IGTC Round 7: Protests and Penalties

[dekojester]

Penalties:
Car 30 - start from end of grid due to late confirmation
Car 28 - start from end of grid due to blocking another car in qualifying
Car 36 - start from end of grid due to incorrect ballast in qualifyng
Car 24 - DT for unsafe driving under SC
Car 28 - DT for unnecessary contact
Car 04 - DT for avoidable incident

Include the following in your protest
• The correct lap
• The cars (/teams) involved
• The lap/sector/time
• And a short description from your point of view.

Protests are due by 23:00 UTC on Monday, 6 September 2010.

[Makao]

The correct lap: Qualifying session - 9th lap of #10
The cars (/teams) involved: #10 and #28
The lap/sector/time: T1
And a short description from your point of view: Blocking car on flying lap during outlap

[rc10racer]

The correct lap: Qualifying session - 9th lap of #10
The cars (/teams) involved: #10 and #28
The lap/sector/time: T1
And a short description from your point of view: Blocking car on flying lap during outlap


#28 goes to the back off the grid for breaking rule F1.1

F 1.1) Drivers on out-laps or in-laps should never interfere with drivers on hotlaps.

[rc10racer]

Start replay (http://www.mercuryracingteam.com/admin/files/IGTC%20Round%206%20Start.rar)

[phoenixIlooka]

The correct lap: 4
The cars (/teams) involved: #28 and #36
The lap/sector/time: last sector, 2nd last turn
And a short description from your point of view: late braking and ramming us out

[SCA-F1]

The correct lap: 9
The cars (/teams) involved: #44 and #31
The lap/sector/time: last sector, final hairpin
And a short description from your point of view: #44 runs off track under SC, then re-passes #31 again under SC conditions.

[Makao]

The correct lap: 11
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #28
The lap/sector/time: last sector, final chicane
And a short description from your point of view: When braking to the corner, car #28 (was on the inside) pushed #36 out of track, causing time loss.

[zEtTlAh]

• The correct lap: 10
• The cars (/teams) 30 vs 27
• The lap/sector/time about 30 Sec Lap time (Eau Rouge)
• #30 Crashed into 27 and we (27) lost all positions... in the Mid of the lap he crashed another time and at the and of the lap he crashed a 3rd time...
We lost all position and have a lot of demage.

[Makao]

The correct lap: 16
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #44
The lap/sector/time: 1st sector, right after T1
And a short description from your point of view: #44 blocked #36 and pushed on the grass.

[Makao]

The correct lap: 29
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #04
The lap/sector/time: 2nd sector, right uphill U turn
And a short description from your point of view: #04 divebombed and caused a collision.

[prOmo_LTU]

The correct lap: 4
The cars (/teams) involved: #28 and #36
The lap/sector/time: last sector, 2nd last turn
And a short description from your point of view: late braking and ramming us out

Warning for #36. In Last hairpin 36 wants to overtake 28 but misses the braking point and goes off the track with incidental contact to 28. 28 continues from this without serious loss of time, but makes contact with #42 on exit, which puts 28 into the wall.

[DeadWolfBones]

• The correct lap: 10
• The cars (/teams) 30 vs 27
• The lap/sector/time about 30 Sec Lap time (Eau Rouge)
• #30 Crashed into 27 and we (27) lost all positions... in the Mid of the lap he crashed another time and at the and of the lap he crashed a 3rd time...
We lost all position and have a lot of demage.

#30 is hit from behind by #24, which pushes him into #27 just before Eau Rouge. The second contact between #30 and #27 was incidental (accordion effect) and hurt only the #30. There was no third contact.

DT to #24 for unsafe driving under the SC.

[Hahmo]

The correct lap: 1st lap according to LFS, before s/f line while green
The cars (/teams) involved: #38 e-team 2 and #02 My3id
The lap/sector/time: 1st lap, s/f straight, 3.20 onwards
And a short description from your point of view: There was a yellow flag shown, crash in front of car #38. He brakes and moves his line a bit when trying to not to crash car infront. Car 02 comes from behind, seeing yellow flag but not braking, crashing us and causing a little damage + position losses.

[DeadWolfBones]

The correct lap: 9
The cars (/teams) involved: #44 and #31
The lap/sector/time: last sector, final hairpin
And a short description from your point of view: #44 runs off track under SC, then re-passes #31 again under SC conditions.

#44 uses the asphalt outside the final hairpin to scrub his tires, #31 opportunistically tries to pass. No penalty.

[DeadWolfBones]

The correct lap: 11
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #28
The lap/sector/time: last sector, final chicane
And a short description from your point of view: When braking to the corner, car #28 (was on the inside) pushed #36 out of track, causing time loss.

#28 fails to give #36 enough room, pushes #36 off the track. DT to #28 for unnecessary contact.

[Makao]

The correct lap: 46
The cars (/teams) involved: #37 and #10
The lap/sector/time: last sector, long straight right after 2nd split
And a short description from your point of view: #37 caused an avoidable accident on straight.

[r4ptor]

The correct lap: 16
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #44
The lap/sector/time: 1st sector, right after T1
And a short description from your point of view: #44 blocked #36 and pushed on the grass.

#44 kept his line and didn't block or push. The #36 driver simply put himself in bad situation. No penalty.

[rc10racer]

The correct lap: 29
The cars (/teams) involved: #36 and #04
The lap/sector/time: 2nd sector, right uphill U turn
And a short description from your point of view: #04 divebombed and caused a collision.

#04 braked to late and locked the rear up underbraking, DT for an voidable incident.

[CSF]

The correct lap: 74 on wards
The cars (/teams) involved: #31 and #33
The lap/sector/time: Saidl makes no effort to move out of the way of any of the leaders and just stays in front of 31 for over a lap, leading to 31 losing out to 2.

[rc10racer]

The correct lap: 74 on wards
The cars (/teams) involved: #31 and #33
The lap/sector/time: Saidl makes no effort to move out of the way of any of the leaders and just stays in front of 31 for over a lap, leading to 31 losing out to 2.

Warning to #33 for breaking rule I 1.1

[rc10racer]

At least do the protests in order:schwitz:

We are having problems with the replays, admins are timing out or mpredit is not working properly so we only look at certain protests, me and deko are the only ones who have a decent mpr to work with and mpredit is not working for either of us.

[M Ekström]

Include the following in your protest
• The correct lap: 87 (88)
• The cars (/teams) involved #27 & #36
• The lap/sector/time ~3h34min race time, 1st sector, eau rouge.
• And a short description from your point of view.

- #36 tries to overtake in eau rouge; contact, we (#27) lost position.
- 1 lap after that, #36 tries to overtake on the outline at exit of turn 1, comes on grass and hits our side to overtake us.

[rc10racer]

Include the following in your protest
• The correct lap: 87 (88)
• The cars (/teams) involved #27 & #36
• The lap/sector/time ~3h34min race time, 1st sector, eau rouge.
• And a short description from your point of view.

- #36 tries to overtake in eau rouge; contact, we (#27) lost position.
- 1 lap after that, #36 tries to overtake on the outline at exit of turn 1, comes on grass and hits our side to overtake us.

Both parts of the replay are racing incidents, Protests denied.

[baSh0r]

• Lap: 95 / Laps 87 from M. Krönke (05)
• The cars (/teams) involved #05 against 43
• The lap/sector/time 4:09h to go,

Coming up to last turn JPeace from Team #43 hits us, almost spins us complete roundly, then hits us again + another team on the straight almost completely wrecking us -> Caused damage on both sides + Damage repair on pitstop. This was absolutely avoidable because the car was lapped and he cost us 2 places + 10seconds.

[rc10racer]

The correct lap: 60
The cars (/teams) involved: #31 and #45
The lap/sector/time: out of final chicane on pit-straight , #31 is in the draft, car #45 brake tests

#45 brakes on the main straight when #31 is coming up behind him, Warning to #45

[Seb66]

#45 brakes on the main straight when #31 is coming up behind him, Warning to #45

Warning for a break test? When people have break tested in other leagues, its been a straight DQ.
I'll make sure I'll whip that one out when there is faster car behind me.

[torpp1s]

The correct lap: 98
The cars (/teams) involved: #37 and #30
The lap/sector/time: 2nd sector, after straight
And a short description from your point of view: #30 crashed me while blue flagged and I lost many positions

[rc10racer]

• Lap: 95 / Laps 87 from M. Krönke (05)
• The cars (/teams) involved #05 against 43
• The lap/sector/time 4:09h to go,

Coming up to last turn JPeace from Team #43 hits us, almost spins us complete roundly, then hits us again + another team on the straight almost completely wrecking us -> Caused damage on both sides + Damage repair on pitstop. This was absolutely avoidable because the car was lapped and he cost us 2 places + 10seconds.

Underbraking for the last corner #43 locks up his front tires resulting him sending #05 into spin, DT for #43 breaking rule H1.

[Dmt]

• The correct lap : 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : long right hander in s2

• #10 likes to use others to have nice corner, clearly visible that he did not give me room.

[rc10racer]

• The correct lap : 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : long right hander in s2

• #10 likes to use others to have nice corner, clearly visible that he did not give me room.

Racing incident, protest denied.

[GuRu_PL]

• The correct lap : 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : long right hander in s2

• #10 likes to use others to have nice corner, clearly visible that he did not give me room.




If u make a protest, ok. I also wanted to make a protest, 1 situation described by Dmt:
• The correct lap : 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : long right hander in s2

• #45 almost hit me before that "~120kph corner" (after long right straight) and caused a demage in my car at the exit of that corner because of too close drive. On f10 it doesnt looks very serious but i had almost next 30 min burned front tyres because of understeer (result of our contact) normaly i was using 120 rear arb at the start of the stint, after that contact i had to use 155 rear arb and i was still burning my front tires...



second situation:
• The correct lap : (Propably) 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : before 1st chicane before 1st split

#45 wanted to make a pass and almost pushed me out the road.

[rc10racer]

The correct lap: 98
The cars (/teams) involved: #37 and #30
The lap/sector/time: 2nd sector, after straight
And a short description from your point of view: #30 crashed me while blue flagged and I lost many positions

#37 moved over into #30 racing line sending them both into the barrier, No penalty.

[rc10racer]

If u make a protest, ok. I also wanted to make a protest, 1 situation described by Dmt:
• The correct lap : 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : long right hander in s2

• #45 almost hit me before that "~120kph corner" (after long right straight) and caused a demage in my car at the exit of that corner because of too close drive. On f10 it doesnt looks very serious but i had almost next 30 min burned front tyres because of understeer (result of our contact) normaly i was using 120 rear arb at the start of the stint, after that contact i had to use 155 rear arb and i was still burning my front tires...

Racing incident, Protest denied.

second situation:
• The correct lap : (Propably) 91
• The cars (/teams) involved : #45 and #10
• The lap/sector/time : before 1st chicane before 1st split

#45 wanted to make a pass and almost pushed me out the road.

Racing incident, Protest denied.

[Commander]

• The correct lap : 138
• The cars (/teams) involved : #05and #44
• The lap/sector/time : End of s/f straight

According to Marius, Niki gave a little love tap to his car sending him into the (almost always deadly) graveltrap. Luckily car 05 was able to get out but considerable time was lost.

[boothy]

• The correct lap : 138
• The cars (/teams) involved : #05and #44
• The lap/sector/time : End of s/f straight

According to Marius, Niki gave a little love tap to his car sending him into the (almost always deadly) graveltrap. Luckily car 05 was able to get out but considerable time was lost.

Incident at 146 lead lap/5:51:50
Cars 05, 44 and 11 are 3 wide going into turn 1. Car 11 moves left into the middle of the track when there was already 2 cars there; DT for an avoidable incident.

[TURBO3000]

Incident at 146 lead lap/5:51:50
Cars 05, 44 and 11 are 3 wide going into turn 1. Car 11 moves left into the middle of the track when there was already 2 cars there; DT for an avoidable incident.


Completely wrong decision, i was just in front

[Bean0]

Lap: 165
Cars: 17, 44
Sector: 2 or 3

Niki retakes position lost by spinning under SC.

[boothy]

Lap: 165
Cars: 17, 44
Sector: 2 or 3

Niki retakes position lost by spinning under SC.

DT car 44 for overtaking under SC.

[N I K I]

Lap: 165
Cars: 17, 44
Sector: 2 or 3


troy overtakes me on what it looked to him like a spin, but it deferentially wasn't as you on the replay can see I was fully on track.

[zEtTlAh]

• The correct lap: 177
• The cars (/teams) involved: 36:
• The lap/sector/time: ca. 7:16 at the main straigt
• And a short description from your point of view.

36 forced 27 into the gras on the straight !!!!

[boothy]

Lap: 165
Cars: 17, 44
Sector: 2 or 3


troy overtakes me on what it looked to him like a spin, but it deferentially wasn't as you on the replay can see I was fully on track.


Protest denied, car 17 took avoiding action, waited for car 44 and then did the correct thing in closing the gap to the car ahead rather than unduly holding up the SC queue.

[rc10racer]

Lap: 165
Cars: 17, 44
Sector: 2 or 3


troy overtakes me on what it looked to him like a spin, but it deferentially wasn't as you on the replay can see I was fully on track.


#17 goes by after you lose control when warming up your tyres, Protest denied.

On a series note stop being an idiot niki because you screwed up and got a dt, i expect this type of behavior from other league drivers.

[rc10racer]

• The correct lap: 177
• The cars (/teams) involved: 36:
• The lap/sector/time: ca. 7:16 at the main straigt
• And a short description from your point of view.

36 forced 27 into the gras on the straight !!!!

Warning to #36 for avoidable contact.

[zEtTlAh]

FORCED RAMMIG is a WARNIG ? Thats not the possible ? Are you sure ?!

That was 100% Forced !!!! --> DQ !!!!!!!!!

[troy]

Lap: 183 and 184
Cars: 17, 37
Sector: 3 (last chicane)

Kööts tries the same move twice, once against us in lap 183 and on lap 184 against car 45, both times it ends bad for us and concludes our chances of a top 5 finish. There is just no space for 2 cars there, he should've noticed that after the first accident.

[rc10racer]

Protests from now (includes the post above) to the end of the race will be looked when Jennifer Ellison shows her boobs for the first time.

[N I K I]

#17 goes by after you lose control when warming up your tyres, Protest denied.

On a series note stop being an idiot niki because you screwed up and got a dt, i expect this type of behavior from other league drivers.
Fair enough. I respect the decision.

[DaveWS]

Lap: Last lap
Cars: 02 and 04
Sector: 3

02 gets in the draft of 04, and approaching the hairpin, 04 moves from side to side violently just before 02 has overlap, forcing 02 to avoid suddenly, then as 02 is alongside, 04 makes contact with 02 who is as far left as possible, causing them to run into the grass just before entering the hairpin braking zone. To summarize 04 changes lines several times while trying to block 02.

Replay: http://localhostr.com/files/d2bdc1/Finale.mpr (cut version)

[TURBO3000]

What is this for a kind of push-up job here? we get a DT for a complain of an incident of cars 5 and 44 in lap 138
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1480680#post1480680)
• The correct lap : 138
• The cars (/teams) involved : #05and #44
• The lap/sector/time : End of s/f straight

According to Marius, Niki gave a little love tap to his car sending him into the (almost always deadly) graveltrap. Luckily car 05 was able to get out but considerable time was lost.

Incident at 146 lead lap/5:51:50
Cars 05, 44 and 11 are 3 wide going into turn 1. Car 11 moves left into the middle of the track when there was already 2 cars there; DT for an avoidable incident.

[boothy]

The contact between cars 44 and 05 was caused by #11, watch the replay if you don't believe me. Inferno obviously protested this without having seen the replay, so assumed #44 hit them, when in fact they got help from #11 - obviously you were not "just in front" if you turned left and hit them. End of story.

[VTiRacing]

Lap: 183 and 184
Cars: 17, 37
Sector: 3 (last chicane)

Kööts tries the same move twice, once against us in lap 183 and on lap 184 against car 45, both times it ends bad for us and concludes our chances of a top 5 finish. There is just no space for 2 cars there, he should've noticed that after the first accident.

Ye, it was my fault, i was just so tired after three and half hour racing that i didnt noticed nothing.. Sorry Concept Racing. :(

[phoenixIlooka]

Warning to #36 for avoidable contact.

LOL?!

Why #36 gets multiple "WARNINGS" für contacts?!
They also got a warning for late-braking and crashing us in lap 4.

Just give them a penalty..

[rc10racer]

LOL?!

Why #36 gehts multiple "WARNINGS" für contacts?!
They also got a warning for late-braking and crashing us in lap 4.

Just give them a penalty..

Thanks for pointing this out but there is nothing in the rules about giving out penalty's for certain amount of warnings, i will talk to other admins about it and it will be correct in the rules for next season.

[boothy]

The correct lap: 98
The cars (/teams) involved: #37 and #30
The lap/sector/time: 2nd sector, after straight
And a short description from your point of view: #30 crashed me while blue flagged and I lost many positions
This was ruled as no penalty in race with car #37 being at fault. The correct penalty according to rule I4 is a Stop-go penalty, converted to 45s as it is being applied after-race.

• The correct lap: 177
• The cars (/teams) involved: 36:
• The lap/sector/time: ca. 7:16 at the main straigt
• And a short description from your point of view.

36 forced 27 into the gras on the straight !!!!
This, along with the warning for a previous incident, earns #36 a Drive-through penalty, converted to 30s as it is being applied after-race.

Lap: 183 and 184
Cars: 17, 37
Sector: 3 (last chicane)

Kööts tries the same move twice, once against us in lap 183 and on lap 184 against car 45, both times it ends bad for us and concludes our chances of a top 5 finish. There is just no space for 2 cars there, he should've noticed that after the first accident.
Racing incident, no penalty. Lap 183 #17 goes through the tyres at the chicane and #37 cannot avoid tapping them. Lap 184 cannot be protested as it did not directly involved #17 – although there would be no penalty anyway as #37 had spun, and #17 couldn’t avoid their stopped car slightly on the track.

Lap: Last lap
Cars: 02 and 04
Sector: 3

02 gets in the draft of 04, and approaching the hairpin, 04 moves from side to side violently just before 02 has overlap, forcing 02 to avoid suddenly, then as 02 is alongside, 04 makes contact with 02 who is as far left as possible, causing them to run into the grass just before entering the hairpin braking zone. To summarize 04 changes lines several times while trying to block 02.

Replay: http://localhostr.com/files/d2bdc1/Finale.mpr (cut version)
#04 does not break rule H2; #04 leaves the bare minimum room to the outside for #02 to go into, and coupled with a bit of lag, causes the (small) collision. At this point both cars are still on the track unharmed, and the collision does not cause #02 to brake late for the hairpin. We feel that no penalty is justified.


In addition to the above protests:
#02 is given a C1 penalty for the race start incident that was protested.
#05 are docked the 154 laps completed after they manually disconnected.
#14 is given an extra 1 lap penalty and a C3 penalty for intentionally disconnecting.