Nos

[@ Fun_Stuff @]

hi i was wondoring if u can get Nos on the demo cars



Thanks @ Fun_Stuff @ :bananalla

[Hyperactive]

:slap: -> :tombstone

No. http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=176&highlight=nos There was an unofficial addon for something like NOS (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=3132), but it was someway bad so it was removed...

Hope your flamesuit is good, it's getting hot in here...

People, please be gentle with him...

[tristancliffe]

You've accidentally come to the LFS Forum. You were looking for Need for Speed.
I would give you a link, but typing that name gives me a headache, so I can't.

You don't need NOS (Nitrous Oxide) - just learn to drive faster. Oh, and it's laughing gas - but everyone would be laughing at you.

[Citywidemicke]

You don't need NOS (Nitrous Oxide) - just learn to drive faster. Oh, and it's laughing gas - but everyone would be laughing at you.

:iagree:

[AndroidXP]

Just as a friendly warning, incase you haven't already noticed: People here don't generally like the idea of NOS/ricing/vinyls/bodykit upgrades/engine tuning/... basically anything that smells remotely like Need for Speed or The Fast And The Furious.

Drifters were also flamed to hell not so long ago, but in the meanwhile those who really are skilled drifters are mostly respected. Wannabes still have to put on their flamesuits occasionaly, though.


The main point is that this game is all about racing and the skill involved. Pushing a button to get faster is no skill, it's rather a workaround for the lack of it. Anyways, have fun and prepare to say your "other" life goodbye, LFS won't let you go :tilt:

[WGooden]

Was this a joke?

[Vendetta]

Seeing he is a demo racer, most likely not ;)

BTW, anyone got an extra lock smiley? :D

[_Rob_]

He (or someone else asking about NOS) came to the IRC chan under 2 different names (same hostmask though ;)) asking about it too.

[Primoz]

Yup, NoZ and torbo :) Slapped huru and left (as torbo) :>

[Huru-aito]

It was vari. I thought it was obvious :)

[Toigeru]

i keep askin myself...: When do people LEARN that LFS is NOT a arcade game!!!! its a simulator !!!! U want arcade?? go play an arcade game like Nfs or whateve'! damn i even heard people say that this game sucks that it hasent got nos.....Fu**'em all!!!! :)))):pillepall:pillepall:pillepall

Even the demo is SO cool and realistic!! hmm....i wonder how's the full version:scratchch :tilt:

[Vendetta]

i keep askin myself...: When do people LEARN that LFS is NOT a arcade game!!!! its a simulator !!!! U want arcade?? go play an arcade game like Nfs or whateve'! damn i even heard people say that this game sucks that it hasent got nos.....Fu**'em all!!!! :)))):pillepall:pillepall:pillepall

Even the demo is SO cool and realistic!! hmm....i wonder how's the full version:scratchch :tilt:

Just pay those 40 bucks. :D

[letitb]

"Drifters were also flamed to hell not so long ago", but in the meanwhile those who really are skilled drifters are mostly respected. Wannabes still have to put on their flamesuits occasionaly, though.



Why Were They Flamed To Hell?

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Why Were They Flamed To Hell?

LOL

Come on people be friendly

... Some people question the legitimacy of drifting as a sport ...

Many of them play LFS

Personally I think the project is great and can appeal to all automotive enthusists from different "genres".... Drifters, Ricers, Purists, Gearheads, Masochists etc...

[Kajojek(PL)]

LOL
I will never understand those people:shrug:

[XCNuse]

..i still dont understand why everyone hates the need for speed series??! i mean common, they are the leaders of racing games; i mean.. look at all the racing games out there nowadays, how many of them that have real (well.. commute cars) and you can tune them? all 'racing' games bow down to NFS because of their ingenious idea

i mean seriously guys.. whats there to hate about it? that its getting more attention than LFS? if so thats just your ignorance, some of you guys here are like purists and believe only one thing and deny everything else.. i mean.. really, if you dont have anything nice to say.. dont say it.... please, you just make the LFS community look bad

[tristancliffe]

:x :shrug:

[Vendetta]

genious? :pillepall:x

[NotAnIllusion]

..i still dont understand why everyone hates the need for speed series??! i mean common, they are the leaders of racing games; i mean.. look at all the racing games out there nowadays, how many of them that have real (well.. commute cars) and you can tune them? all 'racing' games bow down to NFS because of their ingenious idea

i mean seriously guys.. whats there to hate about it? that its getting more attention than LFS? if so thats just your ignorance, some of you guys here are like purists and believe only one thing and deny everything else.. i mean.. really, if you dont have anything nice to say.. dont say it.... please, you just make the LFS community look bad

A negative comment is a comment just as a positive one is. Both should be allowed to be stated provided they are backed up. E.g., "I don't want NOS in LFS because in my opinion LFS objective is to imitate real-life racing serie, of which most do not allow NOS. In addition, I think NOS should not be implemented because there are other games out there that are better suited and intended to reflect after-market modifications of the cars in question. It is my view that LFS should stick to more "pure", driver oriented forms of racing".

[wheel4hummer]

Nitrous is a very cheap way of getting more power, but its only for drag-racing.

[XCNuse]

well what i meant by negative is.. mean.. like a raging comment, im fine with people that say they dont like something and back it up, but just telling off about how 'bad' it is and just 'flaming' it, thats just .. retarded

and .. no, its not only for drag racing, (maybe professional racing wise) but its not like you cant go out and buy a bottle or .. a few

[NotAnIllusion]

Nitrous is a... ...way of getting more power, but its only for drag-racing.
Drag-racing is a legitimate branch of motor racing, and we already have drag strips in LFS. Currently they are not long enough for the effective use of NOS, perhaps this would be a more valid reason not to have NOS than because you find it "cheap".

[NotAnIllusion]

well what i meant by negative is.. mean.. like a raging comment, im fine with people that say they dont like something and back it up, but just telling off about how 'bad' it is and just 'flaming' it, thats just .. retarded
I agree, I have provided what hopefully is a decent example of how not to agree while not flaming, and hope flamers will take the subtle hint :D

and .. no, its not only for drag racing, (maybe professional racing wise) but its not like you cant go out and buy a bottle or .. a few
No doubt there are some such serie, perhaps some should be represented. In my opinion they should not be for the reason I mentioned earlier. It's my view that LFS should try to depict specifically professional racing, instead of the "let's go buy a few bottles of NOS and have a race" type of races. I do see your point that it is used :)

[Racer Y]

Uhhh... If we had NOS, I don't think that would be a very good idea.
If everyone had this and used it, You'd more likely have more wrecks and
SLOWER overall lap times. THink about what that one turn in S City long/ Town. You know, the hard 90°? LOL the race would END right there on that track if it even got that far before a restart.
Also, it seems the majority of people that want NOS, seem to want it to make
up for a Lack of skill or maybe to give them an advantage........
How that would give them an advantage when everyone would have it is beyond me, but that's what I get when I read these NOS posts

I think in order to have NOS in LFS and have it made along the same standards as everything else in the game I imagine it would take even MORE skill to use correctly.

I dunno... Maybe if they decide to really do something with the drag strip (they really should) it could be a good thing to have, but the game should also have a fuel/air mixture setting we could play with as well.

But overall, I don't think NOS would be such a good idea.
I think most people that seem to want it, or think that they want it,
are really just wanting a Hyperspace button anyways :)

[zeeaq]

i do agree with XCNuse......i mean there is no reason to hate NFS.......its not that bad......though it doesn't come anywhere near LFS.......i just think its a process of growin up...........arcade racing comes first..........and then comes serious sim racing........but of course......LIVE FOR SPEED is at the top...........man lfs rocks......will be getting the full version soon.....:)

[Huru-aito]

need for speed sucks for a reason...they don't tell the players that what you do in the game is impossible to do in real life.....that being able to pass a car @ 200mph by just tapping one time to the left or right doesn't happen in real life........it's entertainment, maybe a bad streetracing (ricing? :D) simulation that still has nothing to do with simulating the actual cars and how they work.....compare unreal tournaments with the rainbow 6 series....you have the same thing there......man this is cool....i'll start writing like this all the time..!

[zeeaq]

well lfs and nfs are both meant for different kinda ppl..........as they say....."different strokes for different folks":D .........and thts why nfs is an arcade "game".....and lfs is a racing "sim".......it all depends upon how fast u grow to hate nfs and like lfs......

[Evoluti0n_II]

NFS sucks among other things because of ridiculous body kits and HUGE wings in cheap plastic look :shrug:


:lfs: - :thumbsup:

[Matrixi]

NFS is and will be a milestone for ricing games on PC. Hollywood candy graphics and the arcadeness will never get me playing those games. As I've stated several times on this forum, NFS series got messed up bad after Porsche Unleashed. Simulators will NEVER be as popular as arcade crap like NFS because mainstream wants entertainment, not realism.

