This is allowed? :D

[kart-36]

Just cheating the WR stats, as usual, and found 'Criminal-team' uploaded HL on KY3 RB4.

I currently have WR, and i dont mind it being beaten but this is just crazy :S

If you look at T1, he just cuts the corner, surely this isnt allowed?

[Flame CZE]

Well it's allowed by the HLVC, although it should be invalid.

[rc10racer]

Well if you can get away with it then people will do it, there was a revamp off the HL checker done awhile ago and it removed quite afew wr's from KY3 when it was first released.

[kart-36]

In my view, its just clear cutting :/

[Bean0]

The rules are the same for everyone, therefore it is fair.

They don;t say 'you must not cut the track', they only say 'your lap must be HLVC valid'.

[kart-36]

Hmm, i guess i see it differently to others then :P

[e2mustang]

dont worry im coming back soon ;) :razz:

[NotAnIllusion]

Aren't hotlaps supposed to be 'the-uber-1-lap-no-matter-what-as-long-as-its-hlvc'? If cutting a little is fine, then cutting a lot is fine too. And walls hits, and handbrake abuse, and physics abuse.

Personally I'm not advocating any of those, in fact I find them quite distasteful. I do feel that it's better to wait for validity check improvements rather than try to impose some de facto ruleset, because there's always going to be someone to take the 'rules don't say I can't do that' route.

[Bean0]

Hmm, i guess i see it differently to others then :P

As is the case with most motorsport, it's all about interpreting the rules ;)

[pearcy_2k7]

Meh, don't worry about it, he only makes himself look like an arse. Just do what he did and beat it by a second.

[kart-36]

meh, don't worry about it, he only makes himself look like an arse. Just do what he did and beat it by a second.

:d

[Bean0]

Also, from looking at the hotlap analyser, it looks like you both use the very inside of the start/finish straight...which is outside the lines marking the track.

[HVS5b]

It has been removed :razz:

[kart-36]

No it hasnt? :S
I found it :P

[Austin31287]

lol from what i see that shouldnt be allowed he just cut the corner:D

[JO53PHS]

This just seems to be a massive flaw in the HLVC system.. the whole green tarmac area at T1 is HLVC valid :really:

[PatrooL]

JO53PHS could you delete some of your PM's. I tried to send you one but I cant :(

[hp999]

Delete all the KY3(R) records then.

Even so,it is quite a bit cheating. Lame,to be honest.:p

[GreyBull [CHA]]

The hotlapping mode is filled of grey areas. Just look at the South City(especially 3/3r) controversy for example.

[JO53PHS]

JO53PHS could you delete some of your PM's.

:thumb:

[Dac]

Every WR that I have seen is a joke to be fair, nothing that could ever be done in RL. Full braking over the curbs, drifting, bouncing over chicanes, tires wrecked after one lap. Dear god.

[AMB]

That WR is lolage :D just copy him and beat him? or annoy him by beating him without skipping.

[pik_d]

Hmm, i guess i see it differently to others then :P
Lots of people see it like you do, in more ways than just this. Some have been mentioned but here's all I can think of:



Hitting the wall at SO3's final corner
Driving on the apron at KY1/r and KY2/r (check KY2R FBM WR)
Cutting Green curbs (the one here and the fast chicane) at KY3
Button clutch
Tire Scrubbing (Some people actually are annoyed by others taking 40 minutes to wear tires down, no lie)
Using parts of the track to get a better run (AS2 mostly)

I'm personally OK with the last 2 but the first 4 seems pretty unsporting to me. Everyone will have their own opinions.

[DevilDare]

People who do cheat are just sad... It does not show you are fast, only that you are a pathetic and an unfair racer.

[zeromussov]

Just a small cut, I don't see the problem.

But seriously, lol.. this is pretty crazy. I hope he's proud of it :yipee:

The hotlap validator fails though, or should this be the new racing line? o/

[pik_d]

Joe I just looked at your hotlap, and you cut the fast chicane so that all four tires are on the green and two go over the middle sleeping policeman, then you do the same for the 2nd to last apex.

I don't see the difference between him cutting three times to your two really, both are doing something you'd never do in real life, just he did it better (more).

[libben]

So why not just Create a thread for every "cheating" WR and just bash the WR and the man who made it. And also, never give the guys credit for their WR.

Who wants a WR that everyone says is no good? I would'nt.

[Fox 2]

pik_d, good post, SO3 is the worst imo.

