Round 3: Race Discussion

[CSF]

Event: 6 Hours of Fern Bay Black.
Circuit Code: FE4

Qualifying Session 1: 12 December 2010 19:00 UTC Group 1 - 19:40 UTC Group 2
Qualifying Session 2: 17 December 2010 19:00 UTC Group 1 - 19:40 UTC Group 2
Race Session: 18 December 2010 15:00 UTC

Official Circuit Diagram attached.

[bavorak]

I have just noticed that yellow lines on pit exit...will there be a problem when a driver crosses the right hand line? because it is quite strangly curved which makes it a chicane

[CSF]

Yep it's fine.

[JackCY]

Can somebody teach me how to do a proper start? I know it's faster to floor the gas and use brake to slow down to the correct speed, but using clutch shouldn't be so much slower? I just can't start properly, there is this mix of green and yellow flag and it takes time to see the green flag, then I just release clutch but others are already flying away :shrug:
I never know when to start, the green flag is terribly visible at least for me. Standing starts are much easier, even F1 has them :D
No boring double file. And it's really nice to see the car in front braking when it's not actually slowing down... just killing the engine power.

[xtraction]

hai im back :Kick_Can_

[Hahmo]

goo aweei! :)

Anyway, interesting track. Should be quite a few SC's :P

[zippytheone]

I think bets on number of flips in the race should be taken. Could be quite the money spinner :scratchch

Looking forward to the race though. Pace is looking promising :D

[xtraction]

i say 4 flips :) + 6 DNF's overall

[Hahmo]

Meh, 2-3 retirements and 1 red flag, 5 SC's :P

[nathan246]

I can maybe expect a red flag like last year :D

[boothy]

You're driving?

[reason0809]

just one thing to say about FE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ppuW9iIVpI&feature=related

[Bmxtwins]

You're driving?

no mustang is :razz:

[dekojester]

Official Circuit Diagram added to OP.

It's even got the right name / distance on the png, imagine that. :D

[Tomhah]

Great, Deko :)

[dekojester]

Two things:

It has been brought to my attention that there was an incursion into the server by an unauthorized person.

Remember: DO NOT share the password with anyone outside of your race team, or anyone who we allow to have the password. Anyone found to have shared the password to an unauthorized party may face series suspension.

A new password will be issued prior to Round 3, Qualifying Session 1.




Also, regarding the number of admins in the server:

It is NOT up to the drivers to complain about who should and shouldn't be in the server. We will keep track of everyone to make sure everyone in server has a purpose.

From what I saw, everyone who was in server served a purpose for the time they were there, be it for commentary, Safety Car, Rescue Car, or marshal.

We make the effort to clear as many people as we can out of the server during the pitstop times. But even when we get down to the bare minimum, it may still not be enough, and that's the time when you need to get in and out of the server as quickly as possible, and not loiter more than needed.

[reason0809]

lol, i need to stick some post-it around my screen
"DON'T HIT THE F***ING CURBS!"

[Drifters Only]

lol, i need to stick some post-it around my screen
"DON'T HIT THE F***ING CURBS!"

No problemo with the FZR tho:D.

[MonkeyHead]

Race Session: 18 December 2010 18:00

Schedule has 15:00 race start time :really:

[MoMo92i]

well there was not so many flip in season 2009...it went quite fine

[CSF]

Schedule has 15:00 race start time :really:

Oh noez an error.

[dekojester]

Oh noez an error.

At least I'm not the only one to make them then. :D

[hyntty]

You know how we deal with failure

http://seo2.0.onreact.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/blofeld-cat.jpg

[Tomhah]

Dunno where to say this, so I say it here.

Two GTAL guys (Isaac and Joni) has taken the provisional pole in MoE!:thumb:
:D:D:D

[reason0809]

any reasons why Conquest Racing withdrawn from the event ?

[Timo1992]

any reasons why Conquest Racing withdrawn from the event ?

Maybe because their reputation got even more worse in the last MoE race :scratchch

[CSF]

What happened at IGTC AS4? :scratchch Just because a couple of drivers decided to start wrecking (one who was a team-mate of yours and had an 'interesting' reputation in GTAL last season...) doesn't mean the team's reputation should go downhill.


I suspect they have withdrawn to concentrate on MoE. Either way it gives a new team a go, and we thank Conquest for informing us nice and early. :) :thumb:

[dekojester]

any reasons why Conquest Racing withdrawn from the event ?

There was no reason provided, I did not inquire as to it when I confirmed the retirement.

If they wish to confirm their reason here or to anyone it's fine, but I won't inquire officially.

[boothy]

He was fine, just didn't understand some of the rules that is all - which is common for somebody who has done no league racing before jumping straight into GTAL which is pretty dense rules wise. I suspect that they have withdrawn to concentrate on MoE as the drivers they were running in GTAL were IGTC/MoE standard anyway. What happened IGTC AS4? The conquest team kept driving over agressivly and running people off the road all race long, backmarkers or for position. I was only saying that their reputation for being a great team of lads is decreasing at the moment, thats all - not accusing or anything.

They had one protest against their 2 teams, so either other teams like being hit off or it's you that's talking crap. Regards that driver in GTAL, passing under SC and doing a j-turn into other cars should be common sense that it isn't allowed... :shrug:

[Timo1992]

That's the GTAL Round 3 Race Discussion topic. No offense, but you guys should really sort this out via PM, MSN, ICQ etc. IMO.:shrug:

[Makao]

Maybe because their reputation got even more worse in the last MoE race Maybe because you are not a member of Conquest Racing you should not release funny rumours.

That's the GTAL Round 3 Race Discussion topic. No offense, but you guys should really sort this out via PM, MSN, ICQ etc. IMO.Next time think about it if you are going to be the offtopic starter.

We decided to withdraw because of lack of drivers. That's all.

[Timo1992]

Next time think about it if you are going to be the offtopic starter.


any reasons why Conquest Racing withdrawn from the event ?


:thumb:

[PMD9409]

:thumb:

Maybe because their reputation got even more worse in the last MoE race :scratchch

Get a clue.

Now keep this thread on topic.

[Drifters Only]

Lol:razz:! Hope everyone is training well for this one, quite tricky when you don't know what you're doing this one...

Anyways, I'd better get started right away:thumb::nod:!

Hoping on not too much SC's or even a red flag, that would be pure horror... Will only make the crashing worse after it IMO:shrug:.

We'll see how the race develops and I think it will be quite obvious from the start who trained allot and who didn't:smileypul.

[zippytheone]

Well, I am training a lot and still not getting much luck :(

Also, turns out I am working until 17.30 UTC on that Saturday so looks like I am doing last 2 hours by myself :|

[reason0809]

i see many tyres and cars flying in turn 8
almost had this experience when someone is driving in front of you, you cant avoid the tyres flying around then.. so for your safety better stay half a track lenght behind the car in front of you in Qualy.. and in race, well,... hope the best, expect the worst

[dekojester]

Hoping on not too much SC's or even a red flag, that would be pure horror... Will only make the crashing worse after it IMO:shrug:.

There were several SC periods last year I remember.

There were also two red flags, one on the initial start attempt, causing that start to be null and void, then one with about 90 minutes left in the race because some impatient people about 5 cars back decided to go when the green flag went up, even though it was still under leader control until s/f, at the time the green flag was a signal that the track was clear (then we changed it to try and stupid-proof the rule :razz:)

But remember: A red flag in first 15 minutes = total restart; a red flag after that = we don't /end or anything unless it's a server death, and the time lost is time lost, no matter if it's 5 minutes or 55 minutes.

[Drifters Only]

Ok thanks for clearing up some things:nod:!

I'm studying the rules very well right now, just so nothing will be done wrong on my & my team's part.

Lets hope this race will turn out better as we expect before it and with hopefully not too many problems:thumb:!

[dekojester]

New password was sent out late Saturday evening Europe Time to team managers that I have on file, via email. If you need it, and haven't received it from your team manager, PM me or another of the main admins (CSF, boothy, etc) who should be able to find it :thumbsup:

[reason0809]

deko, you've got a message ;)

[Koa128]

I don't have the password guys :(

[dekojester]

I don't have the password guys :(


Sent

[Koa128]

All good, didn't have time to say tks before qualifying :D

[PMD9409]

Our monthly (roundly) test race is in order.

