A few questions

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Sorry if it is already mentionned somewhere, but is there a distance/time limit per driver? (for example, a rule forbidding a driver to drive more than XX% of the winner's overall distance on his own or something like that).

[commandermas]

no, but i doubt that one driver will drive fast and without mistakes after he has done 6 hours or so :)

[GreyBull [CHA]]

no, but i doubt that one driver will drive fast and without mistakes after he has done 6 hours or so :)

For sure, especially on such a challenging track:thumb:

[michele0676]

What about email about server qual details ? :)

[commandermas]

the servers are not online yet, but they will be ready with a lapper and so on.

an email will be send in about 2 hours.

[Locovich]

30 minutes to qualy and we didnt recieve the mail with details... can you please pm me?:schwitz: Thanks...

[jasonmatthews]

Don't we need TS details, as we are not allowed to chat on server?? <<< The no chat doesn't really make sense tbh on the 2 days qualy. People can block messages, and it will be so easy for people to make genuine mistakes in chat over a whole weekend....

[gangsteer]

Need psword and details of server, i don't receive pm or mail or something...:really:

[jasonmatthews]

I got the mail a few hours ago, but it went to my junk mail folder, so check there :thumb:

[gangsteer]

I got the mail a few hours ago, but it went to my junk mail folder, so check there :thumb:
Thanks turkey! i found there :thumb:

[Toffer2006]

all mails were send.

and please check your spam folder thanks:)


see ya on qualy server

[Tomhah]

Do we need to wear the skin for qualifying?

[jasonmatthews]

No afaik :)

[commandermas]

skins are not needed for the qualification

ts details are in the rules thread

[michele0676]

There is an airio page stat where i can see my number of laps done ?

[Toffer2006]

type !laps

[michele0676]

don't work.

[N!ghtm@re]

There is an airio page stat where i can see my number of laps done ?

Want to know that too....

IF theres now way to see my laps and I have to count them myself, does the out and inlap also count ?

[michele0676]

In LFSW your stats u can your LAP online today ...
But Airio count the lap in other way.
With Airio if u exit from pit and immediately re-enter in box = 1 lap.

[Toffer2006]

thats right if you leave the box and press than shift+p the lapper count +1 lap:)

but you have enough laps for a perfect time:)

[michele0676]

If i type !spb i can see my number of lap.

Is that value correct ?

[Toffer2006]

thats correct but !spb give you much more informations.
!laps show you just your laps

[michele0676]

!laps don't work for me.
I can see, with !laps, only my best time but no number of laps.

[Toffer2006]

we work hard for you to start the qualy tracker:)

the qualy tracker coming soon

[Toffer2006]

the qualy tracker is now available.

http://www.16h.dms2003.org/tracker.php

[Seb66]

can reset be turned on:x?

[Il Nonno]

Race 16h live streaming...? :really:

[commandermas]

can reset be turned on:x?

no

Race 16h live streaming...? :really:

we won't have one i think :(

[Seb66]

Could an admin please unban me? I've been banned due to low safety rating:x
I can only do laps tonight, so need to be unbanned asap :)

[jasonmatthews]

Guys, we need seb unbanned asap. He only has a few hours to set a lap. He cannot do this tomorrow...

If he isn't unbanned very soon, then we will have to give him another LFS account to use to set his laps.... It will then be up to you guys to sort the times. Ofc we will post here which account he will use...

[Seb66]

Going to use the account "WhoKnew" to set my laptimes since you guys haven't unbanned me:Looking_a

[jasonmatthews]

To make it clear, Seb had set the fastest in the server of 2:22.57 using account seb66. He then got banned for bad safety rating, which we made the admins aware of many many times beforehand. No admins are in teamspeak or on the server, so he is now setting times using the account name whoknew. (you can check the ip's to clear any doubt of using a different driver in your server log file).

We are going to have this problem very soon again with Isaac, who is dangerously close to getting banned aswell.

If you guys need help with fixing the airio cfg file to fix this, please pm me :)

[commandermas]

Everything is alright with seb, i saw that problem and tried to fix it, but didn't have the time to control if the fix worked.

i am sorry for that, i sent a private message and will fix it when i am back out of bed ;)

in every similar case it is ok to use another username after a small pm to me.

[jasonmatthews]

Thanks mate, everything is OK now.

[HL_Nano]

Race 16h remote?

[commandermas]

for the race there will be a remote for sure, but as the race servers are not online yet, there is no chance to have a remote for that now ;)

[michele0676]

One question, but there will be 1 tracker for all the server or 1 tracker for each server during race ?

If there will be 1 only tracker for all then teoretical all team in all pool could win the 16h, right ?

[Flingoko]

I can answer that one. Yes, there will be 1 overall tracker. So theoretical anyone could win. Last year, a team driving on server 2 won^^

[GreyBull [CHA]]

One question, but there will be 1 tracker for all the server or 1 tracker for each server during race ?

If it stays like it was last year, yes.

If there will be 1 only tracker for all then teoretical all team in all pool could win the 16h, right ?

That's it.

[Toffer2006]

yes we will have one tracker for both server.

but we have a new tracker version for you guys:D


be tense;)

[d_cury]

Unfortunately, the 267 team must announce its withdrawal from this edition, is absolutely personal problems by team members. Again we apologize and we'll see next year.:(

[SA-White]

We did not drive at qual time, but we are still coming to race. We have expressed ourselves as early as June, but now we are not displayed anymore. How do we take action now in this situation? Can you give me an answer

[boothy]

as you can see we still have 6-10 free spots, so if a team sends a full lineup until thursday 18 o'clock UTC to one of the admins, it can still participate in the race.

with friendly regards

the admins

:nod:

[SA-White]

Thx mate.. Message will be sented^^

[sjoblom]

Cant find any info regarding server names for each grid ...
Are the same servers opened for practise?

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Can we get the practice server password protected. Some moron is on there going the wrong way wrecking everyone out on track, lfsworld username "lerts"

[boothy]

You could always just come to the SR server, the password should be obvious ;)

[michele0676]

This night we'll do a simulation, starting about at 22 gmt+2 o'clock (20 utc).

Server: T.E.R. Corse Simulazioni
Pass: ask me in PM if u're interested. :thumb:

[Seb66]

This night we'll do a simulation, starting about at 22 gmt+2 o'clock (20 utc).

Server: T.E.R. Corse Simulazioni
Pass: ask me in PM if u're interested. :thumb:

How long is it going to be?:)

[michele0676]

Minimum 1 hour, but i think server will be setted with 2 o 3 hours race. :thumbsup:

[Toffer2006]

Can we get the practice server password protected. Some moron is on there going the wrong way wrecking everyone out on track, lfsworld username "lerts"


the practice server is password protected now!:)

pw= 16hpractice

[R.Kolz]

This night we'll do a simulation, starting about at 22 gmt+2 o'clock (20 utc).

Server: T.E.R. Corse Simulazioni
Pass: ask me in PM if u're interested. :thumb:

Mailbox a 100%? Can´t send you a PM..

[michele0676]

Sry mate ! I send u and i delete my mailbox old pms !

[commandermas]

This night we'll do a simulation, starting about at 22 gmt+2 o'clock (20 utc).

Server: T.E.R. Corse Simulazioni
Pass: ask me in PM if u're interested. :thumb:

if you wouldn't mind i would like to talk to you before, because it would be great if we could have a safetycartest :)

[michele0676]

Sure mate, we can speak in PM if u want.
There will be about 10 cars on track.

[Seb66]

Sure mate, we can speak in PM if u want.
There will be about 10 cars on track.

michele0676 has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

can you pm the password please :)?

[michele0676]

What ?
Very strange !
Server pass is 16htest

[michele0676]

Can u try to send me a pm now ?

[Seb66]

Can u try to send me a pm now ? yep seems to work now:) (Ignore my pm :P)

[CrAZySkyPimp]

How many warnings will teams get before they get penalized for repeated cutting? :scratchch Saw quite a few teams in that testrace tonight cutting T1 with all tires.

[michele0676]

I saw some guys with FZ2 too fast, they need add +50Kg of ballast ! :D:D:D

[michele0676]

Rudy i'm sorry for yesterday kick from server but u've to learn to respect other peoples. :nod:

[michele0676]

For the Admins:
- what about remote links ?
- the tracker link will be the same in official web page ?
- confirmed at 100% no streaming ?

[Toffer2006]

How many warnings will teams get before they get penalized for repeated cutting? :scratchch Saw quite a few teams in that testrace tonight cutting T1 with all tires.

we will discuss this later.

[manneF1]

Rudy i'm sorry for yesterday kick from server but u've to learn to respect other peoples. :nod:

Good for you, why the hell you posted that on this topic?

[michele0676]

Bad topic sorry, i thank this was the test race thread sry again.

[Cawwa]

Where can I find the password to our server2?

[michele0676]

One question.

If i flip out and i need to press SHIFT+P can i return to pit, change the fuel, then join and immediately change driver ?

[michele0676]

Or other questions:

if i flip ... and i press SHIFT+P ... can i go out from server and my team mate join or i need to ask the change driver ?

[sjoblom]

we will discuss this later.
Have u discussed it yet?
Thers a lot of time to save if you allow people to cut over the grass ... and lots of drivers getting mad if you allow it!

[Locovich]

We´re sorry to tell you that we´ll not take part of the race (car #210). We had a last minute trouble and some of our drivers can´t participate... so we´re out... a real pity... feel free to use our place for another team...

Sorry to tell you this so late...:(

[commandermas]

Have u discussed it yet?
Thers a lot of time to save if you allow people to cut over the grass ... and lots of drivers getting mad if you allow it!

we will have an admin looking at T1, if we see, that a team is permanently cutting that team will get a penalty. If you think there is a team that did not get a penalty but should have got one, you can send in a protest against that, we will have a look on that team again.

One question.

If i flip out and i need to press SHIFT+P can i return to pit, change the fuel, then join and immediately change driver ?

Or other questions:

if i flip ... and i press SHIFT+P ... can i go out from server and my team mate join or i need to ask the change driver ?

you may do what you want if you pressed SHIFT+P, but remember: there might be a protest filed in against you, if it seems, that you are winning time because of this

[Makao]

Few questions:
1. Are you going to warn about cutting or there will be penalty straight away and what kind of penalty? DT?
2. This shift+p rule if you can call it a rule is crazy, you should avoid that what happened on ALTERNATE 24 Hours of Aston GP, IMO you should make a clear statement about shift+p, penalty (for example +1 lap) or no penalty for shift+p. The second part of the question is how about timeouts? Are you going to penalize for that or not?
3. When are you going to send server password?

I think using MoE/IGTC/GTAL rules for timeouts would be good. I mean no penalty, only for intentional timeouts +1 lap. And +1 lap for every shift+p to avoid any unnecessary accusation about favoring one of the teams. Please consider this.

[kaynd]

3.3.4 Blue Flags have to be respected immediately after the first showing.
The only refferense I found on this was this aswer.

They have to be respected. The driver who wants to pass should not have a problem while passing, like we had it in the first year, where NGTs sticked to there line when GT1s tried to overtake.


I agree that blue flags should be respected, but is the driver in a slower car class expected to disappear from the track as soon as a car from a faster class approaches?

It's not that easy to give immediately way especially trough the turn complexes, driving LFS FWD cars... when you get only understeer while letting off the throttle. Not many lines to choose from.
You have to make a really slow corner entry in order to choose a line that doesn’t disturb a faster car through the corner. And this might be even more dangerous for the approaching car if that slowdown is not expected.

Especially between the GT2 and the NGT class there is not much high speed difference on the straights... but there is a huge difference in cornering speed… So lapping will happen mainly through the corners. This is going to be nerve wrecking :schwitz:

A more detailed opinion on that by the organizers would be nice.

[jasonmatthews]

It is my understanding that NGT's stick to their line. The lapping cars (GT1 and GT2) have to find a good place to pass them.

If you go slightly offline in UFR, you are going off in the next corner 50 metres down the track then on the grass causing no end of problems. Of course the NGT's should move over if possible, but I would think that it is the responsibility of the passing car to not even attempt it in the chicane's or corners.

[rcpilot]

Will there be an IRC channel this time around?

[rooney99]

I agree with Jason, it's impossible in the ngt car to suddenly pull out of a corner....the entry line is so crucial so that you don't end up causing a pile up after the corner/chicane. I hope the gt1/gt2 cars will understand this and show some restraint, it is a long race after all.

[commandermas]

Of course the NGT's should move over if possible, but I would think that it is the responsibility of the passing car to not even attempt it in the chicane's or corners.

that is what my quote should have meant. In the first year we had NGTs that totally sticked to their line and the faster cars had their problems to lap them

[commandermas]

Few questions:
1. Are you going to warn about cutting or there will be penalty straight away and what kind of penalty? DT?
2. This shift+p rule if you can call it a rule is crazy, you should avoid that what happened on ALTERNATE 24 Hours of Aston GP, IMO you should make a clear statement about shift+p, penalty (for example +1 lap) or no penalty for shift+p. The second part of the question is how about timeouts? Are you going to penalize for that or not?
3. When are you going to send server password?

I think using MoE/IGTC/GTAL rules for timeouts would be good. I mean no penalty, only for intentional timeouts +1 lap. And +1 lap for every shift+p to avoid any unnecessary accusation about favoring one of the teams. Please consider this.


1. if we see someone cutting all the time, he will get 1 warning, if he doens't stop cutting he will be penalized.

2. on this track it is really easy to flip. that costs much time and you don't need to penalize that further. if you see someone flipping shortly before their swap/pit stop you can send in a protest, we will have a look if that was a flip on purpose. (intentional timeouts/shift+p(s)/flips etc will be penalized for sure.)

3. when the admin who can send passwords to all is back :)

timeouts won't be penalized (at first) but if there is a protest because you think that it might have been an intentional timeout that team might get a penalty later (if we think that it was an intentional timeout)

[commandermas]

Will there be an IRC channel this time around?

the irc channel is in quakenet
#LFS-16h2010

but be a bit patient if you don't get an answer instantly :)

[commandermas]

16h Raceserver Password is the same as the qualification password

servers are:

16h 2010 Server 1 by RM
16h 2010 Server 2 by RM

[rooney99]

Which is?

[commandermas]

i won't post it on the forum

every team should have got it. we will send an email again.

if you didn't get the email for the qualification, look in your spamfolder

if there is no email, send me a pm

[michele0676]

Please mate resend the password ! I deleted the day after qualification ! :thumb:

[Cawwa]

16h Raceserver Password is the same as the qualification password

servers are:

16h 2010 Server 1 by RM
16h 2010 Server 2 by RM

:thumb:

[michele0676]

Utils Link:

CAN U active remote ?

Status Server 1:
http://www.lfsworld.net/pubstat/live_progress.php?host=16h+2010+Server+1+by+RM

Status Server 2:
http://www.lfsworld.net/pubstat/live_progress.php?host=16h+2010+Server+2+by+RM

Remote Server 1:
http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=16h+2010+Server+1+by+RM

Remote Server 2:
http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=16h+2010+Server+2+by+RM

[commandermas]

activated

[michele0676]

Great mate.

[Tomhah]

About cutting: Since you can cut T1 to the extreme, will the idiots (if there is any, hopefully not) who goes straight over the grass in T1, full throttle, get a penalty without warning, if it is intentional? Would been a bit stupid imo, if you can go straight over there 3-4 times intentional :P

[commandermas]

if there is anybody who tries that, he will get a stop and go instantly, because that is really really stupid.

[Tomhah]

ok, good:thumb:

[kaynd]

Of course the NGT's should move over if possible, but I would think that it is the responsibility of the passing car to not even attempt it in the chicane's or corners.
that is what my quote should have meant. In the first year we had NGTs that totally sticked to their line and the faster cars had their problems to lap them

Thanks for the clarification :)

[Commander]

About cutting: Since you can cut T1 to the extreme, will the idiots (if there is any, hopefully not) who goes straight over the grass in T1, full throttle, get a penalty without warning, if it is intentional? Would been a bit stupid imo, if you can go straight over there 3-4 times intentional :P

Awww man, you ruined my only chance to stay close to the field ;) Why else would we have chosen FXR? ^^

[KaiqueBRA]

I'm really sorry for the UFR i hitted. :x
Don't know if is the best place to put this.

[Timo1992]

It's definitely the worst place to put this in xD

But well good luck to everyone and have fun lolz

[sjoblom]

hmmm .. following LFS Remote on grid2 .. some drivers taking advantage of doing shift-p when they get into serious trouble with a heavy damage car (but still able to drive the car).
The way I read the rules it was not allowed to shift-P unless you were stuck in the gravel or laying on the roof?

[Makao]

hmmm .. following LFS Remote on grid2 .. some drivers taking advantage of doing shift-p when they get into serious trouble with a heavy damage car (but still able to drive the car).
The way I read the rules it was not allowed to shift-P unless you were stuck in the gravel or laying on the roof?
Protest them.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I'm really sorry for the UFR i hitted. :x
Don't know if is the best place to put this.


Must've been me.

Oh well, lost only 30-40 seconds since it was at the very end of my stint... I was about to pit in a few laps anyway... Could've been worse:thumb:

[misiek08]

Remote of server 2 dead?

[michele0676]

Mate the race was finished since 2 hours ago ...

[Commander]

Can anyone give me a brief update about the final (unofficial) results?

[If anyone kept track of them during the night]

[Kova.]

Unofficial result may coming this evening i've read ;)

[Toffer2006]

we have fixed the tracker problems.

all laps and times are now shown.

provisional results will available today

[michele0676]

Regarding my team some is wrong:
http://tracker.16h.dms2003.org/team_250.html

From the lap 266 ... i did about 25 laps, not only 16.
I'll check reply to confirm this. :thumb:

[michele0676]

Viewing the lap chart something is wrong, i confirm.
I think work are in progress :nod: so we have to be patient. :D

[commandermas]

it seems that some data is missing (some laps) but the total number of laps is correct. At the end of your laps you find 9 "0:00.00"-laps that are your missing 9 laps

[michele0676]

OK, so the complete calculation is right ? :)

[CrAZySkyPimp]

I see ineX-drivers in every classwin :smileypul:)

[Arni Arnason]

:nod:I see ineX-drivers in every classwin :smileypul:)

[SCA-F1]

Yeah, congrats ineX, great job at the end of the day. :) Would've been hard to match you in any class, but we enjoyed the fight in GT2. :thumbsup:

[commandermas]

OK, so the complete calculation is right ? :)

no not totally, at least one team is missing laps. We will add them for sure in the final result

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Yeah, congrats ineX, great job at the end of the day. :) Would've been hard to match you in any class, but we enjoyed the fight in GT2. :thumbsup:

Couldn't follow GT2 as much as I wanted but I heard you guys had a great battle going on there, grats to you guys aswell, well done!

[Michalxo]

Any info about next year's race? :-) :smileypul

[michele0676]

Yes, previsional track S06 !!!

:D:D:D:D:D

[GreyBull [CHA]]

South City would be too harcore IMO, though so4 could be an option perhaps. Blackwood is probably too short and too narrow for this stuff. Fern Bay has been used this year. Westhill is filled of blind corners and tricky places where you can easily spin the car, not to mention that the laps are rather short... so maybe not a good idea. as4/5/6/r is always good for multiclass racing but it's overused. Kyoto GP Long is mint but has been used back in 2008.

Why not Kyoto National, I rather dislike the track as it looks like a bit Tilke-ish(never liked rovals in fact), but it probably is the safest option out of the non-overused track. That said it'd be shorter than any of the track used in the past 16 hours races.

[Commander]

Westhill ftw ;) I fell in love with that track, my best results were always achieved on Westhill

[phoenixIlooka]

1. So 4/5/6 (r)
2. We 1 (r)

[commandermas]

What about Rockingham?^^

[Flingoko]

:thumb: although i still not believe it will be done :(

[DeadWolfBones]

We1r, imo.

[Cawwa]

Is there a place to see the reason to all those 30s penalty was handed out for and when it happened? Are they results of protests?

[boothy]

15s for chat

[Cawwa]

Is that all? So most teams have chatted two lines?

[boothy]

I dunno, go check for yourself. (http://tracker.16h.dms2003.org/racecontrol.html)

[Cawwa]

I just did ... gonna plaster up some fingers ... :D
Thx ... :thumb:

[commandermas]

protest will be viewed and discussed at the weekend, so most probably the final results will be released on Sunday evening.