? Then add 2-4 new tracks?

Thanks for reading.
Tur8o

[GreyBull [CHA]]

1- sorry i was only informed about this thing. (repaired, but we will maybe find another date)

2-we have to make a decision in few days, i will post it

3- For example : watch the restrictors, kilograms. You can control flags any many more

4-yes, you can go only on your own if you are crazy :)

5-remaked by GTAL

6- ok, we will debate about this and bring a decision in few days


We post this cup so early just becose we want to remove all bugs with help of racers.

I hope i have helped you a little bit ;)

Yep, looks better already;)

Restrictors are taken from another races (GTAL ? IGTC ?) i dont know exactly. These values of restrictor are very great on classic tracks, but oval is really slowly in FXR

Restrictions are taken from GTAL 2010 and (I belive) MoE 2009-2010, maybe even 2008-2009.

GTAL recently switched on 21(FZR)-24(FXR)-25(XRR) for its 2011 season, as the FZR used to have a slight advantage on pace.

However, most GTAL races are 3 hours long. This is a 6 hour races cup, and strategy will have a way more important influence(while in 3 hours races, you have for only option to stick on the default strategy(2 stops), unless you're a tyre management god, and wanna stick with a 1 stopper, which is possible on some tracks with FXR/XRR. This has been tried a few times in GTAL, but no one managed to make it stick eventually).

Since XRR and FXR are kinder on tyres and fuel, they will have a big advantage on that point. I belive you can easily go on 4 stops on more or less all tracks in FXR/XRR, while this will could be a tough task in FZR. This is why I belive it's better to stay with 20-23-24 instead of going on the new 21-24-25 package.

Don't want to sound rude but the schedule is quite short and tracks are fairly lousy this is only thing holding me back on signing up and wasting your time anyway we can poll how Many races this season and oval is pretty boring with gt2 and fe4r is one of the hardest tracks I ever drove before. Maybe rethink these to ky2/3 (r)? And fe4 normal way? Then add 2-4 new tracks?

Thanks for reading.

Tur8o

I agree for oval, but not really for the rest. Fe4r has proven to be a fine track in the 2010 16 hours race. And I can't see what's wrong with Ky3/As5r.

And TBH, I belive it's better to keep it short. Those guys have no real experience to league racing organisation I belive(unless they've organised national leagues I'm not aware of). Better for them to have a short 1st season instead of being overwhelmed with a large schedule. Organising an endu league is a pretty much tough thing to do. And afterall, we have 24 hours of racing overall, which is far from being small(as a comparaison, LFS' most prestigious endu league ever, MoE, has been sticking with 60 hours seasons since it's very beginning. Meanwhile GTAL currently has a 36 hours season).

[Tur8o]

I can't seem to quote on my phone but I intend to quote Yann's reply to me.

No I agree KY3+AS5r are good but still that is half the schedule I was just saying maybe couple more tracks because the points standings are so far apart that 20 cars on track won't get any points. I agree fe4r is a fun challenge but it's far from as fun at racing to fe4 maybe add south city I dunno or another Aston track they are very fun and gtal practically finishes as this starts and could be a busy league of it kicks off at this time.

Thanks
Tur8o

[wildstyle]

Are you going to make an english version of your website? It's not very user-friendly for non-czech attendants, that basically all of your site is in czech.

Will you be using boothy-chicane on KY3?

And how about the decals for the race? Where can I get a hold of them?

Cheers,
wildstyle

[Sjoenne]

Replacing the FE4R with AS6 and KY1 with KY2R would be freaking nice!:smileypul

Six hours of KY1 makes you wanna kill yourself hehe

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Replacing the FE4R with AS6

Why? There's already AS5R in the schedule.

[Sjoenne]

;1546993']Why? There's already AS5R in the schedule.

I like Aston better than FE - that's why... and I don't see the problem in having 2 races at Aston.. not when they are so different as AS5R Vs. AS6 are...