Server: NDR.GTAL 2011
Date: December 16, 2010
Time: 19:00 UTC

19:00 UTC - 10 minute Qualifying
19:15 UTC - 1 hour race.

Track is a bit harsh this time around guys, lets try to keep any aggressive moves to a minimum and make sure everyone gets through the start procedure, as well as having a good stint. :)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Our monthly (roundly) test race is in order.

Server: NDR.GTAL 2011
Date: December 16, 2010
Time: 19:00 UTC

19:00 UTC - 10 minute Qualifying
19:15 UTC - 1 hour race.

Track is a bit harsh this time around guys, lets try to keep any aggressive moves to a minimum and make sure everyone gets through the start procedure, as well as having a good stint. :)

:thumb:

[CSF]

teamName: Gentles on circuit
number: 22
car: FXR
drivers:
Iginla, Jesse Telkkälä, Finland
zippytheone, Tom Parker, United Kingdom
Swiss-Spirit, David Jundt, Switzerland
Jetec, Roope Leppänen, Finland
boothy, Michael Booth, Scotland

22 Gentles on circuit;Jesse Telkkälä, Tom Parker, David Jundt, Roope Leppänen, Michael Booth


Grats on the new team Boothy. :thumb:

[Iginla]

Yeah, he is helping Tom and David for this round.

[reason0809]

first i'd like to say thank you again to Joe Holmes for helping out a lot with the setups. i'm totally noob into this. so thank you again for sharing your endurance/hotlap setups with us. in my eyes it is not usual to share setups with other teams in big events, where everybody wants to be the best, but i guess in an amateur league its more usual to help out other racers, which i find very awesome, so i raise all my thumbs up to you and the other experienced drivers for helping out that much, just after having 2 races at all

second thing is, i want to change the arb during the race, but the problem is that i'm a mouse driver and its quite difficult to change the arb during a race when you press the throttle button on your keyboard, shift and steer with the mouse. and besides this there is not much time to relax on FE4 and you must stay focused for the next corner, so its quite difficult to press several button at once to change the arb. so if anybody can tell me how to write a script that i easily can press the Numerus Plus / Minus button to quickly change the rear/front arb during the race, it would be really helpfull

thank you guys :thumb:

[bavorak]

reason0809:
I also have to say...Joe is really helping our team a lot...he never refuses to share setup...he even sends me one from his own iniciative...tells me where I make mistakes... I am glad lfs has drivers like him
Thanks for that Joe ;)

[PMD9409]

25 minutes through the test race, all I can say is, FE4 destroys tires and cars. :razz:

[Hahmo]

25 minutes through the test race, all I can say is, FE4 destroys tires and cars. :razz:

True dat :P Especially when you try to watch for others, who eventually just start wrecking you / do unbeliavable stupid moves. Well, what to do with burned tires..

[kart-36]

Its no problem guys! :) :thumb:

[reason0809]

nice testrace, i guess about 30 ppl started, me on P15 or somewhere in the middle, turn 1 -> almost everybody spun except me, so i was driving on p5 a long time, until my tyres gone and laprevotte closed the gap in the last lap and i made stupid mistake in the green chicane, p6 in the end, will be great if this was the ofc. result for the mainrace :D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Thanks a lot to Joe on our behalf too:thumbsup:

[kart-36]

;1529256']Thanks a lot to Joe on our behalf too:thumbsup:

No problem :)

[Framaris]

again..in the right place this time...

Little question guys, I noticed the pit entry line to be very tide, specially when you arrive with finished tires, that means we have to slow down in last corner which could be dangerous if a car if following close behind...so do we have to respect it during the race?

[boothy]

No, you don't. Of course if you put your right indictator that could help, and if the driver behind sees another driver connecting, that will help those behind.

Also, which side of the grid do you wish to start on? :)

[Framaris]

In theory the left side is faster, but since the right side offers more options if something goes wrong (we are amateurs after all :schwitz:), we'll start on the right side! :)

[Deutschland2007]

Epic quali skills https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3560943/screenshots/GTALS3-R4_Q2_vs.jpg

[Framaris]

Epic quali skills https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3560943/screenshots/GTALS3-R4_Q2_vs.jpg

Ouch, maybe you should have kept this one for your self lol :D

I was just checking the tracker (http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/) and I noticed that Adenoid (22:73) was in front of SR (22:68), or there is an error here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjkngK5SIpGKdG5mWXY0ZE1GbVNDT2tJbFIyY2xrU lE&hl=en_GB#gid=12)?

[dekojester]

Ouch, maybe you should have kept this one for your self lol :D

I was just checking the tracker (http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/) and I noticed that Adenoid (22:73) was in front of SR (22:68), or there is an error here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjkngK5SIpGKdG5mWXY0ZE1GbVNDT2tJbFIyY2xrU lE&hl=en_GB#gid=12)?

The tracker hasn't yet been updated with official grid positions, I'm doing that just now before I take a sleep ( aka nap :P) before the race.

[Framaris]

OK, sleep well mate, you will need all your concentration for this one!:D

[HONDALIIGA]

at tracker adenoids car is wrong its xrr should it be fz2?

[Swiss-Spirit]

Yeah, Simon said:

#00 Adenoids will use FZR for this race, but otherwise, it's all good. :thumbsup:

[CSF]

Watch out 00 is coming through from 18th and on a a bit of a charge. :thumb:

[reason0809]

note to myself

NEVER change the priority to HIGH in the taskmanager while the game is openend
i couldnt steer anymore, the wheel was not reacting a bit, i screwed it all up :(

[Bmxtwins]

always gotta have frame rate problems when we're doing good. FML

[nathan246]

LLM was doing good until we flipped -.-

[GreyBull [CHA]]

We begin to feel like Conquest(without matching their pace of course).

Time out from 4th+unability to rejoin the server for a few laps in LFSES Round 1. Then several times-out after being 3rd in LFSES Round 2. Then the second car times-out, still in LFSES round 2. Then, today in GTAL Round 3, time-out+connection reset, while being 5th.

But WHY ON EARTH did it have to happen in round 3, when everything worked fine in round 1 and 2, which were races where we were absolutely nowhere(17th and 18th)?

:shrug:

[Bmxtwins]

LLM was doing good until we flipped -.-
sorry :shrug:

[Grigorov]

Safety Car Amateur League .... SCAL looks better than GTAL :thumb:

7 Times for 2 hours :X

23 min without safety car ...to this moment

[dekojester]

Safety Car Amateur League .... SCAL looks better than GTAL :thumb:

7 Times for 2 hours :X

Nature of the track condusive to Safety Car interventions. It happens.

[Tomhah]

Since when is uing an axis-handbrake (same as braking to get up the pressure) not allowed? I can understand the last one, when he pressed the wrong button and used a BUTTON handbrake, which made him slow down a little, but the rest? c'mon....

[jensbrix]

I hate this. Had such a good race with a podium in sight several times, and then flip. It was my own fault + some lag, but god it's dissapointing :( So sorry it had to end like this. And i know TEM did what they could to avoid me.

[dekojester]

Since when is uing an axis-handbrake (same as braking to get up the pressure) not allowed? I can understand the last one, when he pressed the wrong button and used a BUTTON handbrake, which made him slow down a little, but the rest? c'mon....

The penalty was NOT for using an axis handbrake. The penalty was for excessive slowing due to use of the said control. Other drivers have held throttle + brake and not slowed more than a couple kph, which we'll give.

[Robendo]

I double-checked the rules, nowhere does it say that using a handbrake is not allowed.
Im using a joystick next to me as the handbrake, and pulling it up about 30% and having full throttle gives the exact same effect as using the footbrake, except im not braking the front wheels and dont have the brakelights on.
I can understand that you didn't like the sudden slowdown Terzic did, but not allowing something that isn't allowed in the rules? Cmon.

Edit: Misunderstood, deko posted while I wrote this

[Tomhah]

We didnt slow more than a couple of km/h when using axis handbrake. Then Alen pressed the wrong button and pressed handbrake for like 0.5 sec. That is the only thing that might be discuss-able, the rest has been just like everyone else. So saying we did 3 times in a row, is not true.

[kart-36]

We didnt slow more than a couple of km/h when using axis handbrake. Then Alen pressed the wrong button and pressed handbrake for like 0.5 sec. That is the only thing that might be discuss-able, the rest has been just like everyone else. So saying we did 3 times in a row, is not true.

