Round 5: Race Discussion

[dekojester]

zomg Fern Bay. Was I nuts when I made the schedule ? Make it clean folks !

You got a few weeks to prepare. :thumbsup:

[Tomhah]

Yes, you was! :D^^
Nah, it'll be fun :P

[Seb66]

epic curbage

[Deutschland2007]

epic curbage

Nah, there is actually only one that makes me roll if I catch it wrong, all others are fine, even in XRR.:D

[z-ro 8]

Yes, you is! :D^^
Nah, it'll be fun :P


corrected :thumb:

[Tomhah]

:d

[IMOL]

The overtakin' gonna be something hardcore here!

[three_jump]

Overtaking will be close to impossible, not even speaking of the curbs and the chicane after T1 which will cause epic carnage once the first car of a group hits the tire stacks...

Rest might be fun :p

[Hahmo]

I can imagine 30+ cars going through T1 and Chicane after the start. :nod:

[scotty2888]

I can imagine 30+ cars going through T1 and Chicane after the start. :nod:

Some going through sideways, some going through backwards, some on two wheels.......................... :D

[Hahmo]

"... Took the wrong route."

how many, any bets :tilt:

[N!ghtm@re]

I guess there will be 3 "took the wrong route" and 4 "Safety Car" periods....

[Deutschland2007]

I guess there will be 3 "took the wrong route" and 4 "Safety Car" periods....

and 5 barell rolls from FXR and XRR entries :D

[MoMo92i]

hum...you know last season we raced in Fern Bay Black...there was no "wrong route" no carnage in 1st lap and no epic carnage in the deadly chicane. Only few teams had given up so don't think it will be necessary a carnage.

[Tomhah]

But I didnt drive at FE last year.:shy:

haha, jk (well, I dont, because I didnt :P xD)

[MoMo92i]

lawl :p be careful of Tommy !

[prOmo_LTU]

This will be interesting! But i think most of all would agree that FXRs should pwn there :) We'll try to deal with our XRR somehow,God help us....

[N!ghtm@re]

But i think most of all would agree that FXRs should pwn there

HM I don't see that yet. Actually im much faster in FZR and XRR than in FXR :)

Maybe it's just me........

[Hahmo]

1.16.1 should be fastest :P around that

[MoMo92i]

1.15.8 or 9 are possible...

[Hahmo]

I cant think of under 1.16. You should be so much faster in the 2nd split that it seems like impossible :O

.. And then pierre comes and shows that impossible can be possible :X

[RudolfR]

I cant think of under 1.16. You should be so much faster in the 2nd split that it seems like impossible :O

.. And then pierre comes and shows that impossible can be possible :X

Not only Pierre, Rudy proved it also

[MoMo92i]

Fege?

[Fege]

No, my TB is 1.16.20 with FXR, havent tried r2s at the front though :)

[tmehlinger]

No, my TB is 1.16.20 with FXR, havent tried r2s at the front though :)

:bananadea

^^^ reenactment of running FXR on R2s

[theodinho29]

1.15 isn't possible for me ;)

[N!ghtm@re]

My pb ini FZR is 1:16.14
So I think 1:15.xx should be possible......

[Fege]

:bananadea

^^^ reenactment of running FXR on R2s


Hehe yes, but for a qualify r2s is the shit :thumb: 1.15s is going to be hard with FXR I guess.

[candyslokes]

A race on this track with 20+ cars is going to be crazy. I bet there will be at least 10 serious crashes within the first 15 minutes :D and at least 7 safety cars throughout the entire race :D.

Not to mention lapping cars on this short, fast track ... omg .... PURE INSANITY ... Bring on the Carnage :schwitz:

[Drift King CZ]

So Tommy drives for CoRe?

[racer hero]

No, we just put his name on our skin for lolz. :nod:

[Hahmo]

This is mostly to related deko and admins:

Maximum racing confirmed their team to this round, but they're 2nd on the waiting list and we are ahead of them (JI Racing) as first in the waiting list.

So im asking why did they confirm? Were they asked to or didnt they just know that they are still in the waiting list

[J@tko]

I'm assuming it's because they wanted to let us know that they are available for the round, should they be called up :)

[dekojester]

We'll do the same then..

Actually I ignore waiting list teams that confirm. Technically that shows me that there is a non-understanding of the rules and what the confirmations thread is. Waiting list teams are not notified until after the deadline for confirmations.

[MoMo92i]

so T7R is out :o

[Flingoko]

i guess that means that we are leading the championship?

Woohuu :D

[dekojester]

i guess that means that we are leading the championship?

Woohuu :D

Not technically yet, you'll have to outscore them in this round to get ahead first. They've withdrawn future participation in the season, so they're still in the official points table. You gotta work for the lead :razz:

[Flingoko]

Not technically yet, you'll have to outscore them in this round to get ahead first. They've withdrawn future participation in the season, so they're still in the official points table. You gotta work for the lead :razz:

dammit:Looking_a

[Hahmo]

Btw, i suppose the Green Flag will be on the main straight?

[Drift King CZ]

Well, the other straight might be safer since there are not that dangerous turns after it but I guess it will be the normal anyway.

[Deutschland2007]

Well, the other straight might be safer since there are not that dangerous turns after it but I guess it will be the normal anyway.

But it has the best gravel trap of the whole track on it, if you don´t get stuck in T1, you get stuck there.

[dekojester]

I haven't decided yet if the start will be on another straight or at the normal one. Will decide before the drivers' briefing thread is up.

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[Deutschland2007]

I noticed that here are some admin placed objects in the 1st chicane after T1. I suppose that you will get a DT in the race if you knock them over too often?

[Mr.46]

Can Vision Racing confirm them for Rnd 5, if 3 teams can't make it? And btw, what was our number? :shy:

[Hahmo]

Can Vision Racing confirm them for Rnd 5, if 3 teams can't make it? And btw, what was our number? :shy:
Obviously you can if there isnt enough confirmed teams and you will be asked to? :really:

And the number will be 38 i'd say because thats the number you get when adding the full-time teams + waiting list teams.

[dekojester]

Can Vision Racing confirm them for Rnd 5, if 3 teams can't make it? And btw, what was our number? :shy:

We will inform you if you need to confirm.

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[Deutschland2007]

I noticed that here are some admin placed objects in the 1st chicane after T1. I suppose that you will get a DT in the race if you knock them over too often?

so?

[tmehlinger]

Breaking news, you get in trouble if you cut the chicane. :razz:

[Deutschland2007]

Breaking news, you get in trouble if you cut the chicane. :razz:

Well, that´s bad actually, because it´s very hard to not hit them imo :schwitz:

[dekojester]

In qualie, I won't watch for cutting.

In race, if you do it persistently, and scatter tyres and shite all over the track, I'll first ask you to stop, then perhaps DT.

[pik_d]

Also if you keep scattering tires everyone will hate you and you may end up dead, so there's also that.

[manneF1]

Well, im not expecting anything too much for this race, because I was asked to drive in wednesday, still after that, because im been practising pretty hard, and other guys of my team makes great race, top ten is very possible!

[Flingoko]

35 : 00

#17 overtake #04 under SC lap

This was caused by the car laying on the roof. #17 was concentrating avoiding a crash. We gave room to #04 to overtake. But we did not mean to overtake..

[Mroziu]

Looks to me like your car got a lag hit from the tyre stack re-forming. No penalty.
I know decisions are final but I have to disagree - I hit a tire rolling slowly on track behind normal tire wall - this for 1000% wasn't tires reforming.

[CSF]

I know decisions are final but I have to disagree - I hit a tire rolling slowly on track behind normal tire wall - this for 1000% wasn't tires reforming.

Well it might show that from YOUR replay, just like it showed me hitting a magical cone at KY3 in MoE, but from mine I see you taking off from nothing where the stack would usually be, just like me spinning on nothing at KY3. It happens. :thumb:

[Mroziu]

Forgot about server replay may be different. Thanks for clearing up :thumb:

[Deutschland2007]

I wanted to apologize to anyone I (30 D.Engel) have crashed into in the pacecar periods. Especially to IRM #31 because I gave them a hard hit up the backside when I tried to press my push to talk button.:(

[BurnOut69]

That was some big ass wrecking with 1.23 to go!! :Looking_a

[Tomhah]

oh yeah, great.

[Damion1972]

Thanks for the funny race action.
It was a nice expirience to drive in the GTAL.
And the live administration works realy fine hope I can do some more races here.

[xtraction]

This is ****ing bollocks.

[Deutschland2007]

113 lap
#30 and #35
#30 had a blue flag and wont let us pass, causing us to lose few places because didnt give room and went very wide

You should check the tracker mate :thumb: We always got blue flag because we didn´t do the warm-up lap as we started from the pitlane. :nod:

[Mustangman759]

This is ****ing bollocks.
nice fail sean LLM beats you in ovals and now GT touring :monkey:

[Drift King CZ]

Engine damage, but still had some fight...

[PMD9409]

The insults after race are truely hilarious.

[Bmxtwins]

Good race all

[N!ghtm@re]

OMG spun on the bridge 10 mins before the end because of tyre warming....
Never thought something like that could happen to me :(

[Flingoko]

That was one weird race :Looking_a

from 16th to 1th and back to 16th and then 8th?

And take a look at the screenshot i took :razz:

[Hahmo]

From 8th to 26th.
From 26th to 7th (i guess)
From 7th to 15th.
From 15th to 7th.
Huh? Good race afterall :)

[sjoblom]

I wanted to apologize to anyone I (30 D.Engel) have crashed into in the pacecar periods. Especially to IRM #31 because I gave them a hard hit up the backside when I tried to press my push to talk button.:(

Accepted mate :thumb:
No wonder its forbidden to talk in cellphones while driving in many countries ... in Sweden it ain't, so IRM is talking while driving without any hesitations :razz:

Thanks for a GREAT event on LFS all racers and admins :thumb:

[gacek1]

does somebody saved replay? because i would like to watch it :thumb:

[Mustangman759]

same :D

[boothy]

same :D

Yeah do like you did in the GT3 event and download it from someone else :really:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

1. I tried to overtake left and i didn't expect you would brake that early!

Cold tyres perhaps?

May I say, it's the responsability of the guy behind to not make any silly move and wait for the best moment to pass... Certainly not the responsability of the driver behind to park safely to let pass the guy behind:rolleyes:

I DID NOT TRY TO PUNT YOU OFF! WHY DO YOU THINK THIS? I PREFER TO GET ON THE PODIUM AND NOT TO TRY TO PUNT OFF A FXR-TANK WITH MY FZR?!

I don't know. This was just a feeling. Seeing how fast you get agressive I'm sure you wouldve been able to do such a thing.

2. Your driver called me stupid words, even. So don't overstate it. (Using ironic words)

We're like that. When we get agressed, we prefer to use some irony rather than foul words or whatever. Looks much more clean isn't it;)

So why do you think you are something better than us?
(You were shitty slow.. -- If I am allowed to say that)

Hey, we did 4th after starting from the pitlane. Yea we weren't that fast. But speed is so much overrated, consistance is all:thumb:


Anyway, this is not the first time I get problems with Snogard, while I'm a fair and friendly guy (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=65151) and like to stay out of trouble... Just saying;)

[Hahmo]

You should check the tracker mate :thumb: We always got blue flag because we didn´t do the warm-up lap as we started from the pitlane. :nod:

Youre correct here :) Sorry for this, at that time was too exited to watch the tracker, you know.. :P

Still though you couldve watchout more (?) Our driver said that there was no reason for that sort of driving.

[PMD9409]

;1399161']...while I'm a fair and friendly guy (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=65151) and like to stay out of trouble... Just saying;)

Seeing your reactions after many races, it's silly that you had that many votes... Just saying.

As soon as chat was open you started to insult the Snogard team, then any reply he would have (none of which was insulting at the time) you returned with mocking remarks and more insults. Then once the driver for Snogard started to reply back more frequently, your team mate joins in to tell him to shutup and insults him some more. Reading that chat made me think I was hearing kids argue in the playground.

So no, I do not see where your "fair and friendly" status comes from, most likely from just telling the mindless kids of LFSForum to vote for you, once again... Just saying. :thumb:

[Bmxtwins]

Seeing your reactions after many races, it's silly that you had that many votes... Just saying.

As soon as chat was open you started to insult the Snogard team, then any reply he would have (none of which was insulting at the time) you returned with mocking remarks and more insults. Then once the driver for Snogard started to reply back more frequently, your team mate joins in to tell him to shutup and insults him some more. Reading that chat made me think I was hearing kids argue in the playground.

So no, I do not see where your "fair and friendly" status comes from, most likely from just telling the mindless kids of LFSForum to vote for you, once again... Just saying. :thumb:

I don't think Yann was that mean to him..

[StableX]

Despite the two ridiculous starts and crashes, thanks for the racing everyone. Had fun....... Thanks Deko and team for putting it on.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Seeing your reactions after many races, it's silly that you had that many votes... Just saying.

As soon as chat was open you started to insult the Snogard team, then any reply he would have (none of which was insulting at the time) you returned with mocking remarks and more insults. Then once the driver for Snogard started to reply back more frequently, your team mate joins in to tell him to shutup and insults him some more. Reading that chat made me think I was hearing kids argue in the playground.

So no, I do not see where your "fair and friendly" status comes from, most likely from just telling the mindless kids of LFSForum to vote for you, once again... Just saying. :thumb:

Well. Was about to go to bed but I realised that, somehow, I had still enough self-respect to not let someone exterior of the whole scene make me look like a moron. Especially since I've always, always, always made everything to try to be fair and kind with anyone out there.


So back to you Mr. Diaz. Do you at least know what incident involved me and Snogard?

Basically, it was Snogard, trying to dive on the outside of T1 at a restart, braking like if they were restarting, at 8 minutes to go, while there simply was no place for them. They almost took me out with that move, but fortunately, only touched my rear bumper slightly before going to the gravel.

I did nothing dangerous or illegal during that move. I changed my line once during the straight, and then, came back on the racing line for the braking point.

I do know, Mr. Diaz, from my own experience I have of yourself(from what I've seen on various streams at least) that you would've done exactly the same as me. Defending your position, and then, taking back your line for the next corner.

I was angry about the incident after it happened, yea, because it could have had severe consequences in my race. But I kinda forgot it a few minutes later, and would have had never mentionned this incident in any form of chat or discussion, if no one would have reminded me of it.


After the race, the Snogard driver approaches me after the race and tell me, if I recall correctly, to "learn to race and be careful".


Now, I have a sincere question for you, Mr Diaz: After 1h50 of intense racing, marked of stressful cautions period and a red flag, one of your opponent, who almost took you off several laps before the chequered flag, approaches you and offense you. What would you have replied to him?

Personnally I had the feeling that I only had two options: either I left the server without speaking to him(I would have then looked like an unpolite person, and even a pussy for some more people), or try to answer him(with a not so better result as you see: a pathetic argument). I chose the latter.

Mr Diaz, have you ever tried to reply in a calm and polite manner to someone(obviously on fault) trying to offend you? Do you have any idea how difficult that is at least, before flaming me publicly?

Yes, I'm an human, and I have feelings too. Obviously, excepting me to react calmly and politely in that situation was just too much, sorry. So, I automatically got rude and sarcastic while replying to him. Which is certainly not so much severe comparing to the language some people have on this forum for example.


At last: have you raced against me so frequently? I don't think so. How can you pretend that you've seen my reaction after many races... I don't understand. Especially since I've always, always tried to keep my nose clean at almost any single situation.

Oh, and I just realised the most pathetic quote of your rant... "So no, I do not see where your "fair and friendly" status comes from, most likely from just telling the mindless kids of LFSForum to vote for you, once again..." What a shame, seriously, Mr. Diaz... First of all, haven't you realised in my post, in that thread, that I pointed out the fact that a few other guys would have deserved to be nominated too... Is that really the typical behaviour of the typical egoistic moron? What are you refeering to with the "once again" part, also?


Really, you're truely disgusting me, Mr Diaz. Not so long ago, I thought you were one of the only worthy clean and devoted racers around. I realised in only a few weeks that in fact, you were some guy not only thinking and arguing that wrecking is an oval racing technique but also a person enjoying flamming others for no proper reason... I don't have the feeling that yourself, in the end, are more worthy than the mindless kids of LFSForum you are refeering to.

[xtraction]

Yann, you just made me speechless.