[Tur8o]

I'd like 2 aston's aha ;) but you know cBt always get what you want we'll wait for admin reply.

[rododendron]

Tracks are already fixed. Only thing what we wanna impove are rules. Each driver likes other tracks. We arent able to makes everybody happy :).

[rododendron]

Reconnect

Will be possible, we will use a tracker probably. So if you disconnect, you can join the race again and continue.

[rododendron]

Will you be using boothy-chicane on KY3?


No, boothy-chicane will not be used, but there will be a straw bales, so you will be not able to cut the turn.

[wildstyle]

No, boothy-chicane will not be used, but there will be a straw bales, so you will be not able to cut the turn.

OK, that sounds reasonable.

How about the decals?

[rododendron]

Are you going to make an english version of your website? It's not very user-friendly for non-czech attendants, that basically all of your site is in czech.


We are sorry, we havent enough time to do this, we are all man at work :)

But rules are translated and every importent things we can deal here on forum.

If you got any question ask me.
Thanks

[rododendron]

OK, that sounds reasonable.

How about the decals?

Yeah man we are making them now. We will post it on forum this week i hope :)

[rododendron]

DECALS

Are available on http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=227&Itemid=158 , for download PSD format, click on the car name

[rododendron]

We have changed few rules about Safety car, i will translate it and post it here this week.

We will probably use a live streaming of the race for drivers who will waiting for substitution of teammate and for other spectators

[Dinodoom]

do be sure
Na server je nutné přihlásit se nejpozději v 17:00.

1. Kvalifikace: 30 min. 17.20 – 17:50
2. Přestávka: 10 min. 17.50 - 18.00
3. Závod: 6 hod. 18.00 - 00.00
it's UTC?

[Flame CZE]

I'm afraid the times are in UTC +1.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I assume they are in GMT+2 for round 2,3, and 4, since AFAIK Czech Republic switches from +1 to +2 on the 27th of March, like most of Europe.

[Flame CZE]

Ah yes, you got the point.

[rododendron]

Hello,
pls re-read the rules http://kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=244&Itemid=161, some things have been changed.


And send a registrations please, we have to organize a TEST RACE about 2 hours, for test a server, in-sims, streaming, and YOUR DRIVE SKILL :).
Date of test race we will post here.
Thanks, KxR Team

[wildstyle]

How about disconnections? Are you still not allowed to reconnect to the server, if you somehow get disconnected? Also, I still think you should reconsider using the boothy-layout on KY3. It makes the track alot more interesting.

It is a bit unclear to me, but are we supposed to sign up for the test-race? Or are you just encouraging other teams to participate in the league?

[rododendron]

How about disconnections? Are you still not allowed to reconnect to the server, if you somehow get disconnected? Also, I still think you should reconsider using the boothy-layout on KY3. It makes the track alot more interesting.

It is a bit unclear to me, but are we supposed to sign up for the test-race? Or are you just encouraging other teams to participate in the league?


You can reconnect the race, i wrote it here :), but i forgot write it to rules :), we will use a tracker which will remember your laps and you will continue in the race

Test race is not mandantory, but we need the most of racers to test a server stability, it will be around 1 or 2 hours long, only for fun, test, train a safety car rules, and meet the racers, we hope you will go in this race.
Thanks

[wildstyle]

You can reconnect the race, i wrote it here :), but i forgot write it to rules :), we will use a tracker which will remember your laps and you will continue in the race

Test race is not mandantory, but we need the most of racers to test a server stability, it will be around 1 or 2 hours long, only for fun, test, train a safety car rules, and meet the racers, we hope you will go in this race.
Thanks

Oh sorry, didn't see that you already wrote it here.

We would like to attend the test race, though it still depends on the date it will be driven on. Do you know what track you will be using for the test race?

[Bmxtwins]

KxR, I can make you some more channels in our teamspeak if needed.

[Bmxtwins]

We'll try and make some.

Team : Last Lap Motorsports
Car : TBA
Driver 1
LFS Nick : Bmxtwins
Ingame nick : [LLM]Ray K.
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 2
LFS Nick : Senninha25
Ingame nick : [LLM]Rui P.
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 3
LFS Nick : Chris Kasch
Ingame nick : [LLM]KASCH
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 4
LFS Nick : SennaSS
Ingame nick : [LLM]HARRIDGE
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 5
LFS Nick : MousemanLV
Ingame nick : [LLM]Elvis L.
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 6
LFS Nick :denny12
Ingame nick : [LLM]T.Koreny
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 7
LFS Nick : santexfz
Ingame nick : [LLM]M.Loda
e-mail: you can PM me here.

Driver 8
LFS Nick : HeikkiTuom
Ingame nick : [LLM]Heikki T.
e-mail: you can PM me here.

[rododendron]

BMXTWINS:

ok man, but what about make two teams with 4 riders ? :), More cars, more fun :)

[Sjoenne]

So, Rodo... how about that testrace? When and where?

[Sjoenne]

A 2 hour testrace @ KY2 would be nice! :)

[rododendron]

Hi,
if you want, you can write your wish about track for test race here :
http://forum.czechlfs.net/showthread.php?p=127453#post127453

[Sjoenne]

It might just be me thinking this(but it isn't), but why the hell don't you keep all info in english??

If you want to keep non-czechs in this cup, I suggest you stick to english.

[rododendron]

It might just be me thinking this(but it isn't), but why the hell don't you keep all info in english??

If you want to keep non-czechs in this cup, I suggest you stick to english.


Because a lot of people cant speak English (including me:)), and every important things I translate here. Dont worry, i will tell you every importent things in English on forum, and answer the questions. The url which i posted here is for your vote about track in test race, nothing else, now is a leader some FE track, and date of 27.2.2011

[rododendron]

Date of Test race 27.2.2011 !!!!
FE3 no wind, 1 hour
after race we will try a few laps on Oval

[Sjoenne]

GYGYG gygyg gaagagagaa

[Sjoenne]

So you have stopped voting for a track now??

[rododendron]

Yes, we have to race on the 27.2. because other dates later are full and racers need some time to training on the current track. We have taken FE3 because it is hard track and we need to try safety car procedure, and it is great track for this.
Each racer likes another track, we arent able to make happy everyone. I hope you understand it a you will enjoy it. Thanks

[rododendron]

Hello racers,

Test race date is 27.2.2011
Track: FE3 Gold
Lenght: 1 hour
Weather: no wind
Come to server max at: 19:30h UTC+1 (CET)
Server: ALTP server
Password : kovodemont

[Dinodoom]

you are forgotten to delete old text under penalty.
under Race is:
If you will disconnected, you can rejoin the race, we will use a tracker which will remember your laps and you will continue in the race

and under Penalty you have the old text which are:
We hope you have got a great internet connection, if you are disconnected from the race, you cant reconnect.

do we need use on test race mandatory car skin elements ?
Have test race mandatory bit stop?
What about name format?

[rododendron]

you are forgotten to delete old text under penalty.
under Race is:
If you will disconnected, you can rejoin the race, we will use a tracker which will remember your laps and you will continue in the race

and under Penalty you have the old text which are:
We hope you have got a great internet connection, if you are disconnected from the race, you cant reconnect.

do we need use on test race mandatory car skin elements ?
Have test race mandatory bit stop?
What about name format?


Ou sht:) , thx man, im blind

Test race is only for test all things (server, insims,etc..), you can take skin which you want, you havent to have mandantory elements,
Pitstop is not mandantory, its your vote
You can take a nickname in test race that is no problem.

So see ya on tommorow

[rododendron]

TEST RACE STATISTICS


http://cid-ad5da238ac8c14d4.office.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Live%20for%20Speed/Kovo-testrace-stats.zip

[wildstyle]

Good race yesterday, guys. :)

Most things seemed to be in order, though there were some confusion during the start and during safety-car.

