A few questions

[Razvan]

Hello there, sorry for starting a new topic, i will delete it after i recieve my answers.

I read the Rules, for the 16h race, yet i still have some issues, i would like the admins to explain.

I understand the qualification will be on the 10th and 11th of october, my question is, which server will it be on, and is it hotlap style? or just run around 60 laps, and take the fastest time from those 60 laps? You mentioned saving the replay for the laps... meaning our driver needs to run an outlap, and then a hotlap, and then save the replay, and start all over again correct?

Many thanks in advance...

[commandermas]

no problem mate, it's good that you ask.

For the qualification there will be 2 Servers 'RacingMinds 16h Qual1' and 'RacingMinds 16h Qual2' You can do laps on both servers. They will be tracked by a combined lapper on both servers, so that you can see where you are.

The replay of your fastest lap (you may save your mpr replay) might be asked by the admins afterwards to see if there was cutting at some turn.

So it is not hotlap style. You have 60 laps on our servers that one! driver of your team can do. If more than one driver does a lap, the slower driver will be taken as your qualifying driver.

[exspeed]

Does the outlap count in those 60 laps or not?

[schumi91]

Does the outlap count in those 60 laps or not?
Compare it with the old Formula 1 Qualification. You got 12 laps. So you can drive 4 Outlaps, 4 hotlaps and 4 Inlaps = 12 laps. Every round counts :)

[Razvan]

no problem mate, it's good that you ask.

For the qualification there will be 2 Servers 'RacingMinds 16h Qual1' and 'RacingMinds 16h Qual2' You can do laps on both servers. They will be tracked by a combined lapper on both servers, so that you can see where you are.

The replay of your fastest lap (you may save your mpr replay) might be asked by the admins afterwards to see if there was cutting at some turn.

So it is not hotlap style. You have 60 laps on our servers that one! driver of your team can do. If more than one driver does a lap, the slower driver will be taken as your qualifying driver.

Thanks for taking the time to explain. :) (me = stupid) now i understand...

One more thing. You thing it would be possible, that the qual servers, both be in English? I for one have a hard time understanding (i hope im right) German. :) If not its ok, ill just click around until i get to where i need to :)

[exspeed]

They're running Airio InSim, so just type in: !lang EN
in the server and it makes it English. AFAIK

[Razvan]

Going to try that

[Aeropunk]

Are we allowed to do more than one flying lap at a time? For example: 1 outlap, 5 flying laps, 1 inlap.

Just for clarity's sake

[Razvan]

I can take the liberty and answer that... yes you can...

[Aeropunk]

Cheers mate ;)

[exspeed]

Is it a must to do inlap or no?

[Aid]

I have another little question. As i understand only 4 out of 6 drivers of the team can take part in the race (is it a tracker limitation). My question is: what if driver 1,2,3,4 do their 1st stints and then lets say driver 1 won't be able to do any more stints in some reason (i don't know... PC crashed, dog died etc) is it possible then for driver 5 to finish the last 3 stints of driver 1 or the remaining 3 main drivers will have to finish race without help from reserve driver and do more stints?

[seniecka]

Yes, it's allowed.

[BreadC]

my understanding is if 4 drivers have driven 1 hour then those 4 drivers are committted to finishing the race. no 5th or 6th driver can drive.

otherwise everyone would make excuses to allow the other 2 to drive

[socmaster88]

I have another little question. As i understand only 4 out of 6 drivers of the team can take part in the race (is it a tracker limitation). My question is: what if driver 1,2,3,4 do their 1st stints and then lets say driver 1 won't be able to do any more stints in some reason (i don't know... PC crashed, dog died etc) is it possible then for driver 5 to finish the last 3 stints of driver 1 or the remaining 3 main drivers will have to finish race without help from reserve driver and do more stints?

No, if driver 1,2,3 and 4 did their stints no other driver in this case 5 and 6 is allowd to drive.
As soon as 4 of your 6 drivers did laps no other driver is allowed or your team will be disqualified.

There is no Tracker limitation!!!

@seniecka: you are wrong :P

[R.Kolz]

Is it a must to do inlap or no?

Inlap? Yes mate. :razz:
Outlap I think you mean. Maybe some admin wants to confirm this: The lapper will only count full laps.
You are of course allowed to go in spectate mode at any time.

[Aid]

thanks:) by tracker limitation i meant tracker is setup the way to allow only 4 unique drivers per team.. if something will go wrong there will be big load on other driver to compensate lose.

[seniecka]

No, if driver 1,2,3 and 4 did their stints no other driver in this case 5 and 6 is allowd to drive.
As soon as 4 of your 6 drivers did laps no other driver is allowed or your team will be disqualified.

There is no Tracker limitation!!!

@seniecka: you are wrong :P


Ups, my bad. :shrug:

I thought that reserve drivers are allowed to participate due to similiar situation which Aid told.

[schumi91]

Inlap? Yes mate. :razz:
Outlap I think you mean. Maybe some admin wants to confirm this: The lapper will only count full laps.
You are of course allowed to go in spectate mode at any time.
Hey Rudi, hes correct. The Inlap is the lap back into the pits. The outlap is the lap out of the pits ;)

[exspeed]

Inlap? Yes mate. :razz:
Outlap I think you mean. Maybe some admin wants to confirm this: The lapper will only count full laps.
You are of course allowed to go in spectate mode at any time.
Yes, inlap, but I got it clear now.

[socmaster88]

Inlap? Yes mate. :razz:
Outlap I think you mean. Maybe some admin wants to confirm this: The lapper will only count full laps.
You are of course allowed to go in spectate mode at any time.

i really don't know atm if the lapper only counts full laps, but i think so.

[R.Kolz]

Hey Rudi.. The Inlap is the lap back into the pits. The outlap is the lap out of the pits ;)

I know. Was only to test you.. (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1279201#post1279201)

[socmaster88]

thanks:) by tracker limitation i meant tracker is setup the way to allow only 4 unique drivers per team.. if something will go wrong there will be big load on other driver to compensate lose.

I build the tracker by extracting the data from the registrations database. So all entered drivers will be able to drive. So you have the choice which 4 drivers you send out on the track.

[Aid]

yeah that's cool:) my personal worry is that if lets say i will lose 1 or 2 drivers in some unpredicted reasons the other 2 will have to finish the race. That would be a lot of driving:) that's why I asked to clarify rules:), if such thing would happen i know i mustn't use reserve drivers to feel the gaps

[socmaster88]

how big is the chance, that something happens to 2 of your drivers after they did already stints?

[Humbleridderen]

how big is the chance, that something happens to 2 of your drivers after they did already stints?

Probably falling asleep :razz:

[cbr929]

Hi. Where can we edit our drivers?

[seniecka]

Will be any trailer video about upcoming race ? Because in previous year there was, so I guessing for a next one. :smileypul

[commandermas]

Login where you registered your team. There you can change your team :D

[Koa128]

At the registration site you entered your provisional drivers ;)


So, the tracker will count only full laps right? That means I can shift+p after doing a hot lap so the inlap is not taken into account, right?

[commandermas]

@intermediate: correct

@koa: as the "inlap" consists of crossing the line of the hotlap (thats counted) und shift+s/p/whatsoever it won't be counted yes

[Koa128]

Tks, thats a good way to save a few laps for the qualy :D

Skin on the way

[Aid]

@socmaster88 (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=141590)
during 12h fern bay one of us started to have a problem with lfs getting randomly minimized so couldn't drive any more and also at 9h aston we had some problem with a driver don't remember exactly what it was. so yeah - things happen sometimes and i asked what are my options in such cases. i'm not trying to argue about why you decided to go with such rules. all i needed is some clarifications of rules:)

2 drivers thing.. it was only hypothetical situation mate

[buck77]

i can't find the train server! :(

what's the name of it??

[bunder9999]

i can't find the train server! :(

what's the name of it??

looks like you found it... :thumb:

[buck77]

looks like you found it... :thumb:

yep! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

sorry, i forgot to mention it here!!!

thanks! ;)

[commandermas]

@socmaster88 (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=141590)
during 12h fern bay one of us started to have a problem with lfs getting randomly minimized so couldn't drive any more and also at 9h aston we had some problem with a driver don't remember exactly what it was. so yeah - things happen sometimes and i asked what are my options in such cases. i'm not trying to argue about why you decided to go with such rules. all i needed is some clarifications of rules:)

2 drivers thing.. it was only hypothetical situation mate

if something like that happens you may contact the admins :)

[Humbleridderen]

I just noticed this from the rules:

"3.3.9 In case of a change of drivers the replacing driver may join the server until the current driver began the last lap before his stop. After the change the replaced driver has to leave the server immediately."

Shouldn´t it be?:

3.3.9 In case of a change of drivers the replacing driver may join the server not before the current driver begins the last lap before his stop. After the change the replaced driver has to leave the server immediately.

[exspeed]

What's the maximum amount 1 driver can drive? Laps/hours/percentage of race?

[commandermas]

@Humbleridderen (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=89317): yeah thats slightly better, but i think, as this nearly means the same, everyone understands what we mean :D

@exspeed: i think it is enough if i say, that one driver shouldn't drive the whole 16 hours.

[oldnavy]

but he can drive 15 hours? :D

[Koa128]

You can, but remember this is racing, not cruising in sleeping mode :D

[Koa128]

One more quickie question: Qualy driver is required to be the same one starting the race? Or we can choose the driver starting the race?

Tks

[commandermas]

its still even slightly better :D

the qualificationdriver even doesn't need to take part in the race, BUT if a Team didn't qualify it won't take part in the race.

[oldnavy]

And where qualification is going to be? at what server? And is there going to be any pass? As i understand it starts later today?

[commandermas]

yes it starts later today, there will be an email with the password and a post which servers and other things in about an hour.

[R.Kolz]

Some link collection would be nice to have. For the tracker, the homepage, the registration site mm..

[commandermas]

thats a really good idea

[Metalass]

i really don't know atm if the lapper only counts full laps, but i think so.


Can anybody confirm that outlaps are not counted?

The Qual starts in a couple of hours :schwitz:

[commandermas]

i'll have a look and will confirm it in about 5 minutes :D

[Metalass]

Oh while you're at it, sorry for bothering you again, but i am also wondering at what point a lap is counted? At the end of sector 1 just like OLFSL?

[commandermas]

outlaps won't count and the fast lap is counted, when its finished.

[Metalass]

Sounds good, thx for the quick answer mate. :thumbsup:

[zeugnimod]

@Humbleridderen (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=89317): yeah thats slightly better, but i think, as this nearly means the same, everyone understands what we mean :D

It actually meant the complete opposite, i.e. that it is forbidden to join the server after the currently racing driver started his last lap before the stop. ;)

[commandermas]

hm ah yes after about 40 times of reading i see what you mean, but after another 20 minutes of thinking about that, it is NOT forbidden to join after, but it is allowed to join before, as far as i understand my english :D This is because the skindownload may least a while so the driverchange doesn't cost any time.

[Aid]

so there is 4 wheel on track rule (that means only tarmac and curbs - no wheel on grass) or standard rule 2 wheels inside white line?

[commandermas]

2 wheels on track

just keep sure that you don't ram anything with your front and the lap won't be cutted. We have got a layout for that.

[oldnavy]

btw where to check, how much laps i can do more?

[Aid]

any chance of registering quali servers at lfs remote?

[manneF1]

So...only fast laps count?

[commandermas]

yes

you won't need remote for the qualservers, teammates are allowed to join.

[manneF1]

okay,i can see my lapcount whit !pi

[oldnavy]

okay,i can see my lapcount whit !pi
check out tracker it shows how many laps you have completed ;)

[manneF1]

I see. Thanks:)

[rcpilot]

Got a few questions/observations of my own after going through the rules.

Should disconnects really be penalized with a lap deduction? There's a case for that when it's obviously advantageous to the team involved, but usually it's just a kick when someone's already down.

'Blue Flags have to be respected immediately after the first showing.' Is this really that strict? It's often the case later in a race this long that you have people extremely closely matched on pace lapping eachother, and they can throw a blue flag for several laps before really catching up.

And finally, is passing allowed under a yellow? You seem to indicate you frown on any tomfoolery under the yellow, but you don't say you can't pass.

I'm a stickler for my rules. :p

[commandermas]

Got a few questions/observations of my own after going through the rules.

Should disconnects really be penalized with a lap deduction? There's a case for that when it's obviously advantageous to the team involved, but usually it's just a kick when someone's already down.

Usually, but if it wouldn't be penalized there would be teams, that could use it to make "faster" pitstops. One drivers joins because there is a driverchange coming. Oh the driver on track disconnects and immediately the new driver goes out with fresh tires and without a second of pitting.


'Blue Flags have to be respected immediately after the first showing.' Is this really that strict? It's often the case later in a race this long that you have people extremely closely matched on pace lapping eachother, and they can throw a blue flag for several laps before really catching up.

They have to be respected. The driver who wants to pass should not have a problem while passing, like we had it in the first year, where NGTs sticked to there line when GT1s tried to overtake.

Blue flags can be ignored if you are in a higher class for sure :D


And finally, is passing allowed under a yellow? You seem to indicate you frown on any tomfoolery under the yellow, but you don't say you can't pass.

I'm a stickler for my rules. :p

oh yeah the yellow thing. Thats quite annoying, because the yellow flag isn't shown in a defined area its shown to "sectors". So sometimes the driver in front gets yellow and the one behind him not. If you say it's not allowed then you have a really big problem, because one driver had yellow and the other not. (We had this situation in a race). So we decided to allow passing under yellow, but if there is a crash there will be a penalty for the driver who took too much risk.

[Gil07]

NGTs should stick to their line though, so GTs can go around them without trouble, or pass on the straight. ;)

[BreadC]

agreed. cars stick to their line its the gt2 and gt1 responsibility to overtake without crashing.

[phoenixIlooka]

Everytime the same discussion :D

[commandermas]

hm i think i expressed it wrong. A nGT didn't just stick to his line but somehow tried to block the GT1, or it looked like that.

[Gil07]

That would be indeed wrong :D

[rcpilot]

Usually, but if it wouldn't be penalized there would be teams, that could use it to make "faster" pitstops. One drivers joins because there is a driverchange coming. Oh the driver on track disconnects and immediately the new driver goes out with fresh tires and without a second of pitting.
Yes, a few teams have gained from that in the past when no penalties were given and disconnects weren't reviewed. But, a lot of people are going to disconnect in the course of a 16h race with 80+ teams involved, and a vast majority of them will have their race hurt by it. Broadly giving everyone such a large penalty for a disconnect does far more harm to innocents and the overall ability to have a competitive race imo.

You don't even really have to devote admin resources to it, just make it a protestable penalty to gain from a disconnect and most competitors would be happy to cry foul.

[R.Kolz]

Usually, but if it wouldn't be penalized there would be teams, that could use it to make "faster" pitstops. One drivers joins because there is a driverchange coming. Oh the driver on track disconnects and immediately the new driver goes out with fresh tires and without a second of pitting.

I´ve to agree with rc pilot on this one. I´m not sure about all of the facts of an intentional DC, but you admins should try to find some better way then just add a +1 lap penalty to a team which possibly then will lose almost 2 laps (~200 secs.), in case they´d suffer a DC just just before the start finish line. The solution you present here doesn´t sound very elegant to me and might deserve a closer look at.

The questions to me (keeping the subject FXR/XRR engine damage out of it as here teams will make their own decisions anyways.. :x ) are:

1.What´s the maximum time a team could gain on a intentional DC?
Isn´t it something like refuel, tire change in- and outlap? A 30-40 secs all in all ?

If this is correct:

2.Any better way to eleminate this possible advantage?
How about:
Any DC´s before 1st split (which is at 30-35 secs. for all car classes at AS7r ) would mean SG penalty for the team, all other DC´s would NOT become punished as no time advantage could be gained on it? True?

@ Need to add something here: Admins don´t/can´t see where the DC has happened during the race. And drivers just can´t type " Pls. give us a DT" in the race chat. But teams/drivers will know and in case of a DC before 1st split, after their reconnect drive in the pits, stay there for 15 secs. and pick up their race again. Via tracker all DC´s will be easy to find after the race, the hopefully few DC´s are then to check by the admins after the race via replay.

[phoenixIlooka]

I agree to rcpilot, but how to control if a DC was intended or not?

[commandermas]

Yes, a few teams have gained from that in the past when no penalties were given and disconnects weren't reviewed. But, a lot of people are going to disconnect in the course of a 16h race with 80+ teams involved, and a vast majority of them will have their race hurt by it. Broadly giving everyone such a large penalty for a disconnect does far more harm to innocents and the overall ability to have a competitive race imo.

You don't even really have to devote admin resources to it, just make it a protestable penalty to gain from a disconnect and most competitors would be happy to cry foul.

A really good idea. We will have a try for that next year and if it works out, we'll stay with that rule.

[Damion1972]

Have read about the Pit exit line cuting.

Is it allowed to cut a bit the green on the left hand side on the start of the pit exit?

Or did we get then a 30sec. penalty?

[phoenixIlooka]

yeh, on this track the pit exit is kind of risky...
How will it be handled if a driver touches or crosses the yellow line just a little bit?

[BreadC]

would think you would try to take tarmac..

u can risk taking the grass but theres a bump there that may give u dmg and you could spin :)

[Humbleridderen]

I ´can´t find in the rules anything about how you find final positions as we are racing on different servers.

Can anyone from server 2 end better than someone from their class in server 1?

I think it would not be fair, if someone from server 1 for example have a lot of problems during the race and maybe a very bad performance. Then a good team from server 2 should be in front if that team has run a longer distance in total during the 16 hours.

[DeadWolfBones]

I ´can´t find in the rules anything about how you find final positions as we are racing on different servers.

Can anyone from server 2 end better than someone from their class in server 1?

I think it would not be fair, if someone from server 1 for example have a lot of problems during the race and maybe a very bad performance. Then a good team from server 2 should be in front if that team has run a longer distance in total during the 16 hours.

I'm pretty sure it's all cobbled together on one tracker, so someone from any server could win.

[exspeed]

I'm pretty sure it's all cobbled together on one tracker, so someone from any server could win.
Just like last year, every server were running on the same tracker. I guess it should be the same this year.

[BinBalde]

I'm pretty sure it's all cobbled together on one tracker, so someone from any server could win.

:nod:

[commandermas]

Have read about the Pit exit line cuting.

Is it allowed to cut a bit the green on the left hand side on the start of the pit exit?

Or did we get then a 30sec. penalty?

I think we'll have some tires in the pit exit, so no one can cut over the grass.

[Humbleridderen]

I think we'll have some tires in the pit exit, so no one can cut over the grass.

Good idea.. :)

[R.Kolz]

Yes, a few teams have gained from that in the past when no penalties were given and disconnects weren't reviewed. But, a lot of people are going to disconnect in the course of a 16h race with 80+ teams involved, and a vast majority of them will have their race hurt by it. Broadly giving everyone such a large penalty for a disconnect does far more harm to innocents and the overall ability to have a competitive race imo. You don't even really have to devote admin resources to it, just make it a protestable penalty to gain from a disconnect and most competitors would be happy to cry foul.

A really good idea. We will have a try for that next year and if it works out, we'll stay with that rule.

If you really think it´s a "really good idea" why not trying it this year already? It´s a minor change to the rules and there is plenty of time to announce it.

[buck77]

I got a question...
http://www.hadasch-mk.de/16h.jpg

What are the S1, S2 and S3 things?

[boothy]

Well since everyone can't fit on the one server...

[buck77]

:thumb:

hahaha

SO SORRY!

[BinBalde]

if you really think it´s a "really good idea" why not trying it this year already? It´s a minor change to the rules and there is plenty of time to announce it.

+1.

[vicbel]

Usually, but if it wouldn't be penalized there would be teams, that could use it to make "faster" pitstops. One drivers joins because there is a driverchange coming. Oh the driver on track disconnects and immediately the new driver goes out with fresh tires and without a second of pitting.

Here is another idea ...

Why not give a 45 sec penalty for disconnects instead of one full lap. With a 45 sec penalty you would eliminate any advantage gained for a disconnect, and it would not be as hard as a full lap (almost 2 min or more for the NGTs).

just my $0.02 ...

EDIT: One more question, what are the details for the Teamspeak server?

[phoenixIlooka]

here is another idea ...

Why not give a 45 sec penalty for disconnects instead of one full lap. With a 45 sec penalty you would eliminate any advantage gained for a disconnect, and it would not be as hard as a full lap (almost 2 min or more for the ngts).

Just my $0.02 ...

Edit: One more question, what are the details for the teamspeak server?

+1!!!

[Koa128]

I´ve to agree with rc pilot on this one. I´m not sure about all of the facts of an intentional DC, but you admins should try to find some better way then just add a +1 lap penalty to a team which possibly then will lose almost 2 laps (~200 secs.), in case they´d suffer a DC just just before the start finish line. The solution you present here doesn´t sound very elegant to me and might deserve a closer look at.

The questions to me (keeping the subject FXR/XRR engine damage out of it as here teams will make their own decisions anyways.. :x ) are:

1.What´s the maximum time a team could gain on a intentional DC?
Isn´t it something like refuel, tire change in- and outlap? A 30-40 secs all in all ?

If this is correct:

2.Any better way to eleminate this possible advantage?
How about:
Any DC´s before 1st split (which is at 30-35 secs. for all car classes at AS7r ) would mean SG penalty for the team, all other DC´s would NOT become punished as no time advantage could be gained on it? True?

I agree with Rudi here, DC penalties should depend on split, giving a full lap loss penalty its kind of unfair :shrug:

[PMD9409]

I'm for no penalty, 30 sec, or 45 sec penalty for disconnects. +1 lap is just too much IMO.

[commandermas]

Here is another idea ...

Why not give a 45 sec penalty for disconnects instead of one full lap. With a 45 sec penalty you would eliminate any advantage gained for a disconnect, and it would not be as hard as a full lap (almost 2 min or more for the NGTs).

just my $0.02 ...

EDIT: One more question, what are the details for the Teamspeak server?

Because the tracker only allows full penalty laps. Otherwise we would have given 25 or 30 seconds and not a whole lap.

I had some problems with the teamspeak server, but everything you need will be published thursday

[Humbleridderen]

+1.

+1 too

It´s a extremely hard penalty to be disconnected and with all what this includes of side effects and in top of that get a 1 lap penalty.

Let it be up to the drivers to complain about a certain suspicious DC. Then it could be penalized with 1 lap for example.

[oldnavy]

This rule isint so perfect as it could be.

MY soliution. All timeouts between 1-25 lap of stint start for GT2 for eg is no penalty, but if you get timed out in 25-35 laps zone you will get penalty as this can be profit for team, but this rule is bad again as you can be very unlucky and get this penalty.

BTW this idea with 1st split is pret good too

[Gil07]

Which top league has an auto-penalty for discos?

I think there should be no penalty. Suspicious cases can always be protested...

[commandermas]

I think there should be no penalty. Suspicious cases can always be protested...

We will have an adminmeeting on thursday maybe we will change the rule in last minute.

@Intermediate: Teamspeak is not required.

[Fuse5]

Once again, suprisingly, can't find any information on the existence of the IRC channel.

IIRC we had one last year. And since we don't plan on using teamspeak, I hope you are using IRC.

Just asking, are we going to get a proper drivers briefing thread with all the info in the same place before the race?

[Flingoko]

can i ask with car will be used for safety car?

[andRo.]

Hi, sorry for a dumb question but I don't want it to happen the same way as with qualification, so I will make sure. :D Is the race on Saturday, 17th? And what time does it start? :D

I read the whole forum, but didn't find anything, except the countdown timer. Thanks in advance.

[R.Kolz]

Hi, sorry for a dumb question but I don't want it to happen the same way as with qualification, so I will make sure. :D Is the race on Saturday, 17th? And what time does it start? :D

I read the whole forum, but didn't find anything, except the countdown timer. Thanks in advance.

Time of race start is hidden there:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=58685

[andRo.]

Thanks, sorry, didn't read the rules because I'm not participating myself, so I forgot to check there. :D

[commandermas]

Safetycar will be the RB4 and we will have around 100km/h on the lap

Once again, suprisingly, can't find any information on the existence of the IRC channel.

IIRC we had one last year. And since we don't plan on using teamspeak, I hope you are using IRC.

Just asking, are we going to get a proper drivers briefing thread with all the info in the same place before the race?

Last year we had an admin who was nearly all the time in IRC, but as i have got some problems with it and don't really know much about it, there won't be an IRC Channel. If you got ICQ, MSN, Xfire, AIM or something like that please pm me, so that we can get in contact if you have got some questions.

You will get all the info you need tomorrow evening/friday morning in a new thread here (except password). The password will be send by email so if you didn't get an email please pm me a working emailadress, so that we can send you the password for the race.

[Koa128]

If there is no IRC or live chat with the admins, I suppose there aren't live penalties during the race (i.e. Moe style), right?

[Flingoko]

thx

[commandermas]

there should be no live penalties.

if for example a team is very aggressive and only crashing other teams it will be banned for sure, but another penalty won't be given during the race.

[phoenixIlooka]

... besides the -2 laps for a disconnect :)

[Rubén M. (MEX)]

They know if they published the list of teams in each of the servers for the race?

[BreadC]

They know if they published the list of teams in each of the servers for the race?

http://www.hadasch-mk.de/16h.jpg

[commandermas]

... besides the -2 laps for a disconnect :)

maybe not :D

The list BreadC linked is just a provisional one.

The final one will be published tomorrow.

[Rubén M. (MEX)]

http://www.hadasch-mk.de/16h.jpg

ok, then server is assigned to each category of car?

I guess with server-1 GT-1 server-2 GT-2 and server-3 NGT ..

Am I right?

Will be assigned password for each?

[Rubén M. (MEX)]

maybe not :D

The list BreadC linked is just a provisional one.

The final one will be published tomorrow.

OK... :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

[HL_Nano]

ok, then server is assigned to each category of car?

I guess with server-1 GT-1 server-2 GT-2 and server-3 NGT ..

Am I right?

Will be assigned password for each?

Rubén, como verás en la imagen.
Los autos que tienen detrás "S1" van al servidor 1, los que dicen "S2" van al servidor 2 y los que dicen "S3" van al servidor 3.

La idea es mesclar GT1, GT2 y NGT en todos los servidores.

Google translate :D
Ruben, you see in the picture.
Cars that are behind "S1" go to server 1, those who say "S2" go to server 2 and those who say "S3" go to the server 3.

The idea is to have GT1, GT2 and GTN on all servers.

[Rubén M. (MEX)]

Rubén, como verás en la imagen.
Los autos que tienen detrás "S1" van al servidor 1, los que dicen "S2" van al servidor 2 y los que dicen "S3" van al servidor 3.

La idea es mesclar GT1, GT2 y NGT en todos los servidores.

Google translate :D
Ruben, you see in the picture.
Cars that are behind "S1" go to server 1, those who say "S2" go to server 2 and those who say "S3" go to the server 3.

The idea is to have GT1, GT2 and GTN on all servers.

jejeje

非常感謝你，只是期待在這個名單，並想知道這意味著什麼'最後一欄。

Google translate :D

:thumb:

[commandermas]

ok, then server is assigned to each category of car?

I guess with server-1 GT-1 server-2 GT-2 and server-3 NGT ..

Am I right?

Will be assigned password for each?

no the fastest 33% percent of each class will race on server 1, the next 33% on server 2 and the rest server 3.

[Rubén M. (MEX)]

ok, well understood.

:thumb: thanks

[HL_Nano]

jejeje

非常感謝你，只是期待在這個名單，並想知道這意味著什麼'最後一欄。

Google translate :D

:thumb:


我已經回答 :really:

[Sir moi 407]

这很有趣，但有点偏离主题 :)

[Koa128]

What's all about with this translate-and-post-it-here thingy?

[commandermas]

don't really know :D

[buck77]

at what GMT/UTC time does the race start?

[DeadWolfBones]

18:00, read the rules.

[buck77]

18:00, read the rules.
sorry, dude...

*EDIT*

and thanks!

[manneF1]

I think it´s 17.00 UTC because here is UTC + 3 and it starts 20.00 here :shrug:

[MELENDEZ]

i have a question i made a lap to the quali 204 -R.MELENDEZ i want to now if this one have some problem or something because is not in the stands ...

thanks

204 R.MELENDEZ

[BreadC]

quali ended 5 days ago m8

[boothy]

i have a question i made a lap to the quali 204 -R.MELENDEZ i want to now if this one have some problem or something because is not in the stands ...

thanks

204 R.MELENDEZ

It helps if you read, you are in server 3...

[MELENDEZ]

It helps if you read, you are in server 3...

yes i now but mi quali pb is not that, thats is 29 204 - P. Martinez 1.55.82 S3 ......if you help me with that
my pb in quali was 1.53.86......
thanks

[exspeed]

yes i now but mi quali pb is not that, thats is P.Martinez ......if you help me with that

thanks
It's stated in the rules if 2 or more drivers quali for the same team(number) then the slower time will be used.

[MELENDEZ]

It's stated in the rules if 2 or more drivers quali for the same team(number) then the slower time will be used.

ok sry i didnt read that no problem see you in races

thanks a lot

[socmaster88]

I think it´s 17.00 UTC because here is UTC + 3 and it starts 20.00 here :shrug:

Nope it's still 18:00 UTC.

Check this out: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx

An example:

Race starts at 18:00 UTC
This means: 20:00 in Germany (UTC+2)
You in Finland already reached 21:00 (UTC+3)

any questions?

As i mad this post it's 16:18 here in Germany

[HL_Nano]

For compare UTC Time => Local Time check LFSWorld.net or just your LFS :tilt:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/HL_Nano/HorarioUTC.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/HL_Nano/UTC.jpg

[vicbel]

Thank YOU HL_Nano!!

[manneF1]

Nope it's still 18:00 UTC.

Check this out: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx

An example:

Race starts at 18:00 UTC
This means: 20:00 in Germany (UTC+2)
You in Finland already reached 21:00 (UTC+3)

any questions?

As i mad this post it's 16:18 here in Germany

Okay,im drunk:smileypul

[moppaking]

yes i now but mi quali pb is not that, thats is 29 204 - P. Martinez 1.55.82 S3 ......if you help me with that
my pb in quali was 1.53.86......
thanks

More than one driver qualified your team which was forbidden. Three drivers of your team did a lap time:
204 - R. Melendez
204 - V. Moreno
204 - P. Martinez

3.2.2 The number of laps in the qualification is limited to 60. Only one driver per vehicle can drive the qualification. For each lap driven too much, there is a penalty of one second to the respective fastest qualifying time of the car. The decisive factor is the evaluation of the lappers.

it was said that only one driver may qualify his team. We took the best time of your slowest driver as you had the advantage of 3*60 laps.

[lysergic]

@MELENDEZ: You must thanks 16h admins because they permit You to race! Respect rules = respect other drivers

[Makao]

I've got a question about name. One of our drivers isn't able to put his name with correct format because it's too long. And the question is how it should be?

221-L.Wojciechowski
221 - Wojciechowski

[socmaster88]

I've got a question about name. One of our drivers isn't able to put his name with correct format because it's too long. And the question is how it should be?

221-L.Wojciechowski
221 - Wojciechowski

display name doesn't really matter so i don't care :-). But i prefer 2nd ^^

[Makao]

Thanks.

[DeadWolfBones]

Any clarification on the disconnect/penalty issue?

[socmaster88]

as via mail

The most important thing. We changed a rule. You won't get a penalty for a disconnect. If you see someone you uses this as an advantage write a protest against that team.

[Wilko868]

Just a quickie, what will each race server be called?

Thanks

Chris

[Mister Pino]

(Offtopic) Can someone please kick LFS username pedrogama please? He can`t drive just testdriving here:shrug:

[DeadWolfBones]

as via mail

The most important thing. We changed a rule. You won't get a penalty for a disconnect. If you see someone you uses this as an advantage write a protest against that team.

Thanks very much!

[Mister Pino]

(Offtopic) Can someone please kick LFS username pedrogama please? He can`t drive just testdriving here:shrug:
Please? He`s anoying a lot of guys trying to practice

[Mister Pino]

Is taken care of :)

[Humbleridderen]

Well, I think I know, but could we have it clear..

In case there comes a safetycar period during the race, passing is not allowed, so it means also we cannot pass the slower classes to come up to the safetycar field. Correct?

[boothy]

Well, I think I know, but could we have it clear..

In case there comes a safetycar period during the race, passing is not allowed, so it means also we cannot pass the slower classes to come up to the safetycar field. Correct?

If you haven't read the rules you shouldn't be racing. Why would there need to be a SC in the race?

[socmaster88]

Well, I think I know, but could we have it clear..

In case there comes a safetycar period during the race, passing is not allowed, so it means also we cannot pass the slower classes to come up to the safetycar field. Correct?

There will be no SC period during the race.

[CSF]

I love the way the last e-mail was followed by another one! :D

[Humbleridderen]

If you haven't read the rules you shouldn't be racing. Why would there need to be a SC in the race?

I have read the rules, but missed that part, sorry, but good race to everyone :) :thumb:

[J@tko]

Admin on server ASAP pl0x.

[Aid]

what are the names of servers?

[Metalass]

Sry i can't find the teamspeak server for the race. Am i blind or did they forget to post it?

The Servernames are here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=62400)

[commandermas]

Teamspeak: 87.118.124.57:8765 pw: pm me

[Fuse5]

nice, according to the tracker, server 3 guys got a nice headstart.

[CSF]

16 hour races are no place for 11 year old kids. (cough Clockwork) How do we make a protest again?

Edit: CoRe should protest that stupid kid too for what he just did to them. Utterly pathetic.

[Fuse5]

Thanks a bunch for the damage Wilko. Nice job twatting up the arse as usual.

[commandermas]

protests per mail to 16hprotests@online.de

[BreadC]

this clockwork should just gtfo the server.. twats

[Fuse5]

Really really poor driving standards from GT2s in server2

You are not fighting for position with GT1s! For your own sake, make way!

[CSF]

protests per mail to 16hprotests@online.de

Please monitor car 261, he is driving disgracefully.

[Fuse5]

tracker is still on lap 35, dead?

[commandermas]

we have got small problems, we are working on it

[Sir moi 407]

Seems like it's working well now ;)

[moppaking]

is running again.

[Koa128]

It's not working very well for us... our car (#128) is now being showed as -16 laps when we were just -2 laps off pace...

[gangsteer]

1- Where appears the post to do the protests?
2- My team appears with 5 laps when I was the first one and did 28 laps.

:shrug:

[commandermas]

we are working on the tracker, so that it shows the correct results

[Psymonhilly]

is there an offical irc channel?

[commandermas]

no this year we don't have an irc channel

[DeadWolfBones]

Will shift-s/p penalties be applied after the race or during?

[commandermas]

after

[adamlfs]

Has S. "I need a poo" Williams fix his rather bad connection.. yet!

Its very hard to make a pass on him in that first 3 stints I had.

[Tomhah]

Has S. "I need a poo" Williams fix his rather bad connection.. yet!

Its very hard to make a pass on him in that first 3 stints I had.


You're not the only one who's afraid of that :P When I was gonna pass him, he dissapeard. Then... out of the corner, he just popped up RIGHT behind me xD I was scared to death :P

But I think he has. At least, he got to know that he lagged, so I guess he has tried to fix it. Im sorry ;)

[Bonetti]

Why do they know more than we do?

http://www.alternativegaming.de/index.php?content=artikel/news&id=125#comments

Regards
Bone

[BreadC]

trackers updated

http://16h.dms2003.org/

[commandermas]

the next days the last penalties will be added and the final result published

[kai0r]

there should have been written provisional but it's hard to tell people what a provisional result is or why it takes 1+ weeks to get the final result. But we hopefully don't have do edit the news :).

[commandermas]

it just takes more than one week, because there was a chance to hand in protests within the first week of the race :D

[Michalxo]

Just a question.. is there similar race to this which lasts for 24 hours like "real" LM? :)

or... maybe next year here? :)

[commandermas]

we are only doing our 16 hours races.

the last 24 hours race like "real" LM took place 2006 i think.

We won't have a 24 hours event.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Just a question.. is there similar race to this which lasts for 24 hours like "real" LM? :)

or... maybe next year here? :)

The Masters Of Endurance are holding a 24H race once a year, but since there are only 30 slots and since a lot of teams are interrested, only the upper elite can have a go.

There's also LTC organising a 24H one off event next week end(here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=67638)), although I have no idea how it'll be racing-wise... But the standards are gonna be a lot lower than in the 16 Hours' for sure:thumbsup:

[Timo1992]

Just a question.. is there similar race to this which lasts for 24 hours like "real" LM? :)

or... maybe next year here? :)


You should also keep an eye on the Desire of Patience Tour 2010/2011, they will have a 24h race with the GTR class, NGT class and LRF next year again, but as Yann said the Masters of Endurance 24h is of course more prestige and definitely one of the hightlights of the year in LFS.

[Flingoko]

Any server up yet? :P

[commandermas]

servers will come later this day

[Timo1992]

Just a suggestion to the rules.


I would prefer reset on during the race and if someone flips he can reset and gets a Stop & Go Penalty for this by the server admin.

That's really something I should have suggested earlier I know but it came to my mind yesterday. I mean wouldnt it be horrible if there is a team leading in GT1 for 13 hours without any Shift P or time out and then a fcking curb destroys everything, so with a stop & go they would have the opportunity to recover from their mistake and still be able to win the race.


Only my opinion, would be nice to hear what you think of it, commandermas? :)


Edit: Same rule was also in the last season of the LFS Endurance Series (http://lfsenduranceseries.forumpro.fr/) and it worked perfect there.

[Drift King CZ]

-1 on reset.

1st - Car might roll over and stay in the middle of track -> causing incidents.
2nd - The car would have to wait so long... It won't allow you to reset if there's a car coming.

[socmaster88]

There are always some issues with live penalties, you always need atleast 1 admin per server the whole time and what happens if an admin misses an reset?

[boothy]

Insim reports resets, so could be built into the tracker. But resets are a shit idea so don't bother.

[commandermas]

reset is a bad idea and will be misused

i will have a rulechange, so there will be less penalties for shift+s/p, just look into the rules

[Deutschland2007]

Any news about skintemplates yet?:tilt:

[pik_d]

Just in case people are having problems with AIRIO and defining the 16H cars here's an example of how to do it:

CustomCars=FX3|FXR,32,0 FX2|FXR,23,0 XR3|XRR,34,0 XR2|XRR,24,0 XR6|XRR,23,0 FZ3|FZR,28,0 FZ2|FZR,20,0 FZ6|FZR,19,25 FZ1|FZR,0,25 FZI|FZR,0,23 FXT|FXO,3,0

This has a few extra things, the standard GT2 and GT3 cars, as well as the FXO+3%, just to show the order you need to do things. The more restricted version of each car needs to go first, so GT3 -> GT2 -> 16Hours GT2.

Then add the following groups to your CarCategories= line:
GT6|FX2+XR6+FZ6
GT16|FXR+XRR+FZ1+FX2+XR6+FZ6 (This will obviously show GT1 and GT2 times together for some reason. Boothy's idea, blame him.)

You may also wish to add FZ1 to your GT1 category. FZ1 is the 16Hours defined FZR-GT1 car with 25kg ballast.

Hopefully this helps more than it confuses. :D

[Drift King CZ]

Why has to be the rear wing's bottom and sides green?
EDIT: I see, classes.

[commandermas]

correct :)

[Drift King CZ]

By the way, I think some teams might attemp to qualify with slow time to get in the slowest server so they won't have much battle and this will increase their chance to win. I don't really like this way and if it was me who decides, would definetly disallow it somehow. Just a suggestion.

You can compare qual times with race times. I mean, if some team did slow time in qual and they will run clearly faster in the race, they might be DQed or something. Something similar, some kind of penalty...

[commandermas]

i am working out something against this, as i saw it happening last year. But thank you for this idea, i will think about that.

[MoMo92i]

or maybe do something like poleman in 1st server, 2nd in 2nd server, 3rd in first server... ;)

[schumi91]

or maybe do something like poleman in 1st server, 2nd in 2nd server, 3rd in first server... ;)
+1

Was my first thought as well.:D

[commandermas]

then you won't have a real battle for victory...

we had this discussion as well ;)

[Razvan]

Im sorry, to interferee... your right, some teams might have done this, but if they do this, just let them, its plain stupid, and gives no benefits whatsoever

The main battle will be on server 1 anyway, and there will only be 1 winner

So... teams that go on server 2, or 3, and win there will have no rights.. its like winning in special olimpics...

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Im sorry, to interferee... your right, some teams might have done this, but if they do this, just let them, its plain stupid, and gives no benefits whatsoever

The main battle will be on server 1 anyway, and there will only be 1 winner

So... teams that go on server 2, or 3, and win there will have no rights.. its like winning in special olimpics...

I'm not sure you have totally understood the whole problem. In fact, there is no server based rankings in this event, but only one single general standings based on all servers.

For F1RST, the point of starting in server 3 last year was to get away from an early battle with the other contenders for the victory, and gaining precious times in the first hours because of this. In the end they finished 2nd overall, but it's difficult to say if their strategy had a big influence in their results.

I'm almost sure that none will try to do it this year, because the time gained in getting away from the other aliens won't be worth comparing to the time lost during the whole race with lapping very slow and not so much experienced people racing in server 3, since this track will be quite a pain with lappers:schwitz:

[CSF]

Well we probably lost the win in GT2 last year while in Server 1 because of some noob called Oskari Rinne, so it can happen in any server Yann. :razz:

Oh and Engine damage... Rudy's wheel...Rudy's mouse... Bread speeding in the pits... Bread timing out...


1s behind. How ****ing ridiculous.

[MoMo92i]

F1RST were crashed by a noob in server 3 and lost so much time because of bad behaviour on that server (I knowit I was racing the early hour there). Finally the time they gain at the begining of the race, they have certainly lost it because of the bad skills of the most part of the field. They would have better done to be in server 2.

[manneF1]

Well we probably lost the win in GT2 last year while in Server 1 because of some noob called Oskari Rinne, so it can happen in any server Yann. :razz:

Oh and Engine damage... Rudy's wheel...Rudy's mouse... Bread speeding in the pits... Bread timing out...


1s behind. How ****ing ridiculous.

Oh, thanks for birnging this up :shy:

[Drift King CZ]

reset is a bad idea and will be misused

i will have a rulechange, so there will be less penalties for shift+s/p, just look into the rules

IMO much more simple would be just put there that you can SHIFT+P anytime, but the penalty given will be 1 lap.

Also, do we have a practise server already?

[bhw1144]

trainserver

RacingMinds 16h 2010 Train

[SilverFang]

could we get 30 car grid to race? :)

[commandermas]

the grids will be distributed after the qualification. we will have enough servers, so that everyone who qualifies can participate in our race, so i don't know, if we will have 30 car grids

[d_cury]

trainserver

RacingMinds 16h 2010 Train
This server is not listed

[commandermas]

you shouldn't hide empty servers ;)

[d_cury]

No no!! the option empty was included :shrug:.
Dont worry!!, today i try again!

[commandermas]

hm i can join without problems

[HL_Nano]

HL Racing GT2 ready for run and waiting for skins aplications :nod:

[d_cury]

hm i can join without problems
ready my friend!! :thumb:

[d_cury]

HL Racing GT2 ready for run and waiting for skins aplications :nod:

Fine Nano!! very nice skin, like every year! :thumb:

and this is the SAT 2010 GT1

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6484/16hs12.jpg

[Drift King CZ]

No no!! the option empty was included :shrug:.
Dont worry!!, today i try again!

Why do you search for it when you know specific name of the server.

[d_cury]

Why do you search for it when you know specific name of the server.

ready my friend!! :thumb:

tkz! :thumb:

[HL_Nano]

Fine Nano!! very nice skin, like every year! :thumb:


Thank you!
See you on the track :thumb:

[Drift King CZ]

Walking around, when suddenly... UNIFIED IS TWICE IN THE GT2 LIST?! WAT?!!!1!

Or isn't it? Team»unified GT2 and Unified.

[commandermas]

i already know that, but i am not sure at the moment if it is both the same team, if it is, one of the teams will be deleted

[nikosk31]

I just saw a new team in GT1. HRteam...... Do you mind see if it's something wrong or it's a new team. the normal one (the one i created) is under the name Hellenic Racing team.

[phoenixIlooka]

I don't know, who "#233 Unified" has created. The teams of unified» are 109, 209 and 309

[michele0676]

One questione, there will be a special layout for the track ?

[commandermas]

there won't be a layout for the race, just for the qualification. I thank you for reminding me ;)

[michele0676]

One question.
In each server what about # of GT1 GT2 and NGT there will be ?

[commandermas]

about 10 cars per class

[nikosk31]

......so what about the one more server you had mention? Will you open it or no?

[commandermas]

we will have as many servers as we need, so that all registered teams can participate.

[nikosk31]

Now this is good news :)

[theodinho29]

95 cars atm ! YEAH ! :D

[prOmo_LTU]

Yea,so i'v got e-mail,and i would like to ask how to give team manager's status to other person. Basicly how to give team to another person to manage? Thanks.

[Flingoko]

Has anyone done some laps yet? What times for the different classes are expected? :smileypul

[ElonB13]

i think for the GT1 FXR is like 2:20.xx or something

[Damion1972]

I think if you drive a 2:20.xx with a GT1 car than you are damned slow.:)
A 2:17:6 is FXR WR so you could calculate +1-1,5 sec in race spees for top positions.:smileypul
It`s only what i think,but what is a good GT2 time it`s much more intresting for me.:D

[d_cury]

you're wrong. go 1.5 seconds slower than the WR on a track that takes no more than 1 minute 30 seconds, if
normal, now on this track more than two minutes the difference extends to at least four seconds, that I think

[DeadWolfBones]

as via mail

The most important thing. We changed a rule. You won't get a penalty for a disconnect. If you see someone you uses this as an advantage write a protest against that team.

Hi Admins,

Is this still true for the 2010 running?

Thanks!

[commandermas]

yes

[DeadWolfBones]

Thanks very much!

[michele0676]

For clear, so i can manage a team with at maximum 6 drivers, but ONLY 4 can drive the car ?

[michele0676]

Other question, if i've 5 driver in my team and the qualification will be done from the one driver that WILL NOT DO the race, it could be a problem ?

[Deutschland2007]

I guess the answers to those are yes and yes.

[boothy]

It says only 4 may drive the car, should be clarified whether it is in the race or the entire event including qualifying.

Also I disagree with your policy of adding 15s to the finishing time of a team for chat - a DT penalty (or even SG with the short pitlane) is fairer, as it affects the team in the race. You could have a situation where a team finishes just ahead of someone else on track, but the car behind has been lapped and thus 15s does not affect the car ahead. The tracker records all chat so it's easy to know who to give penalties to ;)

[N!ghtm@re]

Is there a way to change driver lineup after Friday, 8th October 22:00:00 UTC ???

[commandermas]

@ Nightmare: no, if you are unsure which 4 drivers can drive, you can announce more drivers for your team

@michele0676: yes it will be a problem. 4 drivers are allowed to drive, that is for the entire event.

[michele0676]

There is a skin base file fot GT2 ?

[commandermas]

in the templatepack are templates for GT1 and GT2

[michele0676]

Why in Team List the lastest are of a different color ?

All the signup are confirmed ?

[commandermas]

the latest teams are in another color, because we only opened 2 servers at first. But in fact we will have enough servers for all participating teams