BF1 Racing, how it should be

[BigDave2967]

This is how BF1 racing should be.

Take a look at this replay (BF1 STYLE) and look at the first and second driver *me* nothing but pace racing, times nearly the same, and not a driver to spoil it. I most certainly enjoyed that race. Now I can understand that its only 2drivers, but you can see that both of us were driving appropriatley and fairly. I can understand that its only come out on Friday, but surely just after a few days of driving the same car, you would be adapted to the TC, the braking points, and the high speeds of this car?


Not like this in blackwood. (BF1 TWITS) - the title is not to insult members, but as a joke, because I was laughing my head off when I saw the accidents. I was twit myself when I took the first corner, and missed a gear and spun off into some poor sod.

Just shows how bad it can be, at the beginning, expecially with lots of newbies on board. Now I can understand that there are so many drivers dying to try out the BF1, but shouldn't we practice on the slower formula cars, to adapt to the open wheelers, before taking part in the BF1. These cars are so fast, that you would have no idea, when to turn, when to brake, and when to put the foot down again. The BF1 isn't going anywhere, and you can use it anytime you wish, but shouldn't you practice on the slower cars first, to get the feel of things, before actually moving on to the fastest car of the game?

It is going to be very hard to get a good race going for everyone involved the BF1, if drivers don't have the experience to deal with the BF1s. It is recommended that all drivers, even experienced ones, should drive on the Formulas, V8s for a while before driving the BF1. I have done that myself.

[mkinnov8]

I havent watched the replays, i dont see the need, the thing is, its great posting something like this, and I totally understand what you have posted, but labling people "expecially with lots of newbies on board" and the replay Twits...

Remember you are also new, just like everyone else. Its new to us all, and it will take some time to get into things. Relax, chill and be patient with us newbies.

[Batterypark]

Mkinnov, people who lack the ability to drive the BF1 adequately, much less race it properly, should practice somewhere else than in online races. Also, being a newbie and being new to BF1 are very different things.

[BigDave2967]

Mkinnov, people who lack the ability to drive the BF1 adequately, much less race it properly, should practice somewhere else than in online races. Also, being a newbie and being new to BF1 are very different things.

Agreed. I have already got used to the TC and speed of the F1 car, the difference is, that they have no clue of experience about braking points, turnings. I'm just repeating waht Batterypark has said here.

[Crazy Harry]

Nice, there is still kind of "high nose" bug. Bump Drafting still works :tilt:

We did some 3man bumpdrafting today and gets into the 30.4Xs. Thx again for the great addons in patch T. :D

http://rapidshare.de/files/18784314/30.44.mpr.html

[travbrad]

No offense to any of the new players out there, but it might be best to learn a car other than the BF1 as your first car. BF1 is NOT easy to drive quickly, and small mistakes can make you crash (moreso than other cars, because it's so bloody fast and it can be difficult to make corrections in a split-second). I think the FOX would be a good starting point if you like open-wheelers. It'll also teach you some throttle control, which helps a lot, TC wont do ALL the work, believe it or not. :)

[rAcEr2418]

very true travbrad, i do believe unless you have expereince with FO8 for a while or other experience, you shouldnt start out with the BF1 if your a newbie to the game. I do really get a little mad when I see cars flying full speed in a turn, I just dont get how they think they can get through at full throttle. It is pretty funny seeing how you can just use that left pedal, and you wont wreck as many people. It makes things pretty dangerous, and pretty annoying if you want to have a good race. I do think they should practice in other cars. I knew the moment this car came out, there would be flying Saubers because the amount of people that like the car far outways their skill. I have pretty much stopped the oval completely as well for the sake of patience, I just cant do a race when they are wrecking from the speed. It takes a lot of skill (believe it or not) to take these to the oval, much more than the FO8. The racing is closer and much faster. Either way though, I do enjoy these cars on the circuits as it should be much more (newbs or not)...and I'm afraid my oval days are as done as PatchQ. See you around the circuits (Aston most probably! :nod: )

Regards,

SennARaCeR

[HugeF1]

I do what I like, and I don't want or need the likes of you to tell me what to do. I raced at BW the other night. I crashed lots, took people out and all of it my fault. Not ONE person was immature or stupid enought to call me a noob. Mainly cos they (like you) would be hypocrits. This patch came out on Fri, and you want people like me to stay offline untill I can do a 45.00 at Blackwood? Well, I won't. get a life and get some perspective. It's ONLY a GAME.
We ARE all noobs once, and I doubt very much whether you stayed offline until you could do 50 laps of Aston North with your eyes shut.

[richy]

also note that not all players are getting experience in the BF1 as the rest of you who sat there refreshing LFS.net waiting for the patch. not saying i didnt :P

[ArosaMike]

I do what I like, and I don't want or need the likes of you to tell me what to do. I raced at BW the other night. I crashed lots, took people out and all of it my fault. Not ONE person was immature or stupid enought to call me a noob. Mainly cos they (like you) would be hypocrits. This patch came out on Fri, and you want people like me to stay offline untill I can do a 45.00 at Blackwood? Well, I won't. get a life and get some perspective. It's ONLY a GAME.
We ARE all noobs once, and I doubt very much whether you stayed offline until you could do 50 laps of Aston North with your eyes shut.

But to be fair, why go and wreck a load of peoples races by crashing into them?! I practiced offline until I was consistant. There is absolutely NO point in 'racing' on a server when all you can do is smash into everyone at the first corner. And where do you get the idea that you can 'do what you like'. It's a free world yes, but we all need to abide by a few basic rules so we all get along.

I know it's only a game, but can you not see how annoying it is when you've invested 15mins of your life in a race at Blackwood, pulled out a 20s lead and then have somone who has no clue what they're doing try and overtake you into the first corner of BL from 200m back and write your chassis off!...and for what. I don't generally get angry with the people because there is often no point, but it doesn't mean I'm not damn pissed about it.

I'm afraid to say that I personally think until you can do consistant 58s laps or under round BL...no I don't think you should race in the same race as people doing 56s, 55s, and 54s. The Super Aguris are 4-5s secs slower per lap in F1 and you can see how much of a hassel those are to the leaders. I don't know any motorsport where there would be such a huge gap as there is in LFS sometimes. I've been on servers recently where someone sets a fastest lap of 55.xs and the slowest person sets a 1min20s lap! You'd be faster and safer doing it in an FXO!

[farcar]

I'm afraid to say that I personally think until you can do consistant 58s laps or under round BL...no I don't think you should race in the same race as people doing 56s, 55s, and 54s. The Super Aguris are 4-5s secs slower per lap in F1 and you can see how much of a hassel those are to the leaders. I don't know any motorsport where there would be such a huge gap as there is in LFS sometimes. I've been on servers recently where someone sets a fastest lap of 55.xs and the slowest person sets a 1min20s lap! You'd be faster and safer doing it in an FXO!

Whilst I think that HugeF1 has come across as a complete tosser with total disregard for his fellow racers with his comments, I don't think we should be putting suggested minimum laptimes on people. I don't race the BF1 all that often and am around the 59sec mark normally.

However I've never taken anyone out on a server, accidentally or otherwise. It's all about attitude, not pace.

[MyBoss]

But to be fair, why go and wreck a load of peoples races by crashing into them?! I practiced offline until I was consistant. There is absolutely NO point in 'racing' on a server when all you can do is smash into everyone at the first corner. And where do you get the idea that you can 'do what you like'. It's a free world yes, but we all need to abide by a few basic rules so we all get along.

I know it's only a game, but can you not see how annoying it is when you've invested 15mins of your life in a race at Blackwood, pulled out a 20s lead and then have somone who has no clue what they're doing try and overtake you into the first corner of BL from 200m back and write your chassis off!...and for what. I don't generally get angry with the people because there is often no point, but it doesn't mean I'm not damn pissed about it.

I'm afraid to say that I personally think until you can do consistant 58s laps or under round BL...no I don't think you should race in the same race as people doing 56s, 55s, and 54s. The Super Aguris are 4-5s secs slower per lap in F1 and you can see how much of a hassel those are to the leaders. I don't know any motorsport where there would be such a huge gap as there is in LFS sometimes. I've been on servers recently where someone sets a fastest lap of 55.xs and the slowest person sets a 1min20s lap! You'd be faster and safer doing it in an FXO!


Spot on and amen to that. The only thing I don't agree in is when youre saying people shouldn't race in races with low 55s if they are driving laps of one minute.
I've raced very fast people that have been total jerks and arseholes, and very slow people that have respect for others.
Even that people are slower dosen't mean they don't know how to race and be respectful to others.
When I started in LFS, I learnt the tracks online, but I stayed the heck out of the way of the faster guys until I got decent times.

[SkyNet]

I just wonder how long will this BF1 hysteria last for. I mean, when i go online and check the servers i rarely spot any fox and almost no FO8 servers.

[vade]

I do what I like, and I don't want or need the likes of you to tell me what to do. I raced at BW the other night. I crashed lots, took people out and all of it my fault. Not ONE person was immature or stupid enought to call me a noob.
You can hopefully do whatever you find pleasing, but respect for others should come first. This should become obvious along with social maturity.

And, "noob" or not, you can always use the prediction mechanism built into your brain to decelerate early when it seems necessary to avoid a crash. I think it's mostly a case of common sense than skill. :thumb:

[HugeF1]

Whilst I think that HugeF1 has come across as a complete tosser with total disregard for his fellow racers with his comments, I don't think we should be putting suggested minimum laptimes on people. I don't race the BF1 all that often and am around the 59sec mark normally.

However I've never taken anyone out on a server, accidentally or otherwise. It's all about attitude, not pace.

Did I even say it was ok? Did I even say I did it on purpose? Of course I didn't. I didn't do ANY of the things you mentioned. I appologised after every single crash, I have been racing online for a while now, and I know a lot about racing in general, yes I made a couple of silly errors, but you like all the other tossers assume I did it on purpose. I didn't, they were ACCIDENTS. I know exactly how to behave online, and none of you know me, so how the **** can you make comments regarding my maturity. ok some errors I made were, forgetting to check both sides of the track before I moved (going three wide, me in the middle), a VERY common error, which is very easy to make with no spotter. not moving out the way quick enough when I spun (I had just turned off t/c). crashing into someone who decided to park on the racing line, and stayed there for 3 laps, and I foolishly assumed he would have gone when I came round for the third time.
As some of you don't seem to know english (fair enough, why should you), I will make it a bit clearer. When I said I do what I want, I was refering to when I go out on track, not what I do on track. I hope when I see some of you guys online, we can race fairly and evenly. Hope it clears things up a bit.

[danowat]

It makes no difference how much experiance you have, or how much practice you have offline, if you do not stack up to these elitist twits then you are fair game.

I am fairly experianced with LFS, and I had done a fair few laps offline on BLGP in the BF1 when I ventured online, ok so I was about 2-3 seconds slower than the faster guys, but was subjected to a torrent of "BLUE FLAG MOVE OUT OF THE WAY" and "GO LEARN OFFLINE NOOB" abuse.

There are just some elitist idiots out there, same as in the real world.

Dan,

[Crazy Harry]

blahblahblah...To the guy who made the comment about how much skill it takes to race at the oval: Try doing something else for a change so you get some perspective. ...blahblahblah
zzZZzz :D

[Hyperactive]

I have met a person online who had at least 3 or 4 different "blueflag-signals"-mapped to his F-buttons. It started like "Blue Flag!!!!!" and after a while it was like "Blue flag you **** noob!!! Let me pass you ****!!****!! ****!!!".

That's what I call patience :D

[v4forlife]

hell, as long as you know general race law, like letting faster lapping cars past(unless yoru battling for place) and giving room for cars braking earlier/later for you(be it behind or in front) then i think it dont matter what times your racing. i jumped straight onto multiplayer with the bf1, and im by no means a great driver. but i know how to race, and the rules of the track, so i didnt cause any accidents that first day(maybe from people plowing into me after a spin:oops:)

[spsamsp]

This is how BF1 racing should be.

Take a look at this replay (BF1 STYLE) and look at the first and second driver *me* nothing but pace racing, times nearly the same, and not a driver to spoil it. I most certainly enjoyed that race.

Not like this in blackwood. (BF1 TWITS)

Just shows how bad it can be, at the beginning, expecially with lots of newbies on board.

Isn't this a bit... Well... Stereotypical???

[spsamsp]

When S2 came out we had the same situation, ie: People turning up in the forums babbling on about how they had more skill than everybody else and how "noobs" should stay out of the FO8. I doubt very much that these people are any safer than anybody else. They are probably the same people who spam BLUE FLAGz0Rz!! messages at every opportunity and then blame the guy they hit while trying to lap him in the middle of a chicane.

To the guy who made the comment about how much skill it takes to race at the oval: Try doing something else for a change so you get some perspective. Oh, and "Hahahahahahaha"

I agree! I was once a "noob" and still am quite a bit. I admit, also, at first i couldn't handle the FO8 but soon, wit a bit of practice and the ourchase of S1 and S2... I got the hang of it. Practice makes perfect... So they say :nod:

[J3ZZA]

Well your "twits" replay was on BLGP with a load of racers which is never good in the BF1. The problem at the moment is the braking abilities of the BF1, because they are so great people can't react in time so people simply need to predict it and brake earlier than usual.

