will we ever get NORDSHLEIFE? [Archive]

neo force KP61

18th April 2006, 19:21

maybe im dreaming too high here, but man how good would it be if we had it :nod: i wanna drive it in LFS! will we ever see an LFS nordshleife or am i :pillepall ?

edit: nordleife is the very long north section of the nurburgring 13 miles and at least 73 corners for those who dont know :)

wE1l

18th April 2006, 19:22

maybe im dreaming too high here, but man how good would it be if we had it :nod: im just back from a trip there, and i wanna drive it in LFS! will we ever see an LFS nordshleife or am i :pillepall ?

I am very optimistic for it to appear in S3, and hopefully as early as S2.:nod:

Renku

18th April 2006, 19:23

NO, and I don't want it!!!

Highsider9

18th April 2006, 19:24

No, but i want it. :)

Vain

18th April 2006, 19:26

It will propably not appear, but I want it!

Vain

keiran

18th April 2006, 19:27

Why do people think we are getting it ?? I find it very unlikely that LFS will get it officaly since it's in GT4 and who knows what sort of license they have with Sony. Although I never thought we would get an F1 car either :p

Keiran

no_one

18th April 2006, 19:30

I think it was in an x-box game too, Forza? So I don't think sony have an exclusive licence to in in video games. I hope not anyway

Live For Kill

18th April 2006, 19:31

"NORDSHLEIFE"

what is this anyway?

KaverL

18th April 2006, 19:31

Its in PGR3 too.. we can only hope :)

ajp71

18th April 2006, 19:32

I want, I want, I want :D I'd happilly lose the BF1 for the 'ring

m4vrick

18th April 2006, 19:32

probably wont get it soon, but i want it too.
I can see it done for S3 though.

neo force KP61

18th April 2006, 19:34

i know i think its exrtemely unlikely but id love it so much :scratchch

Bawbag

18th April 2006, 19:35

The longest racing track in the world, 13 miles or something like that, full of bumpy corners, straights and hairpins, hopefully gunna get their one day.

Nordschleife is Nurburgring (Actually Nurburgring Nordschleife) and the track "Nurburgring" is just a very small part of this beast of a track!

I'm sure you can get drawing or a pic of a birdseye view on the nurburgring site. :)

Michael Denham

18th April 2006, 19:35

One day, I believe we'll be driving the 'Ring in LFS, whether it comes officially or as a community patch. Give it 3 or 4 years maybe... :) And for anyone planning to go one day, you will not regret it! Just please take it easy, there are an awful lot of accidents! :)

neo force KP61

18th April 2006, 19:36

"NORDSHLEIFE"

what is this anyway?

i edited my first post :thumb:

neo force KP61

18th April 2006, 19:41

Flotch

18th April 2006, 19:52

Don't say it won't happen, we are close to drive a BMW-Sauber F1, so the most famous wonderful track of Germany (in the world too) has a chance to be simulated by LFS :scratchch:D ... All is possible now :D

Live For Kill

18th April 2006, 19:54

the BMW Sauber got a good advertisment with the LFS... if they wanted to advertise...

Live For Kill

18th April 2006, 19:58

thx neoforce! im not german, thats why i dont know that racetrack (i didnt know its a racetrack:)))

tr1ax

18th April 2006, 19:58

While I don't think we will see Nordschleife in LFS ever, I do dream of a track that is fairly long 9-10km with very big elevation changes.

Vain

18th April 2006, 20:04

thx neoforce! im not german, thats why i dont know that racetrack (i didnt know its a racetrack:)))The nordschleife isn't just a german thing. Aussies and englishmen dream of that track alike. :)

Vain

joeynuggetz

18th April 2006, 20:04

While I don't think we will see Nordschleife in LFS ever, I do dream of a track that is fairly long 9-10km with very big elevation changes.

That's the only thing that's missing in LFS and what drives me to check out other sims on occasion. The new track layouts are welcome, but we need massive elevation changes and longer circuits. I wish the devs would really consider this. I'd rather stick with one sim but I'm forced away from LFS becuase of this.

afastest

18th April 2006, 20:07

We've been over all this in the other threads many times. Nordschleife is not such a great race track, it is narrow and very long. I would rather like Nürburgring or Imola or something.

Edit:
By Nürburgring I meant nowaday's F1 configuration.

Vain

18th April 2006, 20:08

bberger

18th April 2006, 20:13

You're completely :pillepall .

Vain

I really want more tracks, but not single configurations. I want the one ore the other racepark, like they did with Aston, etc.

Think what authentency we could create with LFS? If Hockenheim, Nürnburg, Spielberg, Monza or sthg. like that would be implemented.. :pillepall

afastest

18th April 2006, 20:21

You're completely :pillepall .

Vain

The track may be good for hotlapping or just driving. LFS is mainly online sim. It is too difficult and narrow for online racing in LFS. The track could possibly be popular among the most serious lfs racers and long endurance races. Something not for majority of LFS-ers. It would also be expensive to license and model. Well, I'm not against if those of you who really want it come up with a little fund-rase and fund it yourself ;)

Hmm, am I really completely, you mean totally :pillepall ?
Daamn ;)

wE1l

18th April 2006, 20:24

The track could possibly be popular among the most serious lfs racers and long endurance races. Something not for majority of LFS-ers.

Majority? Do u even know how many LFSers are there?:scratchch

[RCG]Boosted

18th April 2006, 20:29

this track is 23 km long....to long for me :sleep2:

Shotglass

18th April 2006, 20:31

hes got a point though ... 1 lap public races that get restarted all the time without anyone ever passing the finish line wont be very popular

wE1l

18th April 2006, 20:32

Boosted']this track is 23 km long....to long for me :sleep2:

used to drive it in F1C, nearly impossible to remember the whole track, some corners are just so like each other, never completed a timed lap.:D

afastest

18th April 2006, 20:33

Majority? Do u even know how many LFSers are there?:scratchch

I believe around 25,000 licensed players?
I don't know what track is the closest to the North Circuit in terms of narrowness and difficulty? But there you can see track usage.
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=statstats&whichTab=trackusage

This will give an idea what majority prefers.

spoop

18th April 2006, 20:34

Do I want it , hell yes! Will we ever see it, officially, probably not, but we can hope. After S3 is opened up for third party modifications, we'll definantly see it.

neo force KP61

18th April 2006, 20:34

Boosted']this track is 23 km long....to long for me :sleep2:

but drving it is such a rush, it takes many many laps to even half remember what corner is next, and even then will take thousands of laps to get your line right. think of the competition there would be to get fastest laps! :nod: :nod:

DeXteRrBDN

18th April 2006, 20:37

we got an official BMW Sauber F1!!!! I can expect anything in LFS for impossible it could be :D

frokki

18th April 2006, 20:40

Those who don't enjoy the thought having the 'ring in LFS, have you ever tested it in GPL?

<3

Hyperactive

18th April 2006, 20:41

Those who don't enjoy the thought having the 'ring in LFS, have you ever tested it in GPL?

<3

It's a nightmare.

xapexcivicx

18th April 2006, 20:55

NotAnIllusion

18th April 2006, 21:01

Hehe persuade the BMW Sauber F1 team to cover the license costs for it, maybe they'd even get it down if they knew the right ppl.. :scratchch

Hotlap ranks would be interesting though

Panda

18th April 2006, 21:03

jack it from sony, microsoft, and konami. hahaha. everyone has it!

afastest

18th April 2006, 21:03

Oh come on cut the Dev's some slack. Polyphony Digital had over 100 people there taking down data to get the track right. We have 3 devs. There is no reason why you should want them to walk around the entire track taking notes.

LFS is LFS.

Amazing is Amazing

Anybody make sense of this post?
I actually do ;). Just think about how much time, effort and money would cost putting the 'ring into the game, and how many other popular, real and not-real tracks the devs (especially Eric) could make with same time/effort/money.

After S3, that's a different story. If it ever will appear in LFS, I'm sure I will have to try hotlap it at least for some time :)

deggis

18th April 2006, 21:08

Well, maybe in S3 as 3rd party modification...

On the other hand, if someone had asked a week ago than will we ever get BMW-Sauber F1 in S2, I would have laughed.

Shotglass

18th April 2006, 21:09

Hotlap ranks would be interesting though

if we should ever get the ring ill commit myself to become the lifetime uf1 ring wr holder

v4forlife

18th April 2006, 21:10

well, firstly, about the polyphony people, yea, they have 100+ people working on the tracks, cars, etc. lfs has 3...and managed to kick gt's ass too:):)

now, onto the ring. i think there are some good thing and bad things about having it in lfs.
most people know the good parts, so ill point out the bad
although it will be fun, the length will get tiresome wuick. you wont have 600hp porsche's roaring past you, there wont be the thrill of the armco right next to you. the servers will never complete a lap unless it orginised events, cause the race will always be restarted.

im all for it, in some ways, but one fo the reasons i love lfs, is the uniqueness. the fictional tracks that we all love. you cant compare anything to anything else in rl. i really like that. adding real tracks will make it all the more complicated i think.
maybe add a new track, and maybe a few new configs, and for tracks, i thnik thatll do.

JJ72

18th April 2006, 21:11

I think the ring deserves to be featured on a sim with proper physics engine. :D

Instead of LFS deserves the Ring.

Scoop

18th April 2006, 21:11

i'm hoping for teh ring but i don't think we'll get it, it's way to much work for one man to do that track :shrug: but who knows

Renku

18th April 2006, 21:24

Those who don't enjoy the thought having the 'ring in LFS, have you ever tested it in GPL?

<3
YES!

Flotch

18th April 2006, 21:30

I believe around 25,000 licensed players?
I don't know what track is the closest to the North Circuit in terms of narrowness and difficulty? But there you can see track usage.
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=statstats&whichTab=trackusage

This will give an idea what majority prefers.
sorry, but with the actual tires, of course that people are not going to play much on longer tracks :scratchch . With the improved physics, I bet long tracks will become more popular, especially with the fast cars we have (and going to have :P )

And if we can have the ring, I do not want the one of GPL converted for LFS, it not very accurate :shrug: ...
BTW, the rain has to be implemented in LFS first :D

MyBoss

18th April 2006, 21:38

Question:

Nurburgring is the new race track they use for the F1 championship.

Nordschleife is the old legendary track.

Is that right? If so, is it wrong to speak of nordschleife as nurburgring? Cause I've allways done that

Madman_CZ

18th April 2006, 21:45

i think that any track additions to lfs from the devs would be welcome be it real or not real, maybe when the devs design more fictional tracks they coud possibly put some of the most famous corners from real tracks and piece them together in an fictional track. eau rouge, the cork screw etc.....

molocco

18th April 2006, 21:54

no its more like aston cadet or aston national different parts of a huge track.
the nordschleife is not used for formula 1 these days anymore, they reworked parts of the course and added a new grand prix course in the late 80s.
but there´s public driving at the nordschleife on certain days and it is used for testdriving and the world famous 24h race which is amazing because of the different cars that are taking part. from eco-fuel new beetles to 800+hp porsche and viper all are racing this incredible "green hell" as it is called with radical weather changes among the track.
look it up further if you are a race addict, dig for some onboard videos otherwise you won´t belive.
best one to drive it in a sim on pc would be the reworked gpl track for gt legends. there you also got a fun to drive, yet sometimes to easy to be true, cars of the right era the 60s to mid 70s.

go check it

peace mo

<edit> i forgot: yes i like to race the nordschleife in lfs - i want it to get real...

MyBoss

18th April 2006, 21:58

I know molocco, seen lots of videos from nordschleife.

Just wondered if it was wrong to speak of it as nurburgring ;-)

molocco

18th April 2006, 22:04

Smax

18th April 2006, 22:17

Having the Nordschleife in LFS is something of a pipe dream, it's long, narrow and bumpy as hell, and in real life Formula one cars and their ilk are never tested there because their suspension would more than likely break inside one lap. It's heavily used for testing and public driving, has been modified many times since it was completed in 1927, and simply isn't suitable for racing in stiff fast cars.

The GTR cars of LFS could probably just about handle it but the new BMW F1 and the V8 almost certainly wouldn't have the ground clearance to get round an accurately modelled track. I think you'd be better off wishing for the Bathurst Track in Australia or the Spa GP circuit if you want a real driver's track.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife

makes interesting reading if you like a little history.

ajp71

18th April 2006, 22:19

The Nurburgring is any track as far as I'm concerned. I think there are the following configurations:

The Nordschleife - the really 13 mile 'ring, currently unchanged since the '80s. Only a few jumps flattened and the S/F loop shortened by 100 yards since the '30s.

The GP track

Short circuit - a shortened version of the GP track for club racing.

24 hour circuit - GP + Nordschleife

Sudschleife - former South loop about 7 miles

Full circuit - Nordschleife + Sudschleife 20+ miles :D

It's not hard to learn, I've learnt it in GPL/N2003 and it's actually very easy to learn the 192 corners. Learning the best line is another matter entirely.

ajp71

18th April 2006, 22:22

@Smax - Group C cars got round it you'd just have to raise the ride height and run the F1 car less stiff. And the Group C cars did bottom out many times a lap must have been ****ing scary loosing your ground effects with average lap speeds nearing 130 mph. The surface may have degraded slightly since then but some ground effect cars can still manage it, like the Radicals, which are essentially the same as space frame single seaters.

molocco

18th April 2006, 22:43

have you seen the onboard video from michael vergers in the radical? this is realy scary... seeing how fast it looks in an open car. all the onboards from porsches seem slow against this. and the sound is cracking. and it was a road legal car he did a stunning 6 minutes 55 on the slightly shortened nordschleife.

don´t try this at home!
peace mo

ajp71

18th April 2006, 22:57

Shaving 80 secs off reality :pillepall http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1660194995149741290&q=nurburgring&pl=true

Shotglass

18th April 2006, 22:58

theres a video called incar porsche 956 ... basically its onboard footage from a group c car on just about every track they raced on in that particular season ... it includes a whole lap of the ns in 6:41 ... and that was slow .. at one point you can see jacky ickx (if im not mistaken) just flying past him on his qualy lap

Smax

18th April 2006, 23:01

Yeah that's Derek Bell's "Tour of the Nordschleife" video from the ealy 80's [I think] there's another somewhere of him setting the lap record which again going from memory, is the record broken by the nutter in the radical.

DeadWolfBones

18th April 2006, 23:03

I'd much rather get LeMans or maybe Sebring.

Man, if we get LMP prototypes in S3 I'd kill for endurance racing with multiple classes on those kind of tracks.

:smileypul

Rappa Z

18th April 2006, 23:04

but drving it is such a rush, it takes many many laps to even half remember what corner is next, and even then will take thousands of laps to get your line right. think of the competition there would be to get fastest laps!

I learned the track. I can get satellite imaging to learn the turns. It is easy to memorize after about 10 laps.

spyshagg

18th April 2006, 23:08

adding real tracks would make a comparation point between real physics and lfs physics.

we would be like this:
"this cant be good... i just took 2 minutes from the real wr in a inferior car."

i would like real tracks if the lfs BMW-sauber would make the same times (give or take a few seconds) as its real-life brother.
But programing as bugs and many many "not" accountable variables etc etc or else this would be a super-computer simulation.... but its just a home simulator at 60 frames per second (its a game) :)

ksa_land

18th April 2006, 23:09

Hi,

the Nordschleife (or also called "green hell") is the most exciting track ever.

For those who don't know the track and for those who love the track I post here 2 URLs of two video files (.wmv) which show

1. one full lap catched by an inboard cam in a "V8Star Jaguar" 49MB
(nice V8 engine- and clutch/gear sounds) :smileypul

2. one full lap catched by an inboard cam in a "Porsche 996 GT3" 62MB
(much traffic and many overtakings of slow cars)

both have very good quality and a good camera position too.

to download the file click on "jetzt downloaden"

Links:

V8Star Jaguar:
http://www.frankuhlig.de/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=60

Porsche 996 GT3:
http://www.frankuhlig.de/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=128

hole download section:
http://www.frankuhlig.de/index.php?name=Downloads

have fun :D :D

ajp71

18th April 2006, 23:12

Got the In Car 956 DVD, Le Mans is the best lap IMO. 240 mph is just inconceivably fast.

STROBE

18th April 2006, 23:14

We've been over all this in the other threads many times. Nordschleife is not such a great race track, it is narrow and very long.
Agreed - whilst the publicity would do wonders for LFS, the track itself is just too unfriendly to have any kind of quality race on it. After all, a five lap GTR race at Aston National often gets repeatedly restarted because people can't negotiate turn one. I shudder to think what kind of races would occur on the Ring. And although a 'Ring might be popular with experts for hotlapping and whatnot, LFS is an online simulator and any track not aimed at online/public participation would be somewhat missing the point, imo.

However if one were to suddenly appear (equally strange things have happened, not mentioning any 2006 BMW Sauber F1 cars) I certainly wouldn't be complaining, but at the same time I couldn't help but feel that Eric's talents would be better served recreating other, more accessible real life tracks or some more fantasy circuits.

ajp71

18th April 2006, 23:23

I disagree with you Strobe the 'ring is the pinacle of racing. Even a sim as outdated as SCGT still has people playing it and a community because it had the Green Hell and the intrest it brought.

Madman_CZ

18th April 2006, 23:28

id love to see an f1 do a lap around Nords, probably impossible as it would be too dangerous due to the bumpyness and elevation changes of the track as f1 cars have low ride heights... but just think the time it would do it in :D

camon schumey, ur near the end of your career why not do a lap in your ferrari, i mean probably aint far from his house :p it could be his weekend hobby..

Shotglass

18th April 2006, 23:46

Got the In Car 956 DVD, Le Mans is the best lap IMO. 240 mph is just inconceivably fast.

too much traffic on that one ... allthough i like the le mans lap where you can see his steering work a lot

but just think the time it would do it in :D

i think it would be slower than the group c cars

B11TME

18th April 2006, 23:47

I cant see why you would need a permission to have that track in game since alot of other games are putting it in as a addon. GT Legends has a pretty good beta ver of it and alot of other games like gtr ect. I think nordshleife would be totaly amazing in lfs and i think you would get such a buzz driving round that track in any of the lfs cars because of the feel. Comon devs give us the track :p

NotAnIllusion

18th April 2006, 23:48

It'd be cool if the LFS version of 'schleife would be like the real one, "open to the public", where you can just go drive instead of racing all the time. Perfect track for newbies to learn to curb their enthusiasm and learn to control the car :p

Drakkula

19th April 2006, 00:02

ok, just in case u guys wanna watch a video, but dont wanna download it......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_LNMGG2qJw&search=Nurburgring

enjoy it!!!!:thumb:

afastest

19th April 2006, 00:21

I disagree with you Strobe the 'ring is the pinacle of racing. Even a sim as outdated as SCGT still has people playing it and a community because it had the Green Hell and the intrest it brought.

