Why is the Raceabout not more popular?

[codehound]

Are there any fans of this car? Detractors?

[brandons48]

Pardon? :Looking_a

[Furiously-Fast]

I think he is trying to say 'why isn't the Raceabout popular' :tilt:

[Bob Smith]

Fixed awful grammar in thread title.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Maybe because its handling is very bad.

[rockclan]

I fell in love with the RAC yesterday, I love it around FE5 :)

[delis]

I have always liked the Raceabout! One of the best and interesting to drive rear wheel drive car in LFS!

[Gnomie]

Same here! Takes some time getting used to, but once you have a decent setup it's among the most enjoyable cars in LFS I think. :)

[rockclan]

Same here! Takes some time getting used to, but once you have a decent setup it's among the most enjoyable cars in LFS I think. :)

Indeed, RAC@Oval is also awesome.

[Mazink]

I love the RAC but since my wheel is broken, racing it with mouse is friggin' hard.

understeer understeer understeer, try to induce poweroversteer but NO its 0 or 100% throttle so I end up crashing or doing very badly

[hrtburnout]

Try getting rid of the locked diff.

[MR_B]

Because of the tyre physics.





Thread killer in action!

[Matrixi]

Because of the tyre physics.





Thread killer in action!

It's super-effective!

[bunder9999]

i always thought the lack of a rear ARB had something to do with it. i can't keep it from spinning out. :shrug:

but the bigger reason i don't drive it, is that i think the interior is ugly. :vomit:

[Sueycide_FD]

Useful for just taking pretty pictures to me.

[The Very End]

Don't like the look, and don't like the handling.
That's two good reasons for me not liking it.

Again, IMO :)

[RevengeR]

I love how everyone is saying 'I love the LX6/RAC/FZ5, they are the coolest bestest cars out there' in these threads, but in reality no one never drives them because they are really hard to handle. Especially the RAC, which is really a pain in the ass to go fast with. It's hard to have good competitive races with them cause they need lots and lots of practice and proper sets to have a decent stable pace.
Let's face it, no one really likes it, only the forum warriors in these threads.

[danthebangerboy]

i always thought the lack of a rear ARB had something to do with it. i can't keep it from spinning out. :shrug:

but the bigger reason i don't drive it, is that i think the interior is ugly. :vomit:

I struggle with it as well, end up fishtailing wildly everywhere, its as if there is no middle ground with it, its either gripping, or it isnt, very little (if any) oppertunity to keep a hold of it, by the time it starts to spin, its already spun!

I wasnt a huge fan of the interior colour either, easily sorted tho, import DDS file into photoshop, set colour saturation to zero, normal coloured interior! :thumbsup:

I love how everyone is saying 'I love the LX6/RAC/FZ5, they are the coolest bestest cars out there' in these threads, but in reality no one never drives them because they are really hard to handle. Especially the RAC, which is really a pain in the ass to go fast with. It's hard to have good competitive races with them cause they need lots and lots of practice and proper sets to have a decent stable pace.
Let's face it, no one really likes it, only the forum warriors in these threads.

I actually do like the lx6, tis a bastard to drive, but it is at least driveable for me, just, not that im quick, but i can manage to drive it okay ish.

The lx4 on the other hand seems horrible to drive, and much more difficult than the lx6, which is odd, you'd expect the more powerful one to be more difficult, strange.

As bob smith once said, an lx cannot be over powered, just under controlled. :tilt:

[niall09]

The best races I've ever in LFS had have been in the RSC, which is a RAC/FZ5 league. :)

[The Very End]

I love how everyone is saying 'I love the LX6/RAC/FZ5, they are the coolest bestest cars out there' in these threads, but in reality no one never drives them because they are really hard to handle. Especially the RAC, which is really a pain in the ass to go fast with. It's hard to have good competitive races with them cause they need lots and lots of practice and proper sets to have a decent stable pace.
Let's face it, no one really likes it, only the forum warriors in these threads.

Agree with you there, well put :)

[hp999]

And I love how someone with 18 posts moans about RAC.


I've driven the RAC around various tracks(not many...), I love it. Stable sets, skills and luck is the key for good times, nothing else.

