Round 0a: Test Race Discussion

[dekojester]

Hello all:

As indicated in the emails to accepted and provisional accepted teams, there will be a test race held on October 24th, 2009.

This race is designed to be a final check of all procedures and services related to the series, and let teams get a chance to get used to our administrative style. For most, it is not mandatory to attend, but we would appreciate attendance. If you are a Provisionally Accepted Team, you are, however, required to attend the meeting if you are able to.

The details as we have them so far:

Date: 24 October 2009
Time: 17:30 UTC Qualifying, 18:15 UTC Race (Note: We will not have the qualifying on the preceding day for the test race.)
Course: Aston Grand Touring (AS6)
Duration: Qualifying for 30 minutes; Race for 2 hours
Notes: The race will start with a rolling start as per regular season procedure, and will also employ Safety Car Deployments. An "Artificial Caution" may be deployed at any time during the race to ensure practice in the procedure is gained. Round 0a is a Non-Championship Event. It will be considered an NDR-sanctioned event, and shall be treated as such.

Confirmations Thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=62330)

Skins Thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=62331)

Official Regulations (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=62289)

[Deutschland2007]

Do someone know what sort of laptimes are good round there? I unfortunately have absolutely no idea, and it wouldn´t be exactly that bad if I had a sort of benchmark.:)

[Makao]

FZR: mid 2.41

[oscarhardwick]

:O thats mightty quick... It would seem that i will be seeing alot of tail light then :) just make sure you make your skins very nice at the back then... I got a 2:43... and improving.

-- 07.10.09 -- I will be there, as should jake be... keith has pulled out with a pile of issues... so team sorting has hit me big time, may just be us 2 on the 24th... But... we will be there.

[Tomhah]

We'll be there :)

[dekojester]

Would anyone/everyone support a change of venue to Fern Bay Gold ? It's been suggested by a few that we do.

Any major objections, please post. Otherwise, we will very likely change to FE3 over AS6.

[oscarhardwick]

hmmm... i guess not... only that I prefer AS6 and have a race ready setup, strategy and race team for a race there... would mean lots of work... but, im not objecting if the majority want to run FE3.

Oscar.

[Deutschland2007]

Would anyone/everyone support a change of venue to Fern Bay Gold ? It's been suggested by a few that we do.

Any major objections, please post. Otherwise, we will very likely change to FE3 over AS6.

I would support that. FE Gold is my favourite track, and it´s amazingly good fun with the GT2s.:)

[dekojester]

I would support that. FE Gold is my favourite track, and it´s amazingly good fun with the GT2s.:)

And if people get through without failing then we expect that you can do everything else fine too. :razz:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Although I don't really wanna act like Timo(=get an other opinion than everyone else in order to be extremely annoying), I doubt this would be a good idea. Better train on a wide and long track instead of trying the most difficult venue of the season, considering that there will be quite a lot of inexperimented guys in the field:)

[Deutschland2007]

And if people get through without failing then we expect that you can do everything else fine too. :razz:

Why? FE3 is a very easy track. Well, atleast for me it is.:D

[aobrien]

AS6 is mint.. Keep it

[PMD9409]

Both tracks are good, but AS6 would show how good the balancing is a bit better.

[GianniC]

I support FE. At least I know how that track looks (there's sand and palmtrees, right?), while AS GP is totally unknown to me after more than 8 years of LFS playing (I know, the track is less old, but I can't be bothered to look up the exact introduction date - still morning for me, glah!) :shy:

[oldnavy]

Would anyone/everyone support a change of venue to Fern Bay Gold ? It's been suggested by a few that we do.

Any major objections, please post. Otherwise, we will very likely change to FE3 over AS6.
would be very cool :)

[Deutschland2007]

I support FE. At least I know how that track looks (there's sand and palmtrees, right?), while AS GP is totally unknown to me after more than 8 years of LFS playing (I know, the track is less old, but I can't be bothered to look up the exact introduction date - still morning for me, glah!) :shy:

If you want to know it: AS Grand Touring and AS North were together in the same patch than the BF1, which was released in 2006 :)

[R.Kolz]

"And will also employ Safety Car Deployments.."

I guess unlike past season you´re planning on using the SC not only for the start procedure but during the race as well like IGTC.

In this case we´d prefere AS6...

[Tomhah]

+1 to AS6

[cmckowen]

+1 to AS6 for all the track space.

If it is to be FE3 then no problems really.

[oscarhardwick]

+1 to AS6, its just a wider better track for getting used to the system

[boothy]

Practicing for and racing in a test race on a track which won't be used in the actual season is just stupidity beyond words. Big wow, AS6 is wide, great, until you get to BL1R, FE3, SO4R and realise these tracks are a lot smaller, then you're ****ed, might as well get used to smaller tracks. And there's a reason IGTC held their test race at their round 1 track. So long as we have the test race at one of the tracks we're racing on then I'm happy.

[Gil07]

AS6 isn't even on the calender, why would you do a test race there?? Just go with the first track of the season, BL1R. Would help with the preparation as well. Otherwise nobody will practice for a pointless test race and nobody gains anything.

[ivantod]

^^

+1

[oscarhardwick]

hmmm... there is logic to that... ill bump to test at an actuall sceduled track... not neccassarily BL1R.

[hyntty]

What's the point of first holding a test race, and then have effectively that same race again in a few weeks?

No wai smartarses.

[ivantod]

then put some other track,which is in a race calendar :)

[Gil07]

What's the point of first holding a test race, and then have effectively that same race again in a few weeks?

No wai smartarses.

The point is to test! Duh! :x

[oldnavy]

What's the point of first holding a test race, and then have effectively that same race again in a few weeks?

No wai smartarses.
because there is motivation to train :D

[luki97]

Test race is mainly for a teams who are not accepted yet, so if you are in one of accepted teams you musn't drive test race or if you want you can drive it without any prepare because everybody is preparing to BL1R because everyone want to best begin of this season so test race is something like for fun race for teams who are in GTAL 2010.

[boothy]

if you are in one of accepted teams you musn't drive test race

That looks like it's been pulled straight from your arse.

or if you want you can drive it without any prepare because everybody is preparing to BL1R because everyone want to best begin of this season

Right so the teams who aren't yet accepted will be at an unfair disadvantage since they have to prepare for 2 races on 2 different tracks? :really:

[oldnavy]

test race should be to check all the system and so on to admins and to be sure for teams that they are doing everything right

[fadeaway]

First, i agree about AS6, its not in schedule, why race it.. Then, if not first track, why not some wide (easy) track from the rest of season, lets say ky3 or ky2? I really don't like the idea of FE3 in test race..

[luki97]

Right so the teams who aren't yet accepted will be at an unfair disadvantage since they have to prepare for 2 races on 2 different tracks? :really:

Test race is not for points, teams who aren't yet accepted musn't win this race or take a very good result, they need to show that they are good enough to race and can read the rules before;) .

[Bmxtwins]

TBH AS6 is the best combo of tight and wide turns. Will show whos the best. Keep it good choice NDR!

[oscarhardwick]

yeh... but its not practice... its just racing. The whole object of the excersize is practice

[[GT]sannjx(EST)]

:DSo , Where's the Test Race is ? AS6 or FE3 ??

[Lombardi]

+1 to AS6 , after 16h race (AS7R) we all get much experience.

[HVS5b]

AS6 is mint.. Keep it

Aye, keep it as is :thumbsup:

[dekojester]

As posted in balancing thread, the test race will stay as AS6. We believe it will be a sufficient measure of how restrictions are to give us a better base of restrictions. We hope to have some useful extra data gained from that.

During this week and next, we may be asking some teams to assist in confirming ballasting.

Confirmations for the test race will open later in the week.

d

[oscarhardwick]

now that LLM are on the PA list... that means that they must race there, yes? also, can you get back to me on the other drivers applied in sight of keith leaving? Will it have to be them who drive in the test race?

thanks,

Oscar.

[Flingoko]

Is there any practice server for GTAL?

Or do we have to practice on our own? :D

[bunder9999]

no i didn't.

[dekojester]

there are a couple on the server list, but i just set one up too. :shrug::thumb:

I'll be taking our Public Server offline for a while until we get servers sorted out...that one will be made into NDR|GTAL 2010 overnight tonight.

d

[fadeaway]

Is there any practice server for GTAL?

Or do we have to practice on our own? :D

You can practice on our SHDTeam GTAL server that will be up, with current combo, during the whole championship. :)

[prOmo_LTU]

+1 for AS6 :)

[dekojester]

I have built a small layout for the course. It is up on the NDR|GTAL 2010 server. I have also uploaded it to the OP.

[[GT]sannjx(EST)]

Hi .

Test Race Qualf is on Friday ?

[dekojester]

sannjx(EST);1286031']Hi .

Test Race Qualf is on Friday ?

Time: 17:30 UTC Qualifying, 18:15 UTC Race (Note: We will not have the qualifying on the preceding day for the test race.)

As the OP states, the qualifying will not be held on Friday for the Test race. It will be held, for test race only, immediately prior to the race.

[Scott Mckenzie]

Forgive me if I have over looked it, but is qualifying for the test race run under 'hardcore' conditions, or is it just;

Only shift-p or s from in the pit lane. Anywhere else will end your session.

[J@tko]

Forgive me if I have over looked it, but is qualifying for the test race run under 'hardcore' conditions, or is it just;
It'll be hardcore, yes :nod:

[dekojester]

It'll be hardcore, yes :nod:

Insofar as you will only be allowed to shift+p/shift+s from within pitlane as per the regular rules.

d

[Gil07]

Jonesy, J. Laurila, FIN

:ices_rofl

[J@tko]

Insofar as you will only be allowed to shift+p/shift+s from within pitlane as per the regular rules.

d
You know I meant that :hide: :D

[PaulC2K]

:ices_rofl
Its geniune, he's wanted to compete in a series using clutch and H-box for a while without it making him completely uncompetitive. If he was allowed to at least participate in the test race, in a 2nd car (ie we'd prove our application with 4 people) then at least he can be assessed properly.
He's also not looking to do the whole season, just a race here n there. We kinda need the experience ourselves too, which is ultimately the reason were doing it, jonesy asked us to see if it was possible to compete under those circumstances, thats it.

[hyntty]

Its geniune, he's wanted to compete in a series using clutch and H-box for a while without it making him completely uncompetitive. If he was allowed to at least participate in the test race, in a 2nd car (ie we'd prove our application with 4 people) then at least he can be assessed properly.
He's also not looking to do the whole season, just a race here n there. We kinda need the experience ourselves too, which is ultimately the reason were doing it, jonesy asked us to see if it was possible to compete under those circumstances, thats it.

Well personally I have nothing against it if there is room in the test round... I'm sure D &J will have a look.

Did you actually ask anyone beforehand or just post a confusing lineup here? (I've been afk for a week so I don't know :P)

[GianniC]

Well personally I have nothing against it if there is room in the test round... I'm sure D &J will have a look.

Did you actually ask anyone beforehand or just post a confusing lineup here? (I've been afk for a week so I don't know :P)

Line-up has been correctly submitted as requested by NDR; this is done by e-mail, correct heading, ect...

[hyntty]

Line-up has been correctly submitted as requested by NDR; this is done by e-mail, correct heading, ect...

Ignore what I said above. I missed a bit :D

[PaulC2K]

I havent been doing any of the communications, but going by the time of the lineup being posted in here, and the MSN conversation pecker pasted me from JP saying he (pecker) might be too experienced, but he'd look into it with the others... im guessing NDR have Jonesy's name, as when jonesy asked about getting involved pecker wasnt on our list of drivers interested, but pecker mentioned he wanted to do it but probably couldnt because he'd done some MoE GT2 races. At that point both names were added to the list to be looked into by NDR, and i gather both of those and myself are just waiting on those results.
I've done 2 rounds of MoE, 07/08 12h & 24h rounds, 2hr in both, and easily the slowest in both. This being the first season of the GT2 class, at a time when we already had 8+ other team drivers invested in both races and were trying to do things in-house. These days its more commonplace to borrow people to put out the strongest team, than use your own drivers to get your results, its become so competitive to do otherwise really, esp when capable teams are bailing on GT1 cos they can get success easier in GT2. :(

but as i say, not 100% sure, im not even aware of the correct procedure, but im pretty sure it was in JP's hands as he'd spoke to pecker about his name being on the list around 1am last night.


edit:
seems our forum has a post from 8am...
You are permitted to use all drivers on the roster for the test race unless we tell you otherwise. We will inform you of the ability of Paul Chapman, Jonathon Pickard, and Joona Laurilla within the next 48 hours.

[J@tko]

Confirm that, mail sent "18 October 2009 23:59:31" :)

I assume d will discuss it with me when he awakes from the dead :tilt:

[three_jump]

Could we somehow make the ndr server a private one to get some proper races?

[dekojester]

Could we somehow make the ndr server a private one to get some proper races?

I'll take care of it overnight. I'll set a password and email it to all team managers who I have on file.

Also, the discussion of n\ drivers has been moved here so as to keep the confirmations thread clean.

d

[Bmxtwins]

Hey guys this is a question to the admins. Are we allowed to only enter 1 driver for the GTAL 0a event? Or must i enter a minimum of 2 drivers into the race

[dekojester]

Hey guys this is a question to the admins. Are we allowed to only enter 1 driver for the GTAL 0a event? Or must i enter a minimum of 2 drivers into the race

You can enter one driver for the test race only, we will not enforce the 75% rule. We do however prefer that you have at least two drivers. The more the better so we can see as many drivers as possible. The more you show us will be better for any applications "On The Bubble" - we're looking for stability/consistency within those teams in this event.

[Bmxtwins]

Yeah one of my drivers ,who is 75% better then me, is not going to be able to race that race and I just want to make sure before i allow our backup drivers to race the test race.:thumbsup:

Thanks for response

[dekojester]

A few points to make here:

I have emailed the server password to the email that is on file from applications. This is generally the team manager or vice-manager. If you need it and can't get it from the person who has it, PM me or J@tko or Wilko868, they'll also have it.

For those who know or are wondering about GTAL Optional Entry Fees, I will be sending out messages after the testrace to all accepted teams about them. They are optional, but we encourage you to make the contribution.

Skinkit will be made available after testrace.

The IRC regulation is effective for the test race. We'll be in #ndr on irc.gamesurge.net.

The admins will be available if needed in Ventrilo, at denmark.ventriloservers.biz port 3828

Remember to post your 2048x2048 skins !

d

[GianniC]

Just wondering:

Your ending position in the testrace is not that important right, but your pace, behavior, following rules, ect... do is ? Just asking cause we'd be inclined to make maximum use of this testrace and would think on doing small stints, lots of pitstops and put in some "unexpected" disconnected for ourselfs in; to see how good and fast we respond, ect...

:tilt:

[dekojester]

Just wondering:

Your ending position in the testrace is not that important right, but your pace, behavior, following rules, ect... do is ? Just asking cause we'd be inclined to make maximum use of this testrace and would think on doing small stints, lots of pitstops and put in some "unexpected" disconnected for ourselfs in; to see how good and fast we respond, ect...

:tilt:

Yes, just because a high finish is attained doesn't mean we'll let you in. You could win, but if you only ran ne driver, but a team came in 6th and ran 4 of 5 drivers, we'd be more inclined to allow the 6th place team in over the 1st.

We want to see that teams can follow the rules, can behave well, and generally are sporting and courteous.

I do advise against intentional disconnects though, as I don't wish to risk any possible disruptions to other teams on track.

d

[GianniC]

Allright, thanks for clearing that up.

With intentional disconnects I more mean suddenly pitting ourselfs and then shouting over teamspeak to eachother that the backup guy needs to take over asap :razz: Obviously nothing will be done which can in the slightest way affect others.

[dekojester]

Allright, thanks for clearing that up.

With intentional disconnects I more mean suddenly pitting ourselfs and then shouting over teamspeak to eachother that the backup guy needs to take over asap :razz: Obviously nothing will be done which can in the slightest way affect others.

We will be enforcing the shift+p/shift+s == DNF routine in this race. :razz:

You are, of course, welcome to try that stuff on the server before and after the official sessions.

[prOmo_LTU]

Could we somehow make the ndr server a private one to get some proper races?

+1 for that,cuz a lot of noobs are joining and we couldn't practice descentley :):Looking_a:shrug:

[dekojester]

+1 for that,cuz a lot of noobs are joining and we couldn't practice descentley :):Looking_a:shrug:

Password has been set on the server now, and Airio is on.

Whoever applied for the season has the password. If you can't get it from them and want to get in, ask any member of NDR via PM. They have it. Usernames to ask there (I'll give the most reliable ones other than me, in order :P ) J@tko, TFalke55, Wilko868, hyntty, Timdpr, JO53PHS.

[Scott Mckenzie]

Can we do some rolling start practice before the race? I think it would be good practice for those of us who have never done anything like this before.

I think we'd just need a SC driver (preferably a NDR driver) and 10 or so drivers. You could announce this as a 'official practice' session, that should get the numbers up. We could run qualifying using the test race specifications, go into a rolling start and then a 10+ lap race.

[J@tko]

(preferably NOT a NDR driver)
Edited for you :D

This is a good idea. We could have a go when everyone appears to practice on server on Saturday, or have a little go on Friday night if anyone's around? [Or earlier? It's just me and chris are busy weekdays :/]

[Wilko868]

(I'll give the most reliable ones other than me, in order :P ) J@tko, TFalke55, Wilko868, hyntty, Timdpr, JO53PHS.
I'm sorry, but i'm more reliable that Thilo. :razz:

It's just me and chris are busy weekdays :/
I can do anything on any weekday except on Tuesdays.

[hyntty]

I'm sorry, but i'm more reliable that Thilo. :razz:


Plus one (?) I'm only unreliable in case I don't actually get the message due to the fact that I need to shoot people every once in a while (!!).

Anyway, if my application for a day off convinces the Captain, I could do thursday evening even.

[Scott Mckenzie]

Edited for you :D

Haha. :thumbsup:

Thursday evening would be the best weeknight for me, although running through the procedure on Saturday wouldn't be a bad idea. I'll keep my eyes open for an announcement if you decide to go ahead with it.

[JO53PHS]

(I'll give the most reliable ones other than me, in order :P ) J@tko, TFalke55, Wilko868, hyntty, Timdpr, JO53PHS.

I like how you have ended on a high point, going from least reliable to most reliable :thumb:




:schwitz:

The only reason Jack is supposedly reliable is because he is in the doss years of School where he only has to go to school for about 3 hours a week, and thus has more time than me for NDR :doh:

[J@tko]

The only reason Jack is supposedly reliable is because he is in the doss years of School where he only has to go to school for about 3 hours a week, and thus has more time than me for NDR :doh:
You are kidding me right? :D I'd go back to Y11 any day - GCSEs are a bloody doss :tilt:

[hyntty]

Whatever dudes...

BTW feel free to check the tracker (http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/) in advance to see how badly we've spelled your name. I'm sure you can all see D can't spell *cough cough*

[TypeRacing]

Whatever dudes...

BTW feel free to check the tracker (http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/) in advance to see how badly we've spelled your name. I'm sure you can all see D can't spell *cough cough*
W000t, you even spelled Østgaard's name right.
Everything seems allright with SRLT and Tiger Express :thumb:

[hyntty]

W000t, you even spelled Østgaard's name right.


Well, ironically the only thing misspelled that caught my eye is "dimesnion" :really:

[boothy]

go edit it then :p

[niels1]

Well we have a long test run on Aston with GT2 setup. And the fastest FZ is 2 seconds faster a lape. Is this the restriction we gonne use for the testrace ??. A bit odd having the FZ being 2 sec faster on a track. :shrug:

[PaulC2K]

And your comparing who with who exactly?
This'll be fair and balanced comparison im sure :p

[z-ro 8]

And your comparing who with who exactly?
This'll be fair and balanced comparison im sure :p


you do have a point....heh heh

[z-ro 8]

Effective immediately, participants in the 2010 GTAL test race can join the RSRadicals Race Server for pre-race practice and pre-swap warmup.

Server will be passworded to match the NDR|GTAL 2010 server for convenience.

You can get the Password from your Team Manager

If you have any questions, feel free to post them here.

Good Luck all!!

[niels1]

And your comparing who with who exactly?
This'll be fair and balanced comparison im sure :p

Well thats funny thats you and Eisbauer. You running a 2:39:41 in a FZ2 and eisbauer running 2:41:18 with the FX2. Thats been taking after a couple of nights so it aint the first race people did. :shrug:

[GianniC]

Well thats funny thats you and Eisbauer. You running a 2:39:41 in a FZ2 and eisbauer running 2:41:18 with the FX2. Thats been taking after a couple of nights so it aint the first race people did. :shrug:

I'm running 2:43-44 in a FZ2 :shrug:

[niels1]

Yeah I aint running those times. but we seen a lot of drivers being capable of these times. My only point is the 2sec gape a lape between a FX2 and a FZ2.

[Wilko868]

FX2 has always been uncompetitive and will continue to be so in the future I think.

It's a shame it can't be competitive, but it's very hard to balance fairly without it being miles quicker or miles slower.

[fadeaway]

Did anybody managed to do 39 with XRR?

[hyntty]

FX2 has always been uncompetitive and will continue to be so in the future I think.


About half the rounds I drove last season Fxr was competitive.

Though I only drove 2 rounds last season...

[Tomhah]

yupp, it was cometitive indeed. I drove both SO and KY with it, and on SO, it was super-fast. It was slower at KY ofc, but still good for a top 5-10.

[hyntty]

I would have dug up the quali times but apparently there are no stats saved :really:

The race however (GTAL 09 R4):

1. E-Team 110 Laps
.
7. Scuderia Forza +2 laps
24. Griffin SimRacing DQ

[luki97]

Date: 24 October 2009


Bad date for polish people because tonight Andrew Golota fights with Tomasz Adamek on polsat boxing night:D

[Znabb]

As Cawwa has mentioned elsewhere on this forum IRM will not be able to race this evening.
May I as an IRM driver join the server tonight and spectate for learning purposes?

/Ronny

[GreyBull [CHA]]

I would have dug up the quali times but apparently there are no stats saved :really:

The race however (GTAL 09 R4):

1. E-Team 110 Laps
.
7. Scuderia Forza +2 laps
24. Griffin SimRacing DQ

SF couldve done better without a puncture anyway:)

Also, for the record, Tommy set the 2nd fastest lap(out of 50!) of that race for GSR, without even driving a whole stint.

[hyntty]

;1292201']SF couldve done better without a puncture anyway:)


You mean "could have done better without Niko" right?

[J@tko]

As Cawwa has mentioned elsewhere on this forum IRM will not be able to race this evening.
May I as an IRM driver join the server tonight and spectate for learning purposes?

/Ronny
You can race on your own if you want to :tilt:

[hyntty]

You can enter one driver for the test race only, we will not enforce the 75% rule.

.

[JO53PHS]

Btw, FWGAFF, I will not be at GTAL tonight (?) because someone else will most likely be hogging the one computer now in my house. And LFS at 18 FPS is useless anyway :doh:

[Znabb]

You can race on your own if you want to :tilt:
I took for granted that the 75% rule was enforced. Better start preparing for the race then. :)

[AstroBoy]

Isnt it race time already, im bored!

[J@tko]

Lots of people don't seem to have the password for the server - either:


Ask your team manager, or ask your team manager to check their e-mailz
PM me :)

[Wilko868]

Btw, FWGAFF, I will not be at GTAL tonight (?) because someone else will most likely be hogging the one computer now in my house. And LFS at 18 FPS is useless anyway :doh:
Good. :razz:

[Znabb]

I have read through the rules and can't find what the correct procedure is if I should get disconnected during the race.
Coud somebody enlighten me please.

[J@tko]

Skin pack [Not to be confused with the soon-ish-to-be-released skin KIT] is here: http://www.filefront.com/14784723/Round%200%20dds%20pack.zip

Unzip to your LFS Directory [i.e where your data folder is] and it'll put them all in skins_x :thumb:

[jakeeatworld]

hey NDR, is there a tracker available?
Thx Jake

[J@tko]

http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/

[AjRose]

Whats with the tracker?

Time Remaining: 13 minutes and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds and 25 seconds

[TexasLTU]

tommy u so pwn :O

Grats SRLT :thumb:

[jakeeatworld]

may car #95 - Windstyle racing shift+P because of a broken engine?

[J@tko]

may car #95 - Windstyle racing shift+P because of a broken engine?
No.

[dekojester]

I'll get teh server side replay and post it later tonight.

I must be off to a football (soccer) game.

Tracker should reflect provisional results shortly. Thanks to all for racing !

d

[GianniC]

Good race everyone, I'll write up a report soon.

Just in general I'd already like to make a remark: work on your "tyre heating" please. Speeding up - braking - speeding up - braking - speeding up - ... is not really how you have to do that. Especially not if you speed up in a turn and on the straight afterwards really go stand on the brake back to like 50 km/h. Not only dangerous, but I doubt it has any (positive) effect on your tyres.

Thanks NDR admins for hosting, was a decent first endurance racing experience.

[TypeRacing]

Yeah, little story too. Qual was bad, tryed two aero sets, both sucked. So 18. place from qualification. As you know there was lot of laps behind SC, around 6-7. Becose that I didn't get right rhythm. After 45minutes I really get into the rhythm and beated my PB. Then I drived 1h and 15minutes and after that my tires wasen't allright. I was in 4th place. It's was time to swap places with Yann. He did good job and Tiger Express finished in 6th position. :)
SRLT Team radio after race (http://simracing.lt/we.wav)

[buck77]

you guys REALLY have to learn how does a SC LAP and a START works...

it's just a complete mess starting from the middle of the field!
and i'm telling you, THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT...

we just have to be a bit more organised and quit breaking so hard to gain tyre temperature... once you have a HUGE gap from the car in front of you guys, you just want to get faster until reach that car! and than BREAKING HARD is the only possible way to avoid YOUR crash with him... but you forget about the ones behind you! and it all turns in a HUGE MESS in a presentation lap! ¬¬'

that is VERY VERY sad to watch... you guys are fast on track but during slow laps, most of you act like amateurs!!

[AjRose]

The big gaps were really frustrating me. There's nothing worse than starting 20 seconds further behind because someone can't keep up on the SC laps.

Thanks to the Race Directors for calling off the start due to the gaps.

And please for the next race keep the gaps smaller.

[oldnavy]

tommy u so pwn :O

Grats SRLT :thumb:
2nd team 6th place in FXR was more impresive

[AjRose]

2nd team 6th place in FXR was more impresive

Agreed. They drove a great race.

[Tomhah]

yes. This was INCREDIBLE :) With 15 laps before the qualy, I was hoping for a top 5, as I didnt really know how hard the competition was, so I didnt want to expect too much. 4th place in qualy was okey. I knew I could have done better, but as I hadnt even tried the q-set before the qual, I was pretty happy too. The race went perfect. 1st stint was kinda good. I were just chilling out in the 2nd stint, while even talking some on MSN. Was just getting the car to the finish line, which I did. Although it got exciting when 7 mins was left. Two cars were in front of me, and the first guy spun, while the 2nd guy went into the tires. I avoided both of them, but of course, a tire was left in the ideal-line, where I came. I hit the tire, and it made me spin. But yeah, I was able to take the win :)

Grats to the podium! And of course Tiger Express, for their awsome 6th place. Well done!

[Buzzn]

Tnx to all teams for a great race :)

And tanks to NDR for a great event :)

[andRo.]

Tommy, grats! Very nice racing from you, and also K.O'Keefe, he was like one of the last, and then after ~10min he got up to 8th or smth. like that. :D

Khem, khem, I'll better not talk about 4SRT. :D

We will try practicing for the first round, lol. We always forget to practice, what can you do. :shrug:

BTW, what's wrong with the tracker? We finished 17th, but it shows we finished 20th. :( And we also didn't have any penalties which could cause us to get lower place.

[racer hero]

CoRe had a disconnect and we got 7th, so thats one of the 3 spots your down.

[StableX]

thanks for the racing everyone......

[andRo.]

So, does it mean that we actually finished 20th, or does it mean that we finished 17th like we did? I'm a bit confused, sorry. It's late night for me, brains not working...

[racer hero]

You finished where the tracker said you did, because of times outs etc.

[andRo.]

Okay, thanks. :thumb:

[de Souza]

For a first time with a wheel I guess I was ok. Spun in the pace lap :D but with the wrecking later on that lap I didn't lose any positions.

Then at some point there was a car PARKED on that fast corner after the first split. Didn't save the replay so I'm waiting for the official one to see who it was. Am I allowed to file a report after the race?

Near the 1h mark my inputs froze and there was nothing I could do. Sorry for spectating but it was too dangerous.

[oscarhardwick]

Well, firstly, a thank you to everyone for organizing, participating and niko for putting up with me. That was my first endurance experience and the longest I have driven straight in LFS... ever (i think) I loved every second of it. Its a shame that 4SRT went to last in a LAG incident, although, It benefitted us more than just racing with the pack, not only did it make us really look at what we could do, but we treated the 2nd stint as a tyre testing stint. I think we decided that really, we turned up with the wrong set and the wrong tyres :L ah well, made keeping it on the gray stuff all the more challenging. Im happy with 20th, Andris might not be, but to bolt up from last... :) its a nice feeling. Anyhow... 4SRT will be going to round one high on a mix of testing and preperation.

Oscar.

[PMD9409]

May I suggest a new word for some people look up the definition to. This word is patience. :razz:

Jokes aside, I was watching this on and off on remote and I saw alot of aggressive moves that were done that included contact. I'm not saying alot of people were this way, I'm just pointing to the fact that some looked as if they had to make moves when really it wasn't needed. This is endurance races after all, so you have plenty of time to make your moves.

Just a piece of advice.

[AstroBoy]

Hehe paitence thats a nice word :D

The XRR got completetly hammerd, whether this was down to poor setup or driver choice is debatable, i know i didnt run as well as i could of but still it happens.
I enjoy last night(this morning) only downside was the rolling start and the absolute fail that got my car mangled for being in the right place wrong time.

Looking foward to R1 just hope i will do better.

Also can we change our car selection before R1?

[dekojester]

Also can we change our car selection before R1?

Yes. We will be amending the restrictions for the XRR after this race a bit.

Car choices can change up through your first on-track session of Round 1. after that, any change you make nullifies any points or qualifying time up to that point.

d

[three_jump]

When will the complete team list be annouced?

[dekojester]

When will the complete team list be annouced?

As soon as we decide on it. I hope that that's out by Wednesday at the latest.

d

[N!ghtm@re]

Where can i find the skin pack ? I want to watch the Replay :)

[pik_d]

Where can i find the skin pack ? I want to watch the Replay :)
Here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1292479#post1292479

[hyntty]

Where can i find the skin pack ? I want to watch the Replay :)

I was wondering why you wanted hi-res skins but then I realized no one was arsed to upload the regular ones to lfsw :D

Btw for the real rounds you must upload your skins to lfsw.

[andRo.]

Yes, but then the skins are bad quality, so you would still have to download them from here, wouldn't you? Otherwise, there is no use of the high-res skins...:shrug:

[dekojester]

Yes, but then the skins are bad quality, so you would still have to download them from here, wouldn't you? Otherwise, there is no use of the high-res skins...:shrug:

There is also no use of the high-res skins if the drivers use a different name for their skin in game. You must post the highres skin here, it's for any other needs we have. People can choose to download them if they want things to look better, or they can just use whatever download setting they have on LFS.

Highres skins are put in a broadcast computer and also used when we do media related stuff. But it's to give a choice to racers. They can use the default skin system or they insert those skins.

Even if the skins are on LFSWorld, the download can be ignored if the skinpack is extracted into the data/skins folder. When you start LFS after downloading and extracting, it will convert them to dds, and viola, it's good to go.

[Znabb]

With short preparation I was satisfied to quali on p22.

The race itself was a really short one for me. 15 min into the race i lost connection and it stayed down for the rest of the evening so it must have been a major problem at my ISP.
Very unfortunate and it has never happened to me in a race before.

I also agree in that we should be more careful behind safety car. I kept distance to the car in front of me and was able to stop in time when cars in front of me collided only to be smashed from behind. :tilt:

Loved the format of the race and would like to congratulate SRLT, nFinity and SA.
And last but not least a shout out to the admins for a great job. :thumb:

[J@tko]

I thought that went quite well :)

The SC start was a bit of a disaster [x2], and I'll take a look at that now to see what went wrong, but in general the racing wasn't too bad.

Hope to see you at R1 on November 14th, 3h of BL1R :thumb:

[J@tko]

Start 1:

#97 [Tiger Express Motorsports] fell of the track at the North Hairpin [T8], but got back on quickly and ended up behind #23 [Serbian Hell Drivers] and alongside #22 [4Stroke Racing Team]. #23 kindly let them back into their correct position in the train [which they do not have to do at all, infact cars who go off track should go to the back of the train]. However in doing so they lost touch with the cars infront, and did not catch up in time for the start.

No penalties, just remember to stay in touch, and if you lose touch, then GTF back up with the cars in front! :tilt:

Start 2:

#99 [nFinity E-Sports 1] and #17 [7Karat] collided in the second right sweeper before the final hairpin, causing a pile up involving:

#23 [Serbian Hell Drivers]
#13 [Clockwork Motorsports]
#22 [4Stroke Racing Team]
#86 [IM Motorsports]
#12 [Dinamo Motorsports]
#10 [Sim Racing Society]
#11 [White Water Radicals]
#95 [WSR]
#90 [Last Lap Motorsports]

Penalties: TBD

[GianniC]

Start 2:

#99 [nFinity E-Sports 1] and #17 [7Karat] collided in the second right sweeper before the final hairpin, causing a pile up involving:

#23 [Serbian Hell Drivers]
#13 [Clockwork Motorsports]
#22 [4Stroke Racing Team]
#86 [IM Motorsports]
#12 [Dinamo Motorsports]
#10 [Sim Racing Society]
#11 [White Water Racers]
#95 [WSR]
#90 [Last Lap Motorsports]

Penalties: TBD

Car #17 appearantly had the habit to speed up - brake a lot during the tyre heating, I found that pretty annoying. On the moment of the crash we were in sector 4, which means get in close formation. I saw in front of me people getting in double lines, which was my intention, though car #17 didn't saw me coming on the right though (which should have been my position).Car #17 was also suddenly braking, while I don't really see the need for such a sudden brake action on the long straight. This caused us to collide, we both ended up in the grass and I was unable to control my FZ2 in the grass, hence the spin. Could I have braked heavier ? Very likely, though I was a bit nervous and watching several things (eg. also the car behind me who was close). The cars behind me neither responded superb; they just drove into me, surely on the left of the track there was room... :shrug:

If penalties are being given for this I'd make it a rulechange penalty: NO more tyre heating up actions. They lead to trouble, confusion and accidents like this (as there is no communication between the drivers from seperate teams).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/SFcrash.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/GCollier/noloveformint.png

[CSF]

Hehe watching the replay and my goodness lap 7 was carnage. Ken and CoRe were damn unlucky to be caught up in that after he smartly backed out of the three way Edit: Just noticed he reversed onto the track almost collecting several cars so I guess this next bit goes for him too....., and I was preparing to say what a great job Scott McKenzie was doing in that FXR... then I saw him coming into the track going 20kmh right infront of 2 SRS and another car that were coming up side by side... yeah that was just pure stupidity of the highest order. :really:


Also:


Team Name: Griffin SimRacing
Number: 96
Car: FZR
Drivers:
[no]kill, Ken Sørvig-Johansen, NOR
[no]Ben, Benny Sharp, NOR
buzzn, Kjetil Brusveen, NOR




HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YAH RIGHT! My spidey senses are tingling.

[MuderGO[LT]]

DeadLine Racing & Conquest Racing. Finish Line

[TexasLTU]

...
Those pictures look epic. :D:D:D

[need]

and I was preparing to say what a great job Scott McKenzie was doing in that FXR... then I saw him coming into the track going 20kmh right infront of 2 SRS and another car that were coming up side by side... yeah that was just pure stupidity of the highest order. :really:


Yeah, Scott was really cut up about that incident. He couldn't believe he'd been so stupid as to totally misjudge how much time he had to get across the track and away from the racing line before the next cars came through.
When he reliased he wasn't going to be able to get out of the way in time, he hit Shift/S to quit the race, but it didn't spectate him until after the accident had already taken place.

I understand he's watched the replay now and has made his apologies to the appropriate guy/s.

[CSF]

Hehe well he did a great job in the FXR showing if driven well it can be up there in GTAL just like last season. *cough balancing debate coming up cough*

[Mustangman759]

If penalties are being given for this I'd make it a rulechange penalty: NO more tyre heating up actions. They lead to trouble, confusion and accidents like this (as there is no communication between the drivers from seperate teams).


id agree there from watching bmxtwins race and IRC at same time.

[boothy]

id agree there from watching bmxtwins race and IRC at same time.

You want to ban tyre warming? So exactly how could you have got your R4 fronts up to temperature? :really:

[need]

Hehe well he did a great job in the FXR showing if driven well it can be up there in GTAL just like last season. *cough balancing debate coming up cough*

Well, he might have been doing well, but his best in quali was still a good bit adrift of the best FZR's. And we reckoned he'd maybe manage 42-43s in the race, where some of the FZRs were down in the 40s, and even 39s.

We were hoping to finish in the top 10 for this race and hopefully be the top FXR, shame it didn't work out.

[GianniC]

You want to ban tyre warming? So exactly how could you have got your R4 fronts up to temperature? :really:
Your point being ? Afaik MoE (or was it IGTC?) also banned tyre warming after a similair pile up behind SC in one of their South City races. It has well founded and logical reasons to disallow it and avoids a lot of nonsense.

Not only this crash, but I also saw several FZRs "warming up their tyres" by going left, right at 50 km/h and going into the grass several times, barely holding their car together and avoiding a spin. It's dangerous and the effect is so low... Few easy laps in the start and you right away have hot tyres; this is endurance racing last time I checked, not a freaking sprint race where every corner counts.

[three_jump]

Tire warming has been allowed again in MoE. It's allowed as long you keep a big enough distance to another car and don't crash others (penalty then).

The problem with tirewarming only is that if you do over you'll spin. It needs practice too, so does doing a rolling start with the front row f***** up twice by simply being too fast not allowing to have a closed grid.

[Mustangman759]

You want to ban tyre warming? So exactly how could you have got your R4 fronts up to temperature? :really:
i didnt drive dont ask we never got them heated... (told him to run some other type of tyre...)

[CSF]

Given r2/r2 was the way to go, running R4(!) at the front and R3 at the rear was just... well strange. You might have thrown away your entry into GTAL with that choice... it was an awful one... r2/r3 maybe, but R4's tells everyone that your driver has no clue what he is doing. I feel a bit sorry for your second driver, he seemed more than good enough for GTAL and I'm sure some other teams will look at him.

[bunder9999]

Given r2/r2 was the way to go, running R4(!) at the front and R3 at the rear was just... well strange. You might have thrown away your entry into GTAL with that choice... it was an awful one... r2/r3 maybe, but R4's tells everyone that your driver has no clue what he is doing.

geeno. :D

[de Souza]

He couldn't believe he'd been so stupid as to totally misjudge how much time he had to get across the track and away from the racing line before the next cars came through.

Well there's nothing to judge really. Look at the map.. Are there cars coming? Then wait.

Simple as that.

He did apologize though. But I'd like to see some kind of warning or penalty for this. It was irresponsible and disrespectful. Like a slap in the wrist, you know.

[JO53PHS]

;1293177']DeadLine Racing & Conquest Racing. Finish Line

Nice picture, but there is a new logo for season 2 ;)

The high res of said logo will be available in the skin kit, when it is released in a couple of days.

[Humbleridderen]

There is a a thread called something like Penalties, results and replays, but no replays to be seen . Could you upload the full replay? :)

[J@tko]

There is a a thread called something like Penalties, results and replays, but no replays to be seen . Could you upload the full replay? :)
:shhh: Look on the "sendspace" and "filefront" links

[Humbleridderen]

:shhh: Look on the "sendspace" and "filefront" links

Found them, thx :)

[GianniC]

Are there fully detailed timetables availlable (splits, ...) of the testrace ?

[boothy]

Run the mpr through lfsstats? It won't account for timeouts though, so you might have to run it a few times stopping some of the runs before timeouts at different points.

Or if you really wanted and knew php/mysql then you could parse the data from the tracker :p

[hyntty]

Are there fully detailed timetables availlable (splits, ...) of the testrace ?

http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/team_99.html
http://tracker.newdimensionracing.com/unfiltered_99.html

Or what stats are you in search for?

E: Oh. Splits. Ignore me