I don't personally have experience with Sports Car GT, but I bet it is less realistic, and more arcadish than lfs. While driving the ring may feel nice with an arcade game, it is really a different thing with tyre wear, damage model, grass/dirt sticking to tyres etc etc. It would often be pain for regular LFS-ers.

but at the same time I couldn't help but feel that Eric's talents would be better served recreating other, more accessible real life tracks

Exactly my point. I would love to have real life tracks, but more accessible and more noob-compatible than the ring. I know some hardcore simracers want the ring in the game, but LFS is about realistic physics and accessible on-line gameplay in the first hand, then others.

ajp71

19th April 2006, 00:32

@afastest - I don't see this being an issue people would have to set there cars up differently but GPL/N2003 has proved it can be done. I play N2003 both online for league R/C racing and offline for the 'ring. Offline the 'ring is my sole attraction to N2003 but I probably spend about a 1/4 of all my sim racing time there. The GPL 'ring does need a good rework but despite the fact it looks like a tarted up track from 8 years ago (which it is) it is still stunningly good fun to drive. I can't drive the Group C cars around it yet because I've not mastered it fully yet but even a big 600 bhp Nascar truck is quite easy to drive around it. LFS doesn't have to be a solely online sim and if the devs were to get a chance to make it I think they should.

I don't personally have experience with Sports Car GT

SCGT was a game by EA in 1999 which was said to be ground breaking in its time (because most PC gamers couldn't manage GPL) although now feels like the worst parts of the ISI crop thrown together and put into a super arcade mode.

jayhawk

19th April 2006, 00:39

ajp71

19th April 2006, 00:45

147 corners, actually. :)

Depends what you define as a corner.

The current 20.8 km long Nordschleife of the Nürburgring, with officially 174, actually about 100 corners.

Sheepy1977

19th April 2006, 00:50

used to drive it in F1C, nearly impossible to remember the whole track, some corners are just so like each other, never completed a timed lap.:D

I like f1 very very much,so i can remember all corners of all the 2004 season 's track.If there is an offical f1 track in lfs ,I think i can get used to it very very soon..:scratchch

Sheepy1977

19th April 2006, 00:52

PS: I had driverd Nordschleife in GPL,it make me crazy for a few days before i knew that i cant finish one single lap without any damage...

jayhawk

19th April 2006, 00:52

Depends what you define as a corner.

Ahh...good to know. Thats alot like my local track Road America, which calls a few short dog leg bends a corner. :scratchch

neo force KP61

19th April 2006, 00:56

sorry i meant to type 173 which is the official number. and as was said, it all depends what you call a corner

ajp71

19th April 2006, 01:02

sorry i meant to type 173 which is the official number. and as was said, it all depends what you call a corner

Yep I'm sure GPL said 193 but that may have been a typo.

Dragon_Reborn

19th April 2006, 01:07

I'm German, I visited the Nordschleife two years ago and saw a GT Race at the Start / Finsh Line. After seeing the videos, ksa_land posted I definitly will a Nordschleife in LFS. This vid is f***** awsome, I'm out of me.
I think I will travel to the racetrack this summer again, pay 15 bucks and drive with my car on it :D
You can do it, but just when there are no races. :thumb:

\CALLVOTE ALL PRO-NORDSCHLEIFE

deggis

19th April 2006, 05:38

Here's a Group C car ride... full lap but it's part of the legendary 1000 km race in '83 review. Remember to download all the 6 parts, file names are '1000km83Nrburgring.partX.rar'.

Download here: http://hosted.filefront.com/newnobee

V8Star Jaguar:
http://www.frankuhlig.de/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=60

Porsche 996 GT3:
http://www.frankuhlig.de/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=128
Those are awesome but I think the best incar vid is still the M3 GTR qualification lap couple of years ago. Probably everyone is seen that video already. The sense of speed is just so terrifying (because the incar cam swings all the time :)):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8820272863185836618&q=nurburgring

hi-res version: http://www.mncisco.org/mattd/m3_gtr_nurburgring.wmv

And one more... Alzen Porsche which is very rough sounding :)
http://0wn3d.nl/temp/VTS_02_1_NEW.avi

ksa_land

19th April 2006, 07:47

Those are awesome but I think the best incar vid is still the M3 GTR qualification lap couple of years ago. Probably everyone is seen that video already. The sense of speed is just so terrifying (because the incar cam swings all the time :)):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8820272863185836618&q=nurburgring

hell yeah, this sound and speed of the M3 GTR is the best I have seen so far. It simply rocks. :smileypul :) :thumb: :D :tilt:

Has anyone a high qualitiy version of it? :scratchch

MyBoss

19th April 2006, 07:55

@boss: ah, i see.
ok its more like the nurburgring is the hole thing and the nurburgring-nordschleife is just a specific part of it, but in the old days the nordschleife practicaly was the whole nurburgring (or 90% of it) and it think it was even a longer version before that but it was no dedicated race track, back then.

peace mo

aite, thanks for that :)

Anyway, if there ever will be a real life track in LFS, I'm pretty shure it will be something like Silverstone, where you got more combos, and its English:scratchch

deggis

19th April 2006, 08:15

Has anyone a high qualitiy version of it? :scratchch
http://www.mncisco.org/mattd/m3_gtr_nurburgring.wmv

Woz

19th April 2006, 08:42

There are 3 tracks I would love to see in LFS...

The Ring.. goes without saying :)
Bathy.. The hight changes in this track are mental and the final run down the hill means you have to balance the car and brakes to perfection to stop in time for the tight left :)
Isle of Man TT.. 27 miles of tight, twisty country roads around the island. Saw a film once of a bike lap where the rider managed to get an average speed for the lap of 122mph, think he topped 190mph on some sections :)

There is also one road that would make a great point to point track. Any 10+ mile section of the Amalfi Coast Road in Italy would be an absolute joy in LFS. I am sure anyone that knows this road would love to be able to blast along it knowing it was empty.

Liquid Li0n

19th April 2006, 08:44

Madman_CZ

19th April 2006, 08:49

I more liked the nordschleife in LFS than the BMW F1 car. It starting to be an F1 sim instead of car sim.
Just cross our fingers and hope they are going to make the other BMW models aswell for LFS :-)

just explain how is lfs turning into an f1 sim?:pillepall you have 1 f1 car in lfs!!!! and then like 5 roadcars and other saloon cars. Just because lfs has one f1 car doesnt justify your comment that lfs is turning into an f1 sim. Its nice to have it in the single seater collection if you ask me... :D

mad

Jakg

19th April 2006, 10:12

There is also one road that would make a great point to point track. Any 10+ mile section of the Amalfi Coast Road in Italy would be an absolute joy in LFS. I am sure anyone that knows this road would love to be able to blast along it knowing it was empty.i have been on this raod (albeit in a coach!), but it would only be good single player, and would still be VERY narrow!

Moonclaw

19th April 2006, 11:09

What's with the narrowness, two cars fit side by side just fine.

admkirk

19th April 2006, 11:19

Staying on-topic, here is a long and detailed debate on if it would be feasible to license Nordschleife for LFS: http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=83933

Liquid Li0n

19th April 2006, 11:39

Costa Di Amalfi is in GT4 aswell and is a great track but to narrow. It would be fun but the nordschleife would be more fun

v4forlife

19th April 2006, 11:43

neo force KP61

19th April 2006, 12:26

back me up anyone who has also been to the ring, its scary as hell, thinking that one patch of oil from a morning session could effectivle kill you, cause it may have gone un noticed, or whatever.

agreed, last time i checked, theres no shift+r in my car :D

2bb1nordli

19th April 2006, 12:43

I don't want Nordschleife. I want the whole course!

whendrix

19th April 2006, 12:58

Nordschleife is not such a great race track, it is narrow and very long.

:pillepallObviously you never had the joy of experiencing the Nordschleife.

neo force KP61

19th April 2006, 13:01

:pillepallObviously you never had the joy of experiencing the Nordschleife.

agreed :pillepall :pillepall anyone who doesnt appreciate it is not a fan of motor racing

shockman

19th April 2006, 13:04

:pillepallObviously you never had the joy of experiencing the Nordschleife.
amen to that.

Batterypark

19th April 2006, 13:09

agreed :pillepall :pillepall anyone who doesnt appreciate it is not a fan of motor racing

I can prove you wrong. I am such a person.

nfrenay

19th April 2006, 13:15

agreed :pillepall :pillepall anyone who doesnt appreciate it is not a fan of motor racing

I have to agree with that too :D.

BTW, most of the nicest cars are tested by the manufacturers at the 'ring.

S2000, Impreza, EVO, Corvette and tons of other cars are perfected by exaustive testing on the ring.

schofei

19th April 2006, 13:17

tbh, with some of the comments about comparing, yes, there will be people saying(if we get the ring) that its crap, and how come i can go 20-30sec faster in a car on lfs, as opposed to a similar car in rl, well, you also have to factor in the armco in rl. in a gme, you have no fear, but, and back me up anyone who has also been to the ring, its scary as hell, thinking that one patch of oil from a morning session could effectivle kill you, cause it may have gone un noticed, or whatever.
"Nothing gave me more satisfaction than to win at the Nürburgring, and yet, I was always afraid. When I left home for the German Grand Prix I always used to pause at the end of the driveway and take a long look back. I was never sure I'd come home again."

Jacky Stewart

Jacky Stewart was it who gave the Nürburgring Nordschleife the nickname "The Green Hell".... nothing to add.

ajp71

19th April 2006, 13:31

Jacky Stewart was it who gave the Nürburgring Nordschleife the nickname "The Green Hell".... nothing to add.

...and won in the rain in '69 with such a display of driving that despite beating the field home by 2 minutes it was still hearalded as one of the greatest races.

Sternendaal

19th April 2006, 13:34

Meh,give me a fictional version of the Nordschleife,doesn't have to be the same length,but with some nice height differences. Will enjoy that one alot more :nod:

tristancliffe

19th April 2006, 13:42

No doubt we'll see a port of the GPL version (with 6ft kerbs and liquid tarmac) when (if) LFS is open to modding.

Becky Rose

19th April 2006, 13:43

Hyperactive

19th April 2006, 13:48

The 'ring is just long, narrow and hard. Fe black is piece of cake compared to ring. It's bumpy as hell, narrow, with lots and lots of difficult turns with one veery loong straght. And it takes ages to learn the track.

I would much rather take 4 good and different tracks than one 'ring.

Drive it in GPL and say you really love it.

And because there are so many corners in the track, driving the faster cars there would be just big newbie crashing event. There aren't too many places to pass, despite the track being over 20 kilometres long.

For 80% of LFS players it is just too hard.

Nothing against the 'ring, but imho it's not worth having :)

Vain

19th April 2006, 13:50

Becky Rose

19th April 2006, 13:54

From a sim point of view, and lets remember that LFS is just a sim, that's not entirely true, I tried it in GPL and never went back to it, I more or less did OK (a bit slow) and could do a lap without crashing... It was just boring meandering around on my own.

ajp71

19th April 2006, 14:58

Drive it in GPL and say you really love it.

I love it to bits, so challenging. In GPL the three tracks I normally go near are Mallory Park, Cadwell and the 'ring.

v4forlife

19th April 2006, 15:13

screw driving it in a sim, ill just book a fri and mon off work and go down myself:)

schofei

19th April 2006, 16:38

I love it to bits, so challenging. In GPL the three tracks I normally go near are Mallory Park, Cadwell and the 'ring.
I bought GPL at that time only for the Nürburgring was included. Took a while until I got down to 8:16 in the Lotus. However, I lost interest in GPL when I had to realize that other racers started cheating by replacing the Lotus engine with the more powerful Honda engine.

Yes, the Ring is not for beginners, neither in a sim nor IRL. Years ago when I was living near Cologne, I went to the Ring quite often to watch the races or just to do some laps of my own in various BMWs. And I can tell you, no words can describe the feeling.

neo force KP61

19th April 2006, 17:54

To be frank the long tracks we have in LFS now are too long, it's dull driving around on your own. I bought a race game, not a rally simulator, I want to see other cars and shout "eep" at them and the way to do that is to have a short or medium length course.

Long courses don encourage good racing. They test ones skill, but unless we get 100+ cars in a single game the Old Nurburgring would just be a dull procession :/.

there are tons of small/medium tracks to race on. surely one long track wont ruin it for you? if you dont like it you dont have to drive it. i think it would be great to have it there in the game just to drive.

you can get more exitement and fear out of driving the ring alone, as you can racing against others on a small track. ive done both :thumb:

anyway, its not coming in the near future but we can dream i supppose :shrug:

silent_wind

19th April 2006, 18:28

my dream will come true if the ring is ever released on LFS.. i just cant imagine the blast !! i'd really love to have that track !

tok_

19th April 2006, 18:32

I personally love the Nürburgring.
I've driven on it so much (in GPL of course) that I can clearly remember it's every turn in my mind (176 bends, if I recall it right). First time you go under eight minutes with 1967 F1-car is really an memorable moment. :)

But in LFS? Very few cars would be suitable, and the overall state of the drivers in online racing community, this track is far, far over the scale.

Barroso

19th April 2006, 19:10

i tried in gtr and some other games and even alone its still exciting.

arco

19th April 2006, 23:57

farcar

20th April 2006, 04:35

I've always thought that the old Spa configuration from the 60s and 70s was a great track. Long, but not too long. And fast! One of the corners is a flat right hander and goes for nearly a mile iirc.

Also I wouldn't really care if we get real tracks or not, but if would be goot to emulate the style and length of some of the great tracks around the world.

Goop

20th April 2006, 05:06

I drove it a bit in GPL, was never much good at it as I don't have a very good um... that thing that stops you forgetting stuff..... :dunce:

Certain bits were lots of fun, and like whatshisface says, maybe one day when and if LFS is open to modding it would be nice.

whendrix

20th April 2006, 11:33

Here's a great video of Dirk Shoysmann in a Nissan Skyline doing his 10.000th lap on the Nordschleife. You even get his comments during the lap about various parts of the track.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5315529841049144795&q=nissan+skyline&pl=true

I had the privilige to do a passenger lap with Dirk... The experience of a lifetime I can assure you! Lots of respect for both track and driver.

Wim

shockman

20th April 2006, 11:33

Here's a great video of Dirk Shoysmann in a Nissan Skyline doing his 10.000th lap on the Nordschleife. You even get his comments during the lap about various parts of the track.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5315529841049144795&q=nissan+skyline&pl=true
Yes, Dirk Schoysman knows what he is talking about...
http://www.shockman.net/?p=20

And I would have NO problem whatsoever to pay premium price to get Nordschleife in LFS.

Resound

20th April 2006, 13:32

I loved the 'ring in GPL and Racer has a ported version as well...the good thing about that is that you get to try it in a variety of different cars. I'd love to see it in LFS.

Vain

20th April 2006, 14:36

I think about everyone who spoke positively about the ring would shell out some money for it. Personally I'd easily pay the price of S2 again, just for that one track.

Vain

neo force KP61

20th April 2006, 18:26

I think about everyone who spoke positively about the ring would shell out some money for it. Personally I'd easily pay the price of S2 again, just for that one track.

Vain

me too, i would pay the same again for that track :nod:

tiagolapa

20th April 2006, 18:30

I think about everyone who spoke positively about the ring would shell out some money for it. Personally I'd easily pay the price of S2 again, just for that one track.

Vain

Yep, Nurburgring nordshleife + LFS cars and physics!!! WOW
I'll pay for that for sure:thumb:

Flotch

20th April 2006, 18:50

me too of course:smileypul

BLACKPLAGE

20th April 2006, 19:57

take a look @ it in Google Earth

"Zufahrt Nürburgring Nordschleife" lat=50.346659688, lon=6.96573178977

its known as the " hardest, fastest an longest Racetrack.. "
Jackie Stewart called it " The green Hell"

getin it in LFS would be great.. maybe.. lets see

AlexX!!

DodgeRacer

21st April 2006, 01:16

Hey nurburgring nuts, check this out, 1 minute update on the entrance (to the screen right) and exit (left) of the race track (note how its really just a toll booth to get on, just like any other highway)

http://nurburgring.org.uk/webcams.html

it musta been a bmw track day or somthin, there was a crapload of M3's and other bmw's out today, (note its probably nighttime there now, but during their day time you can watch it all day, and with the interesting things you'll see entering the track, you just might...

DodgeRacer

21st April 2006, 01:17

http://www.automobileforum.com/forums/uploads/post-2-1145550038.jpg

real speed record attempt with these fellahs...

http://www.automobileforum.com/forums/uploads/post-2-1145549526.jpg

Stricher

21st April 2006, 01:49

Commander

21st April 2006, 10:05

The 'ring is just long, narrow and hard. Fe black is piece of cake compared to ring. It's bumpy as hell, narrow, with lots and lots of difficult turns with one veery loong straght. And it takes ages to learn the track.

I've been several times to the ring now (and drove on it) and I have to say that it is the most exciting race track I know. The differences in height and the corners and the narrowness of the track are absolutely fantastic.
And about the learning thingy......it took me about 5 laps in GT4 + I would say 1 and a half hours of Onboardvideos of the Nordschleife to get it to know. I can tell u which corner follows after which one and I even know where the best line is. And I'm no special talent or so. I bet everyone can get used to the track in 1 day if it was in LFS. I would really much love to have the track in LFS just because of the possibilty of great races, because this track devides the real racers from sunday drivers and yes, it it possible to have close fights and to overtake.

so far.....Commander

mrodgers

21st April 2006, 11:47

It would be just a dream....the Nordschleife is for sure the best race track on this globe....!

I dont think the "lisence" is the problem....even in this free-game "racer.nl" there is an add on with a nice done Nordschleife track to download...

---anyway....as many said... let there be first the BF1....!

=)
That's because Racer is free and the track is a freely done model by someone in the community. If you want to sing a Metallica song in the shower, go right ahead. But don't try to record and market it and sell it or use it as a selling point for a CD you're trying to sell.

Hyperactive

21st April 2006, 12:28

I've been several times to the ring now (and drove on it) and I have to say that it is the most exciting race track I know. The differences in height and the corners and the narrowness of the track are absolutely fantastic.
And about the learning thingy......it took me about 5 laps in GT4 + I would say 1 and a half hours of Onboardvideos of the Nordschleife to get it to know. I can tell u which corner follows after which one and I even know where the best line is. And I'm no special talent or so. I bet everyone can get used to the track in 1 day if it was in LFS. I would really much love to have the track in LFS just because of the possibilty of great races, because this track devides the real racers from sunday drivers and yes, it it possible to have close fights and to overtake.

so far.....Commander

It took about days to learn the track for me. I first played it in GPL but didn't really make any progress. Then downloaded the track for the F1 2002 (?) and drove it with F1 cars :p. Learned the curves but still after hundred(s) of laps I still don't know how fast I can drive into most of the corners. It is jut too long imho :) And there is only couple of really good places (like the corkscrew on Laguna seca, or Eau rouge at Spa) in the track. I just don't find it challenging or interesting in the way I'd like to :)