Not to be a bitch but he braked enough so i hit him, and had to slam on brakes :/

[Tomhah]

Not to be a bitch but he braked enough so i hit him, and had to slam on brakes :/

yeah, as said. The last thing can be discussed. But he then didnt do it on purpose, so THATS understandable. What I dont understand is the people in IRC saying we did it 3 times a row. But on the last one, yes, that wasnt very nice, and we didnt mean to. So sorry about that Joe.

[kart-36]

yeah, as said. The last thing can be discussed. But he then didnt do it on purpose, so THATS understandable. What I dont understand is the people in IRC saying we did it 3 times a row. But on the last one, yes, that wasnt very nice, and we didnt mean to. So sorry about that Joe.

Yes no problem. For sure the first restart that i was behind him for he didnt brake :/

[Tomhah]

Yes no problem. For sure the first restart that i was behind him for he didnt brake :/

exactly :) It only happend this once. And I understand the penalty if thats the case, because of that incident, but not if it includes the other restarts, as they have been perfect:shrug:

[Grigorov]

When left time is 0.55.00 have to deploy safety car. On my calculations ,avarage time between SC is around 23 minutes :)

[CSF]

Yeah 28.2 I think. Forgot to go on about that again. :D

[Grigorov]

Yeah 28.2 I think. Forgot to go on about that again. :D


U beat me ..... :shrug: ur calculator maybe have more functions :D

SC car have to take the 1st place ... have more laps than others.

[CSF]

Haha well now its probably... less. :Looking_a

[Grigorov]

no no no no !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D please m8s delete all of my posts in New dimension racing !!I don't want any trace of my team in this parody :smileypul

I lovy lovy loveee this league .... this is better than "3 and half mens" .. LOL

[Kova.]

It's safety car party ? :schwitz:

[Grigorov]

It's safety car party ? :schwitz:

Yee 15 sc cars , they are in the history in LFS :D

SC car for PRESIDENT:thumb:

I bet, no more than 5 minutes..........

Sometimes it is better to remain silent, thank you for the show and have a nice night.

[nathan246]

What a finish :schwitz:

[Grigorov]

Who was the SC driver (username) just to check him Today's stats: Travelled distance :nod:

[PMD9409]

Cargame :(

[Kova.]

Who was the SC driver (username) just to check him Today's stats: Travelled distance :nod:

We will see that on spdo.com maybe :P
(if they put replay here)

[luki97]

that was best gtal race ever!:D

[PMD9409]

SC today (excluding one SC period because another driver drove):

Travelled distance: 109 Ml
Fuel burnt: 53 Ltr
Laps: 25

[reason0809]

you've just seen the most weird race in lfs history

[Grigorov]

that was best gtal race ever!:D

Did you drove it !? I can't remember .. :Looking_a

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Yee 15 sc cars , they are in the history in LFS :D

Doesn't beat the mighty 2010 Kyoto 250... 17 SCs IIRC:scratchch

Did you drove it !? I can't remember ..

Nah, they pulled out in last minute.

[PMD9409]

;1530264']Doesn't beat the mighty 2010 Kyoto 250... 17 SCs IIRC:scratchch



Nah, they pulled out in last minute.

I thought it was 28? :shrug:

[Tur8o]

Gotta say it was amazing tbh.

[Grigorov]

;1530264']Doesn't beat the mighty 2010 Kyoto 250... 17 SCs IIRC:scratchch



Nah, they pulled out in last minute.

And can u tell me what was the avarage lap time at Kyoto 250 ? Just to calculate it. I mean SC/1h. :D

[Seb66]

cargame would of got a top3 :( :( unlucky

[luki97]

Did you drove it !? I can't remember .. :Looking_a

No but i watched the stream.

[jensbrix]

Where can you watch the broadcast now :) ?

[Grigorov]

One interesting post .... SC car do you change your tyres and do you refuel? :D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I thought it was 28? :shrug:

Maybe, my memory might just be out of order on that one:shrug:

And can u tell me what was the avarage lap time at Kyoto 250 ? Just to calculate it. I mean SC/1h. :D

3 hours 10 minutes for 140 laps IIRC... Do the maths by yourself:)

[PMD9409]

2010 Kyoto 250:
Average Lap: 1:20.21
Average Speed: 83.13 mph / 133.78 Kph

18 SC's, good memory Yann. :thumb:

[JayEyeBee]

Instantban to the guys "accidently" spinning going into the pit, wrecking half of the field, ruining the race for car #27 40 mins before finish?


god..... I have no words.

EDIT:

Session of Incident: Race
Lap of incident: 122
Timecode of incident (may either be qualifying time remaining, race time, or mpr time): 5.18.00 race
Your car Number: 27
Other Car(s) Involved: 12, 05, 03
Brief description of incident: For no reason, 12 slides towards the pits, overcorrects and get right into the racing line, and our car having no chance to avoid it, making us flip.
05 and 03 were also victims of the accident.


EDIT: Car 12 also drives BACKWARDS into the pits, to take his DT.

I regret my incident caused your team the race. I'll take what ever punishment gets handed out, I'm not sure an instaban is warranted, though.

For what it's worth, our team did state in IRC that I'd be coming into the pits. As for driving backwards, that's not quite true, I drove the wrong direction because that's the way I was facing. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

I acknowledge that I messed up and that it cost you badly. I'm sorry.

[zippytheone]

Sweet...

Top 5 without penalties ;(

[Grigorov]

;1530277']Maybe, my memory might just be out of order on that one:shrug:



3 hours 10 minutes for 140 laps IIRC... Do the maths by yourself:)

Kyoto 250 18 SC/185 laps

GTAL the epic R3 15 SC / 139 laps

GTAL beat Kyoto 250 by SCs

[Flame CZE]

Good racing apart from some of the safety car periods and yellow flags, where some people don't understand that they have to slow down or not overtake others.

Nice racing though, we are happy with our position.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Kyoto 250 18 SC/185 laps

GTAL the epic R3 15 SC / 139 laps

GTAL beat Kyoto 250 by SCs

This makes no sence IMO. A lap on XRT @ ky1 is roughly 38 seconds IIRC. GT2 @ FE4 is 2 minutes 23 seconds. Also, the Kyoto 250 is done in around 2h20/2h30 most of the time, while this was a 6 hours race. You can't compare those two events.

[Grigorov]

Good racing apart from some of the safety car periods and yellow flags, where some people don't understand that they have to slow down or not overtake others.

Nice racing though, we are happy with our position.

hahaha what a position dude , what a position !? one of the top teams and driver did not finish or was on the last positions by reason of teams like ......
- I don't have enough space to list them...

[PMD9409]

;1530290']This makes no sence IMO. A lap on XRT @ ky1 is roughly 38 seconds IIRC. GT2 @ FE4 is 2 minutes 23 seconds. Also, the Kyoto 250 is done in around 2h20/2h30 most of the time, while this was a 6 hours race. You can't compare those two events.

48 seconds. :shy:

[CSF]

Probably the funniest race I've ever seen. I missed having Wilko about though. :(

[GreyBull [CHA]]

48 seconds. :shy:

I belive I mixed this with the I-SCAR times, shame on me:schwitz:

[Swiss-Spirit]

Wow. Didn't expect us that high:Looking_a

I tried to prevent Joe from winning, but didn't workxD

[Flame CZE]

hahaha what a position dude , what a position !? one of the top teams and driver did not finish or was on the last positions by reason of teams like ......
- I don't have enough space to list them...
Sorry but I don't know what are you trying to tell me :shrug:

[Grigorov]

Sorry but I don't know what are you trying to tell me :shrug:

Use brain son , use brain.

[Kid222]

Use brain son , use brain.
Use at least translator pls, brain isn't enough for your english.:shrug:

This should've been just sprint for 1 lap, rest was just buildup for that.:D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

This should've been just sprint for 1 lap, rest was just buildup for that.:D

With the 2010 ruleset and the wave around rule, it actually would have been(look at the FE3 round).

Now you have to keep it in the lead lap for the whole race to pretend for the victory:scratchch

[CSF]

Or do a Boothy. On the edge of glory.... hit tyre........:thumb::nod:

[boothy]

:o Epic race, to be honest the MoE race felt a lot shorter. Sorry to Gentles on Circuit for the failure, suppose we didn't lose that much but we'd have been fighting for the win had I not broken my damper. Some dodgy blue flag behaviour I have to say from some cars, and some dodgy driving from others.

