Old School out in the middle of nowhere track

[XCNuse]

so im currently looking through blackhole motorsports' website, and came across this game being created called Racecom, nothing about the game.. but rather the track in the screenshots
specifically this one: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/sims/RCOM/screenshots/7.jpg

now.. whats cool about that picture, is its like all the tracks back .. waaay back during the early days of tarmac tracks that.. basically look like they are out in the middle of nowhere with trees .. basically everywhere, driving like in a forest almost.

but what that picture reminds me of, is the old pictures of Aston, which... looks like it "caught up to its time" and now has big stands and whatnot
but i think.. this is what we needs, a track like it used to be :
http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/Image12.jpg
http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/as6.jpg

and .. thats what kinda sucks about all of the tracks in LFS right now, they all seem to be around.. some large .. economy, theres always huuuuuge buildings somewhere in site, and never.. tree covered track sections which is pretty much uninhabited; which.. kinda gives racing its original name, back when there were no tracks, but dirt pathways

anyone agree..?, have any ideas, comments or anything about having a track thats mostly in a very 'out in the middle of nowhere' idea for a track
(and yes, this isn't a specific point out to this track, but nordschleife and the nurburgring do include this kinda.. highly forrested area)

[Bob Smith]

Yeah, I know what you mean. One thing I always loved about the Paris-Dakar rally was the complete remoteness of it - just man and machine. Le Mans has lots of sections that are unaccesable to the public, just long tree-lined sections. Would be very cool. :)

Btw, where is this shot: http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/as6.jpg - I can't remember it in game.

[Blackout]

Btw, where is this shot: http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/as6.jpg - I can't remember it in game.

Reminds much of Aston GP/Historic we have now.

Somekind of midle of nowhere section would be cool for some tracks. Like Westhill, it could have longer old section with it, midle of forrest. Hilly tarmac track in midle of forrest...hmm


*sits and waits who is the first one to mention and post a pic of the Norchalsieseise*

[the_angry_angel]

I dont recognise it either tbh, so its either been cut, or heavily modified to the chicane on Aston GP / Historic? As usual I'm probably wrong (or am I just trying to spread mis-information ;))

I totally agree with the remote-ness factor of tracks. A paris-dakar style "track" could be fun ;) But more general remote-ness would also be very cool :up:

[NotAnIllusion]

Looks like the long left-right-left leading to sector 3 in the GP and Historic configs of Aston, maybe the FOV is just making it look longer than it really is :S

[Vain]

You mean like a long narrow track with few visible corners, a lot of vegetation and very hilly?
That's why I want to see a 'Ring-track in LFS.

Vain

[joeynuggetz]

Isn't that limerock park?

[XCNuse]

thats the pre S bend at aston (that tire is the same tire so..)
and that was back before S1 lol

[Swat]

one of the reasons there might not be remote tracks in the game is because the cars in the game would be raced on the big tracks with buildings and stands and stuff
so if you want those kinds of tracks you might have to wait untill we get some different cars :shrug:
but i would also like to see some of those tracks :thumb:

[Vain]

Oh yeah, you only see those street cars on the real big tracks. I mean, XRT and XFG type cars are only driven on wide highspeed tracks and never on some tourist-type track. Normal people just can't effort a pure racecar like the FXO and so normal people can't take them to the local racetrack on trackdays. Really!

Vain

[Swat]

your local racetrack isn't surronded by trees is it?
i know mine isn't
http://www.infineonraceway.com/images/gallery/grandstand%2Ejpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/california/sonoma_raceway.jpg
http://racing.ballparks.com/Infineon/aerial.jpg

and yes you can race here

[Vain]

Mine is the 'Ring. :)

Vain

[XCNuse]

ya mine (er.. hte one we used to have part ownership in) used to be... Road Atlanta.. till then.. panoz has .. well, turned the place into a tourist atraction.. its not really a race track anymore

[Rappa Z]

Me local tracks are Pocono Raceway/Limerock/Dover/Watkins Glen. I live in NJ. Any1 been to the IRL Watkins Glen race?

[Hyperactive]

I think my local track is the forest :D

A forest track could be nice, hmm. Can you even hit a tree in LFS in any track? Too safe :shrug: :D

[Rappa Z]

I don't think it's nice to imitate Jimmy Clark's :bananadea.

[XCNuse]

ya.. you can hit a tree.. go to Fern bay lol

[Rappa Z]

where on the track?:).

[XCNuse]

fe green specifically has most open trees

[deggis]

If I had magical powers I would remove all the spectator stands etc. stuff from Westhill and make it look like some really old half-adandoned track with Autumn scenery. :shrug:

[Hyperactive]

fe green specifically has most open trees

I go check now. :D

EDIT: Couldn't really hit any of those trees. Unless you get over the fence there is no chance of hittinh 'em :( :D

[XCNuse]

the ones after the HUUUGE jump hill? on green.. you can hit those.. or atleast you could in S1

[Rappa Z]

no tree is hitable on green.where is the HUUUUGE jump hill 'cause i don't get air.

[Eldanor]

If I had magical powers I would remove all the spectator stands etc. stuff from Westhill and make it look like some really old half-adandoned track with Autumn scenery. :shrug:

Mmm that reminds me those great countryside tracks of Porsche 2000, crossing forests and valleys, they were good :)

[_Rob_]

Autobahn was my fav track in that game :p

[ajp71]

Isn't that limerock park?

Not steep enough but did remind me of Limerock.

In the UK circuits grandstands I can think of:

Brands (S/F + some on GP circuit?)
Donnington (S/F only)
Silverstone (lots)
Mallory (none)
Cadwell (2 small ones)
Oulton (some)
Snetterton (maybe S/F?)
Lyden (none)
Goodwood (most corners)
Rockingham (grandstand only spectating)
Pembery (none)

I think LFS could do with less grandstands in future tracks and more intense tracks with less run off area like proper club circuits and some really high risk fast undulating corners (such as Devils Elbow @ Mallory and Knickerbrook @ Oulton).

[Vain]

I think my local track is the forest :DSo you propably like rallying a lot :D .

Vain

[Bob Smith]

Autobahn was my fav track in that game :p
It's true, I so want a properly motorway modelled in LFS. Oh yeah. Grr.

Although preferably without the toll booths in the middle of a high speed section. But starting from somewhere like that would be great. :D Makes a reverse track awkward though. Point to point! Oh randomness.

[Primoz]

Dunno about you guys but i think i can recognise where the pics have been taken around AS. I think 2 or 3 places are a little unrecognizable.

[ajp71]

I liked the level through the forest most in the 914 or Carrera RS (not Normandy the other forest) as well as the City track in the 959. So much better than the Hot Pursuit 2 that followed.

[ajp71]

Never had S1 but I thought Aston was new for S2? Or was this development screens (there are S1 screens of the FO8 somewhere).

Btw, where is this shot: http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/as6.jpg - I can't remember it in game.

The very fast esses on the Aston Historic/GP layouts always scare me shitless :D

[XCNuse]

The very fast esses on the Aston Historic/GP layouts always scare me shitless :D
esses section only scares me in FV8 because of that last right hand turn before the bridge, if you go over a touch on it, it has a curb thats invisible, and can fling you .. destroyed my FV8 on like a 20 lap race.. was like lap 18 too.. that sucked

but the turn during and after the bridge scares me in GTRs, because it destroyes your front right

and no, aston was not in S1, all we had was BL, SO, FE, and AU
but apparently (obviously) it was made beforehand and extremely made over ( i just WISH we would get the docks track back: http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/shot5big.jpg )


imo, looking at this picture of the start of the old aston
http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/as2.jpg

^ i want to see something like that

[Becky Rose]

Le Mans has lots of sections that are unaccesable to the public, just long tree-lined sections
You can drive the whole thing except the start/finish section. You might have trouble recreating the mulsanne chicanes without wrong siding a roundabout, but it's all public road except the complex. The fact that parts of it are tree lined is because it's in France, and they like their trees :).

I actually disagree a little with the original post, I find a lot of the tracks in LFS quite sparse... We've got a lot of "Snetterton" like tracks already, what I feel would be nice is more tracks like Blackwood and South City where the backdrop has something other than farmers fields.

[Fetzo]

You can drive the whole thing except the start/finish section. You might have trouble recreating the mulsanne chicanes without wrong siding a roundabout, but it's all public road except the complex. The fact that parts of it are tree lined is because it's in France, and they like their trees :).


i think, he meant that some sections of le mans are unaccessable to the public DURING a race :) (no opportunity to watch that sections as a visitor).

[Primoz]

I agree, the old starts were nice. And can you find more pics of that track? (did you say it was the 'docs'?) Also look at this pic:

http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/shot1big.jpg

Notice the green on the inside of the corner? :)

[Shotglass]

I agree, the old starts were nice. And can you find more pics of that track? (did you say it was the 'docs'?) Also look at this pic:

http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/shot1big.jpg

Notice the green on the inside of the corner? :)

same goes for the uphill after the esses on bl ... bl is too paved now too modern too clean

[XCNuse]

I agree, the old starts were nice. And can you find more pics of that track? (did you say it was the 'docs'?) Also look at this pic:

http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/shot1big.jpg

Notice the green on the inside of the corner? :)
that right there is the long turn in SO Classic (notice how much it has changed)

the docks.. is what i call it because i can never remember the name of it, i think its the name of some like.. body of water or something.. some of the guys that have been here know what it is

there are VERY old pictures of the place, but its not.. really anything more helpful lol it looks like an old DOS game
http://www.4players.de/rendersite.php?LAYOUT=screenshot_list&world=lfs&setid=4205
look down at bottom for the really old pictures, the ones with the palm trees

[Greboth]

A track in the middle of nowhere sounds good. Reading all the posts so i was thinkin - there are tracks like blackwood that are surrounded by farmers fields but they dont feel like the little in the middle of nowhere tracks as theres lots of space round the track.
I saw a video of blackwood last night and i guess was s1 as the chicane had metal barriers which IMO looked good. The graphics are an improvement but as general outline of track it looked better.

(ill try to find link for video)

Edit : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6842633087537633660&q=lfs&pl=true <-- video

[Takumi_Project.d]

that is s1 but whoever recorded that video had modified textures loaded... the original textures werent like that...

[Greboth]

that is s1 but whoever recorded that video had modified textures loaded... the original textures werent like that...

I wasnt commenting on textures or anything. Simply if you look around the track there seems to be more trees and closer to the track.

[Primoz]

On the uphill from the esses (in S1 blackwood) the trees were actually ON the track, at least some leaves and branches of them :) S1 Blackwood was actually quite nice... This one is kind of too modern. We have Fern Bay that looks old, but Blackwood had a much more classic feel to it, maybe because it's a brittish track and FE is Jamaican?

[Hyperactive]

Psst would it be anyhow possible to hack the old blackwood into S2 :D

[XCNuse]

@Takumi, thats not S1, thats pre S1 back in the demo days the textures were like that (actually, i believe those were pre S1 textures made by Mr. X)

@primoz, yes FE is "jamaican" (put around quotes since its a made up track)

@Greboth, yes, there were TONS... literally TONS of trees on the left side of BL during S1 and before down the back straight

[MAGGOT]

I miss those trees alongside the S1 BL GP in after the esses... It was beautiful then :D

I too would like a middle of nowhere track... How about a Canadian one this time? BC mountains anyone? :D "Greg Moore Memorial Park" perhaps? :P


MAGGOT

[Primoz]

Ooooooooh, with killer downhills and uphills :pillepall :D :thumb:

And yes, it's 'jamaican' :)

Oh, Hyperactive, it would be nice, but isn't doable :(

[XCNuse]

@Maggot... hey.. maybe not canada, but... anywhere there is snow would be nice :D

so, some of you may be wondering well.. isnt KYGP kinda out in the middle of nowhere.... it is..... but it definetly doesnt give that feel, i think it doesnt give that feel because of how much area there is from side to side on the track, and i would rather see armcos on this 'out in middle of nowhere' track as compared to KY's thick concrete kiler slabs (some sections look kinda good in small areas ei: right before the hard right turn and then into the esses, on that straight on the left side there are a ton of trees which give it that feeling)

maybe its just that i want a track with an invisible turn

[wheel4hummer]

You mean like my local racetrack? It seems out in the middle of nowhere... Havent been there in person though.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-380633322442068001&q=Virginia+International+Raceway&pl=true
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1362941626174045524&q=Virginia+International+Raceway&pl=true

EDIT: Oh yeah, and once they do their planned renovations, this will be the longest road course in the USA!

[MAGGOT]

@Maggot... hey.. maybe not canada, but... anywhere there is snow would be nice :D

Well, I wasn't thinking THAT far up the mountain ;)

What I want is a fun track, which has some hair-raising elevations, and a "home-town" track feel to it, but can still support fast cars. Also, have a little less run-off, to help with the "crap-your-pants" feel to the track. For instance, Mosport and St. Jovite (Mont Tremblant) are good examples of this. Hell... why not just make a Mosport clone? :D lol

MAGGOT

[Primoz]

Would be kind of nice to have an old track too :) Like the old blackwood, with cracked up and patched asphalt and an REALLY old school layout :)

[Greboth]

What I want is a fun track, which has some hair-raising elevations and a "home-town" track feel to it, but can still support fast cars. Also, have a little less run-off, to help with the "crap-your-pants" feel to the track.
MAGGOT

Laguna seca? thats got some serious elevations and drops. Can support fast cars. Although it hasnt got that "home town" track feel.

[XCNuse]

@wheel4hummer
well.. not quite, that track is to wide open, i want something that is just .. lined with trees and you just feel like you have no room to move, giving the track a small appearance even though it isn't, so that you really have to train your brain to get good times around the track

[sdether]

Laguna seca? thats got some serious elevations and drops. Can support fast cars. Although it hasnt got that "home town" track feel.

Ah, Laguna Seca. There's a track that's got everything. The corkscrew is the ultimate "oh shit" elevation change in any track I've seen. While it's a bit technical, it can definitely support fast cars. I was there 2 years ago for the Monterey Historics, when Ferrari was the marque of distinction and they had Micheal's 2003 car there trying to break the track record. Didn't quite do it.. a couple of hundredth off, but seeing a car that fast maneuver the track was hair raising even from the stands.

[Scottie]

is there a video of that somewhere?

[XCNuse]

well i've been thinking about this more, and a track that has really appealed to me on this topic is VIR (virginia international raceway)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVES715qL0w

its a great track, plenty of altitude changes, and its quite wooded, but i think something in LFS would look ever better if it were wooded closer to the track and more so in the center section

but its generally a fantastic track with just about everything you could want (well.. minus a corkscrew) but it has esses, long turns, sharp turns, serious hills, and a seriously long back straight which will really determine who has the better line

heres a map of the track

http://www.ogaragroup.com/ogara_ssi/images/va_racewayMap.jpg

..anyone find it a resemblance to road atlanta?
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0607_x+road_atlanta_map.jpg

[MAGGOT]

I still want my Canadian Mountain track. :shy: hehe

[joen]

I never saw those old Aston screenshots and missed this thread before, but damn, I agree that´s the type of environment LFS could really use.
I always felt a forest type track would be great to have and give a great sense of speed.

So Eric, how about it? :):scratchch

[MillerM]

It's true, I so want a properly motorway modelled in LFS. Oh yeah. Grr.

Although preferably without the toll booths in the middle of a high speed section. But starting from somewhere like that would be great. :D Makes a reverse track awkward though. Point to point! Oh randomness.

Autobahn was also my favorite in that game.

The LFS tracks are in between that ultra smooth surface and a very poor, nordschleiffe?, surface.

Now they are all much alike.

There could be much more difference between the different tracks just by making the tracks have their own track smoothness. :nod:

[DTrott]

I'll just quote my post from an earlier thread, becasue I still like the idea, although it's unlikely.

I want a twisty, mountainous circuit as well. Maybe a point to point thing.

What I'd really like is to thunder through the hilly and twisty roads of the Yorkshire dales, in a classic british sports car. Piercing the country side silence.

Like this: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/what/transportation/493050_rural_journey.php?id=493050

I'd also like English woodland track this sort of scenery: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/settings/seasons/spring/2694632_road.php?id=2694632

Though the truth is we probably won't get one.

[MAGGOT]

The second pic you have there, DTrott, I what I want the most; a two-lane Tarmac Rally type stage through a dense mountainous forest area. I have a feeling that won't happen, without modding, in LFS, though.

Alternatively, I want my Canadian mountain race track. lol (Yes, I'm going to keep bringing it up... :shy: )

[Mako.]

You mean like a long narrow track with few visible corners, a lot of vegetation and very hilly?
That's why I want to see a 'Ring-track in LFS.

Vain

but withought the walls that are on the ring... and a bit wider.. like model it as a 2 lane road...

[Jimmy_Lemon]

black wood looked pretty good back then :o

i think the streight away on the old black wood is better because of the bump which theyv toned down into a small smoothe hill now :(

[Blackout]

i think the streight away on the old black wood is better because of the bump which theyv toned down into a small smoothe hill now :(

Why can't people understand that the bump was just badly modeled, bug and unrealistic. Imagine doing that in the BF1, would snap your neck I tell you! :P


Some sort of west loop to Blackwood would be cool, it should go deep into pitch black woods. Blackwoods eh? Well...you can always dream :/

[MAGGOT]

A Blackwood "Rally Stage" would be neat; Could be set on the other side of the highway in a dense forest; but I don't want any sort of connection to the race track. The race track has one config (plus rallyx and reverse) and I like it best that way. But I do like the idea of a BL Rally. :)

[N00d735]

What about a bathurst style track??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSu3cU3C3o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathurst_1000

This track is the pinnacle of Australian Motorsport and a track like this will be a great addition to LFS. So if anything you should be looking at this for you refrence. :D

[boosterfire]

Personally, I think something like the following would be pretty cool:

http://www.lecircuit.com/circuitDocuments/CMT%20areal.jpg

Champ Car is going there this year :)

[MAGGOT]

I'm glad to see Champ car took my un-announced suggestion. They wanted another French-Canadian date; where the idea of 3-Rivers was brought up. I immediately suggested St. Jovite to my father.

It's a BEAUTIFUL track and area. There is two problems with the circuit, though. The first being a very small paddock area, and the second being that it is not very fan friendly. Fans are limited to the paddock area, and the infield around the top 1/3rd of the circuit pretty much. They need to find some way to extend the paddock area and allow the fans full access around the circuit (like Mosport) and then it will be an absolutely amazing facility... Moreso.

[XCNuse]

Personally, I think something like the following would be pretty cool:
http://www.lecircuit.com/circuitDocuments/CMT%20areal.jpg
Champ Car is going there this year :)
Looks pretty interesting; however, it looks as though it lacks some altitude changes and whatnot that VIR contains, overall that track just looks like a shortened Aston GP.

[MAGGOT]

Actually St. Jovite (le Circuit Mont Tremblant) has more elevation changes than VIR. Turn 1 is a ballsy corner for sure, Namerow another interesting corner, and the bridge turn (Shapr righthander immediately after a moderate climb).

VIR ain't got nothin on Mont Tremblant as far as I'm concerned... okay.. maybe it has one thing; crowd friendliness. .. *cough*

VIR is nice, too, though.

[XCNuse]

Okay, I was just watching a video on youtube of the track, and you're right maggot, it actually does have a fair amount of altitude change, I say +1 to CMT, also it has 5 tracks paths you can take on it too which is a good +.

[sinbad]

Dunno about you guys, but I gave up posting track suggestions lonnng before this thread was even created. :)
Nice to dream, but the word futile comes to mind. We'll get 3 or 4 environments with S3, 5 at the most I reckon, and there'll be a lot of disappointed people. The current batch of LFS tracks is fairly unimaginative, quite formulaic (particularly the S2 stuff), and positively bewildering in some ways. Tracks aren't and never will be LFS's strong point, mainly since there's so few, but more of the same wouldn't be great either.

[boosterfire]

By the way, st.jovite is actually a fake name to avoid confusion. The tourists that came from USA and other parts of Canada were apparently confused with the name. The track is actually in the town of Mont Tremblant, St-Jovite being another town. :)

I agree, it definietly isn't fan friendly, say, as the Gilles-Villeneuve track is, but that actually adds a bit to it, imo. I wouldn't see it with huge stands all around it. :shy:

[MAGGOT]

You don't need stands to be fan friendly; yet again I'll bring up Mosport ( :shy: ). It has small stands on the front straight, and some inside Turn 8. That's it. BUT the thing that makes it fan friendly is the openness; you can go almost anywhere there. That is what I'd like to see St. Jovite do.

Oh, and I know it's in the town of Mont Tremblant. St. Jovite is just easier to say, me being a non-french speaking Canadian. Tremblant just doesn't roll off the tongue like 'Jovite' does. (Anyone who knows the proper french pronounciation for both knows what I mean, I'd assume.) Along the same lines, I use the English translation for Trois Rivieres. (Three Rivers) I know, I'm an ignorant jerk... I've come to terms with that. lol.

[Gimpster]

That original screen shot which got you started on this thread is of the track Lime Rock Park. The game in now Driver's Republic and that track is rather fun and feels very remote. I love it. It reminds me of my local track. Some of the tracks we have now feel too comercial if you know what I mean.

The old blackwood had this same feel, Fern Bay to some degree feels the same as does Westhill and parts of Aston but in the end that all feel too much like international racetracks and less like the local club track that I feel would fit better with how I see LFS.

I always felt that for S2 the Fastest cars should have been the non-downforce GT cars and the FOX single seater. The GTRs, FOX, FO8 and BF1 could have been left for S3 along with an LPM and other high end cars.

I hope for S3 we get some tracks that feel like the local haunts that see less profesional racing an more drivers training and club events.