How to pull a girl racer.

[Becky Rose]

"r u a pussy?" and "r u female?" are not good ways to start a conversation when spotting a female racer and wanting to be sure before you start your smooth moves.

When you talk to a man online you talk about the game, try to do this with girls too ... They're playing the game because they enjoy it and they're into racing ... it's a shared interest and something which might help the two of you get to know each other.

So try not to start with "a/s/l?".

Scoping out your potential "hussy" for potential based upon age and location - after confirming their sex of course - is not going to get you very far.

I am a woman, and I play LFS.

I watch the conversations online and never once have I seen anyone else get asked their sex or age, every now and then I see people get asked where they are from. Yet conversations with me in over 90% of cases always start with age / sex / location.

Do you honestly believe I give i'd date a freak I met on the internet? The answer, before you give opinion, is no. There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS - but it wont be because they kept interupting my frikkin driving by demanding my a/s/l and not letting up until I answer when i'm trying to race (or more likely, trying not too crash).

If you really really want to date a girl you meat on LFS, try being normal. Try not being judgemental over whether she's really a woman, and instead of harassing her whilst she is trying to race - how about lending a hand instead of crashing into her because you want her attention.

I don't log on to LFS because I want the server to fall over themselves around me. I log on to race cars because I love car racing, motor racing is in my family.

What's more, i'm middle-aged and too old for half of you, and not attractive enough for the other half.

I just want to race, if I want to play a dating game i'll sign up for ICQ or something.

And I really do not give a damn about whether you believe i'm female or not, I dont have to prove anything to any of you - other than that i'm safe enough to be on the same track, which is arguable.

[Jethro!]

a/s/l ? :nana:

[Bean0]

Its funny because its true...

http://www.stuartbaker.dsl.pipex.com/gifs/girlsonline.gif

:D

[GP4Flo]

Just put a "Yes, I'm a girl and I don't want to date you." on your F-keys. Or better race on private servers in organized races or leagues so they won't ask you the same questions over and over again.

[Vain]

To be honest I'd just use the - key...
Anyway, I find it entertaining enough that a thread like this is necessary. ;)

Vain

[filur]

a/s/l ? :nana:

lol :)

Anyway, the type of people you're aiming this post at most probably won't bother reading it, and the ones who do read it probably don't fit the profile. Average age of the licensed lfs'er should be a good bit above 20 so let's hope you've just happened to run into some below-average-ones, regarding more then age perhaps.

[STROBE]

<snip>
lmao that's quality - so c'mon, dish the dirt, who's been stalking you around LFS Land? :D

[Shotglass]

lmao that's quality - so c'mon, dish the dirt, who's been stalking you around LFS Land?

why dont we place bets on who it might be until she answers ?

winner gehts her a/s/l :)

[Ardent]

If I was a girl who just wants to race I would just hide the generally irrelevant information of my sex. That is a really easy task on a game like this, and no one will bother me then. If I would instead choose to give clear hints then I cannot be astonished by the outcome, since this kind of childish behaviour you describe is known all over the internet.

You obviously did give hints, and not enough with that. You go over to the forum saying:
I am a woman, and I play LFS. ok, so now everyone knows it. You even have some more information you want everybody to know.
[...] i'm middle-aged and too old [...] and not attractive enough
It could just be me, but my guess is, you are looking for some attention rather than being harrassed.

If you really really want to date a girl [...] try being normal.
yeah, sure, thanks for the tip ...

[thisnameistaken]

Sounds like someone's... :x

[Tick]

Becky I was on a server with you for a short time the other night, I thought it strange a female would publish a girls name knowing good and well that you are going to be harrassed.

I think its great your racing LFS, You will be looking a long time to find maturity in a video game that is dominated by boys.

For those of you who are older and show the proper respect im not talking about you.

You wont get that crap from me. Nothing more or less than a fellow racer.
Dont let the few out way the many. Over all this is a great group of people!

Tick

[bbman]

Well, I raced a girl once, her name could have been a both male or female, but her skin was kinda cliché (-ish) for a girl... As soon as she said she's a girl (which the others obviously haven't figured out), the questioning began... And it was exactly this a/s/l-bs I wouldn't have expected to be in LfS... :shrug: When I asked them if they just hit puberty, they just answered that they just wanted "to welcome such a rare species" (quote)... :Looking_a

Strange, I never got such a "welcome" (did I miss something?), so why does she?

[Jethro!]

I've raced with Becky a few times and have never seen anyone hassle her, I guess she just ran into a random idiot... just like we all do from time to time. (wreckers, etc.)

My question is... If it is such an annoyance for you WHY don't you change your name to "Fatguy" or something like that?

[Jonesy_]

Gimme some, I know you have.

[(SaM)]

It's psychology. It's a thing some male minds do when they come across a woman. When he plays LFS, wich is a community, he feels like he's in another world and sees things in another perspective. Women are rare in LFS, this way the woman becomes special and the man becomes interested.

If he came across this certain woman on the street, 99/100 times he wouldn't even look. Because in the real world, women are NOT rare.

[mr_x]

i was 18 last week, and i dont really care who i race against wether it be male/female... 10 year olds or 80 year olds, i just want to have fun with no stupid moves/wrecking, i have noticed that alot of LFS players get all edgy if a female or a 10 year (examples) old comes in the server thinking they are gonna hit everyone... but they end up not hitting anyone at all being alot cleaner than some of the slightly older racers.

in the end we are all humans and we should all respect each other (wreckers may be discluded from that statement if needed). i play alot of games, im in a clan for CSS and we have had 3 female members, they were all treated the same as the other members, thats the most female gamers ask! just give them respect and you will get respect back!

EDIT: also someone said above why race with an obvious name... why not? its their choice after all!

just my thoughts on the subject, hope it made sense...
Chris

[Becky Rose]

A see a few of you think "i'm asking for it". Yes I could do the whole leet hacker thing and take a handle, in fact i've been thinking about doing that except I am already in a league and it's a darn inconvenience - but you still get player account names when you login and stuff anyway so it wouldn't really hide anything.

Actually things are not too bad in S2 and i'm not complaining of being sexually harassed, don't missunderstand the post please, i'm just finding it very frustrating to have the exact same conversation over and over, and I know darn well where it's headed. I'd rather just race.

I actually don't want to hide who/what I am, I like having a car skin with pink flashes on it and stuff - just because i'm escaping reality to play LFS doesn't mean I want to escape being a woman - although some argue (and they do above) that unless I pretend to be a man then clearly i'm just asking for it.

[th84]

we have a girl on our team ''liliana''.... she just tells everyone that shes 250lbs and has 4 kids.. it seems to quiet the room :)

tukko always flirts though.... i think he likes them big!!

just ignore them becky, eventually they will get the picture :)

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Actually I agree. The point is that you should be free to be yourself, and express yourself as you are.

[Becky Rose]

Seeing as I just made these for my desktop (albiet at larger res), and this is a worship me thread of sorts :) ... i'll find a way to include this in the conversation - if nothing else it might change the conversation now that i've said my piece :) !

You just can't poke fun like this whilst pretending to be androgenous...
http://www.bansheestudios.com/img/skin1.jpg

And admit it, this is a very stylish race car...
http://www.bansheestudios.com/img/skin2.jpg

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Beauteous....

Still doesn't beat my food car though. :D

[Ardent]

Actually I agree. The point is that you should be free to be yourself, and express yourself as you are.

you mean like this ?

There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS

that sounds like a real annoyed woman who just wants to race. :smileypul

[speedykev]

Nice Skin :thumb:

[AJS]

There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS

First meat ? Freudian slip ? :D

I know a girl who likes cars and drives fast ... she´s cool but damn i couldn´t convince her to race LFS ... yet :jedi:

[Tukko]

we have a girl on our team ''liliana''.... she just tells everyone that shes 250lbs and has 4 kids.. it seems to quiet the room :)

tukko always flirts though.... i think he likes them big!!
better big girls than boys th :smileypul

nice skin Becky, it makes me wanna hug your FOX.. :thumb:

ps. most of us are normal in real life :really:

[JohnPenn]

How to pull a girl racer?

I want to pull a 42 at as Nat

John

[sgt.flippy]

Yea... in real life that is :Looking_a And I agree that making your name more manly isn't the solution, and it shouldn't be seen as "asking for it", but in my opinion, putting on the back of your car: this driver is blonde, that's asking for it. With all the cliché hot blond stuff, you should know lots of guys like blond and go crazy when they see one. Well, not me, I hate blondes :D

Talking about big girls, I recently saw an add on teletext for hot dating with fat tatini with DD cup:pillepall

[Madman_CZ]

heh what a thread!

i do feel sorry for the female racers on lfs who encounter such idiots in the game... theres seriously no need for it, why treat the opposite sex in a different way? and start al this crap with a/s/l bollocks!!!! like that matters when you race online...... those guys must have been right old t***s who probably sit in there room expelled by society who have nothing better to do then get over excited when they see a female racer in lfs....

its a shame the gaming community is like this and this is seen in many other games!!! atleast we know why games and people who play them get an image of being imature....

i recon its great that girls play games.. its nice to see what is mainly a male dominated market tho recently i have met other girls who play games...

next time becky just hit the block messages button or just join anoter more mature server....

and good luck with lfsing!!!! home to see ya on track sometime!!!

mad!

*edit: with the name!! i recon "blonde" is classic and you should keep it, some people should just grow up and stop being so childish! u can have any name u want on ur car and u shouldnt change it!! there will always be stupid people who will start blonde jokes and start asking whether ur a female simply coz they havent reached maturity..

[Racer Y]

A/S/L????
A= Old
S= Yeah, right. See "A"
L= where else? Just like you. In front of a box somewhere, absorbing radiation.

BTW I like the skin :)

[sgt.flippy]

A: the head or the body?
S: no thank you, not in need
L: gonna visit me around the world?

[Gabkicks]

yeah i kinda feel sorry for girls on the internet getting harrassed :p. its pretty much like that in all games. but at least in mmo games if you're a girl everyone gives you free stuff. its mostly just the immature guys that try and hit on females online.

[filur]

but at least in mmo games if you're a girl everyone gives you free stuff.

And 75% of the girls getting free stuff are.. guys. :)

[Tweaker]

A/S/L stuff is so stupid... I normally see Brazilian players online asking that stuff (they are horndogs :p)...not that I have any grudges towards people who ask that, but to be honest, LFS has like 99% men who play this game. It is very alarming and also striking that a female would play a racing game... and enjoy it! So when there IS a female driver on the track, a lot of people are curious (some wonder why their arse is being beat by a girl too!!! :D). Whenever I see a girl in LFS, of course I want to talk to them, it is afterall an opposite sex that men normally have attention towards isn't it?

I know one girl, tinyk in particular, probably didn't like me asking for her picture, but I am not trying to get anything out of that, I just tease (have asked numerous times, even though I really don't care if she gives it to me or not, it is just funny how defensive they are (but I can't blame them with how scary the internet is these days)). I know there is no way in hell a girl will give out any personal information over the internet... some do, but most don't. But I like to make friends, and I do have a lot of girl friends (not relationship kind) that I talk to around here in person, and online. It is only fitting that I would like to get to know other women online... I mean there is no interest or desire in talking to guys online :zombie: See what I mean?

If you are getting harassed with all that stupid, "Hey Baby :icon23:" talk, chances are they know they have no chance in the world to try and "pick you up"... and I am sure most guy's reasons for asking are just purely interest, curiousity, or they are just lonesome.... heheh. Also not to mention, they would probably LOVE to have a girlfriend that plays LFS... so they don't feel like a nerd, lmao.

I only know a total of 3 girl racers in LFS, and now you are 4th on the list. Nice to know you enjoy LFS, and nice skins! ;)

[Tweaker]

Don't fall for it Becky, Tweak will take the mature/sly approach. He just wants your ASL really.

Don't fall for it Becky, Clownpaint is just taking the bodyguard approach.... heck I am sure immature clowns scare you anyways................

[spankmeyer]

Never underestimate the arousal levels of young men trapped in front of a monitor in momma's basement, with a year's supply of Mountain Dew next to them.

[tinyk]

lol you guys are nuts. :) Don't worry Becky they get over it after awhile. I used to wonder if some countries had shortages of females. lol :D The majority are really nice guys and gentlemen. :)



~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[shim]

i got a female in me drift team.. she is good for a laugh with wha comes outta her mouth at times, but i make her laugh just as much with wha comes outta mine.. almost had another one join, but due to personal commitments it aint happened.. but might still later on down the track.. :)

as Tinyk said, after a while they get over it.. just gotta wait it out.. seen it happen many times in previous games ive played.. at one point there was 5 females in the same team with like 15 guys.. now that was hell when some people found out we had that many gals in the team.. :P

[96 GTS]

Becky's points are 100% valid, but if you think this is bad, you should see what female Halo players go through. My girlfriend loves to play Halo 2 on Xbox live, (she likes LFS too, but that's a different story.) I've never heard more derogatory comments directed towards anyone than by these guys playing Halo. I've been on a couple servers with Becky, and while there are questions asked, they are generally pretty tame, at least what I've seen.

(And for those who have asked before, yes she is attractive, and no, I'm not sharing pictures :P)

[tinvek]

on air attack we had a few female pilots

they always had to put up with various "it must hurt when your flaps get damaged" type remarks.

emily was a really good pilot who flew im our squadron, things then got confused because her husband took over her id for about 12 months without telling anyone till he got a guilt trip

meanwhile we also had to endure another of our pilots, pammy, being chatted up regularly. trouble is pammy was a bloke right from the start who just liked pammy anderson :)

[sgt.flippy]

(And for those who have asked before, yes she is attractive, and no, I'm not sharing pictures :P)

Are you sure? :razz:

I have no problem "harassing" women in games, or on the internet, and why not? Because now I have a relationship with one of those, and now we're almost dating for 2 years. 1 April it'll be 2 years. So don't stop harassing ladies, you never know what can come from it :razz: (A relationship that ends your life as you know it, or a slap in the face)

I made over 100 posts! Weird, yesterday I had 98, thought, tomorrow when I post I have to say something about it, now it's my 102nd :zombie:

[v4forlife]

i have a pink skin(car skin), and i sometimes have my lfs in game screen name pink too, nothing wrong with pink. and being a female who plays, so.....th84 is really a woman....so is zeugnimod. and ive heard that tristian is thinking about it, but nothings final yet.

[Greboth]

Ive raced people with pink skins and pink names, which suggested gurls but i dunno sum guys drive with pink skins, specially drifters. I have nothin against that or women playing lfs. I think its good need more gurls playin. I reli dont care if im racing 8 yr old or and 80yr old, male or female. I look at the connection list when i join a server see if theres anyone i know. Then i only use names if it arises i get hit or something, where names are needed.
Guy or girl - if ur faster then go you lol, if they are faster try and catch them. LFS is a racing game in the end not a dating agency, so come on guys does it matter if guy or gurl?

And Sgt. flippy - you shoudl only celebrate number of posts when you beat tristan lmao. Oh wait that not gonna happen :p

[sgt.flippy]

If I want to catch up with tristan, with this rate of posts, I need to be 80 years old, tristan has to die tomorrow, and I need a whole lotta sausage.

*edit*
I calculated it, if tristan stops posting right now, and I keep posting at this level, I need 1169.874476987447698744769874477... days, to catch on. That's 3.2051355533902676677938900670602 years.

[zeugnimod]

.....th84 is really a woman....so is zeugnimod.

:shhh: :shy:

[sgt.flippy]

hi, what's your ASL? :D

[zeugnimod]

Do a little work yourself.

Its all in the profile. :p

Dont be too disappointed. ;)

[sgt.flippy]

Why would I be disappointed, nothing to be disappointed about in there. I'm just lucky I live so far away from you :razz: Safe distance :D Although it only would take a few hours in the train/car to reach you :scratchch :tilt:

[Tukko]

Why would I be disappointed, nothing to be disappointed about in there. I'm just lucky I live so far away from you :razz: Safe distance :D Although it only would take a few hours in the train/car to reach you :scratchch :tilt:
wait a while horny boy, SHE promised to send some nekked pics on sccc forum :thumb:

... when it's alive again.. some day.. :Looking_a

[zeugnimod]

But only in private team forums, so nothing for you to look at! :p :D

I saw it just now, there are 2!! bunnies above me. :eek:

[sgt.flippy]

If I can reach her, I could try to see it live :D And about that horny boy... I said nothing horny :Looking_a You're starting about naked picture, you perv! And if she actually wrote: nekked pics, I bet you'll be getting pictures of her neck :scratchch


Private forums ey, where do I need to sign in?

[zeugnimod]

You would need to become a member of the team, but we already have one bunny. ;)

You miss a lot, I have a beautiful neck. :p

[sgt.flippy]

Yea, well, uhm... I'm sgt.flippy, not bunny :razz: I bet you don't have one of those? I'll make a sgt.flippy skin! (About time I do that, I've been thinking about it for ages now).

I want confirmation and visible proof of that neck! I love necks :D Except when they're burned and uuuuh, red.

[Tukko]

omg... maybe you 2 should do this with private messages!! :heart: :icon23:

[sgt.flippy]

You really are a perv!
A little test for you to see if you are a perv: I'm eating nuts. What are you thinking?
And if my girlfriend finds out about this conversation, she's gonna kill me, I think:schwitz:

*secretly checks pm-box*

[zeugnimod]

Here you have a picture of my nice neck! :D

[sgt.flippy]

Try to kiss down on that one :pillepall you do have a nice brown tan, but it looks like tan-in-a-bottle, lots of white spots in between!

[zeugnimod]

Pff, I take that as an insult. I stop this conversation now! :D

(And hope, you didnt really believe that, lol.) :p

[sgt.flippy]

awww, bye bye now, have a nice life :thumb:
I'll miss you!! :D

2 days later
hmm, seems like I posted a lot in this thread... hm, who the hell is that guy I'm talking to all the time :scratchch

[Tukko]

2 days later
hmm, seems like I posted a lot in this thread... hm, who the hell is that guy I'm talking to all the time :scratchch
are you sure those nuts weren't out of date.. :pillepall
nice one Z, another broken heart!

[Funnybear]

Many people think I'm a girl. . . . .

(I'm wondering if I should just leave it at that?)

Sometimes I even I think I'm a girl. I ask myself a/s/l. Then slag myself of for being a bigoted, egotistical, sexually frustrated, stereotypical man. And my girlfriend thinks so too . . .

[sgt.flippy]

Actually I'm not sure, they came from some cheap store, had them in the cupboard a while, and I opend them yesterday. :x

My belly is starting to hurt...

I'm gonna cry! :tilt:

Funnybear? Are you a lesbian:Looking_a

[Hyperactive]

Bah! I read the whole thread hoping to find some über seksy nuud piccies of hot babes and only thing i see is a pic a giraffe and 2 pics of XRT/FOX! (hey fox ;))

:shrug:

:nerd:

[sgt.flippy]

And I had a strange feeling in my belly when she said here is the pic of my sexy neck, when I opend it I almost fell of my chair :chairfall

I think I have found your neck on google earth.

I haven't posted this much in a thread ever! Too bad she's gone now :razz:

see ya laterz :wave:

schüss!

[Bramski]

Hit the Minus key "-" in game. that's what I do when I just want to race.

[Fonnybone]

Ahhh, now this is an original thread. I get annoyed myself at some guys
feeling the need to bomb girls with their testosterone. The fact that there
are few known females in LFS might have a little something to do with it,
but frankly, this is really an internet thing. It's one of the main reasons
why i've never liked chat rooms. I've seen it all over the net and sometimes
wonder which reality is more 'honest'. People shouldn't need to hide who
they are and i hope that this thread can help some peeps realise how lame
and annoying they are. If you guys wanna practice your skillz, try going to
bars or something. We are all here to race after all.

[Vain]

It's not just an internet-thing. It's also a racing thing. What do you think happens on a trackday when a woman in driver-dress and with a helmet in one hand appears in the driver's camp? Then it's a lot more than just "a/s/l?" but open and undisguided staring with open mouths. ;)

Vain

[NotAnIllusion]

Weird that, I never noticed such a rucus back in the day when Michele Mouton (http://www.rallysportmag.com/cms/A_20579/article.html) drove with "teh boys" :scratchch

[Shotglass]

Weird that, I never noticed such a rucus back in the day when Michele Mouton (http://www.rallysportmag.com/cms/A_20579/article.html) drove with "teh boys" :scratchch

fabrizia pons has been active since the early 80s ? wow

[Hallen]

Becky I was on a server with you for a short time the other night, I thought it strange a female would publish a girls name knowing good and well that you are going to be harrassed.

Tick

Oh, come on. That is like saying a girl deserves to get raped because she wore a sexy dress. It is NOT her problem, it is immature males who are the problem.

She is a person who likes to race. She is female and probably does not want to use a racer name like BallsOfFire or EvilSpeed. I know what it is like, I have lived for long periods of time in places with a very low male to female ratio. It is always a nice to see a member of the opposite sex show up. But that does not mean that she is just dying to stop racing and have a sexy chat with you. All of that is in YOUR head. She is just there to race.

The point is, LFS is not a pick-up zone.

If you are that desperate, try an online dating service, the women are there to meet guys (no shame there guys, it does work... I know from experience)

Oh, and Becky, I do ask other racers how old they are sometimes, and I do like to know if the person I am talking to is male or female. I am a way older than average racer myself and sometimes I get tired of dealing with childish behavior. Surprisingly though, a lot of times the most childish racers are a lot older than I would have thought. It has helped to recage my perceptions a lot ;-)

Best of luck and keep racing. There are a lot of good people out there in this game and a lot of good racing.

[Hyperactive]

There was a topic similar to this sometime ago and as I said there: "I couldn't care less about the sex of the other players. I just don't care about it." I am equally disrespectful/paranoid/annoyed at everyone.

And that includes my other personality as well :pillepall :D

I read a magazine article about this few years ago and a lady (;)) (one of the women/girls interviewed) mentioned that you can take it all with humour but after a while the same sh*t starts to annoy you because answering the same questions all the time isn't fun anymore. Usually it's something heard millions times already, even if the one who said it, thought it was something original.

Also notice that nice yellow yummy thing describing my post :yummy:

Ooh, there are red ones too :x

[sgt.flippy]

Does anyone have some glue, seems like I can't get that heart back together. Or anyone good with needle and thread?

When I come across a girl on lfs, I usually tend to give her more attention than the rest, but I try to keep it low profile (not like the convo of the today obviously). Isn't it just nice to find a girl that has the same interests as you do? I used to play america's army a lot, and my girlfriend played along, it's great! Everyone that I told that I played the game together with my girlfriend went like: wow, that's great, I wish I had a girl that liked playing games (pc games that is).

[lococost]

OMG Tiny is a girl? I noticed something a bit strange about him, well her, just couldnt lay my eyes on it.

[sgt.flippy]

Yea, well, I've had that problem in real life for almost 3 years. There was this person at my school, I never knew, was it a girl or a boy. Now after these 3 years, it's still not very clear at first, but I heard her name once, and because of her age you can see it's a girl... Because she hasn't got the slightest bit of beard, not the other physical hints... that still looks like it could be guy :Looking_a

*edited* Realised it looked like I didn't get the irony in your post, but I did.

[MyBoss]

we have a girl on our team ''liliana''.... she just tells everyone that shes 250lbs and has 4 kids.. it seems to quiet the room :)



You mean she is just joking? GAME ON THEN!!! :smileypul








lol, just joking

[tinyk]

OMG Tiny is a girl? I noticed something a bit strange about him, well her, just couldnt lay my eyes on it.

my driving? lol :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[Shotglass]

OMG Tiny is a girl? I noticed something a bit strange about him, well her, just couldnt lay my eyes on it.

the way she parks her car in the pits (btw i love stereotypes)

[Becky Rose]

It's not just an internet-thing. It's also a racing thing.
As is well documented now I think, I race karts, and I have to disagree. Nobody pays me the slightest bit of attention when I turn up for a race in a new crowd/series etc. I get the odd look that i'd get anywhere, but it's not a suprise to see a woman at a race track wearing overalls.

It's a little different after the first few heats of course but that's because i'm actually *touch wood* pretty good. It's just a shame I cannot recreate my speed in LFS yet ! :)

the way she parks her car in the pits (btw i love stereotypes)

I've always found it quite suprising that there are less women in racing, everyone knows we're better drivers ! I admit my spatial awareness is quite poor and certainly in a saloon I do wonder where the side is and if there really is room ahead to squeeze in 'a little one'.

In a kart and in a single seat race car I never have had a problem with this though because I can easily see the sides without looking.

In fact for as long as racing doesn't involve reversing and the tracks are not so long that I have to stop and ask directions then there is no reason why women cannot compete equally with men because all the physical work is being done by the car.

There's no male advantage in racing, with the possible exception of Formula One where drivers today have to have necks thicker than Arnold Scwarzenegger to withstand the g-forces. In fact the only female representation in the years i've been watching (1984 onwards) was the daughter of a rich Italian shoe tycoon, Giovanna Amati who's Dad bought her a drive with Brabham before they folded. She wasn't actually that quick as a race driver - but as she herself said, "I enjoy it.". How the other half live eh?...

[Vain]

Firstly, I restricted my statement to the very first time female drivers show up. And secondly, I can only speak from my own experience in the german Porsche Classic Car Trophy. If you made different experiences, great! :thumb:

Vain

[Bramski]

There's no male advantage in racing

I disagree, and I'm in no way being sexist, it's just plain old mother nature at work. It's just that if you put a man in a 600bhp supercar and a woman in a 600bhp supercar and they are involved in a high speed braking duel, you can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.

[tristancliffe]

I disagree, and I'm in no way being sexist, it's just plain old mother nature at work. It's just that if you put a man in a 600bhp supercar and a woman in a 600bhp supercar and they are involved in a high speed braking duel, you can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.

But if a female can overcome the lack of testosterone fuelled bravado then I see no reason why a female can't be as good a racer as a male. Sure the female physique is less biased towards endurance and strength, so in cars requiring more brute force or longer distances then the males will be at a slight advantage (training is a wonderful thing).

But if the female has the same basic bravery, and roughly comparible endurance then I suspect that women would be better in many areas - better under pressure, more clear tactical thinking (women can multitask) etc. Womens strengths are not better or worse than males, just different. If more women would be inclined to get into racing, which they won't be with male egos all over the place, then they can be very very competative.

[Tweaker]

Blah, I think Becky's "woman-being-hunted" senses are being tested to their limits. :o

I said "hi" to you online a while ago Becky, no reply, but maybe you were busy. Just a hello. But then some idiot says "Don't ask her for her A/S/L". :doh: :rolleyes:

She blocks messages soon after. Geezuz, I just hope that saying a "hello" won't get her to quit this game alltogether :zombie:

[Bramski]

I hear what you're saying Tristan and until women actually compete at the same level as men we'll probably never know, I'm just going from my own experience with the female species. There will always be exceptions though, like Sabine who runs the ring taxi, she'd probably cut my dangly bits off and use them as fluffy dice on the rear view mirror for questioning the capabilities of female racing drivers :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz

[sgt.flippy]

Anyone seen topgear, where Sabine Schmitz beats Jeremies (I think) time in a jaguar, with a ford transit?

[_Rob_]

She didn't beat his time :)

[Shotglass]

Sure the female physique is less biased towards endurance and strength, so in cars requiring more brute force or longer distances then the males will be at a slight advantage (training is a wonderful thing).

uh ... plain wrong ... strength yes but in endurance sports its well documented that women run or ski or whatever a whole lot more km over the year in training sessions than men do

[Greboth]

Anyone seen topgear, where Sabine Schmitz beats Jeremies (I think) time in a jaguar, with a ford transit?

Yeah, she doesnt beat it, works out she was 0.5 secs a mile slower than clarkson. He was in a diesel jaguar s type and she was in a dieselford transit. I watched the best of top gear thing on friday lol.

Clarkson got a 9:59 and sabine got 10:18 (or 10:28) then she used a viper to draft and got it down to bout 10:07 or something.

Back on topic though, i think women arent in motorsport cause as said men get a testosterone (spelt right?) buzz from it where women dont - so just ont hat men enjoy it more. But as for one sex being more competitive than the other. With training and practice, i believe that given an equal car, women would equal the men. Obviously some people have "natural talent" so they would be quicker but theres no reason i see that a women couldnt win the f1 championship for example.

I also think that there are 2 more reason why more women in racing
1. Because of the reaction and s**t they would go through wth the drivers
2. Because team owners etc are just male pigs lmao. I remember bernie eclestone saying something bout women are only there to look pretty (dont quote me on that but was something along those lines) And really i think that puts women off alot.
I cant really comment being a guy, but im just observing what goes on.

Girls in lfs - who reli gives a damn. Its a phenominon (spelt right?) so i can see the, whoa a girl aspect but really is it that hard to believe?
Only girl i know ive raced was quicker than me, but then there was the rest of the fiedl quicker than me too lmao.

<joke>On a stereotypical point of view - its jsut a shame you dont have to reverse park into the garages for pit stops :D lol </joke>

Edit: i need to leanr to type going on all the typos above lol
Edit2: *learn
Edit 3: Rob you beat me.

[sgt.flippy]

I stand corrected with the laptime, but still, very impressive.

[Fonnybone]

uh ... plain wrong ... strength yes but in endurance sports its well documented that women run or ski or whatever a whole lot more km over the year in training sessions than men do

Yep, was gonna mention that too, they got us beat in endurance.

As for Bernie's comments, i remember reading one along the lines
of "Women should be dressed in white like all those other
domestic appliances" :schwitz:

[sgt.flippy]

We have trendy red blenders though, and a silver watercooker. You can be a domestic appliance AND be trendy at the same time :Looking_a

[Becky Rose]

I said "hi" to you online a while ago Becky, no reply

I was ignoring all chat, nothing personal, but I can't seem to log onto a server at the moment without someone saying something about a/s/l - let alone when I type something myself.

I had a wierd day online actually, I had a fair number of a/s/l comments from various people, then I logged onto the -[MG]- team's BL GP server and got myself kicked because I drove a damaged car back to the pits and interfered with another guys race (I was on the right side of the track after the main strait, which is 95% offline - but he caught me on the 5% that wasnt). I said sorry but it wasn't enough - he wanted to shout at me too and demand an explanation, and flex his influence over his mate with admin rights whilst I was half way through pandering to his demand. Yes it was my fault, yes I was sorry, no I didn't mean too, will I drive courteously toward you next time I see you? Actually I only remember his team name... Well, one for all and all for one ... :)

Then the pandemonium of that AS Club server you saw me on, I just decided to turn chat off and focus on the racing.

All in all it was a surreal morning.

[Bramski]

Women Drivers, I dunno :rolleyes:


Only kiddin, my mums a woman, happy mothers day mother mum.

:boing:

[Shotglass]

Only kiddin, my mums a woman, happy mothers day mother mum.

oh crap its mothers day ? dont tell me i missed it again

[GianniC]

Hi I'm actually also a girl,seeing that not all men are...sexbombs I don't see a reason anymore to hide it and pretend that I'm a boy. Nice idea to start this topic Rose! Just hoping they don't start harrasing me now.. :( :)

[sgt.flippy]

So, where do ya live?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Well, you are an example of the kind of girls that prefers to be unknown. The hiding kind. You're name doesn't really sound girly, I don't know what skin you have on your car, but from the sound of it, it isn't pink. Good you came outta the closet :razz: Happy racing and avoiding pervs :Looking_a

[Becky Rose]

This could get a bit like Terry Pratchet's book the Monstrous Regiment ...

For those that havn't read it, just ignore i'm not going to try and explain :)

[sgt.flippy]

Please explain, I followed this thread for too long to stop now because I don't have a single clue what you're saying :D

I miss zeugnimod :tilt:

[ShannonN]

Who cares whether we race a male or a female or animal
We are here to race!!!:) get your priorities right ppl

[Greboth]

This could get a bit like Terry Pratchet's book the Monstrous Regiment ...

For those that havn't read it, just ignore i'm not going to try and explain :)

:scratchch Dont think ive read that one :(
Possibly all the rest but dont remember that one, althoguh i dont remember names, only what happens.
Would this be about the socks down trousers thing?

Also i stand corrected on what bernie eclestone said - it knew was something bout looking at or something. Thats harsh tho saying shouold be in all white.

[SamH]

This could get a bit like Terry Pratchet's book the Monstrous Regiment ...

hehe! I thought the same thing exactly, when I read GianniC's comment!

We have a couple of female racers in our team, hopefully about to make the progression into S2. It's up to them if they "out" themselves, but I will definitely point them to this thread before they choose their usernames, so they're aware of the dilemma that's ahead.

Regardless of political correctness, the dilemma is here because the "ASL" question is endemic not just to the Internet, but human nature itself. Only the right or wrong of it is a variable value, according to society (and they are many and varied in LFS) and it will always BE a variable.

Because we, at the moment, see the political INcorrectness in asking the ASL question, doesn't mean everyone else will. And being a matter of political correctness, we have to ALSO ask if we are right to impose our values on others in other societies by placing political expectations on them.:shrug:

Perhaps binding an F key to "ASL? Anal Sex Later? Get lost, perve!" might be the short-term solution :)

[Hyperactive]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asl

I didn't even know that you can suggest having a**l sex just by saying those three letters :x

EDIT: link may contain some bad language. If you feel yourself incapable of understanding it, please, get the * away from here :D

[wsinda]

she just tells everyone that shes 250lbs and has 4 kids.. it seems to quiet the roomSo would telling everyone that she's 8 years old.

[sgt.flippy]

ASL.Funny thing is, a lot of people use the word, and not all because they are lonely computer freaks of somekind. I learned the word because I used to play on msn gamezone, and everybody was like, hi, ASL. Everytime I went: what the hell are you saying? Then they left, it took me weeks before someone actually told me what it meant, from then on it was simple. And yes it's often used for getting girls for webcams, and yes it actually works pretty well :D:smileypul

[GianniC]

You guys and girls don't believe me ?! :p
How come ? :D

[th84]

I believe you!!:razz:

[v4forlife]

a page or 2 ago, there was a post by becky saying there is no male advantage in racing. now im a biker and in this side of racing, there is, and it becomes more evident as you climb the ranks. its hard to muscle a hugely powerful bike around when it has so little weight.

eg:(although not a girl) danny pedrosa, on top the the motorcycling world in Moto GP, rides a 260bhp honda that weighs in at about 140kg(poss less) he weighs a meger 49kg, and although he can be very quick, he gets worn out at the end of the race(evedent in the recent jerez round1)

though i ahve been whooped by some girls in club events, its all about how much talent you have, and how much your willing to work on that.

[zeugnimod]

You guys and girls don't believe me ?! :p
How come ? :D

Should I give you some advice? ;)

At least Sgt. Flippy believed me 2 days ago. :D :p

[GianniC]

At least Sgt. Flippy believed me 2 days ago. :D :p


Now thàt isn't hard to believe that you're a girl :zombie:

[P5YcHoM4N]

Girls... are these an addon? Where can I download one?

[th84]

With a name like "ziggy" what else would she be??? :P

[ORION]

lol GC ur just too crazy to be a girl :P

ok, you are blonde, but that does NOT mean your a girl ;)

[sgt.flippy]

The only reason I believe someone that says (s)he is a girl, is because I believe in honesty. And even if you'd be a guy after all, it would still be cool to talk to you, just in another way :D Cause you're funny

[GianniC]

lol GC ur just too crazy to be a girl :P

ok, you are blonde, but that does NOT mean your a girl ;)

Mixing up some things big O, didn't we agreed that you were going to be the blondie and I the cute brunette? :D

[Vain]

You misread that. It's "How to pull a girl racer" and not "How to become a girl racer". That's different.

Vain

[GianniC]

You misread that. It's "How to pull a girl racer" and not "How to become a girl racer". That's different.
Vain

Don't worry, Orion already is a girl racer ;)

[ORION]

yea Im racing girls every how and then. ^^
Baisically, those are the races on the sccc server ;)

[Hyperactive]

So if you have changed your sex it still counts as a girl?

:D

(of course sex change is an individual thing and whatever someone wants to do is not by business, or is it, orion?) :D

[sgt.flippy]

Now I'm wondering how many people are playing lfs that have done a sex change :Looking_a

[Becky Rose]

Surely that would depend on what you change your sex too...

In some countries they are considered sex correction rather than sex change, in others as a 3rd sex entirely, and in Conservative Surbiton an abomination suiteable only for list 99 (the UK sex offenders register). Take your pick...

[Hyperactive]

Now I'm wondering how many people are playing lfs that have done a sex change :Looking_a

Probably most of them (us) :D

[sgt.flippy]

When you think about it, a sex change ain't that bad, you turn yourself into a woman, you can look at yourself and play with yourself all day long, and you can just become a lesbian.

[Tukko]

When you think about it, a sex change ain't that bad, you turn yourself into a woman, you can look at yourself and play with yourself all day long, and you can just become a lesbian.
lol

bad nuts again? :smileypul

I'd love to have own boobs to play with ....

[sgt.flippy]

This time it was my twisted mind :thumb:

[Hasentreter]

women on track? i hate it...i always slow down for them....i must be crazy :pillepall

lol just a joke :biggrinfl
who cares if the is a female? it's just a game :thumb:


bzw: zeugnimod where are you from? may i intive you to a coffee or something like that? :uglyhamme

[sgt.flippy]

Don't try to hook her up, I've heard strange things going around about transsexual people here :Looking_a

[zeugnimod]

And I've heard strange things going around about people who believe everyting they read. :D :p

[sgt.flippy]

Where the hell did you get that from :Looking_a :pillepall
I believe nothing I read !

And btw, you do know zeug in dutch is a female pig, right?

[Rappa Z]

Why hook up wth someone 300 miles away. This is a stupid thread

[Becky Rose]

I do agree with you Rappa, which is WHY I made the thread. You just missed the point by the same distance that lies between us - which incidentally encompasses a whole ruddy ocean :).

[Rappa Z]

A:I'm too young to ask
S:don't need(its 50/50)
L:Yea,come visit me, in hell

This is my inner thoughts about this forum

[sgt.flippy]

Long distance relationships can work out! Chances are slim, but there are chances! My girlfriend lives only 70-80 kilometres from where I live, but that doesn't stop us, I even read once about a girl having a boyfriend in the us. And my aunt is married to a guy from Austria, and every week in a magazine there is a woman that is married to a guy in England.

[AndroidXP]

Interesting. A female poster makes a thread and within 3 days it has more that 120 replies. :scratchch

Normally only a Dev/Release-thread gets that much attention. Looks like LFS racers mainly crave for two things - LFS and... postcount :p

[filur]

Looks like LFS racers mainly crave for two things - LFS and...

PIE!

[Vain]

Long distance relationships do work out! I'm the living proof of that! So come on Rappa, invite her over! :D

Vain

[Hyperactive]

Interesting. A female poster makes a thread and within 3 days it has more that 120 replies. :scratchch

Normally only a Dev/Release-thread gets that much attention. Looks like LFS racers mainly crave for two things - LFS and... postcount :p

Yes...what, please share us???

( :D )

[MrAss]

oh snap a gurl?!

[Greboth]

PIE!

Have you been watchin weebl and bob or something?

mmmmmmmmm pie

[sgt.flippy]

I love cookies more! :thumb: and I think the majority of posts was caused by me :Looking_a

[zeugnimod]

And btw, you do know zeug in dutch is a female pig, right?

No, but now that you told me, I like the nick even more. :p

[GianniC]

bzw: zeugnimod where are you from? may i intive you to a coffee or something like that?

She's my little princes weirdo, so back off ! :arge:

[mr_x]

Long distance relationships can work out! Chances are slim, but there are chances! My girlfriend lives only 70-80 kilometres from where I live, but that doesn't stop us, I even read once about a girl having a boyfriend in the us. And my aunt is married to a guy from Austria, and every week in a magazine there is a woman that is married to a guy in England.

I agree they can work out, my ex lives 270 miles away and we were going out for 6 months... agreed to end it because of complications with her parents and just stay good friends, that was 7 months ago still really good friends now and in a few years time we plan on living together... for life!:)

[sgt.flippy]

I wish you two the best!

Zuegnimod, I didn't know you were a miss piggy :Looking_a And when will the marriage be between you and Gianni? You better invite me !! Otherwise I won't talk to you two anymore!

[Tukko]

Zuegnimod, I didn't know you were a miss piggy :Looking_a And when will the marriage be between you and Gianni? You better invite me !! Otherwise I won't talk to you two anymore!
woooow... sccc girls in action :smileypul tell me when you guys are done, I'll take your girl then GC :D

[Hasentreter]

She's my little princes weirdo, so back off ! :arge:


shhhh, my girlfriend is sleeping, don't wake her up :D

[deggis]

We are ahead of GTL players... apparently in girls count too. :)

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=248876

[AJS]

Since the other thread got locked ...

Becky you know what ... I just want to race and for me it doesnt matter which gender races so i will now change my gender to female if you dont change to male. Well in LFS anyway i mean i like my umm ... big friend :D

I suggest many other guys do the same and problem is solved ...

I can also pretend to be your lesbian girl friend or whatever floats your boat and ram the wankers off the track. GIRL POWER. Really just a joke i dont think you are lesbian !!!

LFSW stand for Lonely Freaks Seeking Women

and men are pigs.

Two facts of life.

For real ... what do you want to do ? Moaning etc wont change the idiots... it will be even more fun for them plus there are far too many of them. I suggest you get good at CS and give it back to the kiddies :D There are not just females moaning about the idiots in LFS ...

[hrtburnout]

/me is confused now :pillepall

[Becky Rose]

You may aswell stay confused, it's not worth the effort of finding out... Believe me.

[AJS]

You may aswell stay confused, it's not worth the effort of finding out... Believe me.

How would you know ... Ok i make it easier for you.

Becky im serious now ... Why dont you just change your character to male in LFS. In my opinion you are just seeking attention. Its not that much of a big deal in my opinion.

Either that or you will also have to deal with these idiots because they are out there ...

[AndroidXP]

:pillepall

So you need to hide your sex from others not to get harassed? Did LFS already get this far? Besides that, you can't do that in LFS, if your registered username already suggests your gender.

[Primoz]

Well she is a woman, why should she pretend that she is a man whrn she's not??

[Albieg]

I can't understand why some people keep suggesting a cure that makes the illness stronger.

[Greboth]

@ this thread - Has anyone ever succedding in pulling a girl over lfs? To me it seems much easier to get a gf or w/e down pub, or sumone you work with, or a mates mate or even a mate etc the list goes on.

@ the other thread - As soon as someone joins a server im on 99% time i will hit "hi" and only time i look at names is if i get hit, i want to talk to some specific or if on team server to kick or ban someone. All the time during racing, as long as its clean n fun (and no one i know is on) then afterwards i wouldnt be able to tell you who was on lol.

[AJS]

How you feel ... If you have better solutions then feel free to enlighten me! For me its really not important and i will change my character to female because for me its about racing and thats it. :pillepall Let´s see how bad it is to be a woman :D

Yeah and give me a break ... how to pull a girl racer ... you are 31 no ? You should stand above or how do you say in english ? stupid comments from 12-16 year old kids. I dont say it is good and of course you have the right to voice your opinion.

Strange that LFS has the best community ever but everyone has problems with each other ... Drifters with grippers ... Girls with horny teenagers ... wreckers etc.

There´s just moaning moaning moaning ...

I´m out of here and racing. Good bye

[wsinda]

For real ... what do you want to do?

.. Moaning etc wont change the idiots.

.. Why dont you just change your character to male in LFS.

.. In my opinion you are just seeking attention.

.. Its not that much of a big deal in my opinion.
A classical case of blaming the victim. Or at the very least, putting the burden with the victim. Why should she be doing something? She's not the one who is being a nuisance.

If the community can find ways to deal with wreckers and irresponsible noobs, then why not with this kind of bad behaviour?
(Lemme guess... Because the chance that you will be troubled by it is zero.)

[AJS]

A classical case of blaming the victim. Or at the very least, putting the burden with the victim. Why should she be doing something? She's not the one who is being a nuisance.

If the community can find ways to deal with wreckers and irresponsible noobs, then why not with this kind of bad behaviour?
(Lemme guess... Because the chance that you will be troubled by it is zero.)

You picked the quotes you wanted and they are out of context. Classical case of misquoting or what ?

In fact i said I am doing something : I change my character to female and see how bad it is so my chance of me being troubled is far away from zero or at least it should be ...

I still wait for better solutions... I dont say there are any but you didnt name any so far.

How does the community handle with wreckers and irresponsible noobs ? I think its still a problem or not ? Many guys suggest to join leagues or closed servers. That´s also a way of avoiding problems or is it blaming the victim dr freud ? Sometimes its the only way...

You can also become a manic street preacher and try to change the world lol Trust me personalities like Marx and Engels failed.

[Becky Rose]

You all miss the point anyway, the other post was to raise awareness, this one (if I recall correctly as this is an OLD thread) sort of the same but also partly humerous ... although I didnt litter the post with smilies so that was probably lost in translation in a few places.

What's the use of admin kicking / vote kicking if people do not understand what is happening?*

*Should either option be viable on the server in the first place.

I never posted either thread seeking dramatic changes or alterations to game code or psychological profiling before buying an LFS license...

[southamptonfc]

I don't quite understand, are you saying you don't want people to try and pull you on LFS or you don't wan't people to try and pull you in LFS by methods previously seen?

[Gabkicks]

**** all this guy bashing.:x men are freaks, men are dirty men are losers. so are some chicks. no need to state the obvious

[hrtburnout]

I think that it's time for...

http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

:pillepall

So you need to hide your sex from others not to get harassed? Did LFS already get this far? Besides that, you can't do that in LFS, if your registered username already suggests your gender.

One thing here that's getting missed by both "sides" in this "topic" :really:

... I am really starting to wonder about the entire motivation behind both of these threads. (This one (both halves) and the locked one)

You hit something here Android, the vast majority of handles on this board alone are NOT gender specific... "AndroidXP" "Viper93" "Gabkicks" "AJS" "Primos" "TristanCliffe" (just joking Tristan:D ). Sure not 100%, but still the vast majority by far. Even Tiny's and Honey's are a wee bit ambiguous and only mildly suggest their gender, although they don't hide it online, and I'm not saying they should have to, BUT:

There is no reason to intentionally choose a name that screams "I am not male", unless you want everyone to know for some reason. TinyK and Honey had very good points in the locked thread - and those from a female perspective.

I've been hassled on the track (although only once to the extent she described in the other thread), it's not limited to Becky Rose. Hopefully people don't think I'm a woman :scratchch (long hair.. hm... The goatee should offset it)


Not all men are pigs, not all men are ignorant and it's ignorant to make such blanket statements. Truthfully, these threads alone prove that egotism is not confined to the male half of the species.

Just one word: affected.

I don't plan on getting (any more) involved in this, I just thought I would make some attempt to balance the opinons out a bit.

note: Obviously I don't condone the behaviour of the dimbulb who hassled Becky, or the hassling of anyone in general, male or female, cat, dog, whatever.

[sgt.flippy]

^^ it's pretty obvious tiny is a girl though... I doubted longer about honey and becky :D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Indeed. I was speaking only in terms of handles. Conduct is a separate issue.

[Shotglass]

concerining honey ... id punt her off track ... but id ram into anyone who dares to desecrate a car with a hello kitty skin :D

[hrtburnout]

I have one for the UF1? I'll send it if you like :tilt:

[dawesdust_12]

Hey, I saw that skin last night, it was cute... <.<

[wsinda]

In fact i said I am doing something : I change my character to female and see how bad it is so my chance of me being troubled is far away from zero or at least it should be ...Oh, I thought you said that in jest. In that case I'll take back my words.

I still wait for better solutions... I dont say there are any but you didnt name any so far.Yours a great solution. In fact, ... in the other thread I wrote (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=157056#post157056) more or less the same. :)

You can also become a manic street preacher and try to change the world lol.
Trust me personalities like Marx and Engels failed.That's because they were German. :x :x :x
I meant, for more than a century everyone thought they were successful. :x :x
Aw, allright then. ;)

[cmckowen]

Speaking of names that are not gender specific, we had, note the "had", a female racer by the name of TerminalMotion in the South African who actualy joined team vMax. She is an incredibly fast racer, you could try punt her off the track if you could keep up with her :tilt:

Pity that she left, personal reasons for it though.

[AJS]

Yours a great solution. In fact, ... in the other thread I wrote (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=157056#post157056) more or less the same. :)
You are right. I have to admit i didnt read the other thread. Oh well so this part was useless. Künstlerpech as we say in germany :D

Francba

[Honey]

TinyK and Honey had very good points in the locked thread - and those from a female perspective.

the statement TinyK and i made is actually true in any case, male or female and of course as you said does not mean it's becky's fault if someone is a moron, it's just she could avoid them.
concerining honey ... id punt her off track ... but id ram into anyone who dares to desecrate a car with a hello kitty skin :D
thank you sweetie! :D
actually the giant hello kitty on my hood scares the hell out the people when they see it in their mirrors, so scared (or more probably laughing) that they spin out and jump off the track to let me pass...be aware of the giant kitty... :D

[Becky Rose]

When I quit LFS I'm going to have so much revenge proving a point. Some of you guys wont get to race for weeks.! I might even book time off work for it. :) ...

Seriously, i'm about as put out as a cat. Sure I was put outside, but I walked around a bit then came back in through the cat flap. Whether I put a humour twist on it, or a serious one, the result is the same.

Some guys say WTF shut up bitch your just saying "i'm a gurl i'm a gurl look at me and be oh so jealous of mah os so bod-dee!".

Some guys say "Sounds serious, lets spring into action".

Some guys say "F. you B. W. I hate your guts I hate the fact women exist i'm a massoganist in real life but I dont want to admit it on the forums, and my left half is bigotted."

Some guys say "ok, if I see it i'll act accordingly."

Some guys say "....

and the list goes on, what you basically end up with is a stereotypical forum thread where nobody agrees and lots of people get way more stressed then there is any possible merit for.

Yet they're the ones that think I need the chill pill.

Oh the bitter irony...

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

When I quit LFS I'm going to have so much revenge proving a point.
.....
lots of people get way more stressed then there is any possible merit for.


:scratchch :smileypul :tilt:

[Shotglass]

actually the giant hello kitty on my hood scares the hell out the people when they see it in their mirrors, so scared (or more probably laughing) that they spin out and jump off the track to let me pass...be aware of the giant kitty... :D

nah theyre just trying to be gentlemen so they drive into the sandpits to collect some as a kitty litter substitute for you
personally ... i prefer the direct way of ramming the kitty into the litter :D

[Honey]

nah theyre just trying to be gentlemen so they drive into the sandpits to collect some as a kitty litter substitute for you
personally ... i prefer the direct way of ramming the kitty into the litter :D
be aware of the giant kitty, she will look through your window while you are sleeping and...:schwitz::razz:

[Shotglass]

and ?

seriously ... youre starting to scare me :p

[Becky Rose]

:scratchch :smileypul :tilt:
Yes well done, you spotted that the joke in my post would indeed make me guilty of the thing I was commenting on. Good job it was a joke, now the next time you try to '/forum pwn' someone you can take a little knowledge of humour with you... :) Really, i'm suprised the smiley didn't give you a hint :)...

[Honey]

and ?

seriously ... youre starting to scare me :p
oh...don't worry the giant kitty just came to you last knight and only breathed close to your neck...nothing to worry about...:D

PS she said this night will come to visit you again...:D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Yes well done, you spotted that the joke in my post would indeed make me guilty of the thing I was commenting on. Good job it was a joke, now the next time you try to '/forum pwn' someone you can take a little knowledge of humour with you... :) Really, i'm suprised the smiley didn't give you a hint :)...

Well then I'm sorry... :)

Not sure why I thought you were more serious than you say now...:shrug:

Immediately following; you stated "Seriously... I'm as put out as a cat". In all seriousness, it was the word "seriously" that led me to beleive you were somewhat serious I suppose.:shy:

My knowledge of humour is rather good I'll have you know :D

[Becky Rose]

oh take the ribbing :).

BTW the "seriously" was to denote the change of tense... That's forums for you ...

[Basillmus]

If you don't want conversations with boys, then change to a male name..:shrug:

[Jon Andersen]

If you don't want conversations with boys, then change to a male name..:shrug:
¨
Some of us like to present ourself with our real names. We have nothing to hide. We are not ashamed of what we do on track or in chat. Nicks come and go easy. Real names do not.

I came from the GPL community. Way back then, we used our own names. We became a bunch of people that will never forget eachother - because we know eachother as Eldred Pickett, Greger Huttu, Gabor Weber, Andreas Wilke etc. How can you remember a person calling himself (---(2F@St)&wItH$iNsIgHt---)? And how can you distingwish him from the nick "FooL3D y0u"?

If people raced and posted under their real names, then I guess people would behave more like they do in real life.

I guess male drivers that show unwanted attention to girls racing sims online does that because they lack the guts to approach a girl in real life.

[Shotglass]

oh...don't worry the giant kitty just came to you last knight and only breathed close to your neck...nothing to worry about...:D

PS she said this night will come to visit you again...:D

youve got a weird sense of humor lady

so are you schizophrenic and this giant kitty is actually your second personality ?

[sgt.flippy]

I want to meet the giant kitty personality, seems like fun. I don't know about that honey personality though...

[tinyk]

I've been secretly dating Tiny and Becky Rose for over a year now.lol I wondered where you've been. Looks like you've been suffering from serious delusions. Hope you get better soon. :D

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[tinyk]

Quick session of myth busters. Not all females love to shop. lol :)

Is that all remixed stuff or all original?

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[whitey6272]

Get over yourself love... fahuuckin hell!

[tinyk]

Get over yourself love... fahuuckin hell!um who are you talking to?

[whitey6272]

Becky "everyone loves me" rose :pillepall

[tinyk]

Becky "everyone loves me" rose :pillepallaww be nice. :) You had me worried there for a bit. I thought you were calling Clownpaint love. :shy: :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[tinyk]

It's ok darling, nobody is going to steal me from your tiny arms. :thumb:lol you better call your doctor fast and have your meds increased. the delusions are getting worse. :D

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[whitey6272]

Forum romances? thats just wrong.. very very wrong..

[tinyk]

Forum romances? thats just wrong.. very very wrong..LOL :D far from it actually. He's my favourite person to kick from servers. :)

edit: hmm on second thought Dustin still holds that title. :)

[dawesdust_12]

LOL :D far from it actually. He's my favourite person to kick from servers. :)

edit: hmm on second thought Dustin still holds that title. :)

Everyone loves to kick me, it makes me feel so loved, but I prefer getting banned... :P

[Grivage]

If you can remember then clearly your love is just too strong. Hmm I better go to bed, LFS Kart Meet 2moro. :razz:
Tiny, I'll make sure i give him a quick dig in the ribs for you tomorrow :nod:

If i'm feeling nice i mite even wait till after the race :thumb:

Dont worry i'll make it the TINYest of digs :D

[tinyk]

Tiny, I'll make sure i give him a quick dig in the ribs for you tomorrow :nod:

If i'm feeling nice i mite even wait till after the race :thumb:

Dont worry i'll make it the TINYest of digs :Dlol ty Mister Griv. :D It looked like you guys had already started the party at Bladey's. Tomorrow you'll really have a blast. :thumb:

@Dustin: aww dun worry be happy. we love ya :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[Honey]

youve got a weird sense of humor lady

so are you schizophrenic and this giant kitty is actually your second personality ?
don't be so unkind to my giant kitty! ...oh, yeah...sure, she is a female! you wouldn't have treated the kitty so badly if she was a male...apologise to kitty or i will open 10 threads to complain!!!!!! :D

I want to meet the giant kitty personality, seems like fun. I don't know about that honey personality though...
ok, i'll tell her to visit you too this night after she's done with Shotglass :D

[Shotglass]

don't be so unkind to my giant kitty! ...oh, yeah...sure, she is a female! you wouldn't have treated the kitty so badly if she was a male...apologise to kitty or i will open 10 threads to complain!!!!!! :D

truth to be told there honey i was kinda hoping it was actually you paying me those nightly visits :D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

:schwitz:

[richo]

When it gets to the point where your racing is interupted its not on at all, and i understand you probably get the shits answering dumb questions constantly, but its also a bit of an ego massage for you aswell ( if your looking at the bright side of life) ..

Remember no one really cares what we look like online , you could have a head like a dropped pie yet the very ppl that piss you off dont know that or care tbh (i,m not saying you actually have a head like a dropped pie btw) so enjoy the attention as miss guided as it may be....

[sgt.flippy]

ok, i'll tell her to visit you too this night after she's done with Shotglass :D

I always come second :(


If you're nice, you can come too :razz:

If I start calling you baby, will you be so nice to me to? Never knew that was the way to go :shrug::D

[Becky Rose]

If you don't want conversations with boys, then change to a male name..
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHNH!

IF YOU CANT READ A F%*&£)(" WORD OR UNDERSTAND PLAIN F%*(£)" ENGLISH - DONT F%*(£)" TELL ME WHAT TO F%*&(£)"! DO YOU BAS%(*£)" !!!!!

i'm flipping sick and tired of people saying "just ignore what they're saying" - when did I ever say I have trouble with what people are saying?

Shut the F%(*)£" UP and leave the post alone, you stupid F£"%(*£)" moron.

Becky "everyone loves me" rose
And you can P%£(* off an all. How about you get over yourself, because i'm not sure what in this world possessed you to think I was remotely interested in your misguided, misinformed, misinterpreted opinion of me so much so that I would listen to your misguided advice !? huh?



I had a choice this morning, stay off cigarettes and let rip at the biggest morons in the longest running self perpetuating and most misinterpreted thread in forum posting history - or go out and buy some smokes. I chose to let rip at the biggest morons I could find, because frankly, they're worth less than a cigarette butt to me.

What the idiots need to understand is that there's something like 10 pages in two threads full of this crap, and most of it has put words into my mouth that I never said because a select few failed in "Reading & Understanding English". This is fine, not everyone speaks English that well and if you are not English you've got an excuse, but there's no excuse for perpetuating the problem because you can't be arsed to actually read the answers to stuff that's already been answered in the same flipping thread.

[Slartibartfast]

¨
Some of us like to present ourself with our real names. We have nothing to hide. We are not ashamed of what we do on track or in chat. Nicks come and go easy. Real names do not.

I came from the GPL community. Way back then, we used our own names. We became a bunch of people that will never forget eachother - because we know eachother as Eldred Pickett, Greger Huttu, Gabor Weber, Andreas Wilke etc. How can you remember a person calling himself (---(2F@St)&wItH$iNsIgHt---)? And how can you distingwish him from the nick "FooL3D y0u"?

Yeah but, when your name is Huttu, Weber, Wilke, etc. You say, "I'm Huttu! Go look at my -720 Rank. I got a 5:39 at the Ring."

When your name is Jeangerard you say, "GPL Rank? I think I saw that site once. I... er... I couldn't figure out how to upload my times. Yeah, that's it. I'm not on there. Don't look for me."

Joking aside. Jan Verschueren, Mark Seery, Asgeir Nesoen, Jim Gary, Mike Barlow, Bruce Kennewell, Greg Duncan, Tim Dignan, Greg Renner, Tore Hanson, Art McEwen, Oliver Nikolic, Chaz Wood, Tino Salooman, Trevor Mack, George Smiley, Fulvio Policardi, Uwe Schuerkamp, Ryk Penfold, Pascal Desjardins, Joe Rudynski, etc.

Sure, not all the quickest guys in the world, but every one of them dead solid. And I do remember their names. I remember races and dices, and victory and defeat. Advice and commaraderie still streams through my head.

I started with Slartibartfast from the first LFS download. At that time, for all I knew, it was going to be another F1RS. I guess when I bought my license I didn't think to change it.

Kennewell and his contraption. (He's 82, you know.)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/Slartibartfast_01/bruceufo.jpg

[whitey6272]

Word of advice becky, stop writing mini essays on a computer game forum, and get a life or maybe just a dog.... its pathetic

I went and looked in your profile 31 huh? WOW seriously get your priorities sorted...

http://www.bansheestudios.com/Banshee Studios/Blog/Blog.html

Who writes a site about themselves... the same people who start this kind of thread ATTENTION seekers

[Honey]

truth to be told there honey i was kinda hoping it was actually you paying me those nightly visits :D
why are you saying it to me? it's the kitty coming, not me...i know the kitty grabbed and stole everything found at your home, but i have nothing to do with it...but if you need, i sell surveillance systems -> i can make a special price for you...:razz:

I always come second :(


If you're nice, you can come too :razz:

If I start calling you baby, will you be so nice to me to? Never knew that was the way to go :shrug::D
i thought you'd preferred to come second in this case: the giant kitty has a second personality after the sun sets...
but anyway since you're asking, this night kitty will breathe on your neck too and put you to deep sleep with her onion-breath...remember to leave all valuable things at sight, so kitty has easier work to do, thanks! :)

[Honey]

Word of advice becky, stop writing mini essays on a computer game forum, and get a life or maybe just a dog.... its pathetic

I went and looked in your profile 31 huh? WOW seriously get your priorities sorted...

http://www.bansheestudios.com/Banshee Studios/Blog/Blog.html (http://www.bansheestudios.com/Banshee%20Studios/Blog/Blog.html)

Who writes a site about themselves... the same people who start this kind of thread ATTENTION seekers
and who writes this kind of posts? Honestly, why being so insulting? She is, who she is, you don't have to marry her, you don't have to read her threads (even if they are filling the 99% of forum :D...just kidding becky :tilt:), so learn the best teaching lfsforum has ever given: "smile and wave, just smile and wave" :D

[sgt.flippy]

...

[Honey]

Lol :D

[Funnybear]

and who writes this kind of posts? Honestly, why being so insulting? She is, who she is, you don't have to marry her, you don't have to read her threads (even if they are filling the 99% of forum :D...just kidding becky :tilt:), so learn the best teaching lfsforum has ever given: "smile and wave, just smile and wave" :D

Hey, thats my line . . . .

But you can use this just this once. I'll let yer.

Hey Tiny. Any time you want your night visiting pussy to have a trip to Blighty it can come visit me anytime. I have a large Snake that would make great friends with your Pussy.

(Is that going to far? Probable. Oh well. Wouldn't be me if I wasn't pushing the bounds of decency.)

30+ heat here today lads and lasses. Who would be couped up in a racing suit and a helmet with a hot engine right behind you on a track temperature of over 60. Ok. I would like to be. But I ain't. Boooo.

[tinyk]

Hey, thats my line . . . .

But you can use this just this once. I'll let yer.

Hey Tiny. Any time you want your night visiting pussy to have a trip to Blighty it can come visit me anytime. I have a large Snake that would make great friends with your Pussy.

(Is that going to far? Probable. Oh well. Wouldn't be me if I wasn't pushing the bounds of decency.)

30+ heat here today lads and lasses. Who would be couped up in a racing suit and a helmet with a hot engine right behind you on a track temperature of over 60. Ok. I would like to be. But I ain't. Boooo.
Check who made the posts before posting. :thumb: Only frogs, mollies, and lovebirds here, no cats. :)

[Funnybear]

oops.

*Blush*

Ok. Honey, if your Night time visiting pussy wants to . . . you get the idea.

Anyway. Whats up with twice nightly Whitey up there. Why is his knickers in such a twist. Don't take no shit like that Becky. You is what you is. Kids just have no respect anymore. I blame the lack of discapline and the eradication of Caning. I think eveyone should be caned at least once in their lives. Espeacially at school. Everyone should be caned at school. I know I was. It was the only way I could get through my day. Maybe thats why I'm not doing so well in life. Anyway, what was I talking about?

Oh yes. Discapline and respect. There's none of it anymore. Damn kids. I would have got away with it if it wasn't for them pesky kids.

(Where is my head? Must be the heat. Night.)

[sgt.flippy]

How to pull a girl racer... You take her arm... And you pull it. Isn't that hard now, is it?

Another way is to pull her leg...

[zeugnimod]

Well, it took you 8 pages in this thread to realize it, so... :p

[sgt.flippy]

I have learned to accept that I'm slow, so when I say stuff like that, I assume other people are able to think with a normal speed :tilt:

[Funnybear]

how to pull a girl racer . . . . . .

Bring a tow truck?

[sgt.flippy]

That's for a girl eating contestant. You only find those in America though :razz:

[Funnybear]

Never eaten a girl. Eaten out a girl, but never actually eaten a girl.

Aww, I've done it again. Lowered the tone. We're in the gutter now boys.

[sgt.flippy]

I said contestANT, not contest... You didn't even have the right to lower it down to the gutter! Thanks! :razz::tilt:

[Becky Rose]

Who writes a site about themselves... the same people who start this kind of thread ATTENTION seekers
Or bloggers, which I tried for a while but it wasn't for me. That's my old blog you referenced.

[Funnybear]

I would have thought that anybody starting or answering or anyway involved in Threads or forums are attention seeking.

I know I am. I want people to comment on my comments, I am seeking attention.

Its the very nature of the beast.

[the_angry_angel]

I'm very disappointed with this thread. It's very misleading :(

I would have thought that anybody starting or answering or anyway involved in Threads or forums are attention seeking.Preach it again brother!

[Honey]

Check who made the posts before posting. :thumb: Only frogs, mollies, and lovebirds here, no cats. :)
i guess he's in love with you, so his subconcious, made he think it was you :D
Hey, thats my line . . . .

But you can use this just this once. I'll let yer.

Hey Tiny. Any time you want your night visiting pussy to have a trip to Blighty it can come visit me anytime. I have a large Snake that would make great friends with your Pussy.

(Is that going to far? Probable. Oh well. Wouldn't be me if I wasn't pushing the bounds of decency.)

30+ heat here today lads and lasses. Who would be couped up in a racing suit and a helmet with a hot engine right behind you on a track temperature of over 60. Ok. I would like to be. But I ain't. Boooo.
no chance! you're cheating on Tiny and me...males...keep your pants up! :D

btw it's the giant kitty, who's going for night robbery, why every1's put the blame on me!!!:really:

[sgt.flippy]

no chance! you're cheating on Tiny and me...males...keep your pants up! :D

btw it's the giant kitty, who's going for night robbery, why every1's put the blame on me!!!:really:

What the hell are you saying, I don't have any pants, welcome to the 21st century! sjeesh!

Do you have a pic of the giant kitty? I'd like to see her before I allow her to come around some time...

[Honey]

What the hell are you saying, I don't have any pants, welcome to the 21st century! sjeesh!

Do you have a pic of the giant kitty? I'd like to see her before I allow her to come around some time...
llok at the thread in my signature -> plenty of giant kitty on my hood :thumb:

[sgt.flippy]

Are you as cute as that kitty? :razz: Then you can both bring me a visit some time :razz:

[Shotglass]

why are you saying it to me? it's the kitty coming, not me...i know the kitty grabbed and stole everything found at your home, but i have nothing to do with it...but if you need, i sell surveillance systems -> i can make a special price for you...:razz:

so thats the grand scheme here
youre just trying to scare me to sell surveillance systems and panic rooms ... not chance there lady im german not american :)

Hey Tiny. Any time you want your night visiting pussy to have a trip to Blighty it can come visit me anytime. I have a large Snake that would make great friends with your Pussy.

(Is that going to far? Probable. Oh well. Wouldn't be me if I wasn't pushing the bounds of decency.)

and here i was trying hard not to go down that road ... but well ... you started it

I always come second :(

now that funny did break the ice
yeah i wouldnt want to go sloppy second either

llok at the thread in my signature -> plenty of giant kitty on my hood :thumb:

i prefer to keep my sanity thanks anyway :D

[Albieg]

I always thought hardcore racing meant something different. I was wrong.

[sgt.flippy]

It's about cars and girls :razz: And acting goofy of course!

[Funnybear]

Racing?

So this isn't the cybersex thread then?

Damn it, wrong turn again. Anyone got a map? Could you point me in the direction of the eternally frustrated.

Thnx.

[f1r3b4ll]

"r u a pussy?" and "r u female?" are not good ways to start a conversation when spotting a female racer and wanting to be sure before you start your smooth moves.

When you talk to a man online you talk about the game, try to do this with girls too ... They're playing the game because they enjoy it and they're into racing ... it's a shared interest and something which might help the two of you get to know each other.

So try not to start with "a/s/l?".

Scoping out your potential "hussy" for potential based upon age and location - after confirming their sex of course - is not going to get you very far.

I am a woman, and I play LFS.

I watch the conversations online and never once have I seen anyone else get asked their sex or age, every now and then I see people get asked where they are from. Yet conversations with me in over 90% of cases always start with age / sex / location.

Do you honestly believe I give i'd date a freak I met on the internet? The answer, before you give opinion, is no. There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS - but it wont be because they kept interupting my frikkin driving by demanding my a/s/l and not letting up until I answer when i'm trying to race (or more likely, trying not too crash).

If you really really want to date a girl you meat on LFS, try being normal. Try not being judgemental over whether she's really a woman, and instead of harassing her whilst she is trying to race - how about lending a hand instead of crashing into her because you want her attention.

I don't log on to LFS because I want the server to fall over themselves around me. I log on to race cars because I love car racing, motor racing is in my family.

What's more, i'm middle-aged and too old for half of you, and not attractive enough for the other half.

I just want to race, if I want to play a dating game i'll sign up for ICQ or something.

And I really do not give a damn about whether you believe i'm female or not, I dont have to prove anything to any of you - other than that i'm safe enough to be on the same track, which is arguable.

christ, thanks for that statement of common sense - lfs is turning into yahoo chat - you bunch of dirty beasts you :P

[Funnybear]

Hey. Someone has to take the moral low ground. Otherwise what would people like Twice Nightly up there have to pontificate against?

[f1r3b4ll]

look at the end of the day the lass has the right to race on the track without you lads getting your gearknobs twitching... christ you lot are buggered if you ever meet real females...

*goes back to faceparty for weirdo's to make himself feel better*

[Funnybear]

I totally agree. And I for one will never be seen on the racetrack trying to hASLe a girl.(Did you see what I did there. a.s.l. Hassle. Hasle. Get it?)

I save up all my frustrations and do it here in stead.

I'm not that bad honest. I hope noone takes me too serously.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

... "Funnybear" ....

How could we take you seriously?

:razz:

[Funnybear]

Thats exactly where I want to be.

[RudiTurbo]

Just gonna tell a little story, which I think fits this topic :P

Well, I've been playing this game for a while, hmm actually a year to be full soon , which is in my sig :) And there was this girl, there are actually lots of girls playing. But this girl, She started playing like after me and now She is way in front of me, her nick is Adorabelle, sounds like the Annabelle of LFS :D Well, She started to get a long with one guy and they were often chatting over TS and well one day they went to Vegas to meet and a few months ago they bought a house together and are living happily together :D They even had grandchildren already, but they did move together and now they are one big online gaming family haha :)

So Love over the internetz and games can happen :D

[DEVIL 007]

Just gonna tell a little story, which I think fits this topic :P

Well, I've been playing this game for a while, hmm actually a year to be full soon , which is in my sig :) And there was this girl, there are actually lots of girls playing. But this girl, She started playing like after me and now She is way in front of me, her nick is Adorabelle, sounds like the Annabelle of LFS :D Well, She started to get a long with one guy and they were often chatting over TS and well one day they went to Vegas to meet and a few months ago they bought a house together and are living happily together :D They even had grandchildren already, but they did move together and now they are one big online gaming family haha :)

So Love over the internetz and games can happen :D
Haha...thats pretty nice story.

I think Becky Roose took it too much seriously.

[Funnybear]

Met my ex on t'internet. (Take note Bear fans of the 'Ex'). Got to know her on the Tenacious D Forums. She had a kid so I gave some tickets for the Panto we where putting on. Met up, kid had a great time, we had a good chat about life, the universe and everything so we continued to meet up quite a bit. She decided that she really liked me, I'm the kinda guy who goes with the flow, push came to shove and I moved to Cardiff from Oxford.

Two years later . . . .

She don't want me around no more, gained a daughter (Which I have no regrets about whatsoever other than the timing, but hey. Life gives you what life gives you.) and moved back to Oxford. Now scraping whatever living I can trying to get some direction back in my life.

So.

Internet romances. Can be good, certainly started out that way for me. But can be bad, me and my ex had no RL history. Nothing to ground ourselves in other than first reactions. Which arn't always the best ones.

Ironically one of the things she cited against me was that I was a computer geek. (I'm not a major geek, but I do like my games. Maybe I should make that a lesson learned.) We met on the intraweb for ffs! What did she expect!

It works for some people. Me, I'm gunna be a bit more cautious in the future. So any smutty talk from me is just that. Smutty, plain and simple. Dirty as dirt is. Filthy, gutter dwelling, say it like I think it, honest to goodness smut.

So whos for some hanky panky? How's yer father? Duvet double team? The saucy Samba? The Mardi Gra Marimba? Head Board Bashing?

Ok. Ok. I'll stop now. Getting a temperature.

[Shotglass]

i think we scared her away funnybear ^^

[Lord_Verminaard]

Dont forget, also been proven that women tend to have better reaction times than men do. That's gotta count for something on the racetrack.

Brendan

[yegadoyai]

Better reaction times? Since when? I have seen articles that show due to genetics sim racing can favour women (if you want I'll dig around for it) but reaction time is dependant on the cental nervous system, unless you reckon that thier (generally) smaller frame can give them an advantage in synapse response then I can't see how they could 'generally' have a better reaction time than anyone else. Prediction and appropriate response is what a driver really needs, we all react at pretty much the same speed.

[Rippance]

What is this 'woman', 'girl' and 'female' you guys keep talking about? :s

[Becky Rose]

My reactions where blisteringly quick, extremely so. I remember when walking around the Prada in Wein there was this arcade machine type thing for "Alain Prost reaction test times" and I turned out to have faster reactions than the Frenchman himself.

Then middle age happened.

[yegadoyai]

As an avid cross genre gamer my reaction times are very fast, generally faster than is possible without an amount or error in timing/or good guesswork. This does not mean men have faster reactions. Several tests have showed that professional athletes/racers/gamers etc do not have faster reactions UNLESS they are competing in their chosen sport or have just finished doing so.
I remember a trial for Nigel Mansell to test this theory. They had a large wall covered with lights. The wall was maybe 7' square and the lights were spaced evenly over the surface. The object of the game is to hit the lights as they come on. Due to the size of the board there are lights on your periphery vision. Nigel Mansell tried it and scored a very average reaction time of about .25s However, after a quick blast round the track he tried it again (did something like 2-3 qually laps of Silverstone I think). His reaction times were down to a super human .15s. It has been shown that he simply could not have reacted to the lights and hit them in that time if it was only taking the nerve timing into account. There must have been a certain amount of prediction but the other factor is the 'correct response' part of the brain. If he had to process what he was going to do before doing it, it delays the reaction time a good deal. After his little practice session his body was tuned to responding without the 'awake' brain (conciseness) therefore his reactions were quicker. None of this indicates how there could be a better male/female response time as it well known that males (due to testosterone) are better able to shut off the 'awake' brain and simply rely on reactions (getting into the 'zone' - focusing on a single task to the exclusion of everything else). This is actually why females are better at (or at least are genetically predisposed at being better) sims. In a sim you cannot rely on your reactions as you are not being fed the right information to do so. In a sim it is not about balance and feeling the car, you have to translate the visual and audio stimulus into motion information before reacting. The article detailed that it was due to some left/right brain split that enabled females to do this better. The best drivers are the ones that have enough capacity to allow the reactions to deal with the driving of the car and get the rest of their brain to do the thinking for the race, that is the difference between the Prosts, Sennas, Schumachers of the world and the Coulthards, Trullis and all the others that are quick but not really championship material.

Having said all that the more realistic a sim the easier it is to translate the information into 'feeling' a car. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that they can feel the car slide long before it happens and it feels just like it does on the road. After a couple hours of practice last night I was dizzy when I stopped racing, I'm pretty sure this was down to the lack of movement relative to the perceptual movement of the game.

Anyway, genuinely, I'd be interested in information on reaction times if they have proof that there is a genetic split. Cognitive science was one of the more interesting things at uni.

[mpn89]

As is well documented now I think, I race karts, and I have to disagree. Nobody pays me the slightest bit of attention when I turn up for a race in a new crowd/series etc. I get the odd look that i'd get anywhere, but it's not a suprise to see a woman at a race track wearing overalls.
I agree.. I've raced with a fair few women in karts and many of them have been pretty damn good. I've heard stuff like '"She's way too agressive, she's running everyone off the track" ... but I hear the exact same about all other drivers that drive in the same way.

you can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.
I disagree.. because if you're letting testosterone control how you drive especially ito a braking area you're an amateur driver doing his first few laps in a race car. To be fast and cool under racing conditions you don't get overcome by testosterone.. that only happens the first time you drive a faster car/bike than you have before and goes away after a lap.

[Rob76]

As an avid cross genre gamer my reaction times are very fast, generally faster than is possible without an amount or error in timing/or good guesswork. This does not mean men have faster reactions. Several tests have showed that professional athletes/racers/gamers etc do not have faster reactions UNLESS they are competing in their chosen sport or have just finished doing so.
I remember a trial for Nigel Mansell to test this theory. They had a large wall covered with lights. The wall was maybe 7' square and the lights were spaced evenly over the surface. The object of the game is to hit the lights as they come on. Due to the size of the board there are lights on your periphery vision. Nigel Mansell tried it and scored a very average reaction time of about .25s However, after a quick blast round the track he tried it again (did something like 2-3 qually laps of Silverstone I think). His reaction times were down to a super human .15s. It has been shown that he simply could not have reacted to the lights and hit them in that time if it was only taking the nerve timing into account. There must have been a certain amount of prediction but the other factor is the 'correct response' part of the brain. If he had to process what he was going to do before doing it, it delays the reaction time a good deal. After his little practice session his body was tuned to responding without the 'awake' brain (conciseness) therefore his reactions were quicker. None of this indicates how there could be a better male/female response time as it well known that males (due to testosterone) are better able to shut off the 'awake' brain and simply rely on reactions (getting into the 'zone' - focusing on a single task to the exclusion of everything else). This is actually why females are better at (or at least are genetically predisposed at being better) sims. In a sim you cannot rely on your reactions as you are not being fed the right information to do so. In a sim it is not about balance and feeling the car, you have to translate the visual and audio stimulus into motion information before reacting. The article detailed that it was due to some left/right brain split that enabled females to do this better. The best drivers are the ones that have enough capacity to allow the reactions to deal with the driving of the car and get the rest of their brain to do the thinking for the race, that is the difference between the Prosts, Sennas, Schumachers of the world and the Coulthards, Trullis and all the others that are quick but not really championship material.

Having said all that the more realistic a sim the easier it is to translate the information into 'feeling' a car. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that they can feel the car slide long before it happens and it feels just like it does on the road. After a couple hours of practice last night I was dizzy when I stopped racing, I'm pretty sure this was down to the lack of movement relative to the perceptual movement of the game.

Anyway, genuinely, I'd be interested in information on reaction times if they have proof that there is a genetic split. Cognitive science was one of the more interesting things at uni.

I showed the same reaction time improvement at the Science museum in Boston. They have a reaction tester. When I tried it 'cold' I was getting 0.22-0.25 secs reaction times, and this was favourable compared to their charts of results. Eventually, with total focus to the task, I had shaved it to 0.13 - 0.15 secs.

I guess most people's reactions when alert but not totally focused (in the 'zone', whatever) are going to be around the 0.2-0.3 seconds. Rather than a driver or athlete having particularly great reflexes, most of the skill is how quickly and completely they focus and how long they can stay there. Obviously there are many other areas that distinguish athletes - there is no use of great reaction times if the reactions you make are wrong....

[Becky Rose]

Originally Posted by Bramskiyou can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.
How did I miss this at the time? I totally disagree, I can be extremely agressive when racing, extremely, and it's nothing to do with hormones.

Agression on the race track is calculated, the desire to overtake is there, the pace (touch wood) is often there, all that is needed is the right circumstances and that comes from either manipulating the lead cars positions on the track - this is referred too as race craft - or sometimes though the opportunity doesn't arrive from a planned attack but instead this comes from a mistake (often the mistake is forced or occurs as a result of harassment), this is the ingredient you are refering too when talking about backing off first, and when this occurs you will have a hard job finding a more agressive driver than me.

It comes from confidence, not testosterone, having enough faith in ones machine and your control over it that you know you can get through the corner first and be out in time for kippers. To some extent knowledge of the other driver can effect confidence, but for my part I know myself and my machine well enough to get involved in a bit of argy bargy - and when it comes to brakes i've got the best and a good 2 metres lead over my rivals on the big stops to begin with ... All last season in club racing I was never once overtaken in a stopping zone and did the majority of my own overtakes on the big stops - I only lost out to anyone on the straights (we where down on power until we got the engines retuned).

So you might think i'll back out first because of a stereotype, but in reality you'd be overtaken whilst trying to prove the theory :).

[hrtburnout]

:hbomb:

[yegadoyai]

So tempting to put in the obvious post about "being a girl you'll never know what testosterone will do to you". But really can't be bothered. Enough said, girls and boys are different, who brakes last (and gets away with it) is more often down to expeirence rather than hormones.

[wark]

There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS

Now, I've meated girls, but never over the internet--not even from more than half a foot away. How might I use this new technology when racing?

[Becky Rose]

I've meated girls
Well less freudian slips about how you meated girls might help... :)

[Albieg]

Did you read also the quote in post 255, Becky?