LFS.net has an update!!!

[Tweaker]

Goo looook! :D

http://www.liveforspeed.net/

Sweet!

[Blackout]

Just noticed too, I was just about to make a thread...wee :thumb:
Seems we are getting litle updates every day or two.... hahaa nK :razz:

edit. every day? :O
edit 2. this is evil way to tease people! :D

[Lucasinio]

Nice find!!:thumb:

[BlackMan]

Ye, it looks now better :)

[ATHome]

Simple thing, but great effect... Looks so much nicer, let's look what we will see tomorrow :thumb:

[Primoz]

:trampolin
:woohoo:

[axus]

:tilt: nK what?

[AtomAnt]

Looks like they plan to torture us day by day.lol

It should be well worth the wait.

Thanks for the heads up Tweak

[tristancliffe]

Nice update - can't wait to see this in game... Wonder what day two holds. I think my spleen will burst will all the excitment of the last two days...

[XRRoy]

if this is only the beginning.....:trampolin

[the_angry_angel]

I am teh excited!!1111oneone

Honestly, it's nice to see the propaganda machine at LFS towers working overtime, especially with this new approach - I think theres definately going to be no "over cooking", which the community experienced during pre-S2 Alpha :up:

<welsh>Oooooohhh, very excitin'</welsh>

[Blackout]

Hmm, now we can start betting on when the patch is coming, how many litle teasers they can make out of all new thingys?

:scratchch

[Frankmd]

Looks like they plan to torture us day by day.lol

It should be well worth the wait.

Thanks for the heads up Tweak

Forget waterdrops, forget bamboosticks between your fingernails, forget bonecracking, this is the Mother Of All Torture Methods.

Hmm, now we can start betting on when the patch is coming, how many litle teasers they can make out of all new thingys?


Hehe, yeh, this way you HOPE that it will come on the last day this month

[Paranoid Android]

This daily update thing is even better than the patch itself!!! :woohoo:
Lfs is back on track!!!

[Chaos]

hmmm nice, can't wait when the time comes when will the tyres from different manufacturers have different characteristics :thumb:

[franky500]

cool there gonna tease us :D

[silent_wind]

:tilt: nK what?
PRO and it's a pretty good sim :thumb:

now it's good news to have those tire sidewalls stuff..i mean it looks very good indeed :tilt:

[ORION]

Looks like they plan to torture us day by day.lol
lol you guys wanted more progress reports, now you get them every day, and your still moaning - LOL :D :pillepall

just kiddin :D


Good stuff there, those tyres looks like loads of grip :smileypul

[colcob]

Argh. I dont know if I can take it.

Its some kind of torture, look at it this way, the longer we have to wait for the patch, the more new features there are going to be in it.

[SniperX]

ooo, thats evil :D

[GeForz]

Ah nice updated aston with spectators on the Grandstand :)

[ajp71]

I like :)

[bobvanvliet]

Nice move from the devs.

Anyone else notice the sunstrip on the helmet visor in the FO8 screenie? :Looking_a

Edit: Maybe I'll get the patch for my birthday on the 22nd :D

[three_jump]

:thumb:

hmm, i think it's a bit like a x-mas calendar... :D

[Qurpiz]

Yay!!
Tire manufactures... So in future there could be differences between say, Cromo and Scavier tyres? Awesome.

EDIT:
Anyone else noticed the crowds in the pic with FO8?

[Cue-Ball]

Anyone else notice the stands in the first picture? Talk about new and improved crowds in the stands! You can actually tell that those are people, not just fuzzy blobs.

[bo-kristiansen]

I wonder what 4 tyrebrands its gonna be... :scratchch

Cromo... Evostar.... hmm.... ? ?

[bo-kristiansen]

Nice move from the devs.

Anyone else notice the sunstrip on the helmet visor in the FO8 screenie? :Looking_a

Edit: Maybe I'll get the patch for my birthday on the 22nd :D

yes I see that too... a part of the visor maybe skinable??? :Looking_a :)

[Matrixi]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you for these updates! :woohoo:

[franky500]

now it would be nice if the graphics wore dwn with the tyre :)

[bobvanvliet]

yes I see that too... a part of the visor maybe skinable??? :Looking_a :)

That would be awesome for team URLs or something. :thumb:

[Nighthawk]

yeeehaaaa! great! small things can change the world! :scratchch:D
:trampolin :trampolin
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: cant wait!

[SchneeFee]

yes!
:banana::banana::banana:

[(SaM)]

You know what? I actually enjoyed the tyrewalls pics more than the entire Nektar Pro demo! :D

[Vendetta]

such a small feature, but looks so great! each day is gonna be painful! oo the excitement :D

[bobvanvliet]

You know what? I actually enjoyed the tyrewalls pics more than the entire Nektar Pro demo! :D
Yup, same here. :smileypul

To be completely honest, I actually yelled "yes!!" quite loudly when I saw the thumbnail (hadn't even read the text)... I think I'll go get a life tomorrow. I heard they sell quite nice ones in a shop around the corner here. :shy: :scratchch

[Theafro]

The tyres on the FXR look different somehow, a bit rounder maybe.

I hope the devs are enjoying teasing us like this,

[uttoro]

Thanks for the news! Great to read :)

[ajp71]

Bit of a jerk reaction to nKP I sense, but I like it. :D


Not so sure I be the devs secretly can't believe their luck when it comes to the joke that was the nK demo with few users ever getting to the stage of really finding the physics and the stupid decision to have no AIM in the demo and the multiplayer problems all they need to do now is release a patch and not cock it up like nK did.

[ajp71]

The tyres on the FXR look different somehow, a bit rounder maybe.


I thought that something doesn't quite look right about the tires in those screens they look somehow arcadey anyway good to see progress reports the visor strip and the crowd :thumb:

[axus]

Tomorrow's update:
Visor Stirp.

What's the bet it will be that? :razz:

[Vendetta]

Or improvements to aston :P :D

[banshee56]

Not so sure I be the devs secretly can't believe their luck when it comes to the joke that was the nK demo with few users ever getting to the stage of really finding the physics and the stupid decision to have no AIM in the demo and the multiplayer problems all they need to do now is release a patch and not cock it up like nK did.

Given how seamlessly S1 started when I first got licensed over 2 years ago and how well every other patch has gone compared to the doggy poo that is the netKar Pro release, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Oh, by the way......WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

[wheeler]

You know what? I actually enjoyed the tyrewalls pics more than the entire Nektar Pro demo! :D
I second that!

how many days are they gonna tease/torture us with new features?

[DeXteRrBDN]

amazing way to tease us!!! :hyper:

[MyBoss]

GAAAAA, I'm going to die.

[bo-kristiansen]

oohhh nooooo... now I have to change ALL my skins with Dunlop logos on... :Looking_a

(oh yeah.. whats the problem, get a life Bo K) :D

...but still hope there will be a choice for plain tyre sidewalls.
-because it will look kind of silly with Dunlop logos on skin and Cromo tyres on the bleedin' car :doh:

[Cue-Ball]

I'm sure that two hours after the patch is released we'll have texture mods for Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, etc.

And the post on lfs.net specifically states you can still use plain sidewalls if you like.

[paddy_racer]

cool:thumb:

[MyBoss]

"For now, the different manufacturers are selected only for graphical effect..."


Does that mean that they plan to give us choises? Like one set of tyres lasts longer, and others heats up quicker and so on?

[ebola]

Ive just spent (wasted) two hours trying to get nk pro working on two machines but to no avail. Decide to surf lfsforum.net and there is an update!!! There is a god, thank you devs!!! :) :) :) :) :)

[Kid222]

.....can't wait! can't wait! :trampolin:trampolin:trampolin

cool:thumb:
your avatar is cool :lovies3d::D

[SamH]

I'm sure that two hours after the patch is released we'll have texture mods for Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, etc.
Oh HELL yeah! :thumb:

This is a great lead-up to the patch! I'm really enjoying it, and looking forward to the next insight, tomorrow. This is the first time I've been as involved in the LFS community in the lead-up to a patch release.

Is it always this exciting? I have this incredible urge to hang stockings on the mantlepiece, decorate a tree, and pluck my pet turkey! :D

[bo-kristiansen]

"For now, the different manufacturers are selected only for graphical effect..."


Does that mean that they plan to give us choises? Like one set of tyres lasts longer, and others heats up quicker and so on?

I hope so... :thumb: would be cool.

[SR BaCkFiRe]

If you guys noticed... the stands are now filled with people now too. ;)

[Cue-Ball]

Is it always this exciting? I have this incredible urge to hang stockings on the mantlepiece, decorate a tree, and pluck my pet turkey! :DOkay, that almost made me squirt Pepsi out my nose. :thumb:

pics of turkey? ;)

[Cue-Ball]

If you guys noticed... the stands are now filled with people now too. ;)They were before too. Well, if you count blobs of color as people. :) I'm REALLY glad that they fixed this because I've been planning for months to do a texture mod for the crowds. This will save me a lot of time and trouble. Thanks, Eric! :D

[(SaM)]

The new feature? It's gonna be a new game mode: :thumb:

[SR BaCkFiRe]

They were before too. Well, if you count blobs of color as people. :) I'm REALLY glad that they fixed this because I've been planning for months to do a texture mod for the crowds. This will save me a lot of time and trouble. Thanks, Eric! :D

Yea I knew there were people before but they weren't "people" as you said. :tilt:

[SamH]

pics of turkey? ;)

:tilt:

[Monkay]

little detail baby, little detail. :D

looks like i have a new dds file to play with! weeee!:thumbsup:

[Rappa Z]

Y not make a personal brand like a skin?:)

[Rtsbasic]

This is torture at its worst, the longer the wait the more features there are (that we know about), but I want to play it now :shrug: Ah well, time to set lfs.net as my homepage for the next 20 days.

But the tyre sidewalls do look good..as does the visual updates in the pics, good work :thumb:

[Rappa Z]

Cromo Tyres!!!!!!!!!!

[Shotglass]

The tyres on the FXR look different somehow, a bit rounder maybe.

just the sidewalls bending from the cornering forces i guess

[woodbine]

Looks quite good. ;) But... If anybody else chooses different tyres than I, do I see it or every car on my screen have the same tyres like me? :shrug:

[KiDCoDEa]

Looks like they plan to torture us day by day.lol


yeah in the end you should have nice torture muscles... :D

[(SaM)]

Vendetta and me have this interesting theory.
The sooner the patch is released the better of course, but the logner it takes, the more dailey updates!

[bo-kristiansen]

...this is going to be a LOONG month. :faint2:

[Rappa Z]

how many fetures can there be?

[Vendetta]

"For now, the different manufacturers are selected only for graphical effect..."


Does that mean that they plan to give us choises? Like one set of tyres lasts longer, and others heats up quicker and so on?


...

read the sentence you quoted. it says ONLY for graphical effect :razz: :D

[Cue-Ball]

how many fetures can there be?
Considering we haven't seen much from Eric in a long while, there could be quite a lot of little things. The tire sidewalls and new crowds in the stands are two examples. The helmet visor is another. I'm really hoping we'll see some improvements to the car interiors, maybe some improvements to the race suit and gloves, etc.

I think they could milk this for a while. But there have to be less than 20 features if they're doing 1 per day. :)

[Kajojek(PL)]

Cant wait. What a tortures but good that devs dont use those:x :

Skin flayed off of head, face and body
Nipples pulled off
Fried alive in pans
Bound to pillar head down and roasted
Mouth slit back to ears
Crucified upside down
Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
Thrown out of windows upon upward facing spears
Bodies gored through mouths with pikes
Arms cut off
Torturous slow burning e.g., burn soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc. until dead
Bellies burnt until bowels fell out
Women stripped, hung from tree by their hair and scourged
Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out
Ears bored out
Tongue cut out
Set down (by pulley) into a fire by degrees
Thrown to dogs
Hung up by the heels and choked with smoke
Smothered in caves on mountains
Hearts pulled out, which the papists gnawed with their teeth.
Some roasted upon spits over a soft fire
Some had their bowels pulled out
A smith had his brains beaten out on his anvil with a hammer
Some had sharp instruments forced under their nails and other body parts
Some racked until their bowels broke out
Some had their throats cut with butcher knives
Knocked on the head with axes
Naked women left hung up by one leg on trees until they died
Some slain and their body parts set on stakes for 30 miles streches
Some had their noses and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
Some had their flesh torn with the claws of wild animals
Murdered in a church during sermon
Some hanged by one foot, their hands and breasts in the water
Some hung up by one hand with weights of lead at their heels
Two tied together and slain
Some were torn in pieces by horses
A legion of soldiers cut some to pieces with swords
Some had boots of boiling oil put on their legs over a small fire.
Some hung up on trees by the middle til they died of hunger
Women's bellies ripped up and their children trod underfeetIf you want to read about it http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti6.htm

[Vykos69]

how many fetures can there be?
A LOT, MUHARHARHARHAR ;) j/k, scnr ;)

[Cropsy]

Oooooohhh, very excitin' :D

I imagine there is going to be alot of skin updating if the big tyre companies (bridgestone, yokohama etc) aren't available on the sidewall :scratchch

[axus]

Now the question... what time will the next daily update be? Morning, mid-day... evening? :schwitz:

[Tweaker]

Probably same time as this one. Either way, it will be within 24 hours of each other wouldn't it? :p

[Shotglass]

read the sentence you quoted. it says ONLY for graphical effect :razz: :D

read the sentence you quoted it says "plan to" :p

[96 GTS]

Cant wait. What a tortures but good that devs dont use those:x :
Skin flayed off of head, face and body
Nipples pulled off
Fried alive in pans
Bound to pillar head down and roasted
Mouth slit back to ears
Crucified upside down
Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
Thrown out of windows upon upward facing spears
Bodies gored through mouths with pikes
Arms cut off
Torturous slow burning e.g., burn soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc. until dead
Bellies burnt until bowels fell out
Women stripped, hung from tree by their hair and scourged
Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out
Ears bored out
Tongue cut out
Set down (by pulley) into a fire by degrees
Thrown to dogs
Hung up by the heels and choked with smoke
Smothered in caves on mountains
Hearts pulled out, which the papists gnawed with their teeth.
Some roasted upon spits over a soft fire
Some had their bowels pulled out
A smith had his brains beaten out on his anvil with a hammer
Some had sharp instruments forced under their nails and other body parts
Some racked until their bowels broke out
Some had their throats cut with butcher knives
Knocked on the head with axes
Naked women left hung up by one leg on trees until they died
Some slain and their body parts set on stakes for 30 miles streches
Some had their noses and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
Some had their flesh torn with the claws of wild animals
Murdered in a church during sermon
Some hanged by one foot, their hands and breasts in the water
Some hung up by one hand with weights of lead at their heels
Two tied together and slain
Some were torn in pieces by horses
A legion of soldiers cut some to pieces with swords
Some had boots of boiling oil put on their legs over a small fire.
Some hung up on trees by the middle til they died of hunger
Women's bellies ripped up and their children trod underfeetIf you want to read about it http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti6.htm
Interesting to read, but not quite appropriate to this topic or forum, methinks.

Anyway, I can't play LFS until the second week in may anyway, so this is fun for me :D

[Renku]

April? I was hoping for 24th of June :schwitz:.

[Kajojek(PL)]

Ok should I delete that?

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

WEE, now the tires will look like they're rotating, that's excellent news!

Suspense...

@kajojek: nah just leave it what's done is done.

[Rappa Z]

no, u forgot being hung upside down and being sawed through ur but to ur head

[Hyperactive]

What if I give my netkar pro license and the devs give me the patch :D

[96 GTS]

Ok should I delete that?

Probably not, it's not that big of a deal ;) It's not like you were posting pictures of the results of all these lol

[Bob Smith]

Can anyone else see the four brands eventually replacing R1 through R4? :scratchch

Its some kind of torture, look at it this way, the longer we have to wait for the patch, the more new features there are going to be in it.
Hasn't that always been the case?

[Rappa Z]

i am so nevous 'cause i want to be the first with the patch.

[axus]

i am so nevous 'cause i want to be the first with the patch.

Be my guest and stay awake till the end of April, refreshing liveforspeed.net constantly.

[Rappa Z]

dam...i got school....dam....May 1 i got to go back to the swim team practices...dam...i have to sleep.

POST 300!

[Rob76]

Fantastic news ! :hyper:

So nKP has until the patch is released to win me over, and then I'll be lost to LFS for months :eclipsee_

They'd better hurry up and fix that MP....

[Christian Seidel]

...

read the sentence you quoted. it says ONLY for graphical effect :razz: :D

Yeah, but it also says "For now"...:thumb:

[xapexcivicx]

:D!!!

All I can say is :D!

[Madman_CZ]

ohh an alfs update.. one doesnt check the forum for a few hours and misses all the fun!!!!

dammit!

[Dethred]

See what a little healthy competition can bring about? While I'm not overwhelmed at graphics on the tire sidewall, it is nice to see they are stepping up their game since the new kid (Netkar Pro) arrived to mix things up.

[faster111]

wonder if these updates are for demo racers to one update i canrt wait for is bits falling of cars ect

[Tweaker]

Of course, demo users have always recieved the same exact updates, the only difference is the restricted content the demo has ;) At least slick and aero physics won't be a big change for demo users :p Buy a license man!!!

[faster111]

i know thast why am entering this demo event to hopefuly win a s2

[MyBoss]

...

read the sentence you quoted. it says ONLY for graphical effect :razz: :D
Yeah, but it also says "For now"...:thumb:


nuff said!:razz:

[XCNuse]

OMG!!! people have CLOTHES NOW!!!! WOOOoooooo

no more nudes! lol
now all we need, is some texture to the sidewalls though, not as much as the outside part of the tire, but just a little grain look to it instead of being so smooth

[Hyperactive]

btw. anyone know where that F08 pic is taken at?

[Vendetta]

that tight section included in cadet, national...and some other config i think..tho i think i might be missing the joke here :razz: :D

[Hankstar]

Hope those new sidewalls make 'em nice and sticky :)

[STROBE]

See what a little healthy competition can bring about? While I'm not overwhelmed at graphics on the tire sidewall, it is nice to see they are stepping up their game since the new kid (Netkar Pro) arrived to mix things up.
Yeah, on a negative note, it's a shame it's obviously taken the release of nkp to prompt the devs into actually releasing any kind of information, especially a tease like this - otherwise, I can't help but wonder if we'd all still be in the dark as to where the good 'ole LFS is headed.

On the plus side, it has happened so that's that, and I look forward to seeing the steps this product has taken over the past six months to keep it ahead of the new competition. :thumb:

[MyBoss]

To be honest, I don't have any more expectations than some bug fixin (obvious) and a few other news. Anything else will just blow my mind, and this thread have set my fuse on fire :-D

[Dibblah]

Close to the position... Not quite, but close. The skin's not default, either.
http://www.s2r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot%20-%20S2.JPG

[XCNuse]

its the highres version, i have it too, we got the low resolution ones when S2 was released, but i kept the high res ones when we got the CMX viewer

@hyperactive, thats the "new" aston
after further analysis,......... thats the pits! those people.. are sitting on the pits.. how strange, its taken from that weird chicane thing on aston cadet, its the 2nd sharp U turn

[TaiFong]

Close to the position... Not quite, but close. The skin's not default, either.
http://www.s2r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Screenshot%20-%20S2.JPG

Hm, quite a high res skin they used then. And does anyone else think they made the suspension bars thinner?

[XCNuse]

@tai

i noticed that too, it looks extremely messed up, looks like the wheels are being held by strings pretty much

@dibblah.. you used the wrong skin too lol

[Roadie]

they do look kinda skinny.

http://www.tonivilander.net/upload/media/f3000.jpg

[cannonfodder]

The bars do look a significantly thinner. Compare the two sets against their mountings on the car. Unfortunately it appears the bottom pair is still hanging off the air. Can anyone check for changes to the FXR model? Hmm, does the skin look like it could be more than 1024x768?

[StanleyCarter]

I must say the crowd now looks much much better, they're awesome!

I wonder if they're animated... lol :D

[DratsaB]

Sweet update news :D

The tyre wall graphic is something I had never really thought of, but is such a great addition :thumb:

[KiDCoDEa]

Yeah, on a negative note, it's a shame it's obviously taken the release of nkp to prompt the devs into actually releasing any kind of information

i can garantee u , its been delayed not anticipated. in near future , you will understand. :thumb:
there is no link whatsoever to the release of nkp. coincidently it even looks respectful to start the tease only after. nkp release date has been long known. it has a few days to live...

[Nick_ll]

Wondering:
Why are the tire sidewalls textures not as good as nKPro's? I mean if there's one thing that is good in nKp, it's definitely the tire textures. I believe LFS could/should do as good.

Helmet visor sunstrip or new helmet model?

Why aren't there bolts on wheels (still) if there are hoodpins on the GTRs and bolts on the wings of the FO8?

[sil3ntwar]

yes nkPro does have some nice looking tyres even if they are a bit too shiney.

I like the thinner suspension i think it looks good.

[Verners]

Im only interested in the tyre physics update, all esle is just unnecessary stuff as long as we have better tyre physics.



Hey guys, wasnt it so a few years back that they made an Easter ubdate? Or was that xmas??? Anyway, my bet for the patch date is easter monday, they cant have so much new features to show us untill end of april, can they?

[SniperX]

...
Anyway, my bet for the patch date is easter monday, they cant have so much new features to show us untill end of april, can they?
That is just a question of the level of details.. but this first update was really 3 updates (as far as I can count ;))
:)

[JJ72]

Wondering:
Why are the tire sidewalls textures not as good as nKPro's? I mean if there's one thing that is good in nKp, it's definitely the tire textures. I believe LFS could/should do as good.

Helmet visor sunstrip or new helmet model?

Why aren't there bolts on wheels (still) if there are hoodpins on the GTRs and bolts on the wings of the FO8?

I can't remember the details, but it has something to do with LFS's deformable tire model, being a vector model instead of usual polygon models.

[Nick_ll]

The details is that the wheels in LFS are generated on the fly (I think using a spline and a cross-segment) instead of modeled , and that it is that way because the tires are generated on the fly.
So what I'm asking for basically is for the wheels to be modeled. You really don't want the wheels to deform, never, so I believe they don't need to be generated on the fly. The tires do, but not the wheels. So basically, the wheels can be modeled, which would probably look better anyways. That way they could look better, have bolts, be textured....and I'm sure there are other benefits.

[JJ72]

Well then I always wonder about the missing door handles as well, if there's a serious answer to that question I'll say it's a sort of refinement that come quite low in the dev's list of priority.

me wants alpha layer for car skin as well. :)

[axus]

To be honest, I don't have any more expectations than some bug fixin (obvious) and a few other news. Anything else will just blow my mind, and this thread have set my fuse on fire :-D

Dunno, hey... I've been "hearing things" :razz:
Still don't know what the surprise is and the beta testers are making quite a big deal of the patch so my expectations are high. :smileypul

[DeXteRrBDN]

Beta Stage maybe?? :hyper:

[axus]

Beta Stage maybe?? :hyper:

Who cares about that? The label doesn't matter as long as the features are in. They can rename it to LFS S2 0.2 Pre-Alpha for all I care.

[JJ72]

yeah, Netkar doesn't say Alpha stage on it's website but look what happened. (opps)

[VorTeX3k]

wheeeeehoooooooow :D

That's so f..... great!!! xD

Also it's a very clever move since many people are disappointed of nKp and we now SEE that our gods are not sleeping and working :D

Yehay :D Looking forward when the tyre company also effects the quality of the tyre :)

Also it's only a small shot, you might think "ok, what do i care? text on my tyres... wayne?"..

BUT, i think if the devs also have been able to implement such small improvements besides the promised physics update, this patch will be a real goodie ;)

[bo-kristiansen]

:hyper: cant wait cant wait what will be todays surprise...

- I almost feel like when I was a boy at christmas :D

[XsX!]

:hyper: cant wait cant wait what will be todays surprise...

- I almost feel like when I was a boy at christmas :D

weee
me too :P

[inCogNito]

yeah, Netkar doesn't say Alpha stage on it's website but look what happened. (opps)

yes, that's a great example that the version number doesn't mean anything ;)

[Mc21]

I wonder what this "interesting feature" is gonna be

[felplacerad]

comparison:

[Madman_CZ]

ohhh lets play... SPOT THE DIFFERENCE :D:D

[felplacerad]

that's actually a rather nice screenshot, victor(?) :)

[ORION]

vic doesnt make the screens afaik

[XRRoy]

can't someone say what the 4 tyre brands in LFS are?


and if possible also post psd files of the logo's :)

[XCNuse]

......... is that.... CHROME in the center???? of the wheel?!

@XRRoy.. how would anyone know what the tire brands are, all we know of is cromo .. or atleast thats all i know of,
i hope atleast one of the tire brands is yellow, (surely one is atleast) tires are always yellow or white if colored at all (goodyear eagles are yellow)

[DodgeRacer]

......... is that.... CHROME in the center???? of the wheel?!

@XRRoy.. how would anyone know what the tire brands are, all we know of is cromo .. or atleast thats all i know of,
i hope atleast one of the tire brands is yellow, (surely one is atleast) tires are always yellow or white if colored at all (goodyear eagles are yellow)

No, I fear you have been fooled by the relfective painted "lugless hubs" :razz:

[XRRoy]

@XRRoy.. how would anyone know what the tire brands are, all we know of is cromo .. or atleast thats all i know of,

Evostar Tyres and Gripmaxx sound like tyre brands to me but don't know for sure until someone can confirm it :)

[Vain]

Yay! I eached the end of this thread! When I began reading this it had 3 pages. While clicking on "next page" it grew and grew. Now it says I'm posting on page 5, but propably we're reaching page 6 while I write this...
Anyway, nice to see that the patch is coming. I guess we can expect an easter-release.

Vain

[Rappa Z]

Evostar Tyres and Gripmaxx
YES!!!!!!!

[XRRoy]

YES!!!!!!!
so what is the 4th one then:)

[Warper]

OMG - nice move from the devs. Or not? Now i don't know what to hope, to hope that the patch is released now... or on the last minute in april. Because the longer we don't have the patch, the more features have to be published - because of the "feature by day"-rule they made on their own :)

Greets
:schwitz::woohoo::schwitz:

[Rappa Z]

Hi bite, a neew tyre?

[Tweaker]

OMG - nice move from the devs. Or not? Now i don't know what to hope, to hope that the patch is released now... or on the last minute in april. Because the longer we don't have the patch, the more features have to be published - because of the "feature by day"-rule they made on their own

Greets

You think they are making a new feature each day??? Read what they said:
While we finish the patch, we will post some info and a picture or two about a new feature or update, each day.
To me, that sounds like typical teasage from the devs :p

Rappa Z, I think HiBite is a clutch brand in LFS. lol silly companies :p

[Vain]

Who thinks we're going to get correct clipping & barrier-physics?

Vain

[DeXteRrBDN]

Scavier as a tyre branch?

[felplacerad]

Who thinks we're going to get correct clipping & barrier-physics?

Vain

ohh that would be nice ...

[MyBoss]

me me

[Rappa Z]

Tico?Volante?Gene 6?Freno?KATT?DForce?DNA?Donbikes?

[axus]

They are going for an easter release which is why the patch is delayed - they want to include the new "Drive over the easter bunny mode"... carmagedon style.

[Verners]

You think they are making a new feature each day??? Read what they said:

He didnt mean that.
As i understood, he ment, if the pach is released in a few days, they have only a few features in the patch, but if they have meny new features, then they need meany days to show a feature per day....



Hey warper, its a pretty deep idea you know, thats if i understood you correctly....

[MyBoss]

Well, but they haven't said they show us ALL of the features. Just one feature each day towards the release.

[axus]

Who says they will show all the features in this day by day thing?

And today: the new Aston grass texture.
Day 3: the new Visor Strip
Day 4: the new people in the grand stands at Aston
Day 5: the new Aston configs
...
Day 5463: 3 moved verticies on the LX6 model

[LRB_Aly]

Well only thing that I have to complain (shame on me) is that the tyre brandmark is Cromo Tyres. Now normally you don't see GoodYear Tyres or Bridgestone Tyres on the rims, rather then GoodYear Eagle or Bridgestone Potenza.

[Tweaker]

No there are tire brands that say "Tyres/Tires" on them.....

Avon Tyres
Hankook Tires
TOYO Tires

Some other ones I've seen, just cannot remember. But yes, it isn't common, still not incorrect how Eric or whoever wants to make them look :p

[Warper]

He didnt mean that.
As i understood, he ment, if the pach is released in a few days, they have only a few features in the patch, but if they have meny new features, then they need meany days to show a feature per day....



Hey warper, its a pretty deep idea you know, thats if i understood you correctly....

You got it :) :thumb:

[LRB_Aly]

No there are tire brands that say "Tyres/Tires" on them.....

Avon Tyres
Hankook Tires
TOYO Tires

Some other ones I've seen, just cannot remember. But yes, it isn't common, still not incorrect how Eric or whoever wants to make them look :p

Ok, I stand corrected :)

[letdown427]

Ok, I stand corrected :)

So rarely are people decent enough to say that! Kudos:thumb:

Can't wait for the next update!:schwitz:

[Tweaker]

Well he has a good point. Even those brands I mentioned would normally have something like TOYO Vimode, with Toyo on one side, and Vimode on the other or something.

[hackerx]

Agreed, is bit weird that tyres have TYRES written on them. Otherwise nice feature of course. I think I will use Evostar! :)

[L(Oo)ney]

Well we'll be able to create our own sidewall's i imagine, it'll no doubt be just a dds texture.

[CrazyICE]

Well we'll be able to create our own sidewall's i imagine, it'll no doubt be just a dds texture.
maybe...

[banshee56]

I have one question, and please be gentle on me if it has been answered because I did search, but does this "patch" take S2 Alpha up to S2 Beta, or S2 Final?? :shrug: I guess it doesn't really matter.

To be honest, I consider this patch more important to LFS as a whole than what S2 Alpha was to S1. Considering the release of that "other" game (its not refined enough to call it a simulation yet), if this patch takes LFS to the next level that we all expect, then Live For Speed will re-affirm its position as the premiere racing simulation on the market.

Oh yeah......thank you Scawen, Victor, and Eric. :thumb:

[Huru-aito]

I have one question, and please be gentle on me if it has been answered because I did search, but does this "patch" take S2 Alpha up to S2 Beta, or S2 Final?? :shrug: I guess it doesn't really matter.

To me the name doesn't matter, but the actual quality, features etc. Like it has been with LFS, things are being constantly improved (although the pace might vary).

[banshee56]

I guess my curiosity comes from the fact that a lot of people made a big deal about S2 being Alpha, even though it felt a lot more polished then an "alpha" tag would suggest. It doesn't really matter as the devs seem to create patches in a timely manner when something doesn't work. To me, the forthcoming update is more of an enhancement of already working features and addition of others, rather than a "patch" to fix real problems that keep the program from working.

[hrtburnout]

Too bad i've just broken my bloody arm :mad: !

[Scawen]

Just a note about BETA / ALPHA.

LFS must be called ALPHA while there are blatantly unfinished things. Such as : AI drivers can't pit. F11 and F12 don't work in single player. These have still not been fixed, because there were more important and more interesting things to be done for this patch.

BETA has a clear definition : The software is 100% finished, and is in final testing before release. So... in Beta stage, only very minor changes and bug fixes can be made. Beta is a shorter stage of development, unless the developer seriously underestimated how complete the software was.

So... the next patch is still Alpha, just a better Alpha than you have at the moment, and with some new features and improvements, which I am sure you will like. :)

[srdsprinter]

YES!!! Let The ALPHA Goodness/Maddness Continue!!!

But no really, thanks again for the updates! Can't wait to see whats next! :D

[Blowtus]

I guess people are just more used to the corporate style of beta, release, patch, patch, go and make a new game, leaving the old one still buggy....

[TRM.13]

Grrrreaaaaaat, more and more updates!

S2 final will be almost a complete game!

[DeXteRrBDN]

F11 and F12 don't work in single player. These have still not been fixed, because there were more important and more interesting things to be done for this patch.

I supposed F11 and F12 would never work in single player, I thought it was planned as it is :D:razz:

[axus]

:lovies: None of that nK BS! :tilt:

[CrazyICE]

I supposed F11 and F12 would never work in single player, I thought it was planned as it is :D:razz:
lol, me too :)
nice to hear scawen...

[banshee56]

<-- programming lingo n00b

I think the two main things that everyone wants to see improved is the high-nose bug and the tire physics. According to the last small progress report, Scawen mentioned that the aero bug has been corrected and the tire physics have been improved a lot based on what was posted on www.liveforspeed.net (http://www.liveforspeed.net):

A recent push on tyre physics has resulted in much better tyres which have improved the car handling and driving experience a lot.


If those improvements still leave LFS S2 in ALPHA stage (programming not yet 100%), then we seem to be in store for even more great things!!!

Thanks for the clarification Scawen!

[Breizh]

Different tire characteristics per manufacturer would be really cool...

[tristancliffe]

What time was yesterday's LFS.net update? Gotta get ready in 'checking mode'.

[the_angry_angel]

According to the official site tristan:
added tue, Apr. 11th, 2006 21:40
>The April Update - meanwhile ...I would've thought that you wouldn't have to ask.... ;) Do keep up :D

[Killernap]

time yesterday was 21:40 :D

edit: the angry angle was faster ;)

[deggis]

LOL tristan, you just couldn't check the time yourself? :)

And 6 pages because of "some useless tyre texture update". I wonder how many pages we're going to get when they will release a video teaser about the new physics on 29th of April. :tilt:

ps. And finally hi-res default car skins?

[hammer it]

You know what? I actually enjoyed the tyrewalls pics more than the entire Nektar Pro demo! :D

Me too!! :thumb:

[Yaamboo]

Didn't anyone notice the fact that the driver is animated on the Formula pic (helmet tilted, wheel turning)? That's at least what I saw at first.

[JJ72]

GMT? so that's another 8 hour to go?

omg breaking this waiting game into 1 day sprints doesn't seem to help my patience!!

[JJ72]

Didn't anyone notice the fact that the driver is animated on the Formula pic (helmet tilted, wheel turning)? That's at least what I saw at first.

ain't it always animated?

[maczo]

I supposed F11 and F12 would never work in single player, I thought it was planned as it is :D:razz:

I hope the devs will reconsider. I can already see those green, slimy humanoids making F11 changes before every corner while hotlapping. Or perhaps even preparing macros to do it for them. It will make me really sad when I do "/w wr" in-game :pillepall

[MyBoss]

I'm shure they will leave that option out of the hot-laping. But in a single-player race, it would be nice.

[Bob Smith]

Yeah I checked the site at 6am and was disappointed to find nothing, and then still nothing now when I'm supposed to be working. I'm home at 8pm, perhaps I'll get lucky then.

[Hoellsen]

Didn't anyone notice the fact that the driver is animated on the Formula pic (helmet tilted, wheel turning)?

Always has been. Even in the MRT before S2 Alpha.

[SarcasmO]

this is some seriously good news:thumb:
The site is probably gonna get some serious bandwith usage with us checking every 5 minutes for the new daily update:razz:

[DodgeRacer]

The big suprise is that the easter bunny has been caught, shh, its top secret

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20060407/capt.sge.hao09.070406152144.photo00.photo.default-210x384.jpg

German rabbit breeder Karl Szmolinsky (must be vic's code name) presents his giant male breeding rabbit 'Robert' in Eberswalde, eastern Germany, February 2006. In a tale reminiscent of the last Wallace and Gromit movie, furious villagers in northeast England have hired armed guards to protect their beloved communal vegetable gardens from a suspected monster rabbit.(AFP/File/Michael Urban)

[neRu]

No wai! That is ONE giant rabbit!

[deggis]

Sorry but that rabbit doesn't exist anymore. I ate it yesterday.

[Matrixi]

That's one big wabbit :Looking_a

Whatcha cookin' doc? :D

[Vain]

The big suprise is that the easter bunny has been caught, shh, its top secret

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20060407/capt.sge.hao09.070406152144.photo00.photo.default-210x384.jpg

German rabbit breeder Karl Szmolinsky (must be vic's code name) presents his giant male breeding rabbit 'Robert' in Eberswalde, eastern Germany, February 2006. In a tale reminiscent of the last Wallace and Gromit movie, furious villagers in northeast England have hired armed guards to protect their beloved communal vegetable gardens from a suspected monster rabbit.(AFP/File/Michael Urban)Wow, the Rabbit of Caerbennog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_of_Caerbannog) has become old...

Vain

[MadCatX]

WOOOOHOOOOO...... I dont know who wanted some screenshots from a patch... so, here they are.. LOOKIN SWEET... I also remembet that Improvement suggestion asking for tyre sidewalls.... This is getting GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb::thumb::thumb::thu mb:

[MikeB]

/me starts hitting F5 every few seconds... Cant wait! :trampolin:trampolin

[Renku]

So... the next patch is still Alpha...
When this patch arrives, the hotlaps will be reseted! Is this the last time the hotlaps will be reseted during the LFS Stage 2 developement process.

[letdown427]

Just a thought. For all those F5 mashers, there's a firefox plugin called ReloadEvery. You could just set it to refresh the tab with LFS.net on every second. As I have.:smileypul

Then you just put that window on your second monitor, and carry on as normal. As I have.

[LRB_Aly]

Well i can imagine that if it turns out that after the patch some other physics updates have to be made, then the hotlaps will eventualy surely be resetted once again in the S2 Stage. But i rather welcome a reset of the hotlap times, brings some changes, some sort of new challenge. Like a race, when it's over it's over and you concentrate on the next one.

[Mazz4200]

Or a very small bloke !?!

BTW, not sure i understood the story, A German rabbit breeder, who lives in north east england, yeah ??........Well, I live in north east england and this is the first i've heard of it !

[edit] too slow, got distracted mid post, my reply was to Neru's big rabbit post.

[letdown427]

It's there, new update...aerophysics....

[Don]

day 2
http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=t_a_u

[traxxion]

day 2
http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=t_a_u

Aero stuff... old news :tilt: Anyway :thumbsup:

[Qurpiz]

Can't wait for the patch...

[Hyperactive]

Wooooohoooo!!!

Aero! Finally!

*poops in the pants & head explodes & bites tongue & omg!!eleven*

[axus]

*sigh*
It had to be something we know, didn't it.

[Matrixi]

Ahhh, this is great. :thumb:

[N1TR0S]

Is there a date set for the new patch?

[Renku]

Is there a date set for the new patch?
April!

[MataGyula]

ooops :x :shy:
SORRY !
sh*t happens :O

[deggis]

\:d/

[Vain]

It's coming closer and closer...
But I don't expect a release on easter anymore. Because the easter bunny hates us (http://www.sinn-frei.com/the-easter-bunny-hates-you_2839.htm)!

Vain

[faster111]

i bet there not going be any updates for demo racers its like runescape if you want more stuff you be meber and you got to pay sigh and on it free palyers dont get updates hope lfs not going be like that. oh well i mite get s2 for this demo event oh well i just have to wait.

[Vain]

The demo will also be updated. Like everytime when there's a patch then the demo is also updated.

Vain

[Madman_CZ]

ohh nice.. cant wait damn this teasing is hard!!!..

btw wonder if thats scawen and eric racing in the pic , and who's first and whos 2nd hmmm :scratchch

[deggis]

The demo will also be updated. Like everytime when there's a patch then the demo is also updated.

Vain
Yeah, what's the point showing off a demo if it doesn't represent the current version.

On the other hand the demo doesn't exactly represnt S2 (because of lame car choices). :D

[letdown427]

Yeah, what's the point showing off a demo if it doesn't represent the current version.

On the other hand the demo doesn't exactly represnt S2 (because of lame car choices). :D

Plus the devs don't want people downloading the demo, and getting turned off LFS because of bugs that have been fixed in the full version. I'm really looking forward to the low speed handling fixes, I think that will help encourage a lot of first timers to stick to it, as it can get a bit frustrating when the XRT seems to spin on BLGP turn 1, every, single, time.lol.

[Michel 4AGE]

New update is online

[axus]

New update is online

Well spotted :thumb:!

:razz: just... a bit old now.

[afastest]

New update is online

Third one?

[Michel 4AGE]

Ah lol I think I missed a page here hehe, you guys are so fast :D

[colcob]

Shame there is no mention of the undertrays. They were the third big problem with the aero physics in S2.
Aero downforce and drag from the undertray is currently constant (but speed dependent) regardless of the angle of the undertray or the gap beneath it.
I'd rather expected that to be fixed, but maybe they're saving it for another update :).

Hell, even GP2 had undertrays that gave different downforce depending on the ride height.

[Hyperactive]

LFS is getting a lot of updates nowadays :p

[bobvanvliet]

These new screenies also bring comfirmation that the sunstrip on the helmet is skinnable :D

Hell, the whole helmet is new! The hinge for the visor bends up, and doesn't do that on the current one. and is it me or is the helmet model smoother?

:thumb:

Edit: And did anyone else notice the clipping error on what seems to be a suspension strut visible through the hole between the front wing and the body on the second pic?!

Edit2, see attached for explanations.

[tristancliffe]

This update better than just 'known info'. At least the slipstream has been reduced, and works on the front and rear of the car independantly. :D

Agree with Colcob that undertray revisions would be lovely (if Scawen is up to it - it's worth another day on the release date if it's possible).

Edit: Not sure about the helmet model - the pics are a bit small to make an opinion. Earlier I took an FO8 to the spot on Aston used for the screenshot yesterday and it looked about the same. I'd love a new helmet model (and this is a good time to do it) but those screenshots are inconclusive imo. Perhaps someone with a better eye can deduce?

[n2oaddict]

[useless reply]Yeeeeeaaaaa Boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii[/useless reply]

[JeeP]

why those names on the tires... and you can chose from 4 different names = completely useless !!!

i bet they dont change the tire wearing/heating so r3/4 are still useless.....

[Blackout]

why those names on the tires... and you can chose from 4 different names = completely useless !!!

i bet they dont change the tire wearing/heating so r3/4 are still useless.....

Yes, "for now". And r3s are usefull in longer races...atleast for me :D

edit. Does someone know in what corner are those FOXs in the first picture?
edit. oh yeah, found it :P

[deggis]

i bet they dont change the tire wearing/heating so r3/4 are still useless.....
I'd guess new grip/tyre physics affects that too.

The tyre brands are clearly a step foward tyre manufacturer choices we might get some day.

The helmet 3D model looks much more smoothened, the top is not like /\ anymore. :)

[Madman_CZ]

why those names on the tires... and you can chose from 4 different names = completely useless !!!

i bet they dont change the tire wearing/heating so r3/4 are still useless.....

use r3s on the fronts all the time in long races, its usually r3s front r2s back

never used r4s

[XRRoy]

Edit: And did anyone else notice the clipping error on what seems to be a suspension strut visible through the hole between the front wing and the body on the second pic?!

that is an error what allready was with the first S2 Alpha. Just open the FOX CMX in the viewer and you see the same. The wishbones aren't connected to the car body.

[mrodgers]

R4's are on the FWD GTR cars, aren't they?

About the tire brand sidewall texture and the talk earlier about future modding of dds for real brands. A suggestion to the community here. Who ever ends up creating textures for certain real brands, it would be good for the community to decide which dds would be which brands. That way, everyone would somewhat see the actual brand other's are using online. Example, if you make Pirelli tire, then the community would agree that the cromo texture would be the Pirelli texture and Bridgestone would be Evostar (or whatever). That way, online, I would use the cromo texture as Pirelli and everyone else would see me as Pirelli as well. Of course, this wouldn't work perfectly if more than 4 tire brands were modded, but an agreement in the community would help.

Can't wait to spin out my FZR and actually be able to get straight again and continue on instead of continuously spinning trying to get straight.

Please don't release the patch on a Friday! I'd have to wait until Monday to get it then. Or, at least make it a true patch that we could download a 5mb file and patch our Q installation (I'm sure this is how it would be anyways).

[zeugnimod]

R4's are on the FWD GTR cars, aren't they?

Not only. Every GTR car has R4's.

[joshdifabio]

The helmet 3D model looks much more smoothened, the top is not like /\ anymore. :)

This is an enlargement of the helmet in the Formula V8 screenie.

The model doesn't look any different to me, i think the helmets only look smoother in the newer shots because of the lighting.

[Blackout]

This is an enlargement of the helmet in the Formula V8 screenie.

The model doesn't look any different to me, i think the helmets only look smoother in the newer shots because of the lighting.

I was looking the same, the top does looks same as the old model.

[bobvanvliet]

OK. Maybe not in the polys, but certainly in the visor hinge.

[KiDCoDEa]

Shame there is no mention of the undertrays. They were the third big problem with the aero physics in S2.
Aero downforce and drag from the undertray is currently constant (but speed dependent) regardless of the angle of the undertray or the gap beneath it.
I'd rather expected that to be fixed, but maybe they're saving it for another update :).

Hell, even GP2 had undertrays that gave different downforce depending on the ride height.

funny u think nkpro is fab and yet it doesnt even have anything remotely similar to undertray/rideheight effect.
in fact, u can still drive car upside down in nkpro and i didnt saw any complain.

[Matrixi]

The visor hinge is part of the skin actually, there isn't a hinge in the helmet model. :)

[Blackout]

If its really a new helmet model I think we are going to read and see about it in a few days ;)

[TJones1]

Agree with Colcob that undertray revisions would be lovely (if Scawen is up to it - it's worth another day on the release date if it's possible). Agree too, but I think realisation is very complex (under Braking back-end lift and aero-balance moves forward - and so on).
But I would like to be surprised, in a postive manner.

Maybe, anyone out there now´s more about it ?

Scawen ?? :D

excuse my poor english.

[Scawen]

Yes it's much too complicated. It's not a day's work to make the undertray behave correctly. More like weeks to research and code it. I don't even know how long it will be, as I haven't done the research.

For now the undertray is fixed so it doesn't point the aero forwards. But it doesn't change depending on ride height and angle. You are free to set the ride height to give you the best suspension performance.

[AndroidXP]

Just came in to say:


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE that old tingly feeling is back again :hyper:
It's nice to see you devs more "community active" instead of "locked in closet working on LFS like mad chimps active" :thumb:

[MAGGOT]

OK. Maybe not in the polys, but certainly in the visor hinge.

As said already, that is part of the skin ;)

[DeadWolfBones]

Here's a question:

In some of the cars (mainly the single-seaters) I've never really had a problem with losing rear-end grip when in the slipstream. It's almost always a push condition--in the final corner of SO Classic, for instance, where it inevitably puts me way wide and into the wall on corner exit.

In the GTR cars I've occasionally gotten loose when in the slipstream (say, in the FXR coming around the last of the S-curves at Kyoto Long), but it's usually at a point where the car's loose already.

Are these aero changes going to make the cars even pushier where they already push, or is it just going to lessen the looseness?

[Scawen]

Are these aero changes going to make the cars even pushier where they already push, or is it just going to lessen the looseness?The latter :)

[DeadWolfBones]

Fantastic!

:thumb:

edit: and thanks for the quick response.

[bo-kristiansen]

R4's are on the FWD GTR cars, aren't they?

About the tire brand sidewall texture and the talk earlier about future modding of dds for real brands. A suggestion to the community here. Who ever ends up creating textures for certain real brands, it would be good for the community to decide which dds would be which brands. That way, everyone would somewhat see the actual brand other's are using online. Example, if you make Pirelli tire, then the community would agree that the cromo texture would be the Pirelli texture and Bridgestone would be Evostar (or whatever). That way, online, I would use the cromo texture as Pirelli and everyone else would see me as Pirelli as well. Of course, this wouldn't work perfectly if more than 4 tire brands were modded, but an agreement in the community would help.

.


agree with that. ...so all f.ex. Dunlop DDS are on the same LFS brand DDS :thumb:

there will be 4 different DDS files, so wich 4 IRL brands?
I vote for:
Dunlop
Michelin
Bridgestone
Advan/Yokohama


...that is IF the sidewalls ARE DDS files.... :scratchch

[Vain]

Scawen seems to have an eye on this thread. No more coding to do? Then release it! :D

j/k

Vain

[Dethred]

Scawen seems to have an eye on this thread. No more coding to do? Then release it! :D

j/k

Vain

Maybe they're testing it so the release isn't like Netkar Pro's. But to give credit to Netkar, Kunos addressed the concerns the same day and promised a patch within a week or two.:thumb:

[tristancliffe]

Thats for the feedback Scawen - much appreciated as always... Can't wait til the day we get something like that implemented, but knowing that you know it's hard and not a quick fix is better than just wishing for it.

[Flotch]

yep, this is cool :thumb: ...

still nothing about the lsd? :smileypul

[colcob]

funny u think nkpro is fab and yet it doesnt even have anything remotely similar to undertray/rideheight effect.
in fact, u can still drive car upside down in nkpro and i didnt saw any complain.

God, I swear you're on crack these days. If you'd like to point me to the posts where I say that NKPro is fab, i'd be happy to eat my own testicles.