Your Opinon: How do you think the year went for LFS in your prospective

[(The Stig)]

How did it go for you? Was it good or bad?

Here are a few things that I think was bad in my prospective on LFS,


LFS not yet releasing the VWS
But aswell there were some good times,


New patches came to life
At least one of the onwers of lfs showed they were alive.

Now what do you think?

Please do not spam in this thread!

[TRM.13]

buy a friend, you will be happier :razz:

[alliennas]

Racing as racing, but the waiting of new releases kills not just me. Anyway, not that bad tho.

[breadfan]

I learned some new techniques, improved my laptimes somewhat and tried different combos, which was fun, surprisingly.

[tristancliffe]

Whilst there wasn't much public release of new stuff, I think it was a good year overall - Rockingham will be a big asset to LFS as will the Scirocco; not necessarily the track or car themselves (the VWS will most likely not interest me), but the changes to the core required to have them - better simulation of tyres, stability control, track surfaces... all of these will ensure that future (and perhaps current but updated) content is of a far higher quality.

Of course, we don't know if the wait will be worth it. But we don't know it won't be. And I'm happy to wait to find out - I'd rather wait a long time and get lots of nice shiny updates than have poor attempts dribbled out to us on a regular basis that require a lot of bugs squashing...

So, good year for LFS.

For the LFS community it was a poor year. More trolls than ever (those that just moan, but are too stupid to go and play something else), more spam than ever and fewer and fewer sensible LFS topics - probably because we've talked about most of them!

[Glenn67]

Drove in a friendly enduro serries with the XRR on all the Aston configs, I have avoided the GTR's up until now. Must say that the XRR will always be a sentimental favourite now, when set up right it is a sweet drivers car :smileypul

+1 to Tristans - I'll always be interested in LFS development but have plenty of other things to keep me going in the mean time :p

[AcesHigh]

-09 Will go down as the year of the whiners, it will be so fun when we look back in -11. And realise how much bullshit went on and how many who left LFS in -09 only to come back in -10 for the new patch as if nothing happend.

Personally -09 went down as a pretty good year.

1. My team has evolved even more, becoming faster and competetive.
2. I have improved my technique a bit.
3. Tried out hosting a gymkhana event, wich then got cancelled due to practical issues and lacking interest. Altough it was a great experience.

-10 will be a even better year. Both for me and for LFS as a game...

[Bawbag]

How did the year for LFS go? Did I miss something?

[danowat]

I raced LFS 23 days out of 365, not a bad year for me :)

[SmegFirk]

I only play the game and read the forum to see what new team you will be coming up with that week. It's 52 lots of fun.

[Glenn67]

I raced LFS 23 days out of 365, not a bad year for me :)

I was bored so did some stats on myslef... seems 09 was my most active year in S2 ever! Although in 04-05 I spent much more time in demo than S2.

09 - 77 days
08 - 58
07 - 50
06 - 51
05 - 65
04 - 67

[dawesdust_12]

I raced a total of 7 days in LFS in 2009.. maybe 8 as I did a LFS/NKP mess around with GF. Finished about 10-15 races.

Hardly my most active year.

[Glenn67]

I raced a total of 7 days in LFS in 2009.. maybe 8 as I did a LFS/NKP mess around with GF. Finished about 10-15 races.

Hardly my most active year.

You were more active than Tristan has been for two years :tilt: Tristan peeked quite early giving 04-05 a good bash then dwindled rapidly thereafter. Danowat showed a little more endurance peeking later in 06 before his activity tapped off then fell away sharply in 09.

[dawesdust_12]

That's kinda sick... Especially seeing I went "I'm gonna drive in a league" in 2009 :S

I think there needs to be an invitation only LFS league started.. one for people like me.. who drive a few races every year. Pick some fun manly cars like LX6 and FO8, and do that.

[danowat]

You were more active than Tristan has been for two years :tilt: Tristan peeked quite early giving 04-05 a good bash then dwindled rapidly thereafter. Danowat showed a little more endurance peeking later in 06 before his activity tapped off then fell away sharply in 09.

Interesting that I peaked in 06, bad year for me that!!!!

[Memph1s]

I think the devs should sell LFS to a publisher, e.g. Simbin, which is motivated enough to develop that huge potential that LFS has.

[Glenn67]

Interesting that I peaked in 06, bad year for me that!!!!

Hmm could be a link :drink:is this a good year for you then?

Stats for those that find it interesting, hope you don't mind :schwitz:

Year|Glenn67|Tristan|Danowat|Bawbag|Sidi|Dawesdust _12
09 | 77 | 0 | 23 | 45 | 4 | 1
08 | 58 | 2 | 72 |107 | 15 | 29
07 | 50 | 21| 83 | 82 | 77 | 147
06 | 51 | 81|139|276 |177| 86
05 | 65 |126|80 |55(2)|126|73
04 | 67 |119|57 | n/a | 208| 34
03 |n/a |14 | 23 | n/a|48(3)|n/a
Tot|368|363|477|565|655|370

Can see a pattern forming were us oldies saw LFS peek in 05-06, not exactly a large sample though lol funnily though it fits with my recollection.

[danowat]

Interesting pattern emerging.....

[blackbird04217]

2009 for LFS. Well, I left for over half of the year, and haven't been able to play Multiplayer for some reason or another for the other half. Which is unfortunate.

Head-to-Head Series proved busier than ever at the start of 2009, providing some of the closest action ever. Also added was the Head-to-Head Allstar Cup, which was a huge hit. Unfortunately a bad date was chosen, but overall the live broadcast and event went extremely well.

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After a long break away from the community I came back and was stunned at how the community has degraded. So many people complaining about development speed when really they miss the entire point; the game is still be developed in the first place. Considering that development is going on, and huge developments at that; fixing some issues with tire physics, adding a laser scanned real-life track, etc... I think 2009 proved to be a busy and stressful year for the developers who are no doubt putting their heart into the project.

I didn't get to do a few things in LFS I wanted to this year, because of my "silly" (A censored word...) internet connection. But 2010 will give me that chance.

[dawesdust_12]

I still want to do a 24 hour race by myself. Just to say I did. It's a mental task I know. Also I wanna do it in an XRG :p. Someone needs to get another KY3R/LRF+GTR+STD Enduro race going.

That's the only racing thing I still want to do in LFS. I'd race it more recreationally if it wasn't so retarded with servers.

Development speed isn't even important to me. I know stuff will be released when it gets released, I'll be putting down 3 S3 licences when it does. Rockingham will be fun. Scirocco is meh to me. (FWD --> Bad).

So someone, go organize a 24 hour race for me, I need one :p

[Bmxtwins]

How do you find the days online stats :D

[dawesdust_12]

Manually by searching through your races list.

[blackbird04217]

Ha, I still wanna do a 24hr event myself. I have done 6hrs alone with quite well results. Started a 12hr but got frustrated when the higher classed racers were not passing fairly and just rammed me off the track. I will give this another try and practice for that 24hr.

Even in the 6hr event you start to feel fatigue coming in, not only mentally; physically your back starts aching from holding posture for racing so long. I can only imagine what holding your piss for 24hrs would do though, I suppose a bottle next to you would have to work and likely some in-house support would be useful; for a quick snack/drink. I was planning on having a nearby cooler and only drinking/eating/pissing during pitstops making a few pitstops run a little longer - but when the challenge is racing for 24hrs I wouldn't care about my position.

Problem is a lot of the events force a particular number of racers. Even in the DoP 12hr race they forced racers but since I had done the 6hr race alone and approached them directly they were able to let me race alone, I wonder if 2010 is my year.

Slightly off the topic of the thread, but I couldn't resist.

[dawesdust_12]

I had approval in the 24 hr race at KY3R.. but then my G25 failed (shorted out :( ).. It was depressing for me. I even had it all planned out. Pizza on my bed behind me to eat during pitstops/straightaways. Pay my sisters/mom off to bring me coffee, and take a piss during pitstops.

Even if I never finished, it'd be a good bit of research to use for studying the effects of fatigue on a driver. In a sandbox that nobody will die in real life.

[blackbird04217]

Nice, we oughta get together and try getting into the same 24hr race so that we have some 'even' competition. There is no point in competing against the teams of drivers. But to see the effects of fatigue, and challenge myself to overcome it is the primary goal and reason behind my desire to do this. Contact me ahead of time in 2010 when you have plans to, I'll see if my connection is handling multiplayer and if I have the time to do it. Although, I won't do it in a GTR class; LX6 would be the best for my tastes.

[STF]

Why go pee? You`re wasting time :tilt:
http://www.nycib.org/nycib/product.html
http://www.oxaero.com/Relief.asp
etc

[Timo1992]

I think the devs should sell LFS to a publisher, e.g. Simbin, which is motivated enough to develop that huge potential that LFS has.


+1

i agree with steffen here, would be great to have a 24 MoE race at the nordschleife in LFS :)

[Glenn67]

I had approval in the 24 hr race at KY3R.. [snip]
Even if I never finished, it'd be a good bit of research to use for studying the effects of fatigue on a driver. In a sandbox that nobody will die in real life.

I've driven for 36 hours with one break of two hours in real life, but certainly not on a race track at ten tenths and it isn't something I'd recommend or would do again :Looking_a.
Even a one and a half hour stint I find myself prone to mistakes around the 1 hour mark.
The most difficult stage in real life is about 12 hours in, after that it seems to get easier again. Would be interesting to see if something similar happens in race conditions :D

[blackbird04217]

If I was in a real-life car that solution might seem acceptable to me, whereas I am not, that solution is left unacceptable, to me. Is the thread going to get back on the original topic? Dawesdust and I derailed it for a fair number of posts :D

[danowat]

I've driven for 36 hours with one break of two hours in real life

I did 18 hours straight, only stopping for fuel, the other year in Australia, not pleasent.

Quite why anyone would want to do anything like that, for fun, is beyond me!!!

[blackbird04217]

I think the devs should sell LFS to a publisher, e.g. Simbin, which is motivated enough to develop that huge potential that LFS has.

+1

i agree with steffen here, would be great to have a 24 MoE race at the nordschleife in LFS :)

- I would have to disagree about the publisher act. Publishers will push the project in a direction that a LOT of the current community would not like; casualized to death and a fully different style gameplay. IMO it would be a terrible idea for LFS to be directed by anyone other than who it is now. Publishers care about money, not project integrity or direction. They feed the public 'what the public wants', and to be honest, the majority of the public doesn't want a racing simulator, they want racing games where they can go around a corner at 180mph - (arguably this point can go on because the publisher -constantly- casualize their games to death so that the current generation of gamers don't know or care what skill or learning is in a game.)


I've driven for 36 hours with one break of two hours in real life, but certainly not on a race track at ten tenths and it isn't something I'd recommend or would do again :Looking_a.
Even a one and a half hour stint I find myself prone to mistakes around the 1 hour mark.
The most difficult stage in real life is about 12 hours in, after that it seems to get easier again. Would be interesting to see if something similar happens in race conditions :D

I've done 28 to 32 hours a handful of times in my life. Only stops (typically) were fueling up and quick bathroom brakes. Of course, as you pointed out - much different than racing at speed. Also I agree with your statement it starts getting easier again, but it also tends to wear down quicker after 24hrs pass. From my experience. Whenever I did the trip with a passenger I would try having them sleep in the middle of the ride somewhere, so they will be awake and chatty during the final leg.

[Ger Roady]

Off topic " I want to die like my grandpa - fallen asleep. Not like his passengers screaming and in panic ."

[Glenn67]

Ok to add to the days driven per year stats, here is a "significant patches per year" stat*:

09 | 1?
08 | 1
07 | 2
06 | 2
05 | 3
04 | 3

*this is subjective from a quick search, definitely not conclusive!

What I considered significant patches:
12/2003 0.3E S1
03/2004 0.3F S1 - patch that was current when I found LFS early April 04
04/2004 0.3G S1
10/2004 0.5K Pre official S2
04/2005 0.5L
06/2005 0.5P First S2 with full content
04/2006 0.5T
12/2006 0.5V
06/2007 0.5X
12/2007 0.5Y
07/2008 0.5Z
11/2009 0.5Z28 questionable as to how significant, really the next patch release with significant new content is the next one in the line.

So really content peaked in mid 05 with some solid improvements in 06 which then has tapped since, so while LFS online numbers stay relatively constant it can be seen that long term player usage does correlate somewhat with significant patch releases*. No surprise to most of us though I should imagine :)

[richard dk]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :schwitz:

[ACCAkut]

How I see it we heard from the devs and thier plans only because someone was able to spot the Rockingham version at the track and the Devs couldn't deny it, exactly the same thing with the Scirocco.

For me my LFS year consisted of my obligatory Friday, Saturday and Sunday race hours, but I played a lot less than the years before, and its always on par with TV in relevance, guess that why I haven't been active in any league yet, can't be bothered to race when I have to.

[Glenn67]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :schwitz:
Yeah it's put me to sleep as well :p helped me wind down for the day though and now I'm ready for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :razz:

[Rappa Z]

Honestly, I think it was awful. I probably played LFS a quarter of what i played in the years before. I wouldn't really blame this on slow development or anything like that, but I'm not interested in all the stupid points systems and stupid combos. I spent a good 6 months of 2008 ptting in probably 10 or more race a week on AS Club - FOX, not only do I never see that combo now but I'm only putting in maybe 5 races a month. Remember when CTRA shut down, and all those "normal" servers opened up? I loved those, where everyone could jump in a TBO from the start. Now though, it's either AS Nat - GTR or some mix server.

[tristancliffe]

Hmm could be a link :drink:is this a good year for you then?

Stats for those that find it interesting, hope you don't mind :schwitz:

Year|Glenn67|Tristan|Danowat|Bawbag|Sidi|Dawesdust _12
09 | 77 | 0 | 23 | 45 | 4 | 1
08 | 58 | 2 | 72 |107 | 15 | 29
07 | 50 | 21| 83 | 82 | 77 | 147
06 | 51 | 81|139|276 |177| 86
05 | 65 |126|80 |55(2)|126|73
04 | 67 |119|57 | n/a | 208| 34
03 |n/a |14 | 23 | n/a|48(3)|n/a
Tot|368|363|477|565|655|370

Can see a pattern forming were us oldies saw LFS peek in 05-06, not exactly a large sample though lol funnily though it fits with my recollection.

In 08 and the first half of 09 I did play quite a lot, but on demo servers or offline; which would bring my total up by 5 or 6. In the latter half of 09 it was the occasional offline blast in something like the FO8.

But I just don't have much time. If you could understand just how much time I have to put into going racing for real then you'd understand why LFS is something I remain very interested in but generally unable to play. It isn't like I don't WANT to - my wheel is still plugged in and ready to move into position...

[dawesdust_12]

Nice, we oughta get together and try getting into the same 24hr race so that we have some 'even' competition. There is no point in competing against the teams of drivers. But to see the effects of fatigue, and challenge myself to overcome it is the primary goal and reason behind my desire to do this. Contact me ahead of time in 2010 when you have plans to, I'll see if my connection is handling multiplayer and if I have the time to do it. Although, I won't do it in a GTR class; LX6 would be the best for my tastes.

I still would rather do it in a 24 hour competition (for recognition mostly, and to have the difficulty of dealing with the faster cars overtaking every 10 seconds). I wouldn't do it in a GTR, nor a LRF. I'd want to do it in my trusty XRG.. I even still have my 24H skin laying around.

Maybe we can convince someone into starting one, I'd say organize one myself.. but I lack a lot of the programming or resources to do it.

[blackbird04217]

I wasn't saying to do it outside the realm of a competition. I am suggesting if you find a 24hr event that allows you to race give me aheads up, I'd like to try it on the same as you. Yea two cars driving around the track for 24hrs, now that would be boring!

[vellanet]

8 Online laps in 2009 :(

I'm not complaining but I really do miss the golden days of "Release Early, Release Often"

[e.M]

dont worry devs just took more then they could handle, after all these things they are working on we will have fast updates again

[AndRand]

I think devs were triggered by VWS and forced to put the sim to next level. They are competing with iRacing, new X-Motor Racing and still modded rFactor, but will not compete with novelties and graphics. It is the physics - so the parameters in the sim would very acurately correspond with real parameters of the real cars. For now the goal was to make cars LOOKING as behaving as real ones. Now they really have to behave like real cars using the same parameters.

[Glenn67]

But I just don't have much time. If you could understand just how much time I have to put into going racing for real then you'd understand why LFS is something I remain very interested in but generally unable to play. It isn't like I don't WANT to - my wheel is still plugged in and ready to move into position...

I know what it is like to not have much time, I've been renovating houses (myself), subdividing blocks and getting houses built, working a job concurrently, then a year and half ago bought a business and am currently heavily involved in expanding it along with ongoing renovation and subdivision projects.
What helped me and the stats show it is that I built a racing rig in a day and a half and now have a set up I can jump into anytime I have some spare time without having to set anything up, normally this is between 10pm and midnight :). But if I were in your shoes I'd be spending all my energy on the real thing too.

[pik_d]

LFS looks fine to me. Not as much growth at previous years (if any at all) but it hasn't declined at all.

This is actually the year that I got into league racing so for me 2009 has been pretty fun.

[GianniC]

Changing the LFSWorld Smap Box is horrible, 2010 is doomed!

[hazaky]

For me, neutral ... patches we're good indeed but overall ... nothing new. :shrug:

[Schooner]

LFS is still here. People are still racing. I think it went pretty damn well.

[AndRand]

LFS looks fine to me. Not as much growth at previous years (if any at all) but it hasn't declined at all.

This is actually the year that I got into league racing so for me 2009 has been pretty fun.
LFS was launched in 2003? So it is 6*365=2190, so put 3000 to select timespan there :shrug: something's wrong there

[pik_d]

LFS was launched in 2003? So it is 6*365=2190, so put 3000 to select timespan there :shrug: something's wrong there
In the upper left:
Select which timespan you want to see for the graph. Click either a predefined link, or enter the number of days manually (max 30 days)
You can do up to a month manually, or use one of the pre-determined amount of days. I marked off 2009 with the red lines to the closest that my calculations could get me. Also LFSW was not launched when LFS was launched. I think LFSW was launched in 2005 but I'm not sure.

[bavorak]

I have bought a wheel and was improving all the year...
I mastered 3h of AS4 XRR all alone...never more :D
and I had a few good races and few good hotlaps :)
so all in all it was a good year with lfs for me...I still cant have 3 days in a row without it and I enjoy every minute of driving :)
and I hope I will compete in more organized races this year and there is still much to improve