Season 2?

[oldnavy]

Is there going to be an 2nd season of this nice cup? :)

[Wilko868]

Watch this space........:thumb:

[Koa128]

Still watching :D

[Wilko868]

Still watching :D
Watch till after the 16 hours :razz:

[adz2706]

Hey,
I've never entered a proper series before and thinking about entering if you continue this. What lap times should I be doing to be able to atleast keep up with the rest of you? -.o :)

[Wilko868]

Hey,
I've never entered a proper series before and thinking about entering if you continue this. What lap times should I be doing to be able to atleast keep up with the rest of you? -.o :)
It's always great to see new people come and start joining leagues :)

I'll post a link with the spdo database lap times and results etc when I next get the chance.

EDIT: http://spdoracing.com/eventdb/competition/323 you can download replays etc from there.

[adz2706]

Thanks :) Oh, do I have to enter as a team with two drivers? I saw that in a couple of other leagues. I'm a loner on LFS. :razz:

[Tomhah]

Thanks :) Oh, do I have to enter as a team with two drivers? I saw that in a couple of other leagues. I'm a loner on LFS. :razz:


Im pretty sure you can enter as a privateer ;)

[scotty2888]

YEs you can, I did last season. Planning to again for season two, unless a teamie joins me. :thumbsup:

[dan926]

scotty we want you to fail on your own :D

[scotty2888]

scotty we want you to fail on your own :D

:(

At least the walls love me. :razz:

[dan926]

i love you really maybe well put ginho in to keep you company :razz:

[Koa128]

Watch till after the 16 hours :razz:

:bump:

Bump and run :D

Any news yet?

[GreyBull [CHA]]

:bump:

Bump and run :D

Any news yet?

A little news from my side. I am still 100% behind a new season, and I am planning on running it alongside the second TBO Challenge season. Expect the start of the season around late January, early February.

:thumbsup:

[Koa128]

Wonder if there's going to be changes or new features for next season, I'm pretty sure there will be more drivers than in season 1 ;)

[jwardy]

;1307376']:thumbsup:
he better be true to his word , or il go to the * NORTH * and bitch slap him .

[Koa128]

You got my support Jeff ;)

[zeugnimod]

You got my support Jeff ;)

Who's Jeff? :D

[jwardy]

Who's Jeff? :D
was guna say :P

[Koa128]

My fault, messed it up nicely :D

(Was it Jack then?? )

[jwardy]

yes :P

[Wilko868]

Just a little news folks! When the series does launch, we will (hopefully) have sections on the NDR website and I may also decide to use the new, uber cool, sign ins mabob.

Anyways, see you all very shortly (especially Jeff) with some more news.

[Koa128]

No doubts about it, go for it Jeff :D:D

http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/name-change-kit.jpg

[TFalke55]

ahou? NDR haz got TBO and Roadsport challenge :)

[dekojester]

ahou? NDR haz got TBO and Roadsport challenge :)

Ja, me and Wilko are working at uber moderate pace to get everything done. :razz:

Actually, signups and all that lot should be up this week sometime. :thumbsup:

[TFalke55]

quick job :) nice... -> no holes in the NDR Even schedule :D

[danowat]

<- Watches this thread.......

[dekojester]

<- Watches this thread.......

Why ? The stuff will be posted in other threads. :D

All of the stuff I'm posting has gone through Wilko, and he gave a :thumbsup: to all so all complaints may in the end be directed to him. :smileypul

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[danowat]

I've just heard the races will be taking place at the weekends, so thats me out before its even started anyway!!!!

[dekojester]

I've just heard the races will be taking place at the weekends, so thats me out before its even started anyway!!!!

If there end up being massive problems with the races being on Saturdays, we can amend that too.

Provisional schedules will be up shortly, and can be pondered for changes if needed.

[danowat]

No worries mate, I'll keep an eye on the doings

[GFresh]

Saturdays? Pfft. I knew this would end up going tits up as soon as someone else started running it...

[Wilko868]

The races have been moved to the Saturday slot simply because I do not have the time to run it during the week. I have a life outside of LFS (scary I know), and I'm sure most of you also have lives outside of the sim, but you just have to bear in mind that both my schedule and the rest of the teams schedules conflicts with any league races ran on a weekday. I'm sorry to anyone unable to race due to the Saturday races, but there is simply nothing I can do about it. Even if we wanted the races during the week (which I personally don't) we just couldn't do it.

[Bean0]

Do you realise that the Westhill round on 20th Feb clashes with the DoP 24hr ?

[Wilko868]

Do you realise that the Westhill round on 20th Feb clashes with the DoP 24hr ?
No, no I don't realise. We'll iron that clash out as best we can.

[Wilko868]

Just so y'all are aware, I will open the sign ups at around 6pm GMT tomorrow evening. At first, I will allow anyone to sign up for both the TBO Challenge and Road Sport Cup if they so wish, or only one event. If either event fills up to 32+ sign ups, I will (kindly :)) ask drivers signed up for both series to drop one to let other competitors in the series, although thinking about it, I wouldn't worry too much about having to give up places in either series.

This is just to clarify you ARE permitted to run both the TBO Challenge AND the Road Sport Cup (any takers for double champion? :razz:)

[GFresh]

The races have been moved to the Saturday slot simply because I do not have the time to run it during the week. I have a life outside of LFS (scary I know), and I'm sure most of you also have lives outside of the sim, but you just have to bear in mind that both my schedule and the rest of the teams schedules conflicts with any league races ran on a weekday. I'm sorry to anyone unable to race due to the Saturday races, but there is simply nothing I can do about it. Even if we wanted the races during the week (which I personally don't) we just couldn't do it.


That's the exact reason i won't be racing on a Saturday, weekends are my (and 99% of the people i know) chance to be social.
I'm properly gutted that i won't be able to race in this series now, it's one of the main draws towards LFS for me.
I suppose i can rest easy in knowing, that the RSC that i loved, was dead and buried as soon as Danny decided to call it a day, i would have only been dissapointed during this new version :(

[Wilko868]

That's the exact reason i won't be racing on a Saturday, weekends are my (and 99% of the people i know) chance to be social.
I'm properly gutted that i won't be able to race in this series now, it's one of the main draws towards LFS for me.
I suppose i can rest easy in knowing, that the RSC that i loved, was dead and buried as soon as Danny decided to call it a day, i would have only been dissapointed during this new version :(
Well as I say, I can't please everyone with dates and times.

[GFresh]

Did you do a poll for the day change that i missed or something? we had a discussion about changing the day in a previous season and everyone was dead against it iirc...
Oh well, i'll just have to leave it.
Properly miffed...

[Wilko868]

Did you do a poll for the day change that i missed or something? we had a discussion about changing the day in a previous season and everyone was dead against it iirc...
Oh well, i'll just have to leave it.
Properly miffed...
It's simply the circumstances that we have the ability to run the series under.

[TFalke55]

the thing is the whole adminteam is kind of only free on weekends... it's not just Wilko, J@tko, JOE53PHS, hyntty and myself have more or less busy weeks, weekends are something of more available to us... I'm sorry that it hits you that way Fresh, but if we keep it within the week we might run out of admins, I fear...

[GFresh]

Meh, i suppose i could always start up a Classic RSC league to run on Thursdays, old skool rules. I might just put the feelers out and gauge for interest...

[Bean0]

It's starting to sound like you have maybe taken on too many leagues to run and spread yourselves too thinly.

IIRC Dan agreed to NDR taking over the running with the caveat that it did not significantly change. Now that you have announced it with a major change of raceday you should expect some criticism.

[JO53PHS]

It's starting to sound like you have maybe taken on too many leagues to run and spread yourselves too thinly.

I wouldn't say we've spread ourselves too thinly.. Since the merge with iCON we've now got 12 members. It's just that weekdays aren't really the best time for any of us.

[niall09]

Meh, i suppose i could always start up a Classic RSC league to run on Thursdays, old skool rules. I might just put the feelers out and gauge for interest...

Win!

Why do we need a whole admin team being around anyway?

The previous seasons were all fine and there was no one watching over us. It was just Dan went over anything unusual or a protest afterwards. The league was relaxed and laid back and I'm under the impression that it all might be lost under new reigns. :shrug:

[hyntty]

Well, I don't know what Chris/ Deko promised anyone. If he/they /whoever promised you two to run a league with the exact same rules on the same day you should have said "This is not what we agreed, please go **** yourself/selves."

Otherwise I'm not the one being a prick. No sensible person would ever start whining in some league subforum that it's ruined because it doesn't suit his schedule.

Besides, fighting over something this nontrivial is stupid. Anyone can run an event like he desires, whenever he desires. Here the only thing you are supposedly passing along is a name. Quite frankly I don't understand at all why there had to be such a fuss about it, on both sides.

[boothy]

It's starting to sound like you have maybe taken on too many leagues to run and spread yourselves too thinly.

IIRC Dan agreed to NDR taking over the running with the caveat that it did not significantly change. Now that you have announced it with a major change of raceday you should expect some criticism.

Indeed, it shouldn't take the entire NDR team to run an event, there's no safety car, the entire admin involvement should be to be start and monitor the sessions.

The schedule is basically just the spare weekends after considering MoE, GTAL, DoP, the Kyoto 250, and starting in February I assume, IGTC. All on Saturdays. Leaves it feeling like an unimportant piece of crap that no one else bothered to admin so NDR felt that they had to. Quality not quantity please.

And yes, I liked the previous TBOC, it felt amateurish but not that untoward, also fun with the Race and Rally UK-style broadcast and relaxed for me the noob. The RSC seemed like a easy going series as well, something I would've liked to try.

[dekojester]

Alright, folks: Here's the deal:

1) I'm going to edit out the attacking/useless/trolling/abusive/senseless parts of posts to clean this thread up. It does neither NDR or CR|'s reputations any good to leave that up. If you want to argue and sling words, do it without polluting this forum.

2) I'm going to submit 3 options to Wilko to decide what to do with Road Sport Cup. We'll discuss them and decide what can be worked on. It will involve keeping things as the plan is now (with schedule mods to sort conflicts), finding a way to run it on Thursdays (or any other day), or simply not running it.

3) The plan for this is not to have 5 admins present...the hope was to have one person to watch things to make sure it's all clean and green and work the commands and answer any questions, and have someone to help with a broadcast...just having a broadcast doesn't make it high profile, it just enables the racers to have a way to watch their race after and is something special for fun, and lets people who like to watch good quality racing watch good quality racing without having to get the mpr or use remote.

Several people here seemed to have overreacted...can we please take time to not post with rage and other abusive remarks or not going into "disaster it's all ruined" mode please in future, it saves time and stress to certain people who try to keep these things clean.

We'll work to make sure that these things get sorted to the best to the majority.

[danowat]

While it is dissapointing that the series "may" be run at the weekend, in reality nobody "owns" the rights to either the series name, or the idea of running a series featuring the cars.

Although I would be dissapointed if the series continued at the weekend using the current series name, I have no power, or will to stop it, but all I will say is, in the contact I had with NDR prior to this, I had stated I had no problem with anyone taking on the series, however, I wanted the series to remain "as it was", and moving the races to the weekend is clearly a large change.

Personally, I can see an amicable solution.

NDR continues to run their season, as they want to run it, but as an honourable jesture, they rename it to something else.

Not only would this enable NDR to run their champoinship as they see fit, it also enables the RSC to be run, maybe by someone else, maybe by me, in the exact manner it was run in the past.

I have no desire to get into an "politics" over this though.

[GFresh]

Personally, I can see an amicable solution.

NDR continues to run their season, as they want to run it, but as an honourable jesture, they rename it to something else.

Not only would this enable NDR to run their champoinship as they see fit, it also enables the RSC to be run, maybe by someone else, maybe by me, in the exact manner it was run in the past.


Me, being the guy that whines from CR, thinks this is a win :)

[dekojester]

While it is dissapointing that the series "may" be run at the weekend, in reality nobody "owns" the rights to either the series name, or the idea of running a series featuring the cars.

Although I would be dissapointed if the series continued at the weekend using the current series name, I have no power, or will to stop it, but all I will say is, in the contact I had with NDR prior to this, I had stated I had no problem with anyone taking on the series, however, I wanted the series to remain "as it was", and moving the races to the weekend is clearly a large change.

Personally, I can see an amicable solution.

NDR continues to run their season, as they want to run it, but as an honourable jesture, they rename it to something else.

Not only would this enable NDR to run their champoinship as they see fit, it also enables the RSC to be run, maybe by someone else, maybe by me, in the exact manner it was run in the past.

I have no desire to get into an "politics" over this though.

On my perfectly honest view, I never, and from some discussions with others, never saw a changed date as a "major change" to the format of a series.

If we had implemented SCs, or somesuch, that's what I consider a major change...a date is a date if I'm honest on my view of it. The way and how a race is run is the format, and are the only changes that would be large.

The solution to run it but rename it is not acceptable on my view. I don't even see keeping our idea going on its current track as acceptable at this time...the only options I see are to return it to Thursdays and schedule someone do to the /qual and /restart etc commands and get replays posted; or scrap us running it altogether.

I will discuss it with Wilko, and we will come to a decision that will be made as soon as possible.

:shrug:

[AstroBoy]

Why change the date?
I mean if you were going on board to take over the series why not take over it and not make room in your schedule's to account for the date?
If its to run a broadcast and have multiple admins on hand, thats rather poor excuse to be honest.

And using a "I have a life" excuse is also poor, everyone does.

I just felt like having a rant :) kthxbaii

[dekojester]

Why change the date?
I mean if you were going on board to take over the series why not take over it and not make room in your schedule's to account for the date?
If its to run a broadcast and have multiple admins on hand, thats rather poor excuse to be honest.

And using a "I have a life" excuse is also poor, everyone does.

I just felt like having a rant :) kthxbaii

All points were answered in some form or another in post #48 (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1346859#post1346859).

[AstroBoy]

All points were answered in some form or another in post #48 (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1346859#post1346859).

*sadface* :(
Always one step ahead.

[Wilko868]

Ok...

The behaviour from BOTH parties in this argument has shocked me to be honest. I haven't a clue what Timo has been on, and am quite frankly dissapointed to see him stoop that low and behave in such a manner. However, I am also rather dissapointed in the manner people have shown us their displeasure at the day change. Things such as...

Saturdays? Pfft. I knew this would end up going tits up as soon as someone else started running it...

...are nothing but unhelpful to me and the team. What's wrong with a simple "Is there any chance of a day change?" nowerdays? Why draw conclusions now? All you accomplish in doing by telling me it's all gone "Tits up" is annoy or insult me. Not needed.

With regard to the day change, I have now seen the drivers of previous seasons (all be it not how I would like to) and I am very close to tweaking the schedule, moving the RSC to the Thursday prior to a TBOC raceday, which would still stay on a Saturday. A change I will also make, irrelevant to a day change of the RSC going ahead or not is reworking the race timetable (which I admit after looking over it a few more times is total rubbish).

But PLEASE guys, don't start insulting me, the series or the team (except if it's Timo) if anything is not perticularly to your liking. Just let me know via PM or in the brand new 'Suggestions' thread, opened to stop arguments like this starting again, in a CIVILISED manner.

All schedule changes will be made prior to sign-ups opening at 6pm tonight for both series.

Thanks

Chris

[danowat]

Chris, you are over reacting to the comments from both sides, don't take it personally, I am sure its not meant in the way you are taking it.

Might have been an idea to sound out the day change idea a bit earlier than a couple of days before the sign ups?

There are a lot of LFS'ers who raced in the RSC because of its Thursday timeslot.

[Wilko868]

Chris, you are over reacting to the comments from both sides, don't take it personally, I am sure its not meant in the way you are taking it.

Might have been an idea to sound out the day change idea a bit earlier than a couple of days before the sign ups?

There are a lot of LFS'ers who raced in the RSC because of its Thursday timeslot.
I'm not the one taking this to heart! ;) (Deko will know what I mean)

Yes, it would have been a good idea to get the day changes sorted earlier than now to be brutally honest. I may postpone the sign ups on the RSC for a few days after the schedule change, I'll see what the craic is.

[GFresh]

Yeah, my "Tits up" quote has been read (read typed) wrong to be honest, looking back over it again. It perhaps should have read...

"Saturdays? Pfft. I knew this would end up going tits up for me as soon as someone else started running it..."

I'm sorry if it was taken the wrong way, and i don't wish to stir up arguments or any hatred. I had just grown very fond of the RSC and was gutted that i wasn't going to be able to take part in any future seasons.

[Wilko868]

Yeah, my "Tits up" quote has been read (read typed) wrong to be honest, looking back over it again. It perhaps should have read...

"Saturdays? Pfft. I knew this would end up going tits up for me as soon as someone else started running it..."

I'm sorry if it was taken the wrong way, and i don't wish to stir up arguments or any hatred. I had just grown very fond of the RSC and was gutted that i wasn't going to be able to take part in any future seasons.
No hard feelings matey, sorry from NDR as a whole for our reactions to your posts that we have obviously mistaken.

Anyway, you don't know whether you can compete in further series as yet. I'll make a final decision on the race day when Mr Palmer wakes up. :)

[Wilko868]

(who I will probably get flamed by within the next 35 seconds for making this decision)

What did I say? :razz:

[GreyBull [CHA]]

No fcking point then, waiting for ages for this to come back round now i can't race because i wasn't hawking the league section. And im still half way down on a quite large waiting list. Great way to treat people who drove when the series wasn't so full last year. I think everyone would be pretty annoyed if the same happened in iTCC/MoE/IGTC no? Coincedence they're the most sucessful leagues in LFS, i think not.

Sorry to say, but if there's a priority, I don't see why it should be done to "some people" who actually bothered to show up once, and only finished 1 race out of the two they've taken part in. I fail to see how this kind of guys improved the series overall, and therefore I fail to see why they should get some kind of privilege.

There I've worsened the argument:( Bad me:(

Good luck Wilko

[pearcy_2k7]

Im not bragging (well i suppose i am) i beat the previous WR by 2-3 tenths in qually, won race 1, made the biggest progress in race 2 until me and Jack had an off and you don't want me to drive? Like i said, the rounds after i couldn't make due to other stuff and whilst i only joined with 2 races left i didn't see the need to go totally out of my way to race FE2 which is the worst car for the XRT anyway or the last round which i wasn't even around for iirc when there wasn't a championship to contend for. But whatever, suit yourselves.

[Wilko868]

Im not bragging (well i suppose i am) i beat the previous WR by 2-3 tenths in qually, won race 1, made the biggest progress in race 2 until me and Jack had an off and you don't want me to drive? Like i said, the rounds after i couldn't make due to other stuff and whilst i only joined with 2 races left i didn't see the need to go totally out of my way to race FE2 which is the worst car for the XRT anyway or the last round which i wasn't even around for iirc when there wasn't a championship to contend for. But whatever, suit yourselves.
When the series was announced it was strictly first come - first served due to the fact that:

a) It gives every person from TBOC pleb (Ellis) to TBOC ace (Ramon) the opportunity to compete.

b) The drivers turning up : sign ups ratio was appalling in the 2009 season.

i beat the previous WR by 2-3 tenths in qually, won race 1, made the biggest progress in race 2 until me and Jack had an off and you don't want me to drive?

And you believe that just because someone is faster than another that they have a right to push someone slower out? :really:

End of discussion.

[pearcy_2k7]

Suppose you haven't seen me race then, go watch Race 2 at BL1R.

Whats more exciting 2 people fighting for 8th place in 1 race, or more people fighting for 1st 2nd and 3rd and the championship, take me off the reserve list, you really don't deserve a sucessful race series, see you when it fails.

[J@tko]

And perhaps with that attitude that's a good thing. Watch Ellis's angry dog on your way out. :wave:

EDIT By JO53PHS: My dog is a nice dog you fool :rolleyes:

[pearcy_2k7]

You might be cocky now, just remember where you were 2 years ago and how quickly the community can put your team back on your ass if/when they get tired of your bullshit.

[Wilko868]

Right this is FINISHED.