Test Patch Z27 (installer test + minor updates)

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST

THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN NEW PHYSICS / VW SCIROCCO / ROCKINGHAM

Hello Racers, here is a new Test Patch : Z27. It is fully compatible with version Z25.

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from version Z25 so you can go back to Z25 if there are any problems.

This is mainly about the new installer which Victor has been working on.

Thank you translators, for making and updating the new installer translations. :)

The installer gives you a default folder of C:\LFS but you can choose wherever you like. Vista and Windows 7 users should preferably not use their Program Files folder because of some issues that come up.

The installer is very non-intrusive, it just does a normal LFS install and adds an icon to your desktop (if you wish) and a start menu item (if you wish). Also optional is an auto setup of file associations for SPR / MPR / LYT and SET files. This will be very helpful for new LFS users who can sometimes install LFS in the wrong place using the old self-extracting archives.

Also new is updated support for the URL lfs:// which can be used to start LFS using a command line from a web page. This will soon be the new method for "LFS Join" links at www.lfsworld.net and from the forum. Previously a special program needed to be installed but soon the links will work for any copy of LFS installed using the installer.

You can test the full version installer, or you can use the Z25 to Z27 patch installer. This will require you to select your existing LFS folder.


IMPORTANT NOTE 1 : LFS World is not updated - "LFS Join" links do not yet work with this!

You can test anyway by visiting this temporary web page after installing Z27 : http://www.lfsworld.net/hostjointest.php


IMPORTANT NOTE 2 : You will need to unlock after installing Z27!

This is because of a fix for hibernating computers losing their unlock. We have made sure you have some unlocks spare. :)


Changes from Z26 to Z27 :

Reduced minimum view height in SHIFT+U mode
Improved reading of host names and passwords from command line
Multiple host passwords are now stored (Join Specific Host screen)


Changes from Z25 to Z26 :

Added support for lfs:// start LFS with command line from web page
Various translation updates

FIX : It was possible to reset the car while a vote was in progress
FIX : Clicking SPR / MPR did not work if "Load track when starting"
FIX : Help buttons sometimes translated after returning to English
FIX : Two or more dedicated hosts could be started with same port


DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Z25 to Z27 (installer) (Z25 must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Z25_TO_Z27_setup.exe (2.3 MB)

FULL VERSION Z27 (installer) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_Z27_setup.exe (138 MB)

DEDICATED HOST Z27 (non-graphical version for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Z27.zip (1.6 MB)

[Byku]

Works good, but I had to unlock LFS ;) [just for information ^^].

Edit.: Indeed I do not read T_T....

[HKS_ERALD]

I've been waiting about 11 months to get the VW. When is the official date that we actually DO get it?

[rediske]

had to unlock too...

[Koa128]

I've been waiting about 11 months to get the VW. When is the official date that we actually DO get it?
Keep waiting, specially due to posting in wrong thread, with wrong timing and wrong attitude :shrug:

[morpha]

Password saving works like a charm :nod:

What's with the new RAC body animations? :)

[e.M]

and again then i saw 27 i was too excited with tyre physix :D

[Byku]

What's with the new RAC body animations? :)

?? What body animations O.o?

[Tomba(FIN)]

I don't know about body animations but is that a trip meter in there!?

[Flame CZE]

I don't know about body animations but is that a trip meter in there!?
That's been there since Z25 :tilt:

By the way, just a minor bug, reproduceable in Z too: when in custom view, by moving the "view rotation" slider the driver's head is moving too :) Nothing important but if it's easy to fix...

[hp999]

Works fine here.:)

[adamshl]

Password is not stored for LAN servers, LFS displays stored password from last selected server of Internet.

[Ripley]

Works good, but I had to unlock LFS ;) [just for information ^^].
had to unlock too...
IMPORTANT NOTE 2 : You will need to unlock after installing Z27!
Do people read readmes ?!?!?

I've been waiting about 11 months to get the VW. When is the official date that we actually DO get it?
Are you really waiting for an answer ??

[Byku]

Do people read readmes ?!?!?


Are you really waiting for an answer ??

Bloody hell... i feel so stupid right now...:doh:

[morpha]

?? What body animations O.o?

I don't know about body animations but is that a trip meter in there!?

The driver's body, not the car. The patch contains new .ban files for the RAC ;)

[Napalm Candy]

Continuing with some translation problems.. really is a person who translates?

[ZanZi]

this (http://translate.google.com/) maybe? :p

[Flame CZE]

The driver's body, not the car. The patch contains new .ban files for the RAC ;)
The UF .ban is newer too, from 06/08. Perhaps it has something to do with new wheel rotation (900). :smileypul

[Etem]

As I wrote on the last backup the installer isnt working for me!
It cant overwrite that LFS or anything else!
The protection is turned off.

[Victor]

is your LFS folder located in Program Files?
If so, move the folder out of Program Files and try the update again.

Or try running the installer as Administrator, but the above is recommended.

[Etem]

I did it manually too.
Nothing works

Edit : and I use it as administrator
Edit 2 : I am moving that thing atm,takes 1 more minute
Edit of Edit 2 : I moved it and works now! Thanks!

[DevilDare]

All good here. Thanks devs.

[Ger Roady]

Are you really waiting for an answer ??

Bloody hell... i feel so stupid right now...:doh:
Scawen has already responded. You must read between the lines.:something
This will soon be B)

[Renku]

I don't know about body animations but is that a trip meter in there!?
where?

[Ripley]

BUG!
README.txt says "Live for Speed S2 0.5Z26"
:D

[Flame CZE]

where?
Here (http://i50.tinypic.com/vhrvig.jpg), the lower text on the virtual dash.

[Scawen]

Continuing with some translation problems.. really is a person who translates?Maybe it would be a good idea to send a PM to DeXteRrBDN ?
You could discuss with him directly the problems you have found.
It's so hard for me to comment on translations...

Thanks! :)

What's with the new RAC body animations? :)They should have been included with Z25. The RAC steering wheel was increased in size with Z25, as accurately as possible to the real car. It was important so that the small dashboard could be visible. But I forgot to include the updated animations until now.

Password is not stored for LAN servers, LFS displays stored password from last selected server of Internet.Thank you, that is a good point. :schwitz:

[Renku]

Here (http://i50.tinypic.com/vhrvig.jpg), the lower text on the virtual dash.
not in my LFS Z25

[Shadowww]

not in my LFS Z25You have non-Z25 FZ.vob I think.

[Ger Roady]

I think ,they are talking about the small dashboard in the RAC, right ?

But what do you mean with body animations ? Driver-body ?

[Flame CZE]

I think ,they are talking about the small dashboard in the RAC, right ?
Yes, he's meaning another car, I don't know why FXO :shrug:

[KanseiDneova]

I downloaded the Z25 to Z27 installer and when I did that I ran the installer and extracted to the same folder. Update was successful but now I get 2 LFS shortcuts on desktop and 2 LFS folders in the program files menu, labeled Live for Speed and Live for Speed (2). I'm running Windows XP SP2 64 bit here. Both shortcuts run Z27 just fine.

[Whiskey]

Then you didn't chose the same folder.

It should have been C:\Program Files\LFS, I bet you install it in C:\Program Files

[Bean0]

Could the installer remember the last chosen options (desktop shortcut etc) like it does the install location ?

[KanseiDneova]

Then you didn't chose the same folder.

It should have been C:\Program Files\LFS, I bet you install it in C:\Program Files

If i did that, then the update wouldn't have worked.

[Danas]

gotta love the LFS join link's :thumb:

[Whiskey]

emmm, right.

Then I have no idea what have happened :x

[Flame CZE]

Wouldn't it be good to write somewhere to the installer to rather not install LFS to Program Files because of some problems that may occur?

[Ger Roady]

I get 2 LFS shortcuts on desktop and 2 LFS folders in the program files menu,.
With the same path ?

[aroX123]

I have this wierd feeling we are going to have a suprise just round the corner.

[Flame CZE]

I have this wierd feeling we are going to have a suprise just round the corner.Me too, but I didn't want to post that :shy: Anyways it's probably our overexctiement.

[aroX123]

Me too, but I didn't want to post that :shy: Anyways it's probably our overexctiement.
Yap, all this waiting make me crazy, but worth waiting for.
Well, I have patience for a few more weeks.
Sorry for "half" offtopic

^Back to test patching

[alxf1]

1. Updated to Z27
2. Started LFS
3. Clicked multiplayer/display list of hosts... it has suggested me to enter a username (I've forgot to unlock)
4. unlocked
5. clicked on display list of hosts
6. clicked to join a host
7. skins downloaded
8. waiting for guest info
9. Got a message "Host is Live for Speed S2" (OK)

It worked out after restarting LFS...

A question...
Why if a server has an "welcome message", the loading bar is shown underneath that message and if it doesn't have one - it shows the loading bar on the left hand side (instead of licence status).


To Victor:
<--- my country's flag is missing http://www.lfsforum.net/images/flagpics_tiny/Moldova,%20Republic%20of.gif

[kingfishersa]

1. Updated to Z27
2. Started LFS
3. Clicked multiplayer/display list of hosts... it has suggested me to enter a username (I've forgot to unlock)
4. unlocked
5. clicked on display list of hosts
6. clicked to join a host
7. skins downloaded
8. waiting for guest info
9. Got a message "Host is Live for Speed S2" (OK)

It worked out after restarting LFS...



Same here.

Also, If its an update setup then the icon file creation is not needed, maybe leave then false for an update. The associations however, should stay.

[pik_d]

Is there any particular physics reason that we cannot upload Z27 hotlaps? Is it just that no one has updated LFSW to recognize Z27 as a valid patch?

[Victor]

yes it can happen (well it will happen) that test patches are blocked from hotlaps on purpose. Test patches are not 'production ready' by default, so always expect restrictions like that.

[Ger Roady]

Well if the wheel is bigger then the arms and wheelhold are going to be slightly out of place i would think, and so an updated animation would fix this
Hmm tested z25 and z27 and the hands look the same ?

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[Flame CZE]

Well if the wheel is bigger then the arms and wheelhold are going to be slightly out of place i would think, and so an updated animation would fix this
You really should read.
But I forgot to include the updated animations until now.

[Ger Roady]

I have but "Untill now" is a little bit vaguely defined. Untill now could also mean it is now inserted .

[morpha]

I have but "Untill now" is a little bit vaguely defined. Untill now could also mean it is now inserted .

Yes that's right, Z27 includes new animations, hence my bringing it up in the first place.

[Ger Roady]

Ok, where are these animations ? As you can see in the pics ,the hands grab the wheel in z25 and z27 the same way.

[morpha]

Ok, where are these animations ? As you can see in the pics ,the hands grab the wheel in z25 and z27 the same way.

Yep you're right, thanks for double-checking and reporting :thumbsup:

[Scawen]

Ok, where are these animations ? As you can see in the pics ,the hands grab the wheel in z25 and z27 the same way.The animation files are in the data\move folder. Z25 or Z27 LFS.exe makes no difference, only the .ban files.

[eblise]

aha...........................http://i46.tinypic.com/2953k12.jpg

[Scawen]

I downloaded the Z25 to Z27 installer and when I did that I ran the installer and extracted to the same folder. Update was successful but now I get 2 LFS shortcuts on desktop and 2 LFS folders in the program files menu, labeled Live for Speed and Live for Speed (2). I'm running Windows XP SP2 64 bit here. Both shortcuts run Z27 just fine.This sounds strange - are you sure you did not install the full version twice? Because the (2) shortcuts should only appear if you do another full install. This is the first time we've heard that a patch install somehow got into that "double install" support function designed for the full version.

EDIT : We now have another instance of this - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315538#post1315538

[morpha]

The animation files are in the data\move folder. Z25 or Z27 LFS.exe makes no difference, only the .ban files.

Are you sure you included the correct files with Z27? Because the animation still looks like it's for a smaller wheel :shrug:

[TRM.13]

Continuing with some translation problems.. really is a person who translates?

You have to wait to the next patch, Dexterr is working in a new/better version that you didn't see yet ;)

[iFastLT]

This sounds strange - are you sure you did not install the full version twice? Because the (2) shortcuts should only appear if you do another full install. This is the first time we've heard that a patch install somehow got into that "double install" support function designed for the full version.

I got 2 shortcuts when updating too (I checked box to create shortcuts because I thought it wouldn't create these another time if they're present). And got it both times, when updating from 25Z to 26Z and from 26Z to 27Z. I use W7 x64

[Victor]

can you check if there's a file called InstallLFS.info in your LFS folder? And if so, can you open it with notepad and tell me what it says?

[iFastLT]

can you check if there's a file called InstallLFS.info in your LFS folder? And if so, can you open it with notepad and tell me what it says?

Sure, it says:

Live for Speed (2)
LFS (2)
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[Victor]

thanks and that's the only (installer-installed) LFS you have?

[iFastLT]

thanks and that's the only (installer-installed) LFS you have?

Yes, but earlier I had one installed in other dir, then uninstalled it and installed this one.

[TRM.13]

Only a question:

LFS installer detects from where we are, isn't it?

Then Spanish (español) language must be selected by default for Spain, instead of international spanish

By the way, international spanish really is machine traduction

[Scawen]

Here is a Z28 exe, fixing the two LFS.exe issues that were found.

- Could not join S1 or S2 host after unlocking from Multiplayer screen
report by alxf1 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315322#post1315322

- Multiple host passwords are now stored for local network hosts (by ip and port)
report by adamshl : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315093#post1315093

If this works well then we'll be ready to try a hopefully final Z28 installer with some fixes Victor has done today.

EDIT - file removed - an updated Z28 is now available : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315740#post1315740

[Ger Roady]

The animation files are in the data\move folder. Z25 or Z27 LFS.exe makes no difference, only the .ban files.

Are you sure you included the correct files with Z27? Because the animation still looks like it's for a smaller wheel :shrug:
Maybe Scawen didn't saw your post, or the "changed" animations are not visible with any Z-Patch :shrug:

[SanSebi]

when i install this z27, i must unlock my lfs, and i lost one from three voucher codes?

[Scawen]

Are you sure you included the correct files with Z27? Because the animation still looks like it's for a smaller wheel :shrug:

Maybe Scawen didn't saw your post, or the "changed" animations are not visible with any Z-Patch :shrug:OK I've found out what's going wrong. The "old" RA in in the public version uses the lx animations.

The "new" RA with a new setup for the new physics uses its own animations.

So those animations I included have no effect at all. Sorry for the confusion.

It's not an easy change to make because the driver sits higher in the new version as well. For now we just need to delete the animations from the patch. :)

[NotAnIllusion]

when i install this z27, i must unlock my lfs, and i lost one from three voucher codes?
Unlocking the game client has nothing to do with voucher codes (the ones used to purchase a licence). If you somehow used an actual voucher for unlocking a different LFS account, you're doing it wrong. Unlocks and vouchers are completely separate, and you get more unlocks every week up to a maximum of 2.

[Ger Roady]

- Could not join S1 or S2 host after unlocking from Multiplayer screen
report by alxf1 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315322#post1315322

.
I am a little scared to lock my lfs because of the limited amount of unlocks.

[Scawen]

when i install this z27, i must unlock my lfs, and i lost one from three voucher codes?Do you know that every friday, your unlocks available increase (up to 2) ?

So you will never run out of unlocks. LFS is not a product that you can only unlock 3 times.

I increased everyone's unlocks to 2 when Z27 was released.

[tristancliffe]

Limited as in infinite?

[Scawen]

I am a little scared to lock my lfs because of the limited amount of unlocks.OK, I have increased your unlocks to 3 again so you can test that fix. Thanks. :)

[Ger Roady]

Hmm in German it says " Only one unlock per week possible !
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In English it says " Only demo content will be avaible !
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[Scawen]

Can you tell me what that should really say in good German? I think it should be corrected, but mein Deutsch ist nicht gut.

[morpha]

"Diese Live for Speed Installation wird auf den Inhalt der Demoversion beschränkt!" would be the most accurate I can think of.

[Ger Roady]

- Could not join S1 or S2 host after unlocking from Multiplayer screen
report by alxf1 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315322#post1315322

.
Ok tested and seems to be fixed :thumbsup:

"Diese Live for Speed Installation wird auf den Inhalt der Demoversion beschränkt!" would be the most accurate I can think of.

+1

[Scawen]

"Diese Live for Speed Installation wird auf den Inhalt der Demoversion beschränkt!" would be the most accurate I can think of.
It is limited to 63 characters :

Diese Live for Speed Installation wird auf den Inhalt der Demov

[SiL-X]

"Live for Speed sperren?
Nur DEMO Inhalt wird verfügbar sein!"

[smove]

What about: "Damit wird nur noch der Inhalt der Demo-Version verfügbar sein."

Exactly 63 characters, btw. :D

[Scawen]

"Live for Speed sperren?
Nur DEMO Inhalt wird verfügbar sein!"

It's only the second line that is limited to 63 characters. :)

I am assuming the first line is OK. So we just need a max 63 chars translation of :

Only DEMO content will be available

So far we have three entries :

Nur DEMO Inhalt wird verfügbar sein!
Damit wird nur noch der Inhalt der Demo-Version verfügbar sein.
LFS wird auf den Demo Inhalt begrenzt sein!

Which is the best one?

[Ger Roady]

"LFS wird auf den Demo Inhalt begrenzt sein ! "

In English " LFS will be limited to the Demo Content " :)

[bavorak]

not restricted minimum height in shift+u mode is great imho and not restricted speed of movement (down to 0,1m/s) in shift+u would be also great for video makers :) if it would be possible and easy could you devs make this for me? thx :)

[adamshl]

Here is a Z28 exe, fixing the two LFS.exe issues that were found.

Z28 Tested and works great, good job!
I noticed that LFS logs last selected LAN server, confusion or possibility? :)

[Scawen]

Z28 Tested and works great, good job!
I noticed that LFS logs last selected LAN server, confusion or possibility? :)Silly me, forgot to remove the debug message :(

[Scawen]

I think I prefer this one :

Nur Demo Inhalt wird verfügbar sein

Because it is an exact translation of the English one, but "Demo" is used instead of "DEMO" - consistent with the rest of the Deutsch translation.

Is that ok?

[Ger Roady]

"LFS wird auf den Demo Inhalt begrenzt sein ! "

In English " LFS will be limited to the Demo Content " :)

Maybe it is only the english original that is wrong :D:D:D

[zeugnimod]

I think I prefer this one :

Nur Demo Inhalt wird verfügbar sein

Because it is an exact translation of the English one, but "Demo" is used instead of "DEMO" - consistent with the rest of the Deutsch translation.

Is that ok?

It should be:

"Nur Demo-Inhalt wird verfügbar sein."

Connected with the hiphen or what it's called. Two nouns following each other doesn't really make sense in german. :)

[Scawen]

Maybe it is only the english original that is wrong :D:D:DEnglish is fine if you leave out some words :)

I've taken zeugnimod's as the final version.

[smove]

It should be:

"Nur Demo-Inhalt wird verfügbar sein."

Connected with the hiphen or what it's called. Two nouns following each other doesn't really make sense in german. :)

He is right. Although it's nearly too short considering it's a German sentence. :razz:

[Scawen]

IMPORTANT NOTE TO ANYONE WHO GOT THE PREVIOUS Z28 TEST EXE :

I have removed a debug message and reduced minimum speed in SHIFT+U mode. That means, the one you tried is no longer the "real" Z28.

An updated and hopefully final Z28 can be found below : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315740#post1315740

Please download this one (or use the Z28 patch when it is ready) or you may have problems unlocking. Thank you.

[Ger Roady]

Ok . Ready for physic stuff :nod: :D

Edit : No problem to patch, back to Z27 !

[Scawen]

Here is a Z28 exe, fixing two LFS.exe issues that were found.

- Could not join S1 or S2 host after unlocking from Multiplayer screen
report by alxf1 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315322#post1315322

- Multiple host passwords are now stored for local network hosts (by ip and port)
report by adamshl : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315093#post1315093

- Also reduced the minimum speed in SHIFT+U mode to 0.1 m/s
tiny request by bavorak : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315675#post1315675

If this works well then we'll be ready to try a hopefully final Z28 installer with some fixes and updates Victor has done.

[aroX123]

Youre working hard on these small bug fixes and some nice updates, but where do you get all the time working on the physics?


I think you are finish, but your just cleaning tiny bugs before releasing it, thats my thinking..
Looking forward for it!

[Scawen]

I think you are finish, but your just cleaning tiny bugs before releasing it, thats my thinking..You are wrong - there is still a significant amount to do on physics.
One thing is leading to another as usual... and good things are lined up.
But I am not going to talk about that on the test patch thread.

[Ger Roady]

- Could not join S1 or S2 host after unlocking from Multiplayer screen
report by alxf1 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315322#post1315322

Tested again. Still seems to be working now.


- Multiple host passwords are now stored for local network hosts (by ip and port)
report by adamshl : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315093#post1315093


Afaik nobody tested this till now !? Due to lack of multiple Hosts it is not testable for "normal" user :shrug:

[kimd41]

You are wrong - there is still a significant amount to do on physics.
One thing is leading to another as usual... and good things are lined up.
But I am not going to talk about that on the test patch thread.

Sounds like theres still a lot of time to wait :schwitz:

[Scawen]

Afaik nobody tested this till now !? Due to lack of multiple Hosts it is not testable for "normal" user :shrug:You can have multiple hosts on a LAN. A "normal" user with only one computer can also set up multiple dedicated hosts on their own computer, with different ports, then use the local IP address 127.0.0.1 to connect to those hosts. :)

Anyway one way to test is simply by entering a password, type a new host ip address or port, switch between internet and local mode, etc. To see if the password is always updated as expected.

[Vegas Las]

Sounds like theres still a lot of time to wait :schwitz:

And ? Let devs in their work. :nod:

[AndroidXP]

Sounds like theres still a lot of time to wait :schwitz:
I guess they're aiming for a Christmas release, but we'll see. Software development time can be quite unpredictable if delivering an unfinished product is not an option.

[Ger Roady]

You can have multiple hosts .... .... To see if the password is always updated as expected.
I will try to test this.
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In Shift-U mode i pressed "D" and this came out. What is this ?

[AndroidXP]

Used for distance measurement. Has been implemented since... ages.

[Kid222]

In Shift-U mode i pressed "D" and this came out. What is this ?
I guess you can measure distance with this... but don't know exactly how.:shrug: It's been there ever since and even longer.

[morpha]

You place the "pole" and it'll show the distance from that one to the one "in your hand" (attached to the cursor).

Thanks for the min. move speed reduction Scawen :thumbsup:

[Ger Roady]

- Multiple host passwords are now stored for local network hosts (by ip and port)
report by adamshl : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1315093#post1315093


Tested with 3 server and works perfect.:thumb:

Edith says:
Used for distance measurement. Has been implemented since... ages.



I guess you can measure distance with this... but don't know exactly how. It's been there ever since and even longer.



You place the "pole" and it'll show the distance from that one to the one "in your hand" (attached to the cursor).

Thanks for clarification. So many years and still something new :)

[Scawen]

Thank you all very much for your testing and help.

Z28 is now ready. With some luck maybe it will be the final one! :)

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=63564