But, Fern Bay is what it is, South City without the walls, lulling you into a false sense of security and punishing the driver who make mistakes. Makes a change from the almost Tilkedrome-like tracks we have elsewhere :thumb:

Good Teams and the Good Drivers aren't finished the race , because the shity teams wreck them all the time !

Hardly, a lot of the "good" teams crashed on their own. The best teams stayed on the track, and didn't make fatal mistakes.

[HONDALIIGA]

stream download link?

[zippytheone]

Or do a Boothy. On the edge of glory.... hit tyre........:thumb::nod:
Win. Swear on stream as it happens as well. Woops :schwitz:

[kart-36]

Very interesting race :D alot of bad luck for us but then the safety cars helped us out, although that last one I didn't enjoy :P

Good racing guys let's make the next round just as interesting :D (will be hard) :D

[Grigorov]

Use at least translator pls, brain isn't enough for your english.:shrug:

This should've been just sprint for 1 lap, rest was just buildup for that.:D

OOOOk all of you will understend me now without the f*** translator!

Good Teams and the Good Drivers aren't finished the race , because the shity teams wreck them all the time !

Do you understand me now!?

[CSF]

Win. Swear on stream as it happens as well. Woops :schwitz:

:cookiemon

[Kid222]

OOOOk all of you will understend me now without the f*** translator!

Good Teams and the Good Drivers aren't finished the race , because the shity teams wreck them all the time !

Do you understand me now!?
I do and at the same time i don't. About what good teams are you talking about? About those, who flipped it in chicane by themselves?:shy:

[Bean0]

One interesting post .... SC car do you change your tyres and do you refuel? :D

I took a full tank of fuel from the start, used just over half of it.
Tyres go cold when stationary for a long time, but they don't need changing.

:)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

OOOOk all of you will understend me now without the f*** translator!

Good Teams and the Good Drivers aren't finished the race , because the shity teams wreck them all the time !

Do you understand me now!?

:pillepall

[Grigorov]

I do and at the same time i don't. About what good teams are you talking about? About those, who flipped it in chicane by themselves?:shy:

Or those who was unable to drive normal from teams like your!? BOW

[Kid222]

Or those who was unable to drive normal from teams like your!? BOW
Get some sleep, "son". :nol2:

[JackCY]

Or those who was unable to drive normal from teams like your!? BOW
hey, I'm not going to read this **** talk, go to IRC this is not a chat but forum

[J@tko]

Guys this is a discussion thread, not a :bananadea thread. Protest and/or take it to PMs.

[Grigorov]

hey, I'm not going to read this **** talk, go to IRC this is not a chat but forum

Тhat there is Czech solidarity? :Looking_a

[CSF]

How can you protest something that never happened Jack? :Looking_a:tilt::really:

[J@tko]

How can you protest something that never happened Jack? :Looking_a:tilt::really:
I've seen that happen before :D

[Mroziu]

I would like to apologize for that bump on #03 on pit-in lap. I think that supposed to be joke, but looked really bad. Sorry again.

As for the race, we are quite disappointed after having damper damage 10 min before race end. Yes we had enough fuel and setup capable of driving more then 1h20min on one set of tires. So we wasn't going to pit one more time, unless ... u broke the damper :(

And as for the race in general it was most entertaining GTAL round ever. Hope next round will be the same (ok, let's cut down SC periods a little :nut: )

[bavorak]

mpower team #25

start from 19th...6th in finish

We had some problems with Radek's connection so we had to switch drivers after half an hour...but then everything went quite well...every driver was doing great and after my 200minutes stay on track (my longest) we were on first position...I thought I was dreaming...then for last stint JackCY took over car...then there were like ten SCs and we had an accident (not our fault at all) fell on 11th position but JackCY did some hell of a good job getting us on final 6th which is a great success for us despite a small disappointment because it could have been better but we are extremely happy
a big THANKS to Lala, JackCY and also Radek :) (also boothy to let Radek drive for us)

btw: anyone said that XRR has no chance here? there are 4 XRRs in first 7 positions :)

and that 1s penalty on tracker is because we ended on 6th for real but tracker made a mistake?

[CSF]

Yeah that is exactly what it is for. :)

[Flame CZE]

Some nice screens...

[-Joske-]

cargame would of got a top3 :( :( unlucky
4th position on the trackr...

I can't believe it that Krüger crash 3 min for the end... but shit happens... it's only so sad because we driving on 4th place.. :(

[Grigorov]

4th position on the trackr...

I can beleve it that Krüger crash 3 min for the end... but shit happens... it's only so sad because we driving on 4th place.. :(

Don't blame him :(. He was such a nice clean driver. :thumbsup:

[zippytheone]

I would just like to thank Boothy for helping us and driving for us this round. Definitely made a brilliant impact for us and if not for you, wouldve been much worse than 5th. Thanks to all that helped with the setup as well. We really appreciate it :)

Hopefully we can build on this and be even further up the grid in the coming races. :thumb:

[Tomhah]

:(:(:(:(:(

[MoMo92i]

what a race ^^ -1lap down after 1hour, then back in the povisionnal podium after 2h30, then Pierre awesome windows coming back and finally back in the podium before the money time.

So many top team out of the race because of (self) spinning (7Karat, Genuine, Just Driving, DRUNK, Identity(not by their own), CoRe and GraVt) that we make, I think, quite a nice move in championship standings :)

Gratz Joe, TDRT and SR for your coming back, we would have been with you without a small contact ;) anyway that was awesome :)

[suzuki94]

here are some nice pics:smileypul

[IsaacPrice]

That was the most insane stint I've had, and I've had a few insane stints since I started endurance racing :D. I kinda got a bit carried away with the contact you refer to though Momo, slightly missed my braking point and had nowhere to go except into the side of Pierre. I think you were a bit kind with the little contact thing though...:(

Really fun race to be involved in, some really fun moments, thanks all :thumb:

[Swiss-Spirit]

I would just like to thank Boothy for helping us and driving for us this round. Definitely made a brilliant impact for us and if not for you, wouldve been much worse than 5th. Thanks to all that helped with the setup as well. We really appreciate it :)

Hopefully we can build on this and be even further up the grid in the coming races. :thumb:

+Second that. Thank you Boothy, I nearly went like "WTF?" when I saw the updated rooster:razz:

Some nice flying cars there.

But some backmarkers weren't that great. For example the last push that maybe cost us a podium...

We'll put a sticker on the rear:

KEEP - YOUR - DISTANCE! lol

[zippytheone]

As said in stream, the Jabba stays. Good luck charm ftw!

[hyntty]

I nearly went like "WTF?" when I saw the updated rooster:razz:


http://www.bluebison.net/sketchbook/2008/0108/chinese-rooster.png

[CSF]

Lets play a game:


What happens next?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9725643/lfs_00000088.bmp

[Swiss-Spirit]

Lol, an "o" too much, we updated the chicken, kind of:razz:

[MoMo92i]

I kinda got a bit carried away with the contact you refer to though Momo, slightly missed my braking point and had nowhere to go except into the side of Pierre. I think you were a bit kind with the little contact thing though...:(

That's the race, anyway finishing the race is a good result

[J@tko]

Lets play a game:


What happens next?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9725643/lfs_00000088.bmp
Ellis wanders onto the track telling us how awesome his new laptop is and how well his DIY weather station is coming along.

[Iginla]

I like to thank you too you Boothy, you did great job for us. We really appreciate your help for this round and that you have helped us the whole season. :tilt:

5th is very good result and I want to thank all of this race. :thumbsup:

[CSF]

Ellis wanders onto the track telling us how awesome his new laptop is and how well his DIY weather station is coming along.


I wish :schwitz:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3560943/screenshots/CSFsSaturdaydriveatFE4s.jpg

[ZanZi]

Just wanted to pop in and sent my grats to the podium and those who managed to finish this tough race. Very difficult track this fernie and the fact alone that a team finishes sucha hard event is admirable. :) :thumbsup:

[MuderGO[LT]]

In 4th hour after our painful accident I sat behind the wheel. After safety car mIRC was filled with messages like "use your eyes ffs!" or "runas is killing everyone".. It made me a bit angry because first of all you need to find out how everything was and not to shout. I am talking about "29 - Angel Power Racing" team. There were two contacts between you and me, but I am not guilty in none of them.

