Season 2011: Pre-Season Discussion

[dekojester]

Before I begin, please keep in mind that these are not final decision, but are working thoughts at a preliminary stage of season planning.

I've already got some questions about the next season, so I guess I'll give a go through some now.

Restrictions: Without a new patch, likely to stay the same.

Driver Eligibility: This is what most have asked me about. I cannot say for sure yet what will eliminate you, apart from being a part of a multiple-winning MoE or IGTC team. It seems to me that on the whole, the level of competition in this current season is not as it has been in the past, which is not a discredit to the teams involved, but just a natural trend of any series and the sim at the moment. It is likely that more weight will be placed on participation in the 2008 and 2009 season over 2010. 2007 IGTC will no longer be considered. All MoE seasons will still come into consideration.

The decisions this season may be based on Quality of the performance in IGTC / MoE instead of quantity. We'll do this by comparing you to your teammates, and you to other drivers in your class.

Schedule: Will remain a 7-round schedule, and keep the four 3-hour races, two 6-hour races and one 12-hour race. KY3 with boothy chicane will likely stay, but most other tracks will either rotate to a reversed direction or to another combo. I am likely to schedule in, apart from KY3B, BL1, SO4, WE1R, FE4, and KY2R. Aston will either be AS7, AS7R, AS5 or AS5R.

Rules: The rules I expect will stay largely the same. The only major change I could see so far is with regards to the wave-around. It will either stay as it is, or be amended to simply sort lead lap cars to the front of the queue instead of waving around lapped cars. It may also be eliminated.

The minimum laps of an SC deployment will be scrapped, so as not to be bound by a minimum which may not be needed if everything is taken care of promptly.

Any comments, questions or suggestions are of course welcomed. But I thought I'd let you know some things now.

I'm expecting to start taking applications around September, for a mid October start or so.

[J@tko]

WE1R
:grumpy:

[dekojester]

:grumpy:

What, you want the low-downforce WE1 ? :D

[J@tko]

What, you want the low-downforce WE1 ? :D
:rofl:

[SCA-F1]

And yes, we do bother you about GTAL -> IGTC son, because it's better.

KY3B and SO4 are nice too, AS7 FTW! :D

[manneF1]

AS7 FTW!

I would prefier AS7r more Father

BL1, So4 and FE4 are lush!

[prOmo_LTU]

Yea,i'm really looking forward to this seasson too :P

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Good news to hear some plans going on so early!:thumbsup:

About the restrictions::thumbsup:. No real need to change them I guess, they're about to be fine. Less restriction for the XRR could have been considered though, in terms of pace it's as fast or perhaps faster than the FZR, but it is a) hard to drive if you don't have much experience with it(this is supposed(*cough*) to be an "amateur" league after all!), and b) likely to get stuck in case of a small trip in a gravel trap. But meh, that's quite a detail in the end I guess.

About the driver egibility: please bear in mind that some people got in the IGTC in end-2009 without really having the pace, just because of the mid-season interrest drop. In the end I guess you'll still find a good enough system fair for everyone, I do not worry about that.

Considering the track selection, I'd rather see Aston as a crowded track, with AS3/R+AS7/R instead of Kyoto with KY3B+KY2/R. But of course this isn't based on anything apart from my likings, as KY2/R has proved to be a fine track for endurance in the past. The rest is fine I guess. BL1, SO4, mk, would have prefered their reverse though:D WE1R is fine. KY3B is a must, and should be driven in the next 20 seasons!:thumb: FE4, okay, you might consider putting a layout on the green chicane to prevent people from rolling over those buggy tyres anyway. Something like the pik_d chicane used in the SSL final round I belive - or an improved version rather, so people standing behind another car won't get a blatant advantage any time the car in front goes a bit too far on the inside and remove a few tyres.

SC rules: +1 for the suppression of the wave around rule IMO. It just removes any endurance aspect in the race if there's a lot of SC - like we had at fe3 last season.

Anyway, looking forward this season once again... I guess my average pace will still allow me to jump in for the 3rd time in a row!:thumb:

[RudolfR]

I´m looking forward to this season also. Want to get 3rd win for E-team! :D

[Deutschland2007]

Sounds nice! o/

[CSF]

Yes but Cattle you have proved time and time again you don't understand anything so your opinion counts for very little. :razz:

[CSF]

AS7 and last round of LFSCART son. "I'm going to be super fast and I'm always consistent." HA!

[Drift King CZ]

Jabadabadoeeee!

[Timo1992]

Bah AS7 , please every Aston track but not AS7, then rather take AS5 or AS6r, much better.

So I have to understand now that I wont be able to drive, because of MoE 2010 24h race, 6h AS4r and 6h KY2 + IGTC Round 3 AS7?