To hell with NFS riceboys with their ridiculous NAAAAWWZZZ and wings. :)

[XCNuse]

need for speed sucks for a reason...they don't tell the players that what you do in the game is impossible to do in real life
lol it says it right at the beginning when its loading hahah

i wouldnt say its a process of 'growing up', i was playing NFSU all weekend last weekend because i never got it when it came out (kinda glad though lol it only costs 20$ now), its more or less just 'what your interested in' i just do it for the fun of it, thats what all those games are made for.. fun ;) not realism

[mrodgers]

I played NFS the original when I got my first computer. Many of the folks I race now here in LFS were starting Kindergarden or the European equivelant when I first had that game. It was awesome back then, until I found Indycar Racing 2 which was more real. Then I didn't have a PC upgrade until last year when I tried NFS Porsche (was that 5?). Coming from only seeing the original NFS, I thought Porsche was awesome, for what it was. I was also starting with NR2002 then, just jumped on Porsche for some fun. I've never tried Underground or any of the NFS series after Porsche, it just all looked too Hollywood. Now NFS is just a game, like GT3 and GT4 where you have to upgrade, buy parts, etc. LFS is not a game, there is NO game play. It is strickly racing other people, just you, the track, and your opponents. Nothing to buy, nothing to upgrade, nothing to unlock, no game play whatsoever. And that is so much more satisfying getting online nightly and racing with your new found friends rather than beating a game. EA and the others only want to make profit. Where is the profit? It's designing games for 8 year olds to whatever age to run and buy every year. Simulation is where it's at with racing. The simulation community is now huge and growing daily as those 8, 10, 12 year olds from the Sony Playstation 1 era "racing" game fans are growing up. Someday, the simulation community will be as big as the gaming community, but we have a long way to go yet. Simulations are the only things loaded on my computer now, LFS, NR2003, and Microsoft Flight Sim. I no longer play ANY games on the computer!

[Hyperactive]

The most horrible mistake in the NFS series was made when they released NFS 3. They just ruined the driving model, you couldn't even spin anymore. Luckily NFS 3 doesn't work under XP. But the multimedia showcases were great! But the game felt like plastic after the first 2 parts which were pure steel at their time.


And I really can't understand what kind of good could NOS bring to LFS? There are many this kind of engine tweaking methods and there is no need to use them all. Or any. If we wanted a full blown dragracing simulator, a lot of work is needed to get all that data unique for dragracing done well. Same goes for tractor pulling, NOS, VTEC, injecting water... etc...

When in other thread people talked about having bodykits and being able to use credits to buy them it was brought up that it would just make the fast even faster and the slow even slower. Why is NOS any different. You need the skill to use it right. And while everybody are using it...

Maybe someone would write a short introduction thread what LFS is about? And make it a sticky one:

Live for Speed is a small development team dedicated to making the best online racing simulator. Our current release is S2 with which we attempt to recreate the thrill and fun of real racing, by simulating all aspects important to racing. Varying racing environments and cars which can be setup by an abundance of options - all on your home pc.

And more:

LFS S2 is a serious racing simulator. No arcade modes, no steering aids - YOU have to do the driving. It is therefore highly recommended to play the sim with a wheel, because even though you can use keyboard and/or mouse, a wheel is what you use in a real car, so a wheel should be used in a serious racing simulator. Especially when going online, where fast reactions are required.
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A serious simulator obviously requires a very good physics simulation to provide the thrill and fun of real racing. This is done by simulating all aspects that are important to racing. LFS S2 is the second step towards our vision of what the sim must become and already does a very good job in simulating real racing. Many racing aspects are covered - comprehensive setup possibilities, fuel usage, tyre wear, a lot of different surface types, intriguing racing environments, different car classes, etc. All these aspects make sure you have enough to practise with and spend time on learning the flow of the tracks. Additionally, don't forget to plan your pitstops - find out how much fuel your car uses on a track and how are your tyres behaving on any track, with your driving style. All aspects you will have to think about in real racing and as such you need to think about them in S2 as well.

[Toigeru]

Just pay those 40 bucks. :D

very hard ... i dont have a creditcard and my parents are workin in italy zo... :( im only 16. can i use the crack just 4 peaking?? :D:D:D:D just kidin'

p.s and unfortunetly here 40 dollars are pretty much for most of the people :(. curently i wanna buy a momo wheel so after that maybe :):shy:

[Vendetta]

Get a job? Thats how i made some money over the summer.

[XCNuse]

wait, hyperactive you said injecting water? you mean into a radiator or what? lol i know they have water injection back in alot of the faster WWII aircraft, but in a car? i dont think i've ever heard of that being done before?

[Huru-aito]

Water can be injected into the engine in small amounts, or in force fed engines sprayed on an intercooler. The main purpose is cooling, it cools the intake air and in internal injection reduces temperatures in combustion chamber when ending the compression cycle which in turn reduces knocking.

In short, it's used to get more power out of the engine :)

[Kajojek(PL)]

it all depends upon how fast u grow to hate nfs and like lfs......
I have to say Im growing up really quickly. Im only 13

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Indeed it's all subjective of course.

I actually play a little Most Wanted here and there, it's fun for kicks and no of course it's not realistic in any way shape or form and I shut the damn music off hehe

But for killing a few minutes here and there it's cheap thrills

[dave4002000]

Why does it have to be NOS? why can't it be Nitrous Express or ZEX or Venom? I think what you are referring to is N20(Nitrous Oxide)...or you can just run around screaming NNAAWWWWWZZZZZZ and V-TECCCCCCCC if you would like:pillepall

[NotAnIllusion]

N20(Nitrous Oxide)
Since you insisted on being specific, it's not N20 (twenty) but N2O (two-'o'). :p

It's just a popular term there as "hoover". Hoover is a kind of a vacuum cleaner, yet it is commonly used to describe all vacuum cleaners. Nothing to get aggravated about, even if you disapprove of ZEX.

[AndroidXP]

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct? :Looking_a

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

[DodgeRacer]

No but sugar in the fuel helps clean the injectors for users of N2O ;)


But seriously no it does not android, urban legend.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Why does it have to be NOS? why can't it be Nitrous Express or ZEX or Venom? I think what you are referring to is N20(Nitrous Oxide)...or you can just run around screaming NNAAWWWWWZZZZZZ and V-TECCCCCCCC if you would like:pillepall

Totally OT:

Is that seriously your sweet ride in your sig? (rhetorical I know)

I almost bought an 05 SRT-4 3 weeks ago - has yours treated you well even after the upgrades?

How much did you sink into the upgrades?

Sweet car do you have any videos?

Got to ride in a stock one this weekend.... Those things get to 200K+ in a serious hurry...:D

[AndroidXP]

But seriously no it does not android, urban legend.Mark my post, just in case ;)

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct? :Looking_a

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

Embarassingly I almost asked what that was ROFL:D :D

EDIT: Guess I should not admit that.... :hide: :shhh:

[dave4002000]

Since you insisted on being specific, it's not N20 (twenty) but N2O (two-'o'). :p

It's just a popular term there as "hoover". Hoover is a kind of a vacuum cleaner, yet it is commonly used to describe all vacuum cleaners. Nothing to get aggravated about, even if you disapprove of ZEX.

lol, thanks...damn keys are too close together :shrug:

[dave4002000]

Totally OT:

Is that seriously your sweet ride in your sig? (rhetorical I know)

I almost bought an 05 SRT-4 3 weeks ago - has yours treated you well even after the upgrades?

How much did you sink into the upgrades?

Sweet car do you have any videos?

Got to ride in a stock one this weekend.... Those things get to 200K+ in a serious hurry...:D

yes, it is my car :razz: no vids yet..hopefully i'll get some this summer at the drags...i've got about 28,000miles on it right now and i haven't had a single problem with it (::knocks on wood::) including the mods..everything included i got somewhere between $5k-$6k into the motor. that's where i'm going to keep it power wise, i think :scratchch ...it's my daily driver and it's starting to get hard to drive around on the streets...lol :thumb:

i also recommend that you go back to where you ALMOST bought it...and BUY IT!...lol..i've loved it ever since it brand new, stock, off the showroom floor with 2 miles on it!

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

There was only 2 left in western Canada a few weeks ago they're probably gone now :(

So of course I never got to test driver one, they would've had to bring it from another dealer (wouldn't tell me where presumably so I couldn't just go there and buy it). I was slightly p/o'd because I knew more about the car than the fellow I was dealing with about it (I just walked in and said "I want to have one of these...").

It's one of those situations where I "could" get it technically but then we would've been financially a bit stretched and saving for our house would get seriously attenuated.... Plus my current car is almost paid off, so I could save a whole bunch in another year, or pay more than I am for 6 years.... To compromise I'm thinking of getting a turbocharging kit from Alpine for my current ride, at least I'd have SOME power then hehehe.

But I LOVE those SRT-4s, if you ever come to Alberta Canada give me call and take me for a rip!!!

That's the only car I would love to have that would reasonably accomodate my 2 boys.

Other than an STi but they're so overpriced it's mind boggling.