Your "Style" repay was on a large wide track with a few racers which would help make it cleaner. BLGP isn't really a good track for the BF1 because it's so quick and it's corner after corner after corner.

[mkinnov8]

Its a very sad attitude to turn around to someone and say go practice off line... why should they? and why should I?

Ive paid for the licence and I think ill race online and practice online all I want to. Dismissing new people is not the way.

Dissapointing... but somewhat expected.

Good luck.

[Albieg]

And someone asked me why I keep staying on demo servers. I am really disappointed by the kind of macho attitude against newbies that crops up in this forum here and there. I'm not naming names, you judge. Don't ask me, ask yourself. I'm glad someone pointed out that driving skills and decent behaviour are not related.

Reminds me of an old song:
Punk's not dead, it just deserves to die
when it becomes another stale cartoon...
A closed minded self centered social club,
Ideas don't matter it's who you know...

I don't know if LFS is becoming a closed minded self centered social club, but having read this thread (and others) I clearly see the danger. I'm starting to hope the AI gets better very soon because at least they don't make you feel like an idiot. The AI drivers don't need to realise that fresh blood and money keep communities and projects alive. Some other people should.

[the_angry_angel]

I don't know if LFS is becoming a closed minded self centered social club, but having read this thread (and others) I clearly see the danger. I'm starting to hope the AI gets better very soon because at least they don't make you feel like an idiot. The AI drivers don't need to realise that fresh blood and money keep communities and projects alive. Some other people should.Agreed.

[rabidmaddog]

Personally, I enjoy trying to avoid accidents which have occurred on the track as well as passing slower traffic. I love the AI pile-ups, as well as those with real drivers. I also enjoy the dynamics of having faster and slower cars on the track at the same time. Sure, driving in a nice orderly paceline with no accidents is also fun, but I prefer a little variety and perhaps a bit of chaos on the track myself. I certainly try my best not to cause any accidents, but mistakes and accidents are a part of racing weather real or simulated, by both experienced and inexperienced drivers. I just drive the best I can and don't worry about it.

However, I really would like to know who changed the term "newbie" to "noobie". If we can all agree on one thing, let it be that the term's orrigin is the word "new", not "noo". “Newbie” is actually in the dictionary. “Noobie” is not. I had to complain about something and "noobie" was the most trivial issue I could think of. LOL.

As for the BMW Sauber F1, it’s an awesome car. I just wish F1’s still had 900hp! 700 will have to do :nod:

[ErockCTS]

well im a newbie to this game and ill slow down and pull over to a side when i see a blue flag pop up ... if im in the middle of an S turn slow down and then pass on the straight dont try and run me off the road ... ive raced many of games from arcade to simulation (mostly Forza and Xbox way to many hours in that game)

i have limited knowledge of the different set ups but im learning and i hate playing offline because an AI can always be beat ... humans adapt and learn making it more fun

so if anyone sees me online say Hey want some help if you see me spun out in the sand dont be like ... why did you not let me pass you on that s turn u made me crash ... i havnt been around long enough ( 2 days) but i do notice only a few people will help the newbies out but if you all dont pitch in and help its gonna get worse and less and less people

[rabidmaddog]

Oh it's gone all the way from newbie to n00b and eventually to "nub" as FPS twitch gamers have gradually got stupider and stupider over the years.

Yeah, no kidding. Back when I started gaming on my Atari and the cars were composed of a few flat rectangles, there was no Internet and certainly no online gaming chat. Despite our somewhat limited technology at the time, at least we knew how to spell...

[rabidmaddog]

well im a newbie to this game and ill slow down and pull over to a side when i see a blue flag pop up ... if im in the middle of an S turn slow down and then pass on the straight dont try and run me off the road ... ive raced many of games from arcade to simulation (mostly Forza and Xbox way to many hours in that game)

i have limited knowledge of the different set ups but im learning and i hate playing offline because an AI can always be beat ... humans adapt and learn making it more fun

so if anyone sees me online say Hey want some help if you see me spun out in the sand dont be like ... why did you not let me pass you on that s turn u made me crash ... i havnt been around long enough ( 2 days) but i do notice only a few people will help the newbies out but if you all dont pitch in and help its gonna get worse and less and less people

I'll help you solely because you can spell "newbie" correctly.
There's actually a very good LFS S2 manual available which gives a good explanation of how to implement the various setup parameters. There's one page which covers the basics of handling and setups in a nice little table format. I use it to adjust my real formula 1 car...oh wait..I was dreaming that part...

[JTbo]

1st priority not crash to others
2nd priority stay on road
3rd priority try to win

Much more fun if all just would use these priorities...

I'm nowdays too slow to fight from 1st place, still I manage to win at times, specially longer races are much more fun when you follow those three rules, then there is also racing code that is good to know, for example if behind is faster driver you are not allowed to block him continuosly, you are allowed to one line change and that you should be doing so that you don't touch other car.

If you feel that if other car gets past you at T1 and you can't win then, how do you think keeping other car behind you next laps?

Touching other cars should be made very bad thing, like adding more time for your finish time or something, or maybe not, but anyway respect other racers and learn how to block and overtake without risk of crashing, fast laps comes after that and believe me it is worth it, you will find totally new world of racing then.

In richard burns rally there is loading screens that notes that even your car is capable of great speeds you can use that speed very rarely, if you feel car is hard to control you are going too fast. I find it very suitable for track racing too, other cars are not to be ignored, you need to drive bit slower leaving little space between limit and racing speed.

[ArosaMike]

I think you guys are probably right about my comment regarding times. Perhaps my upper limit was a bit too stringent :P You're right that you don't have to be on the pace to be considerate to people. I guess I was just meaning that it's often the case that you get those people that can't go round any of the corners without spinning and then just sit on the racing line! If you just take it easy and give way in the right place then that's cool :)

I totally agree that there are a lot of fast twits out there. People that only know how to hotlap. A major skill in racing is picking your moment to overtake and not getting worked up. OK, so you may loose a couple of seconds behind someone round a corner, but it's better to wait a bit than to go and crash into the poor backmarker. I think a lot of arrogant racers don't see it like this and think that everyone else should bow down before them and just drive straight off the track as soon as they see them in their mirror.

I race in a karting championship for my Uni which involves 52 other teams. Suprisingly we actually have very similar problems in the real races. The abilities are hugely mixed varying from people who have litterally never raced before, to people who race in Formula Renault or are veteran national karters. It's a great opportunity for all, but there is always a select few who are too big for their boots (all the gear and no idea types). You'll come up to lap them, and they just dive all over the track trying to block you! It's nuts. They've caused serious accidents before because of it. I've learnt to be really careful now, and it's certainly a lesson in patience and timed overtaking, but sometimes it's unavoidable. At least 3 or 4 times, I've overtaken someone a few corners back, and then going into a hairpin they somehow think they're going to overtake when the gap has grown to 3 or 4 seconds. Usually you just about see a kart approaching very fast, rears locked just as your turning in. By then it's too late, and the idiot takes you out! They get warned all the time, but it doesn't stop them. Problem is, they all just think 'ah it's not me doing it...I'm fast' when in reality they're not!