If yes, dont count what i said before about the track choice.

[Hahmo]

looking forward to dizz :thumb:

[SCA-F1]

Deko already said he is unsure on the selection process as of yet. Of course, people with MoE races, or even IGTC races previously will be brought into question, but too many who're not allowed, and the races won't be full gridded, too lenient, and this won't be an amateur league. I think so long as you've done nothing spectacular, you're fine IMO, but, we'll see.

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Not if you don't have Tøastgaard! :razz:

Bah, hopefully we can challenge you again even though we've lost Seb. :really:

EDIT: Agree on the XRR, it's quite an inconvenient package for this league, and 24% seems a bit much IMO, but I also think FXR restriction is too high, we saw how crap that car was at every race. :p

I think GraVt proved that it wasn't that bad, just put a good driver in it :smileypul

[Seb66]

Somebody who has competed in a full season of MoE or IGTC shouldn't be allowed in the series, or something along these lines, but then there are ways around this rule ie. some drivers may have done a whole season - and then not done one round, which means that they have in fact not completed a whole season. This shouldn't be used as a rule, but I am just thinking allowed to help you overcome this tricky part of the rulebook.

Does this mean I can still race:tilt:?
If not, I'll Safety car:shy:?

[SCA-F1]

Yes I fully agree and understand the situation - Its hard to exactly clarify and keep this an Amateur League and at the same time keep a decent number of drivers and teams on the grid. But I definatly agree that if you havn't acheived anything spectacular then you are fine. But then you need to define what Spectacular will mean, to me I think that is helping to acheive a top 5 or something like this in MoE or IGTC. But It's up to Deko and I will respect any rules he makes and comply by them as fully as possible.

On a second note - it's great to see another season of GTAL commencing and I cannot wait for it to start, expect to see me on the grid next year for sure! :)

Exactly, spectacular is rather ambiguous, which is why it's probably better to stick to giving statistics, it may be unfair, and might not reflect true results, but it's a much easier and less contradictory selection process IMO.

I think GraVt proved that it wasn't that bad, just put a good driver in it :smileypul

Mmm, true, forgot about GraVt. :razz: At least you seem to agree on XRR though. :D I just think FXR is too problematic and not a very good overall package, it's also quite frustrating to drive, but other drivers may see it differently.

And Seb, MoE winner is a no-no son. :razz:

[Timo1992]

:nod:

Ok I think then I can race and you can be sure that I am not an experienced driver :D

[Bmxtwins]

Time to start training! I'll need it.

[manneF1]

What about the wind? :D

[prOmo_LTU]

What about the wind? :D

Tornado every round. :really:

[CSF]

To clarify, if you still looked a bit shit in ONE or TWO stints you did during an MoE race we will look at giving you entry just like we did last year. If you drove IGTC 2010 I think that it's unlikely we will do very much, as let's be honest the standard is less than in previous seasons.


Sorry Seb you are out. :razz:

[PMD9409]

Restrictions were fine at 20/23/24.

Oh, and AS7 blows. :razz:

[CSF]

Hence why it will be AS7r. :D

[PMD9409]

Hence why it will be AS7r. :D

:thumb:

[N!ghtm@re]

I think you should keep So4R because it was the only track the FXR had a real advantage overthe FZR.......
compared to that, there are so many tracks with an adveante of the FZR.

[Seb66]

If you drove IGTC 2010 I think that it's unlikely we will do very much, as let's be honest the standard is less than in previous seasons.

If as a whole the standard is worse, and you are driving in IGTC, shouldn't that still class you as an advanced driver? Unless your personal standard is worse compared to the other drivers in the race/ your team? At the end of the day IGTC is an advanced league, and just because the field is a bit weaker shouldn't see people getting past the 'Advanced driver rule' :shy:

[CSF]

No Seb, IGTC in the past may have been a stronger field, but if you look at it this season very few of the 'grandee' teams and drivers have taken part, thus judging it alongside 2008/2009 is rather misleading. It's rather like MoE in 10/11 is probably not going to have the same field as it did in the past, and quite honestly won't be the same.

Edit: Infact to get my point across a certain team that was thrown out of GTAL is driving in IGTC with pretty much the same drivers and is still causing carnage...

[Wilko868]

Not if you don't have Tøastgaard! :razz:

Bah, hopefully we can challenge you again even though we've lost Seb. :really:

EDIT: Agree on the XRR, it's quite an inconvenient package for this league, and 24% seems a bit much IMO, but I also think FXR restriction is too high, we saw how crap that car was at every race. :p
You now have a Wilko to balance that out though :D
SR are going to come last, without any question or shadow of doubt, all because of me.