I still believe you should stick to using two rows on the start. Using one row results in too much distance between the cars when greenflagged. It clearly showed that yesterday.
Take a look at how they do it in Masters of Endurance. From a certain point on the track, the cars are no longer allowed to heat up tires and are forced to start formatting into two rows. Having some clear rules for how its done, is really important and will make it alot more smooth. :)

There were problems with the speedlimits during SC and pace-car aswell. I watched some of the replay and it was quite clear, that most of us were going faster than the allowed speedlimits.
A while before the SC is leaving the track, tire-heating shouldn't be allowed, and people should gather up closely behind the SC. Just like on the start. When the SC leaves the track, you keep the current speed (120 km/h) until the leader crosses the start/finish line and the green flag is waved. Yesterday people just went full speed through the last corner, on to the main straight, before the race was greenflagged.

Oh and regarding the name formats... The format we used yesterday (carnumber - teamname - drivername) worked out ok, but I think it would be better (and easier) to just use the car-number and drivername (ie. 003 - wildstyle). It would make it less of a hassle for most of the drivers and I believe it would be a bit more manageable this way. :smileypul

[rododendron]

Good race yesterday, guys. :)

Most things seemed to be in order, though there were some confusion during the start and during safety-car.

I still believe you should stick to using two rows on the start. Using one row results in too much distance between the cars when greenflagged. It clearly showed that yesterday.
Take a look at how they do it in Masters of Endurance. From a certain point on the track, the cars are no longer allowed to heat up tires and are forced to start formatting into two rows. Having some clear rules for how its done, is really important and will make it alot more smooth. :)

There were problems with the speedlimits during SC and pace-car aswell. I watched some of the replay and it was quite clear, that most of us were going faster than the allowed speedlimits.
A while before the SC is leaving the track, tire-heating shouldn't be allowed, and people should gather up closely behind the SC. Just like on the start. When the SC leaves the track, you keep the current speed (120 km/h) until the leader crosses the start/finish line and the green flag is waved. Yesterday people just went full speed through the last corner, on to the main straight, before the race was greenflagged.

Oh and regarding the name formats... The format we used yesterday (carnumber - teamname - drivername) worked out ok, but I think it would be better (and easier) to just use the car-number and drivername (ie. 003 - wildstyle). It would make it less of a hassle for most of the drivers and I believe it would be a bit more manageable this way. :smileypul


thx for your post, we know the problems about SC and start and other, we will repair it to the main race, thats it why we gone a test race :)

[wildstyle]

thx for your post, we know the problems about SC and start and other, we will repair it to the main race, thats it why we gone a test race :)

Just to be clear... Are you guys planning on doing another test race? Or did I misread your post? :)

[rododendron]

Just to be clear... Are you guys planning on doing another test race? Or did I misread your post? :)


We dont planning, but we will try it before race on a race day certainly few times, so i hope it will be alright :)

[xtraction]

Yanns first post. LOL!

totally awsum stuff :shy:

[wildstyle]

Are the races still going to be streamed live? And how about commentating?

[Kid222]

Are the races still going to be streamed live? And how about commentating?
Yes. Yes. Not sure about english talking though.

[wildstyle]

Yes. Yes. Not sure about english talking though.

OK, I'll keep my fingers crossed. :tilt:

[rododendron]

Hello guys,
dont forget, this saturday we will started ;)

[Timo1992]

would like to take part in this, so if any team is searching for a driver feel free to contact me

i was doing EGT cup on Sunday on this track as well, maybe some people from the czech community know me from it.

just want to have some fun although i'm not that fast:razz:

[masterful]

would like to take part in this, so if any team is searching for a driver feel free to contact me

i was doing EGT cup on Sunday on this track as well, maybe some people from the czech community know me from it.

just want to have some fun although i'm not that fast:razz:


Rodo you answer me I can not much English

[rododendron]

1.race of Kovodemont endurance 2011

Date : 26.3.2011
Time : 17:20 CET qualification ( 30 min )
17:50 - 18:00 CET break
18:00 CET race ( 6 hours )

Weather: cloudy, low wind
Server : - KxR racing zone -
Spare server : ALTP server
Password : Kingston



Come to server before 17:00 CET pls !!!

[Dinodoom]

is there any broadcast on, and if yes, then what is the address?
if no, then is it possible to trace tracker?

[wildstyle]

is there any broadcast on, and if yes, then what is the address?
if no, then is it possible to trace tracker?

http://www.livestream.com/lfstream

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Nice effort with the stream guys, but I'd advice you to run TV Director (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=14147) next time, default cams aren't fitting so well with livestreams.

Would be nice if you could get a race tracker (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=73414) also.

[Timo1992]

Race was good, guys. I'm happy with my mate and my perfomance apart from the crash.

As Yann pointed out. Next time you will definitely need a tracker for those who timed out. You should write a pm to boothy for that.

What I didn't like about this race was the fact that there was some big chat in the end. You should give DT's for each chat line next time.

Ye I know I was chatting one or two times as well, but that was because I was unsure about the rules concerning the SC.

[rododendron]

We was using a tv director in previous races, i dont know where was problem today, and tracker we want too, we will try it for next time, i will contact Boothy about help.

but thx for interesting race and experience, for next time we will heve a better server, its our first bigger cup, so pls sorry for some mistakes, we will do everything for eliminate it for next time


if you have anything on heart about the race, pls post it here http://forum.czechlfs.net/showthread.php?t=2823 (protests, feelings, etc.) and if you know, pls post there when your connection failed (lap and team number) thx

[Kid222]

Stream was my concern, i got late to my PC, just before race and couldn't get the cameras working, there were holes in the track textures, so my choice was done there. I'll try to get more spots next time, because 50 people was off my expectations scale.:)

Also i hope tracker, race penalties and more race stewards will be present next time. Don't give up on us, it's gonna go better.:cyclops:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

We was using a tv director in previous races, i dont know where was problem today, and tracker we want too, we will try it for next time, i will contact Boothy about help.

No need to contact him AFAIK. He released the whole thing recently(http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=73414), downloading it and following the instructions should be enough. Never tested it myself though.

[wildstyle]

Race was good, guys. I'm happy with my mate and my perfomance apart from the crash.

As Yann pointed out. Next time you will definitely need a tracker for those who timed out. You should write a pm to boothy for that.

What I didn't like about this race was the fact that there was some big chat in the end. You should give DT's for each chat line next time.

Ye I know I was chatting one or two times as well, but that was because I was unsure about the rules concerning the SC.

I agree about the tracker and the chatting during the race.

A tracker is a must have during an endurance race. I have to admit that I don't really understand how you can announce that a tracker will be available, when you clearly aren't able to set it up.

In the .docx document that was send out earlier today it was also made clear, that chatting during the race is not allowed, and that it will result in a DT penalty.
I wrote the document in order for non-czech participants to be able to understand the rules better. The small-english part of the KxR site lacks a lot of information and is very unclear, so I took the time to translate it and make it easier to understand.

However; there's still quite a few things missing. But since I'm not the one who calls the shots and I'm not a part of the administration, I didn't want to change or add anything other than a some parts that needed to be changed to make it understandable.

There must be (!!!) some clear and understandable rules for when the SC is deployed. Almost everyone was still in doubt when to pass and when not pass. Some cars passed lapped cars during SC, others didn't. There were also confusion when a crash occured under SC, nobody knew if the driver that crashed could reclaim his former position or if he just had to stay in his current position.

And as most of you already know... A better server is needed. Waaaay too many accidents due to lag. Cars kept dissapearing and out of nowhere - they reappeared right in front of you.