And, by the way, kart-36, you're guilty there too - XRG SO3 lap.

[kart-36]

pik_d, good post, SO3 is the worst imo.

And, by the way, kart-36, you're guilty there too - XRG SO3 lap.

Yeah, that was pretty bad, back when i was young :D
Dont worry, that will be changed :P

[Bmxtwins]

.....



Hitting the wall at SO3's final corner....
*cough* arox *cough* :D

[AMB]

*cough* arox *cough* :D

*cough* speedhacker *cough* noob *cough*

[rockclan]

*cough* speedhacker *cough* noob *cough*

*cough* Stop spamming random retarted shit. *cough* noob *cough*

[cargame.nl]

Ey girlies!

Got something for you;
http://s730.photobucket.com/albums/ww308/Litrolfs/kart-36/?action=view&current=de35acf0.pbw

Explain that :smileypul

Btw kart-36. You are a noob.
http://www.cargame.nl/forum/post336.html#p336

Cheers ;)

[andRo.]

You guys are funny. That's why I don't get the point of those hot laps. Tried it once, but didn't work well for me. There are lots of bugs, in South City you can hit the wall in many places etc.

The only thing I don't get, why are you so worried about it kart? Because you can't beat it? Just ignore it and people who are comparing LFS to RL. This is not real life, get over it.
Anyway, Litro (Criminal-Team) asked to post this, because he can't log in into lfsforum.net.
http://s730.photobucket.com/albums/ww308/Litrolfs/kart-36/?action=view&current=de35acf0.pbw

This looks even more funny now! :shy:


EDIT: NVM, someone was faster. :D

[Pilot X]

ey girlies!

Got something for you;
http://s730.photobucket.com/albums/ww308/litrolfs/kart-36/?action=view&current=de35acf0.pbw

explain that :smileypul

btw kart-36. You are a noob.
http://www.cargame.nl/forum/post336.html#p336

cheers ;)

[2]

[Jordan2007]

Ey girlies!

Got something for you;
http://s730.photobucket.com/albums/ww308/Litrolfs/kart-36/?action=view&current=de35acf0.pbw

Explain that :smileypul


Rallying Much?

[AMB]

*cough* Stop spamming random retarted shit. *cough* noob *cough*

Hmm you speedhacked too, you also look like alvin the ****ing chipmunk :D

now gtfo before you get a slap, remember to use protection at the kart meet, I know your boyfriend is there.

oh and you can't race for shit. (explains why you speedhacked and your boyfriend Arox uploaded that cheated WR on OVAL :D)

P.S hope someone does slap your chubby cheeks at the meet.

[pearcy_2k7]

Well Joe, i suppose your also an arse, it's only fair.

[PMD9409]

Haha, that picture gallery just made this thread!

[danthebangerboy]

Hmm you speedhacked too, you also look like alvin the ****ing chipmunk :D




Come on, lets be fair, what about simon and theodore? :razz:

[turbofreak]

Just cheating the WR stats, as usual, and found 'Criminal-team' uploaded HL on KY3 RB4.

I currently have WR, and i dont mind it being beaten but this is just crazy :S

If you look at T1, he just cuts the corner, surely this isnt allowed?

whine about Criminal-teams's hotlap when you are doing the same thing....:thumb:

[UnknownMaster21]

Hotlapping using only Reverse gear in KY1 :thumbsup:

[kart-36]

whine about Criminal-teams's hotlap when you are doing the same thing....:thumb:

I was talking about KY3, but meh, you got me :)
I surpose im just as bad, ill delete it :)

[cargame.nl]

Respect :thumb:

[kart-36]

Respect :thumb:

Back when i was young and 'I WANT ALL THE WR's' :D

Not now :)

[Seb66]

Back when i was young

How long was that ago? Yesterday:D?

[kart-36]

How long was that ago? Yesterday:D?

?

[xtraction]

How long was that ago? Yesterday:D?

high 5 sebsir!

[pearcy_2k7]

He grew a pube last week iirc, our boys growing up :weeping:

[kart-36]

He grew a pube last week iirc, our boys growing up :weeping:

:D Anyway, just wanted to no your guys views, so thats it! :)

Its done :P

[Criminal-Team]

Why should You delete that KY3R replay... Do you think that your KY3 replay is clean ? ...not so clean. And a lot of replays are not so clean, for example Kyoto Oval MRT-cutting turns. And KY3R T1 is cuted almost for every WR. So better save it and upload, coz a lot of drivers are driving dirty. :shrug:

[libben]

Just because others are ****ing retards doesnt mean you also should be one.


In my eyes it's only clean WR's that counts. I think Scawen and CO should get a group of people for checking out ppls WR's. Or just let us, the community send them a email with fixed subjecet so they actually will read it. And then we report when it's a bad WR that is uploaded. Pretty soon, no retarded WR's will be uploaded.

[e2mustang]

yeah like they care about wr's lol. anyway,who cares about wr's? that doesnt prove shit imo.

[Timo1992]

thats right, I also dont care about hotlaps and wr's

i am not fast on one flying lap so wouldnt make sense for me to try to get an wr, anyways I'm therefore faster in the race and more consistant. :)

[Rudy van Buren]

Just because others are ****ing retards doesnt mean you also should be one.


In my eyes it's only clean WR's that counts. I think Scawen and CO should get a group of people for checking out ppls WR's. Or just let us, the community send them a email with fixed subjecet so they actually will read it. And then we report when it's a bad WR that is uploaded. Pretty soon, no retarded WR's will be uploaded.

Not needed for the community to check it, the should just fix it for the next update from lfs that u cant cut the green stuf anymore etc. and just delete all WR's from every combo so we get a fresh start :tilt:

[Criminal-Team]

+1 Rudy ! :nod:
But when it gonna happen ... ? "Early 2009" ? :D

[Rudy van Buren]

Well with the scirocco the spoke about with 'xmas' but didnt say a year, so maby end 2010 :razz:?

[cargame.nl]

added Thu, Dec 11th, 2008 19:10
>Announcing VW Scirocco Hello LFS Racers.

We are pleased to announce that we plan to release the new VW Scirocco in Live for Speed during the week ending Friday 19th December.

If you'd like

Correct... The year isn't mentioned.

But...

added Mon, Dec 15th, 2008 17:30
>VW Scirocco postponed Hello Racers.

We are sorry to have to announce that the VW Scirocco will not be released this week as planned.

1.5 years has passed since...

It somehow is a bit odd.

(btw, I'm quoting from the LFS mainpage.)

[Rudy van Buren]

A well, lets stay on topic and not get another topic full of bashing towards the admins, it might not be nice that we still dont have the new content but i hope its worth the waiting :tilt:

[pearcy_2k7]

thats right, I also dont care about hotlaps and wr's

i am not fast on one flying lap so wouldnt make sense for me to try to get an wr, anyways I'm therefore faster in the race and more consistant. :)

How does not being fast over 1 lap make you faster and more consistant in a race?

[Timo1992]

How does not being fast over 1 lap make you faster and more consistant in a race?

I've seen many people having wr's and/or taking pole position in a league failing in the race afterwards.

That's what I mean. I rather drive one second slower but finish the race.

[L@gger]

Maybe he changed his hotlap but i dont know whats bad. He propably ruined his suspension to that level he could make new wr. Anyway it was - not + for him.

[menantoll]

pearcy_2k7 http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1423245#post1423245) How does not being fast over 1 lap make you faster and more consistant in a race?


As english isn't his first language I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he meant....

"I'm more consistant, therefore faster in the race"

[Keling]

If jumping on the sand of BL1 T2/3 is allowed, this is nothing. :shrug:

[bbman]

I've always said the HLVC is way too lenient (and most league rules as well, but that's not the topic)... The track is the tarmac between the white lines, and nothing else... If you position all four wheels on the outside of those lines for the purpose of gaining time, you should be punished - the lap should be invalid, an that's the end of it...

[Gener_AL (UK)]

White Lines (Dont Do it) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChjLMbXVrU)

But on a serious note I agree with bbman, Keeping two wheels on the track, inside the white lines is how I have always interpreted HLVC

[AndRand]

White Lines (Dont Do it) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChjLMbXVrU)

But on a serious note I agree with bbman, Keeping two wheels on the track, inside the white lines is how I have always interpreted HLVC
in most racing rules it is one side which means 2 wheels at least on white line:smileypul

[Criminal-Team]

Ky3 fxo :d

[fpveater9]

hey guys i was wondering if anyone new how to change a file into a DDS file

Would be great if someone could help thanx

[kaynd]

In my view, its just clear cutting :/
In my eyes this is clear cutting too. (see attachment)
And no this isnt "just a litle cut"... this gives you a clear speed advantage in the folowing wide turns.

[Rudy van Buren]

The should do the same as the FIA did in monaco aswell now, just add such high curbs on the green part that u go sky high if you hit them or damage your demping really bad....

or just make the chicane a proper chicane.....

[e2mustang]

or shut down lfsworld so no1 can cheat,not even those macroclutch babies. how about that?

[Criminal-Team]

or shut down lfsworld so no1 can cheat,not even those macroclutch babies. how about that?
Do You mean lfsworld site ? :smileypul And what about cheating when racing online ? :D

[e2mustang]

ye lfsworld site,and i dont think u will be jumping kerbs when racing for long :)

[kaynd]

So if your head is in pain, then just cut it. If this isn't what you are proposing, then what.

LFSworld provides usefull information and stats, without taking account hotlaps. Even the so hated hotlap list is a useful feature that can help at anytime someone know the level of competition at any given combo. So instead of jumping at once in a race, being all over the place, someone could study some hotlaps to learn some lines and know the apox speed he sould carry in varius corners. (not all hotlaps are unrealisticaly driven)
If used right, the ability to download some replays of fast laps, can save for a lot of frustration.

There are other ways to prohibit extreme cheating. HLVC is there for a reason. It could be easily set to make those laps invalid.
Button/macro clutch is not really that great of an advantage… and even this could be taken away just by limiting the maximum speed the clutch can be operated.

Anyway enough captain obvious statements on my behalf.

[traxxion]

Seriously, this shouldn't be a HLVC issue..? The physics just need updating, so that hitting the bumps with that speed will wreck your suspension to the extent that the car is undriveable, like it would in real life.

[kaynd]

Having realistic damage physics to that extent is way too difficult for now. Not because it’s impossible to calculate… but imagine what would happen on the slightest lag contact if cars chassis had realistic strength limits. It would be impossible to race at all.

Also road cars would definitely have problems going over those bumps, but I don’t think purpose built race cars would have that much of a problem. Those green areas are supposed to be for emergency run off… what’s the point for that space to exist if it doesn’t slow the car significantly but just destroys its suspension?

[traxxion]

Also road cars would definitely have problems going over those bumps, but I don’t think purpose built race cars would have that much of a problem. Those green areas are supposed to be for emergency run off… what’s the point for that space to exist if it doesn’t slow the car significantly but just destroys its suspension?
Not sure if I understand what you mean, but surely purpose-built race cars have such stiff suspension, they are actually much more vulnerable to those speed bumps, compared to road cars?
As for the green area; that's what I'm trying to say.. it should slow down the car significantly, but otherwise wreck the suspension . Look at the Monaco GP of last weekend.. or T1 at Monza.. you [I]can use the green area for emergency run off, but those "sleeping policemen" force you to brake so hard, that you actually lose time by doing it. The latter is not the case in LFS.

[kaynd]

Not sure if I understand what you mean, but surely purpose-built race cars have such stiff suspension, they are actually much more vulnerable to those speed bumps, compared to road cars?
Yes the stiff suspention makes things worse but purpose built racecars have a lot stronger/rigid chasis and suspention components.

you can use the green area for emergency run off, but those "sleeping policemen" force you to brake so hard, that you actually lose time by doing it.
That would be ideal. But I guess its difficult to have different friction constants for each sufrace in LFS track modeling engine. :( (Or it's just that current development progress rythm doesn't leave any room for this :ouch:)

[Criminal-Team]

Today discovered a new cutting place -FE2R(see attachments). :x Or maybe it is allowed ? :shrug:

[ChristijaNL]

I think with 2 wheels on the road or kerb , there is no problem.

[BlackEye]

:really:
They really need to rework hotlap validation and use those white lines as a border.
This is just silly.
Edit: Of course, it's not on high priority for them, I know.

[Vendetta]

:really:
They really need to rework hotlap validation and use those white lines as a border.
This is just silly.
Edit: Of course, it's not on high priority for them, I know.

lfs developers priority list :

1. wake up
2. look at forums
3. everyone still seems to be complaining
4. go back to sleep

[pik_d]

I think with 2 wheels on the road or kerb , there is no problem.
Yeah, the white lines mean nothing in HLVC.

[NickC]

It's the same for everybody, sometimes i don't understand what the fuzz is about.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I think with 2 wheels on the road or kerb , there is no problem.

As the man said. 2 wheels on a kerb is okay for HLVC. Of course, some people might say the white lines should be taken for HLVC, but this is a deep debate, a lot deeper than the problem of making a fair hotlap system in an online simulator. If you see in real life, kerbs are getting larger and larger so people can actually go 4 wheels on them on some tracks, and this often creates a lot of discussion on whether it should be allowed or not.

It's the same for everybody, sometimes i don't understand what the fuzz is about.

The problem is that HLCV is very forgiving on some tracks, therefore people have to do auto-moderation in order to figure out whether they should upload their hotlap or not.

For example, hitting the wall at 150 kph at the penultimate corner of so3r will still make your hotlap legal HLVC wise. Does this mean you should upload it? It's clear that your lap is against the spirit of the rules, therefore I personnally do not think it'd be fair to upload it.

This example is a lot stronger than Criminal-Team's, but in the end I pretty much think it sum-up the whole problem with HLVC.

[L@gger]

As we are racing (finding the ideal line) I think its stupid to limit those things. Ofcourse it would be nice if things what you cant do in rl would be limited (hiting wall, driving on bump at KY should damage your suspension or tyres/rims more)

[NickC]

Have to agree with you a bit greybull. Good point on the wallhitting. Hate that ;)

[logitekg25]

i think it should go something like if you hit a wall and if the wall wasnt there you would go off the track, then it shouldnt count. but about the curb issue; i think that the curbs should count if its only 2 wheels. any more then that, and it shouldnt count. they are part of the track, but should not be used to gain a time advantage.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

i think it should go something like if you hit a wall and if the wall wasnt there you would go off the track, then it shouldnt count. but about the curb issue; i think that the curbs should count if its only 2 wheels. any more then that, and it shouldnt count. they are part of the track, but should not be used to gain a time advantage.

In theory, whenever you hit a wall, it means that you would have gone off the track if the wall wasn't there...;)

IMHO wall-hitting should be no-go on hotlap, no matters the circumstances. It's impossible to "allow only small brushes" or this kind of compromises, otherwise there's always gonna be controversy and people pretending that "my hotlap should be valid, as I hit the wall less hard than X whose hotlap is legal", etc.

[logitekg25]

well if you just barely tap a wall in a way that if it wasnt there a curb would have allowed you to stay on track :shrug:

and yeah but what if you literally just scraped a wall with a mirror, or something similar :scratchch

[The Very End]

IMO:
Two wheels on track, even if the curb is big enough for 4. Not two wheels on track - invalid.

Any contact with wall - invalid.

If not it will just be a mass hysteria and discussion every time if the tap is "ok" or not "ok".

[Criminal-Team]

LOL ! :D Today watched KY3R XFG, XRG, LX4 WR hotlaps on hotlap analyser. :D

[cargame.nl]

This epic thread is still alive! :shy:

Can somebody send me a good button clutch script?

Thanks :smileypul

WR drivers.. Ppff...

[GreyBull [CHA]]

This epic thread is still alive! :shy:

Can somebody send me a good button clutch script?

Thanks :smileypul

WR drivers.. Ppff...

Button clutch is so much 2008... Now, to hunt WRs with style, put on your brand new speedh4x:smileypul

[kart-36]

This epic thread is still alive! :shy:

Can somebody send me a good button clutch script?

Thanks :smileypul

WR drivers.. Ppff...

Pfftt, you want that Macro shizz :P Aparently thats the stuff :)

[cargame.nl]

Apparently yes.. Apparently...

You never used it to set WR's of course. :Looking_a :x

[kart-36]

Apparently yes.. Apparently...

You never used it to set WR's of course. :Looking_a :x

What you mean? :P

[Rudy van Buren]

dont need scripts for it, you can fix it in logitech profiler within 2 minuts :x

[Wilko868]

dont need scripts for it, you can fix it in logitech profiler within 2 minuts :x
Thanks for revealing that, Rudy.:razz:

Not like many didn't know it was such an easy task mind...

[NickC]

Never use anything to set a WR.

When i like a combo, i do some laps and try to beat the best lap. Why not? why always the hate against "hotlappers"?

It's the cheaters (speedhax etc) who ruin it.

And about the cutting at ky etc. Just do the damn same and beat the guy at the 8 other (without cutting) corners at the combo. Damn.

Oh and about that "macro". Like rudy says. It's so easy to set it up. Alot of fast guys used it in the hotlapleague. Always the same people though.

It works shit and i never use it to set a wr. But for example in the hotlapleague i just used the "macro" for the Blackwood combo, because everybody was using it. What do you expect? Just beat the ****ers at it.

[kart-36]

Never use anything to set a WR.

When i like a combo, i do some laps and try to beat the best lap. Why not? why always the hate against "hotlappers"?

It's the cheaters (speedhax etc) who ruin it.

And about the cutting at ky etc. Just do the damn same and beat the guy at the 8 other (without cutting) corners at the combo. Damn.

Oh and about that "macro". Like rudy says. It's so easy to set it up. Alot of fast guys used it in the hotlapleague. Always the same people though.

It works shit and i never use it to set a wr. But for example in the hotlapleague i just used the "macro" for the Blackwood combo, because everybody was using it. What do you expect? Just beat the ****ers at it.

Yeah, i think we both no who the regular users of macro are ;D

[manneF1]

I have respect to Azza and other hotlappers, I had WR for one day, and I was extremely happy about it, but it got beated 0.03 on next day. So? Life goes on, hotlaping dont mean anything, but its fun sometimes. I dont see a reason why someone would say "pfff, hotlapper, u suck" I have huge respect to these guys when I see their awesome laps.

[Criminal-Team]

What is that macro ?

[kart-36]

What is that macro ?

Basically button clutch

[NickC]

Yes button clutch.

But it's automaticly so you dont have to do anything and win time easy. In multiplayer nobody will see it, so all the guys are using it. But when you upload a lap everybody can see you used it, so thats why most of them dont do it in a hotlap.

[NickC]

Ok, i'll try to explain. The same as i got it explained i while ago.

Go to LFS. Set clutch to manual clutch. Assign your clutch to a button on your wheel.

Go to profiler --> go to your shifter pedals --> go to select assignment (? english?) and press NEW assignment. Call it whatever you want, i recommend shift down and shift up :).

Go to options and tick the box with Pauses. Press ok. Press record and press your buttonclutch and shifterpedal together. Press ok. Make sure the clutch is the first one.

Start LFS and it's done. You are now doing an automatic manual shift :P (wtf).

[arco]

Why copy it? Wouldn't it be better to choose not to do it, and keep your self-respect and the respect others have for you? You say people are regulary using it online? That means they use it in leagues as well? Shame on them then.

[Gener_AL (UK)]

Why copy it? Wouldn't it be better to choose not to do it, and keep your self-respect and the respect others have for you? You say people are regulary using it online? That means they use it in leagues as well? Shame on them then.

:thumb:

Using this exploit/profiler setting takes the "skill" out of it, the "reward", the whole "point" of using manual.

[NickC]

Well tbh, i'm quite sure they do.

I never did though. Believe what you want :)

If you are in a league, and one guy is using it. What should you do when nobody does anything against it? Just lose? Or beat them at the same?

Difficult ;).

The devs should just make the shifttime the same.

[troy]

Can't understand that statement either, "everybody" does it so I do it too, what kind of argument is that please? It wouldn't feel right for me if I knew I didn't beat the guy behind me fair and square.

[NickC]

Also,

another "cheat?" people don't know about.

Everybody is downloading setups nowadays. From LFSW. So al your hard work you put in a setup is wasted, because people can just download it. And then i don't mean by just looking at the analyzer. I mean just downloading the replay and let a program convert into a LFS file.

I found out there are a bunch of people who dont know about this.

[NickC]

Can't understand that statement either, "everybody" does it so I do it too, what kind of argument is that please? It wouldn't feel right for me if I knew I didn't beat the guy behind me fair and square.

Yes but what if you are p2, and you want to be p1 and you know the p1 guy just beat you because he uses the profiler thing.

I don't like it, but, also in the hotlapleague we decided to allow it to provide the most level playingfield.

[manneF1]

IMO, in league racing, all should use button clutch or no one, that makes it even to everyone:shrug:

In public racing, I dont care if someone uses/dont use button clutch

Oh, and im not sure about it, but button clutch dont make you faster on all cars?

[NickC]

IMO, in league racing, all should use button clutch or no one, that makes it even to everyone:shrug:

In public racing, I dont care if someone uses/dont use button clutch

Oh, and im not sure about it, but button clutch dont make you faster on all cars?

Correct. Some cars have sequential box. ( i think :P )

[manneF1]

Correct. Some cars have sequential box. ( i think :P )

Hm, BF1, XRR, FXR, XFR, Fo8 and FOX have sequential (?)

[NickC]

Hm, BF1, XRR, FXR, XFR, Fo8 and FOX have sequential (?)

Jep think so, so its mostly the xfg, xrg, rb4, xrt, fxo, rac etc.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Depends also of the track, you'll have a smaller advantage on the tracks where you don't have to shift often(like Westhill for instance).

[manneF1]

I havnt have clue, how this button clutch works. I know how its set up, but how it makes you faster. Does it just make the gear change faster?

[NickC]

I havnt have clue, how this button clutch works. I know how its set up, but how it makes you faster. Does it just make the gear change faster?

Yes

[AMB]

The downloading of WR sets is OLD, there was Phlos' setup pack which most teams have and there is another way I'm sure you know, but it can't be 'leaked'.

[kart-36]

Also,

another "cheat?" people don't know about.

Everybody is downloading setups nowadays. From LFSW. So al your hard work you put in a setup is wasted, because people can just download it. And then i don't mean by just looking at the analyzer. I mean just downloading the replay and let a program convert into a LFS file.

I found out there are a bunch of people who dont know about this.

Yes, now that is very annoying, that used to stop me HL'ing, but now i just dont mind, if they want to steal it, they can :P

[GreyBull [CHA]]

The downloading of WR sets is OLD, there was Phlos' setup pack which most teams have and there is another way I'm sure you know, but it can't be 'leaked'.

Phlos' pack is gettng a bit old too TBH.

[NickC]

The downloading of WR sets is OLD, there was Phlos' setup pack which most teams have and there is another way I'm sure you know, but it can't be 'leaked'.

It can't be leaked :S? why not?

If i can download a set everybody should be able to do that.

Edit: oh no i can't. Read this.


What Is It
LSSE is a standalone version of Phlos' LFSW setup extractor & packer that worked for some time on http://setup.phlos.com/ re-written in Ruby and licensed as free software under GNU General Public License. This means that anyone is free to distribute and/or modify it under GNU terms. This being said, there are a few guidelines which developer and LFS developers ask of users:
- LSSE should not be posted directly in the LFS Forum (requested by Vic) to avoid any arguments over are setups intellectual property of the makers and is what this tool does wrong.
- LSSE shouldn't be made into an online version of the tool (even though the source code is inside the LSSE.rb file) because such a tool would also go against LFS developers wishes.
Possible consequences for you to ponder: if LSSE is posted in LFS Forum or made into an online version of the tool like it was once before, LFS developers will change the SPR file headers rendering this tool (and many other Replay analyzers) useless.

[kart-36]

It can't be leaked :S? why not?

If i can download a set everybody should be able to do that.

Edit: oh no i can't. Read this.


What Is It
LSSE is a standalone version of Phlos' LFSW setup extractor & packer that worked for some time on http://setup.phlos.com/ re-written in Ruby and licensed as free software under GNU General Public License. This means that anyone is free to distribute and/or modify it under GNU terms. This being said, there are a few guidelines which developer and LFS developers ask of users:
- LSSE should not be posted directly in the LFS Forum (requested by Vic) to avoid any arguments over are setups intellectual property of the makers and is what this tool does wrong.
- LSSE shouldn't be made into an online version of the tool (even though the source code is inside the LSSE.rb file) because such a tool would also go against LFS developers wishes.
Possible consequences for you to ponder: if LSSE is posted in LFS Forum or made into an online version of the tool like it was once before, LFS developers will change the SPR file headers rendering this tool (and many other Replay analyzers) useless.


Oh :P
I was just about to post a link :P

[AMB]

Yeah I know what that is, I just thought it was meant to be kept a secret.... anyway it doesn't effect me whether it's here or not because it has nothing to do with me in any way, when I got told about that, I was told not to tell anyone so that's why I said it can't be 'leaked'

[NickC]

Yeah I know what that is, I just thought it was meant to be kept a secret.... anyway it doesn't effect me whether it's here or not because it has nothing to do with me in any way.

No but it's just. Some people know it, some don't. The same with the profiler thing. Thats just a bit, imo, weird. Make it the same for everybody, or don't make it :P.

[AMB]

I agree, but the way it normally is, the so called 'top teams' get all the advantages of knowing things such as these and the other teams are just left wondering, although I doubt it would make much difference because the top teams are top for a reason... they have the best drivers....

[kart-36]

no but it's just. Some people know it, some don't. The same with the profiler thing. Thats just a bit, imo, weird. Make it the same for everybody, or don't make it :p.

+1

[GreyBull [CHA]]

No but it's just. Some people know it, some don't. The same with the profiler thing. Thats just a bit, imo, weird. Make it the same for everybody, or don't make it :P.

Yea, anyway, everyone willing to get a WR set can get it on LFSW with the Hotlap Analyser, just take more time... So the tool only makes everyone's life easier(at least, nowadays, was a different business before the Hotlpa Analiser's release of course, would have seen a problem back then), can't see anything wrong with that.

[kart-36]

;1463376']Yea, anyway, everyone willing to get a WR set can get it on LFSW with the Hotlap Analyser, just take more time... So the tool only makes everyone's life easier(at least, nowadays, was a different business before the Hotlpa Analiser's release of course, would have seen a problem back then), can't see anything wrong with that.

But with hotlap analyser you carnt get cambers and pressures and all that lot, only gears and suspension :/

[NickC]

;1463376']Yea, anyway, everyone willing to get a WR set can get it on LFSW with the Hotlap Analyser, just take more time... So the tool only makes everyone's life easier(at least, nowadays, was a different business before the Hotlpa Analiser's release of course, would have seen a problem back then), can't see anything wrong with that.

A bit true, but since we can not get every data from the analyzer. It's not completly the same.

Edit. Joe just said it aswell :P

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Didn't know that, sorry.

[kart-36]

;1463382']Didn't know that, sorry.

:)

[vourliotis]

http://www.setupgrid.net/1/setup/hotlap/get/LX6@BL1
Here is a WR set. Go and take it :P

I dont know how you can get a setup from a .spr file, but i do know that a WR set is not enough to make a WR :)

P.S Joe, is that you at your avatar? :P
(i miss baby ufr practise days)

[kart-36]

http://www.setupgrid.net/1/setup/hotlap/get/LX6@BL1
Here is a WR set. Go and take it :P

I dont know how you can get a setup from a .spr file, but i do know that a WR set is not enough to make a WR :)

P.S Joe, is that you at your avatar? :P
(i miss baby ufr practise days)

Haha no its not :P

An yeah, shame it closed :(

[ChristijaNL]

The devs should just make the shifttime the same.

Can anyone explain why they don't do this?

[GeForz]

because they have to fix the color of the interior light in the uf1.


seriously: scawen can explain it but he won't

[kart-36]

How the hell are we surposed to compete with people cutting that final turn of KY3r?, its just stupid. I blame pecholobo as he stated it all xD

[vourliotis]

by doing the same o_O

[zeugnimod]

by doing the same o_O

I guess there are some people left who like to keep it fair. ;)

[NickC]

Whats more fair?

1 guy who can cut the track more then others and get away with it?

Or everybody can cut the track the same amount and get away with it?

Zeug :D?

[vourliotis]

Yes zeugnimod but you can't be fair at KY3/KY3R, ages now ( "S" cut, you see).
Maybe next months we see HLVC fixed that issue.

P.S I agree with NickC.

[sjava]

How the hell are we surposed to compete with people cutting that final turn of KY3r?, its just stupid. I blame pecholobo as he stated it all xD


Well,you could do the same or you could just be smarter than the ones who are cutting that turn,by not cutting it

[zeugnimod]

Whats more fair?

1 guy who can cut the track more then others and get away with it?

Or everybody can cut the track the same amount and get away with it?

Zeug :D?

Both is equally unfair. :razz:

I'm not a hotlapper but I would feel bad if I stepped as low as the cheaters and got the WR by cutting. :shrug:

[ErAri]

We have the same oportunities. If a driver is clean, he will do the lap "clean". If another driver wants the WR, he will do the lap "dirty". It´s easy.

[Criminal-Team]

Wait for the new patch in early 2010 :razz:

[hp999]

Wait... 2010?:Looking_a

[Demon Illidan]

*Caught* *Laugh* *Caught*

If Devs can finish a patch on 2010 , that could be so nice !
But I know that they have alot of job to do , and they dont want to release a patch that there will have alot or problems "Wtf is that !?!" "How the car is working" "Why my car dont want to start ?" or w/e , lol .

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Wait for the new patch in early 2010 :razz:

You mean 2009 dear sir.

[GeForz]

He obvioulsy meant 2100 and just accidentally switeched the 1 and the 0