[Seb66]

No Seb, IGTC in the past may have been a stronger field, but if you look at it this season very few of the 'grandee' teams and drivers have taken part, thus judging it alongside 2008/2009 is rather misleading. It's rather like MoE in 10/11 is probably not going to have the same field as it did in the past, and quite honestly won't be the same.

Edit: Infact to get my point across a certain team that was thrown out of GTAL is driving in IGTC with pretty much the same drivers and is still causing carnage...

Fair point, I can picture it all too well now:schwitz:

[Drift King CZ]

Hmm. The problems with XRRs are...
- Most teams don't drive them, rather prefer FZR so it looks like the XRR can never win.
- Seems like it gets damaged more than FZR after hitting an object or a wall.
- Gets stucked easier than FZR.
- Turbo lag -> lame at tracks with hairpins, slow, narrow tracks etc. The schedule is of course made to be balanced with both cars, but for example I think that the long Aston we have had was supposed to be XRR track, but due to the terrible wind, it was just terrible... maybe it's about the setup too, mhm, but meh. I think when the wind has wrong direction, it hurts XRR more than FZR... you have turbo lag and then you have wind behind you which pushes you to slide even more and hit the wall on outside of the turn. On the other side, it seems like the wind at BL1R helped more to XRRs.

[z-ro 8]

AS2, and do it on a full moon so everyone's already fired up. :D

[dekojester]

AS2, and do it on a full moon so everyone's already fired up. :D

Actually, there was a full moon on June 26, 2010. :x So hmmm. :D

[xtraction]

woot to deko :nod:

[J@tko]

Actually, there was a full moon on June 26, 2010. :x So hmmm. :D
I got 6th place in an iTCC race on a full moon - it makes strange things happen :P

[TexasLTU]

My winkie was bigger by 25% on full moon. It makes me think strange things. :razz:

[Tomhah]

I think the restrictions are fine. There wasnt many fast teams that drove the XRR. And imo, its easier to drive XRR than FZR, at least in GT1 that is :P Havent tried XR2 yet, but I expect it to be the same imo at least. But I guess that differs from person to person.

[PMD9409]

I think the restrictions are fine. There wasnt many fast teams that drove the XRR. And imo, its easier to drive XRR than FZR, at least in GT1 that is :P Havent tried XR2 yet, but I expect it to be the same imo at least. But I guess that differs from person to person.

All about setup.

And GTFO, you shouldn't be in this! :razz:

[pik_d]

Schedule: AS5 or AS5R.


AS5R or AS6R I think you mean, and either of these two tracks would be quite challenging with the top speed -> 1st gear turn just before the hairpin around 2/3rds of the way through.

[Tomhah]

All about setup.

And GTFO, you shouldn't be in this! :razz:
Sorry, just wanted to see if something new has happend. I'll gtfo.

[kiste]

In my opinion the restrictions are fine.
Like Tommy said, mostly no one here were driving the XRR GT2. But i think it is easier to drive. But like the most in our team i think many otherteams have the same problem that the most who driv FZR in GT1 they drive it in GT2 too.

Last year K O Keefe were the fastest XRR and beat the most FZR´s. So is it really that slow as the most say? MoE last Season an XRR were 3rd in the overallstandings in GT2. They had 24%+10kg. And for them it was they first ever Enduranceleague. But also there it was the only XRR because the most teams thought FZR is still better.
Sure it has a little advantage but if you give XRR23% you´ll see the same as last year before the season. There it was with 23% and the XRR were fast as hell.

In my opinion it is still only the setup and almost the driver. And who said it is an amateur league. hmm Yes it should be but if you´ll drive the xrr over the season you get experience and normally you´re a bit faster after the season.

[MoMo92i]

XRR is almost as fats as FZR but there are more FZ2 set than XR2 (but if we visit some new track, it's not such a huge problem). ANother thing, sometime FZ2 can't do 1h30 a stint whereas XR2 can so maybe FZ2 is faster for 1 lap are better with tyres, but XR2 is more reliable ! And as we saw in MoE with City liga, it can be on the top !

E-Team gonna be there ;)

[theodinho29]

I can drive for the next season ?

[hyntty]

Guys you've missread the title. It is not "unite your split up team here."

[Bmxtwins]

Lower FXR restriction :razz:

[manneF1]

Lower FXR restriction :razz:

This was talked last year, FXR haves 23% restriction, cause its easier to drive than XRR and FZR. +1 for that tho that XRR have 23%, than not 24% :shrug::tilt:

[boothy]

Lower FXR restriction :razz:

You could drive with 10% and you still wouldn't beat the FZRs.

[Drift King CZ]

Maybe the restrictions could be +-1% on some tracks to make it more balanced, but that might be a bit weird.

[manneF1]

Hmm, there would be somekind rule, that if you finish in top5 in the race, you will get kg ballast to next race. Like this

1st place: 20kg to next race
2nd place: 15kg to next race
3rd place: 12kg to next race
4th place: 9kg to next race
5th place: 6kg to next race

This worked pretty well in iTCC, of course the races are much longer, but I would except it would work well :)

[oscarhardwick]

Like it Osku, but i think GTAL is a league where it is the pure pace of each team which should be displayed and thus i dont think that ballast is too fitting here, bar that all sounds good, dont change the restrictions, they were great last season.

Oscar.

p.s - looking forward to racing this one.

[kart-36]

Hmm, there would be somekind rule, that if you finish in top5 in the race, you will get kg ballast to next race. Like this

1st place: 20kg to next race
2nd place: 15kg to next race
3rd place: 12kg to next race
4th place: 9kg to next race
5th place: 6kg to next race

This worked pretty well in iTCC, of course the races are much longer, but I would except it would work well :)

Bad idea, those Kg's dont half kill your times :| And also your tyres :(

[pacesetter]

Bad idea, those Kg's dont half kill your times :| And also your tyres :(

I was thinking that..

[kart-36]

Will there be wind again? :Looking_a

[N!ghtm@re]

There HAS to be wind again :)

[kart-36]

There HAS to be wind again :)

Nah that wind was terrible :|

[CSF]

What was it Boothy said about you yesterday Simon? "Speaking so much shite recently it's hard to tell your arse from your mouth" :razz:

[Seb66]

No thanks for ballast, this isn't BTCC son :|. What would be the point of using it?
Oh and yes, wind again! But this time high wind on one round at least :D

[PMD9409]

Hurricanes every round and call me an amateur please. :D

[jrd.racer]

No wind, but please put on the rain.

[Tomhah]

and night? and snow? :D

[TexasLTU]

I was thinking of absolute-zero (-289) temperature simulation on tyres, just think - they would never overheat!

[Drift King CZ]

Driver Eligibility: This is what most have asked me about. I cannot say for sure yet what will eliminate you, apart from being a part of a multiple-winning MoE or IGTC team. It seems to me that on the whole, the level of competition in this current season is not as it has been in the past, which is not a discredit to the teams involved, but just a natural trend of any series and the sim at the moment. It is likely that more weight will be placed on participation in the 2008 and 2009 season over 2010. 2007 IGTC will no longer be considered. All MoE seasons will still come into consideration.

The decisions this season may be based on Quality of the performance in IGTC / MoE instead of quantity. We'll do this by comparing you to your teammates, and you to other drivers in your class.
IMO basically people should be then also considered individually. I mean, if someone did MoE but he/she seems to be slower or approximately on same pace as the top drivers in GTAL, why shouldn't he/she be allowed to drive? Or just scrap that "Amateur" word and do pure GT2 endurance league.

[boothy]

Thanks for the post son. Did you think everyone who has done MoE/IGTC in the past is banned or something?

[Drift King CZ]

Remember Fuse5 case son?

[boothy]

You just proved my point, each person is considered individually. And IIRC EER pulled out before there was a decision.

[Drift King CZ]

Ok. Well all I was said back then was that he wasn't allowed :x which isn't true k.

[CSF]

Thanks for the post son. Did you think everyone who has done MoE/IGTC in the past is banned or something?

Should be. :really:

[boothy]

http://forum.batracer.com/$1N//-s?38&&&.gif

[CSF]

Indeed son, you are out. I r in. :thumb:

[Sir moi 407]

Hope I'll be motivated enough to really help E-Team this time... We'll see :)

[theodinho29]

News ? :)

[hyntty]

Yes as a matter a fact there are some news:

- The new season 2012 will be from june to august (orthodox calendar.)
- New car class: GTi (XFG and XRG with 17% intake restriction). In other words GTAL will become multiclass. If the new class is popular enough we might even run 2 servers with one solely for GTi.
- New balancing: We feel that the FZR was in a too big disadvantage last season, so we've decided to drop it completely. The XRR will most likely remain at 25% and FXR with 20%. However we're pondering about creating a new set of restrictions, to include XFR and UFR as well.
- Because the majority of drivers last season weren't European, we've decided to amend the start times to be afternoon EST. To reduce lag caused by our servers being in England, we've booked a dedicated box from a datacenter in Novaya Zemlya, Russia. This is convinient to us because in Russia bills pay you.
- We plan on resurrecting the compulsory entry fee system. Large portion of the entry fees will go to helping administrational dehydration.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

- We plan on resurrecting the compulsory entry fee system. Large portion of the entry fees will go to helping administrational dehydration.

And to help deko to afford his sandwiches eh?

Anyway Timo you disappoint me. I was expecting to have the mighty UF0.5 class(UF1+50% restriction) coming in 2012.