[danthebangerboy]

I think the fact that you have to use such ridculous setups to get the thing even resembling the handling of an actrual car thats the issue, even with the best set possible it still aint brilliant, it just breaks grip too quickly and in all the wrong places.

[AMB]

And I love how someone with 18 posts moans about RAC.


I've driven the RAC around various tracks(not many...), I love it. Stable sets, skills and luck is the key for good times, nothing else.

Your a retard, how does his post count have anything at all to do with his online play? maybe he plays more in-game instead of failing at trolling on a forum like you, anyway he wasn't complaining, he was saying why isn't it more popular than it already is, so it's quite the opposite. :thumbsup:

[codehound]

And I love how someone with 18 posts moans about RAC.
Well, I am glad I made you happy but I don't think I said whether I like the car or not. :) I just asked what other people thought. Besides, my number of posts has nothing to do with my number of years spent sim racing and modding the physics in GPL cars.

I would like to try some of those "decent" and "proper" setups. The ones I have tried so far either have uncontrollable oversteer from the start or have understeer right up the the point the back end slides away never to be recovered.

[hp999]

Your a retard, how does his post count have anything at all to do with his online play? maybe he plays more in-game instead of failing at trolling on a forum like you, anyway he wasn't complaining, he was saying why isn't it more popular than it already is, so it's quite the opposite. :thumbsup:

First up, the topic he brought up has been going on for years(even though I haven't been here for 'many years'), due to the fact that RAC is very unstable in LFS, not speaking about the fact how unrealistic the setups are. Speaking of which, RAC is the least used car in LFS(since S2 was released). Now, I don't see, why people wouldn't complain about it, since it's a hard car to handle. I was assuming he is new to LFS(which he is), so he came to the forums, and made a thread about it. Probably the scenario was - he some of the cars, found RAC to be the hardest to drive and then made a thread. Not being a dumb idiot about his postcount - most of the cases it is all about it , which brings some others to the thought the driver is a newbie.

Secondly, this is LFS, not rFactor. I'm quite sure RAC isn't featured in any other simulator, correct me, if I'm wrong.


RAC setups can be found at setupgrid.net, if there is a need.

[VirginTrains]

RAC is perfectly (not really perfect cuz of tire physics) here at LFS but only eats the sliding which you lost control on the race but I love it when I'm driving it in AS5 with mouse configuration controls.

[Breizh]

First up, the topic he brought up has been going on for years(even though I haven't been here for 'many years'), due to the fact that RAC is very unstable in LFS, not speaking about the fact how unrealistic the setups are. Speaking of which, RAC is the least used car in LFS(since S2 was released). Now, I don't see, why people wouldn't complain about it, since it's a hard car to handle. I was assuming he is new to LFS(which he is), so he came to the forums, and made a thread about it. Probably the scenario was - he some of the cars, found RAC to be the hardest to drive and then made a thread. Not being a dumb idiot about his postcount - most of the cases it is all about it , which brings some others to the thought the driver is a newbie.

Secondly, this is LFS, not rFactor. I'm quite sure RAC isn't featured in any other simulator, correct me, if I'm wrong.


RAC setups can be found at setupgrid.net, if there is a need.All that because of a hasty conclusion. Fancy that.

[Senninha25]

IMO the RAC is a bit of a 50/50 car...I always get frustrated with the Raceabout, but I just can't stop trying to tame it because it's a great challenge and a fun car to drive.

[Mazink]

There is almost 0 server where you can RACE the rac (not DRIFT or CRUISE).

I started one, was practicing along with 2 AI, because I was waiting for humans to come, no one ever came...

[cargame.nl]

There is almost 0 server where you can RACE the rac
Really? ;)

[ACCAkut]

I'm one of the crazy lot driving the RAC at cargame. Its my favourite car atm, a real handfull to drive with 720° and H-Shifter. About the crazy setups, I couldn't even do a complete lap on the setupgrid setups, IMO those use all those exploits (ridiculous ARBs, locked diff etc.), at least the hotlap ones.

My own setups are quite different, 38-45% lock, ~150kPa, ~10kN/m ARB, plus 20kg weight on the front axis :) I'm not really fast, but my tires (now) last longer than 2 laps and I can catch the car when I get it too sideways.

And thanks to all the weight on the back its quite capable of offroading, anyone remember the Hillclimb layouts for FE ? :razz:

[bosbrandje]

Really? ;)
I think he means race Only the RAC.

[andRo.]

I love how everyone is saying 'I love the LX6/RAC/FZ5, they are the coolest bestest cars out there' in these threads, but in reality no one never drives them because they are really hard to handle. Especially the RAC, which is really a pain in the ass to go fast with. It's hard to have good competitive races with them cause they need lots and lots of practice and proper sets to have a decent stable pace.
Let's face it, no one really likes it, only the forum warriors in these threads.

You are wrong. I've always liked these cars and I somehow don't find them hard to drive, maybe it's because I really like the car and I enjoy when I'm racing with them. Maybe you guys use weird setups, but it doesn't take a lot to get used to the car.

LRF have been my favorite cars since couple of years ago and I still love them. Too bad there aren't many(any) leagues with LRF. Or if there are, I haven't noticed any.

[Woz]

The trick with the RAC is find the pace you can put in lap after lap. It has such and tiny edge between a fun catchable drive and trying to kill you.

But is rewarding when you get it right. Will be interesting to see what the new tire physics bring to the RAC

[rockclan]

Really? ;)

Thanks for making RAC possible.

I fell in love with it on your server.

I'm now trying to beat my RAC@FE5R pb i set at your server.

[zeromussov]

It's a great car to drive, but not really for pickup races... with most people are lacking skills to drive it.

btw, next round of Apex Cup (http://www.apexcup.net/schedule/details/4-s1r4) is with the RAC / FZ5. Signups (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=67184) are still open, so if you want some good racing...:tilt:

[luckytuner]

the RAC is really funny, but i prefer the LX6, its simply awesome to drive and very funny beating XFR's and UFR's at some tracks:D

[NotAnIllusion]

The RAC and the other RRs - for me anyways - are a bit difficult because without a perfect setup it can be mayhem. It's very possible to have too much lift-off oversteer, slow-speed understeer and throttle understeer until it, snaps all in one setup :p I can keep them on the road, but speed is an entirely different issue. I'd probably drive them more if I was able to drive rather than tip-toe.

[FireMike15]

If you can ride the Raceabout, there's no lack of boredom or disliking. Agreeing the post over me, there is no Server where you can race with them, I mean, not more people as 0.

[nikka]

And I love how someone with 18 posts moans about RAC.
So how many posts do you think someone must have before they're allowed to have an opinion on something in here? :shrug:

I only have 167, but I still think you're an idiot. Hope that's OK with you.

[AMB]

So how many posts do you think someone must have before they're allowed to have an opinion on something in here? :shrug:

I only have 167, but I still think you're an idiot. Hope that's OK with you.

This is what I wanted to say, but I guess you have a better way of putting it than me :D

[codehound]

I see three problems with the RAC design:
1) It appears that the tires are the same size on the front and rear. But there is 50% more weight on the back and the rear tires have to handle all that power. Using different air pressures can help but it would be better if the tire size fit the amount of work that the tire had to do.

2) As mentioned in a previous post, no rear ant-roll bar. This limits the ability to independently adjust the vehicles vertical spring rate, roll spring rate, and fore and aft distribution of roll stiffness.

3) The rear suspension design. If you compare the rear upright of the RAC to the other cars in LFS, it is the only one with the upper attach point so far outboard of the lower one. This is probably done to raise the rear roll center. Maybe an effort to increase the rear roll stiffness without increasing the rear spring rates. As a result, the rear wheel cambers change a lot more than they do for the front wheels. Plus, it tends to have the "jacking" effect of a car with swing axles.

Based on these three factors I think the front of the car is much more efficient than the rear. Usually increasing the front roll stiffness will ease the load on the rear tires at the expense of over working the outside front tire. Therefore making the feel more balanced. I haven't been able to do this with the RAC. Either the frame is too flexible to transfer the roll moment to the front, or there just isn't that much weight that can be transferred at the front, or I am doing it all wrong. So I have tried something that they did on the Auto Union GP cars back in the 1930's when they had lots of power and narrow tires. They would put positive camber on the front wheels to make the car lose grip at the front more easily. Thus, when the driver lost the back end of the car it was easier to catch because the front tires were already closer to their limits. What seems best to me is (a) setting the live camber settings at the front to between 0 and -1. (b) Setting the live rear cambers to between -3 and -4. And (c) raising the ride height of the front of the car to make the initial roll centers more equal for the front and rear. The tire temperature profile for the front tires looks terrible with these settings (outside edge about 5C hotter than inside edge) but I find the car to be much more controllable and easier to save when the back end breaks loose. In fact, I am now trying to dial out some of the understeer in slow corners without losing the stability it has. Lap times ( at least for a slow driver like me) don't seem to be that far off what I can do in the LX6. After all, if you can't use all the extra grip at the front, it really isn't going to be of much help.

But everyone has different abilities and preferences on how they want a car to feel. Just something that works for me and might or might not be of help to someone else. By the way, I really like the car.

[hp999]

So how many posts do you think someone must have before they're allowed to have an opinion on something in here? :shrug:

I only have 167, but I still think you're an idiot. Hope that's OK with you.


I am a idiot. I hope that's okay with you.

[TexasLTU]

E-penis battling in this thread is so epic, don't even try to talk if you have less than 9000 posts. :D:D

[Uke]

Becouse it's too hard to control for most of the people.

[danthebangerboy]

It's very possible to have too much lift-off oversteer, slow-speed understeer and throttle understeer until it, snaps all in one setup :p


Where'd you get my setup from, sounds ever so much like it! :D

[rockclan]

Becouse it's too hard to control for most of the people.


Oh come on, it's not that hard, even I can control it.

And as proof that it's not that hard, here's a replay of a 3 lap drive:

[RevengeR]

You are wrong. I've always liked these cars and I somehow don't find them hard to drive, maybe it's because I really like the car and I enjoy when I'm racing with them. Maybe you guys use weird setups, but it doesn't take a lot to get used to the car.

LRF have been my favorite cars since couple of years ago and I still love them. Too bad there aren't many(any) leagues with LRF. Or if there are, I haven't noticed any.

No I'm not. You guys are only a few compared to the whole community. And this few is not enough to be noticable on the servers.
I'd also check those RAC lovers' online stats for laps and PBs haha :D

[NightShift]

Either the frame is too flexible to transfer the roll moment to the front

Only there is no chassis flex in LFS :D

BTW I'm not sure why the RAC handles the way it does, but I sure hope no Raceabout IRL handles that way.

[RevengeR]

Only there is no chassis flex in LFS :D

BTW I'm not sure why the RAC handles the way it does, but I sure hope no Raceabout IRL handles that way.

Because of the lack of rear ARB. Thats why you gotta stiffen the rear damping up, and use insane toe at the rear to make it more responsive even without rear ARB. It's hard to drive those sets.

[Criminal-Team]

Everyone has their favorite machine, but usually people choose more easily controlled machine or the fastest. Personally I like to drive with RAC, but on many tracks LX6 is the fastest and on some tracks FZ5.

[NightShift]

Because of the lack of rear ARB.

:really: There's plenty of cars lacking a rear ARB IRL (though not many have the power/weight ratio of the RAC).

[djfatrod]

Quite a few people drive it in: cargame.nl S2

I think its great. At first I could not handle the rear wheel drives at all but after a fair bit of practice they are very rewarding. LX4/6, FZ5 and the RAC are all awesome once you get the hang of them.

In fact it was a driver from IHR named NS who told me exactly that when I was moving up from the FXO. He said the RWDs are harder to driver but much more rewarding, and he was totally right :thumb:

The main thing is throttle control I would say. You can't floor it out of the corner or you will oversteer and destroy the tyres very quickly. It feels like you are slow in the corners compared to the FWDs but you have more power going down. And once you are in a straight line you feel the power!

[RevengeR]

:really: There's plenty of cars lacking a rear ARB IRL (though not many have the power/weight ratio of the RAC).

Still they are not tuned and tricked out to get maximum corner G's, so they behave totally different.

[Uke]

Oh come on, it's not that hard, even I can control it.

And as proof that it's not that hard, here's a replay of a 3 lap drive:

I said most of the people. I can controll the RAC and I love it. Most of the people however don't :shrug:

[Breizh]

That's because it drives like a Barbie doll car. :static:

[unseen]

Worst example of the LFS floaty rollerskate physics. Hideous lack of ffb, and a rear end that snaps round quicker than you can say "shit".

Quite enjoyable when you have a real soft setup, and amongst others racing with the same sort of skill level, but it just always seem to have a much wider gulf between you and the aliens than any other car has.

Enjoyment to race result ratio = Far less than other cars.

[Dac]

I too have a love/hate relationship with the RAC, I regularly use it when I get bored of the rest and want to drive something a bit funky. The interior looks really good I think. As has been done to death, the handling is pretty bad. Understeer into the corner and death oversteer on the exit. It can even be pretty fatal just going over a crest like the first chicane at Aston Historic. I think the main reason for it is due to the short wheelbase, mid engine and road tyres. This means the low polar inertia will allow it to turn very quickly without the stable front:rear balance and grip of a longer wheelbase with slicks. Still it might be how the MGF, Elise, MR2 handle characteristics.

[Theafro]

You'll find that most similar r/l cars are a LOT more predictable than the RAC. It's chassis is sensitive to throttle inputs like a good mid engined car should be, but when you combine that with a torquey turbo lump, poor weight distribution and limited setup options, it makes is a tough car to fully get to grips with.

If you don't trust your car you won't enjoy racing it, so not many people do.

[unseen]

Hang a seat over the rear end. Get your fattest mate to sit on it, and tell him to make like a racing sidecar guy, shifting his weight over into the corners, and it could really be something sweet.

[senn]

You'll find that most similar r/l cars are a LOT more predictable than the RAC. It's chassis is sensitive to throttle inputs like a good mid engined car should be, but when you combine that with a torquey turbo lump, poor weight distribution and limited setup options, it makes is a tough car to fully get to grips with.

If you don't trust your car you won't enjoy racing it, so not many people do.

the problem i find with the RAC, is that it doesn't turn in well under braking (weight transfer to front) and is difficult to control on corner exit with throttle. I've tried to be damn gentle on exit, or even hold it in a slide, but it's bloody hard! The window for being able to drive the car fast is tiny compared to most cars, but it's still fun to try drive a fast time in it, as it is possible, and when you get it right, it's scaryfast. But i still prefer the LX6/LX4 :)

[AutoPilot]

I like RAC, but I've mostly done a couple hotlaps here and there, very rare to find a chance to race it online. The whole LRF class is the hardest to race and hence the least popular, and while FZ5 has some uses on faster tracks, LX6 dominates RAC everywhere, so I guess that's why RAC is more than 2x less popular than the next least popular car (FZ 50)...

[AutoPilot]

the problem i find with the RAC, is that it doesn't turn in well under braking (weight transfer to front) It can turn well if you use LSD (or at least used to). I remember it could be quite fun to trail-brake in some longer turns (say T1 at We rev), once you start it had some resemblance to 8s of rodeo when the bull is let loose...

[Breizh]

Hang a seat over the rear end. Get your fattest mate to sit on it, and tell him to make like a racing sidecar guy, shifting his weight over into the corners, and it could really be something sweet.
Or drive it into corners as if you were exiting, and drive it thru exit as if you were entering.

[Minimaxman]

I was racing it last night on Cargame.nl, the only place where I can drive it online without being surrounded by drifters. When I say racing I mean lapping on my own, no-one else was feeling suicidal with me at the time. I've worked on a set for the RAC over a period of time and got it to a stage where I'm happy with it.

The main tactic I use when driving it through fast corners, such as those at KY3R last night, was to have a really quick lift off the throttle just on turn-in, this would make the rear end a bit loose and you would then get straight back on the power, drive the whole corner feathering the throttle and using the power to steer, the only steering inputs you have to make are corrective ones. I found simply going into fast coners on a balanced throttle would make it understeer massively. This way of driving is fun and it seems to works, and the rear tyres just about managed 4 laps of KY GP Reverse.

The hardest thing about driving this car is, for me, getting it turned in on slow corners where trail braking doesn't have as much of an effect and most of the time I end up entering it completely broadside, or just plowing straight on.

[NumberTwo]

im racing it when ever i go on cargame, i find tbo, gti and gtrs rather boring so i always go with lxs or rac.

had a nice fight with lx6 guys yesterday, it kinda awesome when you are fighting in a car that is just waiting to go off track, same with lx6 guy, but we had nice races :o


basically, i use rac to improve my fox driving skill, since i started handling foxhas become a child play, when it starts to go away from me, i can catch it with ease :)

[Harri K.]

I like the RAC because it's fast and challenging to drive. i rather choose empty lrf server than bloody gtr\multiclass server :x

[BURN]

It is challenging to drive, but not very suitable for close racing, IMO... more of an endurance car for that matter.

The LX6 on the other hand is a lot more predictable without being to easy to handle. It so much fun climbing the uphill-righthander at Westhill Reverse (the whole track is awesome with this car)

[MadCat360]

Y'all are crazy. This car is a sweetheart! It's very docile and is nimble as a flea.

[rockclan]

For those who want it I could set up a LRF server. :)

I will be there regulary to admin, so there won't be noobed.

I'm starting this server in a few minutes, and it will be called:

-TRR- LRF Racing

[MuderGO[LT]]

I like RAC!!! :smileypul

[Subphonic]

The couple of times I've tried it with wheel and pedals I can see why it would be worth persevering and getting to grips with, I can imagine it's pretty rewarding. However, it's a nightmare to mouse so I generally avoid it :shrug:

As for the interior...yeah, a bit b'ugly; drove it for 5mins then got the dds straight into Photoshop!

[richo]

Love the LX's but the RAC is a complete turd on wheels , i hope to God the real RAC is not like the shitbox represented in LFS .

I,m not trying to be insulting but a car that doesn't know which end it wants to swap first can't be a good simulation of the real deal.

LX6 on the other hand is a beautiful thing to drive and i like that you have to respect it a bit too .

Imho all the cars bar the RAC are very well done and drive nicely , before everyone jumps in i have driven mid engined cars albeit a Toyota MR2 and they can be twitchy especially the early models.

[Senninha25]

the RAC is such a mixed car...some people say it's docile and nimble, others say it's hell to drive and doesn't know where it's going.

This car is like a girl! Some days it's very nice to you, lets you do what you like and gives you a great time but there are other days where you just catch it in a very bad mood and once you turn the wheel it'll try to veer you off or spin into the oblivion.
That's my take on this thing.

[warhar]

The RAC is fun on LFSTweak, giving it a heavier engine helps with handling, in my experience

[dumbass0]

The brakes (at least on default setups) are shit. Other than that it would be an awesome car to race.

[ACCAkut]

The RAC is fun on LFSTweak, giving it a heavier engine helps with handling, in my experience

there is a tweak that works with the RAC?

[Mazink]

fz5 vs RAC on SO is fun!

[Zdenek CZE]

For fans of RAC there is one race - 2 hours with RAC+FZ5 on FE4 (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=69418)

[logitekg25]

i really like the RAC..it makes for some challenging racing. if you get too cocky and think you can easily be faster then the gang and pull away then you will fail. slow and steady wins. start off with a point you know you can handle at a slow speed, and gradually get faster and you will be fast :thumb:

try my sets, the "grip" set is not realisticly setup but it drives alright in my opinion last time i checked; the one labeled "grip W.I.P." is more realistic in terms of damping, and spring rate, and drives very well if you have some experience in the car, try that one second :shrug:

as always i can try to make you a custom set that will suit your personal needs, just drop me a pm...in my sig my "setup shop" is very outdated though :x

EDIT: also, i have a set called "GRIP 2", and i guess thats either trading oversteer for understeer, compared to my "grip" set; but i believe i found a medium in the wip one :shrug:

[Kid222]

For fans of RAC there is one race - 2 hours with RAC+FZ5 on FE4 (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=69418)
This ^. Everyone, who is real RAC/FZ fan, must attend.:razz:

[delis]

I think bigger RAC and FZ50 fans should sign up for this!

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=69453

[ANAMENOONEHAD]

RAC ownz. Its not "the masses" type of car. Its for a special niche, the drivers that take time to woo her under control. The ones that can make a set FOR THEMselves (its the best way). The ones that can dial out that corner entry understeer and the lift throttle oversteer. RAC owns, this car actually has character you want mundane drive the xfg.

[NumberTwo]

im finding rac more and more unsuitable for racing on cargame, because it is too light, easy to crash out by other cars.

i often have problems with xfr's that just bump a bit, but a bit of bump hurts alot in rac. also had funny situation yesterday, was driving for a first time on fe4r with rac, and kinda obviously, my lap was quite slow, i wasnt really pushing, just trying to get an idea of what gear to use for some corners etc., and a guy with fxo just crashes me out from behind because he was sick of driving behind me

[Kid222]

im finding rac more and more unsuitable for racing on cargame, because it is too light, easy to crash out by other cars.

Public multiclass servers usually suck, because there's too much different cars on track at once and drivers are passing you mostly without any usage of brain. I spent 30 minutes on that server yesterday and that was enough for me to have a clear picture of racing standards there.

[RasmusL]

I don't drive it because the LX6 is the best car EVER! :thumb: Great challenge to drive, but I still pray for the day the LX8 comes :bananalla

[NotAnIllusion]

im finding rac more and more unsuitable for racing on cargame, because it is too light, easy to crash out by other cars.

i often have problems with xfr's that just bump a bit, but a bit of bump hurts alot in rac. also had funny situation yesterday, was driving for a first time on fe4r with rac, and kinda obviously, my lap was quite slow, i wasnt really pushing, just trying to get an idea of what gear to use for some corners etc., and a guy with fxo just crashes me out from behind because he was sick of driving behind me
This isn't really a reply to you but a more tangential note :schwitz:

It has always been a bit of an issue for me on MC servers. Maybe I sound a bit elitist here, but I would expect a faster class to actually be faster. Personally, I drive a car offline until I can do several laps with a bit of consistency, without spinning and fast enough to not be cockblocking slower classes. There may be some exceptions where baby UFRs mingle with other classes etc, but for the vast majority of the time I might be the last in my class but still ahead of the slower classes. One has to be driving fairly erratically or unpredictably (read: dangerously) to be significantly slower than a slower class.

Maybe it's just something to accept will happen on MC servers, I certainly don't whine about it, but I do get the feeling that too many people just jump in to the hardest cars with no practice, and are surprised that others get a bit (too) frustrated at times.

[zeugnimod]

Maybe it's just something to accept will happen on MC servers, I certainly don't whine about it, but I do get the feeling that too many people just jump in to the hardest cars with no practice, and are surprised that others get a bit (too) frustrated at times.

+100

I keep being held up by FZ5s in my RB4 in a lot of races. They pass me on the straight and then spin out in the next corner and block the road. :x

[ACCAkut]

It has always been a bit of an issue for me on MC servers. Maybe I sound a bit elitist here, but I would expect a faster class to actually be faster.

Mostly its the FXO that bash in your back on corner entry, understeering like mad (as expected). My tactic is to let those idiots pass, and then wait two more corners till they spin out. The RAC really taught me defensive driving, I often follow other racers for a lap or more on the bumper (without contact) till they chicken out and make a mistake. Same applies to the LX4, which is slower than all the TBOs on the straights but can outhandle them in twisties.

And don't forget that a lot of racers on the MC servers run hotlap sets, which tend to overheat (front) tires after 3-4 laps. My sets last for 10 or more, never really tested it.

[N20zuki]

I like to drive the LX6/RAC/FZ5/RAC... But with being able to run full slicks on those cars I think they would be more fun...

[patko]

I love the rac but.... she don't love me!:(

[theirishnoob]

Are there any fans of this car? Detractors?

because its s*** :x