Logitech G27 the real deal

[shaun cole]

Hello Sim Racers.

This is the real deal, no more speculation, no more spy photos, this is a real life G27 in the flesh ready for review.

We at SRT/Inside Sim Racing have been hammering away on one to bring you all a review of the wheel, pedals and shifter.

Check it out at

www.insidesimracing.tv or search for us on you tube under sim racing tonight.

Happy Racing

Shaun Cole

[DarinSRT]

We have one of.. if not THE first review of the G27 up now !!

http://www.insidesimracing.tv

[JJ72]

Just when I thought it was a myth.

[Solidum[NL]]

Looks cool! But if I understand correctly, it doesn't have sequential gear shifting?

[Fuse5]

;1239483']Looks cool! But if I understand correctly, it doesn't have sequential gear shifting?

correct.

and this sounds like the perfect wheel now.

[Byku]

correct.

and this sounds like the perfect wheel now.
What a pity :/... i've always used sequential shifter with GTR cars :|.

[Takumi_lfs]

Yeah, she looks so hot in yellow.

[Fuse5]

Yeah, she looks so hot in yellow.
Am I the only one to kind of prefer her over Megan?

Anyway, great review!

[JJ72]

come on logitech, gimme a trade-in deal and I shall worship you forever........

[Greboth]

Why oh why can't I watch these videos at work :( I will watch it when I get home though.

One question, which may get answered in the video, but if it doesn't have sequential shifting is that just no sequential on the gear lever but it has paddles? If not then it would be silly because of the SS being raced.

[Flame CZE]

Why oh why can't I watch these videos at work :( I will watch it when I get home though.

One question, which may get answered in the video, but if it doesn't have sequential shifting is that just no sequential on the gear lever but it has paddles? If not then it would be silly because of the SS being raced.
I think so... when you drive a sequential-shifter car, you have to shift with the paddles which is not the best :shrug: Except that it's a nice wheel.

[JJ72]

it has paddles.

[Blackout]

The wheel looks really smooth, but other than that, I can't see any point upgrading from G25. I'm left with the impression Logitech is just trying to harvest money. Making less than perfect product and then trying to improve with little changes invented by others. The wheel should have had 6 buttons in the first place, it should have had that better gearing too. There was no reason they could not done it in the first place.

The raised and adjustable pedals and the rev light are both made for G25 by third parties. G27 will be good value for someone with no wheel, but if you already have G25 it's an insult.

The review had good parts. But I think you could do without silly point system. It doesn't do anything better than a well reasoned opinion. Pack it tight and don't waffle about and say how Logitech is trying screw people over.

Your hostess would also do with some more clothes. It's an insult you think your viewers as easy idiots.

[GianniC]

Good report! Hm. Maybe I'll replace my old MS Sidewinder FF... Though $300 is kind of a lot of money.
I agree with Blackout though, a point system to compare is one thing, but don't overdo it.
Good show again for the rest.

No comment about the clothes part, although it was a bit too obvious :p

Edit: Actually I'll do comment on the clothes part.
A dress like here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvaIK7prCg&feature=related) is just as hot, but has a lot more style.
There is no need for nearly naked outfits and let us keep focus on the wheel (and Shaun :shy:).

;)

[bbman]

Little miffed about taking away the sequential shifter - THE best thing about the G25 was that you could emulate every type of shifting, and me being a GT-enthusiast the sequential shifter still is the most used by me...

We have one of.. if not THE first review of the G27 up now !!

http://www.insidesimracing.tv

I'm missing the comparison to the GT3RS in your review, since it was clear the G27 isn't much more than an uprated G25... I mean, that's basically the big question when you're deciding on a new (affordable) high-quality wheel...

[TexasLTU]

Nice review.

But IMHO the new G27 is pointless crap. That idea with 6 buttons was nice, but removing sequential shifter mode was poor. Its like 1 step forward and 2 backwards. They probably thought "We will add few more buttons, kids will like it!", and will set absurd price compared to older G25 price. And leaving only hardcore (H-mode) shifter - RBR drivers won't be really interested to buy it if they were used to sequential shifter (not pads behind wheel).

So all in all, maybe it is good to buy G27 for a guy who hadn't G25, but if you have G25 already, you will just spend the same or even more amount of cash for actually same thing.

Thats just my point of view, don't flame me please.

[Mysho]

Nice review.

But IMHO the new G27 is pointless crap. That idea with 6 buttons was nice, but removing sequential shifter mode was poor. Its like 1 step forward and 2 backwards. They probably thought "We will add few more buttons, kids will like it!", and will set absurd price compared to older G25 price. And leaving only hardcore (H-mode) shifter - RBR drivers won't be really interested to buy it if they were used to sequential shifter (not pads behind wheel).

So all in all, maybe it is good to buy G27 for a guy who hadn't G25, but if you have G25 already, you will just spend the same or even more amount of cash for actually same thing.

Thats just my point of view, don't flame me please.

I agree, shifting with paddles in these type of games/cars is nonsense. That's a big step back... Why I'd be forced to use paddles now, when there already is a seq. shifter @ g25.

Even if there'd be a possibility to use shifter from g25 and wheel from g27 it's still pointless idea - to buy a wheel and use components from old one which is pretty much the same.

[baSh0r]

mhhh since the most people already got a DFGT or a G25 already i think its no need to "upgrade" it since there are only so minor changes


still though the lights are quite useless. I don't know because you mostly dont look at the wheel when driving instead of the screen.
Second of all the buttons look kinda out of place, like they have been made by a 6year old guy. I don't know just looks plastic.

[dawesdust_12]

mhhh since the most people already got a DFGT or a G25 already i think its no need to "upgrade" it since there are only so minor changes


still though the lights are quite useless. I don't know because you mostly dont look at the wheel when driving instead of the screen.
Second of all the buttons look kinda out of place, like they have been made by a 6year old guy. I don't know just looks plastic.

It also depends where your wheel is. Mine (as it's on a high desk/low seat), the wheel actually obscures part of vision of the screen so the LED's would be in optimal placing.

It's minor, but still a bit better.

[Chrisuu01]

mhhh since the most people already got a DFGT or a G25 already i think its no need to "upgrade" it since there are only so minor changes


still though the lights are quite useless. I don't know because you mostly dont look at the wheel when driving instead of the screen.
Second of all the buttons look kinda out of place, like they have been made by a 6year old guy. I don't know just looks plastic.

Agreed althow my DFGT feels plastcish its feels great stil and for the dirt cheap 90 euros i bought it for brand new i just forget about the gamy feel of the buttons.

There straight out of the dualshack 3 controller for the ps3 i know it becaus i have one those buttons feel excatly the same.
But for a dirt cheap 90 euros who gives a shit.

[obsolum]

Man... I'd so hit that!










Oh right, uhm... about the G27 :x Yeah, I'll echo what has been said here; I don't see any reason to upgrade from a G25 to a G27. In fact I don't even see a reason to buy a G27 even if you don't already have a wheel, as it has no sequential shifter. You're still better off with a G25.

[Intrepid]

Your hostess would also do with some more clothes. It's an insult you think your viewers as easy idiots.

jeeeeez let the girl wear what she wants! If you think you can do better and know more about their viewers why don't uou start your own show?

[wolfsbane3083]

Might be worth is for me seeing as my g25 is dieing. Also if the lack of sequential shifter is a problem just use a g25 shifter with the g27 should work a treat. :thumb:

[batteryy]

they cheated, you cant preorder it from amazon

[Matrixi]

Man... I'd so hit that!

http://nismo.1g.fi/hitit.jpg

[geeman1]

I'm missing the comparison to the GT3RS in your review, since it was clear the G27 isn't much more than an uprated G25... I mean, that's basically the big question when you're deciding on a new (affordable) high-quality wheel...I think the GT3RS is the better wheel (except the driver issues (?)). It's probably going to be more expensive than the G27 in total, since you need to buy separate pedals and a shifter, and G27s price is not going be 299 for long.

[Tomhah]

I think the GT3RS is the better wheel (except the driver issues (?)). It's probably going to be more expensive than the G27 in total, since you need to buy separate pedals and a shifter, and G27s price is not going be 299 for long.


You get the GT3RS wheel WITH the clubsport pedals (the good ones, with a load-cell brake-pedal) for $299. So to everyone who dont know anything about the wheel, visit www.fanatec.com (http://www.fanatec.com) and take a look at the GT3 RS wheel. I'll say that its better than the G27 (as it isnt much difference from G25, and their new updates is just some extra add's to what Fanatec already had on their wheels/pedals).

[Jambo]

Tbh. Im not even going to spend anymoney on another wheel. I bought my G25 last year, and it was an excellent upgrade from my Driving Force Pro. Yet now logitech think im going to spend another £150 or so, to have the same wheel with 4 extra buttons, and some pedals that can move.....

Personally, i believe the G25 is just as good. It has the ability of the sequential shifter, and to me is still very durable. (You just dont treat it like garbage and you wont have a problem).


Going to stick with the G25, and i wont be jealous of anybody with a G27, as ill be £150 better off, with an identical wheel.

[5haz]

Interesting, might be time to finally replace my wheel with broken pedals and pedals with broken wheel combination. :)

Or perhaps the prices of second hand G25s will drop, then again I don't like buying electronic equipment second hand, especially wheels which seem to wear out quite quickly.

[geeman1]

You get the GT3RS wheel WITH the clubsport pedals (the good ones, with a load-cell brake-pedal) for $299. So to everyone who dont know anything about the wheel, visit www.fanatec.com (http://www.fanatec.com) and take a look at the GT3 RS wheel. I'll say that its better than the G27 (as it isnt much difference from G25, and their new updates is just some extra add's to what Fanatec already had on their wheels/pedals).
You still need a shifter though. For example Act Labs shifter adds another $100 to the price.
G27 reference price is $299, but actual shops are probably going to sell it for less than that.

I agree though that the GT3RS wheel and the pedals are better than Logitechs offerings.

EDIT: The price difference is not that bad right now between GT3RS and G27. But G25 is currently much cheaper.

[troy]

they cheated, you cant preorder it from amazon

Didn't they talk about Race On when mentioning the preorder thing? At least I understood it like that.

http://www.amazon.com/Viva-Media-553-Race-On/dp/B002I9PQ00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249822232&sr=8-1

[Eleanor SpeedGT]

Wow hot

[-NightFly-]

Am I the only one to kind of prefer her over Megan?

yes

[obsolum]

Also if the lack of sequential shifter is a problem just use a g25 shifter with the g27 should work a treat. :thumb:
Nope, apparently that doesn't work (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1239529#post1239529).

[DevilDare]

This is an absolute joke....... :really:

They added buttons and removed a feature (Sequential shifting) and they think its a new product.....?

What a fail attempt to fight the Fanatec porsche wheels....

[morpha]

Well, I hate it! :razz:
The wheel itself is ugly, the pedals are essentially Niels Heusinkveld enhanced, just a bit worse and there's still no load cell on the brake pedal. The shifter, as you said in the review, is essentially the same, with stiffer springs which I think many G25 owners modded themselves anyway.

Nice review though :thumb:

[Gnomie]

This is great news for Fanatec I think. :) Probably all they hoped for and more. The GT3RS w/clubsports seems like a far more attractive deal I think (if they can finally get the damned drivers sorted!!), with the only downside being that you have to get a shifter separately.

[Takumi_lfs]

Enough about that wheel, guys stay on-topic :razz:

[Niels Heusinkveld]

They mentioned contactless sensors in the pedals, which I doubt.. Would like clarification as I fear they're the same old pots, but if they're not, thats good.

The helical gears should help smoothness a bit and noise a bit more.

I must say it is fairly funny to see them drive; you see huge input lag and very nervous driving.. More talent presenting a fairly decent youtube show than driving cars it seems! Still, good to have SRT around!

[DeadWolfBones]

huge lolz @ "predecessor to the G25"

[Niels Heusinkveld]

That too.. Ah well, successor, predecessor, ancestor, its all confusing I suppose :D

[anttt69]

You know the part where Shaun excitedly says "yes i am". The way he says it sounds like his answer to the question "are you tapping that?"

[obsolum]

you know the part where shaun excitedly says "yes i am". The way he says it sounds like his answer to the question "are you tapping that?"
lol :D

[Shotglass]

http://nismo.1g.fi/hitit.jpg

you up for a game of 'lets see if they managed to make the g25s gearing even louder'?

[JJ72]

This is an absolute joke....... :really:

They added buttons and removed a feature (Sequential shifting) and they think its a new product.....?

What a fail attempt to fight the Fanatec porsche wheels....

The upgraded the internal gearing and had an solution for the pedal spacing too.

I really don't understand the hate here, they are providing a improved product with the same price, not like they are going to take away your G25 after they come up with this......

and what do you expect more in this kind of price range?

Plus it will make the G25 price drop even more too.

[JJ72]

The raised and adjustable pedals and the rev light are both made for G25 by third parties. G27 will be good value for someone with no wheel, but if you already have G25 it's an insult.

How's that an insult?

If you have bought a G25 (like me), you would have enjoyed more than two years of reliable use (bar the shifter in some cases), and you can continue to do so regardless the G27 is coming out, what you paid is definitely paying off.

If the complain is that G25 is being made deliberately bad, to allow some lazy engineers to reap more money......it isn't a fair thing to say about what is still about the most bang for the buck wheel on the market, the quality of the wheel is solid.

[Matrixi]

Only thing I really have "against" this wheel, is that it could have been MUCH better.

I mean, it took them 3 years to add some silly toy-like looking buttons, drill a few extra holes to the pedals, change a few plastic gears (which should have been done in the G25 in the first place..) and remove the sequential option? It's hardly impressive.


The changes I were hoping for a G25 successor were:

- A possibility to bolt on a real racing steering wheel (OMP/Momo/Nardi etc) directly to the Logitech wheel hub without any extra adapters required. This would have only required making the hub diameter a couple centimeters larger and changing the bolt pattern of the factory wheel.

- Belt driven force feedback.

- Completely redesigned and tougher shifter.

- More maximum lock, atleast 1080 degrees.

- Higher quality, possibly brushless, electric motors for faster turning speed.

Those are the main things I'm unhappy with my G25, and the G27 "updates" don't really interest me much at all.

[AndroidXP]

Hmm, not so impressed to be honest. My personal favourite would be a G25 wheel with 4 instead of 2 round buttons, helical gears, G27 pedals (though they don't really matter G25 pedals can be easily modded anyway) and G25 shifter (mine's modded to use a plastic BB instead of the metal ball, though. That clicking was annoying). It's hard to say if a sturdier shifter would be worth losing the sequential mode, but I err on the side of "no."

Honestly the only real improvement I see are the helical gears. If I today had to decide between G25 and G27 then that'd be the only reason I'd have to think about it at all. Given the price difference, however, the G25 would almost definitely win.

[Shotglass]

Honestly the only real improvement I see are the helical gears. If I today had to decide between G25 and G27 then that'd be the only reason I'd have to think about it at all. Given the price difference, however, the G25 would almost definitely win.

pretty huge improvment though considering both g25s i had (very briefly) could be heard from 2 blocks away

[MijnWraak]

pretty huge improvment though considering both g25s i had (very briefly) could be heard from 2 blocks away
Then again, how much do they cost to be replaced? $5 at most? hmm, now I want to find some replacement helical gears for my g25 online...

[Greboth]

I have to say watching that I agree with some people about logitech. While I can see that have listened to what people have said about the g25 and improved on them like the noise and heel and toe pedals. To remove something like the sequential shifting on the gear lever seems to be stupid. While I can see that you have the paddles on the wheel still, I tired using paddles on the gtr's but at 540 degrees occasionally I would hit the paddles and change gear when I didn't want to so I used the sequential stick and I am sure there are alot of people who use the sequential stick instead of the paddles.

Overall I would say for Logitech +2 for improving the G25 but -1 for making it worse. So while it is an improvement it could of been so much better.

[SidiousX]

damn she's hot

[zeugnimod]

Your hostess would also do with some more clothes. It's an insult you think your viewers as easy idiots.

No comment on that after reading this thread. :x :D

[Gabkicks]

why would someone get this wheel over the fanatec 911 turbo ($249.95 +S&H)

would it be the G27's Styling? better pedals? more solid drivers/software? better track record for customer support and build quality?

[Sir moi 407]

yeah, she looks so hot in yellow.

wow hot

damn she's hot

:D

Talking about the wheel it-self, the only 2 things that make me prefer this one over the G25 are the RPM led and the 6 buttons in the wheel ;)

[The Moose]

No sequential? 90% of the cars i drive are sequential stick, so that's a huge minus, and as im using a DFGT that has more buttons than you can shake a stick at, 6 buttons on the wheel hardy thrills me. I love never having to take me hands of the wheel.

Overall... huge fail. The G27 could have been SO much more.

[JasonJ]

I'm sorry I asked now cause no sequential means

NO SALE

60% of cars I drive use sequential

oh yeah, thnx for the video SRT men :)

[Kristi]

If you see your G25 dying, why dont you exchange it for free with Logitech ? They changed mine to a brand new even after 3 years ...

About the G27 : Its like a new version (1.2) of G25, which is just silly to order. You can buy that led stuff, or even better for G25, which would cost like 70€ or so. The rest is pretty much the same...And those buttons are .... Yuck, makes the wheel look like a toy, not a serious racing wheel...

[Electric Eye]

Dear god she should cover herself up

[BlueFlame]

What a pity :/... i've always used sequential shifter with GTR cars :|.
Just use the paddles then instead....

Anywho, as a gamer wanting a G25, I think I'll get the G27 when I round up the cash. Seems like a good deal, and I'll be sure to offset those pedal faces for some l33t h33l and t03!

[Falcon140]

Thanks for the review guys. I'm considering it.

[DoC_uk]

No comment on that after reading this thread. :x :D


You speekz teh thruthz :thumb:

[DoC_uk]

Only thing I really have "against" this wheel, is that it could have been MUCH better.

I mean, it took them 3 years to add some silly toy-like looking buttons, drill a few extra holes to the pedals, change a few plastic gears (which should have been done in the G25 in the first place..) and remove the sequential option? It's hardly impressive.


The changes I were hoping for a G25 successor were:

- A possibility to bolt on a real racing steering wheel (OMP/Momo/Nardi etc) directly to the Logitech wheel hub without any extra adapters required. This would have only required making the hub diameter a couple centimeters larger and changing the bolt pattern of the factory wheel.

- Belt driven force feedback.

- Completely redesigned and tougher shifter.

- More maximum lock, atleast 1080 degrees.

- Higher quality, possibly brushless, electric motors for faster turning speed.

Those are the main things I'm unhappy with my G25, and the G27 "updates" don't really interest me much at all.


1 Size isn't everyting

2 belt driven .. so you like the way belts stretch over time ?

3 900 degrees is more than most race cars ( double arm cross anyone ) ?

4 why you want faster turning speed .. but more rotation ?



IMHO keep the wheel the same ..add 2 extra buttons ( of the same quality as the g25 ) + add pedal spacing for the chaps that like to heal toe + the quieter gearing is nice ( i get massive ear-ache if i use anything but 360 as the missus deems this to be too noisey)


just my thoughts ...wtf do i know

[hazaky]

Nice wheel, i really hope that they will turn down the prices on G25 now. Because i need a wheel too and dont have that much to buy overpriced stuff, or not overpriced :D

[shiny_red_cobra]

It won't bring G25 prices down. Companies don't usually compete with themselves unless they are very big. Logitech is not a very big company.

[JasonJ]

Correct me if I am wrong, but it is being released at the same price the G25 is at now? 300 euros correct?

So if it's the same price for either, what incentive is to get the G25? It would _have_ to be lower price yeah?


And FWIW, as of now I won't get a G27 if I ever need a new one, most likely I'll get a cheaper G25 and mod it to have a stiffer shifter. The ability to switch seq/h-gate far outweighs any improvements they have added for me.

Maybe someone will invent a MOD to add a seq mode into the shifter module.

[BlueFlame]

Correct me if I am wrong, but it is being released at the same price the G25 is at now? 300 euros correct?

So if it's the same price for either, what incentive is to get the G25? It would _have_ to be lower price yeah?


And FWIW, as of now I won't get a G27 if I ever need a new one, most likely I'll get a cheaper G25 and mod it to have a stiffer shifter. The ability to switch seq/h-gate far outweighs any improvements they have added for me.

Maybe someone will invent a MOD to add a seq mode into the shifter module.
300 dollars, not euros

[JasonJ]

ok sorry, I thought I saw 300 euro somewhere. But I looked up the prices..

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/wheels/&cl=gb,en
90669

What I meant (and now I see ShineyRedCobra meant this to :)) is the G25 is cheaper THAN the G27, but it looks like it is not cheaper to get. :D

edit:
woohaa wtf is going on here? (same price)
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/wheels/&cl=de,de
90674

[ErAri]

Well, many people in sequential cars use levies change, what´s the problem?

[JasonJ]

Well, many people in sequential cars use levies change, what´s the problem?:( Sorry I cannot understand what you mean can you re-phrase that?

Levies are fees payable for something.

[Mattesa]

Uhh... what's the problem?

It's a product refresh.

Who is saying that this is a successor product? And if Logitech marketing is, are you stupid enough to believe them?

It improves on the G25 and gives people who don't already have one more incentive to get one. I'm sure it's not aimed at existing owners. I for one am glad it doesn't make obsolete the G25.

However I gotta say that loosing the sequential is pretty dumb, as most sequential boxes should be lever actioned.

[Matrixi]

1 Size isn't everyting

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

2 belt driven .. so you like the way belts stretch over time ?
Uhh, my Act-Labs from ~2001 is belt driven and the belt is still as good as new, though it hasn't seen much use in the past couple of years.

3 900 degrees is more than most race cars ( double arm cross anyone ) ?
Several real life street cars have way more than 900, even over 1440 degrees like E30 BMW's. All cars in the world aren't race cars with über-quick steering you know.


4 why you want faster turning speed .. but more rotation ?
You kind of answered yourself there. More lock requires less resisting electric motors, try drifting in 900 degrees for a minute and you'll see.

I simply want a more realistic steering wheel, and I can't see how anyone could be against these proper suggested improvements. If you're happy going about using your G25 in 360 degrees, power to you. That doesn't mean everyone would be in the same boat.

[geeman1]

I simply want a more realistic steering wheel, and I can't see how anyone could be against these proper suggested improvements. If you're happy going about using your G25 in 360 degrees, power to you. That doesn't mean everyone would be in the same boat.Here: http://www.frex.com/gp/

[Matrixi]

Yeah, I only lack the 2000+ euros for a Frex wheel. :rolleyes:

The great thing about Logitech, is that they can stuff a superb amount of features for a low price wheel.

[dawesdust_12]

Yeah, I only lack the 2000+ euros for a Frex wheel. :rolleyes:

The great thing about Logitech, is that they can stuff a superb amount of features for a low price wheel.

I know, I was looking at something on Frex and I'm like "should only be a few hundred dollars".... ****ing like 800$ before shipping. That's ****ing insane.

Looked at it some more... almost 1000$ CDN after shipping and the inevitable Import taxes... For a ****ing SimConBase and the Stupid SimConMeter.

[CrAZySkyPimp]

Ummm, what did they say about the wheel again?

[Matrixi]

Looked at it some more... almost 1000$ CDN after shipping and the inevitable Import taxes... For a ****ing SimConBase and the Stupid SimConMeter.
Yep, tell me about it.

Last year I was "kind of" thinking about getting the Frex wheel because I could have afforded it. I mean 1400 euros + 400 euro shipping isn't all THAT bad considering this hobby is something I really love, but then I started calculating the import taxes. Because Japan isn't an EU country, the finnish customs would have taken the package in upon arrival and forced me to pay over 400 euros of nothing but import taxes before handing me over the packet! That's over 2200 euros for a racing wheel, utter madness.

If only Frex would have a retailer branch in the EU soil to avoid this stupid tax hell (and lower postage costs aswell), I wouldn't think twice about buying their hardware.

Meanwhile, I have to make due with the Logitech plasticness and hope for the G29(?) to be a lot more impressive than this G27.

[southamptonfc]

Gotta love that whoreware!

[Krane]

Dear god she should cover herself up
Hush you betrayer of the male sex! ;)

[SmegFirk]

huge lolz @ "predecessor to the G25"
Exactly my thought too. Just when I thought she was there for her knowledge heh

[Kristi]

You still would have to get pedals for that Frex GP, cause its without pedals :)

[P5YcHoM4N]

Bah, I lost interest in this when with the lack of SS, I use mine a lot (so much it is actually breaking), but I see no reason to change to the G27, I'd just buy another G25 and if I wanted the fancy pedals I'd just pick up some of the Porche GT pedals.

[Gnomie]

Because Japan isn't an EU country, the finnish customs would have taken the package in upon arrival and forced me to pay over 400 euros of nothing but import taxes before handing me over the packet! That's over 2200 euros for a racing wheel, utter madness.
It could be worse.. Norwegian authorities charge 38,4% import tax on anything from ANY country (EU or not). :(

For most people I believe $300 for a package including wheel + pedals + shifter is in the upper range of what they're willing to pay. There will always be some who don't mind spending far more, but their numbers are most likely too small for the big guys (like Logitech) to bother with. Besides, if Logitech decided to make a high-end product in the $500-1000 range they would meet serious competition from Frex, CST and others. So from a business point of view, $300 is probably about as high as they'll go.

[ErAri]

Do not be as this way of change is said in English.

Sequential, Shifter and...

This it is the one that I say.

[Vinnylegends]

Total fail by Logitech! :doh:

[RUF Tweaks]

What wheel?

[Shotglass]

You still would have to get pedals for that Frex GP, cause its without pedals :)

sure but you could get the comparatively cheap clubsports from fanatec which offer pretty much anything you could ever wish for in pc pedals

[radnes]

great tits:thumb:

[Vinnylegends]

Just to be honest.... :schwitz:
Those racing shoes/slippers just look fugly and make him look like a No-Lifer :D

[radnes]

Just to be honest.... :schwitz:
Those racing shoes/slippers just look fugly and make him look like a No-Lifer :D
you'd still do him though for realz

[Vinnylegends]

Oi! That's my secret :hide:

[jrd.racer]

i had no idea Darin and Shaun were in LFS

is Jessica around too?

[Vinnylegends]

Yeh would not be too bad eh?
Like 99% of the guys here will never meet her but heck why not? :D

[MAGGOT]

Little miffed about taking away the sequential shifter - THE best thing about the G25 was that you could emulate every type of shifting, and me being a GT-enthusiast the sequential shifter still is the most used by me...

Ditto. I'd like the extra buttons, but I'd much rather have the sequential mode. I even use it as a handbrake when playing RBR :tilt:

[logitekg25]

booooooo :( i am dissapoint (insert funny looking face here)

the helical gears should have been there first of all (DUH!!!) they should have just made a metal shifter (or atleast more solid) mis-match-able to the g25, and the new pedal thing. the g25 is too loud, more buttons needed, and the shifter was not good enough :shrug:

[mcintyrej]

booooooo :( i am dissapoint (insert funny looking face here)

the helical gears should have been there first of all (DUH!!!) they should have just made a metal shifter (or atleast more solid) mis-match-able to the g25, and the new pedal thing. the g25 is too loud, more buttons needed, and the shifter was not good enough :shrug:

The first human being to create fire didn't use a lighter - how could Logitech use the technology if they didn't have it?

"the g25 is too loud, more buttons needed, and the shifter was not good enough"

By my reckoning they fixed all of these issues ( to a certain degree) and put them into the G27.

Too loud = Gears
More buttons = Easy
Shifter = Smoother action, and i'm assuming less noise and clunkyness.

[SparkyDave]

All this ranting about the lack of sequential shifter.... can't you just set it up to use 3rd and 4th for shifting sequential cars? I take it the shifter will center itself I dont see the big deal.

I would like to see a "cheapish" replacement gear/cogs set to enable diy upgrade of the G25 to quality helical gears, would be a very popular 3rd party product IMO.

as for extra buttons I could do with a couple more on the G25 so for me appart from the lower db output thats the only big plus for the G27.

I would expect the 25 to be priced around 20-30 percent cheaper than the 27 by christmas.

Logitech may be a "small" company but they have a huge globally recognised brand.

SD.

[logitekg25]

The first human being to create fire didn't use a lighter - how could Logitech use the technology if they didn't have it?

"the g25 is too loud, more buttons needed, and the shifter was not good enough"

By my reckoning they fixed all of these issues ( to a certain degree) and put them into the G27.

Too loud = Gears
More buttons = Easy
Shifter = Smoother action, and i'm assuming less noise and clunkyness.

i think my point was those features should have been in the g25 to begin with (because they are all pretty easy to do :really:)

the lack of sequential is a huge down for anybody!

and if you used 3rd and 4th for sequential they wouldnt center, because if they did then h-pattern would also center which would be bad :shrug:

[mcintyrej]

i think my point was those features should have been in the g25 to begin with (because they are all pretty easy to do :really:)

the lack of sequential is a huge down for anybody!

and if you used 3rd and 4th for sequential they wouldnt center, because if they did then h-pattern would also center which would be bad :shrug:

Well the G25 was a significant improvement from the DFP, I think that's what they were trying to do.

Also, I'm not sure if you have the full concept of how companies have to research, plan, develop, test certain ideas to put into products. One person doesn't go "look I've made these gears a funny shape and its much quieter". They pour resources and money into researching these things.

Here I go again with my comparisons - When the first Ford Model-T rolled out of the factory why didn't they put air con, electric windows..etc. They all have to be pretty easy to do!

"the lack of sequential is a huge down for anybody!"

Not for anybody, the people who don't use it will be glad - since they get a better H-shifter as a result.

[cobra193]

Cool, now we'll see the really clever [G27] tags start showing up..

[G27] racer
[G27] FastJohn
[G27] I can't drive for sheet, but I sure do have a nice wheel

:schwitz:

[Alric]

Cool, now we'll see the really clever [G27] tags start showing up..

[G27] racer
[G27] FastJohn
[G27] I can't drive for sheet, but I sure do have a nice wheel

:schwitz:



That brightened up my day! haha :thumb:

[scipy]

The first human being to create fire didn't use a lighter - how could Logitech use the technology if they didn't have it?

Seriously, stop using argument fallacies. Helical gears have been around for decades, it was THEIR fault for not using them because straight cut gears are cheaper to produce. Stop being an ignorant dick, or at least try to.

[baSh0r]

I Stop being an ignorant dick, or at least try to..

[southamptonfc]

Helical gears slip easier. I'd take straight cut anyday

[Bob Smith]

There is good reason that race car gearboxes, along with the reverse gear in road cars, use straight cut gears.

Thta said, helical isn't inherently a problem, I'm sure the gears are designed to withstand the maximum torque of the motor by a sensible safety margin. It might start to cause issues for those people who modify their motors to provide more torque.

[Shotglass]

There is good reason that race car gearboxes, along with the reverse gear in road cars, use straight cut gears.

neither of which apply to pc controllers
noise really should be the main concern with wheel gearing especially when it comes to wheels as ridiculously noisy as the g25

[oldnavy]

Now i fully understand why they added only 2 buttons on G25 wheel :D because its almost only issue and noise from G25 dont makes me any probles so i think i will stick with it

[JJ72]

meh I never notice the noise when I use my wheel.

[obsolum]

meh I never notice the noise when I use my wheel.
Me neither :shrug: Makes me wonder what some people are on about.

[Shotglass]

you must be one of the lucky ones
toni and me both had wheels that made the entire desk resonate and were audible everywhere in the house

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

I rarely notice the noise my DFP is making when I'm in a race and it is quite noisy. My mates sometimes complain about it when I'm speaking with them on Ventrilo during a race. I think it's a good move from Logitech to make the G27 less noisy but the absence of sequential shifter means I probably won't buy the wheel.

[Matrixi]

Yeah, some of the very first G25's were pretty horribly loud. I had to return the one I bought in the launch day because it sounded like a hacksaw. The second one I got (in use now) of the newer revision isn't quite as bad, but still pretty loud compared to proper belt driven wheels.

I don't really care much of the wheel noise anymore now that I'm living alone, the headphones I use also mask most of it so I can't even hear it. DFP was much much much worse though. Drifting that sucker at night in 720 degrees earned me a few well deserved warnings. :D

[McDee]

There is good reason that race car gearboxes, along with the reverse gear in road cars, use straight cut gears.

That said, helical isn't inherently a problem, I'm sure the gears are designed to withstand the maximum torque of the motor by a sensible safety margin. It might start to cause issues for those people who modify their motors to provide more torque.

Would be much more of an issue for people who replace the wheel with a larger one (or F1 type) as the extra weight would do the same thing as a motor mod as far as the gears are concerned. Seems like a more common thing to do also.

PS: (Not to Bob) Complaining about the yellow dress?!? Seriously??? :really:

[DoC_uk]

There is good reason that race car gearboxes, along with the reverse gear in road cars, use straight cut gears.

Thta said, helical isn't inherently a problem, I'm sure the gears are designed to withstand the maximum torque of the motor by a sensible safety margin. It might start to cause issues for those people who modify their motors to provide more torque.

Yup , your post brought to mind messing about with minis in my youth , once you topped an A series engine off with a 16valve conversion the standard Gbox was on its very limit , so at the time a staight cut box was the recognised fix for this , no way you gonna strip that baby !!

But my god they were noisey :D

[Krane]

Just to be honest.... :schwitz:
Those racing shoes/slippers just look fugly and make him look like a No-Lifer :DMaybe so but I find the G25 pedals way too sharp on the edges and unconformable to be used only with socks. Besides, they got paid/otherwise compensated to use/plug them...

[Kazu2799]

anyone know when it's gonna be for sale? i need one lol my g25 is pretty much dead.

[logitekg25]

anyone know when it's gonna be for sale? i need one lol my g25 is pretty much dead.

contact logitech, they have excelent customer support, and might just replace it for you :shrug:

that is only if you did not open it though :schwitz:

[JasonJ]

Kazu2799
The Logitech G27 Racing Wheel is expected to be available in the U.S. and Europe in September for a suggested retail price of $299.99 (U.S.).

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/press/press_releases/6201&cl=us,en

Is Canada considered U.S. (North America) in the release of products?

[obsolum]

Kazu2799
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/press/press_releases/6201&cl=us,en

Is Canada considered U.S. (North America) in the release of products?
Of course, everyone knows Canada is just the US' 51st state :tilt:
:hidesbehi

[5haz]

Nah, Canada is the 7th state of the British Empire. :p

[neil_1980]

What wheel?

My thoughts exactly... I didn't see a wheel? :)

[Postman Pat]

I can't believe there's no sequential shift. Wouldn't consider buying one even though I mostly drive with H-shift.

[speedykev]

Nice legs shame about the wheel. :nod:

[WorkHorse]

If anyone is buying the g27 I'm interested in purchasing your old g25 (as long as its in decent condition). :thumb:

[Bandit77]

nice to watch... this girl. what was the review on?

[speedykev]

nice to watch... this girl. what was the review on?

Something to do with the G25:shrug:

[Lukaas]

she lost me at predecessor.....lol

[Gabkicks]

haha, yeah when she said predecessor, i had to pause the video and come back to it later. but maybe she was a bit nervous or had a lot on her mind. Another pretty good episode of SRT, production improves w/ each episode :) saw this like a few minutes after it came out, but I dont think i commented.

[mcintyrej]

nice to watch... this girl. what was the review on?

Logitech 32DD I think it was.

[pearcy_2k7]

Motorboat :nod:

[Klutch]

Your hostess would also do with some more clothes. It's an insult you think your viewers as easy idiots.
You're gay, right?

[ergin]

That Women looks Very nice! What for Big Boobs!:thumb: