LFSTweak for S2 ?

[Gudster]

Howdy folks, long time since I posted here. :)

Anyway my question is, I had a blast playing the LFS demo and I had a lot of fun messing with the cars power/weight with the LFS edit tool.

I've been told though that it only supports the Demo and S1 (and then only 3 cars). I was wondering if there is an updated version that supports S2 or if there are plans in the future for a proper editor, to let us mess with the cars and save settings which can saved to files and be shared by users? Maybe even extended to being able to run servers that allow custom setups (EG V12, 6 Litre GTi or whatever) or even servers that support any mods the user can do to their car. I personally would love to see that, it would be a right laugh.

What do you guys think?

Cheers.

[Bob Smith]

:ices_rofl Didn't take long.

[Gudster]

ROFL. Didn't take long.

Whats that then?

[tristancliffe]

I'm pretty sure there WILL be LFS-Tweak for S2, but only when S2 is finalised, and it will probably only support the 3 demo cars again.

I fear you'll have quite a wait.

[L(Oo)ney]

I'm pretty sure there WILL be LFS-Tweak for S2, but only when S2 is finalised, and it will probably only support the 3 demo cars again.

I fear you'll have quite a wait.

It also allows you to change the other cars, just not as much as the demo ones, because the S1/S2 cars are encrypted.

Fonnybone is the guy you want to talk to about LFS Tweak, as he made it.

I'll agree with tristan about the long wait, but it willl be worth it! ;)

[nism0]

I don't think anyone should want to change the S2 cars, they are great as they are! :P Well, the FZ5 could do with a few more hundred HP, haha!

[the_angry_angel]

For LFS Tweak for S2, please see this post at RSC: http://forum.rscnet.org/showpost.php?p=2503041&postcount=416

[snewham]

It's being developed. But it will only be out when the full version of S2 is out I think you'll find
:D :thumb:

[Gudster]

I don't think anyone should want to change the S2 cars, they are great as they are! :P Well, the FZ5 could do with a few more hundred HP, haha!

Its more a case of messing around with the cars. Its fun to take an 8 Litre V10 out on the track. :nod:

Anyway looks like it will be quite a wait for the S2 editor, unless there is a beta release.

[tristancliffe]

unless there is a beta release. There will be I'm sure, but again, only when S2 goes Full.

[Fonnybone]

ehem

[Bob Smith]

Don't want to give much away do you Fonnybone!

[steve]

A little birdy told me LFST might be out in the public soon ;)

[aoe_viruz]

A little birdy told me LFST might be out in the public soon ;)

DON'T TEASE STEVE!!!! Thats not very nice. :thumb:

[EclipseGsX]

lfs tweak is out or atlest a hack somone called lfs tweak in a older lfs s2 team 5.0 has it

[BlueFlame]

Yo adam is that you - its BlueFlame from your old S1 team....

[illegal]

lfs tweak is out or atlest a hack somone called lfs tweak in a older lfs s2 team 5.0 has it

And what exactly does this hack do, and is it available for dowload somewhere? Does it work on public servers? Did you miss English lessons?
Anyway, hope these 'hacks' don't get too widespread and stay off public servers.

[detail]

Just imagine, some guys driving :moped: on normal public :lfs: servers... :drugs:

[hrtburnout]

lfs tweak is out or atlest a hack somone called lfs tweak in a older lfs s2 team 5.0 has it

for s2???

[ajp71]

And what exactly does this hack do, and is it available for dowload somewhere? Does it work on public servers? Did you miss English lessons?
Anyway, hope these 'hacks' don't get too widespread and stay off public servers.

I've never used LFS tweak as it only works with S1 (and not S1 cars in S2P), but I understand that it is a program that runs in the background to tweak virtually all the car parameters to a virtually unlimited degree offline only.

[ButterTyres]

LFS Tweak for S1 works online. However the server needs to run it, and all the players need to run it with the same Tweak settings. We have had days where we have played online with Tweak, its good fun.

If you try to connect to a normal server with Tweak running, its says you cant. Cars dont match or something like that.

Its all harmless fun and doesnt allow cheating.

[TaiFong]

A little birdy told me LFST might be out in the public soon ;)

I hope that birdy was right. I'm itchin' for some tweakin'.

[Dethred]

I don't see any harm in releasing it for the Current version of LFS S2. Scawen has made it clear his final release won't be anytime soon. I know fonnybone was probably worn out from updating the program for the many S1 patches, but I don't think its going to be like that this time.

[the_angry_angel]

Dethred, if you want to find all the memory points, and plot them, get it all working, only to find out by the time you have a decent, working, bug free, publically available version, which is almost immediately made null because Scawen's released a new public patch, then go ahead.

The long and short of it is, we never know when we're getting another patch, or build. Plus, I'm sure FonnyBone has plenty of stuff to do in real life, aside from LFS Tweak.

[tristancliffe]

A little bird told me we won't be seeing this mod until S2 goes full. And who knows when that'll be...

P.S. My little bird was background checked for authenticity, and then eaten once said information was divulged.

[RedRiver]

Hello mates.

Fonnybone, Have you worked anything on LFS Tweak? If you have it would be nice with a little progress report. Telling us about some new features maybe.

BTW: Cant anyone change topic name? LFS EDIT doesnt sound soo good.

Cheers!

[Fonnybone]

Ok ok, listen guys, i've put all LFS things on pause for a little bit.

1- I've spend WAY too much time on it already, i need a break.
2- I've started BIG on the S2 version so more time is needed.
3- I've agreed to let LFS be a bit to help sort out IT'S problems.

As for the update, honestly, nothing has changed since the last one.
I still have a 'functional' pre-pre-pre-beta version which showcases
most of the 'new' features. It's so different in concept that i can't
really compare it to LFSTweak except that i've made it LOOK like
LFSTweak, but that's where the similarities end, at least as far
as programming is concerned. This is also where the difficulties start
for me. You could say i've bitten off more than i can chew, but given
time, i intend to finish the damn thing. Just not now. Let's talk about
'this winter' ;) Somewhere around Christmas maybe. I might find the
time to release a little something in the meanwhile.

Also, i wanted to get away from VB because i've spend a LOT of time
learning it in the last year and i am at the point where i touched a bit
of everything but need to perfect details and synchronise all these
things together. Some feature i'm working on are a mag modeler like
BeSpoke. I've managed to get a mini modeler working with OpenGL
(a major step for me...Dx is next). I has the standard 2D views but
also a real-time 3D view in which you can see the changes (2D views
also update but only contain lines and points). Programming a 3D modeler
is a LOT of work on it's own, so even a small mini-modeler plug-in is
quite time-consuming when you've never done it.

Then there's the issue of what to mod. I've spend a lot of time on this and
is one major reason to hold-off LFSTweak developement. Some new values
have become available and some older ones have become redundant or simply
useless. I've had a difficult decision to make. I've mentionned this to many
people before. LFSTweak can only modify the demo cars, the fact that i
managed to edit the S1-S2 cars slightly is a work-around and not the same
thing. Anyways, my problem is that i'm GIVING away this app so people can
have ADDED value to the FREE DEMO !! Anyone else see the problem here ?

Needless to say i'm not too confortable with being the provider of free goods
to people already not inclined to support LFS by buying it. I'd be more
interested in modding only S1-S2 cars and NOT the demo cars therefore
providing added value to those who BOUGHT LFS. It's just one more reason
to buy and means one more thing you get for the same money. I can already
hear the 'this SUCKS' moaning from disorganised male bedrooms all over,
but that's life. Let's make a VERY approximate estimate of the investement
i've made. Let's say 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 3 years, i'll take 4
weeks off every year simply because i deserve it. That's:

4hours x 5days = 20hours a week.
20hours x 48weeks = 960hours a year.
3years x 960hours = 2880hours spend on modding LFS in 3 years.

Now for fun, let's pay myself for such services. Again, being conservative,
at 5$ an hour (most PCtechs here ask 50-60$ an hour) i get 14 400$.
You all owe me 14 400$ :) As agreed in my EULA, i'll be taking a dollar a day
from all of your accounts :) Hehe, i joke but it's still true, i could have made
at LEAST 14 400$ spending that time doing something that paid me 5$/hour,
which is well below the poverty line where i live.

Sooo, i intend to restart VB this fall and i'll keep you guys updated when i do.
Until then, we'll just have to accept LFS as is.

[Bob Smith]

Hmm, I can understand your moral issues about the demo. Is there not a check you could do to see if the user has an S1/S2 license and then just not let the program load/do anything?

Also are you not willing to comment on any of these "new features"? Or do you just like taunting us? :mischievo

I know what slaving away with VB is like, I wasn't aware that it took so much time to create your app though. Looking forward to the finished product. :)

[RedRiver]

I do agree that only licensed racers should be able too use the program. I wonder what the devs think about making the other cars tweakable. I know some people dont like the program for varius reasons.
I think this mod is great for several reasons:

Its not possible to cheat with it online.

This game offers high quality physics thats wonderful to play around with, when you are a bit tired of online racing.

This mod is very stable, no bugs. ;

Fonnybone: Do you know what the Devs think about your mod? Do they support you in any way if you want it?

Final. LFS Tweak is a completely harmless and a very enjoyable mod. I love your work. Would help you if i could. Good Luck with it!

[JessesAE86]

LFS s2 or any LFS for that matter will never be as good as the same thing with Tweak...

Just through something together that gives us engine posibilties, thats ALL.

so if someone wants a 900 hp UF they can have it... just give them engine modability and weight change ability and the game will be 10000 X more fun no matter what anyone says the game is just better when you can do more., now LFS guys have made a awesome game, easily i outplay any other game I have ever owned and devoted more time to LFS than my wife sometimes, but some change in engine HP/TQ and weight would make this game even more fun. and thats what its about, fun

[Fonnybone]

Hmm, I can understand your moral issues about the demo. Is there not a check you could do to see if the user has an S1/S2 license and then just not let the program load/do anything?


Yes, this is precisely where i'm heading. I was thinking of using a list of
LFS members, like from LFSWorld, and using a website for LFSTweak where
you could register the app using your LFS name (no password, i'm not gonna
compromise any security here, i couldn't even if i wanted to anyways).
I'd limit the app to one per name, and i'd provide a way to 'deregister'
the app in case of problem or anything.

Unfortunately, this would also make my app MUCH more subject to hacking,
ironically, which is something i'm not sure i want to deal with just yet...


Also are you not willing to comment on any of these "new features"? Or do you just like taunting us? :mischievo


Yes. l0l. Not yet as i haven't decided what will stay and what won't and
i don't want to promise things i can't deliver. Once i get back to programming
i'll try to provide a comprehensive developement update more regularly.


I do agree that only licensed racers should be able too use
the program. I wonder what the devs think about making the other cars tweakable.

Well, it's been said a while ago that the demo content could be used by
people as it is primarily there to promote LFS. If they GIVE you the demo,
then there's not much harm in using the GTi in another game, for example,
as people will eventually know it's from LFS and therefore do it's job as
more people get to know LFS from the demo content. Any S1-S2 content,
on the other hand, is off-limits. Just like you can't give a copy of your game
to a friend, you can't use the GTR cars in another game (for example).


Fonnybone: Do you know what the Devs think about your mod? Do they support you in any way if you want it?

Yes and no. I've never hidden anything from them and we exchange info
from time to time. Basically, LFSTweak is tolerated because of it's popularity
(had 1000s of downloads of the last versions on RSC alone, it's the most
popular ANYTHING i've ever done, hehe). I'm sure Scawen would have
preferred LFS remain virgin for the longest time, but the fact is she's a who..
oups, eh, hehe, she's soooooo attractive that every boy wants to play with
her ;) Victor seems pretty open to anything if you ask me ;) He's always 'chill'.

LFS s2 or any LFS for that matter will never be as good as the same thing with Tweak...


Ya, there you have it, this is a problem. It was becomming a drug so i felt it
was time to make everyoone go cold-turkey. As S2 came about, a new era
of beta testing has started, 'forcing' people to play LFS as it is was intentional
and primarily meant to help the devs fix S2. After the mess on RSC with 100s
of forums on everything, it was impossible to tell what was an S2 bug, a demo
issue or simply a very dumb and annoying troll. Removing LFSTweak from the
equation helps clean up the problems a bit. Having tire wear issues from
driving at 300kmh in a GTi is NOT an LFS bug...for example.

It also gives me a break, ahhhh, i'm almost done guys, just
one......more.....beer.....ahhhhhh :D


(...)LFS guys have made an awesome game, easily i outplay any other game I have ever owned and devoted more time to LFS than my wife sometimes

I don't have an app for that yet, but i'm working on it ;)


Ok, i'm done with this novel :P

[RedRiver]

Very nice Fonnybone! Thank you for your reply!

Well.. LFS doesnt expires or just drop dead, so i think i can wait a couple of months for Tweak. It cant be worse than the wait for S2 anyway!

[ButterTyres]

Thanks FB for the updates.

Makes much more sense now why you would want to wait until S2:Final was released, with relation to bugs and everything. Very sensible.

Maybe even holding off completely until the game is finished (gasp), we dont want anyone posting Tweak related "issues" as game bugs, thus possibly hindering development of the game.

Keep up the good work! :P

[L(Oo)ney]

Thanks for the updates fonny.. :)

Going cold turkey sucks though, you really do like torturing us dont you.. :hyper:

[bw_krupp]

At least this time going cold turkey isnt too bad. We have some near 500 hp cars for once..and racing slicks. Not too bad.

[wheel4hummer]

Turkey is good, warm or cold.

[McAzerty]

I do agree that only licensed racers should be able too use the program

TOTAL NOT AGREED!

[tristancliffe]

I think it should be licenced users only too. Why should demo users (those who not paid ANYTHING) benefit from having this mod (and therefore the stats of any car they want).

It's only £12 to get LFS (S1), so eat a few less Mars Bars a day and buy it.

[herki]

TOTAL NOT AGREED!

naah... it's ok, that only licensed racers should be able to use it - we may be able to tune all cars - what i think would be great.
if you enjoy LFS, simply buy it! it's not that expensive!

[L(Oo)ney]

TOTAL NOT AGREED!

Tough. Pay for LFS, and you'll recieve the benifit of having LFS tweak to play with.

Im with fonny, And i back him in his licensed only LFS tweak. Why should the demo players get even more for free then they are getting ATM, when they havent supported the devs at all.

[TheSparkster]

naah... it's ok, that only licensed racers should be able to use it - we may be able to tune all cars - what i think would be great.
if you enjoy LFS, simply buy it! it's not that expensive!
Well I do own LFS but I wouldn't say "It's no that expensive". $41.00 Is what I paid I think. That's more then most PC games.

[mattlikespeoples]

Well I do own LFS but I wouldn't say "It's no that expensive". $41.00 Is what I paid I think. That's more then most PC games.

how did you pay $41 for it? did you buy S1 and S2 at the same time?:really: I paid right around $20 for mine and it's been more than worth it

[Phill]

^^hehe, yeah thats pretty confusing.. i paid like $20 for mine aswell.. :really:

[McAzerty]

I may not pay from my parents. (°_°)

(howmany is it in €??)

[RedRiver]

I may not pay from my parents. (°_°)

(howmany is it in €??)

About : 34,35 EUR

[mrodgers]

You all paid $40 US for S2. Some of you just paid for S1 years ago. New guys to LFS are now paying $40 for S2 because they need to pay for S1. S1 and S2 are not separate games.

[bbman]

I may not pay from my parents. (°_°)

(howmany is it in €??)
Exactly € 36,-... Which is almost the price of a budget-title around here... :(

[sil3ntwar]

Just create a limited feature version of the tweak for demo users. No need to be an asshole about it. Not everyone has the ability to pay for the game.

[that1boredguy90]

Im sorry, but LFSTweak should be for licensed users only. Just my .02 have a nice day.

[bw_krupp]

LFSTweak should be Demo and S2. The features that were originally a part of MiniMechanik should be S2 only. Just my opinion. But then I'm an opinionated person.

[Fonnybone]

Yes, i've been through this too. For now, i've decided that maintaining 2
versions is too much work because i fear that if i limit one, i'll make it very
vulnerable to hacking, on top of making bug tracking a pain in the butt.
I won't release something that makes you want to hack it. Most probable
is i'd release a smaller version with less stuff a bit before S2 (when the
pre-S2 beta-alpha-gamma-mamma patches starts appearing) to sort out
the bugs, but i'm still undecided if the S2 version will be open or not to
demo users.

I'm not getting a penny from this. I've had many words of encouragement,
but you can surely understand how that is a different thing... I need money
to live and that means time i spend doing those things to get that money
is not available for other things. I'd love to be like SEV and live from it,
but i'm far from there. I'm not about to start making an app to 'sell' it,
i probably couldn't because of the type of app that it is, oh and Scawen
probably wouldn't talk to me anymore, lol, but i'd send him a nice carbon fiber
muffler for his bike and we'd drink a beer around a fire and sort things out,
i'll bring along Victor, he's always good to have around :)

Anyways, i'm still into HL2 mapping for now so no update per say. Like
i said, 'this fall' i'll work on it more regularly and expect to be able to
release something this year.

[McAzerty]

Now i'm pissed off...>:-[

[Gavin UK]

tight fisted so an so :P pay for it :D

[[RCG]Boosted]

hey 36 Euro is cheap :p most pc games here costs about 50 Euro :)
lfs tweak for licensed racers only? :thumb:
would be right.

[hrtburnout]

I'm glad to hear that there is progress.

[ATHome]

Now i'm pissed off...>:-[

Someone who has unlocked S2 without buying (and telling it in the offical forums to everyone) should be pretty quiet.

I agree with the idea of only giving LFSTweak to registered S1 & S2 Users

[MAD3.0LT]

well the way i see it if the devs gave u rights to allow moding the S2 cars the person that wants to modd them must have S2 unlocked on their system
but i agree with funnybone man live ur life do what u want LFS tweek is a awesome app i have allways loved playing with it allways will and ill wait as long as i have to for a newer virson but i dont know anything about programing so their maybe reasons that wont work no idea




online racing is allways fun when its fair

[senn]

awesome looking forward to it Fonnybone. I'd be lying if i said i wasn't a little disappointed when you said you weren't going to make an S2 version :) And MOST of the people out there appreciate the time you put into making LFS Tweak. I can remember the time before it existed ;) modding was so much easier after it appeared on the scene :)

Time to put some fat tyres on the RAC methinks :D
And bring the rb4 up to the same power level as an FQ330 Evo Lancer :P~

[Fonnybone]

Hey Senn!! My god, we were part of the Turboholics together :)
That's back in 2002 ;) This is what started all this...

[Ill_eagle94]

awesome looking forward to it Fonnybone. I'd be lying if i said i wasn't a little disappointed when you said you weren't going to make an S2 version :) And MOST of the people out there appreciate the time you put into making LFS Tweak. I can remember the time before it existed ;) modding was so much easier after it appeared on the scene :)

Time to put some fat tyres on the RAC methinks :D
And bring the rb4 up to the same power level as an FQ330 Evo Lancer :P~

I'll take an Fq400 thanks. :eclipseeh

[ATHome]

But the FQ330 has a much better engine response ;)

[wheel4hummer]

Shouldn't demo users be able to use LFStweak on the cars? Why not?

[ATHome]

Shouldn't demo users be able to use LFStweak on the cars? Why not?

Already stated in various other posts.

And I think it's a good idea only giving it to S1 or S2 licensed people, because when you really want to tweak then, you've got to buy it. You're doing 2 great things with buying LFS:

You feed the devs and you make the community of licensed racers bigger :D

[Vendetta]

Tough. Pay for LFS, and you'll recieve the benifit of having LFS tweak to play with.

Im with fonny, And i back him in his licensed only LFS tweak. Why should the demo players get even more for free then they are getting ATM, when they havent supported the devs at all.


I fully agree with you.


Demo users, its only 40 dollars for S2! PS2 or Xbox games cost around 50-60 dollars.

[[RCG]Boosted]

Demo users, its only 40 dollars for S2! PS2 or Xbox games cost around 50-60 dollars.

and lfs is better than PS2 or XBox racing games :p

[wheel4hummer]

Not for me!

[[RCG]Boosted]

so...why u r playing this game? :D

[gen2integra93]

if someone will make it for me, I will pay them via paypal!!! or just anything to mod the boost,rpm, etc... somthing!

[Phill]

^^^riight, but noone will make it for YOU only.. read the posts.. it will come.. just wait, have paitience..

[speedline]

As an S2 license holder and dedicated LFSTweak fan, I support the idea to release LFS Tweak S2 to LFS-S2 license holders only.

If funnybone decides he wants financial support for making this mod; give me a paybal or bank account and I 'll support financially... People wo make good products/ programs should deserve our support. One way or the other...
Just my 2 cents...

[CrazyICE]

well, but even if you put in some donate-stuff, no one donates at all..
ok, well i got 4 donations....
and look how many apps i did for LFS!
==> http://lfstools.crazyice.net (http://lfstools.crazyice.net/)

but thats ok, cause, if i want money, i just have to sold those tools...
but then, everyone is whining: "huuuu, why does it cost somethin, huhhhh!"

so, i think, those who are not willing to pay or mentally support things, but always ask and shout for FREE lfs tools, have not the right to be impatient or so...

(soory about my bad english...hope u understand)

[xaotik]

and look how many apps i did for LFS!

Which reminds me - thanks for InSimRaceAnalyzer, amazing tool! :)

[McAzerty]

no Lfs Tweaker For Demo Users ? I Play No More Lfs, Point Done, Bye Going 2 ThemePark gemez now, like RollerCoaster Tycoon 3. BUT NO MORE LIVE FOR STUPIDS, BYE!!


Edit by Fonnybone: Ok ok, calm down there. Did you ever get favors by acting
this way ?! I'm leaving your text as is, but the huge&bold was over the edge.

[Forbin]

McAzerty, if you're not paying for the game, why should you be entitled to an extra feature like LFSTweak? Furthermore, if you're not a paying customer, I'm sure the devs could care less if you stay in demo or leave. I sure as hell don't.

[tristancliffe]

Hurrah! Got rid of one of them (them being people who don't appreciate LFS for what it is, and only want more power because they can't drive round corners :P).

Your loss will not be missed, not even by Scawen, cos you couldn't be bothered to pay for it.

[L(Oo)ney]

BYE!!

Bye.

"Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out..." :thumb:

[tristancliffe]

Indeed! It might damage the door!

[Shotglass]

btw i sure hope fonny finds a way to disable tyre wear otherwise all well ever hear from our nicely tweaked 600.000 hp monsters is popping tyres

[Vendetta]

Haha watch he will come running back...(i hope not)

[wheel4hummer]

I will buy a S2 liscense when it isnt alpha anymore.

[herki]

very good decision... but you could buy s2 right now... i can rarely play online becaue of my 56k, but .. s2 was worth paying 18€ (36€) :) it's fun :) :)

[SoloNijN]

btw i sure hope fonny finds a way to disable tyre wear otherwise all well ever hear from our nicely tweaked 600.000 hp monsters is popping tyres

Yea, true

First thing i'm going to make is a rear-wheel-driven XFR :D
with ultrahard suspension so i can bump through corners :P

[McAzerty]

blahblah (edited by victor - pointless post with pointless words)

[Don Merino]

*lol*
I like people who know how to control their emotions.

But please remove the link to Orange County Choppers in your sig. You're an embarassment to every chopper rider.

[bbman]

I may not understand everything he says, but this would really justify a ban... :pillepall Just for an Add-On.. :really:

Azerty, it's how I said: Buy a license an show support and support will shown to you also... Always taking and not giving will get you nowhere.

Acting like this will not make any of us miss you... Bye Azerty...

[GerG]

Hi there,

Simply, i do not understand the way you guys behave here. All of us, once were demo racers. I myself finally could afford to buy S2 (which might sound ridiculous, but imagine that i work for like 2$/hour, and i am a university student), but there are some who can't. Why do not let them Tweak their Demo cars? S2 licensed already have the advantage to drive more tweaked models on more tracks. Let the Demo guys have some fun! Remember, they are a part of the community too!

[CasseBent]

I'm pretty sure...no wait, I'm 100% sure I hate that guy.

[RedRiver]

Hi there,

Simply, i do not understand the way you guys behave here. All of us, once were demo racers. I myself finally could afford to buy S2 (which might sound ridiculous, but imagine that i work for like 2$/hour, and i am a university student), but there are some who can't. Why do not let them Tweak their Demo cars? S2 licensed already have the advantage to drive more tweaked models on more tracks. Let the Demo guys have some fun! Remember, they are a part of the community too!

True.
First. McAzerty, is an asshole. You just cant come screaming and complaining like that. Thats not very polite. And i dont think he gives a shit about paying for any game.

Second. LFS isnt freeware. Its a game like any other. The Devs cant give the game away for free to those who have no money. I cant afford to buy me a new graphics card. Who cares about that? And the demo is the best ive seen. 3 fully featured cars. 1 track, and unlimited online/offline playtime. You cant complain about that.

Third. If i were Fonnybone. I wouldnt want non-payers to have the ability to use this excellent mod. I think the mod should make more people want to pay for S1/S2 and not the opposite. Those who have contributed by paying for LFS should have the right using this mod. But thats if i were Fonnybone. Now i aint. So i just want to have the tweaker myself.

I understand that its very timeconsuming making a mod like this so i hope Fonny doesnt feel the pressure that he HAVE to make this mode. If against the odds he should decide not to make it some tears would fall from my eyes. :Looking_a

[SoloNijN]

blahblahblah


too bad i actually understand what he is yelling ;(

[P5YcHoM4N]

Hi there,

Simply, i do not understand the way you guys behave here. All of us, once were demo racers. I myself finally could afford to buy S2 (which might sound ridiculous, but imagine that i work for like 2$/hour, and i am a university student), but there are some who can't. Why do not let them Tweak their Demo cars? S2 licensed already have the advantage to drive more tweaked models on more tracks. Let the Demo guys have some fun! Remember, they are a part of the community too!

I'm a uni student in the UK, and I make £0.00 an hour. I just decied that I'd rather have this game then eat for a week. Way worth the money. I've spent more time playing LFS then I have any other game (bar HL+Mods). It's not like the game is a lot, £24? A major title for a "Pro Sim" like Toca Race Driver 2 is/was £30+.

Just a shame I left my wheel at home. :( Using the mouse sucks.

[bbman]

Hi there,

Simply, i do not understand the way you guys behave here. All of us, once were demo racers. I myself finally could afford to buy S2 (which might sound ridiculous, but imagine that i work for like 2$/hour, and i am a university student), but there are some who can't. Why do not let them Tweak their Demo cars? S2 licensed already have the advantage to drive more tweaked models on more tracks. Let the Demo guys have some fun! Remember, they are a part of the community too!
Ok, let me tell you a little story... First, he came here, spamming and never really saying something useful. Then, we found out, that he was obviously using a crack to play full LfS without paying, and this crack was obviously functional for MP also or he wouldn't have tried to join SCCC. After that failed, he opened his own team, as you can find it in his sig and was demanding a team skin in the skin forums. Somebody made him one. Then, he found out about LfSTweak and again demanded that there should be a version for demo users also, as he is one... After everybody else and funnybone explained, that this wouldnt be the case, this last posts were his reaction...

Now, should we be nice to someone like him? To be honest, all my sympathy for him was gone when we found out about the crack...
Demo user - okay, no problem with that, I was one myself, I know that...
Crack user - f*ck off, ignorant fool...
Now that you know the whole story, one question: Should we be nice to him or are our comments justified?

[wheel4hummer]

I know a crack user. (*******) on RSC

he says that the crack doesnt work in MP.

[xaotik]

I know a crack user. (insertnamehere) on RSC
he says that the crack doesnt work in MP.

If he takes enough it just might work actually... :)

[mpracer]

I really don't understand this discussion!

How it's possible to build a community over a demo? :Looking_a A demo born just to taste what the game will give us! We have to thanks the LFS developer who gave us a nice playable demo (and not a normal stupid demo like other title), but it remain a demo!!

Next question, why don't you buy LFS? If you like the lfs Demo the price is not so expensive compared to other video game and purchasing it we will encourage the developer to issue more powerful Sim!

So let's spend our effort to increase the LFS licensed community giving our suggestions saying something useful to the people who develop beautifull tools for us

[GerG]

Now that you know the whole story, one question: Should we be nice to him or are our comments justified?

Well Acutally, i understand that THIS guy is a fool, as i saw two of his reactions which was far more than i wanted to see here :D But simply you can't judge a community (meaning the Demo community), according to one of its members' posts, or behaviour.

[GerG]

I really don't understand this discussion!

How it's possible to build a community over a demo? :Looking_a

Simply. Because the demo has Multiplayer too, so u can have Championships, Leagues in the Demo too.

[tristancliffe]

I think the demo needs more limits personally - like max of 5 laps, and no option to force pitstops etc. Also, later in LFS's life, it should not have the option of rain, allowing only clear weather, and no night time (allow from 7am to 7pm in game). This way they get to try everything LFS has to offer, but to take it seriously, and run proper leagues, then they need to pay for it.

LFS would still have the best demo ever, but more people would feel like coughing up the tiny pittance required to purchase a licence.

[SoloNijN]

actually, if S3 would cost another 12 pounds, i would be glad to pay it, although LFS would become one of the more expensive games.

[P5YcHoM4N]

actually, if S3 would cost another 12 pounds, i would be glad to pay it, although LFS would become one of the more expensive games.
True, so S3 would have to be amazong to make the price worth it (but saying that if I spend more then 168 hours playing a game, it's worth the money, and I've played S2 probably three times that over and S1 10 times that). Way worth the pinkish blue.

[gen2integra93]

ya know what, lets put it this way, you guys dont understand how great of a game this is. the physics are UNREAL everything in this game is bascially a simulated version of a race/street car, all the tuning mods suspention, tranny,tires, camber, downforce, differential etc... is AMAZING. This game blows every game ive ever played out of the water. and its CHEAP and you DONT have to go out and buy it on disk, you can just download it sitting on your fat ass. I would expect them to make the price a little more considering it is the best simulated game period! hands down.


-Jon

[L(Oo)ney]

I think the demo needs more limits personally - like max of 5 laps, and no option to force pitstops etc.

Totally agree. Yes i know its shocking, but i do agree with you, for a change..

I know one person who has played LFS for as long as i have (about three years IIRC), yet this person still hasnt coughed up a measly £24 to give to the devs for all their hard work, instead, he just keep's leeching off them by using the demo. :really:

Im not a fan of timelimited demos, but there really has to be someway of getting these type of people to buy S2. Atm they treat the demo as a full game, and not the demonstrator its supposed to be.

[hrtburnout]

I know a crack user. (djgizmo) on RSC

he says that the crack doesnt work in MP.
You betrayed your best friend!

[P5YcHoM4N]

Totally agree. Yes i know its shocking, but i do agree with you, for a change..

I know one person who has played LFS for as long as i have (about three years IIRC), yet this person still hasnt coughed up a measly £24 to give to the devs for all their hard work, instead, he just keep's leeching off them by using the demo. :really:

Im not a fan of timelimited demos, but there really has to be someway of getting these type of people to buy S2. Atm they treat the demo as a full game, and not the demonstrator its supposed to be.
Removing their access to LFSW would help. Why buy the full game when you get pretty much everything a full user gets. LFS has to have one of the most open demos I have ever played. Needs less cowbell.

[Fonnybone]

Ah man, i so agree ;) This is hard because it's not up to us to decide.
We all want LFS to be all it can be, wether the devs accept it or not
it's also our baby in a way. Say something bad about it and some
want to beat you up to a pulp. It's a fact that a LOT of people are
basically leeching like Looney said. I've done it myself, but 3 years of
leeching can't be good for anyone. On top of this, the bad review LFS
got for the online racing was precisely because of their demo experience.
So not only are some leecheing, they are giving LFS a bad name too !!

It's beyond me how even I, who basically hacked the game, respect LFS
more than some demo users.

Now, i don't want to put all demo users in the same boat either. I understand
the need for the demo and also know that not everyone has the money right
now for a game, sometimes feeding the kid is more important ;)
Eventually, you should support LFS though.

[JSPEC N2oxide]

Yeah even though i am a demo user, i think lfs tweak should be only for s1 and s2 users. I personaly think this game is amazing but i am waiting for the full version of s2 to come out. Thats my personal opinion. :)

[wheel4hummer]

There are only a few demo users, and being one of them, I will buy S2 once more features are added. I dont think that the game is yet worth what they are charging judging by the screenies.

EDIT: I have an idea to get demo users to buy S2... Make a contest where you pay for S2, and then the first say 25 people who buy it will get it free. That way, like 50 people would sign up.

[P5YcHoM4N]

There are only a few demo users, and being one of them, I will buy S2 once more features are added. I dont think that the game is yet worth what they are charging judging by the screenies.

EDIT: I have an idea to get demo users to buy S2... Make a contest where you pay for S2, and then the first say 25 people who buy it will get it free. That way, like 50 people would sign up.
Devs pocket = 0
25*24 = 600
Devs pocket = -600
50*24 = 1200
Devs pocket = 600

Though a nice idea, it'd put the devs out of pocket by £600. And even if 50 people did sign up, they'd just make as much cash as the first 25 would pay, so where's the gain?

Some people just don't want to chip into their pockets. And more features? It's a racing sim. You have a wide range of cars, and tracks. What more do you need?

And take a look at "Home" in www.lfsworld.net, there are always more demo users online then Licence holders.

[McAzerty]

i give it 1 last try, but i'm not gonna be a lot be in lfs i think, need 2 keep my team ( [EU2005] ) open anyway... and don't get angry now, i know i made a (sry) stupid mistake...:-(

[Gunn]

There are only a few demo users, and being one of them, I will buy S2 once more features are added. I dont think that the game is yet worth what they are charging judging by the screenies.There are thousands of demo users.

LFS would be worth buying if it were twice the price. By the time S3 is on my PC I would have paid exactly the same as any other new release game and I will have received several times the entertainment. Quality is not an issue, value for money is not an issue, cost is not an issue. LFS will still be delivering challenging and competitive racing to your PC long after all of your rCade games have been committed to the dung heap.

[bbman]

There are thousands of demo users.

LFS would be worth buying if it were twice the price. By the time S3 is on my PC I would have paid exactly the same as any other new release game and I will have received several times the entertainment. Quality is not an issue, value for money is not an issue, cost is not an issue. LFS will still be delivering challenging and competitive racing to your PC long after all of your rCade games have been committed to the dung heap.
Exactly... Plus, screenies NEVER done any game any justice... Right now, you think 3 different cars on one track are not worth it... But just imagine, what loads of fun you get by 18 cars and 7 different tracks... Believe me, even the demo doesn't really do justice to LfS... ;)

[Sternendaal]

McAzerty,

If you don't want to play LFS,I can't really care.
You obviously want to be a lamer,like most of the demo players.
Just buy the damn game,it is just €35,30!

I mean,for a proper game in a shop you pay easily 50€.

And you just want to play this game,with LFSTweak.
So you can just being lame again and drive a 800 bhp GTi.

@Fonnybone: Keep up the awesome work,and take your time with it.
And just release it for S2 folks,not for the demo guys.

:noob:

just my 2 pennies

[P5YcHoM4N]

McAzerty,

If you don't want to play LFS,I can't really care.
You obviously want to be a lamer,like most of the demo players.
Just buy the damn game,it is just €35,30!

I mean,for a proper game in a shop you pay easily 50€.

And you just want to play this game,with LFSTweak.
So you can just being lame again and drive a 800 bhp GTi.

@Fonnybone: Keep up the awesome work,and take your time with it.
And just release it for S2 folks,not for the demo guys.

:noob:

just my 2 pennies
Only down side with that is I'm sure someone would release/crack it for the demo users =/ Probably the same group of people who make the LFS Cracks >.<

[Fonnybone]

Only down side with that is I'm sure someone would release/crack it for the demo users =/ Probably the same group of people who make the LFS Cracks >.<

Yep ;)

[SlimLine]

Im going through so much tweak withdrawl I have resorted to installing S1h again, and creating my ranger. Only to be wipped around using the gold ol' DFP :D

[gen2integra93]

Im going through so much tweak withdrawl I have resorted to installing S1h again, and creating my ranger. Only to be wipped around using the gold ol' DFP :D

me to actually! I cant take it anymore lol

[Monkeh]

me to

[RABIES]

I was thinking of using a list of LFS members, like from LFSWorld, and using a website for LFSTweak where you could register the app using your LFS name (no password, i'm not gonna compromise any security here, i couldn't even if i wanted to anyways). I'd limit the app to one per name, and i'd provide a way to 'deregister' the app in case of problem or anything.
This part is still a little unclear to me...will this be made to install on more than one PC with a registered copy using the same name? In other words, I have 2 PCs with LFS installed...one at work and one at home, both are registered copies under the same name but a different key. Will this be made to ignore the fact that it is already registered on another PC with that user name even though both are valid but just with different keys?

[Fonnybone]

This part is still a little unclear to me...will this be made to install on more than one PC with a registered copy using the same name? In other words, I have 2 PCs with LFS installed...one at work and one at home, both are registered copies under the same name but a different key. Will this be made to ignore the fact that it is already registered on another PC with that user name even though both are valid but just with different keys?

Well, it was just a basic idea for implementation. I was thinking of using a
publicly available database of the LFS member names to 'register' LFSTweak.
In my ideal plan, LFSTweak also has it's own website which would be used
both to register the app (unlock it) and to double-check the registered name
against a valid LFS username database.

By that i mean that LFSTweak would

1- need to be registered (unlocked)/unregistered(locked) online,
using your LFS username
2- LFSTweak, when used, would compare the username you used to register
it with the username used in the LFS game on your PC. If the names
match, no problem. If they don't, it locks up again and needs to be
unregistered online for you to get another 'key'.

As you can see, i WAS thinking of having only one 'key' available at all times,
so you couldn't register the app on 2 PCs at the same time but i wanted to
make it easy to unregister any key and get an unlimited supply, so you could
lock/unlock at will (although there's surely a way to make a clone to use on
ANY LFS with the correct username, but i'm not there yet). Anyways, the
more i write about it, the more it's flaws become obvious. It could be much
simpler. Also, i've noted comments insinuating how using the LFSnames in a
third party app, especially one like LFSTweak, might not be appreciated. So
i'm looking for alternatives. I'm open for suggestions ! How can LFSTweak
be sure it is being used on a S1+ LFS and NOT on a demo ? More
importantly, it should be virtually hack-proof. This is where simplicity will
be an asset imo. Like using an existing structure within LFS itself to verify.

Btw, i've started working on LFSTweak S2beta these past weeks and
i've got it back up and running although i simplified it and removed all
'add-ons'. Didn't get the presets working yet, but i can load/save
to LFS so that's a solid step forward. My plan as of today is to make
an updated version of MecaniK in the meanwhile. Not the actual full
LFSTweak S2, it will only mod the S1-S2 cars through the cartypes
like the original MecaniK and mini-MecaniK did. It's much more limited,
but as LFS has grown in complexity, the need for all the values isn't
as big. Notice how i use existing structures to provide me with a
temporary S1-S2 user check. Since it only mods S1+ content, demo
users have no use for it. Sorry guys. I'll try to think of you guys next
time around.

[P5YcHoM4N]

An easy way to make it work with Licened users only would be to chuck in a check so when you start LFST it looks for who your Licended to, if it says your licened it works. If it says demo user it closes. Has its flaws, but none the less.

I guess you could setup a website where the person has to register. When they register it sends a message to their LFSW inbox with a link the download. Make each download link unique for each person, so if they share it, the logs will say which link everyone got it from and you can have harsh words with them.
Not sure how well that'd work though. Don't think you could do cross system messaging like that. And I don't have my Linux box running so I can't test it either.

[Bob Smith]

I don't like the idea of registering. But I thought the car types affected the demo cars too? At least they did in S1.

My use of LFSTweak was always for re-creating real cars, and to do that I changed nearly every box. But something is better than nothing. :)

[SlimLine]

I don't like the idea of registering. But I thought the car types affected the demo cars too? At least they did in S1.

My use of LFSTweak was always for re-creating real cars, and to do that I changed nearly every box. But something is better than nothing. :)

Something IS better than nothing, yes. I would love to just be able to mod power and torque for starters. That would have me giggling like a school girl. Anyways excellent work fonnybone, I can say on behalf of myself and the other few thousand tweak users that we really appreciate your time and effort into this mod. As for the licensing issues, I agree with psychoman, if it is possible to just check the file for a license? Is that hard to implement? I have no knowledge of coding....

[JessesAE86]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

Well, it was just a basic idea for implementation. I was thinking of using a
publicly available database of the LFS member names to 'register' LFSTweak.
In my ideal plan, LFSTweak also has it's own website which would be used
both to register the app (unlock it) and to double-check the registered name
against a valid LFS username database.

By that i mean that LFSTweak would

1- need to be registered (unlocked)/unregistered(locked) online,
using your LFS username
2- LFSTweak, when used, would compare the username you used to register
it with the username used in the LFS game on your PC. If the names
match, no problem. If they don't, it locks up again and needs to be
unregistered online for you to get another 'key'.

As you can see, i WAS thinking of having only one 'key' available at all times,
so you couldn't register the app on 2 PCs at the same time but i wanted to
make it easy to unregister any key and get an unlimited supply, so you could
lock/unlock at will (although there's surely a way to make a clone to use on
ANY LFS with the correct username, but i'm not there yet). Anyways, the
more i write about it, the more it's flaws become obvious. It could be much
simpler. Also, i've noted comments insinuating how using the LFSnames in a
third party app, especially one like LFSTweak, might not be appreciated. So
i'm looking for alternatives. I'm open for suggestions ! How can LFSTweak
be sure it is being used on a S1+ LFS and NOT on a demo ? More
importantly, it should be virtually hack-proof. This is where simplicity will
be an asset imo. Like using an existing structure within LFS itself to verify.

Btw, i've started working on LFSTweak S2beta these past weeks and
i've got it back up and running although i simplified it and removed all
'add-ons'. Didn't get the presets working yet, but i can load/save
to LFS so that's a solid step forward. My plan as of today is to make
an updated version of MecaniK in the meanwhile. Not the actual full
LFSTweak S2, it will only mod the S1-S2 cars through the cartypes
like the original MecaniK and mini-MecaniK did. It's much more limited,
but as LFS has grown in complexity, the need for all the values isn't
as big. Notice how i use existing structures to provide me with a
temporary S1-S2 user check. Since it only mods S1+ content, demo
users have no use for it. Sorry guys. I'll try to think of you guys next
time around.

[TurboRacer35]

Even though it might be for licensed users...


That's ok because I'm getting an S2 license next week :razz:

[hrtburnout]

Btw, i've started working on LFSTweak S2beta these past weeks and
i've got it back up and running although i simplified it and removed all
'add-ons'. Didn't get the presets working yet, but i can load/save
to LFS so that's a solid step forward. My plan as of today is to make
an updated version of MecaniK in the meanwhile.


That's great! Do you have any ideas of when you're going to release it?

[L(Oo)ney]

That's great! Do you have any ideas of when you're going to release it?

When its ready?.. :tilt: :D

Im just wondering what these "add-ons" were that you removed...:scratchch :detective

[seggons]

Since I am no programmer I would like to know something ....
When a program has been made and a new patch comes out, how much code has to be changed? the whole lot?

[Sternendaal]

Since I am no programmer I would like to know something ....
When a program has been made and a new patch comes out, how much code has to be changed? the whole lot?

Any updates to the car would be fatal,I guess

[P5YcHoM4N]

That's great! Do you have any ideas of when you're going to release it?

Google Duke Nukem Forever (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=fGo&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official_s&q=Duke+Nukem+Forever). It holds your answers.

[hrtburnout]

Rofl! Duke Nukem Forever is never going to be released :D

[Sternendaal]

Rofl! Duke Nukem Forever is never going to be released :D

Hence the name :D


Forever :D

[Fonnybone]

Since I am no programmer I would like to know something ....
When a program has been made and a new patch comes out, how much code has to be changed? the whole lot?

LFSTweak relies on addresses to find the values it edits. Theses addresses
are the only thing causing problem. When a patch comes out, sometimes
the addresses of the values used in LFSTweak haven't changed so LFSTweak
doesn't need updating, this is why sometimes LFSTweak still works after a
patch. Then sometimes, the data gets moved around and those addresses
change. LFSTweak needs the updated addresses to work properly in that
case. I'm trying to make this easier with the new version by using a
datafile.txt to handle the various LFS versions. This would make it simpler
to update LFSTweak but also make it possible to use the same LFSTweak
with different LFS versions. No need to release an updated one everytime.

An easy way to make it work with Licensed users only
would be to chuck in a check so when you start LFST it looks for who your
Licended to, if it says your licened it works. If it says demo user it closes. Has
its flaws, but none the less.


Ya, that was also my the first thought. I just thought it would be easy to
bypass it. The web site registration was a way to use the LFSworld database
of licensed usernames to confirm (double-check) that this is indeed a valid
username. Of course, to keep someone else from using a valid username, the
name is compared to the name used to unlock LFS. In theory, only this
username should have that username in LFS...so it seemed like a good idea.

I'm not naive, i can't prevent everything, but if i make it a chore, most
will give up.

I'm starting to think about encryption. A good old checksum verifiers and
encrypted data might be enough. Perhaps i can even add some little
protection along the line, like prevent popular hex editing apps from editing it.
Hey, how about i delete your whole LFS install if you try to hex edit
LFSTweak ? mouuuhhehehahahahahahehehmmmmmm...*cough* ehem.

I don't like the idea of registering. But I thought the car types affected the demo cars too? At least they did in S1.

My use of LFSTweak was always for re-creating real cars, and to do that I changed nearly every box. But something is better than nothing. :)

SHHHHH!!! Ahh man, Bob, you weren't supposed to say that! :banghead:
Now that the secret is out, i admit, yes, editing the cartype used by a demo
car will also mod this demo car BUT, the cartype screen won't show for demo
cars so you'd need to be able to select an S1-S2 car to even be start editing
a cartype ;) See, i'm not totally senile.

I'm glad to hear you using LFSTweak 'as intended', i've been blamed for many
things but fact is my motivation for making and maintaining this app is
precisely because of my obssesion for recreating realistic vehicles. The
most interesting is being able to reproduce the car you drive everyday :p
It's one of the best way to evaluate LFS's realism imo. Sometimes it's way
off, sometimes it's damn close !

[Bob Smith]

the cartype screen won't show for demo cars so you'd need to be able to select an S1-S2 car to even be start editing a cartype ;) See, i'm not totally senile.
Ah, cunning.


I'm glad to hear you using LFSTweak 'as intended', i've been blamed for many
things but fact is my motivation for making and maintaining this app is
precisely because of my obssesion for recreating realistic vehicles. The
most interesting is being able to reproduce the car you drive everyday :p
It's one of the best way to evaluate LFS's realism imo. Sometimes it's way
off, sometimes it's damn close !
If you've not been there already, I've shared my creations (since using LFS Tweak is a bit of an artform to get the results you want): http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thefloatingwidget/lfs_twk.html

[P5YcHoM4N]

Ya, that was also my the first thought. I just thought it would be easy to
bypass it. The web site registration was a way to use the LFSworld database
of licensed usernames to confirm (double-check) that this is indeed a valid
username. Of course, to keep someone else from using a valid username, the
name is compared to the name used to unlock LFS. In theory, only this
username should have that username in LFS...so it seemed like a good idea.

I'm not naive, i can't prevent everything, but if i make it a chore, most
will give up.

I'm starting to think about encryption. A good old checksum verifiers and
encrypted data might be enough. Perhaps i can even add some little
protection along the line, like prevent popular hex editing apps from editing it.
Hey, how about i delete your whole LFS install if you try to hex edit
LFSTweak ? mouuuhhehehahahahahahehehmmmmmm...*cough* ehem.

The only downside to that system that I can see is with the crack that's floating around, all you need to is entre a username. So by knowing that they could just look on the LSFW database, grab a name, and register their copy of LFS to that name (I used to enjoy cracking things in my younger years, I use that mindset a lot). Though I'm sure you have taken this into account, which I guess your limited use system would come into play.

To prevent hexing, you could setup a system like Steam. If you open one of their .gcf files before the release date set, it changes all memory values to 999999999999, causing a total system screwup, and a format needed (unless you can use the Windows XP Repair feature as you can't even boot into safe mode), works well, wont if you take the file to a *nix system to crack. But most script kiddies don't have the skill or penash to do such tasks.

[Breizh]

No offense, but can you just PM Fonnybone that sorta stuff pls :)
Just reading it would make me defiant enough to overcome any laziness and do as you describe if I were a bored cracker/cheater demo player.

[P5YcHoM4N]

Yeah, I was starting to think that. It's talking stratagies but over a loud speaker so the other side can hear what is being planned. But really those systems I've mentioned would be full of so many flaws anyway they wouldn't work. The problems comes when I say how they wouldn't work.
A lot like those cop shows which tell you about a crime that failed, but they show in great detail how it went wrong so any wonnabe thug can watch it, and then do what the other person did wrong. I've watched so many of those shows I have plotted out so many "perfect crimes" then waiting for the next weeks show, to find flaws in it, and make it better.

But I'm English, all we do is prance about drinking tea and eating crumpets watching a jolly good dash at the races (horse races fyi). Logical thinking is beyond (that's so spelt wrong but I'm too lazy to alt+tab to word and check) my grasp.

[marsden1002]

I'll take an Fq400 thanks. :eclipseeh

Too much turbo lag if you at the wrong revs :S

[McAzerty]

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thefloati...t/lfs_twk.html

the tweaker on the site doesn't work... if i wanna start the tweaker it says there is a file missing .... O_o can I help this?

(i know its s1 and that thingqs, i do have the 0.3H(s1) version and i tryed but, nothing...)

[Bob Smith]

I'm fairly sure LFS Tweak uses the same files to run as GRC. If you download the missing files pack for GRC (also on my website) that should get LFS Tweak running.

[McAzerty]

it still doesn't work...

[tristancliffe]

Well what file does it say is missing? Bob can't mind read. It might be saying Windows.exe is missing, but how would he know!

First rule of technical support - always tell them what you know, otherwise they can't help you.

[McAzerty]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8212/problem0rm.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=problem0rm.jpg)

There ya got the problem !

[tristancliffe]

Solution: Download the VB Runtime files. Copy that file from the zip into Windows/System directory. Then, in the zip folder (you did unzip it right?), click install.bat (or whatever it's called), and it should say success.

All the VB Runtime files (those OCX ones) need to be in Windows/System and registered.

[Ill_eagle94]

Too much turbo lag if you at the wrong revs :S

Meh, downshift.

I'll just take the Evo owned by a guy in my car club then.

417whp using race gas, on the stock turbo. :nod:

[McAzerty]

thats a very complycated (or sonthing) solution, my solution is: Make a new version for that lfs s1 0.3H

[L(Oo)ney]

thats a very complycated (or sonthing) solution, my solution is: Make a new version for that lfs s1 0.3H

I have a working copy of LFS tweak for o.3h, do you want it?

[McAzerty]

yeah

[tristancliffe]

It's not the program thats at fault. For you to run ANY VB software, you need the VB runtime Files...

[McAzerty]

where I get those?

[P5YcHoM4N]

where I get those?
Google is your friend (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=comctl32.ocx&btnG=Google+Search).

[L(Oo)ney]

It's not the program thats at fault. For you to run ANY VB software, you need the VB runtime Files...

I know that, but he doesnt. What i want to know, is why are you helping him?

McAzerty, i said i would give you a copy. But now i dont really feel like giving a crack user LFS tweak so he can get even more enjoyment out of lfs for free..

Fix it yourself.

[tristancliffe]

My post was directed at him, not you, and I like your new response :D

[McAzerty]

thats not very friendly he...

[Sternendaal]

thats not very friendly he...

We will become friendly when you buy the game.
Logical,isn't it?

In this kind of communities,we don't need the kind of lamers like you are.
Playing the game,but buying? No.
So either buy the game,or move :nod:

[Fonnybone]

Settle down guys. Seriously, what's up with all the b!tching recently,
you guys need girlfriends or something :p Nothing to worry about,
i've got a MecaniK S2 up and running, i just need to fix the details now,
if all goes well, shouldn't take more than a week. Oh, and no i don't need any, please don't ask ;)

[RedRiver]

Need any help with betatesting?

:uglyhamme

(I was just kidding for those who dont understand)

[_rod_]

i was doin some testing with s1 lfst, but i couldnt get it right, i mean that i was trying to make a xrr out of an xrt in s1, so i could really feel the diff between s1 and s2 and for the heck or it, i was wondering how would be to drive an xrr with s1 physics... any1 up to the challenge of doin that?

[ATHome]

Settle down guys. Seriously, what's up with all the b!tching recently,
you guys need girlfriends or something :p Nothing to worry about,
i've got a MecaniK S2 up and running, i just need to fix the details now,
if all goes well, shouldn't take more than a week. Oh, and no i don't need any, please don't ask ;) Nice to here that things are processing :nod: Fooling around with LFS physics was fun in S1 and will be even more fun in S2. Can't wait to drive an FWD formula around Westhill... Yay, I know... Just shoot me if you want :D

[Bob Smith]

i was doin some testing with s1 lfst, but i couldnt get it right, i mean that i was trying to make a xrr out of an xrt in s1, so i could really feel the diff between s1 and s2 and for the heck or it, i was wondering how would be to drive an xrr with s1 physics... any1 up to the challenge of doin that?
I made this one over 10 months ago using the provisional specs for S2... I could probably improve it now but it should do. :)

[_rod_]

almighty Bob!!!!!!!!!! thanks a lot!!! soon as i get home i wiil try that out!!! much appriciated!!!!!!

[_rod_]

hey bob, i was trying to test the lfst file u send to me, but the car loaded complited diff. here is the screen of the lfst and inside lfs

edit: im using 0.3h

[herki]

you'll need to put in some commas(,) or dots(.)... i know this problem :D
weight perhaps 15,25 / 15.25
general hp/powerband (+ -width)/sound raspyness with 0.xxx / 0,xxx
redline 1,7
wheelbase +-1,xxx
and rear track 1600 or 1,600
cx 0,3

maybe i haven't seen everything, but i think you can see how to fix it :)

[Bob Smith]

_rod_, if you open the .twk file in notepad, you will see all the decimal places - you'll just need to put these in manually

[_rod_]

oh ok, thx !!!! i will try at night when i get home. thx!!

[seggons]

Oh, and no i don't need any, please don't ask ;)
I dont think any of us was gonna offer you any s*x :D

[P5YcHoM4N]

I dont think any of us was gonna offer you any s*x :D
Well I don't know about you, but :lovies3d:

[Fonnybone]

Well I don't know about you, but :lovies3d:

I don'T go for guys, but i'll take your girl if you want :scratchch

[aoe_viruz]

You know fonnybone it is my birthday tomorrow.......:scratchch :smileypul

[Vendetta]

You know fonnybone it is my birthday tomorrow.......:scratchch :smileypul

I wouldnt expect LFStweak for some time ;)

[SkyNet]

Fonnybone please hurry up with s2 version of mecanik/lfstweak! I haven't been this wet since Scawen announced S2 alpha! :D

[Bob Smith]

I wouldnt consider MecaniK to be an LFS tweak alpha, its more of a "preview" of whats to come once lfs tweak is complete imo..

Considering it has no where near as many tweak options as the full thing...
Err, isn't that was alpha means? Or maybe pre-alpha. Anyway, no point arguing, let's just play with it when it gets here and see what we can break.

[Turbocharge]

thats not very friendly he... ...enjoying the melted metal wheels on your rollercoaster tycoon 3 with your 800 hp XF GTi train Mcazerty??scraping up the spent steel dust on the ground?...hacker...no real offense meant....its not about racing the honda cub scooter against a Mclaren F1 GTR Road car...its with what skill you race...i dont need any lfs tweaker files to have massive horsepower to outpull anyone in a corner....((Turbocharge...a demo racer siding with Fonnybone and adjoining licensed users))

[illegal]

He said he doesn't want to buy the game, he likes the demo and asked Fonnybone to make LFSTweak available for demo players.

What's all the fuss about?

[Fonnybone]

Ok, to clear things up, MecaniK is coded as a single app.
LFSTweak will be kind of a suite of apps, which would include
MecaniK. So you're both right :)

[XCNuse]

He said he doesn't want to buy the game, he likes the demo and asked Fonnybone to make LFSTweak available for demo players.

What's all the fuss about?

fuss is about that demo people shouldnt be able to use it
which i have to agree, if they get to use it.. then that just gives them the ability to make any car they want.. without paying.. makes no since right?

[bbman]

Plus, imo, someone using cracks should get NOTHING, his HDDs should be erased everytime he tries to start it... :mad:

[sinbad]

Ok, to clear things up, MecaniK is coded as a single app.
LFSTweak will be kind of a suite of apps, which would include
MecaniK. So you're both right :)

Eagerly awaiting, big thanks for going to the trouble of doing this for us all again :)

[gen2integra93]

yeah, thanks a lot, I think everyone here agrees with me and appreciates it...:nod::nod::nod:

[Hyperactive]

Actually now (don't mean today...tomorrow perhaps :D) is the best time to release the LFStweak for S2 alpha. Why? Because there aren't any patches coming soon, as Scawen has mentioned that after he gets that language-patch released he starts working with the physics...And we won't probably see any new patches in couple of months, I guess... And luckily I don't have credit card - so no donations from me :(

Then OT:
One thing makes me wonder though... A lot of you guys seem to feel very positive about the idea that you can download a new game through internet using kazaa/whatevah and crack it to TEST IT!! I mean WTF!! Then when we start talking about LFS - it's a total no-no. Look in the mirror before you start slapping those with cracked S2.

[XCNuse]

hyper.. its the demo people that try to get more out of something they dont have

i mean.. really.. bladerunner2 .. said that he wont even think about buying it and kept wanting help with stuff.. i mean.. thats different, and alot of these demo guys are doing that and its just plain stupid
its bad enough SAYING you cracked it

[Theafro]

It's about respect when it comes to cracking LFS. I've never had any qualm about cracking BIG title games 'cos a) i've paid for enough of 'em only for them to either not work or be pants, b) i'm poor,

LFS is 3 guys trying to make something cool happen. not just a money making excercise.

i don't think allowing demo racers to play with 'em is a bad thing. they won't be able to race online with the beasts, only play with themselves, like us:D

[Fonnybone]

It's about respect when it comes to cracking LFS. I've never had any qualm about cracking BIG title games 'cos a) i've paid for enough of 'em only for them to either not work or be pants, b) i'm poor,

LFS is 3 guys trying to make something cool happen. not just a money making excercise.

i don't think allowing demo racers to play with 'em is a bad thing. they won't be able to race online with the beasts, only play with themselves, like us:D

Well, i can understand the first part, i almost agree ;) Then again, how
can you start out saying that, then say "i don't think allowing demo racers
to play with 'em is a bad thing", there is no online restriction for LFSTweak,
so that is not even an issue at the moment. The issue is about giving the
demo extra value which can mean for some that they don't NEED to get
the full LFS and give money to the people who make it possible for
them to play this very game and for me to even make LFSTweak. ;)

[Hyperactive]

Isn't it possible to make there some limits about how the demo can be changed (like tire size, revs and engine power output...). And unlimited version for S2 licensed :)

EDIT. though then there might be some problems with people cracking LFStweak...

[seggons]

The arguement I have about giving LFSTweak to demo users is that it is a base for the full game.
ie. Mod the XF GTI to be the racing version is not hard with the mods we have (ie slickmod and LFSTweak).
If Fonny gives us the ablity to mod certain things, then everything apart from the looks of the XF can be modded to create something like the FXO GTR.

They are then getting that all for free. If that does happen, then instead of buying S3, I will wait for LFSTweak and mod the cars to be of the cars in S3 and save myself ~£12.

[Fonnybone]

ie. Mod the XF GTI to be the racing version is not hard with the mods we have (ie slickmod and LFSTweak).
If Fonny gives us the ablity to mod certain things, then everything apart from the looks of the XF can be modded to create something like the FXO GTR.

This is what i think also. I've tried myself and can tell you that although
you can never recreate the exact GTR, you can make your own GTR which
has similar performance and is JUST as fun to drive, if not MORE, since
you can fine tune it to your tastes, and are not limited by realistic bounds.

[sinbad]

The arguement I have about giving LFSTweak to demo users is that it is a base for the full game.
ie. Mod the XF GTI to be the racing version is not hard with the mods we have (ie slickmod and LFSTweak).
If Fonny gives us the ablity to mod certain things, then everything apart from the looks of the XF can be modded to create something like the FXO GTR.

They are then getting that all for free. If that does happen, then instead of buying S3, I will wait for LFSTweak and mod the cars to be of the cars in S3 and save myself ~£12.

Whilst I think that argument is fairly valid, I also think that the S1 and S2 tracks are as much an incentive to buy a license as the cars are. Even if LFStweak allowed demo players to make all kinds of cars (still using the demo car models too remember), they'd still only be using them at Blackwood, so I'm not too sure whether it would stop many of those that were close to buying a license anyway from doing so.

That said, I think it would affect the decision to buy, or at least the time it takes to make the decision, of a significant number of people. The lifespan of the demo with LFSTweak is significantly extended, anyone that would have to make an effort to buy S1 or S2 (like borrowing a credit card, asking Santa or setting up a paypal account or whatever) might not so quickly feel it's worth going to the trouble.

[Hyperactive]

And they wouldn't be able to use those cars online anyway. So a demoracer could create his own XRR-alike but 1) not able to play online with it and 2) It's not the XRR

[sinbad]

And they wouldn't be able to use those cars online anyway. So a demoracer could create his own XRR-alike but 1) not able to play online with it and 2) It's not the XRR

AFAIK if a host is running a mod in LFStweak then anyone using the exact same mod can connect to that server. That's always been the case with LFStweak on demo servers too I think, so unless something has changed for this new version they would be able to use the XRR-alike online as long as there is a server running it.

[Theafro]

but not like you and i can, i can see both arguments have valid points but i don't think an S2 licence is all about having a fast car. organizing and administrating a tweaked server is a pain in the arse (if the cars ain't the SAME you get kicked out(i think) and it's not like the cars are anywhere near as develped and balanced as the 'proper' cars. i see it as a demonstartion of what the engine can do. might show a few bugs once you start pushing 4-500 MPH tho' :D

keep tweak free to tweak all cars but keep their use online down to organized events and we'll all be happy, there's no need to totaly exclude the demo racers, they ARE the buyers of LFS trying it out, if they enjoy driving a 500hp beast then i'm sure they'll enjoy the polish of the GTR's and F08 etc.

BTW, there's nearly 14,000 views of this thread, (shows a little interest don't it!)

[SkyNet]

Will it be out soon (mecanik) ?

[AttiDude]

Lol.. I am checking this topic every day... :Looking_a

[SkyNet]

Heh me too :D

[Theafro]

i think most of the speed freaks are!

bring on the lunacy!

I just can't wait to try and drive something brutal, thers something about simulating the sort of car nobody would EVER actually race against anybo',

[TaiFong]

I actually have a question, Fonnybone. Do you know if that 450 mph speed limiter is still in the game which resets your car when you hit it? That was quite annoying when trying to break mach 1. :)

[_rod_]

damn u hitted 450mph? damn dont think i was ever close to that speed

[SkyNet]

It was easy :D

[SlimLine]

Lol.. I am checking this topic every day... :Looking_a


Me too. :scratchch

[_rod_]

now im gonna keep on trynig till i reach 450mph... what track did u guys used?

[Shotglass]

the back straight on bl1 is just fine for reaching 720 / 450 ... if your car is well tweaked you can reach that speed easily before you hit those huge bumps

[Theafro]

instant takeoff. LFS becomes a flight sim if you're not carefull:D

the oval should b good tho'

[_rod_]

when lfst s2 comes out, if there isnt a 450mph limit, think u will be able to go over that on the oval,but meanwhile im still using s1 :thumb:

[bw_krupp]

Back in the day (S1), I could hit the 443 mph limit in 2.7 seconds. Fastest quarter mile was 2.61. It's all about *bending* the laws of physics.

[ATHome]

Back in the day (S1), I could hit the 443 mph limit in 2.7 seconds. Fastest quarter mile was 2.61. It's all about *bending* the laws of physics.

There is no spoon, Neo :tilt:

Couldn't resist :shy:

[Fonnybone]

hehe, sorry if i left off saying Mecanik was close and didn't give any news
since. I'm making good progress. MecaniK S2 is DONE and has been for a
bit over a week now. Like i've said before, i'm a perfectionist and i'm trying
to iron out the details and bugs as much as i can without going crazy.

A few nights ago i thought it was good for a release as defaults seemed to
work since i managed to mod all cartypes i could, then default and was
able to join an online game, which means i've sucessfully written the default
values back into LFS so the OSS check won't stop you from going online, as
it should ;) Then, after a few seconds in the server, it started....i got kicked
with OSS but LFS reconnected back to the server immediately :schwitz:
...only to be kicked again, and so on, never had that happen before, i must
have written in the wrong place, or something, i'll find it. Funny thing is an
'old' friend of mine just happened to be in that server and witnessed this,
he was probably the only one in that server to have any idea what was
happening ;) Ok now, everyone wave to steve :wave2:

Another detail, with my last app, GteK, i realised that the test patches
might create problems. I haven't installed any myself, so get ready to
need a 0.5P exe to use for MecaniK. Until i'm minimaly satisfied with it,
i'm not releasing MecaniK. Please be patient a little bit, believe me, it
shouldn't be too long now. I'll take the risk of saying that i should be
able to release something within a week, as it is the goal i've set for
myself.

Just so you guys don't have to come and check for updates/releases,
i'll add UPDATED! in the thread name, so you can just check that ;)

Ok, back to VB... :smileypul

[Theafro]

aaah, i thought THIS was it for a split second:doh:

are you sure you don't need any.....

[Fonnybone]

are you sure you don't need any.....

Actually, i DO need some, but it's probably not what you think it is ;)

[seggons]

I knew it:http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=38305#post38305 :p

[Matrixi]

aaah, i thought THIS was it for a split second:doh:


I second that. :banghead: Ah well, nice to hear updates about this, keep up the good work Fonnybone :) *still keeps checking this thread daily*

[TheSparkster]

Thanksgiving gift? :)

[XCNuse]

.. the mans canadian! lol
we never get anything for thanksgiving anyways

[Theafro]

i don't mean beta testers. (ive got a mean supply of 'thinkin' sticks'):smileypul

[Mini_ron_82]

blimey, that mekanic thingy is wiked!

well done!

shame i cant unlock the rest of the game as ive used all my unlocks this month as i got a new pc!

top job anyhows!!

[tristancliffe]

email victor. If you have a valid reason for not using up keys (and he'll probably look at your usage too) then he'll give you a new one.

If he thinks you've been handing out keys to people, or abusing them, then you won't.

Worth a try (means more LFS!)

[Shotglass]

then again its only one more day till december so hell probably have a new unlock faster by simply waiting for the last day of november to pass

[Mini_ron_82]

nah, im not bothered, i have enough fun racing standard cars anyway!

thanks tho

[vilim]

Sorry for asking such a dumb queston, but is that LFStweak for s2 released?

[Bob Smith]

Nope, only this: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=3209&page=9 (so far).

Perhaps to occupy yourself in the meantime, you would consider buying a license? Lots more fun! :D

[aoe_viruz]

so....It's been a while since we've had an update. Wasn't sure if fonnybone was waiting till they did the physics update or not. Anyway some new info would be nice! :) :thumb:

[wheel4hummer]

Sorry for asking such a dumb queston, but is that LFStweak for s2 released?

I just realized why they shouldn't give S2 Tweak to us demo users. And, it is a reason why they gave demo users LFS tweak S1 and why they wont (or shouldn't) give use LFStweak S2.

[TurboRacer35]

So I'm guessing LFSTweak for S2 will not come. Egh. :pillepall

[hrtburnout]

It will, just be patient :)

Fonnybone, get working :D

[[RCG]Boosted]

yeah but no update so long...
hum, fonnybone in holidays? :D

[Fonnybone]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=70361#post70361

[[RCG]Boosted]

great news new fonnybone! :D

[FPVaaron]

Will it have more modifications than the S1 tweak?

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

That's Awesome Fonny! Something to look foward too WOOHOO.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Are we there yet?

[Fonnybone]

Almost, i have a 'lite' version almost ready, only need to add the defaults
which will take a little while. I'm still on schedule.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

If there's anything "menial" (as in non-revealing from your perspective) I can assist with I'd be glad, I've been doing VB for a long time, indeed it's part of my job (as well as VC++ to a lesser extent)

[Bob Smith]

Heh, if you've free time, explain to me the simplest way to read and write binary files in VB (I want to add .set support to GRC soon (i.e. this year)).

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

open them for binary access and parse them byte by byte with an input loop - inside the loop just spit your values into your custom datatype.

I've never look at a .set file I always assumed they were ASCII files, obviously not lol. If you have the format details I'd be happy to write you a routine. :)

edit: I'm assuming your point is that you don't have the details. The .SETs are all 132 bytes regardless of which settings are available on the car, which leads me to beleive that Scawen has a Struct set up for them.... If I am correct then he could make your process much faster by allowing us to see that, otherwise we'll have to do it the longer way. :)

[hrtburnout]

Almost, i have a 'lite' version almost ready, only need to add the defaults
which will take a little while. I'm still on schedule.

Great news :)

[Bob Smith]

edit: I'm assuming your point is that you don't have the details. The .SETs are all 132 bytes regardless of which settings are available on the car, which leads me to beleive that Scawen has a Struct set up for them.... If I am correct then he could make your process much faster by allowing us to see that, otherwise we'll have to do it the longer way. :)
Oh yeah the details are freely available, Colcob posted them somewhere... I've only had experience reading and writing ASCII files and I know VB is a pain in the ass since it doesn't natively support binary.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

I tried searching for those details to no avail (I am decidedly a bit challenged when it comes to finding relevant info on forums, must be genetic or something). Point me in the direction of this info, and I'll have a routine for you pronto, then we can all rejoice with the super-GRC.

Also VB does support binary files natively.

[Bob Smith]

I didn't say binary files... I said binary, as in binary numbers. Not that it matters.

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=213190 :)

Any help would be appreciated muchly.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

I didn't say binary files... I said binary, as in binary numbers. Not that it matters.
Sorry Bob, I assumed from the context that you meant files:)

Thanks for the link I'll be in touch, off to have a boo at the link.

[[RCG]Boosted]

still waiting :schwitz:

[askoff]

Boosted']still waiting :schwitz:
You are not alone. :)

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Relax, he has until Tuesday at midnight :D

[Gabkicks]

i was hoping i would get today as a birthdy present lol:tilt:

[MiniVan]

So in lfs tweak, we will be able to modify wheel sizes?, and what about bespoke? that was a good one to go along with those wheel sizes.

[Fonnybone]

Relax, he has until Tuesday at midnight :D

I do ? Oh good ! :schwitz: Got the defaults in and most stuff is done now.
I'm at the bug fixing part now. There are some details here and there
that need fixing and then i'll release my 'lite' version.

[MiniVan]

Oh God Hurry And Release It Im Dying!!!!!!!!ahhhhh

[McMartin]

:schwitz: still waiting :schwitz:

[hrtburnout]

i was hoping i would get today as a birthdy present lol:tilt:

Happy B-Day then :D

[MiniVan]

ugh ahhh wah waH WAHHAHAHAHAHA

[Fonnybone]

Getting close.....got the defaults working, went into a few servers and it
seems ok. Didn't check if presets work well so ill do a bit of that.

How about i release a beta and use you guys to test ? Yeah, i know
the answer...i'll make a new thread within a day or so. thanks for your
patience guys. :D

[tristancliffe]

Will it be possible to cheat hotlaps with it?

[Fonnybone]

Good question. I'll test it now to be sure, but it's not supposed to.
This is one reason why i've abandonned MecaniK and worked on
LFSTweak instead. That said, your online LFSworld stats WILL be
affected and LFSTweak times done online in a modded server will
overwrite your slower times.

[aoe_viruz]

Good question. I'll test it now to be sure, but it's not supposed to.
This is one reason why i've abandonned MecaniK and worked on
LFSTweak instead. That said, your online LFSworld stats WILL be
affected and LFSTweak times done online in a modded server will
overwrite your slower times.

What do you mean you abandonned MecaniK? It's still going to be part of LFSTweak right? Does this LFSTweak have all the features of the S1H? I don't care if there's anything new, I was very happy with the features in S1H.

Also, I want to thank you for taking your time to make this app for us...I absolutly love being able to make real life car's and testing them. THANKS!

It's so close I'm shaking in my panties.........uhhhh...I mean......:hidesbehi

[Hyperactive]

What do you mean you abandonned MecaniK? It's still going to be part of LFSTweak right? Does this LFSTweak have all the features of the S1H? I don't care if there's anything new, I was very happy with the features in S1H.

Also, I want to thank you for taking your time to make this app for us...I absolutly love being able to make real life car's and testing them. THANKS!

It's so close I'm shaking in my panties.........uhhhh...I mean......:hidesbehi

Just wait few days and see it yourself. If it's gonna be two days :) or I dunno :D