Use your head..

[jasonmatthews]

Runas, you were a lap down on us and blocked us numerous times. No need whatsoever and nothing gained by your team. We didn't protest you, but please, next time make sure your team manager knows what is going on and tells you to yield when you should.

[JackCY]

Driving:
Calm down when on track, I know it looks like 1 lap sprint race even if it's 6 hour race but... be careful, I don't care if you drive aggressively for the best time (pushing the limit/car) but don't drive aggressively against other cars!
This is not a sprint race on a public demo server as it sometimes looked like that yesterday.

You gotta know when you can or can't overtake, I'm sick of having to move away and let you pass in a no pass possible situations just not to get wrecked by your pedal to the metal I'm not gonna move away an inch behavior, we're going 3 wide in to a high speed chicane and play a Russian roulette, the one with most luck will survive and for the other 2 it's race over.
I would like you to imagine the pain or loss it would have been in real life when you do such a stupid move, 33% overtook but got banned for life from racing coz the other 2 got injured/killed, 33% car wrecked + lot of pain + months in hospital, 34% dead coz you hitted a wall in 160km/h (the car might survive that but your internal organs won't).

SC:
I think using so much SCs was not necessary, as when somebody is on the roof and is not on the track, it's race over for him (spectate) as in real life the track personnel would remove the car and there would be only yellow flag in the area.

SC IMHO should be used only when there is more cars involved, wrecks on track, and the section when there is something on track is too dangerous to use only yellow flag.

Also when somebody damages their car so much that it can't steer and get to pits by itself it's IMHO race over for them, why to call SC and push them to pits? The car has so much damage that it's not drivable in real life (LFS also) and has to retire from race, sorry but that's how it goes.

I think it's fine to give a push to a car when it gets stuck in sand etc. as the car is undamaged and can continue without help around track.

If you need help to get around track, then it's race over for you IMHO. (Well you'll loose so much time that you can't get a good position anyway.)

[MonkeyHead]

SC:
I think using so much SCs was not necessary, as when somebody is on the roof and is not on the track, it's race over for him (spectate) as in real life the track personnel would remove the car and there would be only yellow flag in the area.

SC IMHO should be used only when there is more cars involved, wrecks on track, and the section when there is something on track is too dangerous to use only yellow flag.

Also when somebody damages their car so much that it can't steer and get to pits by itself it's IMHO race over for them, why to call SC and push them to pits? The car has so much damage that it's not drivable in real life (LFS also) and has to retire from race, sorry but that's how it goes.

Yes you are right, too many SCs were used yesterday I think. Because of so many SCs it was impossible to get in same lap with others

[kart-36]

#28's race:

Started 8th and made a great start getting to 3rd into T1 but was spun. After my 3 hours of driving we was back in running for the win. Javi took over and had some bad luck after being wiped out in the tight hairpin on sc1 and getting some huge damage. Lucky for us the SC helped alot, and in my final stint i was 5th or so but after alot of SC :D I was back into 3rd or so. Eventually overtaking TDRT and Zion to take the win. Grats to everybody who finished the race as it was very tough. I would like to say to a big thanks to Patrick from F1RST for making an apsolutely awesome set :)

[MuderGO[LT]]

Runas, you were a lap down on us and blocked us numerous times. No need whatsoever and nothing gained by your team. We didn't protest you, but please, next time make sure your team manager knows what is going on and tells you to yield when you should.

You exaggerate it a bit. I blocked you just once because i thought you are behind us, but then i was informed that you are one lap in front and then i let you pass. Yes, im guilty but you say that I blocked you many times. Would be nice to know when it happened. By the way, you also crashed me once.

[bavorak]

Yes you are right, too many SCs were used yesterday I think. Because of so many SCs it was impossible to get in same lap with others
every time I built some gap before racers after me, SC came and it was all wasted...and noone can deny that SC caused half of the crashes...
there are always people who lose because of SC....some gain positions but if you are 2 minutes in front of someone and they shorten the gap to practicaly zero it is also not very fair...yes it is according to rules and I am not completely against SC but please dont use it 5 times during one stint...

[boothy]

SC:
I think using so much SCs was not necessary, as when somebody is on the roof and is not on the track, it's race over for him (spectate) as in real life the track personnel would remove the car and there would be only yellow flag in the area.

SC IMHO should be used only when there is more cars involved, wrecks on track, and the section when there is something on track is too dangerous to use only yellow flag.

Also when somebody damages their car so much that it can't steer and get to pits by itself it's IMHO race over for them, why to call SC and push them to pits? The car has so much damage that it's not drivable in real life (LFS also) and has to retire from race, sorry but that's how it goes.

I don't think I've ever seen flips/stuck cars in real life be dealt with just waved yellows - except in cases where the race only has a few laps left, or places which allow live snatches under double waved yellows (Le Mans, Silverstone etc) but with only an RB4 to deal with the cars, we can hardly a) tow them away, and b) position an RB4 at each corner so that we don't have to wait for a gap in traffic to get to the stricken car.

We don't have a system in LFS to show cars in a certain area with a flag so we can't do local yellows ourselves.

Also the funny thing about the 1st SC, was that Drunk only damaged their 2nd damper when they hit a stack of tyres in the corner after the chicane :shrug:

Yes you are right, too many SCs were used yesterday I think. Because of so many SCs it was impossible to get in same lap with others

Surely you want SCs if you are a lap down, so that you can try and overtake the leader and get your lap back? :Looking_a

Started 8th and made a great start getting to 3rd into T1 but was spun.

I looked at that and thought your move around the outside of DJ was "ambitious" :tilt:

every time I built some gap before racers after me, SC came and it was all wasted...and noone can deny that SC caused half of the crashes...
there are always people who lose because of SC....some gain positions but if you are 2 minutes in front of someone and they shorten the gap to practicaly zero it is also not very fair...yes it is according to rules and I am not completely against SC but please dont use it 5 times during one stint...

Shit happens, and if the SC is needed 5 times in a stint, then it'll come out 5 times in a stint...

[JackCY]

...I am not completely against SC but please dont use it 5 times during one stint...
I had 6x SC in the last stint of race, I guess that I've been able to do max 6 proper race laps out of the 20, well proper... it was just fighting for position and moose testing

[bavorak]

Shit happens, and if the SC is needed 5 times in a stint, then it'll come out 5 times in a stint...
but you also have to admit that those crashes after which SC has to come out were caused by previous SCs...drivers in this league arent so skilled to cope with 5 cars around them pushing from every side... of course it is matter of thoughtfulness but sometimes it is just being on a wrong place at wrong time or lack of experience to deal with such difficult situations...especially so many times during short period

[CSF]

There were only 2 SC's after SC's. There was one instance of a car in the way with a "yellow" and two cars smashed into it. SC out was always the right thing to do to recover cars/ensure that morons didn't pile in and make it worse.

[boothy]

For god sake don't post massive pictures in this thread!!!

[JackCY]

For god sake don't post massive pictures in this thread!!!
I made them smaller now, what's wrong with pictures?

[boothy]

That's better, it's just that it takes a long time to scroll and the filesizes are big :razz:

[JackCY]

That's better, it's just that it takes a long time to scroll and the filesizes are big :razz:
Yeah made it smaller now it's only 3MB progressive JPG now, I do understand that loading the pictures might take some time, I'm 100mb/s connected to the server with pictures theoretically so I asked on IRC

[Bmxtwins]

LFS' crash physics are un realistic

[xtraction]

If they where realistic, no one would of finished :Looking_a

[dekojester]

If they where realistic, no one would of finished :Looking_a

If they were realistic, I expect people would have driven more according to what the end result might be if they keep driving like kamikaze pilots.

Things tend to in the end, except for the very stupid, sort themselves out in a decent manner and protect the many.

[suzuki94]

can i somewere find the stream without downloading?:schwitz:

[dekojester]

can i somewere find the stream without downloading?:schwitz:

In a day or so I'll be uploading the bits to my blip.tv player so you can watch them there, I'll post links here then.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Just a small message I'd like to share, after I watched some parts of the replay:

I, on behalf of Tiger Express Motorsports, would like to apologise to all teams and admins for the absolutely disgraceful pieces of driving shown by Tamer Yapar and Vince Lombardi yesterday. We will accept sanctions, if any.

We will also make everything possible to not make this happen again in the future.

[JackCY]

hyntty (PM doesn't work):
Sorry for the stupid comments, I just couldn't help myself after seeing the stint again.
Thx for closing it.
I can't remove the comments to leave just the pics or some of the pics.
You can do so if you like, coz I can't while it's closed.
Or feel free to delete the thread :)

I'm sorry if this upset people or gave you more work that was not intentional.

Jack

[Drifters Only]

Well as Genuine Racing we probably had the jinx in Fern Bay and hopefully won't have it again:razz:. We were all very positive even after the crash, we learned allot strategy wise and I think we made some good calls during the race.

We all were watching the last 3 hours unfold and we were so glad that we weren't in the mess, it would've been hell. And big respect to all the drivers who drove clean and I think they're to count on 1, maybe 2 hands:nod:.

Better luck next race in Aston guys!

[Framaris]

Forgot to present my excuses to car number 11 for a too heavy challenge and contact in first corner, really sorry guys!:really:

Congrats to the podium guys and all finishers!:thumb:

[Lombardi]

Congrats to the survivors and more so to the podium places
*I'm not sharing the same thoughts as Yann btw*

[MonkeyHead]

Surely you want SCs if you are a lap down, so that you can try and overtake the leader and get your lap back? :Looking_a

Only way to pass them was to have a very long stint but we should have taken r3s in front and that would have been very risky in end of stint. If I'm 1 lap behind I'm not allowed to pass cars that have lapped me so only way was to have some luck with pit strategy.

I also want to apogolize for mpwr team #25 because I made you spin in end of race. I maybe surprised a little about your braking style there but yes it was my fault and I didin't mean to ruin your race.

[bavorak]

I also want to apogolize for mpwr team #25 because I made you spin in end of race. I maybe surprised a little about your braking style there but yes it was my fault and I didin't mean to ruin your race.
we werent exactly happy about it but appology accepted...JackCY might have been braking a bit sooner because he is mouse driver..it was unfortunate small hit which caused a big spin...

I also want to appologize to Dom who I hit and spon while SC...I have to improve my concentration while driving behind SC...or at least leave bigger gaps

[suzuki94]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Nice save at the end. Would've been a win if it wasn't achieved on such an important race:scratchch

[jensbrix]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Movie of the year :thumb:

[Flingoko]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Gravt was pretty lucky there - Nice save

[Tur8o]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Amazing save didnt look like you were worried at all :shrug: untill i realised your dampers broke :(

[Seb66]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)


That was awesome!! :D

[suzuki94]

Yea i tought for a second that everything was ok, but the dampers had broken 100% so that next corner (not showing on the video :D) i run wide and hit the tires, offcourse the tires bend my front end down so my front tires were lifted up from the ground a bit. So the car would not steer a shit, was lucky that seb helped me back to the pits. Still we lost 2 laps going down from 3->28. Later we made the gap to 1 lap and position was 13 but then monkey fliped the cars so the race was a big fail for us:D

[kart-36]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Lmao thats just great :D

[seniecka]

I agree with a Core driver. It's definitely movie of the year... No doubt... We have already known which nomination shouldn't be announced at all :)

[Iginla]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)
Epic:D

[Koa128]

We at JD had a bad race, bad start from me, good comeback towards the end of the stint with some hard/rough battles with #05, we were inside the top 10 all race long sometimes even aiming to a podium but well shit happens all the time, nothing to complain about that aspect, instead, I want to point out something that I didn't see at Kyoto or Westhill, there were some hardcore defenses from some cars while being outlapped... we were like *WTF is wrong here! I wonder if there's someone in TS or whatever comm method the team uses informing they're under blue flag or just plain sprint racers defending no matter what...

I'll have to understand that this is a GT Amateur League after all and just don't pay so much attention to that details, just needed to mention it.

Cya all in Aston where we will aim a bit higher again with a full lineup.

[zippytheone]

instead, I want to point out something that I didn't see at Kyoto or Westhill, there were some hardcore defenses from some cars while being outlapped... we were like *WTF is wrong here! I wonder if there's someone in TS or whatever comm method the team uses informing they're under blue flag or just plain sprint racers defending no matter what...

Yes I had some problems with lapping people. Rather aggressive defending when there really wasnt any need for it :(

Some were fine and I thank them for that but especially in the final hour and especially final lap, lapped cars did affect the result quite badly. Hopefully Aston will be much improved :thumb:

As for my race personally, came in for DJ after 3rd hour and had a messy stint having an incident with IRM at one point which was maybe 50-50 as we both seemed to yield. Left me with my floor scraping the ground but it was driveable. Fixed damage and gave over to Boothy for hour 5.

Went for an interview and as I do that, Boothy crashes and I swear and confusion erupts. I come in to do final 1 hour 5 minutes and with the high chance of a SC we were confident of doing the hour.

My 2nd stint was much better. Had a good pass on the outside of Pauri in the sweepers after a SC which I was quite proud of :D Then a SC happened with about 38 minutes to go. We decided to come in as then we had fresh tyres, lower fuel and could afford to absolutely rape the tyres whilst warming them up giving us a better chance off safety cars. Had a spin after that SC which in a strange sort of way warmed my tyres up perfectly and i could push much harder :x

Then the final SC came out and I was 7th on tracker. My main aim was to just consolidate my position and if possible make a couple of places up. Coming through green chicane I was defending from APR I think when TEM made a mess of braking for the corner after and took mpower out and that gave me the chance to slip up the inside of them. Then in the corner after IRM had some trouble and tried to slip up the inside of them. Im not sure what happened then as TEM came across, hit IRM and I hit them and they both flew into the air :\

Then final 2 sectors were defending from an mpower car on a charge and ran wide coming out of 2nd last corner, cut back across to save 5th and luckily the start/finish line came up just in time. So all good and 5th on tracker! Our best result to date and quite an exciting race but not for all the right reasons.

Hopefully we can build on this and improve for Aston and other races to come :D

[JackCY]

Koa128: well this race we had complete team on TS and checking positions blue flags reporting to the driver with who are we competing with ,who's lap behind, who's coming up through the field, etc.

suzuki94 (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=388387): I didn't know anybody did that in race :) I must say I've never seen a more clear one probably, what a show. What time is it in replay?
I also want to apogolize for mpwr team #25 because I made you spin in end of race. I maybe surprised a little about your braking style there but yes it was my fault and I didin't mean to ruin your race.

Yeah I was a very small bit slower than I would be in a fast lap, I just wanted to be safe, which turned upside down. I'm using mouse+keyb so it ain't that easy to slowdown/accelerate. But my brakes are usually weaker than on setups for pedals.

[theodinho29]

We are very lucky sometimes.. Little pictures :)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7435/crashgtal1.png (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/crashgtal1.png/)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6821/crashgtal2.png (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/crashgtal2.png/)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4885/crashgtal3.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/crashgtal3.png/)

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5659/crashgtal4.png (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/crashgtal4.png/)

[Seb66]

So the car would not steer a shit, was lucky that seb helped me back to the pits. Still we lost 2 laps going down from 3->28. Later we made the gap to 1 lap and position was 13 but then monkey fliped the cars so the race was a big fail for us:D

Hopefully I got you back alright, it was a challenge trying to steer you with my rb4:D

[PMD9409]

My fail

gtal round 3 fail.wmv (http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/26542698/file.html)

Rename to: gtal_round_3_awesome.wmv

Thanks. :D

[reason0809]

Session of Incident: Race
Lap of incident: 81
Timecode of incident: 3:29:50
Your car Number: 22
Other Car(s) Involved: 19
Brief description of incident: Car 19 reverses back into the racing line after an incident with car 24, blocking the path for car 22.
i just remember a situation where some people in front of me crashed in turn 15 and i couldnt avoid this situation, so i spun and tried to rejoin the track safely, after several cars hit me, but for some reason the other cars didnt notice a yellow flag and didnt even try to slow down and hit me badly in the left rear

[Hahmo]

Great stuff, like Mike Saidl's sig..

[Drift King CZ]

Great stuff, like my emoness and Mike Saidl's sig..

Stop spamming Mr. Awesome.

[zippytheone]

i just remember a situation where some people in front of me crashed in turn 15 and i couldnt avoid this situation, so i spun and tried to rejoin the track safely, after several cars hit me, but for some reason the other cars didnt notice a yellow flag and didnt even try to slow down and hit me badly in the left rear
Tbf, I had no chance of knowing where the car was. I had just come round the corner after all. My view was clear as well and then a car just comes into my way I have no way of getting out of the way :\

I think I did brake as well. So meh, up to the admins I guess. Dont wanna fall out over it :)

[reason0809]

i dont blaim to anyone, it was just a weird situation with no chance to go anywhere on the track, because there've been like 4-5 cars standing across to the racing line and blocked every single part of the track

let the admins decide, but for me its clear that this was a strange situation with no space to go/leave and avoid even moar crashes :thumb:

[JackCY]

We are very lucky sometimes.. Little pictures :)
Nice, I think it could be an 1 hour movie ;) from the stunts made in Round 3 :D

[suzuki94]

Rename to: gtal_round_3_awesome.wmv

Thanks. :D

ok i renamed it and added inside footage:D + made it not so laggy

http://www.vimeo.com/18027167

and download link http://www.speedyshare.com/files/25818951/GTAL_Round_3_Awesome.wmv

[reason0809]

ok i renamed it and added inside footage:D + made it not so laggy

http://www.vimeo.com/18027167


i wish that would've happened to me :'(

[jensbrix]

ok i renamed it and added inside footage:D + made it not so laggy

http://www.vimeo.com/18027167

and download link http://www.speedyshare.com/files/25818951/GTAL_Round_3_Awesome.wmv

Seriously, I'm not joking, imo this is movie of the year :D It might be the most perfect stunt I've ever seen in a league race :tilt:

[suzuki94]

At the time when it happend i felt like killing myself, now i can just laugh about it :D

[Flame CZE]

May I ask when was it in the race? I want to find it in the replay :)

[suzuki94]

May I ask when was it in the race? I want to find it in the replay :)

For me it was lap 6 and time 14.20->forward, after the flip you can se me running wide in the corner and hit the tire that bends my cars front down abit and makes it unsteerable:D

[theodinho29]

Car 01 - 2-lap penalty for Round 3 and +10 grid places for Round 4 - Unsafe recovery from an incident. Also, P Peron's right to use follow view revoked following this incident.

2-lap penalty for Round 3 and +10 grid places for Round 4, yes i can understand...

But I don't see how my view is involved in this incident ...
I just panicked a little after my back windows ...
I don't understand this decision.

[Hahmo]

Car 01 - 2-lap penalty for Round 3 and +10 grid places for Round 4 - Unsafe recovery from an incident. Also, P Peron's right to use follow view revoked following this incident.

2-lap penalty for Round 3 and +10 grid places for Round 4, yes i can understand...

But I don't see how my view is involved in this incident ...
I just panicked a little after my back windows ...
I don't understand this decision.

I can answer this as an admin right now like I was but had no rights to give opinions on this one, as i'm in E-team, don't take it personally even if i'm your teammate.

Basically you just rejoined the track without looking if anyone was coming and so you caused massive crash in the chicane. This probably could've been avoided if you used a proper view that has mirrors and you can look to the sides.

[Koa128]

Cars 19 and 24, +10 grid places at Round 4 for unsafe rejoin from an incident.

Will look into this incident to see what happened, but the +10 grid places sanction apply for the qualy position in round 4 right?

[CSF]

Yep your final grid position.

[Koa128]

Tks Chris

[prOmo_LTU]

This was a big hit for us,but we'll try to do our best to recover and show as good as posible in round 4.

[reason0809]

New Dimension Racing Events // GTAL 2011 (Season 2) - Round 3

6 Hours of Fern Bay Black (FE4)


You want to smoke some grass ? May you want a watch ? Or some Sunglasses i got in my pockets ? Just kidding, but we're giving you a warm welcome from the stunning seaside of Jamaica, on Fern Bay Black Circuit, where the 3rd Round of the Grand Touring Amateur League is taking its part. With 6.6 km length it is the 2nd longest track in the season and we all looking forward to have a great race here, which will be very hard for all the teams, because of its fast and slow corners, followed by short and long straights, and most important the risky chicanes with very high curbs. All in all not very much time to take a deep breath and prepare for the next corner, or concentrate on, as we'll see in the coming lines.

We've already seen some cars rolling and flipping in the Green Chicane while qualifying. This gives us some look ahead what may can happen in the race too and maybe can cause some safety cars situation. Besides this fact, we have to keep in mind that this is an amateur league, where the chance to have some cars crashing or flipping all over the place is a bit higher. But well, hope for the best, expect the worst.

The sun is shining all over the place here, its very hot outside and we can hear the seagulls singing MINE MINE MINE MINE from the coast, which is only some footsteps ahead. Right in that moment of nearly silence and idyllic moments, the powerfull GTRs starting to goose the engine and going out of the pits to find their spot on the start/finish for the upcoming long race. I'm walking through the grid and was able to speak with some racers, while some others are trying to find some break and a moment of silence, because its going to be a hard race. We also had no chance to talk with someone of Cargame.nl, because the starting driver P. Krüger was already sitting in his car, speaking some last words with the mechanican Jos Meerten and the second driver from estonia, T. Lomp. After the great result from Westhill International Circuit some teams were having their focus on them and the officials and moderators of the event also were having an eye on them too. With not such a good position 17 placement in the qualifying here, they try to do their best for sure to finish their car in a top 15 position again.

It's 15:00 UTC as the safety car with the driver Stuart Baker moves away to start the rolling race, having the polesetter R. Heijerman from Genuine Racing for the very first time in the young season there, who set a superfast 2:21:98 in his FZR, followed by DRUNK Teams M. Wentjärvi, whose teammate A. Falck set a 2:22:40 and P. Navarette of Just Driving, whose teammate E. Leyton drove on position 3 with 2:22:49. The fastest FXR was F. Gehammar who had a stunning run with a 2:22:63 he drove in the first qualyfing session earlier this week on saturday.

Here we go, GREEN FLAG as the race goes on, and already having a big mess up in the first hairpin, when A. Falkenhain of RAPTOR Racing collides with Joe Holmes and get pushed to the very end of the gravel nearly hitted the walls. He pushes the throttle hard, the tyres are spinning as he tries to get out of the gravel there, while one corner ahead in turn 2 chicane P. Krüger of Cargame.nl is having problems with the wheel and spins out there, standing across the track, but still able to continue back on position 23. After we've seen some great battles in the first 15 minutes when M. Wentjärvi does a stunning barrel roll in the Green Chicane, landing back on the tyres, damaging his suspension very hard, with no chance to continue at all, he still manages to drive the car back to the pits, but forcing the safety car coming out for the first time this race. After the first restart Heijerman still leading in front of Isaac Price and Gehammar in the strong FXR which is supposed to have some better perfomance here on the track then on all the others during the season, doing a great job so far. Simon Cattell of Adenoids Racing which is the guest team here, starting from position 18 behind Cargame.nl and almost reached position 4. Still having some problems, P. Krüger of Cargame.nl Team decided to switch the driver after just half an hour of driving on the track, trying to get some pace and positions back with T. Lomp. Still on second place we have Isaac Prace loosing the connection the server, right in the moment he flipped in Green Chicane, as the race goes on he finds the way back to the server. After the first stint goes by and some drivers changed over, the race continues with great battles in front and middle of the grid, when the safety car needs to come out again after 1 and a half hour of racing. And we will see some more safety car situations this race, to be exactly 12.. no, 13.. or was it 14 ? We couldnt even count them after many of them, mostly caused by flipping cars in the green chicane, when the cars laying on their roof next to the corner over there.

Luckily there has been many safety cars, giving the chance for Cargame.nl to stay in attacking position in front of the field, when they had a bad start, but now able to drive into top 10 position, when T. Lomp pitted and they found their way back to position 17, and some safety cars later surprisingly on position 4. In every restart they managed to defend their position, and stayed out of all the crashes happened their, sometimes forced the safety car to come out again right after. As we told this is going to be a hard race, but some teams managed to stay on track and just giving their cars some rear left suspension damage while going flat through the Green Chicane. After T. Lomp was driving 2 stints he reported that their may be some engine damage, because the car is way to slow on the straights, when he gave the wheel back to P. Krüger he noticed that too and tried to push the hell out of the car, trying to let all the cars behind them because of the very good position they got now.
And again the safety car saved their lives, when Krüger was able to move away on the restart a bit better from Falkenhain in his FZR. Everything seemed to be very fine and maybe they had to much luck during the whole race, driving their car from position 23 after Krüger messed up the start, coming in front to position 4.

4 minutes left in the race, Krüger was concentrating to much on tyre pressure, temperature, cars behavior, position, times between him and the car behind, how many time is left and how many laps that would be and because of that, Krüger lost the concentration and drove way to hard over the left inner curb of the Green Chicane and flips the car on top of the roof, when someone crashed into him and damaged the car even more, but the car of Krüger landed on the wheels again, with both front suspension damaged so heavily that he wasnt able to steer nowhere. He ended in the gravel of turn 9, when the Rescue Car tries to help him out there. Krüger was crying under his helmet, with 3 minutes left and a top 5 position this could have been the best result of the season, he doesnt gave up and still tried to make it to the pits to finish the car somewhere and earn a hand full of points. He only moved some meteres ahead, landing in the grass on the left inner side of turn 9a, still pushing the throttle, tyres spinning as right in that moment the race administration wrote that they need to spectate because the car is too heavily damaged. P. Krüger still full of anger, frustration, you could have seen him crying and shouting out loud "FOR GOD'S SAKE" under his helmet. The Safety Car was moving away for the last lap of the run with Joe Holmes in the lead, finishing the race on first place, K. Harvey made it to second place, with the best FXR position in the season so far, and finally Isaac Price finsihed 3rd, giving us some great racing and overtaking moments.

You have just seen the weirdest race in the season with 14 safety cars and many cars flipping in the green chicane, there are no words left to say than just: CRAZY. But still a fascinating perfomance of all teams, proofing that this amateur league is not amateurish enough, great racing though. Congratulations to the podium and teams that have finished this hard race. Cargame.nl is still in sorrow, when P. Krüger apalogizes a hundred times via team radio and after the race. The team was sad about this, but tried to push him a bit and told him that this is racing and you have to learn from your mistakes, for example that pushing so hard in the last 3 minutes of the race was really not that necessary. And for sure they will try to fight back in Round 4 when they are driving on maybe the most safely track, Aston Grand Touring Reversed.

(c) P. Krüger (aka M. Romboy of Cargame.nl)

Sorry, had no time enough to analyze every single lap and overtaking manouver, also the race was quite long, thats why i maybe missed out some great moments and overtakings, but still tried to make the review clear what was the main fact of the race, with all the safety car situations. Besides this i didnt try to correct all the mistakes in grammar and spelling.

Thank you to the commentary in the stream who showed and praised our team a lot of times, but on the other side this made us even more sad that we couldnt finish the race to proof our stunning performance we was surprised even by ourselfs.

[suzuki94]

Nice one! :nod:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Yep, great report once again... Although it misses a few nice screenies IMO.

Thank you to the commentary in the stream who showed and praised our team a lot of times, but on the other side this made us even more sad that we couldnt finish the race to proof our stunning performance we was surprised even by ourselfs.


That said... More importantly, you showed good pace, a good behaviour, and began to build a nice reputation. Who would've thought at the beginning of the season that you would get so close to a maiden podium, at only your 3rd ever endurance race? Stunning season start IMO.

[Flame CZE]

It's the same for us, we are happy that the commentators told that APR team is a surprise and is racing quite well, even if it's quite new in these kinds of leagues.

[reason0809]

]Yep, great report once again... Although it misses a few nice screenies IMO.

yeah i totally forgot to save the mpr to make some screenies again
and some screens from the stream arent in that good quality,
besides this they sometimes dont show the crashes, because the stream is a bit too late with that then

]That said... More importantly, you showed good pace, a good behaviour, and began to build a nice reputation. Who would've thought at the beginning of the season that you would get so close to a maiden podium, at only your 3rd ever endurance race? Stunning season start IMO.

thats true, we are surprised too, we never believed we'll be going that well,
moreover i'm driving the restricted fxr since just 3-4 months now, only had some sprint races on our cargame s2 server and i've never been racing 2 stints in a row before this event. i'm a mouse driver, so i think its even harder then, when pressing the keys on your keyboard for accelerating such a long time, and control the ingame wheel with the mouse, hard to keep concentration alive. but i found myself in a situation where i really enjoyed those stints, especially when i feel the setup is good. at this point i have to thank my teammates joske, litro and lomp again for testing the car multiple times on the server, improving the setup. and thanks to people like holmes sharing his setups with us to improve them even further. its quite surprisingly how un-ignorant some drivers can be these days, especially in a league event where everybody wants to be the best at least :thumbsup:

well all in all we are surprised of our perfomance in this league, we made a mistake in the testrace with the setup (R4/R3) and we had some bad luck with Litro's connection problems on KY2R, we had a bad qualifying in WE1 but a stunning race with a top 15 placement and on FE4 we showed our pace we may got the whole event, but my mistake upset the good run. i believe that we can make some good placements this season, after we've learned a lot of things in the first runs, and thats the mainfact of this amateur event, to learn from your mistakes and collect some experience :thumb:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

yeah i totally forgot to save the mpr to make some screenies again

Replays can be downloaded here (http://newdimensionracing.com/replays/GTAL/2011/GTAL2011Round3_Replays.7z).

Sure, it's a large file... So if you want to get away with only a few Mo instead of 100, you may always download a random quali session replay from here (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/event/2638/replays). Sure it doesn't replace some good pics of action packed moments or turning points, but having a few random shoots taken from hotlaps look better than nothing at all;)

[reason0809]

;1532458']Replays can be downloaded here (http://newdimensionracing.com/replays/GTAL/2011/GTAL2011Round3_Replays.7z).

Sure, it's a large file... So if you want to get away with only a few Mo instead of 100, you may always download a random quali session replay from here (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/event/2638/replays). Sure it doesn't replace some good pics of action packed moments or turning points, but having a few random shoots taken from hotlaps look better than nothing at all;)

thank you, i'll have a look into the stream again and will sort out the laps/minutes and upload some screenshots tomorrow :smileypul

[boothy]

Took a few myself :razz: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/9725404/1/GTAL%202011%20Round%203%20-%20FE4?h=85c4b2

[dekojester]

Incase anyone cares:


Track: Total Min Avg Max
Green 4:11:50 0:00:30 0:16:47 1:08:10
Yellow 1:50:20 0:03:35 0:07:21 0:12:37
And actual times of everything (based on tracker racecontrol log)

Pace Lap Start: 0:00:34
Race Start: 0:04:09
1st SCD: 0:17:02
1st Restart: 0:22:22
2nd SCD: 1:30:32
2nd Restart: 1:43:09
3rd SCD: 2:06:35
3rd Restart: 2:13:25
4th SCD: 2:22:45
4th Restart: 2:30:16
5th SCD: 2:39:08
5th Restart: 2:46:37
6th SCD: 2:48:27
6th Restart: 2:52:20
7th SCD: 3:16:19
7th Restart: 3:28:23
8th SCD: 4:03:02
8th Restart: 4:14:22
9th SCD: 4:36:00
9th Restart: 4:45:15
10th SCD: 5:11:24
10th Restart: 5:18:35
11th SCD: 5:19:05
11th Restart: 5:27:47
12th SCD: 5:32:35
12th Restart: 5:39:08
13th SCD: 5:41:06
13th Restart: 5:44:52
14th SCD: 5:55:58
14th Restart: 6:00:12
Race Finish: 6:02:44

[cargame.nl]

:schwitz:

[theodinho29]

Beautiful pictures Boothy :)

[Swiss-Spirit]

You want to smoke some grass ? May you want a watch ? Or some Sunglasses i got in my pockets ?


Hey, I remember that. Wasn't that in a commercial?:razz:

At least the bit with watch and sunglasses.

Nice report:thumb:

EDIT: Oh, didn't think we're 4th now:O

[CSF]

*bangs head on desk at reading more DJ stupidity* :dunce:

[Swiss-Spirit]

For what? You told me, but it took longer to be true so I thought you made a joke. I have to check pens again.

You know, someone who doesn't want Boothy to win and distracting us on TS, it's no wonder I don't believe it(well, Simon too:razz:). We'll have to accept the Fordy how he is.

Coolio anyway.

[reason0809]

thanks for all the lovely comments about my review :thumb:

WISH YOU ALL A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW EAR... ehhh YEAR...