Overall it was a rather dissapointing experience. I also hoped for a bigger grid, hopefully there will be more drivers in the next round.

And one last thing before this posts is tl;dr... When putting together a series of races that welcomes foreign teams and drivers. You simply have to do the main part of the event in english. It really doesn't work out when all the non-czech's don't understand 90% of what's going on.

To make this a better cup, you need to do the following;

- Make sure to have all (!) the information written in proper english - from the beginning.
- Create a proper set of rules. The ones you already have is ok - but there are still a lot missing, which ends up confusing everyone.
- Before promising that there will be a tracker, please make sure that you have one available and be sure to know how to set it up.
- Use a server that can handle the amount of estimated drivers. Just imagine what it would have been like if there had been 20+ cars on the server. :schwitz:
- Don't have the commentator on the stream acting as the push- or safety-car driver. It was hella boring on the stream, while the SC was on track (and that was a lot).
- Be more strict about the rules; ie. there were drivers that didn't use their real names - that should be penalized. People were also speeding under SC even the SC itself were going up to 170 km/h.
- Use the TV Director on the stream. I'm sure the czech commentators did a great job - but it would be a lot more versatile if you had some english speaking commentators.

Don't take this critisiscm the wrong way. It's great that people take the time to do this kind of events. But there's still a long way to go. I'm sure it will be better next time though. :)

[rododendron]

I agree about the tracker and the chatting during the race.

A tracker is a must have during an endurance race. I have to admit that I don't really understand how you can announce that a tracker will be available, when you clearly aren't able to set it up.

In the .docx document that was send out earlier today it was also made clear, that chatting during the race is not allowed, and that it will result in a DT penalty.
I wrote the document in order for non-czech participants to be able to understand the rules better. The small-english part of the KxR site lacks a lot of information and is very unclear, so I took the time to translate it and make it easier to understand.

However; there's still quite a few things missing. But since I'm not the one who calls the shots and I'm not a part of the administration, I didn't want to change or add anything other than a some parts that needed to be changed to make it understandable.

There must be (!!!) some clear and understandable rules for when the SC is deployed. Almost everyone was still in doubt when to pass and when not pass. Some cars passed lapped cars during SC, others didn't. There were also confusion when a crash occured under SC, nobody knew if the driver that crashed could reclaim his former position or if he just had to stay in his current position.

And as most of you already know... A better server is needed. Waaaay too many accidents due to lag. Cars kept dissapearing and out of nowhere - they reappeared right in front of you.

Overall it was a rather dissapointing experience. I also hoped for a bigger grid, hopefully there will be more drivers in the next round.

And one last thing before this posts is tl;dr... When putting together a series of races that welcomes foreign teams and drivers. You simply have to do the main part of the event in english. It really doesn't work out when all the non-czech's don't understand 90% of what's going on.

To make this a better cup, you need to do the following;

- Make sure to have all (!) the information written in proper english - from the beginning.
- Create a proper set of rules. The ones you already have is ok - but there are still a lot missing, which ends up confusing everyone.
- Before promising that there will be a tracker, please make sure that you have one available and be sure to know how to set it up.
- Use a server that can handle the amount of estimated drivers. Just imagine what it would have been like if there had been 20+ cars on the server. :schwitz:
- Don't have the commentator on the stream acting as the push- or safety-car driver. It was hella boring on the stream, while the SC was on track (and that was a lot).
- Be more strict about the rules; ie. there were drivers that didn't use their real names - that should be penalized. People were also speeding under SC even the SC itself were going up to 170 km/h.
- Use the TV Director on the stream. I'm sure the czech commentators did a great job - but it would be a lot more versatile if you had some english speaking commentators.

Don't take this critisiscm the wrong way. It's great that people take the time to do this kind of events. But there's still a long way to go. I'm sure it will be better next time though. :)


Ok man, we will do everything to make it better for next time, the main thing will be the other server, i hope the tracker, edited rules about SC (forbidden overtaking SC, when you crash under SC you lost your position),and TV director (i dont know why it didnt work yesterday)

Its need a lot of people, and its so difficult, czech rep is little ****ing country and its difficult to find anybody, thats a why the SC was a commentatory too. We have one guy for SC but he has broken PC.
Its our first cup, so give us little bit of time and we will make it better, each race are new experiences and it helps us to make it better for next time.
About starting grid: in Kovo cup are about 40 drivers logged, but they made teams about 3-4 drivers, so thats why there are only 18 teams, yesterday were another races too (kyoto, one czech cup,etc.), i hope we will starting with more drivers next month

But i think, the race werent the worse, there were great fights and behavior too (except the chating), we gave them a warning.

About stream, you have to understand, there are mostly czech viwers and a commentatory dont speak english as great as czech :), thats like me when i go Apex cup, the stream is in English, and i dont understand too :)

So thanks for your observations, i hope we will see ya in next race and some mistakes will be repaired, we are everybody go to job, and time for this is little, but trust me we are doing everything to make it better ;), but the race is the best thing which show us, where are the shortcomings

So have a nice day and see ya on the track ;)

[Sjoenne]

About starting grid: in Kovo cup are about 40 drivers logged, but they made teams about 3-4 drivers, so thats why there are only 18 teams, yesterday were another races too (kyoto, one czech cup,etc.), i hope we will starting with more drivers next month

Maybe you could change from AS5R to AS3R in the next event? Even with a full lineup, AS5 will leave a lot of room between the cars.

Just a suggestion:)

[wildstyle]

When will the final results for round1 be available?

[rododendron]

When will the final results for round1 be available?

Hello, we are sorry for delay the results, but commissioners are making a decision about difficult protests. I was informed, today or tommorow it will be posted, we have only unofficial results, but we will post it when it will be official. Thanks

Unofficial:

1. Top Gear - 136 Laps
2. Plzeň - 136 Laps
3. APR - 136 Laps
4. DABAR Racing - 136 Laps
5. HH Racing - 136 Laps
6. Ag 96 + 18 + 20 = 134 Laps
7. Recoil - 83 + 51 = 134 laps
8. M3R - 99 + 35 = 134 Laps
9. DD - 33 + 65 + 38 = 134 Lap -2 Laps (garage)
10. KxR - 132 Laps
11. Parfox - 119 + 10 = 129 Laps

[rododendron]

Final results: after protests

http://www.kxr.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=159

[Timo1992]

4th :) !!!!!!!

[Sjoenne]

First of all.... we are DBR (DABAR RACING) not BDR...

Why are we pushed down to 6th place?

[wildstyle]

Sorry - but it makes absolutely no sense to publish the finals results without informing us about the penalties.

I honestly have no clue how we could be placed as 6th. Make a list of the penalties that was handed out - otherwise the final result is useless.

[rododendron]

Thats not my work, i will ask for it, and post a penalties too, and repair your team.

[rododendron]

007 -J. Stach : -10 points (2× overtake under yellow flag) 47 lap, 125 lap
016 - R.Muller : -5 points (crashed 011-J.Dohnalik) 112 lap
003- D.Errebo, 007- J.Stach : -5 points (overtake under yellow flag and contact ) 136 lap

[Flame CZE]

You should add the protests and its penalties somewhere to the site, to the results.

[Sjoenne]

003- D.Errebo, 007- J.Stach : -5 points (overtake under yellow flag and contact ) 136 lap

Please take a look again at the replay... 007 J.Stach goes towards the pitlane, but apparently decides not to in the last moment... or it was a weak attempt to heat tyres...

Our car, the 003, gets pushed off track by 007 J.stach later in that lap.. this can't be D.Errebo's fault. That caused us to loose several positions.

[rododendron]

Please take a look again at the replay... 007 J.Stach goes towards the pitlane, but apparently decides not to in the last moment... or it was a weak attempt to heat tyres...

Our car, the 003, gets pushed off track by 007 J.stach later in that lap.. this can't be D.Errebo's fault. That caused us to loose several positions.


Ok man, i didnt saw it, that was a job of commissioners, i will watch it and make a decission

[rododendron]

Please take a look again at the replay... 007 J.Stach goes towards the pitlane, but apparently decides not to in the last moment... or it was a weak attempt to heat tyres...

Our car, the 003, gets pushed off track by 007 J.stach later in that lap.. this can't be D.Errebo's fault. That caused us to loose several positions.

You didnt lose the point because of the crash, but the YF overtake Stach

I think the decision of commissioners is ok.

[wildstyle]

You didnt lose the point because of the crash, but the YF overtake Stach

I think the decision of commissioners is ok.

I think you missed the point of Sjoenne's post. But nevermind - I just hope you'll fix the SC and yellowflag rules before round 2.

[rododendron]

I think you missed the point of Sjoenne's post. But nevermind - I just hope you'll fix the SC and yellowflag rules before round 2.


You lost the points because you didnt take a position back to Stach. I know he did a mistake with pit or tyre heating, but you had got a lot of time. 5 points isnt too much, you can correct it in next race ;).

and sure, SC rules are remaked, it will be forbiden to overtake when leader is behind SC,

and another thing, organizators are working on tracker every day, so i hope they will make it a it will work right

See ya man

[Sjoenne]

How about that other incident with R. Müller under SC:

Time of incident: 5:35:39, lap 128-129
Cars involved: 016, 009, 007
Drivers involved: R. Müller, Tomas Cz, J. Stach
Description: The safety-car is deployed; R. Müller (016) crashes while heating tires causing him to lose the leading position of the race. Four other cars passes Müller, two of them are lapped (009, 007). Müller then asks in the chat if he is allowed to overtake the two lapped cars
and he is told no. On lap 128 Müller decides to overtake Tomas Cz anyway and even knocks him off the road. The other cars behind 009 and 007, which also is a lap ahead of them, does not overtake; only R. Müller overtakes.

[Sjoenne]

GYgy GOiiiNk

[rododendron]

There wasnt any protest directed to Radek for this, comissioners solved it, but i think Radek was warned and he got penalization for incident with Jarda Dohnalik, but now are penalizations closed.
Sorry for late reply, i was away because the job.

[wildstyle]

Will there be any layout for AS5R?

[masterful]

http://forum.czechlfs.net/showthread.php?p=128762#post128762

[wildstyle]

As it seems nobody has a clue how many of the signed up teams will be attending the races, I would suggest that you create a thread on the international forum, where people can sign up for each individual round. Just like they do in GTAL and all the other bigger leagues.

We are almost halfway through the league, and we haven't seen around 30% of the teams that has signed up. Most of them haven't even posted on the forum or ever been on your server. Maybe it's time to clean up the field a bit and find out who's really interested in participating and who's not.

And if Last Lap Motorsports are planning to participate, I think you should divide their drivers into atleast two cars. It makes no sense to have eight drivers in one car.

If it turns out that there's only maybe 12-14 cars left, you could consider using shorter tracks for the upcoming rounds. AS5R and KY3 aren't much fun with such few cars. And KY1 never made sense in the first place. :shrug:

[Dinodoom]

last round was bad, people don't no how to race on oval.


management was more or less ok in the first two round,
after that it was under any criticism.

And use more english, last round i saw only three english word: yes/no/ok
And keep important information also english, and let as know that information early.

Hope Kovodoment will be much better on next time, if it coming.
Good Luck


J.Dohnalik , ok, my mistake.

[Fast Jarda]

And J.Dohnalik was using wrong restriction, it's not possible
to drive xrr so fast with 24% restriction



Nice joke:thumb: