Round 1: Race Discussions

[dekojester]

Discuss !

Pre-race and during-race and post-race go in here !

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[ivantod]

what is XRR pace in stint with 24% intake restr. ?

[AstroBoy]

At a guess mid to low 1.11's getting faster as the stint goes on.

[ivantod]

dont guessing give me facts :P

[CELTIC100]

jump on our server RSR GTAL and I believe the XRR GT2 holds top spot at 1.11.11 at the moment Type !top gt2 to get the listings up :)

[andRo.]

Not really, Michal Saidl got 1.10.73 with XRR and K.Kerekes 1.10.9x also with XRR. But these are just from our team, dunno about the rest, since there are quite many practice servers. :shrug: But those times are for qual, not for stint, so I guess mid 1.11's will do or smth. like that.

[ivantod]

i dont give a damn about hotlap,i did 1 10 95 on NDR server,there is it on airio,spb is 1 10 7x i cant remember,with FZR.
I would like to know times from stint.Begining,mid,and end of a stint.

[racer hero]

So why don't you go test it yourself..?

[ivantod]

i'm lazy to do that

[J@tko]

Don't know about the racers, but I'm really looking forward to this. :):)

[Tomhah]

me too :)

[boothy]

Because the bookies have stopped taking bets on whether cars will flip/crash and whether an SC period will be needed?

[three_jump]

Because the bookies have stopped taking bets on whether cars will flip/crash and whether an SC period will be needed?

Do they still take bets about the amount of formation laps?

[tmehlinger]

Do they still take bets about the amount of formation laps?

If the formation laps in R0 were any indication, I certainly hope so :razz:

[z-ro 8]

i dont recall seeing much "formation" in R0......

[GianniC]

I do recall heavy throttle-braking "tyre warming" actions. :(
Leave that out next rounds mkay.

[Drift King CZ]

i'm lazy to do that
Around 11.7-8... after tires get better I think around 11.3-4.
But it matters on what setup do you have and what times can you get, so...

[tmehlinger]

i dont recall seeing much "formation" in R0......

Touché...

On this topic, I have a suggestion. I recall the formation line on BL1R being between the chicane and the final hairpin (or right before the chicane... not sure), maybe it should be after the hairpin. There's a lot of track between the hairpin and the S/F line, so I think there would be more than enough time to form up before the green flag.

More space is better for getting formed up. Trying to get through the final chicane at AS6 in rows of two was pretty hairy.

[MoMo92i]

1.10.78 with FZR last year and 1.10.68 with XRR 24% for one of our member...

[GreyBull [CHA]]

If anyone's interrested, here (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/session/5881/statistics) are the fastest laps of last season's race on this track:thumbsup:

[J@tko]

;1300856']If anyone's interrested, here (http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/session/5881/statistics) are the fastest laps of last season's race on this track:thumbsup:
Oh thanks - I've been looking for the quali times for ages as they're not in the old section. Never thought to look on spdo :D

[luki97]

1st round will be very exciting:D lot of quick drivers, quick cars... MoE3:) (MoE2 - IGTC).

[hyntty]

Oh thanks - I've been looking for the quali times for ages as they're not in the old section. Never thought to look on spdo :D

PLUS ****ING ONE.

You could 'av told me that earlier. Finally found those so4r stats I was looking for - a month ago.

[Foqs]

1st round will be very exciting:D lot of quick drivers, quick cars... MoE3:) (MoE2 - IGTC).

Nah dude, its only GTAL. Few steps behind moe ;)

[niels1]

Ehh guys any of you want some practise ???

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1302601#post1302601

[J@tko]

FYI Guys, the NDR|GTAL server says you need 15kg for the XRR, this is obviously now not the case, however it won't let you join.

Therefore I recommend you use another server [eg Xcite/RSR] to practice if you're in an XRR until I can get d to sort it.

BTW on the Welcome Message for the Xcite server it says you need 25% for XRR - it's set correctly as 24% when you're in ;)

See you later for Q1 :thumbsup:

[z-ro 8]

RSR GTAL Server is open and setup correctly......:D

It is also locked on Qualifying-only, to keep joiners from starting a race whilst you are on your best lap ever :thumb:

Good luck today from RSR Team to all teams making qualifying runs.

Also after Qual session 2 is over, there will be a GTAL-esque fun race on RSR GTAL server.
30 minutes qual starts at 20:30 GMT, followed by a 60 minute stint.

Regards,
K. M.

[J@tko]

FYI Guys, the NDR|GTAL server says you need 15kg for the XRR, this is obviously now not the case, however it won't let you join.

Therefore I recommend you use another server [eg Xcite/RSR] to practice if you're in an XRR until I can get d to sort it.

BTW on the Welcome Message for the Xcite server it says you need 25% for XRR - it's set correctly as 24% when you're in ;)

See you later for Q1 :thumbsup:
All working now :thumb:

[dekojester]

I have permafixed the error with XRR in the NDR|GTAL 2010 server. I thought I had nicked that Sunday in the config file, but I reckon not.

Also, the race will be broadcasted ! It'll be on our livestream page at livestream.com/ndrtv - Wilko and Falke will be there with all the action, starting from just before 1800 UTC. :D

[GianniC]

Also, the race will be broadcasted ! It'll be on our livestream page at livestream.com/ndrtv - Wilko and Falke will be there with all the action, starting from just before 1800 UTC. :D

Public humiliation, yes! :D

:thumb:

[hyntty]

Public humiliation, yes! :D

:thumb:

You seem to know the drill :Looking_a

[MoMo92i]

Is there a link for any tracker? Sorry don't found it :s

[Dharky]

Is there a link for any tracker? Sorry don't found it :s

http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/

[Flingoko]

I just want to say good luck to you all :) Have a good race

[oldnavy]

Good luck to all teams! So far looks very promising!
Good work NDR so far :thumbsup:

[GianniC]

Good luck all, have fun!

PS: Wind sucks :shy:

[Tomhah]

Good luck all, have fun!

PS: Wind sucks :shy:

Oh yeah :P I totally forgot about wind... :P So the car was compleeetely different^^ Had to adjust my braking-points etc in the middle of the race... Not really the best preperation :P

[Flingoko]

I noticed that on the tracker M. Riis is from england? He is from Denmark. If you could change that sometime :) Thanks.

[AstroBoy]

Ok now im calm, Lag incident so all is happy :) I appologize to TDRT for acting to hastily. No hard feelings?

[andRo.]

So, FIRST of all, I have to apologize to EVERYONE about 4 Stroke Racing Team's members attitude and actions in the chat. I couldn't really stop them, I told them to stop, but they didn't listen. So, I'm really sorry to all the teams and people that were involved and had to listen to all that crap. It was all a joke, but it got out of hands too much and in the end it didn't seem to be a joke for me anymore. I HOPE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN! SORRRY!

And about the race,
Well, I really loved watching my team during the first stint. I think we did unexpectedly awesome for us, I wasn't waiting for such a racing from Mike. But all the good things ended quite fast, Mike punctured his tire, and as you all saw he didn't go to pits. Here is the reason why "When SRS crashed, the safety car came out, and said "SAFETY CAR deployed, PITLANE CLOSED!". Mike punctured his tire at the same time as this happened, and he thought he is not allowed to pit, so he did another lap, which caused us to loose very much time and maybe even crash someone. I apologize to everyone that was crashed etc. during that lap. (If there was anyone.)
Well, the hell continued and 2nd stint after the puncture, we went from 1st to 5th, but K.Kerekes accidentally crashed with Ruis Santos (I'm also really sorry that this happened.) Of course we got stuck in the sand and lost ~ 1min until we got out. + the DT after the crash and Core reported us. That also made us loose time, then 3 blue flaggers, who didn't let us pass, crashed us with a lag. And we last ~ 30sec more. The 3rd stint went okay, but Mike was saving his tires for last laps, so they wouldn't puncture again, and we were passed on the last straight, last lap by 2 cars, and went from 12th-14th.

The race was fun, and lots of unlucky moments, but we also had our time to shine. I'm REALLY SORRY to everyone who we caused trouble and problems. And thanks everyone for the +-great race. Congratulations, all the teams that finished and especially Tommy, who got the pole.

See you on track.
Andris

[J@tko]

Here is the reason why "When SRS crashed, the safety car came out, and said "SAFETY CAR deployed, PITLANE CLOSED!".
I'm sorry about that - my fault. I saw that SRS had rolled it, and was wondering why the hell deko hadn't brought out the SC yet, but I was already half way down the pit lane. When I saw him lose connection I quickly stopped the SC, typed in "$pits" and instinctively pressed "Yellow" and "Pits Closed" [as that's what happens with most NDR events], but I then realised that actually the pits don't close in GTAL, so opened them again pronto, then went on my way. But, obviously, this has cost your team so I am very sorry :(

[J@tko]

Deleted the flammable materials in here.

[andRo.]

Thanks, J@tko. And no problem about the SC, as we all say "shit happens." :D
Thanks for the race, organizers.

But next time try to be more careful when you type something, because that's were the hell started for us. :D

[PaulC2K]

Lap and Replay Time (or Race Time if during race, eg, 36m30s in) of incident: Roughly 1 hour 42
Car(s) involved: 13 and 19
Brief description of incident: Car 19 runs into the side of car 13, car 13 starts to spin, then car 19 lags appears in car 13 and hello Wrong route for car 13.

Also props to P.Chapman for avoiding the whole thing :D
I nearly sh@t myself when that happened, on my end all of a sudden there was a car flying past me.... sideways :p

It was about the only thing i did avoid i think, seemed like i had spells of people making minor mistakes (either spinning or having to slow right down to catch the car) right infront of me and me ploughing into them. Half my own stupidity, half no time to react :(

Can't give penalties to the internet.
There goes my protest then, i want my internet banned! :shrug:

[boothy]

Even so, Deko said on the backstraight that the pits were open. And the rules say the pitlane is always open, just the exit closes when Jack comes round in his FZ5.

[andRo.]

Maybe, but when you are first and your tire punctures, you don't read every line what is said, you just see what you see first, and that makes you confused. :shrug:

[Fuse5]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27 and #07
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and crashed us in T1

Egon showed this to me too and I'm simply stunned. Myers speeds past everyone on the straight, blatant jumpstarting and a very surprising divebomb into T1.
I'm aware that GTAL isn't as strict in driving standards as MoE is, but hey, this isn't even acceptable in public servers :|

[hyntty]

But next time try to be more careful when you type something, because that's were the hell started for us. :D

Actually, I've said a 114 million times already, the race control app monitors the pit exit.

[VTiRacing]

Egon showed this to me too and I'm simply stunned. Myers speeds past everyone on the straight, blatant jumpstarting and a very surprising divebomb into T1.
I'm aware that GTAL isn't as strict in driving standards as MoE is, but hey, this isn't even acceptable in public servers :|
Right, it was totally stupid move. :shrug:

[Drift King CZ]

Hi, everyone. Well, I'm kinda known as a failer now, but what ever, it made me a little confused - I mean the PIT CLOSED and PIT OPENED messages in the same time... well, 1st race of this kind ever, so... next time it might be better.

Anyway, I just want to apologize for making troubles with the tire puncture... especially in the S part, when I spun, there was some guy who crashed into me. Really sorry about that.

Just saw the demand. "that's suicide" :D

[J@tko]

On the subject of sorrys, sorry for going a bit too slowly on [amazingly the only] SC period - half of it was driven with less than 15fps, and so I didn't want to go very quickly incase I failed :shy:

[bunder9999]

i didn't want to go very quickly incase i failed :shy:

:d

[CSF]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27 and #07
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and crashed us in T1

WOW what in the name of god was that about. :really: Shocking utterly shocking driving. I hope you get slapped massively.

[hyntty]

Since you started on the sorries, I apologize behalf of a certain protest which puzzled me which delayed all other protests following it. If that hadn't been there we would have been able to handle two other incidents during the race, while now they have to be done post race.

[CSF]

Hope RSR get a severe penalty for that. Horrific horrible disregard for reading of the rules and for fellow competitors.

[AjRose]

Why did Tommy hold up the Field so much?

[Mroziu]

Did anyone read the rules?

First row is obliged to drive on pit limit until green flag.

[CSF]

Why did Tommy hold up the Field so much?

Mis understanding of the rules I think.

Also it wasn't even Tommy thanks to Ken's... errr... yeah :D

[AjRose]

Then why did one of the Admins Say the Leaders may increase speed after the last chicane?


:/

[CSF]

Rules say that they may increase speed gradually until the green flag. The leader paces the field up to the green flag in what ever way he wants.

[CSF]

Grats on being a douche. :thumb:

Pffft yeah nice one resort to name calling when in the wrong. Good on ya!

[AjRose]

Meh, I wish they wouldn't have even said that. More confusing then helpful.


And I'm just following your lead. You don't need to type a "bad" word to insult somebody.

[PaulC2K]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27 and #07
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and crashed us in T1

It looked very bizarre on the Remote, but i got the feeling that it was more a case of him being on the throttle already when the race happened to go green, so he was able to go past everyone. I havent seen the replay to know if that even remotely accurate, but its what i thought had happened.
Doesnt excuse what happened when he got to T1 though.... again, from how it looked on the remote.

[CSF]

Meh, I wish they wouldn't have even said that. More confusing then helpful.


And I'm just following your lead. You don't need to type a "bad" word to insult somebody.

True I guess, sorry. :tilt:

[AjRose]

True I guess, sorry. :tilt:

I'm sorry too. I'll edit my post ;)

[PMD9409]

Watched the start myself, Ken was over pit road speed plus wasn't behind pole sitter... so his penalty is deserved.

Pretty shocking to see the 27 (?) able to jump that much and no one really noticed (ok, so you did). Oh well, penalty will definately be given out me thinks.

I also think the cars need to be much more uniformed, right now everyone is just too random.

[Fuse5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

[racer hero]

The pit lane speed limiter for the start is way too much too slow down too, notice how Tommy was getting rear ended when he slowed down. That is why Kevin was able to jump so much.

[Wilko868]

OK, from what I have just seen on the replay, RSR decided it would be a good idea to drive past a good third of the field before the green flag was waved. This isn't about the speed of Ken and Tommy, but it is about your team's understanding of a rolling start. The first two attatched pictures show your original starting position and then the position of your car when the green flag was waved, 4 places ahead.

The second two attatched pictures show your speed at the waving of the green flag and the car directly to your left's speed (in km/h). Your speed of 185km/h was 37km/h faster than ZION's speed, who should have been 4 places ahead of you to start with!

Coming into the left kink, you were up to 8th, that's now 9 places ahead of your qualifying position, and still 17km/h faster than the car alongside you. As you entered into the right hander, you made a totally un-needed contact with the Lublin car, leading to a chain reaction crash also involving EER and SCP. The impact point is shown in the final picture, and is quite obviously caused by your higher, unlawful speed vs every other car on track.

I think you have some explaining to do, RSR.

EDIT: Know what, read on :razz:

[JayEyeBee]

You should check the stream as well. There are chat 'Green Flag' messages that pop up that do not appear on any of the replays (when I view the backmarkers) I've seen. While I don't dismiss the possibility of a jump start, I really don't think the issue is fully known. The rush to judgement may need to slow down just a bit.

Keep in mind I'm speaking to the jump start issue and not the first turn contact.

[AjRose]

Wilko the Green flag came out before that.

You cannot see it because of the yellow.



I'm can't comment on anything that happened after the S/F line though.

[Wilko868]

You should check the stream as well. There are chat 'Green Flag' messages that pops up that do not appear on any of the replays I've seen. While I don't dismiss the possibility of a jump start, I really don't think the issue is fully known. The rush to judgement may need to slow down just a bit.
If there was a chat message before the green flag, at least one other car would have responded to them....:shrug:

[AjRose]

FYI the green flag flew at Exactly 2:11.41 race time

Edit: Or 2:38.44 replay time.

[PMD9409]

To me he is able to jump by the field because every sped up from 40ish mph to 58mph (watching Tommy's onboard), then slowed back down to 48mph. This stretches everyone out and then as they start to shrink back together the green comes out and 1-2 cars get a massive jump. This happened and Kev was the lucky one with the big jump. The penalty will be for T1 for sure (imo).

Anyways... I'll shutup and let admins do their job. :)


EDIT: Wilko, pause when Tommy/Ken get green flag, then drop back to RSR.

[pit3k]

Lap 5 (4 racing) 7:05 on the replay. Car 06 just hits us in the middle of the final turn ruining our race. Complete idiot. Have a nice penalty.
I'm very sorry for ruining your race guys :(

I can only say how it looked from the driver's point of view: I was catching you, I was having a good line exiting last turn, as usual, and I was hoping to get a nice slipstream after exit and try to overtake you on the straight. However you exited the corner much slower than I anticipated, but when I realized that and did brake, it was too late, as I've already touched you.

Sorry again, I know it really sucks when you loose so much time without any fault from your side :(

[Wilko868]

EDIT: Wilko, pause when Tommy/Ken get green flag, then drop back to RSR.

That makes no sense at all! :razz:

Looking at that, I think Kevin has seen the chat message and acted upon it, and the yellow flag has blocked out the large green flag message. However, it is strange that no-one else has acted upon the chat message.....

You've made me think now, Phil! :D

[bunder9999]

Looking at that, I think Kevin has seen the chat message and acted upon it, and the yellow flag has blocked out the large green flag message. However, it is strange that no-one else has acted upon the chat message.....

You've made me think now, Phil! :D

i didn't see the replay, but i did see the youtube video and the stream... did anyone else notice that the green flag wasn't on the youtube video? maybe they didn't act on it because nobody saw it, and it was conveyed by someone watching the stream... :shrug:

[Tomhah]

The start was horrible. We were completely out of order. I agree with Kenneth. Pit lane speed felt extremely slow. I was in 90 km/t, and realised I was over, so I put on the pit-speed limiter. Kenneth does not, and doesnt even wait for me :P imo, the greenflag could have come a bit later, or we could simply done one more lap :P I know its easy to say now, after the heat of the moment. I dont blame the admins for their work. Im really happy for all the effort and time they are putting into this, so dont get me wrong :)

:P

[Wilko868]

i didn't see the replay, but i did see the youtube video and the stream... did anyone else notice that the green flag wasn't on the youtube video? maybe they didn't act on it because nobody saw it, and it was conveyed by someone watching the stream... :shrug:
It's a possibility. The fact that I was watching the lead car on stream would give me the accurate green flag for the leader. But it is whether all the drivers at the back of the pack got the chat message as the green was waved for Tommy, and that is something very hard to prove.

[PMD9409]

That makes no sense at all! :razz:

Looking at that, I think Kevin has seen the chat message and acted upon it, and the yellow flag has blocked out the large green flag message. However, it is strange that no-one else has acted upon the chat message.....

You've made me think now, Phil! :D

NOOB!

He could of been told on vent, we've done that for IGTC/MoE before.

@Tommy: I also think it should of been thrown later, the field would of been much more organized probably too.

[bunder9999]

I didnt drive in the race, but watched your video and IMO this should be a DQ for #27, totally unnecessary...

Seems like they also didnt read the rules.

if you haven't read the discussion thread, there might be a discrepancy around the green flag being waved. :shrug:

[Wilko868]

NOOB!

He could of been told on vent, we've done that for IGTC/MoE before.

@Tommy: I also think it should of been thrown later, the field would of been much more organized probably too.
Yeah, but with the average stream being a good...........6 or 7 seconds delayed from on server action, it's probably more reliable to wait for it to show up, no?

[boothy]

The green flag was waved at 2:11.34 on the race clock, and at that time #27 hadn't overtaken anyone.

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Messages are shown on remote no?

[ivantod]

The green flag was waved at 2:11.34 on the race clock, and at that time #27 hadn't overtaken anyone.
138 kmh on 2:11:34

Is this ok???

[AjRose]

Everyone that far back was doing that speed. They were trying to close the gap.

Would you have left a big gap if you were that far back?

The leaders were slowing down and the Green flag flew to early. Blame cannot be put on him for this.

[Drift King CZ]

I was in 90 km/t, and realised I was over, so I put on the pit-speed limiter. Kenneth does not, and doesnt even wait for me :P

Is this the reason why CoRe got the drive-through pitlane penalty?
EDIT: O, ye, it was. Forgot to check protests.

[pik_d]

Everyone that far back was doing that speed. They were trying to close the gap.
This is true, the start was a total failure. One of my teammates on Ventrilo said "They have to waive this start off... oh I guess not..."

I was doing the same speed as RSR but had to slow because I had CD in front of me (who I should have been beside of, but if I had done that I'd have been rear ended by RSR) slowing a bit since they finally caught the grid.

Here is the appropriate rule:


VIII. Race Procedures
3.The race shall be started with a double-file rolling start after one lap behind the Safety Car. Drivers are to remain in single-file formation until the last sector where all tyre warming activities are to stop and teams are to get into double file. The front row must be on the pitlane speedlimiter from a marked point. The rest of the field shall hold approximately pitlane speed until the green flag flies. The pole-sitting team may choose to start from the right or left of track, prior to grid setting.

The entire back of the field was desperately trying to get caught up in formation but didn't have any time to. Blackwoods front straight is pretty short and there's not really much that could have been done here. RSR didn't plan to get the advantage they got but they definitely were not close enough to those in front to get caught up like everyone else did.

[Flingoko]

isnt there a rule: "no overtaking before you cross the finish line" or something like that. That would solve the problem^^

[ivantod]

Would you have left a big gap if you were that far back?


So,it is ok to leave the big gap if u r far back and then right before start to close that gap and to start +40 kmh then others?

[PMD9409]

Technically he did nothing wrong. He got a lucky break by the green flying at just the right time and took advantage of it. I don't think he 'timed' it by any means, as you see him start to slow down when catching the cars in front, then as the green comes out he accelerates.

He took advantage of an open opportunity and didn't break a rule doing it (I think at least).

T1 is a different story though...

@Ivan: That would be lagging back, which I'm sure isn't allowed. RSR didn't lag back, its just a slow corner before the front straight that screws everything up.

[aroX123]

Technically he did nothing wrong. He got a lucky break by the green flying at just the right time and took advantage of it.

He was way faster than everyone else, thats like a drag race of a dragster vs a plane, their both at the starting line waiting for the green flag, but the dragster is doing 0 km/h, the plane 853,4 km/h

The plane won, but how?
"Well, He got a lucky break by the green flying at just the right time and took advantage of it."

[PMD9409]

He was way faster than everyone else, thats like a drag race of a dragster vs a plane, their both at the starting line waiting for the green flag, but the dragster is doing 0 km/h, the plane 853,4 km/h

The plane won, but how?
"Well, He got a lucky break by the green flying at just the right time and took advantage of it."

Penalize every car going faster than pit road speed (same speed as leader) then if you use that comparison.

[boothy]

He was way faster than everyone else, thats like a drag race of a dragster vs a plane, their both at the starting line waiting for the green flag, but the dragster is doing 0 km/h, the plane 853,4 km/h

The plane won, but how?
"Well, He got a lucky break by the green flying at just the right time and took advantage of it."

I've seen chocolate teapots more useful than this post.

[fadeaway]

Originally Posted by ivantod
Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and made collision in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

This was un(f*)believable :Looking_a That happens when you give tank to wrong hands :)

As for our race, our drivers wheel failed, so he flipped trying to fix it. Funny stuff :tilt: Sorry if we caused problems for other drivers :schwitz:

[z-ro 8]

Firstly, I would like to apologize to #02 and #07. The ONLY reason i made contact was because i was concentrating more on the #22 which did not see me coming inside, including his contact.

As for the start, i got lucky.

As per the rules, i stayed single file up to the last section, avoiding going side-by-side in the chicane, as was requested in the practice race.
In the last turn #23 was a lane too high, so i was way outside.
Keeping in mind that at 2:01 Race Control chatted "Double up after last turn", I accelerated (somewhat suffering from turbo lag). At 2:39 as i was nearing my position next to #23,i applied the brakes, and just after i saw GREEN FLAG in chat, therefore the race began (for those who refuse to read the rules, once the green flag flies, game-on: no need to wait till after you pass the s/f line). No intentional hanging back, no screwing with the field to gain an advantage.
After the GREEN was thrown, there were several cars bunched up on the left side of the track, some hitting the brakes. Not my problem, noone on outside ahead of me.

IMO the start never should have happened. If the rules state side-by-side starts, then i suggest everyone go back and check the entire field at the point in which the green was thrown. There is one row out of 14 that is technically "side-by-side", two others that are somewhat close. It's not really that i got a good start, it's the fact that most of the field got a shitty start.

Turn one is my responsibility. My mistake i have apologized for it. Several times. Remember the what the "A" in GTAL stands for.....

Honestly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the bullshit i've read in this and the protest thread is unbef**kinleivable. A Youtube video? C'mon.
4SRT, two words: LFS Remote.

When a penalty is issued for turn one, I will accept it without prejudice.
The flaming on the other hand.....


Regards,
K. Myers
RSR.havoc

[ivantod]

Firstly, I would like to apologize to #02 and #07.
Do u apologize to # 04 ?

Remember the what the "A" in GTAL stands for.....

A stands for win in first corner? :P

[z-ro 8]

Do u apologize to # 04 ?



A stands for win in first corner? :P

Although i made zero contact with you, and your spin seemed to be a result of a downshift, sure, i'm sorry.

And i hope you also are sorry for nearly running me off just before the chicane after the longstraight(@49.13).......but that's long since forgotten, along with the other contact made throughout the race.

[ivantod]

Apology accepted.

[skstibi]

Lap and Replay Time 2H 28M 11sec.
Car(s) involved: #04 and #11
Brief description of incident: Car#04 divebombs our car in the corner. And continues to use him to make his way through the turn.

Car #4 needs attitude adjustment.
If you watch car #4 and #14 lap 35 time right at 44min 30sec there is a prime example. Divebomb and if someone is there, there is contact. I got pushed into a wall and lost quite a bit of time due to damage.

I did not think much of it until the above post was made so I looked at my replay and found it was the same person.

Edit: On lap 36 time: 45min 15sec. Car#4 comes out of the corner and runs straight into the side of car#27. I was not looking for that in my replay, I just ran across it.

[pik_d]

i dont recall seeing much "formation" in R0......
Oh how history repeats itself... :(

I would also like to say that some people should get a bit more practice in before trying to race. oldnavy and fabiansaad. Most of the people seems pretty well prepared though, not quite as "amateur" as I expected. Only one SC? good going guys. :D

[Drift King CZ]

Firstly, I would like to apologize to #02 and #07. The ONLY reason i made contact was because i was concentrating more on the #22 which did not see me coming inside, including his contact.

As for the start, i got lucky.

As per the rules, i stayed single file up to the last section, avoiding going side-by-side in the chicane, as was requested in the practice race.
In the last turn #23 was a lane too high, so i was way outside.
Keeping in mind that at 2:01 Race Control chatted "Double up after last turn", I accelerated (somewhat suffering from turbo lag). At 2:39 as i was nearing my position next to #23,i applied the brakes, and just after i saw GREEN FLAG in chat, therefore the race began (for those who refuse to read the rules, once the green flag flies, game-on: no need to wait till after you pass the s/f line). No intentional hanging back, no screwing with the field to gain an advantage.
After the GREEN was thrown, there were several cars bunched up on the left side of the track, some hitting the brakes. Not my problem, noone on outside ahead of me.

IMO the start never should have happened. If the rules state side-by-side starts, then i suggest everyone go back and check the entire field at the point in which the green was thrown. There is one row out of 14 that is technically "side-by-side", two others that are somewhat close. It's not really that i got a good start, it's the fact that most of the field got a shitty start.

Turn one is my responsibility. My mistake i have apologized for it. Several times. Remember the what the "A" in GTAL stands for.....

Honestly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the bullshit i've read in this and the protest thread is unbef**kinleivable. A Youtube video? C'mon.
4SRT, two words: LFS Remote.

When a penalty is issued for turn one, I will accept it without prejudice.
The flaming on the other hand.....


Regards,
K. Myers
RSR.havoc

Oh c'mon... 22 (me) saw you comming, but you came there like on the last moment... You just had to pass everyone on 1st corner, didn't you? ... I don't understand how can you say something like this even after watching the video.

EDIT: I react in this way because it sounds to me like you're saying that's me on the blame.

[niels1]

Do u apologize to # 04 ?

A stands for win in first corner? :P

Hmmm I watch the start now about 100 times. I dont see why Kev would apologize to you because you shifted back in 2nd gear. There is nothing Kev could have done about that. He didnt touch you at all. You made that mistake. Not Kev. And if you be objective about that youll see that people crashing after that came because of you. You ended up in the middle of the track. The crash Kev made was concernig car 02 and car 07. Car 02 cought it and went on his way. As car 07 concerned he went of on the left side on the track with the nose of the car in the right direction not being in the way of any cars around him. You on the other by shifting down from 3rd to 2nd which wasnt necesarry at all had too much torgue at the rear wheels which made the car spin. By doing that you turned around right with your nose pointing the other direction. Pointing towards the upcoming traffic.

Now as a good guy Kev is he apologized to you for nothing. You made that spin not Kev.

And on another note that Kev made were you used your car 04 as a break maker on several cars on track. Look at the reports for instance or at the post skstibi made several down here. :shrug: So your judging Kev for something you have doing the complete race. :shrug:

As far as the dive bomb Kev made he will need to clarify himself for the Grand Stand RSR judge concerning his actions at T1 :really:. That was totally unnecesarry and he will be punished for that :nod:. Probably a old whoop and spanking will do the trick. So if you dont see Kev driving it will be because he cant sit down for a while :razz:

[andRo.]

4SRT, two words: LFS Remote.


2 small questions. What do you mean by that? + why 4SRT just came up from nowhere? :D Sorry, I read the whole page quite quickly, so I might have skipped some lines, but I really didn't understand what you mean.

[N!ghtm@re]

Lap and Replay Time of incident: lap 1 and 2
Car(s) involved: #27
Brief description of incident: car #27 did a jumpstart and made collision in T1
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQGt-Z0BEU

o man this guy should be banned......

[livefornow]

Sorry if this is off topic, but when can we expect results from you guys. Thanks

Ben

[dekojester]

Sorry if this is off topic, but when can we expect results from you guys. Thanks

Ben

Provisional results are in tracker, http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com

Official results will be out generally 5-7 days later, following resolution of protests and verification of everything. 5-7 is the goal, may be more if the round was a mess or less if it was a cakewalk.

[Scott Mckenzie]

I'm sure the results will come in a couple of days after the protests etc have been sorted out. ;)

I watched some of the racing on the stream. It was a very interesting race, start was abit iffy but thats just the way it is sometimes, I think with the double file rolling start these problems will always occur, hopefully less as the series progresses.

Regarding the RSR incident, well turn one was abit stupid, but unintentional mistakes do happen (my stupid rejoin in test race for example). RSR are a very good team and the driver Myers has always showed good consistent pace. A moment of madness should not be held against them, hopefully we can all move on from this now.

Congrats to T7R for the win and a big thanks and well done to the NDR team.

[niels1]

o man this guy should be banned......

So you see a video and totally not kwoning what your on about.
If you dont know what youre on about keep your comments to yourself.
Or read up in this thread.

What a idiotic remark. Childisch

[Cawwa]

Sugested change in the rolling start rules:
VIII. Race Procedures
3.The race shall be started with a double-file rolling start after one lap behind the Safety Car. Drivers are to remain in single-file formation until the last sector where all tyre warming activities are to stop and teams are to get into double file and the front row must be on the pitlane speedlimiter until the marked point. When the front row have passed the marked point they release the pitlimiter and slowly accelerate waiting for the green. The rest of the field follow the front row until the green flag flies. The pole-sitting team may choose to start from the right or left of track, prior to grid setting.

I also suggest the following: No passes in the same file is allowed before the start/finish line.

About the discussion about #27:
He tryes to catch the field after last turn. When he catches the field the green goes and he just continue in his good speed. Imho he does nothing wrong acording to the rules as they are now. (the T1 accident is another story here, I guess Kev got to eager ... :D)
What courses this unfair situation is the rules themselves who force the front row to go on pitlimiter this close to the green flag. It should be the other way around. The front row should have the advantage to descide when to go. As it was now they got the disadvantage.

But as the 7karat driver points out, nothing could happen if passing wasn't allowed before the s/f line. (Nascar style)

[livefornow]

Can i ask with Tracker it shows we finished 19th but it was 18th, is this just me being silly or is there a mistake there?

[ivantod]

Car #4 needs attitude adjustment.
If you watch car #4 and #14 lap 35 time right at 44min 30sec there is a prime example. Divebomb and if someone is there, there is contact. I got pushed into a wall and lost quite a bit of time due to damage.

Lap 34
42:47:88
I pwn you in last turn.
Lap 35
44:02:19
I did it again,but no u turn IN me.Your fault.

Edit: On lap 36 time: 45min 15sec. Car#4 comes out of the corner and runs straight into the side of car#27. I was not looking for that in my replay, I just ran across it.
45:15 sec here is screenshot from game.What happend here?

[hyntty]

Can i ask with Tracker it shows we finished 19th but it was 18th, is this just me being silly or is there a mistake there?

Someone timed out.

[StableX]

I've left it until now to say anything and have just watched the replay. As has been said by PMD and a few others, everything that is at fault seems to stem from the race being started when the grid was not lined up properly. There is no way, based on the way the grid was lined up that the race should have been started and green flagged in chat.

There should have been an extra rolling lap until the drivers bunched up properly!

Everything stems from that poor decision to start the race, even though drivers were not even around the last bend fully!

[ivantod]

Lap and Replay Time 2H 28M 11sec.
Car(s) involved: #04 and #11
Brief description of incident: Car#04 divebombs our car in the corner. And continues to use him to make his way through the turn.
You should be aware that I am inside.

[luki97]

Someone timed out.

Its Lublin Racing Team :D
So i tell our version... Pietter starts from 3rd and he's computer from nowhere starts working pretty bad 1st lap 40-50FPS 30, 20, 15 and shut down... so thats why we lost our places after start, from 3dr to 9th with slide show. and then DC then i must go into the server and i dont have all skins so its downloading for 30-40 seconds.... ;/ so thats why we have -2 laps... totally unfortunately race for us because we have a hope for a very good result in this race after that good quali but this is endurance race and you win with a team and lose with team too... and finally 15th i think from tracker.

Gratz to Triple 7 Racing, you guys are doing good job there;)

[niels1]

Lap 34
...................... 45:15 sec here is screenshot from game.What happend here?


Me too, seeing nothing wrong there. They are fighting for positions but thats it.

[ivantod]

Hmmm I watch the start now about 100 times. I dont see why Kev would apologize to you because you shifted back in 2nd gear. There is nothing Kev could have done about that.

Don't act like a bunch of retards please.

Think about it.Why i downshift to 2nd gear?

[hyntty]

Please, keep it civilized with the insults.

[StableX]

Please, keep it civilized with the insults.

Timo, you spin me RIGHT ROUND (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCiVXigrjjQ) ;)

[niels1]

Don't act like a bunch of retards please.

Think about it.Why i downshift to 2nd gear?

Because at 2:25;20 when turned in for the corner you applied throttle. At that point Kev already was breaking. SO you gave more throtlle knowing people break at that point. Then at 2:25:89 you still didnt break which leaves you no other choice then to shift backwards. At that point you almost right up Kev bump.

So not Kevs fault you applied throttle on a corner seeing people break. thats your choice :shrug:

edit ; I leave it at this.

[CELTIC100]

Don't act like a bunch of retards please.

Think about it.Why i downshift to 2nd gear?

Still Not Kev's fault it was a hamfisted downshift :shrug:

[ivantod]

Protest, Pre-Lap One
Against: Organiser
Reason: Starting Race when grid was not lined up in accordance with the rules.
rofl:monkey:

[P1lot]

Forgive me if I've missed some important reason for double file, but wouldn't rolling starts be easier with single file instead? If you're only watching the car in front (instead of also having to watch to the side) then your position is more defined. Still have staggering, but not overlap maybe.

[J@tko]

Protest, Pre-Lap One
Against: Organiser
Reason: Starting Race when grid was not lined up in accordance with the rules.
Deko did say that he was going to abort the start and go around again, but a) didn't really want to and b) next time around it probably wouldn't be any better. Getting in and staying in a formation through S3 there is very hard tbh :)

EDIT: And I'm not sure a 30s penalty to deko would affect the results... :P

[ivantod]

i cant wait to see how many members of RSR will post here and attack me,only because they want to disguise that dirty trick on start.

[StableX]

EDIT: And I'm not sure a 30s penalty to deko would affect the results... :P

well, if Deko had a 30 second penalty, that would have delayed the start and all the trouble that has come of the start error could have been avoided ;)

:)

[J@tko]

well, if Deko had a 30 second penalty, that would have delayed the start and all the trouble that has come of the start error could have been avoided ;)

:)
Good one :D

Back on-topic [ish]. We're in the process of reviewing the protests, and thus the results of them should be out soon-ish [today/tomorrow/Tuesday]. We can then add them up onto the tracker and give out the final results :)

[CELTIC100]

i cant wait to see how many members of RSR will post here and attack me,only because they want to disguise that dirty trick on start.


Now your just letting yourself down now, read your own posts before accusation of RSR attacking you. if you feel that way we apologise.

I'll leave it at that.

[StableX]

Good one :D

Back on-topic [ish]. We're in the process of reviewing the protests, and thus the results of them should be out soon-ish [today/tomorrow/Tuesday]. We can then add them up onto the tracker and give out the final results :)

thanks mate :)

[phoenixIlooka]

D1ggA;1309246']Lap and Replay Time of incident: 2nd Lap, first corner of the real race!
Car(s) involved: n!faculty #21, RAPTOR-RACING #08

In T1 after green flag #21 gives us a hard bump. J. Wand crashes into the wall on the outside and our race is in fact over, cause after the needed pitstop we are last with almost a lap behind. We had no chance to continue with that damage.

The car #08 already made a mistake when braking into T1 and turned away left side without our action. The bump was not intended but also nearly not avoidable, cause all around there were other cars..
I am really sorry for that incident, but in fact of your driver doing the first, initiating failure I didn't want to risk bringing the other drivers on track in danger...

[Ki-Men]

This is nice.
First the car 27 accelerate to early and pass the half field and made colision in T1.:shy:
My teammate was downshift and spin to awoid another collision with car 27 and other cars , because after collision car 27 who was ahead him was lost hes speed to 80 km/h on place all others draiwing 130.
After that , teammates of car 27 is comming here to "explain" that is not thrue :Looking_a .

Wery , wery nice ended.

[StableX]

and now for something completely different ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5awDdwwXPzg)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Forgive me if I've missed some important reason for double file, but wouldn't rolling starts be easier with single file instead? If you're only watching the car in front (instead of also having to watch to the side) then your position is more defined. Still have staggering, but not overlap maybe.

Tradition perhaps? I can't find any real life endurance series having single file starts. Of course it'd be way safer, but then we could also forbid overtaking manoevers for the sake of security too:) Or do the full race under SC:tilt:

[Fuse5]

car 27 downshifted and spun to avoid contact? :Looking_a
gtAl spirit :thumb:

[ivantod]

Now your just letting yourself down now, read your own posts before accusation of RSR attacking you. if you feel that way we apologise.

I'll leave it at that.
If u take a piece of sh*t and wrap it in chocolate foil wrapper,that piece of s*it still wont be a chocolate,so lets stop this nonsense.

[luki97]

gtAl spirit :thumb:

Its only 1st round of 7 so probably we have more things to see:D

[Ki-Men]

car 27 downshifted and spun to avoid contact? :Looking_a
gtAl spirit :thumb:
Good joke :smileypul

[bunder9999]

If u take a piece of sh*t and wrap it in chocolate foil wrapper,that piece of s*it still wont be a chocolate,so lets stop this nonsense.

you're the one spouting non-sense... it's already been determined that the green flag was waved early, and nobody realized it except for a few people... :shrug:

[niels1]

i cant wait to see how many members of RSR will post here and attack me,only because they want to disguise that dirty trick on start.


I am not attacking you at all. All I did was saying he shouldnt be apologizing to you at all. But as a gentlemen he is he did just because you asked him.


This is nice.
First the car 27 accelerate to early and pass the half field and made colision in T1.:shy:
My teammate was downshift and spin to awoid another collision with car 27 and other cars , because after collision car 27 who was ahead him was lost hes speed to 80 km/h on place all others draiwing 130.
After that , teammates of car 27 is comming here to "explain" that is not thrue :Looking_a .

Wery , wery nice ended.

That trick or whatever everyone is calling is up to the admins. I am not defeding or hidding that at all. Who thinks that RSR is hidding that is wrong we just dont see the point discussing it because the admins havent replied on that. Also didnt I say that T1 was Kev`s fault to begin with ?. That was a nasty stupid move no doubt about it. But he already said that himselfs aswell. I leave that to the admins what penalty it will bring.

I expland the misshift from youre teammate here below. He applied throttle were there was aboslutly no reason to apply throttle at that point with so many cars around. Why is that Kevs fault to begin with ?. Your teammate applied the throttle at that point now didnt he ?. Or is that Kevs fault aswell because your teammate applied the throttle in a place were allother cars are breaking ?. Off course he had to down shift and avoid a collision but if he applied the break there instead of the throttle he wouldnt be spun out at all. Dont just blaim everything on kev. Look at the replay and stated times I have said in another post.


So for the record we are not covering up any mistale Kev made at the start. If the admins decide he was fault with the start so be it. If he get a penalty for that incident on T1, well he knew it was coming.

[J@tko]

Forgive me if I've missed some important reason for double file, but wouldn't rolling starts be easier with single file instead? If you're only watching the car in front (instead of also having to watch to the side) then your position is more defined. Still have staggering, but not overlap maybe.

Normally I would agree in having something "easier" over something "realistic", but IGTC and MoE both have rolling starts, so we really should too so that people get the "practice".

and now for something completely different ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5awDdwwXPzg)

LOL. :D

;1309277']Tradition perhaps? I can't find any real life endurance series having single file starts. Of course it'd be way safer, but then we could also forbid overtaking manoevers for the sake of security too:) Or do the full race under SC:tilt:

Full race under SC sounds a tad dull :tilt:

If u take a piece of sh*t and wrap it in chocolate foil wrapper,that piece of s*it still wont be a chocolate,so lets stop this nonsense.
Gee, thanks for that gem of information.

[Ki-Men]

niels1
I was learning in last weaks more abaut the rules.
My teamate feal that the car 27 is quilty for his spun , akording the GTAL rules X.4
4.If you are involved in an incident with another car(s) and you feel that it was caused by another competitor, you may file a complaint in the thread specified for such in the LFS Forums. A format for appeals will be provided in the thread.
he has right to made his complain and the judges is to decide what is true and what not.

[JayEyeBee]

You should be aware that I am inside.

Another screenshot where 11 is turning in, 04 is not and there is no overlap.

I would have been happy to accept whatever decision an adjudicator will make, without comment. Clearly this incident is not as clear as some of the other moves during the race, but we think a review is in order. You seem to be angry that you've been protested. Don't be, it's not personal. It's maneuver on the track we're protesting, not the person behind the wheel.

Jonathan

[ivantod]

Off course he had to down shift and avoid a collision but if he applied the break there instead of the throttle he wouldnt be spun out at all.

I would regain control after that downshift,but i had gently but slightly touch with #22,and then i spin.
Why #22 was there on my left?Because #27 push him left in T1.
Coming into the left kink, you were up to 8th, that's now 9 places ahead of your qualifying position, and still 17km/h faster than the car alongside you. As you entered into the right hander, you made a totally un-needed contact with the Lublin car, leading to a chain reaction crash also involving EER and SCP. The impact point is shown in the final picture, and is quite obviously caused by your higher, unlawful speed vs every other car on track.

What did i see when i was there.
Start.We are approaching T1.In the middle of nowhere,FXR is flying beside me,jumping on the curbs,where 3-4 cars were.I saw that some sh*t is gonna happend.Brake,downshift,wind in that corner,slightly touch with XRR and spin.

[[FAR]D1ggA]

The car #08 already made a mistake when braking into T1 and turned away left side without our action. The bump was not intended but also nearly not avoidable, cause all around there were other cars..
I am really sorry for that incident, but in fact of your driver doing the first, initiating failure I didn't want to risk bringing the other drivers on track in danger...

tjere was a little drift but not so much, that it could take us off track and if you see the little mistake you can slow down a little... but anyways. we wait for race marshalls to decide^^

[ivantod]

I am not angry at all.
I had faster entry speed for that corner.I was there.#11 brake too early.If he give me few inches room,we would pass together,and he will be on throtlle before me,and he will be in front of me after that turn.You cant act like that i wasnt there,and holding some racing lines through the corner like you are alone on the track.

It's maneuver on the track we're protesting, not the person behind the wheel.


Well,person behind the wheel is actually doing all maneuvres :P

[GianniC]

Started 18th. The start was messy. The double file didn't work well due to short last line; while front cars started speeding up, the backmarkers were still getting into two lines. And when in the back we somewhat were in two lines, the green flag waved. I also had a sort of "jumpstart", not as impressive as SRS's start but I also gained 3 places on the straight alone, simply by starting to speed up when green flag was waved. That's what you get for reading and understanding the rules :p. Some spins in turn 1, closely avoided a car standing with it's nose in front of me. All going nice until turn 2... The wind was ****ing annoying. Was 15th on that moment.

My tyres were still a bit cold, didn't really warmed them up in that SC lap as I was being careful on the speeding-slowing down traffic in front (how hard is it to just drive the same speed...) and wanted to avoid the misshap as I experienced in Round 0. Got turn 2 a lot wrong because of that wind, tryed to push a bit more elsewhere on the track but it never worked out. Made one nice pass in the chikane, gained another spot as a car spun in the last turn by going on the grass. 12th position at this moment. Tyres got hot because of that and I started to lose places (not only by being slow but also by being hit two times by others, not very mint...), from 18th to 12th and back to 24th. I obviously could not get into my pace, not sure why... maybe the nerves, not enough experience with the car or other. It just all felt bad and obviously went bad. Also spun it once for giving too nicely a blue flag passage and getting for a bit into the grass. For the rest the race was okay. Shame of Paul his disconnects, we could have ended more midfield without those, oh well. Paul did a good job with little preparation, thanks for that Paul.

I do hate the S2 Blackwood GP.
The S1 Blackwood GP was so nice, this one is horrible. :shrug:

Lets move on to Round 2. Thanks NDR for hosting and broadcast, good job as usual. I hope in Round 2 we can have a better start with a nice double lined up grid and that we have no wind in the race. Also; NO CHAT was given when the grid was being set up, yet lots of people chatted... no penalty. I have no objection at all to these harsh and little detail rules, in fact I love them (unlike Paul :p), but go through with the penalties and keep everything fair and open for all. Saying that there won't be a penalty now because it's Round 1 is nonsense to me, we had the testrace for a reason!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1_2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1_3.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1_4.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1_5.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/GTAL_round1_6.png

[ivantod]

GianniC ,something is wrong on picture GTAL_round1_4.png:pillepall
Nice picture :razz:

[GianniC]

GianniC ,something is wrong on picture GTAL_round1_4.png:pillepall
Yeah, my mirror is full black. Going to have to find out how to get image in it again, damn resetted LFS options.

[need]

You should be aware that I am inside.

“Any Measure of Overlap” is defined as the front of the overtaking car being level
with or beyond the rear quarter-panel of the overtaken car (for tin-tops) or rear wheel
(for single-seaters).

Now at which point, "before," #11 turned in to the corner, had you achieved overlap?

[ivantod]

Let admins to do their job and to decide,ok?
I saw empty space there,and decide to go there.Admins will decide about that appeal.

[need]

Oh I'm all for the Admins making the decisions. It's several people on here, who seem to be arguing over protests that have be made.
Why not let the protests be made, and not comment on them, and as said, let the Admins make their decisions. If you really want to 'discuss' protests that have been made, discuss them privately with the team/teams involved.

[Ki-Men]

Yeah, my mirror is full black. Going to have to find out how to get image in it again, damn resetted LFS options.
LFS - options - wiew- mirrors - show all (I think)

[ivantod]

Freedom of speech !!! :D

[J@tko]

Please remember that
a) This is R1
and
b) This is an "amateur" league.

Thus don't expect perfect driving from everyone, incidents will happen, so don't protest every single little incident. Make sure YOU check the replay before making a protest. Of course, I'm not saying there won't be incidents that need protesting and/or deserve a penalty from us, but reporting someone just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and put you in the gravel, even though it wasn't their fault, isn't fair on us, them, nor is very sportsman-like.

Overall, I thought the driving standard was pretty good out there. There were only a few "ZOMG WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" moments, a handful of "oops" moments, probably exacerbated by the tight, short circuit.

I spoke to a couple of the drivers last night after the race, they said the lapped cars were generally very well behaved, although a couple were a "little hard to pass" ;) Just remember not to do any sudden movements, keep your line and let the faster car through. :)

[de Souza]

I also had a sort of "jumpstart", not as impressive as SRS's start but I also gained 3 places on the straight alone

If I jump started how did I ended up in last? :P

In fact it was so weird back there, I was closing in the chicane, everyone was scattered and going full throttle, I was like "well after the chicane/last corner I guess we'll do the starting formation" when suddenly it was green flag. :confused:

Judging by your qualify time I was kinda looking forward to meeting you on track Gianni, but my race was terrible as you all know. Did an ok first 40mins (slow but consistent), but then all hell broke loose culminating on my flip as Ken lapped me for the second time. Poor James didn't even get to race. :(

Thanks to AstroBoy for racing with me most of the time, I would have slept if you weren't there. :thumb:

[Drift King CZ]

What if I am a lapped car and in a front of me is car which is one lap ahead. Can I pass, if I'm fast enough?

[need]

I think the general rule would be:
If your fast enough to pass and pull away, then yes. Go ahead and unlap yourself.

[J@tko]

What if I am a lapped car and in a front of me is car which is one lap ahead. Can I pass, if I'm fast enough?
Yes, as long as you don't obstruct that car and actually are faster so that you don't have to blue flag them again :)

[Ki-Men]

Another screenshot where 11 is turning in, 04 is not and there is no overlap.

I would have been happy to accept whatever decision an adjudicator will make, without comment. Clearly this incident is not as clear as some of the other moves during the race, but we think a review is in order. You seem to be angry that you've been protested. Don't be, it's not personal. It's maneuver on the track we're protesting, not the person behind the wheel.

Jonathan

KHM KHM ...so few images

[GianniC]

Thanks Ki-Men.

Judging by your qualify time I was kinda looking forward to meeting you on track Gianni, but my race was terrible as you all know.

See you next race. :smileypul

[Drift King CZ]

:)

And also about the starting procedure. It didn't really work perfectly on Blackwood, because the finish straight is just too short... the rest of field was still somewhere in or before last corner and then they speeded up to shorten the gap. But in the moment there was green flag and so they had highed speed than cars in lead. Maybe the limiter should be turned on earlier?

At last, I want to apologise for my "taking back" procedure while the safety car was deployed. Fortunately, I was told to don't pass. I read the rules, but somehow forgot that part. Well, this was my first race of this kind ever and I didn't really race much till now, so this was a good experience in the way I learnt something :shy:. But we could fight for the top 3 if there wouldn't be the accident.

Sorry about my English.

[sjoblom]

Sugested change in the rolling start rules:
VIII. Race Procedures
... and the front row must be on the pitlane speedlimiter until the marked point. When the front row have passed the marked point they release the pitlimiter and slowly accelerate waiting for the green.
...
I also suggest the following: No passes in the same file is allowed before the start/finish line.
...
The front row should have the advantage to descide when to go. As it was now they got the disadvantage.
But as the 7karat driver points out, nothing could happen if passing wasn't allowed before the s/f line. (Nascar style)

Agree 100% with my teammate Cawwa! :thumb:

I also think the greenflag should be "shouted out" in the chat so there's no room for misunderstandings or "hidden green flag behind a yellow flag"

Watching the replay I also noticed there were a lot of confusion regarding the SC. I can't see any notice on the screen stating the race is under SC conditions .. or is that screenmsg not visible in the replay? :pillepall
There were a lot of confusions at the back of the safety car, when cars catching up the line-up started to pass them, not realising SC was at the very begininning of the line up!

Hopefully IRM will get a chance to compete with u guys already in the league, we're still on waiting list ... :eclipsee_

[J@tko]

Agree 100% with my teammate Cawwa! :thumb:

I also think the greenflag should be "shouted out" in the chat so there's no room for misunderstandings or "hidden green flag behind a yellow flag"

Watching the replay I also noticed there were a lot of confusion regarding the SC. I can't see any notice on the screen stating the race is under SC conditions .. or is that screenmsg not visible in the replay? :pillepall
There were a lot of confusions at the back of the safety car, when cars catching up the line-up started to pass them, not realising SC was at the very begininning of the line up!

Hopefully IRM will get a chance to compete with u guys already in the league, we're still on waiting list ... :eclipsee_
It does. When deko [or whoever] presses "Green Flag", it comes up as an rcm on screen AND as a message in chat. However, mpr's don't save those messages therefore you can't see it in the replay :(

[skstibi]

Lap 34
42:47:88
I pwn you in last turn.
Lap 35
44:02:19
I did it again,but no u turn IN me.Your fault.

45:15 sec here is screenshot from game.What happend here?

I am talking about these. I have no idea what replay you are using.
I left you room, you went in too fast and your front end slid out into my car. At the exit you were at the outside edge of the track where I was going to be if you did not bump me.

[StableX]

It does. When deko [or whoever] presses "Green Flag", it comes up as an rcm on screen AND as a message in chat. However, mpr's don't save those messages therefore you can't see it in the replay :(

However, it should show a chat green flag in the stream replay shouldn't it? that way you'll be able to get a accurate time of when it came up in chat to then analyse that against the replay without the chat......?

[boothy]

However, it should show a chat green flag in the stream replay shouldn't it? that way you'll be able to get a accurate time of when it came up in chat to then analyse that against the replay without the chat......?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1308958#post1308958

Go to the rescue car and you can see exactly when it appears.

[J@tko]

FYI the green flag flew at Exactly 2:11.41 race time

Edit: Or 2:38.44 replay time.

The green flag was waved at 2:11.34 on the race clock, and at that time #27 hadn't overtaken anyone.

However, it should show a chat green flag in the stream replay shouldn't it? that way you'll be able to get a accurate time of when it came up in chat to then analyse that against the replay without the chat......?
I'm believing those two above [from posts in this thread], and based on that, #27 did not jump start. But of course we can check the exact time from the stream :)

And thanks for making up that quote :D

EDIT: Or we can do what the almighty Boothy suggests!

[boothy]

EDIT: Or we can do what the almighty Boothy suggests!

Always a good idea :thumbsup: If Deko had done that before the race Dmt wouldn't have taken a trip into the scenery :D :smileypul

[HVS5b]

Not that there is any point making an official protest, but....

The whole purpose of the guest team is too show us an example of the MoE/IGTC driver quality. They aren't scored for points, so why are you all worrying about it?

pmsl :)

Check out the incident between cars 00 and 09 beginning at 41.05.

Car 09 left foot breaks on the straight giving way under blue flag. During the overtake, the "Advanced Driver" from spdo cleverly decides to cut back onto the racing line when there was no requirement to do so, wipes us out and sends his own into orbit.

That same 'overtake under blue flag' move happened plenty other times with the rest of the faster Amateur drivers and there was never an issue :shrug:

Sore one, and not even an apology.

Cheers :thumb:

[AjRose]

You should be aware that I am inside.

We will let the admins decide on that.

[ivantod]

I am talking about these. I have no idea what replay you are using.
I left you room, you went in too fast and your front end slid out into my car. At the exit you were at the outside edge of the track where I was going to be if you did not bump me.
Yes it is lap 35.
Lap 34
42:47:88
I overtake you in last turn.
Lap 35
44:02:19
I did it again,but U turn IN me.Your fault.

HINT:when u r talking about time in replay,watch the upper right corner,there is a time of the race.

We will let the admins decide on that.

Yes,we will let admins to decide.

[phoenixIlooka]

Maybe your driver should let the faster drivers pass earlier on the straight, and maybe he should not brake on ideal line..
The spdo driver reacted very fast but unfortunately he went back to the right...

[ivantod]

We will let the admins decide on that.

[PaulC2K]

Yeah, my mirror is full black. Going to have to find out how to get image in it again, damn resetted LFS options.
I think you'll find he was probably commenting on the fact that his car was facing the wrong direction... i think.

It looked very bizarre on the Remote, but i got the feeling that it was more a case of him being on the throttle already when the race happened to go green, so he was able to go past everyone. I havent seen the replay to know if that even remotely accurate, but its what i thought had happened.
Doesnt excuse what happened when he got to T1 though.... again, from how it looked on the remote.
Did i call it, or did i call it :nod::thumb:

There is no way, based on the way the grid was lined up that the race should have been started and green flagged in chat.

There should have been an extra rolling lap until the drivers bunched up properly!

Everything stems from that poor decision to start the race, even though drivers were not even around the last bend fully!
Yeah, thats how i'd interpret the race start.
When we were made to attend the test round we had 3-4 cracks at the start because previous ones werent suitable, and if the first car over the line by a distance isnt the pole driver, then straight away we have an unsuitable start.
Part of the problem will always be the drivers trying to be careful and not get too close that they have to slam on the brakes if the car infront needs to, only to get hit from behind because of your sudden actions. So the field isnt going to be as bunched as it could be, and that start section isnt exactly ideal for getting people lined up as its so short and the chicane & hairpin dont help the side-by-side setup. It might be fine for the first 10-16 cars through, but by the time the leader is at the line theres still cars who arent into formation properly.

So I think its partly the first lap being run out of shape and still going green despite this, and partly the fact that the track doesnt really help matters.

[sjoblom]

It does. When deko [or whoever] presses "Green Flag", it comes up as an rcm on screen AND as a message in chat. However, mpr's don't save those messages therefore you can't see it in the replay :(
Well i thought so, thanx for confirming!
But maybe, as sugested, those kind of messages should go to the chat as well at the same time, then avoiding replays confusions AND avoiding a Yellow Flag "hiding" Green flag on the screen!
Well ...
Strange then seeing drivers overtaking under SC conditions :really:
IMO drivers are supposed to read the rules before they join this event, and by reading I mean not scrolling rules during 30 secs! No way u can miss that rule if you take GTAL seriously ... also surpised me a lot at the start seeing 2:nd grid driver overtaking the pole holder way before the starting line ...

[ivantod]

I think you'll find he was probably commenting on the fact that his car was facing the wrong direction... i think.


:nod:

[niels1]

Geting a nicely bunched up pack is a pain on any track.
However if you do 2 SC laps with last on pit limiter you should be able to get the pack nicely together. Secondly the weaving to warm up the tyres during a start procedure is a bit over the top. Youre doing a 3 hr stint so that little weaving wont help a bit at the start.

Like I said make the last from start/finish line a must use pitlimiter that will tide up the pack. No one can go faster and youll have a full lape to sort it out. just my 2 cents

[skstibi]

U turn IN me.Your fault.
I am sorry but I left you the same amount of room the second time, I left the same amount of room for everyone else and yet you are the only one to have any problem. It is the same exact corner that you had issues with other drivers, that is why I brought this up in the first place.

If you want to know what I see, this screenshot should tell you why I am saying this is your fault.

Want the admins to decide, fine. I know that quite a few of us are not too happy with your *wonderful* moves.

[BlackRider]

I read through all of this and never saw anyone suggest this, but would it be better to start the next (season's) Blackwood race from the back straight? That straight is more than long enough to get the entire field formed up before the leader is even half-way down it. It's not unheard of for a rolling start to happen somewhere other than the S/F line.

[ivantod]

skstibi,is that FOV u using like that one on the picture u posted?

First picture enter of the corner,second picture exit out of corner.What r u doing there?
Also quite of few drivers were not happy with wonderfull control of the FZR from SRLT team when E.Kasperiunas was on track.He was all over the track.

[CSF]

Also quite of few drivers were not happy with wonderfull control of the FZR from SRLT team when E.Kasperiunas was on track.He was all over the track.

Surely that couldn't be the understatement of the year could it?

[Ki-Men]

I was watched the replay few times on that incident in 34 and 35 lap betwen ivan and SRLT car, and I clearly see that boat off them is wictim off inconsisted draiwing and blocking from car 27 ahead infront off them.

[skstibi]

skstibi,is that FOV u using like that one on the picture u posted?

First picture enter of the corner,second picture exit out of corner.What r u doing there?
Also quite of few drivers were not happy with wonderfull control of the FZR from SRLT team when E.Kasperiunas was on track.He was all over the track.

Hell, He is my teammate and I was not happy! He was not even supposed to have to drive in the race.
I will agree with you that he was all over the place, he had never driven with the setup before and he is a FXR guy.

Fixed your second picture.. I was clearly hit by something as my car is quite sideways.

[PMD9409]

I read through all of this and never saw anyone suggest this, but would it be better to start the next (season's) Blackwood race from the back straight? That straight is more than long enough to get the entire field formed up before the leader is even half-way down it. It's not unheard of for a rolling start to happen somewhere other than the S/F line.

I see 30 cars going into the chicane (all bunched up) as a REALLY bad idea. :tilt:

[pik_d]

Hell, He is my teammate and I was not happy! He was not even supposed to have to drive in the race.
I will agree with you that he was all over the place, he had never driven with the setup before and he is a FXR guy.


I would also like to say that some people should get a bit more practice in before trying to race. oldnavy and fabiansaad. Most of the people seems pretty well prepared though, not quite as "amateur" as I expected. Only one SC? good going guys. :D

Wow, I didn't know it was THAT bad. Why was he even in the car?

[skstibi]

Wow, I didn't know it was THAT bad. Why was he even in the car?

Because my second driver AND the backup driver failed to show up. Need I say more?

[pik_d]

Because my second driver AND the backup driver failed to show up. Need I say more?
Ah, I was thinking it was something like that. I figured both others on the tracker would have been much better. :schwitz:

[oldnavy]

Yea sorry for my bad pereformance in track and sorry if I caused some problems to anyone, we just had stupid situation over here, anyway prety good race, loads of fun! looking forward to next race( only looking! not driving :P)

[Ki-Men]

skstibi I wont to show something , watch the pictures execialy clipboard 2.
Clipboard 1. - if you agree with me this is one moment before contact you and my teammate.
clipboard 2 - show us the forces on your tyres , watch the marker 1 watch the force on that tyre , one off your tyre are in drift and did you see the trail of that? I was marked it too.
clipboard 3 and 4 are showing to us that you are in full throtle and bigger speed , and watch the wheel position boath off you.

there was no intention for contact , and my thinking that is clean race incident

[Wilko868]

Surely that couldn't be the understatement of the year could it?
Yes, yes it is.

[ivantod]

I was clearly hit by something as my car is quite sideways.

someone from the audience throw a concrete block on your car

[Ki-Men]

Now I was go much closer to incident this boath pictures show the same moment , the contact has not been yet , but you have now trail on the second back tyre this meen that you have boath back tyres in drift , in this moment you give the first contra on the wheel , because your back are moving , but that is not enough to avoid contact it is just to reagan the control on the car what are you lost in the drift-you still moving across the track , the contact was maded when you must to made another contra , bigger than the first.
Boat car was is in drift on that moment.


I was analize this frame by frame , just do the same thing and you will see same what I see

[J@tko]

We've had pictures from almost every angle now, enough please :)

[ivantod]

J@tko,we were just tried to explain.:D

[J@tko]

J@tko,we were just tried to explain.:D
I just thought we may continue until we get EVERY SINGLE possible angle, including down the driver's trousers. :tilt:

[ivantod]

pictures of drivers in underware,and naked pictures of drivers will come later

[skstibi]

I give up with this, I am tired of having to spam this thread.
My inside tires were doing the same thing lap after lap in that corner.

I guess it was just too close and there was lag, I did not hear any contact during the replay but I sure as hell heard it while driving.

At least you guys did it in a corner, Xcite just nailed me on the straight.
I was laughing when their tire blew out in T1 :shy:

[sjoblom]

someone from the audience throw a concrete block on your car
OMG .. that was a good one :D ... might be some huligans hanging around in Blackpool ... :x
Well, u never know these days where the virtual world ends and the IRL world starts :razz:

I've got the impression this is a very serious league, so I got very surprised reading that a team send in a driver that hadn't done any testing and training with the car and set the team used ... ok, obviously it was a "ForceMajouer" situation, but ... :scratchch ...

[HVS5b]

Maybe your driver should let the faster drivers pass earlier on the straight, and maybe he should not brake on ideal line..
The spdo driver reacted very fast but unfortunately he went back to the right...

1. We braked to on the straight to let him past. There was no need to defend the chicane from us. Fact.

2. Under these circumstances, normal practice is to stay on racing line and let lapping car over take using the drag and our braking.

3. spdo driver should know better.....

Don't think it's too much to expect better from these hallowed Advanced Drivers :shrug:

Otherwise it was a really good race, proper enjoyed it. Don't quite know wtf to think about the whole jump start arguement, but its clear something is very wrong if #27's start was legal.

Stroll on KY3 :schwitz:

[phoenixIlooka]

Normal practice for blue flagged car is to go off ideal line and brake there early enough :)

1. We braked to on the straight to let him past. There was no need to defend the chicane from us. Fact.

2. Under these circumstances, normal practice is to stay on racing line and let lapping car over take using the drag and our braking.

3. spdo driver should know better.....

Don't think it's too much to expect better from these hallowed Advanced Drivers :shrug:

Otherwise it was a really good race, proper enjoyed it. Don't quite know wtf to think about the whole jump start arguement, but its clear something is very wrong if #27's start was legal.

Stroll on KY3 :schwitz:

[MoMo92i]

not in endurance...in endurance each car do his race and faster cars need to overtake them. Blue flag means only "Warning, there is a faster car ! Don't block it !"...

[dekojester]

The CliffsNotes version of the NDR blue flag view:

Blue flagged cars in any of our series do not have to keel over and die and fly to the moon whenever a faster car is around. They just have to mind the faster car and not unduly hinder it's progress. Blue flagged cars are expected to stay on the racing line and not do anything unexpected, until the flagging car presents a proper overtaking move, then they are to not defend the position. Basically, we treat blue flag situations as standard overtaking, just the car being overtaken has no defensive rights - EXCEPT when they are fighting to stay on the lead lap during racing or after a pitstop, then we are a bit more lenient on it if they're still a fast car just caught out by pits etc.

[Mp3 Astra]

Just a quick note; SRS #09 would like to announce their resignation from the league. Nothing to do with the race-ending crash! Just for different personal reasons among members of the team. We wish everyone good luck for the rest of the season and thank the NDR team for all their hard work in bringing this league back.

[J@tko]

Just a quick note; SRS #09 would like to announce their resignation from the league. Nothing to do with the race-ending crash! Just for different personal reasons among members of the team. We wish everyone good luck for the rest of the season and thank the NDR team for all their hard work in bringing this league back.

:(

See you lot around :thumbsup:

[Cawwa]

Just a quick note; SRS #09 would like to announce their resignation from the league. Nothing to do with the race-ending crash! Just for different personal reasons among members of the team. We wish everyone good luck for the rest of the season and thank the NDR team for all their hard work in bringing this league back.

Hmm ... isn't #09 Fubar racing? SRS are #10 uh?

[HVS5b]

Hmm ... isn't #09 Fubar racing? SRS are #10 uh?

Well spotted :thumb:

[BlackRider]

I see 30 cars going into the chicane (all bunched up) as a REALLY bad idea. :tilt:

I realize that, but T1 isn't exactly a mile wide either (though it is wider & slower)... but drivers could have more than 1/2 the back straight to sort themselves out for the chicane. But, unless we have the lead car go even slower, I don't know how to get a clean, well formed start out of BL1. And if the lead car went much slower than pit speed, we might as well do a standing start.

A little OT, but it would be nice if the chicane barriers could be removed and then we could cut the chicane for lap 1 & use it for the rest of the race.

[racer hero]

We need too use BL1 the normal direction, and start on the back straight.

[count.bazley]

Hmm ... isn't #09 Fubar racing? SRS are #10 uh?

You'll have to forgive Mr. Passingham, we were #09 last season and he's a very stubborn boy! :tilt:

[Mp3 Astra]

You'll have to forgive Mr. Passingham, we were #09 last season and he's a very stubborn boy! :tilt:


Wow, I'm amazed I didn't notice that. Sorry fubar!

[Cawwa]

Wow, I'm amazed I didn't notice that. Sorry fubar!

Fubar ... don't listen to him, just kick his ass ... :D

[HVS5b]

Fubar ... don't listen to him, just kick his ass ... :D

Lol, I can't say anything.....it took you to notice :tilt:

Sorry to see SRS go, was looking forward to battling with them for another season.

[Humbleridderen]

Where can we get the layout for the next track? :smileypul

[dekojester]

Where can we get the layout for the next track? :smileypul

On the NDR Server, it's up there now. :thumbsup:

[Humbleridderen]

On the NDR Server, it's up there now. :thumbsup:

Yes, thx..but we will do some testraces n our own server, so we need the layout file, if possible

[dekojester]

Yes, thx..but we will do some testraces n our own server, so we need the layout file, if possible

You can go into Shift+U and save it from there. I have to add some NDR standard track markings still, but the chicane won't be changed. You can go in there and steal it.

Ahh feck it, I'll attach it here too :P

d

[HVS5b]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1310686#post1310686

!

:shrug:

Come on guys, its not about 00 being 'caught off guard' its the return to the racing line that causes the incident.

I wont labour the point, let the admins admin.

[CSF]

Do you seriously think braking on the racing line at top speed and then getting back on the accelerator isn't going to contribute to the incident? 00 probably wasn't even thinking about overtaking into the chicane until you did that! :schwitz:

[HVS5b]

Do you seriously think braking on the racing line at top speed and then getting back on the accelerator isn't going to contribute to the incident? 00 probably wasn't even thinking about overtaking into the chicane until you did that! :schwitz:


It was a dab of left foot brake to facilitate the pass, not liked we slammed the anchors on.

Is that was caused the problem? Or the subsequent nose-chopping manouevre?

[pik_d]

It was a dab of left foot brake to facilitate the pass, not liked we slammed the anchors on.

Is that was caused the problem? Or the subsequent nose-chopping manouevre?
Braking on the racing line while not in a braking zone is a horrible idea, especially when there is a car behind you concentrating on getting around you. They are going to assume that you are going to remain as predictable as possible (that is, braking in braking zones, staying on throttle when on the racing line) so that they can worry about making a clean pass.

If you had tried that right in front of someone less experienced you may have ended up rear ended and YOU could have been heading towards the red 'n white barriers.

The "dab of left foot brake" was what started the whole turn of events, DMT just was a bit foolish to go back outside so quick. I would expect deko to hand both warnings at the very least.

Edit: Later in the race I was being lapped by two cars one lap ahead of me, fighting for somewhere between 8th-10th or something. I got completely off the racing line (I went to the left of the straight) while still pretty far from the braking zone, I think just after the bridge. I then lifted to let both cars past. No incidents happened because I moved left far enough ahead of them that they could see where I was going well before they drafted up to me. I would suggest doing this if you really feel the need to slow yourself to let lapping traffic past.

[Drift King CZ]

You can go into Shift+U and save it from there. I have to add some NDR standard track markings still, but the chicane won't be changed. You can go in there and steal it.

Ahh feck it, I'll attach it here too :P

d

Thanks. And "/select=yes", please. :)
EDIT: fail, Airio on the server.. wanted to start qual, but Airio remember the times...

[oldnavy]

You can go into Shift+U and save it from there. I have to add some NDR standard track markings still, but the chicane won't be changed. You can go in there and steal it.

Ahh feck it, I'll attach it here too :P

d

would be nice if you would create new thread where we could find layout or post it in some more spotable place, becasue its prety hard to find it for ppl who likes to race and not to spam forums :razz:

[HVS5b]

In reply to pikd:

Keeping it brief.

Honestly man, we know we're not the fastest drivers and are open to constructive criticism! But a dab of the left, say 25% (whilst still on full throttle) to kill the acceleration slightly, in order to give way to a car which is "concentrating on getting around us" doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

The edit thing: that was our only even slight contact with any other cars during the race. Apart from when I drove into a spinner right ahead of me :)

No biggie, I just think our driver, under those circumstances, is undeserving of criticism.

Can we drop it now pls?

Que sera sera :)

[pik_d]

In reply to pikd:
I beg of you, please do not do this to me if I am in a position to lap you ever. You obviously have no intention of listening to others trying to correct a horrible driving error but please please do not brake on the racing line in front of me.

[racer hero]

I beg of you, please do not do this to me if I am in a position to lap you ever. You obviously have no intention of listening to others trying to correct a horrible driving error but please please do not brake on the racing line in front of me.

Or he won't lift and he'll send you flying like he does too me! :thumb:

<3 Pik :razz:

[pik_d]

Or he won't lift and he'll send you flying like he does too me! :thumb:

<3 Pik :razz:
It's true. I will. I'll send you to the moon if you brake test me.

[racer hero]

It's true. I will. I'll send you to the moon if you brake test me.

I should try that in LOTA on Thursday... :nod:

[tmehlinger]

In reply to pikd:

Keeping it brief.

Honestly man, we know we're not the fastest drivers and are open to constructive criticism! But a dab of the left, say 25% (whilst still on full throttle) to kill the acceleration slightly, in order to give way to a car which is "concentrating on getting around us" doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

The edit thing: that was our only even slight contact with any other cars during the race. Apart from when I drove into a spinner right ahead of me :)

No biggie, I just think our driver, under those circumstances, is undeserving of criticism.

Can we drop it now pls?

Que sera sera :)

How is this not constructive?


Braking on the racing line while not in a braking zone is a horrible idea, especially when there is a car behind you concentrating on getting around you. They are going to assume that you are going to remain as predictable as possible (that is, braking in braking zones, staying on throttle when on the racing line) so that they can worry about making a clean pass.


Your driver made an incredibly dangerous, unpredictable move. Even at full throttle, "dabbing" the brakes 25% (!!!!) doesn't just "kill acceleration slightly," it will knock off at least 10 MPH in the time it would take a closely following car to react. For the life of me, I can't understand how you got it in your head that your driver doesn't deserve any criticism--it was a seriously bad move.

Given that your driver apparently felt compelled to slow down beyond early for the chicane in order to let the 00 car past, he still could have done it cleanly and safely by:


Waiting for the 00 car to pull out from behind, THEN applying the brakes; or
Pulling off the racing line and applying the brakes

Is that constructive enough?

[Seb66]

Edit: Later in the race I was being lapped by two cars one lap ahead of me, fighting for somewhere between 8th-10th or something. I got completely off the racing line (I went to the left of the straight) while still pretty far from the braking zone, I think just after the bridge. I then lifted to let both cars past. No incidents happened because I moved left far enough ahead of them that they could see where I was going well before they drafted up to me. I would suggest doing this if you really feel the need to slow yourself to let lapping traffic past.

Much love <3

[Humbleridderen]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1310686#post1310686

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:shrug:

Come on guys, its not about 00 being 'caught off guard' its the return to the racing line that causes the incident.

I wont labour the point, let the admins admin.

I support this!

Despite the bad outcome for car 00 :shrug: , this accident has nothing to do with letting car 00 pass..the only real mistake here was trying to get right in front of car 09, when it was too early and too risky. Car 00 didn´t even have to do that. He could just have stayed on the line he had during the passing until the chikane and everything would have been fine... Whether car 09 accelerate or not after the braking isn´t very important, because car 00 shouldn´t have gone to the right after the passing anyway.

This is just a good example of a passing car error. He thinks he has left room for the passed car, but actually he hasn´t.

[tmehlinger]

Saw this in the protest thread:



Lap and Replay Time of incident: 3:00:20-30 replay time, lap 143 (last lap), before final chicane
Car(s) involved: #22, #12
Brief description of incident: #12 pushed #22 on grass which resulted in lose of position.

Car 12 makes an overtake between Cars 22 and 17 on the backstretch. On approach to the chicane, Car 12 is alongside and about 75% ahead of Car 22. Car 12 appears to move right and push #22 off. Car 12 was not actively turning right, the car was drifting to the right, and there was some car jitter observed, perhaps causing the rightward movement impression. We are declaring this a racing incident, but issuing another reminder to competitors to be careful with distances between cars.


I mostly agree with this assessment, that the 12 car was drifting right and jittered into the 22. However, I'm interested in what happens after this incident.

After negotiating the chicane, the 12 car (driven by V. Lombardi) exits the hairpin with the 17 car immediately behind. They cross the line in that order, at which point Lombardi does a dance on an off the throttle and brake pedals, result in slight contact and nearly putting himself on his lid. He corrects, keeping it on its wheels (admittedly, it was pretty impressive), then, after being instructed to drive slowly back to pit lane, proceeds to finish the lap at race pace. He skips the pit entrance, driving full-speed up the front stretch, narrowly missing the two cars getting organized for the podium picture.

There's no excuse for that kind of behavior. He:


drove dangerously into T1 after the race had ended
willfully disobeyed instructions to drive slowly back to pit lane
drove dangerously past cars he knew to be stopped on the racing surface
narrowly missed spectacularly disrupting post-race proceedings


Obviously this isn't (and can't be) a protest but I thought it was worth mentioning.

[boothy]

Well on the subject of post-race shenanigans, we have moron face #14 deliberately spinning over the line into the 3rd place car, then spins out after T5 and takes out #05, and then goes through the chicane barriers at full speed.

Drivers have been punished for this kind of shit in the past in NDR events and rightly so.

[tmehlinger]

Drivers have been punished for this kind of shit in the past in NDR events and rightly so.

Good. I understand we're in an "amateur" league, but it's really disappointing to be on track with people who can't at least act professionally.

[GianniC]

Too much yadda yadda going on. This is round 1. This is a league to learn and make progress. Much more rounds to go. Let it go, take a deep breath and see you in Kyoto folks.

:bunny:

[Tomhah]

Too much yadda yadda going on. This is round 1. This is a league to learn and make progress. Much more rounds to go. Let it go, take a deep breath and see you in Kyoto folks.

:bunny:


Well, its sometimes good to tell people about their mistakes, so they can actually learn from it :)

[Lombardi]

Yes , i have read and learned. Thank you for this useful assessment.

[AstroBoy]

Can i just say....My noobish mistake at the start of the race will never be repeated again.
Other then that i enjoyed the rest of my race trying to recover from that incident.

[TFalke55]

http://www.filefront.com/15008961/GTAL2010-Round1-003.avi/

the whole stream as download

[AjRose]

http://www.filefront.com/15008961/GTAL2010-Round1-003.avi/

the whole stream as download

Thanks! :thumb: