Round 1: Protests

[dekojester]

Please place your Round 1 protests here in the following format:

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident:
Car(s) involved:
Brief description of incident:

It is helpful if you attach a trimmed replay of the incident, but we will be able to look in our replays as well.

Protests due within 36h of when I post the official serverside replay for today's race, which will be overnight, since I have to jet right after the race to another event in real life.

Word of advice: Get the mpr from your driver after their stint and look at it before posting, or at least have a look at it yourself.

[three_jump]

Lap 1 / 2 (Start)
Car involved: #20, #25

What was that? #20 was about 1 car in fron of the polesitter when the race started!

[dekojester]

Lap 1 / 2 (Start)
Car involved: #20, #25

What was that? #20 was about 1 car in fron of the polesitter when the race started!

Car 20 was ahead of #25 for the majority of the straight leading to the start, and was going before the green came.

Car 20 - DT - JUMP START

[racer hero]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 50 or 51 (restart)
Car(s) involved: 4 Stroke Racing Team and CoRe Racing
Brief description of incident: 4SRT spun us after the restart in t1.

[Tomhah]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: around 1h and 10 min.
Car(s) involved: 17 M.Riis, 25. C.McKowen
Brief description of incident: #17 Doesnt let us pass under blue-flag when showing intention of passing.

[Makao]

Lap 62
Car(s) involved: 17 M.Riis, 16 M.Miziolek
Brief description of incident: 17 M.Riis doesnt let us pass under blue-flag when showing intention of passing.

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 50 or 51 (restart)
Car(s) involved: 4 Stroke Racing Team and CoRe Racing
Brief description of incident: 4SRT spun us after the restart in t1.

Car 22 is alongside Car 20 going into the first turn, as both approach car 27, going slightly slower, with car 20 still evenly alongside, car 22 moves right and shoves Car 20 off, causing an incident.

Car 22 - DT - Causing an avoidable incident

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: around 1h and 10 min.
Car(s) involved: 17 M.Riis, 25. C.McKowen
Brief description of incident: #17 Doesnt let us pass under blue-flag when showing intention of passing.

Lap 62
Car(s) involved: 17 M.Riis, 16 M.Miziolek
Brief description of incident: 17 M.Riis doesnt let us pass under blue-flag when showing intention of passing.

Car 17 vs Car 25 is iffy, because there really wasn't any defence against any properly presented overtaking - there weren't any until 25 got around. Warning to #17 for this one.

However, Car 17 vs Car 16, Car 16 presented a proper overtaking attempt coming into the turn preceding the long straight, but car 17 raced him down the straight and cuts off 16 going into the chicane. This is a violation of our blue flag rules.

DT to Car 17 for ignoring blue flags

[Tomhah]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: 1h 52 mins, corner before the backstraight.
Car(s) involved: 08 and 25
Brief description of incident: 08 does an extremely unsafe rejoining, costing us time and nearly the race(?).

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: 1h 52 mins, corner before the backstraight.
Car(s) involved: 08 and 25
Brief description of incident: 08 does an extremely unsafe rejoining, costing us time and nearly the race(?).

No contact between the cars, but 08 does receive a WARNING for that rejoin - other options to rejoin were available, but to rejoin from that position with cars coming was somewhat dodgy of a move. Since there was no major incident caused, this will only be a warning.

[lizardfolk]

Lap and Replay Time or Race Time if during race of incident: 1h 45-50 mins, Long Straight.
Car(s) involved: 13, 19, 26
Brief description of incident: Car 19 is trying to pass 13 while 26 is trying to lap both 13 and 19. Car 19 passes 13 on the inside and turns right into 13. A lag then occurs and 13 is punted out of the track.

[AstroBoy]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: Roughly 1 hour 42
Car(s) involved: 13 and 19
Brief description of incident: Car 19 runs into the side of car 13, car 13 starts to spin, then car 19 lags appears in car 13 and hello Wrong route for car 13.

Also props to P.Chapman for avoiding the whole thing :D

[skstibi]

Replay time right after 1h 34min 45 seconds, Long straight. lap 75
Cars involved 14 and 03.
I (14) am holding a smooth line close to the inside, 03 is on the outside attempting to overtake comes over and hits the side of car 14.

May seem minor but it was fully avoidable absolutely no reason for it at all. Caused minor damage to my suspension and cost time. Almost caused a larger incident, lucky I did not go for a spin.

[hyntty]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: Roughly 1 hour 42
Car(s) involved: 13 and 19
Brief description of incident: Car 19 runs into the side of car 13, deliberately you can actually see his steering input change, car 13 starts to spin, then car 19 lags appears in car 13 and hello Wrong route for car 13.

We do accept the apology from the driver, however we don't accept the intentional wrecking of our car.
Also props to P.Chapman for avoiding the whole thing :D

Lag. Can't give penalties to the internet.

I find it hard to believe lag appeared just after the incident and had nothing to do with it.

[Flingoko]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: 44th lap just after pit exit.
Car(s) involved:12, 17
Brief description of incident:Car number 12 do not wait for car nr. 17 to pass. Instead it caused a spin for both cars.

[CSF]

Lap 5 (4 racing) 7:05 on the replay. Car 06 just hits us in the middle of the final turn ruining our race. Complete idiot. Have a nice penalty.

[Egon-est]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27 and #07
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and crashed us in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

[ivantod]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and made collision in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

[AjRose]

Lap and Replay Time 2H 28M 11sec.
Car(s) involved: #04 and #11
Brief description of incident: Car#04 divebombs our car in the corner. And continues to use him to make his way through the turn.

[dekojester]

Serverside replays posted, you must file any protests by 19:00 UTC on Monday, November 16th.

Replays are in The replays thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=63307)

Posts regarding the protests have been moved to the race discussion thread. Please keep this thread to just protests and the corresponding admin responses.

[Lombardi]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 40th lap and 49m 38s
Car(s) involved: ZION Team #06 and Dinamo Motorsport #12
Brief description of incident: Car 06 spun us at last chicane.

[StableX]

Protest, Pre-Lap One
Against: Organiser
Reason: Starting Race when grid was not lined up in accordance with the rules.

[[FAR]D1ggA]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 2nd Lap, first corner of the real race!
Car(s) involved: n!faculty #21, RAPTOR-RACING #08

In T1 after green flag #21 gives us a hard bump. J. Wand crashes into the wall on the outside and our race is in fact over, cause after the needed pitstop we are last with almost a lap behind. We had no chance to continue with that damage.

[boothy]

Lap 98 / Race time 2:04:30+
Cars 05 vs 12

Car 05 blocks car 12 on the left and gets bumped coming up the main straight, and moves to the right slightly to take the racing line for a better T1 entry after the s/f line. There is hardly any space between car 05 on the racing line and the kerb, car 12 just sticks his nose in and realising it's too late, brakes slightly before losing control into car 05, sending us into the barriers.

[dekojester]

Administration Initiated Investigation:

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 23 mins 30 replay time, lap 18, final chicane
Car(s) involved: #11, #07
Brief description of incident: #11 unsafely rejoins after spin.

[Drift King CZ]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 3:00:20-30 replay time, lap 143 (last lap), before final chicane
Car(s) involved: #22, #12
Brief description of incident: #12 pushed #22 on grass which resulted in lose of position.

[dekojester]

Another admin-initiated investigation while reviewing the mpr some:

Lap and replay timecode: Lap 33, 41m30s
Cars Involved: 00 and 09
Brief Description: Car 00 is approaching in the slipstream of Car 09, to lap it. 09 brakes slightly on the racing line, catching 00 off guard. Car 00 and 09 contact, 00 runs into the red/whites at the chicane and goes out of bounds.

[dekojester]

Thread is closed...discuss anything you want in the race discussion thread. We're working to get responses out to these shortly.

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[dekojester]

Replay time right after 1h 34min 45 seconds, Long straight. lap 75
Cars involved 14 and 03.
I (14) am holding a smooth line close to the inside, 03 is on the outside attempting to overtake comes over and hits the side of car 14.

May seem minor but it was fully avoidable absolutely no reason for it at all. Caused minor damage to my suspension and cost time. Almost caused a larger incident, lucky I did not go for a spin.

Car 14 gets a bad run through turn 5 coming onto the backstretch. Car 03 shows patience and works to overtake on the outside. As the kink is approached, both cars touch sides causing #14 to slide. We deem this as a racing incident, but wish to caution all competitors to be mindful of their surroundings.

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: 44th lap just after pit exit.
Car(s) involved:12, 17
Brief description of incident:Car number 12 do not wait for car nr. 17 to pass. Instead it caused a spin for both cars.

Car 12 exits pitlane, holding to the very right of the track. Car 17 pulls right to prepare for the turn, and runs into #12. Neither car would have been able to see the other without looking, being in a blind spot and the somewhat dodgy exit area. This is deemed a racing incident, with a caution to all competitors to be heads up during pit windows. We expect that no other course will have a pit exit that is this blind.

[dekojester]

Protest, Pre-Lap One
Against: Organiser
Reason: Starting Race when grid was not lined up in accordance with the rules.

This protest will have no outcome on the race, and is rejected. Reason below.

The rules to not explicitly require the start to be waved off. They state that Control may wave off, but does not have to.

I was going to, but then decided that more attempts would have been more problematic than that, without spending an excessive time under safety car. When I made the mental decision to throw the green, I saw what to my mind was an acceptable formation in the first several cars - the decision made about 1.5 seconds before the green flag was called - the 1.5 seconds was me calling the control panel up and clicking the green flag.

On review of the entire start, the difficulty seems to be largely down to the track design. Driving actions also played a part. The forming into double-file could potentially have been done before the chicane, requiring all drivers to hold generally in double-file through the chicane and last turn (at 80 kph, it should have been plenty wide enough).

Some cautions from what I noticed while watching the start mpr:

- You MUST stop ANY weaving/tyre warming actions once the "SC IN THIS LAP" message appears.
- You MUST maintain a consistent pace once the "SC IN THIS LAP" message appears.
- The Front Row MUST be on pitlimiter from the "SC IN THIS LAP" message OR Whatever point we specify - NO EXCEPTIONS.

The problems, as we see it, under pacing conditions come from unpredictable, erratic moves. Wild side-to-side weaving can be dodgy - evidenced by a Dinamo near-spin doing so.

We anticipate that the remaining circuits will not have this lack of formation issue, with more space to form up. The only remaining concern circuit is Fern Bay, but we expect that the track leading up to the main straight is wide enough for an early formation.

There will be some updates to the SC regulations for clarity and assigning of who needs to worry about what.

[dekojester]

D1ggA;1309246']Lap and Replay Time of incident: 2nd Lap, first corner of the real race!
Car(s) involved: n!faculty #21, RAPTOR-RACING #08

In T1 after green flag #21 gives us a hard bump. J. Wand crashes into the wall on the outside and our race is in fact over, cause after the needed pitstop we are last with almost a lap behind. We had no chance to continue with that damage.

On braking for T1, #08 starts to slide and scrub off more speed, and #21 is boxed in with nowhere to go. No fault to either car assignable, just unfortunate luck on the start. Racing Incident.

[dekojester]

Lap 5 (4 racing) 7:05 on the replay. Car 06 just hits us in the middle of the final turn ruining our race. Complete idiot. Have a nice penalty.

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 40th lap and 49m 38s
Car(s) involved: ZION Team #06 and Dinamo Motorsport #12
Brief description of incident: Car 06 spun us at last chicane.

Car 06 is found to have caused an avoidable incident in both of these, where a simple backing off and not stuffing the nose of the car in would have sufficed to avoid the incident. DT for each, two +30s penalties, total of 60 seconds will be added to the race time of Car 06.

Lap 98 / Race time 2:04:30+
Cars 05 vs 12

Car 05 blocks car 12 on the left and gets bumped coming up the main straight, and moves to the right slightly to take the racing line for a better T1 entry after the s/f line. There is hardly any space between car 05 on the racing line and the kerb, car 12 just sticks his nose in and realising it's too late, brakes slightly before losing control into car 05, sending us into the barriers.

Car 12 sticks its nose in where there is no space, in a place where no overtake would really work. Car 05 turns to prepare for the right hander, not expecting #12 to be there, and gets pitched into the wall. +30s for Car 12 for causing an avoidable incident.

[dekojester]

Another admin-initiated investigation while reviewing the mpr some:

Lap and replay timecode: Lap 33, 41m30s
Cars Involved: 00 and 09
Brief Description: Car 00 is approaching in the slipstream of Car 09, to lap it. 09 brakes slightly on the racing line, catching 00 off guard. Car 00 and 09 contact, 00 runs into the red/whites at the chicane and goes out of bounds.

Car 09 brakes on the racing line quite a distance back from the braking zone with Car 00 just behind it to let it by. This move is considered a brake test, and if Car 00 was not quick to react, could have lead to a larger incident. The contact 00 makes with 09 is due to him expecting that 09 is far enough back, but can also be attributed to the suddenness of the situation.

Car 09 receives a 1-Lap Penalty for the braking on the racing line - equivalent to a brake checking, also can be considered undue impedance of a blue flagging car. EDIT: Might as well just call it also causing an avoidable incident as well

No penalty will be served to 00, but a caution to all competitors to not be so eager to return to the racing line.

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time 2H 28M 11sec.
Car(s) involved: #04 and #11
Brief description of incident: Car#04 divebombs our car in the corner. And continues to use him to make his way through the turn.

Car 04 brakes late, but as Car 11 turns in, contact is made, and both bang doors throughout the turn. We see no need to issue a time penalty for this, but a WARNING is issued to Car 04 to be less aggressive on overtaking maneuvers.

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27 and #07
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and crashed us in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and made collision in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

The start of Car 27 is not a jump start. He was on the throttle accelerating and then lifted as he caught up to the cars ahead, but just after he lifted was when the green flag came out and he nailed it, taking advantage. This is not a jump start by the letter of the law, as he did not advance his position before the green flag. However, there is a spirit of the rules violation, as we hope that no one would gain advantage from a situation like this. We'll let it get through this time, but we do not wish for someone to get that sort of advantage again and will be amending the rules accordingly to include a penalty for doing such a "jump"

The incident in turn 1 is a divebomb-style maneuver - Car 27 brakes when starting the left hand turn, but then gets back on the accelerator for a short bit before braking again, where other cars around brake at the same place he does and keep slowing constantly. If Car 27 had stayed on the binders when he first got on them, he would have been behind the grouping of cars ahead and clean sailing for himself and others.

The actions led to a major avoidable incident - we are giving the post-race equivalent to a stop-go penalty, 45 seconds added to Car 27's time. Also, driver of Car 27 at the time, z-ro 8 is placed on 90 day probation for all NDR events, which could result in more severe penalties for rule transgressions in that window.

[dekojester]

Administration Initiated Investigation:

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 23 mins 30 replay time, lap 18, final chicane
Car(s) involved: #11, #07
Brief description of incident: #11 unsafely rejoins after spin.

Car #11 accelerates onto the racing line at the last apex of the chicane after a spin. he sees cars coming and stomps on the brakes, but is stopped squarely on the racing path, causing a massive shunt. The other, more logical path for Car 11 to take would have been to reverse onto the short straight between the chicane and the final turn (the car had it's rear end facing the final turn) then turn around in the extra space afforded there.

A 45 second penalty (equivalent to a Stop-Go) is issued for this incident - unsafe rejoin from an incident.

[dekojester]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: 3:00:20-30 replay time, lap 143 (last lap), before final chicane
Car(s) involved: #22, #12
Brief description of incident: #12 pushed #22 on grass which resulted in lose of position.

Car 12 makes an overtake between Cars 22 and 17 on the backstretch. On approach to the chicane, Car 12 is alongside and about 75% ahead of Car 22. Car 12 appears to move right and push #22 off. Car 12 was not actively turning right, the car was drifting to the right, and there was some car jitter observed, perhaps causing the rightward movement impression. We are declaring this a racing incident, but issuing another reminder to competitors to be careful with distances between cars.

[dekojester]

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