Why "Live for Speed" ?

[breadfan]

Why was this name chosen in the beginning? Not that I don't like it, but everytime some friend of mine asks what's my favorite game and I say "Live for Speed", they respond in confusion: "You mean Need for Speed, right?"

And then I have to explain that LFS is a racing simulator and they go on: "Yes, then you mean Need for Speed". After explaining what a racing simulator is, they finally understand that it's a different game, but still can't get their heads around the similar name.

My question is then, what lead to the name "Live for Speed" ? Was the similarity intentional? Was it a sort of "marketing" strategy in the beginning? Or was it just the developers' way of life? You know...for Speed?

[jakeeatworld]

haha, yeah, it gets so frustrating! ;p
Your story matches mine 100% :)

[SparkyDave]

IIRC is was decided via a community poll :) over at RSC

SD.

[e.M]

what were other choises?

[alliennas]

dunno, maybe iSpeed Racing simulator :really: :) Simulator of a decade.. :D

[SparkyDave]

what were other choises?

Unfortunatly it looks like RSC forum could be permently down :(

unless someone with a better (younger?) memory than mine can remember, I havn't a clue :)I think it was in late 2002 but can't be sure.

I remember voting for the logo also :)

SD.

[marzman]

what were other choises?
Rfactor, iRacing. But that names didn't make it ;)

[hrtburnout]

what were other choises?

Wait for Speed.

Oh snap! :schwitz:

[Jordan2007]

In my mind, Its just a term that racing Is Life.

[Biohazard]

Wait for Speed.

Oh snap! :schwitz:


:D
bad boy, mr. land.

[Rudy van Buren]

Wait for Speed.

Oh snap! :schwitz:


loool :razz:

[Mrwei]

Live for Race!:thumb:

[iFastLT]

Because you need live long virtual life to be fast

[Kendercik]

Enjoyed your story. Totally same here:razz:
need for speed, lol

[bavorak]

I like the name - "Life for speed" - it nicely defines the game and my feeling while playing it but it is really confusing for people who hear the name for the first time and I also hate the whole explaining that no, I am not a 10-year old child playing nfs... this is something far different...
I remember only one time that a friend of mine asked me what I was playing on the wheel and I said Live for speed and I automatically started explaining and he stopped me that he knew the game :D

and the other problem is...when I explain it is a great simulator and they want to try it, majority of them cant make one corner properly which seems like it is very far from reality but I think the problem is they dont feel the speed because going 80kph in lfs is like going 30kph in a real car...if you dont feel the forces it really degrades feeling of speed

[th84]

If the vote took place today, the winner would be "Live for Updates".

[Ger Roady]

what were other choises?

"Moaners Heaven" but there was a bar in Tijuana that has the right of this name ,so Lfs was the second choice.

[exspeed]

Kinda similar thing was asked from me too once, I said also "Live for speed" and then I get a response asking me, which one of it you're playing? I was like omg.. and had to repeat the name many times... :shrug:

[NitroNitrous]

...I think the problem is they dont feel the speed because going 80kph in lfs is like going 30kph in a real car...if you dont feel the forces it really degrades feeling of speed

That's because of the fov. One of the main things which help you to feel the speed are the sides of the road passing fast. The problem is, with a single screen is not possible to see the sides as you'd do in real life. Try to adjust the fov to lets say 20 degrees and drive your car at 200kph. It looks like if you were parking the car at 0.5kph. Some other games add fake effects like motion blur, inexistent vibrations, etc to compensate this lack, but we know how LFS is so we don't want that. 3 screens is a good solution :thumbsup:

And yeah, I have the same story when I talk someone about LFS

[Greboth]

If anyone asks generally I go for "It's called LFS, it stands for live for speed" and more often than not they pay attention to the LFS so realise its not live for speed.

And Off topic: Why does every thread have to be a dig at the development speed :banghead:

[JasonJ]

If because of the name you have to explain to people what is the difference is between a "simulator" and a "game" then you are educating them. Which is a good thing.

[NitroNitrous]

...then you are educating them. Which is a good thing.

And hard. Some of them cry when you explain them that NFS and Race Driver are not simulators :D

[e.M]

Wait for Speed.

Oh snap! :schwitz:
this name would fit perfectly today :D
im not moaning just saying:)

[UnknownMaster21]

I remember my friend, who always annoyed me about I am playing LFS

He called LFS = Life For S*ckers :shrug:

[hazaky]

Live for Race!:thumb:
In this case it would be "Live To Race!" :tilt:

Btw, the same thing with me. They ask what im playng, i say lfs and then theyr like "nfs?". I like this name tho.

[Myw]

"Moaners Heaven" but there was a bar in Tijuana that has the right of this name ,so Lfs was the second choice.
Awesome, I lol'd at that.

This question has also been on my mind a lot. It's a great simulation and it doesn't deserve any relation to NFS, in my opinion.

[Mysho]

A lot of my RL friends are always pronouncing it as "Life" for Speed, but I guess it's at least better than Need for Speed. :D

[AcesHigh]

Actually Need For Speed is a great name IMO, but i dont say that loud! :x

Ivé had thoughts about the name aswell... why choose a name so closely confused with NFS?

The word "LIVE" can also be used to describe online gaming. Indicating that the games focus mainly on online playing.

Or just "Live for" as in dedicated to.

Or maybe both at the same time! :thumb:

so maybe "Online for speed" or just "live for speed" :shy:


Hmm now i just realise how f*cked up this post is:D wonder what that "shroom" i ate came from... :schwitz:

[breadfan]

A lot of my RL friends are always pronouncing it as "Life" for Speed, but I guess it's at least better than Need for Speed. :D

Same here actually.

As for the relation between NFS and LFS, my theory is...
Need for Speed is just that - the need for speed. The urge to go fast, nothing more.
Live for Speed means that you have to live to be fast, it means dedication, concentration, hours of training and experience.

[bavorak]

A lot of my RL friends are always pronouncing it as "Life" for Speed, but I guess it's at least better than Need for Speed. :D
there are hardly any people from slovakia/czech rep. who would pronounce it properly... but for example if you have LIVE in a meaning of LIVE TV broadcasting it is pronounced [laiv] - that is a bit closer :D
Same here actually.

As for the relation between NFS and LFS, my theory is...
Need for Speed is just that - the need for speed. The urge to go fast, nothing more.
Live for Speed means that you have to live to be fast, it means dedication, concentration, hours of training and experience.
funny to look at your avatar while reading your post...it seems to be so serious when "jeremy is saying that" :D

[JasonJ]

omgz this is race sim not speed sim :really:
http://www.wfu.edu/physics/demolabs/demos/1/1d/1d6026.jpg



How about Live to Flame ?

[legoflamb]

Next time someone asks me, "what games do you like," I am going to respond, "I don't play games, I live for speed."

[JasonJ]

They'll just think you're an ultra-hard-core nfs player or a weirdo.... But it's worth a try.

Until this game, err... sim goes final S3 and we see it on the shelves etc. no-ones gonna know what we are on about.

I told one of the sales reps at EB games I play Live For speed, and he said, "oh the one with all the old school cars?"

I was like :) ..... then I was like :really:

[legoflamb]

I'm already a weirdo, I play live for speed more than I sleep. So that doesn't bother me much.

[Mr.Lay!pp]

:nod: Have no money to drive real car,just live for speed.

[legoflamb]

And gokarts!

[rockclan]

and gokarts!

+1

[Krane]

IIRC is was decided via a community poll :) over at RSC

SD.Nope, there was no poll for the name, it was LFS from the start. Although there was competition/poll for the LFS logo. Badly needed as the old logo was .... meh. :razz:

http://upload.lfsmanual.net/images/b/b9/LFS_800.gif

[SparkyDave]

Apologies for getting it wrong, Yes I remember seeing something like that logo. and defo remember the logo comp :)
My memorys not what it it used to be :Looking_a
Thats got me wondering why/how/who did name the project "LiveForSpeed" my guess is it must have been Scawen, possibly even in his Lionhead days, who first thought it up?

SD.

[breadfan]

I like the name - "Life for speed" - it nicely defines the game and my feeling while playing it but it is really confusing for people who hear the name for the first time and I also hate the whole explaining that no, I am not a 10-year old child playing nfs... this is something far different...
I remember only one time that a friend of mine asked me what I was playing on the wheel and I said Live for speed and I automatically started explaining and he stopped me that he knew the game :D

and the other problem is...when I explain it is a great simulator and they want to try it, majority of them cant make one corner properly which seems like it is very far from reality but I think the problem is they dont feel the speed because going 80kph in lfs is like going 30kph in a real car...if you dont feel the forces it really degrades feeling of speed

The problem is that they are mostly used to taking a corner doing 160mph. I hardly ever used brakes in NFS. Better yet, LFS is a shitty game because you cannot drift properly, you need to use too many inputs at the same time, which sucks.

I remember playing NFS again after a long period of LFS-ing and I just couldn't believe how wrong this POS game is. How could have I thought back then that I was a good driver? I was speeding (massively) in a Gallardo through a downtown, handbrake turns everywhere, nitrous blazing through the engine and humongous motion blur all around your head, YEAH!

Oh and sorry for going offtopic, but since it is my thread, I am excused :P

[Schooner]

LFS is a shitty game because you cannot drift properlyYes this is a major problem as with a lot of other software I have. Every time I try to draw pictures with my programming text editor, do calculations with my paint program, or balance my checkbook using my media player I have the same thought you did.

[5tag]

Yes this is a major problem as with a lot of other software I have. Every time I try to draw pictures with my programming text editor, do calculations with my paint program, or balance my checkbook using my media player I have the same thought you did.


Give him a break. As long as his intention was not to complain about there are no options to setup the lock to a 1440 degrees there's nothing wrong with that.

[breadfan]

I think that there is some misunderstanding.

I was being sarcastic. What I meant to say is: Lots of people, mainly kids, play Need for Speed for hours and then they think that they are the best drifters in the world. These same kids then somehow get sat behind a G25 and LFS and start to complain about it being a shitty game, because you need to do too much stuff at a time to achieve a 2-second drift.

I was the same. I remember yelling: "Why doesn't the f...ing car brake better? Why do I oversteer all the time? Why do I have to go so slow through every corner? This LFS game sucks!"

Then I got the hang of it and after some time I nostalgically returned to playing NFS and I must say I was amazed how bad, and I mean BAAAD (as in PowerGlove baaad) the arcadey physics are.

[5tag]

I think that
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LFS game sucks
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and I must say I was amazed how
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bad, and
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arcadey physics are.

Ah, I see. Sometimes I don't read properly. :twirl: I just saw Schooners post with what he quoted and commented on that.^^

[Schooner]

I think that there is some misunderstanding.
My sincere apology, the misunderstanding was mine. I was speed reading and saw "LSF sucks for drifting" and.... well....

I have nothing against drifters, or drifting, or anything anyone wants to do with the game they bought. As long as they go to the drift servers, or the cruise servers, more power to them. I thought someone was complaining about not being able to drift in a racing simulator.

OT - I can't think of a better name for LFS. Fits perfectly.

[Mysho]

I think that there is some misunderstanding.

I was being sarcastic. What I meant to say is: Lots of people, mainly kids, play Need for Speed for hours and then they think that they are the best drifters in the world. These same kids then somehow get sat behind a G25 and LFS and start to complain about it being a shitty game, because you need to do too much stuff at a time to achieve a 2-second drift.

I was the same. I remember yelling: "Why doesn't the f...ing car brake better? Why do I oversteer all the time? Why do I have to go so slow through every corner? This LFS game sucks!"

Then I got the hang of it and after some time I nostalgically returned to playing NFS and I must say I was amazed how bad, and I mean BAAAD (as in PowerGlove baaad) the arcadey physics are.

Well I was playing NFS as well but when I discovered LFS and couldn't brake or turn properly I was somehow happy that I finally found THE game (simulator) because NFS was year by year reason why I started this searching :P .

[brt900]

i always get people saying oh you mean need for speed you noob and then i just respond to no your the noob you play nfs i play a good game not as funny when typed

[AcesHigh]

i always get people saying oh you mean need for speed you noob and then i just respond to no your the noob you play nfs i play a good game not as funny when typed

Im totally with you on that one! :razz:

Its so funny when you PWN people by throwning it back at them, the usual dialouge looks like this.


Person- What games do you play.

me- [insert game here] and [insert game here] and Live For Speed(LFS)

Person- you mean Need For Speed (and looks at me like im a total n00b)

me- no this is a different game, its much better...

Person- Sounds like a cheap copy, cant be better than NFS!

me- its doesnt have anything to do with NFS other than the simular names.

Then i explain all about LFS. And occasionally someone takes interest in the game and some people just says "ok sounds like crap, ill go play NFS most wanted".

[brt900]

all ym friends are liek omgz new nfz az got da skyline n u can mod em up n that its well sik then i say yoou should try lfs and there liek i just said i played nfs u noob then i describe lfs and they always say omg sounds fur gud but can u tun up ur carz n that and put body kitz on i jus {insert facepalm}

[Schooner]

all ym friends are liek omgz new nfz az got da skyline n u can mod em up n that its well sik then i say yoou should try lfs and there liek i just said i played nfs u noob then i describe lfs and they always say omg sounds fur gud but can u tun up ur carz n that and put body kitz on i jus {insert facepalm}You lost me right after the word "all"... what planet is this language from?

[logitekg25]

i think it fits.

i played a arcade game (literally in an arcade :D) it had a clutch and a 6-speed shifter, but not the g25, on an arcadey game, i was so obsessed with it, i looked up for christmas a wheel with a clutch. i found the g25, then i got it.

nfs just wouldnt cut it for the g25, i knee tt, it was obvious....the first game i played with it, was undercover. i went to the computer, and yes...yahoo answers :razz:

i found all these suggestions for rfactor, and iracing, and GTR, and all that. i knew the demos werent that good.....so i finally found one with the name lfs, i havent heard of it....so i looked it up. everyone from my noobish eyes was like 'omgawd dis iz da best simul8r EVARR!!!!11!11!1' so i thought, let me try it, i could not think of a username, and i thought i would not like it at all, and quit, so i picked the username that cme to mind first, logitekg25 :razz:

then i absolutely loved it, and then well...check my signature :D :shy:

[5tag]

You lost me right after the word "all"... what planet is this language from?

This one (http://icanhascheezburger.com/) I assume. He's trying to be funny.

[buntatofu86]

I believe one of the best ways to rate the realism of a racing simulator is to drift in it... and LFS feels the closest to the real thing IMO. That says a lot about the physics and vehicle dynamics.

[logitekg25]

one of the sexiest things you can do with a car imho....is get a still camera, and oversteer and brake hard, so its coming right toward the camera, so you have aide profile, body roll, and oversteer, if you can picture it :tilt:

and i believe the new patch that will come, will have improved body roll :D

EDIT: this is better then now right :rolleyes:
http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=90852&d=1250881953

[Kamrock]

one of the sexiest things you can do with a car imho....is get a still camera, and oversteer and brake hard, so its coming right toward the camera, so you have aide profile, body roll, and oversteer, if you can picture it :tilt:

and i believe the new patch that will come, will have improved body roll :D

EDIT: this is better then now right :rolleyes:
http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=90852&d=1250881953

LOLZ Poser!!

I am looking forward to car roll... it's really quite weird to see a car "dive" under braking and stay flat through the corners... hehe.

Regarding the OP... I once had to endure someone (with one of the later NFS titles) lecture me on how he could drive "Real cars" and because it had "Real cars" it must be realistic, I mean, manufacturers wouldn't allow their cars to be represented in a false fashion, would they?

I cba to argue with him, so I just nodded and moved away...

[CSU1]

wait for speed.

Oh snap! :schwitz:

:d

[JasonJ]

LOLZ Poser!!
...

It's a stock photo, he isn't posing.

http://www.lfs.net/page_images/pics/xrg_lean.jpg

[Timo1992]

all ym friends are liek omgz new nfz az got da skyline n u can mod em up n that its well sik then i say yoou should try lfs and there liek i just said i played nfs u noob then i describe lfs and they always say omg sounds fur gud but can u tun up ur carz n that and put body kitz on i jus {insert facepalm}


Ah come on man, you're british and it's your native language.

So you should talk english and not that language above...:schwitz:

[brandons48]

I think it is "Chav" language.

I must say that brt's chavspeak is very accurate.

except he missed the word "BWAAAIIIIII" :thumbsup:

[The Stig PL]

funny to look at your avatar while reading your post...it seems to be so serious when "jeremy is saying that" :DMaybe it's him playing breadfan. :D

[Kamrock]

It's a stock photo, he isn't posing.

http://www.lfs.net/page_images/pics/xrg_lean.jpg


Nah, I didn't mean the picture, hehe, I was refering to him saying:


one of the sexiest things you can do with a car imho....is get a still camera, and oversteer and brake hard, so its coming right toward the camera, so you have aide profile, body roll, and oversteer, if you can picture it :tilt:


Not the picture itself...