Great English BTW! :nod:

[Seb66]

That race was epic win

[boothy]

Imma leave this here.

Jonathan Palmer:Session Complete. Chat Open.
21 M. Schnieders:30 Y. Laprevotte - damn, go practising offline and stop crashing
30 Y. Laprevotte:21 M. Schnieders - Damn, learn to stop being so agressive
21 M. Schnieders:30 Y. Laprevotte - just pressing me into grass... very fair
30 Y. Laprevotte:21 M. Schnieders - Just trying to punt me off in the gravel... Very fair
21 M. Schnieders:30 Y. Laprevotte - what??
30 Y. Laprevotte:21 M. Schnieders - But oh yea! Youre from Snogard! Nevermind ;)
21 M. Schnieders:30 Y. Laprevotte - what's your problem
30 Y. Laprevotte:21 M. Schnieders - My problem is that you cant be bothered to make sence
30 Y. Laprevotte:and you cant be bothered to act like a clean racer either
30 Y. Laprevotte:and you cant be bothered, aswell as your teammates, to stop causing pointless drama
21 M. Schnieders:30 Y. Laprevotte - i am one of the cleanest here, you don't know ma
37 M.Kings:LOL
30 Y. Laprevotte:LOL
34 S. Cattell:LOL

[z-ro 8]

;1399222']*snip..

Which is why real racing is better......that way after the race you can punch someone right in the face.

[pik_d]

;1399222']
Basically, it was Snogard, trying to dive on the outside of T1 at a restart, braking like if they were restarting, at 8 minutes to go, while there simply was no place for them. They almost took me out with that move, but fortunately, only touched my rear bumper slightly before going to the gravel.

I did nothing dangerous or illegal during that move. I changed my line once during the straight, and then, came back on the racing line for the braking point.
When you braked you were still moving left, across/into M. Schnieders' braking line. In braking zones cars get closer together, and when you are already nose to tail like that you can't brake into his lane, contact is going to be made.

If you had braked straight everything would have been fine (except maybe he would have passed you, but that's neither here nor there).


Schnieders was wrong though, offline practice wont help poor racecraft.

[N!ghtm@re]

I dont know if there is any sense in it
But Im complaining about the DT I got because of the incident with car #19 on lap 5.
He can't try to pass me there !!!
And if you watch it at slowmotion I was still infront of him at the entry of the turn and I tried to stay on the left side even I don't had to.....

It was not a mistake by me at all
If anything it might be a racing incident but I think it was car #19 fault.......

[BigTime]

30 Y. Laprevotte:21 M. Schnieders - My problem is that you cant be bothered to make sence
30 Y. Laprevotte:and you cant be bothered to act like a clean racer either
30 Y. Laprevotte:and you cant be bothered, aswell as your teammates, to stop causing pointless drama


Considering I don't really even keep up with LFS, yet I keep getting links from people with you doing exactly what your accusing Mr. Schnieders to be doing, I'd say you might want to try keeping your own drama to own self...

That is, if you don't want it shoveled back in your face........... Or is it too late for that?

In your defense, I got a good laugh out of your unknowledgeable BS in the Kyoto 250 threads. :thumb:

[PMD9409]

;1399222']Rambling.

To answer one of your main questions. I don't let my emotions take over me, like you have done there.

I knew the exact situation on track that caused both of y'alls anger, and like pikd said, you brought it upon yourself.

To reply to your "explanation" of me, I honestly couldn't care less. I don't get into the drama, I don't care what people think. That doesn't mean I don't try and race clean, because I do, and people have seen and known that. However I don't get pushed around. If someone pushes me I will push back, that's just my style.

The reason I replied is because you guys ganged up on Schnieder, if boothy posted the rest of the conversation in server you would see that. I watch many many streams of races, and league races on remote. If I ever have spare time either at home or in college that is what I do sometimes. I've seen you racing alot as you are young and have spare time (nothing wrong with that, I use to also), but I have seen your emotions take control of you many times as well.

I knew your original post would not be the last on the subject, and you can continue to make long posts to try and pick me apart. It doesn't bother me a bit. Like you said originally (which you should of kept there), it is our own opinions, and we should respect rather right or wrong.

[boothy]

The reason I replied is because you guys ganged up on Schnieder, if boothy posted the rest of the conversation in server you would see that.


That was the entire conversation from FE3. Didn't realise it spilled over into AS4R :tilt:

21 M. Schnieders : 30 Y. Laprevotte - what noob are you, having such a big mouth
30 Y. Laprevotte : LOL
30 Y. Laprevotte : Guy, stop saying youre the cleanest guy ever
30 Y. Laprevotte : seriously. That make you look so lame
12 L. Matonis : 21 M. Schnieders - would you like to shut up?
21 M. Schnieders : 30 Y. Laprevotte - twice as clean as you
21 M. Schnieders : 30 Y. Laprevotte - and twice as fast

[boothy]

I can only assume you have not checked the replay. Car 19 was FULLY alongside you into the turn on turn-in and slow enough to make the corner, yet you decided to take the racing line and force him onto the hill. You were lucky that it was only a DT.

[manneF1]

What I can say about our race, times wasent so good, but the tactic worked perfectly, when the red flag pull off, we were somewhere in 13rd place, but we made pitstop after that, like some others did too. We desided to change tyres, and add fuel what can last end of the race. No damage fixing, we got some place up then. When SC pull out, team after team was going to pits change driver, we raised up to 2nd place, the next SC was bad for us, drivers behind me were very close when the restart happened, I had cold tyres, because I was doing long stint whit them, they made two fair overtakes, and I dropped to 4th. At the end, I was able keep my place, and im very happy about 4th place. Of course im little bit pissed about that I didint made to podium, but this was realy fun race.

I dont just belive in tracker, that we finnished 6th ;)

Because #13 is front of us, allthought I finnished before, him and they didint lost connection

[dekojester]

I dont just belive in tracker, that we finnished 6th ;)

Because #13 is front of us, allthought I finnished before, him and they didint lost connection

The tracker will be wrong with close finishes (ie someone finishing on same second) sometimes because of how it records and reparses. It'll be correct when I do official results.

[prOmo_LTU]

I would agree with Oskari there,the race went perfectley.Before the race we had short team briefing in teamspeak (wich went off during first red flag,couzing me eating my nails how should we get in a contact with our driver on the track,Thanks Timo and all Inferno team for help with that)So i sayed,guys,we have to survive,and top 15 works well for me.The race went smoothley,and my only concern was that 75% limit,but all finished good and we are 4th,thanks to all WDT for this fun race,and all teams wich where co-operating on track and in IRC :)

[Drift King CZ]

Report canceled.

[luki97]

Xcite-LRT-Racing start from 5th and then i think 5 spins in 1st hour.
At 1h and 30mins we are still last and in last hour we're jumped from 27th to 4th place with 5 pitstops lol. 6 minutes to go... http://www.xfire.com/video/260192/
We dont give up;)

[Timo1992]

We dont give up;)

I have seen that on the stream ;)

Shame that you couldnt keep the 4th place, but i think AsnL did his best, good luck for the next round :)

[Drift King CZ]

Doesn't change anything on that you can't pass before the line. He could stay on pit limiter even if the cars in front of him are pulling away. And I know we are supposed to report only situations which we are involved in, but these situations directly affect every single car on the grid because it should be penalised, so I report any situation which is directly against rules document such as overtaking before the line on restart or overtaking under caution.

Not to mention about car 12 they punted us (13) off after the 1st restart when I swapped with Zach Weiss, but I won't report this since it's my friendly team. Only in case we would get in front of them in race results and they will get right behind us, but I guess this wouldn't happen since they would get some proper penalty which would shoot them far away to back.

Report canceled.

Not to mention that 20 made spin 2 cars on the 1st green lap after restart.

[N!ghtm@re]

I can only assume you have not checked the replay. Car 19 was FULLY alongside you into the turn on turn-in and slow enough to make the corner, yet you decided to take the racing line and force him onto the hill. You were lucky that it was only a DT.

I watched the replay but it seems like you watched an other replay....

It was not a Blue Flag it was racing and car #19 should have waited until the next turn

[gacek1]

Lap/Timecode/Session : 113
Cars involved #12 and #32
Brief description of incident 32 goes too agresive for few last turns and finaly gets a postion in last chicance before s/f going straight on grass,passing #12, who was going in normal way - on road.
If you look, i tryed to pass on the inside of the small hairpin and you turned across on me (your fault) and then i gave you room going into the final chicane but you didnt give me any, your turned all the way across me, infact you turned so much you hit the curb! and i had no where to go apart from the grass, you actually that isnt my fault.
Lap/Timecode/Session: Lap 112 - 113 restart
Cars involved: 32, 37
Brief description of incident: Ministry of Speed (32) passing Last lap Motorsports (37) before the line on a restart.
Yes, i watched the replay, and infact yes i was .03 ahead at the SF line, but... I watched the replay and Oscar let off the throttle loads to do his gear change will meant he slowed down alot and i passed him, just... If he hadnt have let off (on purpose, im not sure?) then i wouldnt have passed him before the SF line..
Car 32 overtake car 08 lap 109-110 on SC.
We've passed him as he was still in the pitlane.
Yeah, about that.. Well from my view it looked like he was trying to let me past or somthing :| He went to the otherside of the track and just slowed down loads, not sure if it was some sort of miss understanding really :shrug: Sorry if i was wrong.

[Drift King CZ]

Yes, i watched the replay, and infact yes i was .03 ahead at the SF line, but... I watched the replay and Oscar let off the throttle loads to do his gear change will meant he slowed down alot and i passed him, just... If he hadnt have let off (on purpose, im not sure?) then i wouldnt have passed him before the SF line..

I see, you would be right normally, but Oscar Hardwick is using h-shifter and from looking at the replay he did not lift off except while shifting up and there's a possibility they had engine damage.

[Reflex1]

I watched the replay but it seems like you watched an other replay....

It was not a Blue Flag it was racing and car #19 should have waited until the next turn

come on, you weren't even at racing speed as i make the pass, when you force me off the track ending my race, seconds earlier you had made contact with car 03 & got well out of shape.

[SCA-F1]

Lap/Timecode/Session: start of the race,first green flag
Cars involved 34 & 04
Brief description of incident


#34 overtake #04 before green flag on start.

Indeed, #04 was quite slow to accelerate, even though the green flag was released. However, I lifted to allow #04 past again, I can't really compromise my race because other drivers won't accelerate when they're supposed to.

[prOmo_LTU]

If you look, i tryed to pass on the inside of the small hairpin and you turned across on me (your fault) and then i gave you room going into the final chicane but you didnt give me any, your turned all the way across me, infact you turned so much you hit the curb! and i had no where to go apart from the grass, you actually that isnt my fault.


But if you gain position,you should then let us pass,and from what you did,it shows that your move was not to avoid a crash or smth,you wanted to gain position,and this is not a proper way to do that.

[racer hero]

Doesn't change anything on that you can't pass before the line. He could stay on pit limiter even if the cars in front of him are pulling away. And I know we are supposed to report only situations which we are involved in, but these situations directly affect every single car on the grid because it should be penalised, so I report any situation which is directly against rules document such as overtaking before the line on restart or overtaking under caution.

Not to mention about car 12 they punted us (13) off after the 1st restart when I swapped with Zach Weiss, but I won't report this since it's my friendly team. Only in case we would get in front of them in race results and they will get right behind us, but I guess this wouldn't happen since they would get some proper penalty which would shoot them far away to back.

Lap/Timecode/Session: Lap 67, under caution, after the 1st chicane
Cars involved: 20
Brief description of incident: Someone probably slowed down suddenly after the chicane... 01 slowing down, 03 very surprised, goes on brakes hard, 03 hits 01's rear a bit and 03 half-spins. 11 and 01 keep going (11 and 01 are in front of 03, they only slowed down to make it safer and were accelerating slowly again) a bit slower, but it's clearly obvious that their pace is not that low that they should be passed by 20 which uses this situation and passes all the 3 cars under caution.

Not to mention that 20 made spin 2 cars on the 1st green lap after restart.

We were put to the end of the line after this happened.... :really:

[Drift King CZ]

Afaik you were putted to the end of the line because of the restart incident, not because of this.

[racer hero]

But we were still put to the end of the line after you guys crashed and I passed, meaning we didn't gain anything.... :really:

[Drift King CZ]

Yes, but I'm trying to at least show that you are trying to use anything if there's a chance. Never mind. As you said, you didn't gain anything.

[pik_d]

Lap/Timecode/Session: Lap 112 - 113 restart
Cars involved: 32, 37
Brief description of incident: Ministry of Speed (32) passing Last lap Motorsports (37) before the line on a restart.


Lap/Timecode/Session: Lap 67, under caution, after the 1st chicane
Cars involved: 20
Brief description of incident: Someone probably slowed down suddenly after the chicane... 01 slowing down, 03 very surprised, goes on brakes hard, 03 hits 01's rear a bit and 03 half-spins. 11 and 01 keep going (11 and 01 are in front of 03, they only slowed down to make it safer and were accelerating slowly again) a bit slower, but it's clearly obvious that their pace is not that low that they should be passed by 20 which uses this situation and passes all the 3 cars under caution.

Not to mention that 20 made spin 2 cars on the 1st green lap after restart.


Read the rules:

X. 4. b. Protests from a team may only be for an incident involving their team directly.

[Drift King CZ]

Read the rules:

X. 4. b. Protests from a team may only be for an incident involving their team directly.

Doesn't change anything on that you can't pass before the line. He could stay on pit limiter even if the cars in front of him are pulling away. And I know we are supposed to report only situations which we are involved in, but these situations directly affect every single car on the grid because it should be penalised, so I report any situation which is directly against rules document such as overtaking before the line on restart or overtaking under caution.I did.

[pik_d]

I did.
OK, you read them then completely discarded them. You know you did wrong because you had to come up with an excuse for what you were doing.

Involving your team directly means that it was a contact incident or he unfairly overtook YOUR teams car. It does not affect every team directly, it affects some directly (those involved) and possibly some others indirectly.

MoS passing LLM before the start line, how does that directly affect you?

LRT passing three slow cars under SC, how does that directly affect you?

[boothy]

I watched the replay but it seems like you watched an other replay....

It was not a Blue Flag it was racing and car #19 should have waited until the next turn

Sorry but you need to read section VII of the NDR Sporting Code (http://www.newdimensionracing.com/index.php/ndr-sportingcode):

1. Overlap
a. When overtaking a car, you must achieve any measure of overlap with the car you are overtaking in order to have the rights for that corner.
b. “Any Measure of Overlap” is defined as the front of the overtaking car being level with or beyond the rear quarter-panel of the overtaken car (for tin-tops).
c. This measurement is taken at or around the normal turn-in point.

2. Conduct
a. Any Racer who causes an incident as a result of not establishing overlap, or by turning in on a car against whom they had no right, are expected to wait for the other car to pass them even if that action involves losing several positions.
b. Failure to follow this will result in a penalty.Car 19 was fully alongside car 17 and had every right to be there; he was making an effort to be slow enough to go side by side, yet you drove as if he wasn't there. Case closed.

[prOmo_LTU]

How did you see anything else than contact happening after he was forced onto the grass, you say he needed to give the place back, but he will only do that if he did an unfair pass. It was a fair pass, you only lose out becuase you aggressivly defended against him, after he had made the move, anything after the move was not his fault.

1) I don't think that gaining position while going on the grass is fair.
2) I'm not speaking about what happend after this,i'm speaking about your team's racer,passing us on the grass and gaining position by that move.

[Drift King CZ]

They both finished in front of us and if they will be penalised, it will change our position.

[pik_d]

They both finished in front of us and if they will be penalised, it will change our position.
That's a great example of something being indirectly related to something else.

[Drift King CZ]

Hmm, well, you are right, I could say that about any incident which is related to cars in front of us.. Just wait for Deko, he will tell me himself.

Chmpf, I'm just frustrated for some reason. Removed the reports.

[pik_d]

lap 43/time 1:03:30/ race
#04 and #24
At the end of lap 43 our car 04 goes into pits for driver change and Car 24 hits us from behind causing us to spin.

I know that you guys at SCP love using screenshots to prove points in protests, so I'll give you a screenshot or two.

In the first screenshot it shows you coming out of the final corner with us immediately behind you. Your driver is in the process of lifting off the throttle, before his tires are off the curb he is completely off the throttle.

The second screenshot shows the distance, less than a car length, 2.08 meters to be precise.

Your driver lifted in a full throttle zone with another car less than a car length behind him and contact was made, then you proceeded to protests against the car that hit you?



Are.

You.

Insane?


Edit: Actually I'm not done, I'll tell the story from our point of view as well.

I wasn't actually watching remote at the time, but when I opened it up I saw Randy did a time 5 seconds slower than his best, I asked him "what happened?" and he said "I hit a slow SCP car by the pit entrance." He also then called me to take over the car because his tires flat spotted from sliding around, when we had planned on doing 5-6 more laps.

Your driver's daft maneuver of lifting off the throttle right in front of someone else ended up costing us time and caused us to have to change our strategy around a bit, if anyone should be protesting anyone, we should have protested you.

[dekojester]

I know decisions are final but I have to disagree - I hit a tire rolling slowly on track behind normal tire wall - this for 1000% wasn't tires reforming.

I just had a look at this, while checking the replay for safety car causes, and I see your car starting to fly into the air (I hope you filed a flight plan :razz:) in between the two kerbs, and the tyre was rolling well out of the path where your car would have been. I'm going to throw this one down to lag. If you still have your local replay so we can see what you saw, feel free to post it here, as it could be interesting to see what you saw on your end.

EDIT: Okay, after looking from onboard you, makes what I just said a load of pish. It wasn't any tyres reforming, correct. It wasn't any lag, correct. It was just down to how LFS updates objects. I saw it in Shift+u cam where it probably really would have been had lfs updated all objects all the time fully insteas of all the time fully in view, and some of the time when out of view.

Still, the judgment of no penalty stands; Car 31 did not maliciously hit the tyre stack, and it was just a bit of crap luck that you hit that displaced tyre.

[fab_iceman_67]

What can I say for E.Team ? This race was a EPIC ... No ! ... A HUGE HYPER MEGA EPIC ... FAIL !!
Taht was the worst race I ever done in LFS in my life ...
Final result is DNF = 0 pts = chanpionnship lost :thumbsup:

[dekojester]

What can I say for E.Team ? This race was a EPIC ... No ! ... A HUGE HYPER MEGA EPIC ... FAIL !!
Taht was the worst race I ever done in LFS in my life ...
Final result is DNF = 0 pts = chanpionnship lost :thumbsup:

As per the rules (http://newdimensionracing.com/index.php/gtal-menu/rules):

With the exception of a Disqualification, all teams which start a GTAL Race shall
be classified in the results and given points, excepting a Guest Team.

[xtraction]

What can I say for E.Team ? This race was a EPIC ... No ! ... A HUGE HYPER MEGA EPIC ... FAIL !!
Taht was the worst race I ever done in LFS in my life ...
Final result is DNF = 0 pts = chanpionnship lost :thumbsup:

If this is raging about me flipping.. think again fab man :P

you did more than 75% of the race :)

[Bmxtwins]

Fab pitted like 6 times so sean really had nothing to lose. :thumb:

[Hahmo]

After watching the replay where there was confusion with Laprevotte just about 7mins left on the race, booth just pushed us while we had to brake because laprevotte was slowing us down pretty much, booth pushing and pushing us and just somehow kept the car on track and booth and saidl passed us.. we might've been 5th without that :l

[MoMo92i]

What can I say for E.Team ? This race was a EPIC ... No ! ... A HUGE HYPER MEGA EPIC ... FAIL !!
Taht was the worst race I ever done in LFS in my life ...
Final result is DNF = 0 pts = chanpionnship lost :thumbsup:

hum not yet...still something like 3.5 times as much points as we can win in a "normal" 3hours races so the championship isn't over yet :)

[Bmxtwins]

Will the stream from this race be available to download :)

[dekojester]

Will the stream from this race be available to download :)

http://91.121.163.6/StreamIII/

You know which date the race occurred on, so you should be able to figure out from there.

[Bmxtwins]

Thanks deko didn't know it would be there.

[gacek1]

and he doesn't have penalty? good job admins!

[pik_d]

and he doesn't have penalty? good job admins!
Oh damn. :x

[CSF]

and he doesn't have penalty? good job admins!


Ah Deko's analism comes back to haunt him. We don't give penalties if it's blank, we regard that as ok. Infact I seem to remember MoS at a race this year having a blank plate, so don't throw a stone if your in a glass house. :thumb:


Though I suspect your just doing that out of pure spite at the fact you didn't get away with your J-Turn. Have a nice day. :thumb:

[Tomhah]

and he doesn't have penalty? good job admins!

oh yeah, that made us much faster. The car is lighter now without that extra paint on the plate!:x

nah, but seriously...:really:

I know Saidl and his team had ** as plate, so we're not the only one. You only point at us in a desperate hope to get us a penalty for it so you can win :)

[CSF]

I know Saidl and his team had ** as plate, so we're not the only one. You only point at us in a desperate hope to get us a penalty for it so you can win :)

Clockworks tag is **. :D Oh and they can't win they got a 1 lap penalty because of his J-Turn after spinning under Safety Car. :)

[SAxor]

Well I guess this is NDRs consistency check for the upholding of anal penalties like the penalizing of chatting under red flag etc. :shrug:

[racer hero]

Are you kidding me? I'm the one that NDR always picks on, shut your face.

[dekojester]

Well I guess this is NDRs consistency check for the upholding of anal penalties like the penalizing of chatting under red flag etc. :shrug:

Chat under red flag affects proceedings more than an incorrect number plate.

I have NEVER in this season so far given any penalties for a blank numberplate, so why should I start now ?

Maybe I'll show you all what anal really is to me, by stating EXACTLY what you must place in your numberplate or exactly where your numberboard must go and exactly when you must post your skin, and if you don't do that, I take away 3 laps each instance and deducts 10 points. If you all really want me to be anal, I will. You won't like it, but if it's what you want, I'll gladly do it.

[pik_d]

Are you kidding me? I'm the one that NDR always picks on, shut your face.
We should all consider ourselves blessed to see Ken win an NDR event and not have it taken away from him via penalties, right? :razz:

[gacek1]

Though I suspect your just doing that out of pure spite at the fact you didn't get away with your J-Turn. Have a nice day. :thumb:
Poor provocation, have a nice day. :thumb:

[Tomhah]

Poor provocation, have a nice day. :thumb:

you too:thumb:

And yeah pik_d :D

[fab_iceman_67]

Fab pitted like 6 times so sean really had nothing to lose. :thumb:
Get drunked make u see double lol :razz:
I pitted 3 times instead of 2 like it was planned (1 pit to repair and the 2 others for fuel & tires like all pit stops ^^)

Yeah may be possible for us to win ... But we need to win both last races. FZR is faster on AS4r and KY2 imo and 7Karat race with FXR so we have still a little chance :)

If I good remember after we all stoped at the finish lane (1h30 of the race or something like that) I saw an admin askin to O.Keefe to starts at the end of the queue (dunno why) and he finish first ? how the hell did he overtake all cars after green flag ?

If this is raging about me flipping.. think again fab man :P
Nooo ! If u don't flipped what would be our position ? 11th or 12th ? That wouldn't change a lot
All those SC just make me angry, imopssible to race more than 20mins ... We should race with R1/R1 to have good tyres temperature with all those interuptions lol

[dekojester]

If I good remember after we all stoped at the finish lane (1h30 of the race or something like that) I saw an admin askin to O.Keefe to starts at the end of the queue (dunno why) and he finish first ? how the hell did he overtake all cars after green flag ?

The fact that the race restarted with an hour left, and he had pitted, some cars hadn't, and there was another safety car later.

And the fact that yeah, that can happen.

He was started at the end of queue for his part in starting the shunt that brought out the red flag, as was Car 21.

[Tomhah]

We're just godlike:smileypul

[N!ghtm@re]

It was just because of the stop they already had done....

[Tomhah]

It was just because of the stop they already had done....

"just"? :P I'll say it was Ken's smart brain + daum good driving:D

[Drift King CZ]

Just strange. The video format is normal on my HDD, but when I upload it to YouTube, it's just meh.
2010 GTAL Round 5: Dramatic last 10 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0Ahst8QRA)

[pik_d]

Just strange. The video format is normal on my HDD, but when I upload it to YouTube, it's just meh.
2010 GTAL Round 5: Dramatic last 10 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0Ahst8QRA)
Whoa TEXTp is awesome. I hope it doesn't go away after today is over.

[Hahmo]

Just strange. The video format is normal on my HDD, but when I upload it to YouTube, it's just meh.
2010 GTAL Round 5: Dramatic last 10 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0Ahst8QRA)
Thanks :P
Love the screaming, all the time something happening through all the field.

[Mr.46]

and he doesn't have penalty? good job admins!

Or... maybe you just Photoshopped the plate blank?

[pik_d]

Or... maybe you just Photoshopped the plate blank?
Tommy had a plate number but Ken didn't. The plate changes to whatever the new person has set when you switch drivers.

[Mr.46]

Tommy had a plate number but Ken didn't. The plate changes to whatever the new person has set when you switch drivers.

Ah ok :D

[Drift King CZ]

Tommy had a plate number but Ken didn't. The plate changes to whatever the new person has set when you switch drivers.

For me it keeps 1st driver's plate.

EDIT: Might be some kind of bug or lagbug... In the GT3 Cup when I swapped with Timo, he had the same plate as me saying "MIKE" ... Also Dominik had my helmet in the IGTC test race after he swapped.

[PMD9409]

It keeps everything from the initial driver.

[Deutschland2007]

It keeps everything from the initial driver.

I´ve seen numberplates, helmet skins and drivers suits changing during takeovers.

[Timo1992]

Yeah i noticed this too.

In the GT3 Cup, when I took over from Mike, the helmet and plate of Mike were also mine (I also didnt have the skin of him).

In the LFS ES Round 3 at Fernbay black, Yann took over from me and had my helmet + plate.

[boothy]

Numberplate + skin = first driver; Helmet = previous driver.

Though, numberplates can be changed by hex editing the mpr, see this screenshot where LRT's tag has been added (http://www.sonicrealmsracing.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2855.0;attach=4137 ;image) ;)

[PMD9409]

I would if I was allowed.... nab! :razz:

[Deutschland2007]

Numberplate + skin = first driver; Helmet = previous driver.

Though, numberplates can be changed by hex editing the mpr, see this screenshot where LRT's tag has been added (http://www.sonicrealmsracing.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2855.0;attach=4137 ;image) ;)

Well, that this is an edited screenshot is more obvious than the obvious. Mike on Michelin tyres is something I´m yet to see.:D

[Seb66]

Well, that this is an edited screenshot is more obvious than the obvious. Mike on Michelin tyres is something I´m yet to see.:D

Uhm, I'm pretty sure its actually not an edited screenshot:rolleyes2

[boothy]

Well, that this is an edited screenshot is more obvious than the obvious. Mike on Michelin tyres is something I´m yet to see.:D

Only edit has been some blur and levels. Michelin tyres are Lynce's dds. The attached file is the mpr cut down to 1 minute just to show you ;)