[prOmo_LTU]

Bad news...i'v also hoped for some Rallycross tracks added to GTAL sheduel... :/

[Drift King CZ]

Can I drive if it's 21% restricted FZR or 25% restricted XRR? :D oh wait, thats maybe too much... some ballast would be enough :thumb:

[Bmxtwins]

Can't wait for series to start :thumb:. LLM will put hours of practice in for this.

[SCA-F1]

LLM are driving? **** sake....

Deko, polish the hammer.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Because one car classes actually count?:scratchch

[zippytheone]

LLM are driving? **** sake....

Deko, polish the hammer.
Goc plan to as well so watch out. I might have to take you out or summat :smileypul

[TexasLTU]

Server in Novaya Zemlya?
:confused:

[AstroBoy]

At least it will be multi-class now.

OH NO HE DIDINT!!! i lol'd :D

Btw were the other stuff on the page before serious or not cause it sounded fair good imo

[Bmxtwins]

LLM are driving? **** sake....

Yes have a problem with that?

[SCA-F1]

Yes I do actually, because having took part in one of your leagues, and saw your and your silly brothers attitude to other leagues, I know that you'll just cause mayhem if things don't go the right way for you, and people are really looking forward to this coming season.

[Bmxtwins]

Yes I do actually, because having took part in one of your leagues, and saw your and your silly brothers attitude to other leagues, I know that you'll just cause mayhem if things don't go the right way for you, and people are really looking forward to this coming season.

Simon, I will not even be driving, others will be in the cockpit probably. So you can gfy if you don't like the fact that we will be submitting an aplication, and hopefully deko will see our improvement from last races (MiniFBM etc.) and accept it.

[CSF]

Mini FBM (R4/R3?) means nothing to GTR racing.

[Seb66]

Simon, I will not even be driving, others will be in the cockpit probably. So you can gfy if you don't like the fact that we will be submitting an aplication, and hopefully deko will see our improvement from last races (MiniFBM etc.) and accept it.

as long as you gtfo out the way when being lapped and dont pull a smoking team its all cool.

[Hahmo]

dont pull a smoking team its all cool.

:d:d:d

[GreyBull [CHA]]

What has Smoking Team done?

[Iginla]

;1481089']What has Smoking Team done?
Was noobing on yesterdays IGTC's race.

[Bmxtwins]

Mini FBM (R4/R3?) means nothing to GTR racing.

r2 r1 :shrug:

[CSF]

One was on R4/R3. And has now just been DQ'd from round 2 for being 15-20s off the pace and taking the leader out. Yup I see this improvement. :nod::thumb:

[Seb66]

;1481089']What has Smoking Team done?

Making it very hard to lap them while there was a 3 way battle for the lead:schwitz:

[StableX]

Reduce the restriction in the FXR please... thanks!!!!

[Deutschland2007]

Reduce the restriction in the FXR please... thanks!!!!

To be honest, I think the FXR could be quick over the whole season, I mean, 7Karat were championship contenders up until the last round. And them running off the road there wasn't the cars fault. ;)

[Bmxtwins]

To be honest, I think the FXR could be quick over the whole season, I mean, 7Karat were championship contenders up until the last round. And them running off the road there wasn't the cars fault. ;)
Only because they were consistent, they didnt finish great.

[CSF]

Choose FXR and you should know it will be slowest. Simples.

[PMD9409]

Allow me to drive FXR please, thank you in advance.

[hyntty]

Allow me to drive FXR please, thank you in advance.

... you didn't have to even ask! Ofc we'll let you be safety car :thumb:

For the entire season!

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Choose FXR and you should know it will be slowest. Simples.

:thumbsup: Drove the FXR the last 2 seasons, this is a fact you have to keep in mind. It leaves you a chance to win only at Fern Bay or South City(and you need to be a 4WD alien nevertheless), but if you have a look at the 2010 season, the championship was played on consistance, not on sheer pace. Being on FXR means you will never get beached on the sand, and means you can almost always save it if you get sideways/get in contact with someone else. This can be a huge advantage in a fight for a good championship position, although it remains clear that winning the championship on FXR is way more difficult than doing so in FZR/XRR.

On another note, I just wanted to point out a small and pointless detail. What about restricting name changes during the season? I can understand one name change in the season, okay, might happen in case of special events. But twice in the season? Looks silly IMO. Especially if it's done for the last round for instance. Not to mention that a team I won't name(it's not that I've anything against them because as I said, I'm ranting on useless details:razz:) started the season on a squad that changed name like a few rounds later, to finish with another squad that changed name right for the season finale.

[hyntty]

TBH if I were you I'd change my name. Thus your opinion is invalid

[GreyBull [CHA]]

TBH if I were you I'd change my name. Thus your opinion is invalid

TBH I learned to not take too much account on the drunken finns' opinion so far in my life. This probably saved my mental health:thumb:

[GianniC]

Hello,

Is there a team out there who could use another racer for the 2011 season ?
I'm looking for reasons to get back active in LFS (yes, again) but nfinity eSports is currently a bit too focused on iRacing only. So an attempt to get us going for GTAL won't work, like last year too badly...

I'm GMT+2 currently, winter period GMT+1. I can do most of the 3 hour races, some stints on the longer races depending on when. I suck badly in the FZR so my preference would go out to the XRR or FXR. And no, I don't mind the FXR at all. Unlike my team name might hint, I am not an alien. But with training I do got pace and in general I'm a good in race starts and tyre saving (althought that also might be because of slowness :D). I also have a longterm and healthy reputation of being a very fair and clean racer, speaks for itself as I'm in nfinity eSports but guess I'll just mention it. Drop me a PM with some info of your team or such if you would be interested, thanks!

2011 seaons looks good otherwise. Curious on the calendar though... Originality where are thou...

Cheers,

[Bmxtwins]

Tbh, I think restrictions are probably best as they are now, if anything, I have doubts about XRR being 24% (think 23% could also be near optimum) but, either way, it's got it's strengths and weaknesses, so it's prob better to be left, as I've been persuaded. :razz:

As already mentioned, FXR should naturally be slightly slower, because it's also the easiest car to drive, easy to be consistent with it, can get out of gravel traps with ease, and is less resistant to rolling over compared to the XRR. Just really looking forward to this season, though. :D
Yes but look at Westhill and KY2, FXR gets blown away in straights. If your going to lower XRR then it will dominate on those tracks even more.

[Flingoko]

Yes but look at Westhill and KY2, FXR gets blown away in straights. If your going to lower XRR then it will dominate on those tracks even more.

I think we got 4th or 5th at Westhill and ended up at 9th/10th at ky2 with massive fails ^^ So it is possible to get good results at all tracks. Speed isnt everything ;)

[CSF]

Yes but look at Westhill and KY2, FXR gets blown away in straights. If your going to lower XRR then it will dominate on those tracks even more.

Boohoo choose a different car. Not that it would make any difference.

[Bmxtwins]

Boohoo choose a different car. Not that it would make any difference.
Sorry, LLM will be sending our app in with FXR regardless of what you say.

[CSF]

Sorry, LLM will be sending our app in with FXR regardless of what you say.

You missed the point, I meant that it makes no difference as you will still be just as shit. Only you might not spin off quite so much. :thumb::nod:

[AMB]

Sorry, LLM will be sending our app in with FXR regardless of what you say.

Pick teh FZR.

[boothy]

FXRs finished second and fourth at Westhill.

The problem is if you make the easiest to drive car the fastest one then everyone will use it. If you take off 2-3% to make it fast enough so that Ray Kings can be competitive, then everyone at the front of the grid will take it and we'll be back to the status quo of everyone being faster than Ray Kings. :tilt:

[CSF]

LLM should be allowed to use BF1 just to make it fair imo. :thumb:

[Hahmo]

LLM should be allowed to use BF1 just to make it fair imo. :thumb:
and you think they would NOT spin with it?

[Tomhah]

Give them UF1. They might manage to keep the car on track at least. But when I think of it, they'll just be in the middle of the track and take everyone out. F1 might be better then, so they're out of the race before the race has even started (they crash on the SC lap)

[Fuse5]

Give them UF1. They might manage to keep the car on track at least. But when I think of it, they'll just be in the middle of the track and take everyone out. F1 might be better then, so they're out of the race before the race has even started (they crash on the SC lap)


wat

[elliot1992]

tbh i'm quite glad LLM are joining, means i won't be the slowest driver on track :) (whilst there still in the race anyway)

[luki97]

Ok guys not that hard for LLM, biggest thing is when this season starts?:P

[AMB]

Haha why is everyone against LLM ? Maybe I have missed something, not seen them race, can someone give me a brief summary? :D

[Bmxtwins]

Haha why is everyone against LLM ? Maybe I have missed something, not seen them race, can someone give me a brief summary? :D

12 hour race last year mustang rolled car like 2 times... plus we were slow, I admit I was slow but I don't think I was that bad.... FZR isnt my car...

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Haha why is everyone against LLM ? Maybe I have missed something, not seen them race, can someone give me a brief summary? :D

Here's a rough list:)

Taking leader Oscar Hardwick out while being lapped down at the round 5 of the Speedsims FOX on the run(Mustangman, who left LLM a few months ago)
Getting 6 months ban from Speedsims for some obscure reason(Bmwtwins)
Being 8 laps(IIRC) down at the 6 Hours of Westhill counting for the 2010 GTAL season after crashing several time
Being more than 20 laps down and crashing several times(including one off that caused a SC) at the 12 hours of Kyoto National before retiring around half-way point.
Organising GT3 Cup, which was rather fail to be honest. But we can't really complain, the actual season was a LOT better than the 2 testraces.
Getting a 12 months ban from Team Rock Racing events for wrecking people and insulting admins(Bmxtwins)
Creating a second account in order to compete in some contest reserved to demo licensed drivers(Bmxtwins/Mustangman, we can't know who it was since they live in the same house)
Failing to give some respect to blue flags in the Mini-FBM 2010 Round 2(tibone). Leader James Peace crashed while passing him, partly because tibone didn't leave enough room
Showing poor attitude in general in events, being uncosistant, getting involved in random incidents. Sometimes ragequitting
Being involved in pathetic arguments at LFSF
I must be missing a lot, feel free to complete the list people;)

[AMB]

If you want to be competitive you have to learn the FZR, it's a good car once you learn how to drive it, also depends if any restrictions for the cars in this league :P

Edit: That's a long list blimey... :D

[Bmxtwins]

;1484449']snip

Hi, you are making it sound as if I am an intentional rammer.
-Firstly, at speedsims it was my first league, I destroyed my suspension and tried to bring crippled car on grass to the pits, and hit a tire on grass that rolled onto track and another car hit and spun on last lap.
- I never had anything to do with GT3 Cup, that was a 7Karat thingy.
- I'm not banned from TRR events
- I never rage quit...
-mustang never intentionaly took oscar out, oscar ran into him, and that was around a year ago
-pathetic arguments caused by the immature people who have provoked them above etc.
-8 laps down at 6hr of aston because I had 0 laps of practice, and we wouldve gone over limit if i didnt race (bad mistake)
---and because we dont quit
-at 12 Hour nathan's pc shut off
-at 12 hour we didnt even finish... no durr we were more than 20 laps out..
-also at 12 hours only people who failed ar ex-LLM

Now please grow up and start looking in the mirror, you all are very immature and probably shouldnt be calling me immature with the way you act. I'm probably more than 10 year younger than most of you and you still act more immature.

Thanks,
16 years old and has a life outside of LFS.
Ray

ITS A VIDEOGAME PEOPLE GET OVER IT, IM HERE TO HAVE FUN AND RACE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY!

[AMB]

You should probably take the second to last line off the post, that makes everyone else look as if we have no lives :(

[Bmxtwins]

You should probably take the second to last line off the post, that makes everyone else look as if we have no lives :(

Mostly because you people don't.

[AMB]

Mostly because you people don't.

Maybe this is what he meant by immature, I play a lot of games but I also have a life that you would probably kill for.

[Mustangman759]

yann for that demo thing it was bmx ;) for the 12 hr well dumb team leader told me get on here with absolutely 0 practice ;) and for that oscar thing i didnt even know how to drive realy was still a utter noob :D

[hyntty]

OH FOR ****S SAKE!


grr

[ElonB13]

why kill for your life when he couldt kill for mine :p.

EDIT : Ray likes my girlfriend :l

E 2 : Now my post dosent match with the others :( who deleted

[Bmxtwins]

And then look at SO4R and FE3, where you blow us away, even though the car shouldn't be quicker, not all tracks are high speed. And what Boothy said. Ao
maybe just lower it for certain tracks, dunno, it's deko's call, I can careless what he does I'm here to have fun :shrug:

[AMB]

why kill for your life when he couldt kill for mine :p.

EDIT : Ray likes my girlfriend :l

E 2 : Now my post dosent match with the others :( who deleted

I get your post if your girlfriend is the lovely elegant..thi... women in your avatar then I'd have to agree I WOULD LITERALLY KILL HER... I mean FOR her....

[sandzama]

When begins sezona when begin application???

[sandzama]

When will the application start for next season?Do teams from last season have the advantage if there are many applications from other teams?

[prOmo_LTU]

I would say early 2009.

[dekojester]

When will the application start for next season?Do teams from last season have the advantage if there are many applications from other teams?

Applications start: Before the end of September

Season Start: Late October

Returning Teams will be given preference based on past season performance.

[xtraction]

Applications start: Before the end of September

Season Start: Late October

Returning Teams will be given preference based on past season performance.

gues that counts out LLM then.

[xtraction]

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[Bmxtwins]

gues that counts out LLM then.

After Deko deleted 20 flame posts about LLM are you REALLY gonna start that, way to be a double sided back stabbing fool, friend on MSN enemy in public.
Maybe deko will take into account that we used FZR and are using easier FXR, and that we have better drivers now.

[-NightFly-]

*starts panically to rub off dust from wheel

[dekojester]

I've started work on the 2011 rulebook properly. Some highlights:



28 Full time positions, plus one special "Guest Team" which is likely to be run by Phil Diaz and Sebastian Hutchinson among others, to be a varying driver lineup. They will be tasked to help you all out in the week(s) leading up to a round. Full details to be sorted out soon.
3- and 6-hour races may see up to 6 drivers in one race, the 12-hour race may have a maximum of 8 drivers used.
Qualifying in same format as last year, with pools, and telepitting from pit stops permitted.
3-hour races start at 18:00 UTC, 6-hour races start at 15:00 UTC, 12-hour race starts at 11:00 UTC.
Wave-around rule of 2010 season eliminated, returned to a "Leader must be first car behind SC" format.
Spectating without permission or from outside of a pit box or garage (The RageQuit Penalty) raised to 10-point penalty from 5-point penalty.
Points for win reduced to 50 (75 for 6-hour, 100 for 12-hour). Similar reductions in remainder of top 10 points structure, 11th -29th same as 2010.

A provisional schedule will be out soon, and applications I hope to open up later this week.

[niels1]

*starts panically to rub off dust from wheel

Yeah get going Fly, practise has been started buddy. Time to polish wheel and pedals. Dont overdo it though you might slip off wheel if polished to much :D

[J@tko]

...

Is hot-seating permitted?

[hyntty]

Is hot-seating permitted?

We can't stop you from wetting your pants.

[Fuse5]

28 Full time positions, plus one special "Guest Team" which is likely to be run by Phil Diaz and Sebastian Hutchinson among others, to be a varying driver lineup. They will be tasked to help you all out in the week(s) leading up to a round. Full details to be sorted out soon.

lolz...

[Sueycide_FD]

Looks appealing :nod:

[PMD9409]

lolz...

Hold in the laughs until you see the name/skin/car choice. :D

[Töki (HUN)]

Hold in the laughs until you see the name/skin/car choice. :D

Hello Kitty Racing / pink skin / FXR?

[PMD9409]

You did surprisingly get one right. :D

[Seb66]

You did surprisingly get one right. :D

We are using what I think we are using, right? :rolleyes2

[Hahmo]

We are using what I think we are using, right? :rolleyes2
Bring in the..
AOOOOOOOOO

[jorisp]

Team cargame.nl would like to sign in a team is that possible ?

[dekojester]

Team cargame.nl would like to sign in a team is that possible ?

It will be possible, when applications open, sometime later this week.

[jorisp]

Ok cool. We'll get a team together and hopefully we will be taken in to the league :D

Can't wait. It would be our first ever official race :D

[greg_slideways]

Cant wait to hear all the finals in the rulebook! :thumb:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Team cargame.nl would like to sign in a team is that possible ?

Cargane.nl is a team?

[dekojester]

;1488873']Cargane.nl is a team?

Technically, it doesn't have to be an LFSWorld team to race in GTAL. :razz:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Technically, it doesn't have to be an LFSWorld team to race in GTAL. :razz:

I know(especially from last season:razz:), was just asking like that.

[jorisp]

;1488873']Cargane.nl is a team?

Yes we are a team. Though we have not yet contested in any Races

we thought it would be a good and fun thing to do.

[JackCY]

How do you plan to choose the 28? teams from the 38+ applications?
I mean what is the sorting algorithm ;) To get the top 28? most suitable/wanted/... from the many applications.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

How do you plan to choose the 28? teams from the 38+ applications?
I mean what is the sorting algorithm ;) To get the top 28? most suitable/wanted/... from the many applications.

Should be based on the team's/drivers' experience(if you took part in the 2010 season and didn't look like a complete fool, this should increase your chances a lot for example), number of drivers on the roster(or more generally, likelihood to finish the season), and stuff like that...

But that's only a guess, wait for the official statement:tilt:

[ToJo]

I wont even try to get any drivers from CD with me for this season.
Maybe I'll be able to be a guest driver for a race or two. :shrug:

[StableX]

can we choose numbers?

[dekojester]

can we choose numbers?

No, numbers will be assigned to teams currently numberless after the test race.

[bavorak]

When are you expecting to release list of teams accepted to fill those 9 free spaces on grid?

[dekojester]

When are you expecting to release list of teams accepted to fill those 9 free spaces on grid?

Final team list should be available within a week or so.

[reason0809]

still waiting for the list

[bavorak]

Who will be in guest team for the next race(WE1)?

[Seb66]

Whoever wants to be

[Swiss-Spirit]

So, basically Ide/Deletraz/Tuero/Insert Fail here could drive the Guest car?

[boothy]

Yeah we're were going to put Oscar in it next :razz: