Teamccuk server somebody please?

[Billeh]

Hi yesterday i was raceing on said server and was kicked for possably not saying sorry fast enough. I had about 6 or 7 five lap races and completed them all without any trouble but there where a couple in the middle where i had been hit from behind and knocked somebody else but from what i can remember i said sorry for all accedents. Anyway i am not a wrecker and would like to ask if you could unban me from server as i think there may have been a mistake. I thought it was just a 24 hour ban and i wasnt going to say anything as i thought i be allowed back on. But i have just tryed to gain acces to the server and i still banned :(. I really enjoy the server and car and track combo and i am gutted i am banned from it please could somebody rectafy this please.

Regards Billeh

[Hyperactive]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=5724

This is not the right place.

[r4ptor]

Hi Billeh, long time no see - we must drive together again soon - I have all the time in the world now :D

Not sure what server that is - I rarely pay attention to the server names :) I only look for tracks and number of drivers..

The one I was on last time (running SO CLassic) - there was a bad vibe going on, but not much. Ppl very generally upset by wreckers who didnt appologize... Experienced it myself.

But, ofcause, that doesn't justify a spontanious ban.

I really dislike the current voting system and rarely use it - I generally dont like voting without knowing what I'm voting for.

I've done plenty of laps with you, and if an Teamccuk admin is looking, I can say for sure that Billeh is no wrecker.

[Billeh]

Heh thanks r4ptor :) good to hear u have some free time now :) must catch up again for some more soclassic :) got new pb yesterday in the teamccuk server just befor i was banned :( 42.42 i think now :) not great but i am happy with it :) anyway will chat to u sometime on msn :).

[Platinum pete]

Two threads about the same server. That place is a disaster area. Completely full of people that dont understand the rules of this game and seem to have no intention of learning.

I say your better off not being able to go there to be honest.

[Billeh]

Yeah but it has allways got people in it on the track car combo i like also i had 6 or 7 good races in there untill it got a bit messy :(.

[r4ptor]

Vote kicking is ok, but banning is way to immature in LfS, in the way it's currently handled.

I've played alot of Counter-Strike, and banning in that community - atleast in scandinavia, is alot more mature. Only admins and users with ban privileges can ban/unban players.

When someone finds a reason for a player to be banned, he either yells for the admin, by typing (in chat) "Admin", followed by relevant information - ie. "Admin, we have a cheater on the server!". The word "Admin" triggers a script that alerts the admin - downside is though that this requires the admin to be present at a computer where he can monitor the server - don't have to monitor actively though.

Or..
A better solution is to save a replay, send it to the admins and then let them decide.

Some admins are jerks themselfs - but hey, no one is perfect :)

But I can't take it serious that when somewhat crowded, and you get hit by a car from behind, some instantly think that the driver who touched you is to blame - I'm mean.. you can't even see that clearly - if you turn off side view smoothing, you can't even see the car just one position ahead from you at the grid! So don't think you can be so sure of what happend.

People should be more calm, and when they suspect someone to wreck on purpose, they should spectate and save the replay to have proof - and perhaps then, and only then vote to ban.

[Billeh]

so nobody from teamccuk visit here or nobody can help ? dissapointing :(

[r4ptor]

But in LFS an uncooperative player can cause a lot more trouble than they can in CS.

Yes, thats true - but it bothers me more that players that don't know whats going on can just press 1 and wupti - as in Billeh's case - an innocent driver gets banned.

[Hallen]

Yes, thats true - but it bothers me more that players that don't know whats going on can just press 1 and wupti - as in Billeh's case - an innocent driver gets banned.

If that is the case, then it is just a 24 hour ban. Only an admin can set a ban for longer than the default. So, either there are somewhat careless admins for that server, or the offence was somewhat more egregious than thought.

[r4ptor]

Just experienced my first attemt to get banned - on.... TeamCCUK.. tadaaaa :)

I was quick to save a replay and explored it shortly after.... very funny indeed (only funny because only two ppl voted for me, otherwise I don't think it would be).

The raceleader made a mistake on his own - and I got the blame for it, even though I was so far behind him that I managed to slow down instead of plowing into him.

ROFL :)

Ppl, plz - make sure what happend before you do such a thing (vote for a ban).

[Jakg]

Just experienced my first attemt to get banned - on.... TeamCCUK.. tadaaaa :)

I was quick to save a replay and explored it shortly after.... very funny indeed (only funny because only two ppl voted for me, otherwise I don't think it would be).

The raceleader made a mistake on his own - and I got the blame for it, even though I was so far behind him that I managed to slow down instead of plowing into him.

ROFL :)

Ppl, plz - make sure what happend before you do such a thing (vote for a ban).lol, saw something similar today, somebody started a ban vote, about 3 people joined in, i said "What did he do?"
"Dsnt mattr, hez a crasher"
"peeps press one 4 teh nozzz"
"Yeah, but dont you think you should wait for him to reply first? you might be the crasher for all i know!"
xxxxxx (Ok, not he's real name!) voted to kick The Techno Geek
xxxxxxx mk2 voted to kick The Techno Geek
"F*** this"
The Techno Geek disconnected

[SamH]

Billeh, please check your PMs :)

[SamH]

Two threads about the same server. That place is a disaster area. Completely full of people that dont understand the rules of this game and seem to have no intention of learning.

I say your better off not being able to go there to be honest.
Ouch!

If there are problems on our servers, we do our best to sort them out. We're currently running 12 LFS servers in total on our dedi server in a Docklands datacentre, hosting both Demo and S2. At present, 40% of our bandwidth usage is given over to LFS. We don't have enough manpower to admin them all, all of the time.

We try to do as much as we can but at the moment, many of our team members are simply too busy with other commitments and so we're dedicated to simply keeping the servers online and running so everyone ELSE can get some good use out of them. We've got Aston, Kyoto and South City configurations. We even have a Beginners server for you to send your noobs to, in an attempt to give newcomers a step up. When we DO have to restart the servers, we don't even kill them. We go in and let people know BEFOREHAND, and we wait until races end, and THEN restart.

We love LFS, and we're completely in awe of the community. It's a community we're proud to be a part of and are committed to contributing to, so forgive me for taking issue with you slamming us. I think you're out of order.

[Billeh]

Well a big thanks goes to SamH thanks alot m8 love the server was justa shame that i got banned from it for a few days as it seems to be the only server with more than 10 people on soclassic with fox :) .

Will check just to make sure i am unbanned when i go home thanks again and cheers for your help :) See you all in server later :) ta ta for now :) :)

[Becky Rose]

some instantly think that the driver who touched you is to blame - I'm mean.. you can't even see that clearly
Sooooo true. In my first league race I was taken out from behind on a tight bend in the first few laps and I made a mental note of the drivers name for future reference.

Then when I watched the replay I saw he was totally absolved and the real culprit, well he just went in so late and so fast that I just burst out laughing to watch it.

[SamH]

Sam , OT but out of interest what spec's your dedi and whats the OS ( Server 2003 ? )

It's a dual P4 3GHz, 1Gb RAM on Windows Server 2003 Standard Ed.

We just put a 2nd 300Gb drive in a couple of weeks ago. RAM next, I think.

[Platinum pete]

Ouch!

If there are problems on our servers, we do our best to sort them out. We're currently running 12 LFS servers in total on our dedi server in a Docklands datacentre, hosting both Demo and S2. At present, 40% of our bandwidth usage is given over to LFS. We don't have enough manpower to admin them all, all of the time.

We try to do as much as we can but at the moment, many of our team members are simply too busy with other commitments and so we're dedicated to simply keeping the servers online and running so everyone ELSE can get some good use out of them. We've got Aston, Kyoto and South City configurations. We even have a Beginners server for you to send your noobs to, in an attempt to give newcomers a step up. When we DO have to restart the servers, we don't even kill them. We go in and let people know BEFOREHAND, and we wait until races end, and THEN restart.

We love LFS, and we're completely in awe of the community. It's a community we're proud to be a part of and are committed to contributing to, so forgive me for taking issue with you slamming us. I think you're out of order.

Sorry it wasnt intended to be a comment on the owner(s) of the server just the people and type of incedent that i have endured within ONE of your servers.

for the record i dont mind if meople occasionally cause accidents, and im willing to smile and be pleasant if i get crashed out by accident (even by those im lapping) provided those people recognise their errors and are appologetic. Its just that for a while in your S0 classic FOX server the trend was quite different to this and hense i now avoid going there.

sorry if i have insulted you

Pete

[SamH]

sorry if i have insulted you

Pete, I apologise for misreading and misunderstanding.

The same people who visit South City are the ones you find on other servers too, but I think this particular car/track combo is an adrenaline pusher. It's such an intense drive. I love it, but I can imagine that when things go badly - especially through the chicane - tempers can get short.

We seem to be on a see-saw regarding this track and banning. We turned voting off for a long time on this config, but there was another thread about our server, where some S2 wreckers took full advantage of that. So we turned it back on. Now it's on and getting misused, I've turned it off again.

Now that it's off, if anyone meets a wrecker, PLEASE! PLEASE!! PM me with an MPR.

[Billeh]

I am going to start saveing replays after every race to avoid my name being taken as a wrecker. I try my hardest to avoid accidents but sometimes u cant do enough or somebody nudges your back makeing it look like your the one to blame. Anyway i will keep a eye out on your server if i am raceing and something happens i will save replay and pas it on to you as soon as i can m8 :) thanks again and hope to race with you soon :) and anyone else who likes the fox and soclassic combo :) :)

[Nighty]

It's carnage in there at the moment, the kick/ban option is gone and there are prats driving the wrong way and generaly taking the piss.:shrug:

[SamH]

Unbelievable. I just picked up Nighty's message, went in on the server and banned 2 people out of the chicane for a year each, where they were sitting and wrecking. Another I banned for refusing to stop scrolling.

I can't believe S2 licensees can behave this way.

[Nighty]

Well done Sam.:thumb: :thumb:

[Platinum pete]

grats for the banning- but now you see my point and why i was so negative.

I too am disapointet that some s2 licenced people act in this way.

[mr_x]

chances are they dont want to be part of this community, or they just want to give it a bad name...

i went into a server a few weeks ago, accidently hit someone because i missed my braking point (wasnt even a hard hit) he was still ahead of me afterwards... after i said sorry he instantly voted to ban me, but if it wasnt for other people in the server then i would have been banned (cant remember names) but they knew who i was because i post on here, one of them saw the incident on spectator and told the rest not to accept, in the end this guy was being persistant at trying to ban me and got vote kicked :D

this community rules!! all i have to say, and it's good seeing the server admins doing something about the wreckers or people who crash on purpose, or sit on one part of the track, we don't need them!

[DeadWolfBones]

I've been running on the CCUK South City server for the past few days and I've had tons of fun. It's sprint races on Classic, so no one should be surprised at this point when there's some scrambling for T1 or some n00bs who maybe don't quite know how to take the chicane.

For the most part though I've been surprised at the level of maturity we're getting out of full fields, especially given that we're using open-wheeled cars.

r4ptor, had a lot of fun racing you. :thumb:

[DeadWolfBones]

Would be nice if there were an admin around at times, though.

[SamH]

Would be nice if there were an admin around at times, though.

Yep, sorry about that. I'm busily begging other admins to spend time on there. Quite frankly, we've been throwing most of our spare time at our Demo servers, mistakenly under the illusion that THOSE were where we'd have to mop up after idiot wreckers. My bad! :(

We'll figure out a roster or something to make sure that we give as much coverage as possible. We're all pretty pushed at the moment, time-wise, and suffering partially from a minor addiction to Battlefield2. That's a helluva thing, considering I'm technically a conscientious objector.

[DeadWolfBones]

Hah, no worries. It's only a minor aggravation on an otherwise fantastic server.

Keep up the good work!

[SamH]

You're very kind! :)

Well for now, we're leaving the kick/ban option OFF South City. Adrenaline being what it is, it's obvious that the ban button is just too tempting for some. Heat of the moment and all that stuff.

Now that the ban option is gone, the server is at risk of wreckers (I just found out they exist in S2!!) If you're a regular on any of the TeamCCUK servers, please put www.teamccuk.com/wreck (http://www.teamccuk.com/wreck) in your favorites.

If you experience wrecking on one of our servers, please save the MPR and use the above form to send it to us. We'll take firm and long-lasting action on our servers against any wreckers, and in worst-cases, we'll also be posting MPRs on our main site for other team servers to review and act as they see fit. We're very much in favour of ensuring clean racing across our servers, and I know other server admins feel the same way.

[r4ptor]

It's sprint races on Classic, so no one should be surprised at this point when there's some scrambling for T1 or some n00bs who maybe don't quite know how to take the chicane.
I agree to a certain point. I see plenty of faster drivers who manage to not to read other players way of driving and therefor cause (not on purpose) accidents instead of taking it slighty easy through a corner or especially the chicane. So slower drivers are not always to blame :)


r4ptor, had a lot of fun racing you. :thumb:
Thanks, mate :) I'm currently very addicted to the FOX and SO Classic due to all the good races - hope to see you and the rest of the Core team soon :D

[Billeh]

You're very kind! :)

Well for now, we're leaving the kick/ban option OFF South City. Adrenaline being what it is, it's obvious that the ban button is just too tempting for some. Heat of the moment and all that stuff.

Now that the ban option is gone, the server is at risk of wreckers (I just found out they exist in S2!!) If you're a regular on any of the TeamCCUK servers, please put www.teamccuk.com/wreck (http://www.teamccuk.com/wreck) in your favorites.

If you experience wrecking on one of our servers, please save the MPR and use the above form to send it to us. We'll take firm and long-lasting action on our servers against any wreckers, and in worst-cases, we'll also be posting MPRs on our main site for other team servers to review and act as they see fit. We're very much in favour of ensuring clean racing across our servers, and I know other server admins feel the same way.

Hello samH. Myself , r4ptor and Interceptor where in your server last night and had 2 bell ends smashing the whole field of racers in T1. Then after they had done that they went on to park on the chicane and whoever was in P1 they aimed for. Very sad and seeing as the server was full at one point 20 mins later there r 2 cocks and 6 proper racers left. I have replays and player names will not post them here as i will leave u to watch the replays [i aint checked them yet to see if they worked but i am sure they did]. I am at work till 4pm gmt when i get home i will try and get in contact with you and send the 3 or 4 replays i have and let u make your mind up. Anyway i will talk later about it not going to name and shame here as it will probably cause alot of flamming :(. Speak to you soon SamH and R4ptor i will get in contact tonight for some soclassic bashing. :):)

[SamH]

Ours isn't laboured at all, I don't think. The most I've ever seen CPU at is 18%. Average seems to be around 7%. I've attached a screenshot of the apps running. Added to those shown are FTP, 8 Shoutcast servers, mailserver, webserver etc.

I must say, though, that we're agreed that the LFS server is one of, if not THE, best-written and most efficient multiplayer servers we've ever seen. And I think we've tried just about all of them.

Counterstrike is the worst as far as loose netcode is concerned. SWAT4 is worst as far as CPU is concerned.

I'm not very Linux-aware, though a couple of our guys also run Linux servers with similar connectivity to this. I don't think they do any Windows emulation though, and so probably can't give any useful heads-up.

[Aidan H]

Hello samH. Myself , r4ptor and Interceptor where in your server last night and had 2 bell ends smashing the whole field of racers in T1. Then after they had done that they went on to park on the chicane and whoever was in P1 they aimed for. Very sad and seeing as the server was full at one point 20 mins later there r 2 cocks and 6 proper racers left. I have replays and player names will not post them here as i will leave u to watch the replays [i aint checked them yet to see if they worked but i am sure they did]. I am at work till 4pm gmt when i get home i will try and get in contact with you and send the 3 or 4 replays i have and let u make your mind up. Anyway i will talk later about it not going to name and shame here as it will probably cause alot of flamming :(. Speak to you soon SamH and R4ptor i will get in contact tonight for some soclassic bashing. :):)

Those two guys were back on the server today at about 13:20. Unfortunately they didnt notice that the ban function had been switched back on before they started haveing fun.:D

[SamH]

Those two guys were back on the server today at about 13:20. Unfortunately they didnt notice that the ban function had been switched back on before they started haveing fun.:D
Yeah, we restarted the server in the middle of the night, and I had forgotten to change the config file. When it came back online, it defaulted back to kick/ban=enabled.

The problem is that those two will be back tomorrow, when the vote ban expires. If they deserve a ban, I prefer to make it a very effective one. If you, or anyone who was present, can let me have an MPR from today I'll make sure that the ban you voted today will last a very long time. www.teamccuk.com/wreck (http://www.teamccuk.com/wreck) for all your uploading needs.

[Aidan H]

Sorry Sam Didnt save a replay, but both Bileh and R4ptor have replays of last nights display. I would leave the ban function on until these two are sorted out though.

[banshee56]

You're very kind! :)

Well for now, we're leaving the kick/ban option OFF South City. Adrenaline being what it is, it's obvious that the ban button is just too tempting for some. Heat of the moment and all that stuff.

Now that the ban option is gone, the server is at risk of wreckers (I just found out they exist in S2!!) If you're a regular on any of the TeamCCUK servers, please put www.teamccuk.com/wreck (http://www.teamccuk.com/wreck) in your favorites.

If you experience wrecking on one of our servers, please save the MPR and use the above form to send it to us. We'll take firm and long-lasting action on our servers against any wreckers, and in worst-cases, we'll also be posting MPRs on our main site for other team servers to review and act as they see fit. We're very much in favour of ensuring clean racing across our servers, and I know other server admins feel the same way.

Sam, that is a great option to put on your site. It gives someone a chance to report wreckers to admins with accompyaning evidence. Would you mind if I copied your idea on the CoRe website?

Also, please include the CoRe website (www.core-racing.com (http://www.core-racing.com)) site when posting about wreckers so we can do our part at keeping these idiots out of good servers. :thumb:

[Billeh]

As i have said in post above SamH i have three or four replays but i aint sure if they work i need to go home as i am at work at the min i will check them as soon as i get in. Do u have msn if you do add me and i will have a chat with you and let u know who the 2 children where :). msn - QWIKFIRE_IS@hotmail.com if you aint got msn its fine i will just check the replays then if they have what u need i will upload them on the website u have put down :)

[Alex Cameron]

I was there too and have sent replays to Sam :thumb:

Those two seem to be long term, persistent wreckers, I found a thread from back in december about them doing the same thing, with replays posted.

Imo they should have their licences revoked, or at least be banned from online racing to save the server owners the hassle of banning them over and over again.

[AndroidXP]

Imo they should have their licences revoked, or at least be banned from online racing to save the server owners the hassle of banning them over and over again.How about the server owner just bans them for one year and the problem is solved? Really I don't see a problem with licensed racers. Retards on demo servers can get annoying, but a ban is a ban on licensed servers.

[Alex Cameron]

But when they get banned from one server they'll just move to another server (as they have been doing for months).

They're not just noobs messing around, they're both capable of driving quickly, looking at their stats they've both done sub 43s laps at S01 but instead of racing they chose to wreck other people's races for fun, they have no place within the LFS community and should be kicked out imo.

[r4ptor]

I sent my replays from the Team CCUK website - the replays weren't long (couldn't be as they trashed the race from early on), but should still show how they behaved.

Billeh had been there for about an hour before I joined, and told me they had been laming during that time - I think both of them left 10-15 minutes after I joined.

Too bad, they left just within few minutes after you left, Billeh :(

As one person even mentioned: the sad thing was that atleast one of them could drive, but chose to behave like this - I've seen him before - actually, you'll recognize him from my previous replay regarding the banning thing, SamH :)

Now I wonder if he took advantage of his own misfortune and tried to lame ban... hmmm.

[SamH]

Many thanks guys! I've seen several replays of several races today, asserted some bans for really offensive and obvious wrecking, unbanned one or two (owing to hot-headedness and my mistake in not turning off banning in the config file), and in one instance of gross repeat-offense wrecking, I've taken the matter up with the Devs.

Please keep using the form on our site whenever needed. It's proving a very useful tool :)

Thanks again..
Sam :)

[SamH]

How about the server owner just bans them for one year and the problem is solved?
Only ONE year? :x :D

But when they get banned from one server they'll just move to another server (as they have been doing for months).
I've been asked today if I'll share the information I have about serial offenders to some of the other server operators, and I have agreed.

I must stress, though, that none of us are interested in a witch hunt. That's not what it's about. We're interested in preserving the integrity of the LFS online environment. There ARE people who don't care about that, and for FUN will wreck races. They are a tiny minority. Miniscule, in fact, but they exist and as we've found since opening this whole discussion, they have a massive impact on the rest of us who are trying to enjoy LFS. THOSE are the ones we don't want on our servers and I'll provide, AND WELCOME, any and all information needed to make sure they can't spoil our days.

[r4ptor]

SamH - the page doesn't seem to work and don't have ur mail any longer - we have several wreckers on So Classic server.... :|


Hope you see this soon :D

[JohnPenn]

Yes some of the deliberate wreckers can actually drive, or should I say hot lap.

IMO after replay evidence showing these gentlemen wrecking for fun there names should be passed to other server's.

After turning a blind Eye for the last few months, its zero tolerance time:)
Witch hunt no ... good for LFS yes.


John

[SamH]

IMO after replay evidence showing these gentlemen wrecking for fun there names should be passed to other server's.
Yep, I totally agree. The information is already being shared with one other server. If any other server admins would like to identify themselves by PM, all I need is an email address to partake in our "wrecker alert scheme".

After turning a blind Eye for the last few months, its zero tolerance time:)
Witch hunt no ... good for LFS yes.
We are entirely agreed on this too. Wrecking in S2 is a highly unexpected thing. It's something I suspect even the devs have not anticipated, judging by the text when you enter the Demo multiplayer environment: "..we would like to emphasise that this kind of behaviour does NOT reflect in any way the racing that you would find on S1 and S2 hosts, where all are registered and have a reputation to maintain!"

Because of the genuine risk of entering into a witch hunt, I'm specifically (at this time) only really keen to share names and MPRs with others who actively maintain a 24/7 LFS server/suite of servers. It's become apparent from conversations with wreckers that they're not bothered about getting banned from just one server. With 350-400 S2 servers at any given moment to choose from, you can imagine why. We have to enter into a form of co-operative defence league, to make a ban mean something. It really does only take one wrecker to dessimate an entire 20-car grid, as we've been seeing all too often recently.

We've been having problems with bans being ineffective on our server (see "Server bans not withstanding" in the Bugs section), so this is very much at the forefront of my spare time right now.

[EDIT] to add that we DID get the wrecker tonight. He's now banned.

[r4ptor]

[EDIT] to add that we DID get the wrecker tonight. He's now banned.

You saved lots of racers day - including mine. Thanks!

How does LFS keep track of bans? Is it a text file or something like that?

Would it be possible to have a predefined ban list in one file, and put new (on-the-go) bans into another?

Server admins could create some form of an banning organization - It's difficult to keep up if you are alone, but with several other admins, it's more effecient and faster to get updated.

The lists gets merged once in a while and added to the global banning list - witch in turn is not only distributed to all the members of this organization, but also put online for other admins to get .. sort of like having a codec pack: it's all there ;)

This way of keeping yourself, and others updated was gaining popularity in Counter-Strike - but then came the VAC system and made it all much easier (I think - I'm no server admin) :)

VAC is pretty cool - get caught cheating on a VAC enabled server, and you'll get banned from every single server in the entire world .. for life! .. neat :D

[SamH]

:thumb: :D

I'm not really very up on the bans.ban file, though I've learned quite a bit in the last couple of days. One of our team is looking into it at the moment, with (I think) the intention of building an online database of wreckers, with supporting MPRs.

A local client application, for a server's admin to use, will connect with the database and collect current bans from there. Using insim/outsim, it will then integrate those bans with a locally managed list of servers. The duration of the ban per offender will be determined by the server admin, rather than the database.

It's a concept rather than a plan of action at the moment. For the moment, we're collecting MPRs and taking action manually on a case-by-case basis, and offering those MPRs to any other server admins who might be interested in participating.

I was in and out of the server quite a bit this evening, but it looked like a great evening of racing. Some really excellent driving, leaving me very much in awe!

By the way, congratulations again on your acceptance into the [TS] team! Well done! :thumb:

[r4ptor]

Hi Sam,


It's a concept rather than a plan of action at the moment. For the moment, we're collecting MPRs and taking action manually on a case-by-case basis, and offering those MPRs to any other server admins who might be interested in participating.

Sounds like a good concept - The MPR will carry all this to either succes or faliure, next to how easy/fast it will be to request such an action, IMO. It should be a promoted rule that no ban's will take place without propper MPR(s). I also dont think you will ever get rid of MPRs - MPRs are the only solid proof and no auto system could do the same as an admin objectively watching an MPR to see whom to blame or if it just was a unlucky racing accident.

Currently people are too used to seeing the kick/ban option, and apparently when they see they are not there, some people think they are in heaven and start wrecking. This way of thinking has to be changed, and I believe it can be done. IMO it would actually help if the kick/ban option was limited to admins as well as privileged players (someone the admins trust).

It would also be a great thing if there was a way to show the URL of the server website within the game, so people could see it easy and if neccesary, shift+f4 and take action. Currently you can't see any info about the server or track (wich is why I'm so poor at remembering what track I'm driving :) ), but if there were, and it also allowed the admin to put some info in... that would be really neat.

By the way, congratulations again on your acceptance into the [TS] team! Well done! :thumb:

Thanks, Sam - will be a fun time, without any doubt - real online gaming - let it be racing or anything else - can only be archived through a unity in my experience - so I'm looking forward to this :D

[colcob]

I think this is an interesting and worthwhile concept, but I would urge caution to make sure that no-one ever gets falsely accused of wrecking and then perma-banned from all participating servers.

It seems to me that one incident, even if it appears to be wrecking, should not be sufficient to invoke a distributed ban. Sometimes one-off things happen (my pedals connector dropped out once just before T1 leading to me ploughing into the entire field), or people have moments of madness that they regret, or their children get on their computer without them knowing, etc.

I'd imagine that there should be clear evidence of a pattern of behaviour (ie. multiple incidents) agreed by at least 3 experienced admins before someone was put on the blacklist. It might even be fair to send drivers an LFSWorld message as a warning when their first incident is reported.

[r4ptor]

I agree somewhere on those line - this was exactly why I wrote "The MPR will carry all this to either succes or faliure".

Admins banning people based on 1 MPR = failure
Admins banning people based on multiple MPRs = long term succes

Sending a warning sounds like a great idea. Some players are not wreckers, but simply too aggressive (inexperienced) or are not aware of all the racing rules or simply inexperienced with races and pushes the car too hard.

[Albieg]

It seems to me that one incident, even if it appears to be wrecking, should not be sufficient to invoke a distributed ban. Sometimes one-off things happen (my pedals connector dropped out once just before T1 leading to me ploughing into the entire field), or people have moments of madness that they regret, or their children get on their computer without them knowing, etc.

I completely agree. Moreover, no very long term administrative ban should be issued when there's no possibility to contact an administrator - at least on a website or via mail - to ask for an explanation. The current ban system states no reason for being banned: the system could be better, and I think it will be improved in the future. It will only be a matter of time.
Anyone should have the right to defend him/herself, especially when the consequences of a single action (or repeated actions in a session) could lead to long lasting consequences, because technical problems occur, occasional moments of madness due to warm blood occur, and finally children occur.

[Billeh]

i still havent got round to sending them replays to yah m8 sorry will do them tonight as i aint got time at the min :( .

[Billeh]

Samh Can u confirm you have recieved the files i uploaded and didnt upload 2 of the same .mpr

[SamH]

Samh Can u confirm you have recieved the files i uploaded and didnt upload 2 of the same .mpr
:thumb: thanks bud!

The culprits, it turns out, are already banned for a long time from our server, thanks to others reporting them at the same time. I was glad to get the MPRs from you, because they thoroughly confirm our original decision to ban :)

[SamH]

Oops.. missed a bit. Nope, all three MPRs are different, and all show very definite wrecking tactics from two LFS S2-registered drivers.

[Billeh]

:thumb: thanks bud!

The culprits, it turns out, are already banned for a long time from our server, thanks to others reporting them at the same time. I was glad to get the MPRs from you, because they thoroughly confirm our original decision to ban :)

good to hear it was getting a bit heated in there earlyer befor i went to work but i didnt get any replays. I will be in there tonight though so if i see anything i will send them over m8. Take care and drive safe :P

[BigDave2967]

Just to add out, laden was back on the server, and was ramming, unfortunately I don't have the replay that provides that. We did gave him a taste of his own medicine, when 3 of us were blocking him *after the race of course* but he just got abusive and upset, and started calling us names.

I assumed that you had banned him before?

Just out of curiosity, why not change the track from South City, to KY GP Long, thats become popular for FOX and V8s these days. With pits required? :P

[SamH]

the thread that will not die ...
hehe! Thanks bud! We love doing the server, but of course what makes it good or bad is entirely down to the coding by the devs and all the folks who race on it. LFS rocks! :thumb:
[quote=BigDave2967]Just to add out, laden was back on the server... I assumed that you had banned him before?

Many times :( He's currently supposed to be banned, basically, for life. There's a bug in the server software which is causing our bans to be short-lived. It's a coding issue that I *hope* Scawen is aware of. It's posted big in the bugs department, anyway.
Just out of curiosity, why not change the track from South City, to KY GP Long, thats become popular for FOX and V8s these days. With pits required? :P
We have Aston, Westhill, Kyoto, Fern Bay, Rally (a Fern Bay config) and our Beginners server, but the most popular by far is South City Classic/FOX. We try different configs occasionally, to see what's attractive to LFSers and when we hit a winner, we set the config file to that. I'll change our KY server to GP Long/FOX today in the hope that it'll take off like the South City one.

Pitting required.. how many laps? It's a helluva long track.. there will be long, long races. Suggestions? Requests?

In our own team, we've been racing a lot on Fern Bay Gold in the FOX recently. I can heartily recommend that server if you're looking for a longer race. It's very intense, but not as aggressive as the South City config.

[Smax]

I've noticed that you've got an awful lot of unused/little used configs running.

I wonder if you might consider setting up SO Classic Fox part 2?, and then restricting the number of connections on both servers to a slightly smaller number, say 16 or so. That way you could support more players without having 23 cars fighting for space at the first 90 degree left.

I have to say the few occasions I've been on your server I've raced from the back since I don't play the game enough to be any good at it, and I've spent all of my time either keeping out of the way of the front runners or picking my way through the wreckage of those who've crashed. I've always felt 23 reasonably quick cars on that small track was too many, but hey that's just my unimportant opinion, anyway just thought I'd throw in that suggestion.

Personally I prefer FE Gold much more and might fancy a spin on that, which of your servers have you got that setup on?

[Jakg]

yes it is too many, but it certainly is a spectacle that other sims just cant re-create!

[SamH]

I've noticed that you've got an awful lot of unused/little used configs running.
Yep, we made best-guess when we started them but the other servers are too quiet.

I wonder if you might consider setting up SO Classic Fox part 2?, and then restricting the number of connections on both servers to a slightly smaller number, say 16 or so. That way you could support more players without having 23 cars fighting for space at the first 90 degree left.
Consider it done :thumb: We'll get that up and running today.
[EDIT]TeamCCUK.com South City II is up and running. 16 cars max, although 23 people can join. There's room for 7 spectators. I've decided not to adjust the original South City. I figure anyone for whom the max number of cars is too many in SC original can graduate to SC II themselves.
Personally I prefer FE Gold much more and might fancy a spin on that, which of your servers have you got that setup on?
It's live on "TeamCCUK.com FernBay" as we speak, but I think you'll be the first to arrive. I think most people have Empty=No in their server listings, so once someone gets in there it suddenly magically appears in everyone else's list.

[EDIT2]We've noticed that 7 seems to be a magic number. Once a server has 7 people in it, pretty soon after that, it has 18 or 20 :)