[ErockCTS]

I'll help you solely because you can spell "newbie" correctly.
There's actually a very good LFS S2 manual available which gives a good explanation of how to implement the various setup parameters. There's one page which covers the basics of handling and setups in a nice little table format. I use it to adjust my real formula 1 car...oh wait..I was dreaming that part...

ive read bits and pieces of it and tried to apply them but i also used some knowledge of how i drive and applied it to the BF1 and i seem to be doin much better now that i changed the rear tires to the 80 degree tires so they warm up faster :)

[JTbo]

Oh yes, I too have found that typical 5 lapper race is just too short for BF1 race setup, it takes indeed 3 laps to get tires to operating temp, so you can start pushing after 3 laps and server races are still just 5 laps for some odd reason :shrug:

[tristancliffe]

40 laps or more is what you want. No F1 race has ever been 5 laps. The shortest was 14 (not counting the Nordschliefe) at Adelaide back in 1991. Red flagged to due heavy rain.

[rabidmaddog]

Oh yes, I too have found that typical 5 lapper race is just too short for BF1 race setup, it takes indeed 3 laps to get tires to operating temp, so you can start pushing after 3 laps and server races are still just 5 laps for some odd reason :shrug:

Indeed. Also, a 5 lap race in the BF1 is over in 4 minutes! LOL.

[ErockCTS]

i was having fun doin 15 laps before on a server with like 15 people ... pullin over to the side and stuff but i ran a lil over a min lap for my PB not bad for 2 days of gamin on a real pure sim

[SamH]

I'm gobsmacked to see this thread. We've had the BF1 how long, and already people are pointing and screaming n00b at the slower drivers?

I've never seen anything more ridiculous get so much unwarranted affirmation. It's pathetic. Get real.

[JTbo]

I'm gobsmacked to see this thread. We've had the BF1 how long, and already people are pointing and screaming n00b at the slower drivers?

I've never seen anything more ridiculous get so much unwarranted affirmation. It's pathetic. Get real.

Yes, it is a shame, but maybe it has come to this because many new guys come from need for speed and counter strike, then they just drive like they did in nfs and respect others like in cs, maybe they hope to have also guns to shoot others away, don't know, but even there is perhaps less these fellas it is so visible part that some guys are easily generalizing too much.

I must say that I have met newbies that are great drivers, slow but absolutely much better drivers than some of those who have been driving over year.

So calling someone newbie should just mean that he is new to sim, calling wreckless driver should be used to those who crashes, but that is too long word so impatient ones will get bored when writing that...

Most important is that new driver is at least driving to race clean and understands he is new he might have not all skills yet to control car and so he is adjusting his driving to fit his skills. Also when making mistakes it is polite to say sorry, it is a must thing to do, imo.

[Impreza WRX]

N00bs and new users refer to my DRIVING TIPS thread in the Beginner's Forum for useful advice on how to drive these mega speed machines!

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2531&highlight=driving+tips

[Infiniti]

Well these days, if you can't handle a steep learning curve fast enough even after a new patch that swirls old tendencies around, then you get called a "noob". Lucky for me I've been driving quite some time with :lfs: to learn quickly a rough idea how a new car will handle in the sim. Just takes practice, I get lonely offline so I just join a small server and lap around learn new lines while having some company :shy:

[ErockCTS]

N00bs and new users refer to my DRIVING TIPS thread in the Beginner's Forum for useful advice on how to drive these mega speed machines!

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2531&highlight=driving+tips


good read :thumb:

[Albieg]

And horrible spelling for newbie. A quick peek at the wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbie) could help some people to stop insulting other people, voluntarily or not.

And now some OT: let me say the whole word degenaration process reminds me closely of another, far worse insult: ******. You'll see some pretty asterisks because that word is banned in this forum and I won't try to circumvent the ban.
This word has its origin in latin, where the term niger means black (referring to the colour), becoming negro in some of the first forms of ancient Italian with the same meaning and still present in modern Italian no longer defining the colour (which is nero), but a black person. The word negro in modern Italian has no particular offensive meaning, though its use is sometimes debated. The real origin of ****** may come from French or Spanish: the original word got deformed and assumed a derogatory tone.
A similar process happened to newbie resulting in l33tspeak n00b. It's worth noting that both pages for ****** and newbie in wikipedia are protected because of vandalism.

[rAcEr2418]

Well about the screaming...I am by no way insulting any noob drivers. We all were once, right? :shrug: But what I am getting at is the moment we get something new (LFS or life, deosnt matter) we just have to try it right away, even if we know its not best. Now I dont know how to say this w/out getting bashed, but anywhere - we need to think of others too. Seriously, I am not saying if your a newb, dont race online, but either practice a little in slower cars, or offline, and read. It won't hurt to check out the beginner's Forum for a series of quick reads just so you aren't hurting other peoples races. I am also not saying we're any better then you, its just that experience is time based, just give it sometime before you rush on filling every server because the BF1 is just soooo awesome. I know a lot of people say it's the easiest car to drive. It's not, it does take skill believe it or not, because otherwise people wouldn't go full throttle into the back of someone at a hairpin, or just losing it out of nowhere and then backing into a leader. The shift+s isn't that realistic I know, (everyone wants their chance to limp it back and save their laps) but in a short informal online race, it really helps protect the leaders. I have sooo many times just been backed into by someone who wrecks on one side and backs all the way to the other.

But whatevers, the point - Take it easy, and think/respect others on the track. We all want to win, thats why we get mad when someone wrecks us, therefore, think of the others trying to do the samething.

[Albieg]

Well about the screaming...I am by no way insulting any noob drivers.
I have to repeat myself: intentionally or not, you just did it.

[rAcEr2418]

How so, telling them to back off a little?? You know, think about others...:pillepall

[Albieg]

Using the word noob. However, who cares about communication, nowadays...

Edit: yes, think about others.

[rAcEr2418]

AHA, lol I see...beginners :thumb:

[Albieg]

I just take it as being unintentionally rammed from behind by a newbie. Interesting thread, I'd say. An accurate analysis would demonstrate lots of sad things about human behaviour, such as the inability to say the word "sorry".

[BigDave2967]

I'm gobsmacked to see this thread. We've had the BF1 how long, and already people are pointing and screaming n00b at the slower drivers?

I've never seen anything more ridiculous get so much unwarranted affirmation. It's pathetic. Get real.

It's pathetic. Get real. Pity I expected more from you because everyone is talking about this apporpriatley, and not discussing the "quality" of this topic. If you don't like this topic, you don't have to post here.

There is a difference. Drivers with months, even years experience on LFS, that can quickly adapt to the BF1, and drive away and win consecutive races. If you see on the replay of "BF1 Style" 1st place battle was enjoyable, and how it should be, especially after a few days.

But still a majority of new drivers and heading straight to BF1s instead of the more basic cars, and they are becoming full of themselves, and think they know what the braking point is, and making the corner. Especially when they spin, and not pit at all. *especially when they are on the racing line*

[tinvek]

just wish some people would remember the following

1, we all were new to lfs once.

2, these incidents are not happening in league races, just casual meetings of people who enjoy LFS

3, although we call LFS a sim, at end of day it is a game and not real life, to the best of my knowlage no one is racing for money, no one has to spend £x thousands repairing their pc after being shunted off and no one ends up in hospital or morque. (unless they get so wound up that they suffer a heart attack or fall off chair)

basically just chill out , yeah its anoying but there are far worse drivers out there on public roads and chances are you come across them every day, some of the worst being those who display the very charactoristics that the people who complain about noobs do here,

i,e. "get out of my way, your going to slow, you shouldn.t be allowed on the road" etc etc.

LFS THE FIRST SIM WITH SIMULATED ROAD RAGE :) :)

one idea would be go on another track, bl attracts new drivers and with lap times under a minute and currently fields of 20 carswhich are being spread out by incidents, it can actually be hard to find a gap to leave the pits and its inevitable that people do not fancy waiting up to 40 secs for a decent gap before joining track, especially when due to pit wall, the only way, unless you change view point, of seeing down the track is by pulling level with the cones and then risking being hit by cars which misjudge their braking point, its happened to me and its bloody anoying, especially since the driver concerned attempted to blame me till it was pointed out i was in pit lane, very close to barrier, and he hit me hard enough to flick over me and hit the top of the fence

yes i know the track map helps but when theres a yellow dot passing every 3 secs its not realistic to judge your exit on a 5mm gap between dots.

[Albieg]

Curiously enough, as a newbie who doesn't go online often, I second the position of SamH. I didn't express my opinion about that before because I don't think there's always strength in numbers. But now I feel I have to do it. Although BigDave may have some points, his initial attitude, as pointed out by some other forum users, is somewhat elitist and doesn't consider at all the fact that the BF1 is completely new, so the mayhem could well be over in some time. For practical reasons LFS won't go far if this elitist attitude will prevail. That's why I was particularly glad to see an experienced LFSer like The Angry Angel agreeing with me. But anyway, consensus is not truth. We'll just have to wait and see.

[BigDave2967]

Curiously enough, as a newbie who doesn't go online often, I second the position of SamH. I didn't express my opinion about that before because I don't think there's always strength in numbers. But now I feel I have to do it. Although BigDave may have some points, his initial attitude, as pointed out by some other forum users, is somewhat elitist and doesn't consider at all the fact that the BF1 is completely new, so the mayhem could well be over in some time. For practical reasons LFS won't go far if this elitist attitude will prevail. That's why I was particularly glad to see an experienced LFSer like The Angry Angel agreeing with me. But anyway, consensus is not truth. We'll just have to wait and see.

How do you mean by my initial attitude? *If it helps, I'm asking in curiosity, not in anger. :)*

[Albieg]

As wikipedia says about twit: A silly, annoying, ineffectual, and/or imbecilic person, typically English.

We all know wikipedia has some wrong entries, but I don't think this is the case. In my opinion you repeatedly lacked in style failing to accept some basic facts, too. I find this quite ironical. Class is not water, we say here. Of course you can rejudge your attitude just paying attention to the thread and to the answers you received, evaluating the whole context and the consequences of your actions and your words. The title of this thread is irritating too. I expected to read some more or less accurate technical analysis, instead I got two replays I won't even bother downloading.

Let's do some experimental spinning:
But of course you can always think you were right calling other players twits. I'll always think that referring that way to other people in public severely lacks in style and understanding. The defensive reaction was comical too, when you repeated the words of another forumer without adding any kind of content. Just like "hey, somebody else thinks what I think!" and hiding behind him just to show you're not alone. I know that. You may score some points, I said, but you've chosen some of the weakest possible forms of expression: silly, annoying, ineffectual and imbecillic. That doesn't equate to you being a twit, of course. Unless you think that other paying LFSers who prompted you to start such a thread are twits in their real life. This could well be, but you don't know them enough to say such a thing. And I don't know you, so I won't base my judgement on a few words. Sorry for this spin, but I thought it was the best way to try to make you understand. If I offended you, please accept my apologies.

Edit: for other things, reread the thread, and reevaluate.

[MrGrumpy]

I just wonder how long will this BF1 hysteria last for. I mean, when i go online and check the servers i rarely spot any fox and almost no FO8 servers.

I know. Perhaps this is part of the problem too - if you want to race online at Blackwood, you have little option but to take the BF1.

I don't really enjoy the BF1 (everything happens too fast!!!), can't drive it consistently and still much prefer the FOX. However, that can be a little lonely at the moment....

[mkinnov8]

How do you mean by my initial attitude? *If it helps, I'm asking in curiosity, not in anger. :)*

Well there are a few things, firstly the wording of your initial post, your use of the words "Style" and "twits", and im sure "noob" is mentioned there somewhere. Thats what got me started really.

It's pathetic. Get real. Pity I expected more from you because everyone is talking about this apporpriatley, and not discussing the "quality" of this topic. If you don't like this topic, you don't have to post here.

There is a difference. Drivers with months, even years experience on LFS, that can quickly adapt to the BF1, and drive away and win consecutive races. If you see on the replay of "BF1 Style" 1st place battle was enjoyable, and how it should be, especially after a few days.

But still a majority of new drivers and heading straight to BF1s instead of the more basic cars, and they are becoming full of themselves, and think they know what the braking point is, and making the corner. Especially when they spin, and not pit at all. *especially when they are on the racing line*

This also...Drivers with months, even years experience on LFS that can quickly adapt to the BF1... Im afraid it doesnt always work that way.

Personally, pre-patch, I wouldnt touch the FO8, when the patch was released, I was with a team mate. I was intending to race the BF1 offline for a few laps before joining a server. But my team mate setup a temp server and invited me to join him online so we could experience this beast together, which we did for around 3 hours solid. It was great, loads of people were joining all the time and some clean (fun) racing was had by all.

New people will arrive every day, they will go straight for the reason they bought the game, which at the moment is the BF1 and they will want to drive it online, and why the hell shouldnt they be allowed to, they bought a licence, they shall drive what they wish. The credits system was disabled a while ago.

Patience + Respect + Track Awareness = Great Racing Experience.

"becoming full of themselves" - What about all the so-called Experienced people who are always full of themselves because they have a world record, high lapcount or can so single fast laps?

Curiously enough, as a newbie who doesn't go online often, I second the position of SamH. I didn't express my opinion about that before because I don't think there's always strength in numbers. But now I feel I have to do it. Although BigDave may have some points, his initial attitude, as pointed out by some other forum users, is somewhat elitist and doesn't consider at all the fact that the BF1 is completely new, so the mayhem could well be over in some time. For practical reasons LFS won't go far if this elitist attitude will prevail. That's why I was particularly glad to see an experienced LFSer like The Angry Angel agreeing with me. But anyway, consensus is not truth. We'll just have to wait and see.

I find myself totally agreeing with you on serveral points here.

just wish some people would remember the following

1, we all were new to lfs once.

2, these incidents are not happening in league races, just casual meetings of people who enjoy LFS

3, although we call LFS a sim, at end of day it is a game and not real life, to the best of my knowlage no one is racing for money, no one has to spend £x thousands repairing their pc after being shunted off and no one ends up in hospital or morque. (unless they get so wound up that they suffer a heart attack or fall off chair)

basically just chill out , yeah its anoying but there are far worse drivers out there on public roads and chances are you come across them every day, some of the worst being those who display the very charactoristics that the people who complain about noobs do here,

i,e. "get out of my way, your going to slow, you shouldn.t be allowed on the road" etc etc.

LFS THE FIRST SIM WITH SIMULATED ROAD RAGE :) :)

one idea would be go on another track, bl attracts new drivers and with lap times under a minute and currently fields of 20 carswhich are being spread out by incidents, it can actually be hard to find a gap to leave the pits and its inevitable that people do not fancy waiting up to 40 secs for a decent gap before joining track, especially when due to pit wall, the only way, unless you change view point, of seeing down the track is by pulling level with the cones and then risking being hit by cars which misjudge their braking point, its happened to me and its bloody anoying, especially since the driver concerned attempted to blame me till it was pointed out i was in pit lane, very close to barrier, and he hit me hard enough to flick over me and hit the top of the fence

yes i know the track map helps but when theres a yellow dot passing every 3 secs its not realistic to judge your exit on a 5mm gap between dots.

Exactly Right.

How so, telling them to back off a little?? You know, think about others...:pillepall

Try reversing that and see how it feels...

Ive been driving LFS since before S2 alpha was released, with some considerable time spend in the demo servers before the release date. I have met many people on the track who have become friends who I still regularly see. I have met many arsehole who doesnt like me on the track, or here, it happens everywhere, its something new to get used to.

I PLAY LFS for fun. I am involved with some League races, and those which are private are taken as seriously by an experienced person as they are by a guy or gal who is very new to the Simulation.

I still consider myself to be new. Even those who have been here longer, sometimes dont understand or show any kind of compassion towards the newer driver... I dont see why not, its not hard to think about words before posting, on the track people get hot-headed. Frankyly its annoying.

I see it a lot, a few guys will be having some FUN on the track, racing away, having some contact, saying sorry and getting on with it... Then an experienced guy will join, and a few races in, there will be an incident that was perfectly acceptable for those already in the server, but to the experienced guy, this is unacceptable, on purpuse or "noobish", and the person involved will be told that, and thats unfair, they never bought this game to be told they are new, or to be treated with any less respect than others. Sometimes, experienced drivers RUIN great, fun racing sessions. They seem to think that entering a server, winning the first, second, third race, and all the rest that follow is something thats gonna be looked up to by others in the server, that the field of cars will part upon command and let them through, a message for those who (deep down) think this...

ITS NOT TRUE, NOBODY REALLY CARES HOW YOU DRIVE ON THE TRACK.

[Thats a long post for 8:53am on a tuesday morning.. DFP DFP DFP today]!

[mkinnov8]

I know. Perhaps this is part of the problem too - if you want to race online at Blackwood, you have little option but to take the BF1.

I don't really enjoy the BF1 (everything happens too fast!!!), can't drive it consistently and still much prefer the FOX. However, that can be a little lonely at the moment....

Agreed! Although I must add that the FO8 is fantastic to drive now, and the FOX has been improved also, Amazing cars to drive.

[BigDave2967]

As wikipedia says about twit: A silly, annoying, ineffectual, and/or imbecilic person, typically English.

Only the fact that I am not English. :D.

We all know wikipedia has some wrong entries, but I don't think this is the case. In my opinion you repeatedly lacked in style failing to accept some basic facts, too. I find this quite ironical. Class is not water, we say here. Of course you can rejudge your attitude just paying attention to the thread and to the answers you received, evaluating the whole context and the consequences of your actions and your words. The title of this thread is irritating too. I expected to read some more or less accurate technical analysis, instead I got two replays I won't even bother downloading.

I have paid attention to the thread, just not botherd to reply until my name got whipped and touche. I would have made a more thorough analysis, but I was simply busy, and didn't have the time to do it. But points have been made clear on both sides. Which is what I am happy to achieve on this thread.

Let's do some experimental spinning:
But of course you can always think you were right calling other players twits.

That is simply pure speculation on what you think I was meaning. I was being sarcastic. For example, someone makes a silly mistake, whether its real life, or online, you laugh for them, and tease them "You dipstick!" or "You twit!" Of course there were going to be crashes in the T1, or in every race on BF1, since the debut on Friday.

I'll always think that referring that way to other people in public severely lacks in style and understanding. The defensive reaction was comical too, when you repeated the words of another forumer without adding any kind of content. Just like "hey, somebody else thinks what I think!" and hiding behind him just to show you're not alone. I know that.

Another pure speculation. I was realising that I was repeating what I said, but in a different form of description. I haven't kissed his arse, or hid behind since.

You may score some points, I said, but you've chosen some of the weakest possible forms of expression: silly, annoying, ineffectual and imbecillic. That doesn't equate to you being a twit, of course. Unless you think that other paying LFSers who prompted you to start such a thread are twits in their real life.

I may have chosen the weakest forms, yes, but I'm still on the learning curve of how to deal with these matters appropriately. I don't consider other LFS users "twits" unless they are exactly like Laden, plus it would form a disrespect to other members, sets a bad example on this forum, and making a poor reputation for myself. As I already explained on the replays, "twits" above, it was not intended to insult.


This could well be, but you don't know them enough to say such a thing. And I don't know you, so I won't base my judgement on a few words. Sorry for this spin, but I thought it was the best way to try to make you understand. If I offended you, please accept my apologies.

Well you got me to understand the views, but you have taken my sort of views the wrong way, and took this approach. Which I expected, as I realised that I did put in a poor effort on this thread, and should have made more time put into it, and take more consideration, but as already explained, I was busy, and had to deal things in a rush.

Now I do apologise if I offended others, I will be more considerate in my actions in the future, but I wasn't doing this to insult drivers, but just to get their attention and see a twitch in the vien of their foreheads. I am not the member you think I am right now. A wanker.

*edit* I just changed the summary of the topic on top. Hope that looks better.

[Albieg]

Now that's becoming really embarassing: about you not being English: I couldn't care less. I'm Italian and I don't live in an English speaking country, I never speak English and I write English only in this forum. That doesn't mean I would insult people with words whose meaning I don't know and understand. I would try to use a dictionary and, whenever failing in my communication intentions, APOLOGISE or recognise the error. You failed to do so even now.
You were being sarcastic? I love sarcasm too, but not when, as in your case, it's really "the lowest form of wit", as George Bernard Shaw said. Once again you fail to understand sarcasm is based on mechanisms you don't seem to be comfortable with, and stand by your error even when all evidence is against you, when the communication error is yours and call my reflections pure speculation. That's simply rubbish. No sarcasm intended here.

Different form of description? Oh, please.

Stop the name calling, please. If I realised you were the one behind the "named and shamed" thread I wouldn't even have bothered answering to you. But it seems that the reactions on that thread did not affect you too, and you do the same thing again. Style? Don't make me laugh. Now I've got a clearer understanding. My first post was rather idiotic too, but you really don't seem to learn.

And your effort is much poorer than you think, since you call my thoughts speculations when they are direct consequences of your mistakes. There IS a reason of my speculation,it's in your actions, and you fail to understand it or apologise to people who feel offended by your mistakes. I find this really, really ironical.

[BigDave2967]

Agreed! Although I must add that the FO8 is fantastic to drive now, and the FOX has been improved also, Amazing cars to drive.

I was suprised that the V8, and FOX are much easier to handle, less wheel spin and tyres have made that difference.

[mkinnov8]

For sure, I really wouldnt touch them with a long stick before, but now I love em!

[Albieg]

And I just realised you added the apologies before the *edit*, BigDave. This makes me look like a moron for my answer. That's simply wrong, wrong, wrong. The apologies were not there before.

[BigDave2967]

And I just realised you added the apologies before the *edit*, BigDave. This makes me look like a moron for my answer. That's simply wrong, wrong, wrong. The apologies were not there before.

Everyone makes mistakes mate. don't worry about it. I am a decent guy, but I can understand that I have missed the "basics" so I do intend to take that in more consideration in the near future.

[Albieg]

I'm worrying about my words being transformed by your actions, and I'm warning others about you not playing fair, whatever the reason. That's all.

[BigDave2967]

I'm worrying about my words being transformed by your actions, and I'm warning others about you not playing fair, whatever the reason. That's all.

Ok, there could be a misunderstanding here. Which name do you think I am under when I race?

[Albieg]

I don't care about that at all. To be clear I'm referring to the edits, not about the race.

[BigDave2967]

I don't care about that at all. To be clear I'm referring to the edits, not about the race.

In that case, let it go, we both said our views. Why not do some racing, you have only done 15 laps, get some experience under your belt :).

[Albieg]

Why not? Because I tend not to take things that easy, not even online race.

[mike11973]

I have pretty much stopped the oval completely as well for the sake of patience, I just cant do a race when they are wrecking from the speed. It takes a lot of skill (believe it or not) to take these to the oval, much more than the FO8. The racing is closer and much faster. Either way though, I do enjoy these cars on the circuits as it should be much more (newbs or not)...and I'm afraid my oval days are as done as PatchQ. See you around the circuits (Aston most probably! :nod: )

Regards,

SennARaCeR

To the guy who made the comment about how much skill it takes to race at the oval: Try doing something else for a change so you get some perspective. Oh, and "Hahahahahahaha"

Actually RaCeR pretty much only does road courses and is active in the SimFIA so I would say he has a decent amount of perspective.....in both "road courses" as well as "oval" racing so why don't you get some perspective.

[HugeF1]

I love this game, I love racing online with people who realise that I am not always going to win, I love racing peole who respect the fact we ALL make mistakes, and don't have a spaz attack if I spin. Unfortunately I know of only 10 people on the servers who are like this, and they happen to be my mates. Last night I got banned from a server, because I spun a few times. No-one hit me, and there were several people running the WRONG way around the track. (A Ferrari in particular seemed to delight in doing this). Now what was the point in me even
BOTHERING to practice offline, when that happens? I am seriously getting pissed off with the hypocrasy of some people.

[zeugnimod]

Why not? Because I tend not to take things that easy, not even online race.

You should. Its a game. :scratchch

[Albieg]

You should. Its a game. :scratchch

Russian roulette is a game too, but I would take it seriously. Much more than LFS. I'm not into that sort of stuff and I'm obviously taking it to the extreme. I don't judge other people's attitude towards gaming as long as they show some respect for fellow gamers. Someone wanted an answer and I gave it, and that's all. I like people acting responsibly when interacting with other people, and I like to be responsible myself. I try to be that way. Right now hitting the track with some muscled car would not be the right thing for me. As long as I am absent, I am the sole judge. When I'll be present it won't be that way. But at the moment, as a judge, I'm quite heavy handed with myself. That's what I mean by taking things seriously. And I see nothing wrong with it, as long as I don't harass other people.

[BigDave2967]

Russian roulette is a game too, but I would take it seriously. Much more than LFS. I'm not into that sort of stuff and I'm obviously taking it to the extreme. I don't judge other people's attitude towards gaming as long as they show some respect for fellow gamers. Someone wanted an answer and I gave it, and that's all. I like people acting responsibly when interacting with other people, and I like to be responsible myself. I try to be that way. Right now hitting the track with some muscled car would not be the right thing for me. As long as I am absent, I am the sole judge. When I'll be present it won't be that way. But at the moment, as a judge, I'm quite heavy handed with myself. That's what I mean by taking things seriously. And I see nothing wrong with it, as long as I don't harass other people.

If I have offended you, I do apologise on my behalf, but don't you think you have been taking this issue a bit too seriously, especially when you haven't even done more than 15 laps?

[Albieg]

Do you really think you've been correct to me? I took the issue extremely personally because your actions went personal when I explained my point of view and you managed to disrupt the sense of what I wrote by editing a previous post.
Are you apologising or criticising me? Do you really think I've only done 15 laps because I've done 15 online laps on S2 servers? Are you really this naive? Do you really think I can be criticised for my way of using a software because of the way I legally use it? What the hell are you trying to say? My point of view is extremely clear and it's not the first time I say such things. Your actions and your question speak for yourself and are there for all to see. So are my words. If you're this much into a Socratic kind of debate, as you previously stated without mentioning Socrates, why don't you let people decide without trying to say I've done too few laps to take this issue this seriously? That's, at best, laughable. At worst, it's trolling. Stop it.

[BigDave2967]

Do you really think you've been correct to me? I took the issue extremely personally because your actions went personal when I explained my point of view and you managed to disrupt the sense of what I wrote by editing a previous post.

I wasn't being personal mate. I believe you have taken this whole thing out of proportion. Calm down.

[Albieg]

I payed you far more attention than you deserved and I'm not a mate of yours. Over.

[BigDave2967]

I payed you far more attention than you deserved and I'm not a mate of yours. Over.

In that case, go and race online, have some fun! And it's paid, not payed. (just helping, since your English is really good) Don't take everything so serious once in a while, and win a few races.

Have fun.

[rAcEr2418]

Hey Albeig, come on mate, calm down just a tad. I am not gonna say anymore, but let's just take this thread out of our mind.

Isn't that an organisation that has existed for approximately a week, and has so far done nothing? How do you manage to be active in an organisation like that?

Easy, easy, we are completely formatting it now...working on website, forums, getting skins, all the bumps smoothed. Talking to drivers etc...So just be patient on that.


I don't think there's anybody here who races a bigger variety of cars and circuits than I do. As for the oval - it's got three corners, it doesn't take a lot of experience of it to learn what it's all about. Anyway, apparently I mistook your teammate for an amoebic oval hotlapper, so I apologise for that.

NP mate, but yea, i did a few hotlaps, but I raced the oval for fun before because, it really was. It really varies by person so I respect your view, but I really dont find it 1% of what it was. I also have a huge variety. Don't care what type, as long as i like the car, i'll race it. I am really an open-wheel junkie, but I have really taken to the GTR's as well. But I race it all, so again, no problem for mistaking me for that. There are lot's of these Oval "Junkies" that you don't know what to consider me.

[Albieg]

Being used to Italian literature and politics forums and English tech forums where netiquette has different rules I think I'll follow your advice, Racer. I'll calm down and stop posting at the moment. This is not the right place for me.

[rabidmaddog]

Every time I look for servers on which to drive, I only have about 5 or 6 choices which are not empty or full. Last night for example, I found I was the only driver in the BF1. A couple others joined in or switched to the BF1, but then disconnected as they were evidently having difficulty keeping the car on the track. I don't see any servers filled with BF1's in my server list. I have a hard time finding any servers at all with more than 3 or 4 people in them. This is why I spend more time driving against the AI I suppose. It was rather disappointing to be leading a 5 car race, only to win after everyone had left the server.

As far as the BF1 being hard to control, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Sure it's fast and takes some practice, but I can drive laps just fine with reasonably decent times. I feel more confident in the BF1 than any of the other cars. It performs, pure and simple. Sure, I'll make a mistake once in a while, but I don't understand why some people find it so tricky to drive. I don't think I'm any phenomenal driver, so perhaps they have poor quality or poorly configured controllers? I don't know. I think the car is great. I just wish I could find some of these alleged BF1 infested servers so I can race more. Perhaps I’m online at the wrong time for the European crowd and no one here in USA is racing? Could the server filters be malfunctioning? I would happily race with all of the mystical BF1 drivers if I could only find them!

[SamH]

Oops. I think my original post, which I made at the end of a stressy evening of slogging over a hot PC, was probably misunderstood as being directed at you, Dave. It wasn't. I apologise for that. It was more specifically about the elitist stance of many of the posts that followed.

The driving in the two MPRs does show the difference between what was, initially, and what I think we can expect in time. I look forward to the day when the field matures into the BF1. As time passes, more people will get higher up the learning curve and there will be more, very capable drivers, driving the BF1. I really did enjoy watching the style MPR.. lovely!

My principle objection was to the idea of screaming n00b in an abusive way, when the BF1 was SO new to us all. Seeing people shouting "Learn to drive a$$hole!!!" etc, in the first few hours of the patch was a shock for me to see, not JUST in the BF1, but in ALL cars.

It was so inappropriate in fact that it would have been laughable, but for the fact that I saw a good many people, who I KNOW were very capable drivers pre-patch, quite upset at the abuse they were receiving for making fundamental errors. The patch was fundamental, no question about it.

For the 3 hours that our servers were up, following the patch, I spent very little time driving and much more time running between the servers trying to pacify agitated racers.. both those who took straight to the BF1 and those that initially struggled.. and turning vote banning off on each server, because the danger of decent people getting banned was clear and present.

So.. apologies for any misunderstanding.. and unnecessary angst.

[BigDave2967]

It's cool man. No worries about it :D.

[SamH]

I haven't actually devolved Yorkshire into its own independent "democratic" state yet, nor have I declared war on England and threatened to overthrow the monarchy, but I might do at some point and I have thought about it a bit. Not a lot, but still... ;)
I'll be there! My mother brought me up to be a Yorkshire Nationalist ;)

My uncle lives in Barnoldswick. Historically it's a bit of Yorkshire, but thanks to some boundary shifting for political gain, it's been bitten by lancashire. The residents have never... and will never accept this, and have paid for very official-looking "you are now entering historic Yorkshire" signs on all entrances to the village :thumb:

[EDIT] Accidentally capitalised lancashire. Corrected :)

[rAcEr2418]

Sorry - I wasn't trying to be disparaging about your efforts, I just found it an odd "accolade" to be granting someone, given that the organisation was essentially just an idea at the moment. A bit like saying I'm active in the Peoples Republican Army of Kevland - I haven't actually devolved Yorkshire into its own independent "democratic" state yet, nor have I declared war on England and threatened to overthrow the monarchy, but I might do at some point and I have thought about it a bit. Not a lot, but still... ;)

LOL! :D Well, I didnt know about the post until, well, i read it, so the SimFIA is like you said an unjustified accolade. But, LOL!! Peoples Republican Army of Kevland!!!!! Go for it dude!! :thumb:

[Lord Summerisle]

I'll be there! My mother brought me up to be a Yorkshire Nationalist ;)

My uncle lives in Barnoldswick. Historically it's a bit of Yorkshire, but thanks to some boundary shifting for political gain, it's been bitten by lancashire. The residents have never... and will never accept this, and have paid for very official-looking "you are now entering historic Yorkshire" signs on all entrances to the village :thumb:

[EDIT] Accidentally capitalised lancashire. Corrected :)

I'll happily allow Barnoldswick to return to its home county, tho I will only consider it, on the return of our rightful part of Todmorden (West of the river Calder)