[XCNuse]

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct? :Looking_a
no, cause there is no such thing as dihydrogen monoxide

hydrogen is an alkali metal; oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family, both are on seperate ends of the periodic table; now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules .. which thats the only time you would use the prefixes

so its hydrogen monoxide

but.. what are you talking about, your saying adding H2O (water) into your fuel makes you go faster.. lol correct me if im wrong, but that can do serious damage to an engine (possibly destroy it if its a diesel)

lol just did some research of what diyhdrogen monoxide is; apparently it was first 'announced' by a 9th grader in some highschool in 97; he said it was a dangerous chemical and killed thousands of people each year.. of his fellow schoolmates; "43 students decided the chemical should be banned, 6 were undecided, and 1 was correct by saying 'its only water'" the chemical became known as DHMO.. a fictitious chemical at that, since.. there is no such thing as dihydrogen monoxide :p
further reading here: (joe shmo source, but ..who knows) http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp

[wheel4hummer]

Stop flaming nitrous. I would like REALISTIC nitrous. Meaning, if the car isnt at WOT, then the nitrous will not spray. Before the rev limiter, the nitrous would shut off. AND, you don't press a button and go "naawwwwwzzzz!". Nitrous comes on automatically.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

but.. what are you talking about, your saying adding H2O (water) into your fuel makes you go faster.. lol correct me if im wrong, but that can do serious damage to an engine (possibly destroy it if its a diesel)

If you look closely at his (AndroidXPs) original post you can see the faint white writing..... :D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Stop flaming nitrous. I would like REALISTIC nitrous. Meaning, if the car isnt at WOT, then the nitrous will not spray. Before the rev limiter, the nitrous would shut off. AND, you don't press a button and go "naawwwwwzzzz!". Nitrous comes on automatically.

A) If I had nitrous, when I used it I would probably be really tempted to shout "naaawwwwzzzz" :razz: :D

LOL Just kidding... sort of... I think :scratchch

B) I don't think you HAVE to use a WOT switch with most systems but you can if you want.

[XXXg3]

i do agree with XCNuse......i mean there is no reason to hate NFS.......its not that bad......though it doesn't come anywhere near LFS.......i just think its a process of growin up...........arcade racing comes first..........and then comes serious sim racing........but of course......LIVE FOR SPEED is at the top...........man lfs rocks......will be getting the full version soon.....:)
need for speed sucks for a reason...they don't tell the players that what you do in the game is impossible to do in real life.....that being able to pass a car @ 200mph by just tapping one time to the left or right doesn't happen in real life........it's entertainment, maybe a bad streetracing (ricing? :D) simulation that still has nothing to do with simulating the actual cars and how they work.....compare unreal tournaments with the rainbow 6 series....you have the same thing there......man this is cool....i'll start writing like this all the time..!

AHHH PERIOD OVERDOSE!!!!:scared:

[Hankstar]

...hydrogen is an alkali metal; oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family, both are on seperate ends of the periodic table; now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules .. which thats the only time you would use the prefixes...


Are you serious? I'm no chemist but I know that hydrogen is a gas and so is oxygen (what exactly is the "oxygen family" anyway?) and by definition they are both non-metals. They're actually quite close to each other on the periodic table too: Hydrogen is no.1 and Oxygen is no.8 IIRC.

Just FYI
:shrug:

[wheel4hummer]

hydrogen is an alkali metal

Your reading the periodic table incorrectly!


oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family

No, its in group 16.


now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules

There's no such thing as binary molecules. Perhaps you mean binary compounds. And even then, a binary compound is a metal and a non-metal in a compound.


EDIT: @ Fun_Stuff @: I just found out that "nos" means "our" in french. So, "our" what? You think they should have our....?

[tristancliffe]

"At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen forms a diatomic gas, H2, with a boiling point of only 20.27 K and a melting point of 14.02 K. Under extreme pressures, such as those at the center of gas giants, the molecules lose their identity and the hydrogen becomes a metal."
source: Wikipedia

So, you're both correct. You can have aluminium as a gas if you go to the correct temperatures and pressures, and you can have solid oxygen in the same way. Metal does not mean not a gas.

"Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is an obscure name for water."

"A common misconception about water is that it is a powerful conductor of electricity. Any electrical properties observable in water are due to the ions of mineral salts and carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Water does self-ionize (two water molecules become one hydroxide anion and one hydronium cation), but only at a very slight, almost immeasurable level. Pure water can also be electrolized into oxygen and hydrogen gases but without any dissolved ions, this is a very slow process and thus very little current is conducted. Many bottled water companies exploit another common misconception, advertising both purity and taste, even though pure water is tasteless."
sources: Wikipedia.

[XCNuse]

doh ya, just rembered; it has the same qualities as the elements in group 1A, but its a noble gas.. confusing table :p

lol i can promise you i dont remember much from last semester in chemsitry class haha

[xapexcivicx]

Why Were They Flamed To Hell?
Because many immature little kids like to give us a bad reputation. Meanwhile you have some amazingly skilled drifters who are complete gentlemen, just trying to have some fun. It's an on-going "war" if you want.

(Sorry if this was late):)

[bbman]

"At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen forms a diatomic gas, H2, with a boiling point of only 20.27 K and a melting point of 14.02 K. Under extreme pressures, such as those at the center of gas giants, the molecules lose their identity and the hydrogen becomes a metal."
source: Wikipedia

So, you're both correct. You can have aluminium as a gas if you go to the correct temperatures and pressures, and you can have solid oxygen in the same way. Metal does not mean not a gas.

"Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is an obscure name for water."

"A common misconception about water is that it is a powerful conductor of electricity. Any electrical properties observable in water are due to the ions of mineral salts and carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Water does self-ionize (two water molecules become one hydroxide anion and one hydronium cation), but only at a very slight, almost immeasurable level. Pure water can also be electrolized into oxygen and hydrogen gases but without any dissolved ions, this is a very slow process and thus very little current is conducted. Many bottled water companies exploit another common misconception, advertising both purity and taste, even though pure water is tasteless."
sources: Wikipedia.
Plus, Dihydrogen monoxide just means 2 hydrogen and one oxide (or oxygen) atoms forming the compound...

[ATHome]

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct? :Looking_a

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

But there is a thing called water injection, it's just not used to put it in the combustion chamber, it is just there for cooling the air, so it is a form of intercooler.

It was mostly used during WW2 to raise the power of fighter planes

[XCNuse]

group "16" doesnt exist lol theres only 8 groups; the "oxygen family" is group 6 (unless you accidently hit 1) and yes i meant binary compounds; probably was thinking of the word molecules when i typed it

@tristan; anything can become a gas; it is just put as what it is found as in the world; its like water.. thats one of the few things you find in all 3 types of matter in normal conditions; but things like alluminum, you wont find liquid alluminum under normal conditions, only its solid form (well afaik, thats just an example..)

[AndroidXP]

My god, what have I done :doh:

[tristancliffe]

group "16" doesnt exist lol theres only 8 groups; the "oxygen family" is group 6 (unless you accidently hit 1) and yes i meant binary compounds; probably was thinking of the word molecules when i typed it

@tristan; anything can become a gas; it is just put as what it is found as in the world; its like water.. thats one of the few things you find in all 3 types of matter in normal conditions; but things like alluminum, you wont find liquid alluminum under normal conditions, only its solid form (well afaik, thats just an example..)

18 groups - have a look at the periodic table, and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

And yes, I said anything can be a gas or a solid (although some things sublime straight from gas to solid and miss out liquid iirc).

My god, what have I done Thats the last time you'll be sarcastic on this forum :p

[XCNuse]

either way, i was right saying group 8A, because thats what it is.. actually i take that back, now its group O .. dunno why they changed it, but its not 8A anymore, its just.. O

there are 18 families, but the groups include:
1A alkali metals
2A alkaline earth metals
3A boron family
4A carbon family
5A nitrogen family
6A oxygen family
7A halogens
O (8A) noble gasses

now the inner transition metals go from 2B to 3B (remember, it starts at 3 and goes to 8B, then 1B, 2B) and those ARE considered groups, but they arent families

either way tristan, not everything at wikipidia is 'correct'.. keep in mind its run by people like you and i that .. in some terms may know absolutely nothing and just make up crap also known as "joe shmo" websites

im just telling you what i learned last semester lol..

[mattlikespeoples]

*small edit-only read the first page when i posted this so it's almost OT by now :P *

oh cmon guys, i play nfs and i want to make one thing very clear...your cars only have gay stripes/wings/vinyl if you put them on there!!!

now with that out of the way, i enjoy both emminsely. I'm not too serious of a racer in lfs because i dont have the time needed to be more than ok but as far as the sim aspects of it, LFS is unsurpassed...so far. Need for speed is a great game but for those older than 15, most of the things in there are just too rediculous and voer the top to take seriously. game vs sim-they're both on your damn computer so it isnt real life. Sim nazi's are close-minded. ricer fanboys are just iggnorant of better things. both have flaws that parallel the games they enjoy:tilt:

[lrdbsi]

lol just like u guys, a normal topic turns into a comp on whos a scientist, well u all look like imature idiots,

[ajp71]

but its only for drag-racing.

Not entirely true, use to be used in hillclimbing, historic Shelsley Walsh anybody? (thinks of Nick Mann's tubrocharged, nitrous injected Rover V8 Morris Minor :scratchch)

[ajp71]

Back on the original topic (I hate chemistry so aren't going to join in the Science club gathering :D)

I have occasionally wished there was a version of LFS with a physics engine, and no neon lights, bodykits or NOS, however, LFS is a circuit racing sim, it is entirely inappropriate for this kind of use. I think SEV took a risk when they allowed it to be opened up to some arcadey style racing, ramps, drfiting, banger racing, jumps, cops n' robbers etc. Not saying they shouldn't be there, they're fun in their own right just they can create an intrest from the typical Burnout/NFS player.

[Rtsbasic]

I agree with mattlikespeoples for the most part. I play LFS quite a bit and I think I'm quite fast, but I also play Gran turismo a good amount, as well as NFS & burnout, and that type of arcade style game. Because you think LFS rules (which it does in many many ways) doesn't mean other types of racing games suck, I don't see why so many people (not pointing at anyone in particular, it happens everywhere) try to group people into e.g. a LFS & NFS crowd. I personally happen to like small diversions like banger racing in LFS, these sorts of things can help the game as well (for example banger racing could be used as a test to improve the crash physics).

That said, I don't think nos would exactly fit into LFS :) Anyway just my 2p on this (off)topic.

[lrdbsi]

Ok Whos Gona Be Next In Telling Us Bs About Nos?

[al heeley]

Lol, well we're all still waiting for your first constructive post on the forum, lrdbsi. :pillepallGo on, surprise us.:D

[ATHome]

I think SEV took a risk when they allowed it to be opened up to some arcadey style racing, ramps, drfiting, banger racing, jumps, cops n' robbers etc.

Err... Every good race sim, with cars suitable for it, allows you to drift. Because you could do this in real life, too.

I agree on the other stuff, but SEV hadn't done anything to make it driftable. It's just the way (to a certain degree) cars behave in real life.

[tristancliffe]

Ok Whos Gona Be Next In Telling Us Bs About Nos?

How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.

[ajp71]

Err... Every good race sim, with cars suitable for it, allows you to drift. Because you could do this in real life, too.

I agree on the other stuff, but SEV hadn't done anything to make it driftable. It's just the way (to a certain degree) cars behave in real life.

Well drifiting could be removed from that list, I don't want to start another drift vs. race arguement. As for other things, the Papy/nK engine could have had ramps, autocross areas, drift setups, rallycross added to them with ease, they chose not to as they wanted to remain on the straight and narrow circuit sim. Without these side shows they escaped the average ricer turning up and asking for super turbo boost.

[lrdbsi]

How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.

fruit cake

[Vendetta]

fruit cake

oh shut up already. Someone PLEASE ban this guy. Just because tristan has more knowledge than you doesnt mean you should act like a 5 year old and bash him whenever you get the chance.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.

Really? :scratchch

I knew of course that it cools the charge seriously, but I would've thought that the oxygen present would also burn... It decomposes into N and O at 300-575 degrees (big range, 300 is for N20 under pressure) and a quick glance at an MSDS reveleals that it highly supports combustion, presumable because of all that oxygen being released with high temperatues involved in combustion.... Pretty sure that both effects are present and contribute to the extra power.

Correct me if I am wrong :razz: :D

[AndroidXP]

oh shut up already. Someone PLEASE ban this guy. Just because tristan has more knowledge than you doesnt mean you should act like a 5 year old and bash him whenever you get the chance.
Just set him on your ignore list (http://www.lfsforum.net/profile.php?do=editlist), like I did a long time ago. :thumb:

[tristancliffe]

Really? :scratchch

I knew of course that it cools the charge seriously, but I would've thought that the oxygen present would also burn... It decomposes into N and O at 300-575 degrees (big range, 300 is for N20 under pressure) and a quick glance at an MSDS reveleals that it highly supports combustion, presumable because of all that oxygen being released with high temperatues involved in combustion.... Pretty sure that both effects are present and contribute to the extra power.

Correct me if I am wrong :razz: :D

Yes, the oxygen does have an effect as everyone knows, but the evaporation of the N2O lowers the charge temperature, making it all nice and denser and reducing the risk of detonation (until you raise compression ratios or use more aggressive ignition timing to take advantage of this).

[ATHome]

Well drifiting could be removed from that list, I don't want to start another drift vs. race arguement. As for other things, the Papy/nK engine could have had ramps, autocross areas, drift setups, rallycross added to them with ease, they chose not to as they wanted to remain on the straight and narrow circuit sim. Without these side shows they escaped the average ricer turning up and asking for super turbo boost.

Mhh... I wonder how drifting could be removed. You've got a car with RWD (or AWD), you've got bends and hairpins and you've got quite a realistic simulation. I mean I've even drifted in NR2003 (Papy ;) ) for fun. And these cars were not really suitable for such abuse.

I agree on the ramps, they not really needed. But I don't really care about them, as they are okay for clowning around. But I disagree that autocross and rallycross attracts only the average ricer. As the devs want to simulate a wide range of racing, there must be rallycross and autocross. And maybe there will even be pure rally and kart racing at one point. That's how they want their game ;)

But drag racing could be removed. As long as we don't have the possibility to jump start.

[wheel4hummer]

How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.
WHICH in turn makes the air more dense which IS extra oxygen. :scratchch

And, at 300C the nitrous splits into oxygen and nitrogen. The extra oxygen makes the fuel mixture more lean, and then the O2 sensors in the exaust manifold sense more oxygen, and add more fuel.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Yes, the oxygen does have an effect as everyone knows, but the evaporation of the N2O lowers the charge temperature, making it all nice and denser and reducing the risk of detonation (until you raise compression ratios or use more aggressive ignition timing to take advantage of this).

Right.

Just when you said "not the extra oxygen that...." I thought you were saying that it didn't have any effect, but that was my wrong presumption.

[tristancliffe]

You see, I was answering the question "Ok Whos Gona Be Next In Telling Us Bs About Nos?", so I did.

I'd rather not get into a technical discussion about Nitrous Oxide for two reasons 1. My knowledge of it runs out pretty quickly after this and 2. It's not a motorsport product and therefore has little or no context in a racing sim. :D

[Hyperactive]

That lrdbsi is certainly a personality. I mean, he makes a couple of posts and gets banned, waits until his ban is over and posts again and gets banned, again and again... Expect some bad post again after few weeks :)

Or is it just sad...?

[Scirocco]

I'd rather not get into a technical discussion about Nitrous Oxide for two reasons 1. My knowledge of it runs out pretty quickly after this and 2. It's not a motorsport product and therefore has little or no context in a racing sim. :D
There's a flaw in your logic. Drag racing is a form of Motorsport and the NHRA recognizes and allows the use of nitrous. :x

[vilim]

You've accidentally come to the LFS Forum. You were looking for Need for Speed.
I would give you a link, but typing that name gives me a headache, so I can't.

You don't need NOS (Nitrous Oxide) - just learn to drive faster. Oh, and it's laughing gas - but everyone would be laughing at you.

But you typed it!:D

[tristancliffe]

Lol, and I had a headache, and couldn't face a second time :D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Seems like a pointless enough place to do this... Forgive me...

99

[AndroidXP]

So, one more to go to break the magic barrier of e-penis stardom, am I rite?

:Looking_a

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

100

:balloons: :smileyrai


Sorry had to do it

[tristancliffe]

hmmm, should I lecture you about spam :p

Bait out, lets see who's first to catch

[AndroidXP]

^ See, that's how you disguise spam

Gotcha

[al heeley]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm a bit of a Rice N00b. If I fix a BOV to my NOS will it help me drift easier?

[AndroidXP]

No, but if you put a vinyl on your brakepads, it will make them sticker and therefore reduce brake distance. And remember, the later you brake, the longer you're fast. :thumb:

[wheel4hummer]

This thread has gotten out of hand! :schwitz:

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

hmmm, should I lecture you about spam :p

Bait out, lets see who's first to catch
Nah I know all about spam, but I would like to hear your thoughts on posting unnecessarily :D

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

So, one more to go to break the magic barrier of e-penis stardom, am I rite?

:Looking_a


You had to post this before the 100 got there eh?

Come to think of it I did notice a difference... :D

[XCNuse]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm a bit of a Rice N00b. If I fix a BOV to my NOS will it help me drift easier?
now thats a stereotype for ya!

[AndroidXP]

100
800 :balloons: :smileyrai :nana:

yeah, I know...

[Vendetta]

This thread first started with a demoer asking for NOS, and now its about post counts. :D Who wants to discuss current events? (i dont)

[Hyperactive]

Well, I just wanted to make a post and say that I don't have anything to say...:drink: :razz:

But it still adds to the post count, right...? :D

[tinvek]

Not entirely true, use to be used in hillclimbing, historic Shelsley Walsh anybody? (thinks of Nick Mann's tubrocharged, nitrous injected Rover V8 Morris Minor :scratchch)

saw that run a couple of times at loton park hill climb

creapy on a damp track as it was soooo quiet

remember autocar testing it in an early incarnation when it was on road and on standard moggie wheels and tyres !!!! it outran a ferrari (512 i think) ove the standing 1/4

imagine if he did that to you when your trying to pose in your shiney red ferrari in the middle of a city with all the people watching and laughing at you

mind you i remember peter windsor when he was gp correspondent saying how walter wolf's countach got blown away by a chevy van in L.A. :)

[tinvek]

hmmm, should I lecture you about spam :p

Bait out, lets see who's first to catch

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:thumb:

[Fonnybone]

And remember, the later you brake, the longer you're fast. :thumb:

This would be a nice signature :thumb:

[TaiFong]

94 :balloons: :smileyrai :nana:

too early you think?

[xapexcivicx]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm a bit of a Rice N00b. If I fix a BOV to my NOS will it help me drift easier?

Low blow.:(

[Turbocharge]

that sounds cool dude...when yur sittin there at the startline with popped tires still doing a burnout jabbin the hell out of yur NOS button the 140 mph/250 kmh shockwave from our racing XRT cars will ricochet you onto your roof...and youll end up in last place.....((reply to @Fun Stuff@'s question...))

[Super Adam]

shouldnt everyone be able to play lfs, not just the purists?
I mean, they waited (how long) to download it, may have even payed money (if they bought s1 or s2) so if they got it then they can race it. even if ther'e going to add custom lights or Nos or whatever. (I pray someone read that)

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Who said that ONLY purists are allowed to play LFS??

[Hankstar]

Usually people who ask for NOZ, neons and chavvy bod-mods, right after their request for such things get bombed :D

[Eleanor SpeedGT]

lol, but anyway i always think, how would be drive porsches and ferraris in live for speed simulator :D

BTW I YESTERDAY BOUGTH S2 LICENSE! REALLY COOL!

[Breizh]

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[wheel4hummer]

Naaaaaawwwwwwwwwwzzzzzzzzzz Isssssssssss Teh Sex 1!111!!!!!111111

[tehxan]

tl;dr for the most part, but anyway, for lfs to simulate racing as close as possible, engine tweaking / tuning should definitely be a part of it.

NOS would be an ok idea, but as im sure its been said at least once in this thread, most people asking for it are probably just asking for a hyperspace button :pillepall, in which case they should be messing mekanik for the time being.

also, certain cars, down the line in production of lfs, should probably have more configurable bodies, akin to the wing angles of some of the cars in s2, but also the undercarriage of say nascars (flamebait i know).

[AndroidXP]

Engine tweaking wouldn't make sense in LFS. If you add that, soon after people will find a "best" setting for a certain track and everybody will be using that. The only thing it would change is that there would be an even higher gap between newbies and regular racers.

You have to realize, LFS != Real Life. In RL tweaking your engine costs money and time. You also have the risk of ****ing up your engine for good, so just fooling around to get an optimum is very dangerous, contrary to LFS where you could just mess around trial & error style.

IMO, it wouldn't actually add anything to the game. Just make it more complex (like the setups aren't complex enough already).

[Sternendaal]

Not really interested to have NOS in LFS, However,something like the Push To Pass in A1GP/ChampCar would be great to have with a single seater. But only x times a race tho :scratchch

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

:doh:

[mrodgers]

:iagree:

[GerG]

I was wondering if any of the moderators ever close a thread? I always see this, and all other similar threads, that were started by newbies, and nearly all post in them contain "oh, LFS is a sim and won't ever have %s" :D, at the top of the thread list. I don't like this, makes it hard to find the useful information.

[Fonnybone]

I was wondering if any of the moderators ever close a thread? I always see this, and all other similar threads, that were started by newbies, and nearly all post in them contain "oh, LFS is a sim and won't ever have %s" :D, at the top of the thread list. I don't like this, makes it hard to find the useful information.

Well, that would be called freedom of expression where i come from.
If insults start flying, this thread will be closed. If people can be mature
and realise that nothing is 'true' or 'absolute' (we all have different tastes
and ideas of what it's 'good'), then it's ok in my book.

[wheel4hummer]

So, people want a book inside of LFS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nos%2C_Book_of_the_Resurrection

[ROCKRAZOR]

i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.:)

[tristancliffe]

Install the game using NOS? How is a copyrighted name of a Nitrous Oxide (amongst other things) company gonna help install LFS?

[danowat]

Yeah, me too, NOS all the way baby...........:scratchch

Damn, Fast and Furious has a LOT to answer for.

Dan,

[Blackout]

:riceboy:

[Fonnybone]

Install the game using NOS? How is a copyrighted name of a Nitrous Oxide (amongst other things) company gonna help install LFS?

Well, it will install much much faster Tristan, duh ! :D

[tristancliffe]

:doh:

[Vain]

No, the computer will burst in a flameball and look really cool burning like that. Yeah!

Vain

[AleksejBASOwarrior]

i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.:)


Not again....:shy:

Maybe some spoilers or stickers to???

Maybe give up LFS and back to NFS...:thumb:

[Lautsprecher[NOR]]

The LFS People? Sounds like some kind of tribe to me. They do installer-voodoo?

[tinvek]

maybe the computer releases a burst of nos at the user so we all end up really happy every time we start up lfs :)




oh hang on that already happens :) :)



(doesn't it?)

[tristancliffe]

*giggles at tinvek...*


yup, seems too :up:

[AndroidXP]

:( -> :lfs: -> http://members.chello.at/fam-jelinek/christian/emoticons/dance.gif

[BlakjeKaas]

I thought this was a SIMULATOR??? :P
errr... NOS...
well, I think if there's gonna be NOS that the 'good'/non ricerish people use it @ a good time, and it will only be more difficult...

[Hankstar]

Where's the bit in the terms & conditions that says you have to check the Improvement Suggestion Log before starting a new Improvement Suggestion thread? :D

I bet the devs are slapping their foreheads for including cars that look ricey :tilt:

[NaBUru38]

What needs some nitruos is the collision detection loop. It should get four times as much pow... er, frequency :D

[Kajojek(PL)]

:doh::rofl: Again LOL.

[Monkay]

:pillepall Whats with people and Nos anyways? Yes it adds power, but at what cost? blowing your engine wide open? Got to admit it's pritty funny seeing some moron installing Nos(full spray) in his stock civic and blowing the shit out of it driving out of his drive way. hahaha Happens to often...:clapclap: Good laughs!

[v4forlife]

though, not quite nos, but you do have to wonder about the effectiveness of the A1 style speed burst.(serious)

then we can add those LED zausts, and a ton of filler and a rudegirl 13 yr old that we picked up at a crooz.(not so serious)

[Hankstar]

Croozin in the XF GTi would be all the better if the passengers in the back were dressed like slappers in cheap tracksuits. Like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain.

[sgt.flippy]

Do you want NOS, nitrous oxide, nawzz, or ZEX, giggle gas, ...

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

:pillepall Whats with people and Nos anyways? Yes it adds power, but at what cost? blowing your engine wide open? Got to admit it's pritty funny seeing some moron installing Nos(full spray) in his stock civic and blowing the shit out of it driving out of his drive way. hahaha Happens to often...:clapclap: Good laughs!

Just for the record a properly engineered and professionally installed N2O system is not a bad thing and doesn't inherantly cause a blown engine. It's individuals with more money than brains and too much time on their hands who install a poorly thought out system and cause havok and put a bad rap on an otherwise decent way of gaining some power.

And NO, it should not be in LFS

LOL

[Hankstar]

Another silly idea successfully shot down in flames! :clapclap:

[trackah123]

i hope it doesnt get this far :thumb:

otherwise we would end up in a new gamename called "Nos For Speed"

lmao..

what i would like is really crappy destruction/demolition derby cars in a rallycross.. that would be funny.. "mobile wrecks" :D:pillepall

[deggis]

Maybe "DO NOT suggest these improvements" list should be included in the "Suggested improvements log". :D

[Greboth]

LFS is a driving / racing simulator and therefore should have nitrous oxide.
But does anyone really want it? i dont and seems hardly anyone else does either.

[danowat]

LFS is a driving / racing simulator and therefore should have nitrous oxide.
But does anyone really want it? i dont and seems hardly anyone else does either.

Show me a proper curcuit race series that uses N2O.

Dan,

[spankmeyer]

LFS is a driving / racing simulator and therefore should have nitrous oxide.
But does anyone really want it? i dont and seems hardly anyone else does either.

I guess Apple and Steve Jobs aren't the only ones with Reality Distortion Fields, improvement suggestions have been getting more and more hilarious lately. :D

[Lible]

Maybe "DO NOT suggest these improvements" list should be included in the "Suggested improvements log". :D
It may sound funny, but it seems to be a good idea to me.

[Rappa Z]

Gran Turismo 4, best PS2 sim ever had NOS. I say yes but i don't want to burn a car 200 ft away. No flames.

[danowat]

Gran Turismo 4, best PS2 sim ever had NOS. I say yes but i don't want to burn a car 200 ft away. No flames.

Hehehe, PS2 and SIM in the same sentence :thumb:

N2O has NO place in a realistic sim, period.

Dan,

[jtr99]

Hehehe, PS2 and SIM in the same sentence :thumb:

I know what you're saying Dan, but be nice -- there's nothing inherently crap about the PS2 architecture. Similar spec PCs were used to play sims not so many years ago. And (IMHO) "World of Outlaws" was a remarkable little sprint car simulation for PS2.


N2O has NO place in a realistic sim, period.

Hmm. Again, I am basically on side and have no personal desire to press any magic boost buttons in LFS. But I think we protest a bit too much about this issue. Let's be honest -- it's the idiocy of ricer culture we fear and despise, not the actual substance N2O. It's not as if petrol plus air is the one true mixture that can usefully power an internal combustion engine.

[deggis]

I know what you're saying Dan, but be nice -- there's nothing inherently crap about the PS2 architecture. Similar spec PCs were used to play sims not so many years ago. And (IMHO) "World of Outlaws" was a remarkable little sprint car simulation for PS2.
But console is always a console. And a console has it's limits what comes to sims. And I'm not meaning technical limits.

[jtr99]

But console is always a console. And a console has it's limits what comes to sims. And I'm not meaning technical limits.

Yes, I assume you're talking about commercial pressures to produce games that millions of fourteen-year-olds will buy. And it's true that this perceived market doesn't push game production teams towards super-realistic simulation.

But I disagree with the fatalism inherent in your "console is always a console" statement. If you think about it, the PC is a terrible hodgepodge of parts and systems that doesn't make for a great game-playing environment either. Ten years from now, with high-end consoles in every living room, who is to say that a developer couldn't choose to go after the niche market in realistic driving simulations. You may protest that it wouldn't sell enough copies for them to bother with it, but then again most of the bad shooters and arcade racers don't sell many copies either.

[tristancliffe]

In 10 years maybe, but with the current and even new-gen consoles I very much doubt we'll see any 'realistic' anytime soon. Not only do the consoles have to move away from the sofa onto a desk (to mount your wheel on), but the perception of consoles (for the sim racer) and simulations (for the average punter) will have to change. Sure, I'd love to see consoles on HDTV's with 'gaming' features, say animated pit crews, but with the realistic handling of LFS, nKP (maybe, lets see) and, erm, thats about it actually.

[jtr99]

Agreed, Tristan.

I think deep down my point is just about how humble we should all be in predicting the long-term future of technology, computers, and entertainment. Thirty years ago there wasn't really such a thing as a computer game, and now look at the world. The futurologists did a terrible job in failing to predict the existence and importance of the internet, which reminds us that unanticipated world-changing stuff can always be around the corner. Current game designers are showing a lack of imagination in recycling the same four or five game concepts over and over, but the dark ages needn't last forever.

I think the only safe prediction is the obvious one: whatever technological breakthrough occurs, someone will try to use it to sell porn.

[danowat]

GT4 is fun, I play it now and then, heck last year I got 100% on it, I like it, but a sim it is not, and it never will be, it fills a niche, I like to think of it as "Car porn".

Dan,

[deggis]

But I disagree with the fatalism inherent in your "console is always a console" statement. If you think about it, the PC is a terrible hodgepodge of parts and systems that doesn't make for a great game-playing environment either. Ten years from now, with high-end consoles in every living room, who is to say that a developer couldn't choose to go after the niche market in realistic driving simulations.
If/when PC dies as a gaming platform we'll probably see simulations for consoles because it's the only platform that is left. At current stage making a hardcore simulation for console would be a suicide for the dev team.

In 10 years maybe, but with the current and even new-gen consoles I very much doubt we'll see any 'realistic' anytime soon.
Crap Turismo 5 and Forza über-Motorsport 2 :nana:

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

it fills a niche, I like to think of it as "Car porn".
Dan,

Makes sense.... Kind of an enticing slut with just enough cheap thrills and visual tricks to pass off as fun; but in the end it has no depth and lasting fulfillment in and of itself...

Good analogy Dan :D

[Rappa Z]

I have concluded, i would like Nitrous but it ain't comin'.Ricers are freaky

[duke_toaster]

Yes, I assume you're talking about commercial pressures to produce games that millions of fourteen-year-olds will buy. And it's true that this perceived market doesn't push game production teams towards super-realistic simulation.

I am 13 and I have bought LFS S2. Granted, I know people who like NFS (Which is good for 15 minutes but no more) but don't overstereotype.

[jtr99]

No offence intended, Duke. Games companies target a demographic that happens to include you: millions of fourteen-year-olds actually do buy games. It's great to hear that one or more thirteen-year-olds are buying LFS, but sadly you're a man against the tide.

[Viper93]

LFS is a driving / racing simulator and therefore should have nitrous oxide.
But does anyone really want it? i dont and seems hardly anyone else does either.

Show me a proper curcuit race series that uses N2O.

Dan,
I think it should be included, with restrictions. Though there is the "passing" button on the IRL?? cars? Either CART or IRL I don't keep up totally, anyone know for sure which one?

I do know that I wouldn't want it in any of the circuit races. The drag racing community would enjoy it. There are more than just circuit racers that play LFS =P

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

LOOK INTO MY EYES :hypnotize: GIVE ME YOUR SRT-4 :hypnotize:

[Gimpster]

Come on guys we have been over this subject more times then I can count. Yes there is a place in LFS for it, Drag Racing, but it will not likely be implimented until after there are tool inplace to limit the used of just a feature to either individual tracks or through server side options. For now its a dead subject. The pieces needed to control it are not in place there for it does not YET have a place in LFS.

[Viper93]

It may be dead dead in your eyes but there are still newer people that want to know. Besides how could you know the devs don't have something to block it, surely it cannot be that hard. Your making it sound like your trying to find a solution to get a space shuttle into space... :shrug:

[Jakg]

can i just say one thing - Push 2 Pass is NOT N20, it is an engine managemnet feature that lets you run the enging faster for a short while HOWEVER running it like this for extended periods of time is damaging, thus if you need the extra power you can have it, but only for short amounts of time

IMHO if you need a button to pass, you really dont want LFS!

[Viper93]

can i just say one thing - Push 2 Pass is NOT N20, it is an engine managemnet feature that lets you run the enging faster for a short while HOWEVER running it like this for extended periods of time is damaging, thus if you need the extra power you can have it, but only for short amounts of time

IMHO if you need a button to pass, you really dont want LFS!

I agree, was just saying the NNOS would be nice for drags. =P I would hate to have it on the racetrack.

[Viper93]

LOOK INTO MY EYES :hypnotize: GIVE ME YOUR SRT-4 :hypnotize:

LOL you dont want an 05, they upped the friction plates for the sycro's too much and they have meshing issues. I think almost every 05 srt will have tranny work done on it before the warrenty runs out. I donno if they are working on a fix, right now they are just throwing parts at the problem

[Gimpster]

Viper I am basing what I said, on things the devs have said in the past and is part of their core deveopment stratigy. Features are only added when all supporting features needed to make it work are in place. Pit stops did not appear untill there was a reason to pit, tire wear was not added until tire temp was added, as it was need to calculate the wear rates, etc. Its like putting up a building, there is no point building the roof if the walls and foundation are not yet in place.

This relates to Nitrous Oxide systems in that while they may have a place in LFS they are not found in all forms of racing as such limits need to be in place first, hell their might be other factors as well, like which cars get it, if it should be adjustable, Pill Size, etc. Like wings and downforce I am sure the devs feel, not every car needs it.

Its a dam fine approach that allows the sim to constantly elove in complexity step by step, without having to put in too many placeholder systems which will need to be rewritten down the road as more complexity is needed.

[Rappa Z]

It's great to hear that one or more thirteen-year-olds are buying LFS
I was 11 when i bought it.:)

[ajp71]

N2O has NO place in a realistic sim, period.


Well actually N2O has been used in hillclimbing (now banned for safety reasons) and when well setup in a car with a highly stressed racing engine designed for short distance work can be very effective ;)

http://www.geocities.com/morrisgarages_au/v8meth2.jpeg

[pekkaw]

For this post...Go back to play EA games :riceboy:

[spsamsp]

i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.:)

Please... no more useless mods, LFS is soon going to be NFS!!!

[sgt.flippy]

If you guys hate it that much, why do you bring a dieing thread back to life? :pillepall

Nobody replied for almost a month, I hoped it would finally disappear from my subscribed threads, now it's ruined again. Please let it die peacefully!

[pekkaw]

To show my strong opinion about shi*** nos :)

[spsamsp]

To show my strong opinion about shi*** nos :)

Right!! :pillepall

[MustangSVT]

I think the push to pass feature which is found in A1GP and ChampCar I believe would be an interesting feature, maybe in S3? Would have to a server-side option so that admin can choose whether to have this or not, and maybe choose the number of push to pass. This feature should only be available on something like the FO8 though (and maybe the FOX). Then again maybe it wouldn't be such a good feature.

N2O though (NOS) has no place in LFS though.

[Turbocharge]

i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.:)go ahead and burn your tires flat in 5th gear at turn one on BL GP....or on the rallycross track...get all that speed and then slam your self from drifting off of the dirt hairpin and wreck your car tumbling through the air and land cockeyed so you have to pit every single lap before you can finish any race...unable to move...

[gangster_209]

hey what if nitrous oxide was in the game but with some features like: having 2 tanks each tank fill up on each pit stop, or fill up 50% on each pit stop the choice is yours. Please put it in the game.:)

[AndroidXP]

Better get your flamesuit ready...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=5895, just for reference to the result of the last thread.

[detail]

no, NO2 is prohibited, and gangsters are hunted down here.

[axus]

Erm... no.

You're getting it even worse because you own LFS.

[Blackout]

I think one of those N0Z threads should be made sticky, you know, warning example.

[wheel4hummer]

no, NO2 is prohibited, and gangsters are hunted down here.

What does nitrogen dioxide have to do with this thread? :pillepall

[axus]

I think one of those N0Z threads should be made sticky, you know, warning example.

+1

EDIT: @wheel4hummer - I think he means N_2O

[Stellios]

This again :(

No to nitrous at all, this is a racing game not NFS. and in real life you wouldnt use nitrous on track.

[tristancliffe]

It's laughing gas. And we're laughing at you. Go back to ricing.

Edit: Mr 4Hummer - NO2 is an emission created from IC engines, due to disassociation in the post combustion and exhaust phase (iirc). I'm not clear if N2O will have an effect on the specific emissions, and what effect it will be (as N2O is partly to do with charge cooling rather than extra oxygen, though that is of course an added benefit). I would guess that extra N2O would cause more NO2, but with out an air/N2O/fuel ratio I can't do the stoichiometric analysis. Does anyone have the correct ratios, and the chemical composition of the fuel they use? Might as well make this a technical thread rather than a "flaming a ricer" thread.

[axus]

This again :(

No to nitrous at all, this is a racing game not NFS. and in real life you wouldnt use nitrous on track.

Well we do have a drag-strip - you might use it there. But that's not the point. The point is Nitrous oxide doesn't belong in a racing _simulation_... merely because its stupid and boring.

[detail]

What does nitrogen dioxide have to do with this thread? :pillepall
Hmm, I thought they are the same. But does it really matter in this case?

[zeeaq]

But that's not the point. The point is Nitrous oxide doesn't belong in a racing _simulation_... merely because its stupid and boring.

Exactly.Its like bodybuilding using steroids.

[MAGGOT]

Hmm, I thought they are the same. But does it really matter in this case?

You had your "O" and your "2" swapped ;) It's N2O :)


But... NO to N2O. There is no way you would be allowed to use it on a non-dragstrip racetrack.

[bbman]

Hmm, I thought they are the same. But does it really matter in this case?
Yeah, if you'd have any knowlegde in chemical maths, it would even to you... :x

[Jakg]

racername, Rockrazor, username of person who last suggested named Rockrazor

Weve said it before. No

[tinvek]

perhaps if we had a 50 /50 chance that when you triggered your nitrous system you may get n20 injected or co2 :thumb:

[herki]

why CO2 if we can have ... glue :smileypul

[detail]

Yeah, if you'd have any knowlegde in chemical maths, it would even to you...:xI remember something since school. N2O...

_
N = N
\ /
O

In 3d... N has 3 2nd orbitals, two connect each other, don't remember at what angle, and O has 2 at 90° that bend those of N-s. No idea about the chemical properties. Does it free O or oxidizes?

[BlakjeKaas]

hey what if nitrous oxide was in the game but with some features like: having 2 tanks each tank fill up on each pit stop, or fill up 50% on each pit stop the choice is yours. Please put it in the game.:)
ehm no.

[MadCatX]

I remember something since school. N2O...

_
N = N
\ /
O
In 3d... N has 3 2nd orbitals, two connect each other, don't remember at what angle, and O has 2 at 90° that bend those of N-s. No idea about the chemical properties. Does it free O or oxidizes?

Yes, thats it, when N2O is exposed to high heat, it breaks to N2 and frees the elementar oxygen. The elementar oxy is extremly reactive and it fuses with almost everything - so it is the great stuff for burning reaction of fuel and oxygen. The N2 gas does the cooling, so the engine doesnt blow up when some fool presses the NOOOOOOOOS button.

BTW, I have been seriously thinking about adding a 1MHz to my GPU clock with every new thread about "I wanna NOS". It should bring me up about 150FPS addition in a short time:D

[detail]

Yes, thats it, when N2O is exposed to high heat, it breaks to N2 and frees the elementar oxygen. The elementar oxy is extremly reactive and it fuses with almost everything - so it is the great stuff for burning reaction of fuel and oxygen. The N2 gas does the cooling, so the engine doesnt blow up when some fool presses the NOOOOOOOOS button.

BTW, I have been seriously thinking about adding a 1MHz to my GPU clock with every new thread about "I wanna NOS". It should bring me up about 150FPS addition in a short time:D
Great! Thanks a lot for explanation!

[Rappa Z]

i'm fairly new, i just high high posts per day, and i've seen this discuused(error) about 4-5 times and each time was no. Is it gonna change now? LFS is a racing simulator, not NFSU2

[Jakg]

i'm fairly new, i just high high posts per day, and i've seen this discuused(error) about 4-5 times and each time was no. Is it gonna change now? LFS is a racing simulator, not NFSU2you mean NFS:STFU...

[Viper93]

I like the idea of Nitrous for drag racing, but not on the track. I think it would be a good implementation when there is a(Some) car(s) that are for just drag racing, but until then I like whats here now =)

[duke_toaster]

I like the idea of Nitrous for drag racing, but not on the track. I think it would be a good implementation when there is a(Some) car(s) that are for just drag racing, but until then I like whats here now =)

I agree. Nitrous oxide in drag cars. On the following conditions


It can be disabled online
None of the cars in the demo have it
There is no arcadey sound
There is not an arcadey looking meter, just a percentage or something
People who call it "NOS" can be autobanned. Please, it's N2O. And the 2 should be subscript.

[mrodgers]

People who call it "NOS" can be autobanned. Please, it's N2O. And the 2 should be subscript.

Well, both are correct I believe. NOS = Nitrous Oxide System. Now, if you want NOZ autobanned, that's fine :D .

[MAGGOT]

"NOS" is a brand name, not the actual N2O

[spsamsp]

Seriously... just close this thread and lose any other threads which even have to word "NOS", "Nitrous Oxide" or anything else linked to NOS!!

[KeMoT]

NOS in LFS, I thought it was onlu NFS:U feature :smileypul

[Viper93]

NOS in LFS, I thought it was onlu NFS:U feature :smileypul

Only when you get more nitrous by passing close to moving objects or sliding =)

[duke_toaster]

Only when you get more nitrous by passing close to moving objects or sliding =)

You do in the second one. In the first one, when it's gone, it's gone :).

I admit that I did buy NFS:U, but only because it was for a tenner in the bargain bin.

[nath2004uk]

Sorry wrong topic

[Shinanigans]

Ok, i know i'm the "demo nub" round here, but i'll post my 2c worth anyway.

The guy asked if there is a NOS mod. Instantly he is flamed by those who think NOS is uncool and shouldn't be a part of a "racing simulator".

Drag Racing is a sport. It is also a form of racing. Nitrous is used in drag racing... So if you think NOS isn't a part of racing, then you need to put down your Fast and Furious DVD's and go down to a street meet one night.

Lastly, if he wants a NOS mod, good for him! Him wanting to use a NOS mod doesn't affect any of you (unless it can be used as a cheat online) so why does it concern the haters so much? If you're interested in NOS and would agree with the author of the thread that it would be fun to use, then great, speak up, make a request!.... but if you've opened your secondaries just to bag something you don't like, and bag the person who likes things you don't like, then i think it just makes you look like a stubborn little kid.

I would be a hypocrite if i didn't mention that i am indeed interested in playing around with a NOS mod. I'm sure it would be something that i would get over quickly though, as i enjoy playing with LFSTweak :nod:

:shy:

[spsamsp]

Ok, i know i'm the "demo nub" round here, but i'll post my 2c worth anyway.

The guy asked if there is a NOS mod. Instantly he is flamed by those who think NOS is uncool and shouldn't be a part of a "racing simulator".

Drag Racing is a sport. It is also a form of racing. Nitrous is used in drag racing... So if you think NOS isn't a part of racing, then you need to put down your Fast and Furious DVD's and go down to a street meet one night.

Lastly, if he wants a NOS mod, good for him! Him wanting to use a NOS mod doesn't affect any of you (unless it can be used as a cheat online) so why does it concern the haters so much? If you're interested in NOS and would agree with the author of the thread that it would be fun to use, then great, speak up, make a request!.... but if you've opened your secondaries just to bag something you don't like, and bag the person who likes things you don't like, then i think it just makes you look like a stubborn little kid.

I would be a hypocrite if i didn't mention that i am indeed interested in playing around with a NOS mod. I'm sure it would be something that i would get over quickly though, as i enjoy playing with LFSTweak :nod:

:shy:

I may disagree with the NOS mod and i may even flame the people who ask for it but this is a good view on it and being a fan of The Fast And The Furious/2 Fast 2 Furious, i probably may also use the mod on single plaayer mode too, but i think it would definitely need to be banned/barred on Multiplayer!!

[tristancliffe]

Street racing isn't motorsport, it's a silly, often illegal and dangerous activity on public, open roads (often at night), by spotty teenagers with silly looking cars. They use Nitrous Oxide systems.

Real drag racers don't tend to bother. They are resticted by regualtions to use either pump fuel or methanol (or many other fuels, but the point is that they use the same, and Nitrous is VERY VERY rare).

The ONLY reason Nitrous is popular is because ricers use it, and it's in the crappy Fast and Furious/Need for Speed type multimedia where everything is simplified or unrealistic.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

The ONLY reason Nitrous is popular is because ricers use it, and it's in the crappy Fast and Furious/Need for Speed type multimedia where everything is simplified or unrealistic.

:nod:

I wonder how many people would think the movie was "cool" if the pseudocorrect-at-best engine part mumbojumbo jargon they fill it with was replaced with intelligent conversation about engines... Probably not many. Makes it impossible to carry on a real conversation with someone polluted and / or "instructed" by these movies and the culture thereof. Annoyingly so to be honest. Alas - factual knowledge and education about engines seems passe nowdays...

[MAGGOT]

@Shinanigans - Street racing is NOT a sport. Furthermore, NO circuit racing series would allow N2O, and thus, it does NOT belong in LFS.

If you can show me a LEGAL drag racing SERIES that uses N2O (not just nitrous as a fuel, but actual Nitrous Oxide injection for boost) then by all means, LFS should get N2O, but ONLY in a car similar to the one(s) raced in that drag racing league, and only available on the drag strips.

[al heeley]

:nod:

I wonder how many people would think the movie was "cool" if the pseudocorrect-at-best engine part mumbojumbo jargon they fill it with was replaced with intelligent conversation about engines... ...
Jeez now wouldn't that be a box office hit? LOL!:D

[wheel4hummer]

Thats why we should make it so if you use a 300 Shot of "NAWWWWWWWWZZZ" then you will "blow da welds off yo intake manifold".

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Jeez now wouldn't that be a box office hit? LOL!:D

It's just unfortunate that it's "cool" to be stooopid and talk out of the anus.

[tristancliffe]

OMG, the avatars are back. I only noticed when presented with Jeff's face. Gulp.

Oh no, there's mine!!!

To make this post vaguely on topic, I'd like to agree with Jeff that ignorance really does seem to be cool. I'm regularly harrassed by an idiot on MSN (who shall remain nameless, but he's American, and thinks he knows about cars and engineering). He's so naive that it's not worth blocking him, I get great pleasure from telling him he's an idiot whenever he starts to type. And two days lates he's all 'hey bud, how r u lol' (with that annoying animated lol that morons find amusing). Maybe it's a male thing - cars are generally a masculine topic, and no male wants to admit he's not in the know about cars.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

ROFL

"I'ma Gitcha!"

:D

[MAGGOT]

Tristan... in your avatar you have by far the absolute coolest vehicle ever created. THAT is what LFS S3 needs.

[tristancliffe]

Tristan... in your avatar you have by far the absolute coolest vehicle ever created. THAT is what LFS S3 needs.

What is it, do you know? :shrug:

:razz:

[nath2004uk]

Why the hell would you flame of get some1 in trouble its a friggin game!!

we can do what we want in singleplayer

[mrodgers]

What is it, do you know? :shrug:

:razz:
I would guess that you might see that riding around the courses in the infield of Fern Bay Country Club :thumb: .

[Sternendaal]

Why the hell would you flame of get some1 in trouble its a friggin game!!

we can do what we want in singleplayer

LFS isnt a game ;)

[nath2004uk]

AH its a driving simulator soz

Gran turismo 4 is the greatest driving simulator and that has nos for racing around circiuts

[Jakg]

AH its a driving simulator soz

Gran turismo 4 is the greatest driving simulator and that has nos for racing around circiutsnot quite, GT4 is "car porn" lots of cars, awfully arcade physics

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

:hihi:

GT4 is a driving simulator is it?

Just for the record.... it's nothing of the sort, not trying to burst anyone's bubble, but it just isn't. At all. In any way. Prepare yourself for a speech using the vernacular "poo" comming up.

edit, bah beaten...

[(-Mark-)]

no need for nos.. the game is fine as it is, arcade games can have nos, but they arnt as good as racing sims..

[MAGGOT]

GT4 is a great game, not a simulator. And it having NOS doesn't make NOS on a racing circuit realistic. I suggest you take note to what I said in the Live For Speed Hot Pursuit thread if you want to be taken seriously.

[Jakg]

GT4 is a driving simulator is it?

Just for the record.... it's nothing of the sort, not trying to burst anyone's bubble, but it just isn't. At all. In any way. Prepare yourself for a speech using the vernacular "poo" comming up.i love hearing people say how realistic GT4 is and how closely the times compare. Then in the next sentance they claim to have broken the 5 min barrier in a 787B round the 'ring

[MAGGOT]

i love hearing people say how realistic GT4 is and how closely the times compare. Then in the next sentance they claim to have broken the 5 min barrier in a 787B round the 'ring

What? You're telling me that's not possible?:pillepall :D LOL

[Jakg]

What? You're telling me that's not possible?:pillepall :D LOLdont tell anyone, but i took my mum's Proton Wira to the 'ring, managed to get 1 minute dead, but dont tell anyone!

[MAGGOT]

Don't worry, I'll keep the secret. ;)

What kinda times can you do with that "phat r!d3" in your avatar?

[sgt.flippy]

dont tell anyone, but i took my mum's Proton Wira to the 'ring, managed to get 1 minute dead, but dont tell anyone!

I did it faster on my bike.




I circled the finish line.

[Matrixi]

Can't remember when's the last time I quoted someone to my sig saying something on a forum, but this is a must.

[nfsjunkie91]

&%#@ originality.

[Matrixi]

I won't give it up without a fight!!


J/K, you can have it this time. ;)

[Shinanigans]

Sorry fellas, bit of a misunderstanding. I was wondering why everyone started telling me "street racing is not a sport"

I forget im using a multi country forum here, and things are different over seas.

A "Street Meet" is what Wednesday night drags at Western Sydney International Dragway (http://www.wsid.com.au/) used to be called. It was called "Street Meet" because people bring their street cars down the quarter mile.

I agree, racing on the streets is stupid.

Sorry for the confusion :thumb:

[nath2004uk]

circuit racing is a sport like f1 they race on circuit... :)

gt4 is not realistic though i agree with mark because it dosn't need nos unless..

you just got bored and just wanted 2 have some fun damaging your car
:thumb:
i would have some fun in the car park

[tinvek]

circuit racing is a sport like f1 they race on circuit... :)

gt4 is not realistic though i agree with mark because it dosn't need nos unless..

you just got bored and just wanted 2 have some fun damaging your car
:thumb:
i would have some fun in the car park

if you get bored and have nos, just breath a bit in then everythings a giggle :)

[nath2004uk]

lol nos isnt a laughing gas it could kill u if your dumb enough to breathe it for the rest of ur life lol

[wheel4hummer]

lol nos isnt a laughing gas it could kill u if your dumb enough to breathe it for the rest of ur life lol

Well, you are actually right. NOS is NOT pure nitrous oxide. AUTOMOTIVE NITROUS OXIDE CONTAINS VERY DEADLY ADDITIVES! Do not attempt to inhale it! I am sory for using caps, but I just don't want anyone to try doing it.

Don't even inhale pure nitrous oxide. (Unless you are at a hospital or dentist, with a liscensed physician)

[Ollie180]

NOS is just a brand name:pillepall like nitrous express and so on, some of have been watching to many movies (2f2f):smileypul

[Shinanigans]

"NOS" is a brand name yes. But NOS is 'short' for Nitrous Oxide Systems. So if you're saying "NOS" when you are referring to "Nitrous Oxide" then you are basically correct anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

I love wikipedia :D

[herki]

i love hearing people say how realistic GT4 is and how closely the times compare. Then in the next sentance they claim to have broken the 5 min barrier in a 787B round the 'ring

ask Jeremy Clarkson, he will tell you that it's possible [/irony]

[ejd728]

Well NO would be good for some tuneable pure drag car (would be pretty pointless enless locked from every track but autocross) so for example you could tune nitrous like the traction control in FZ50 or BMW sauber. Oh yeah the engine would run on Nitrous like all those 9 second cars out there.

I WANT A RENAULT I HATE THE SAUBER!:snail:

[tristancliffe]

I WANT A RENAULT I HATE THE SAUBER!:snail: To you, me and well, anyone in LFS, they are identical, but with different flappy bits on the side. I very much doubt you'd notice the difference between the Sauber and the Renault. Except the Renault has keyless entry, and a full size spare wheel (or something)

[mrodgers]

Oh yeah the engine would run on Nitrous like all those 9 second cars out there.
I know personally a '74 Nova that runs 9 seconds with a naturally aspirated 454 bigblock with no nitrous.