LFS on Mac

[=MavericK=]

Hello there:smileypul

I was wondering is there any possibility for LFS to become available on Mac OS X?

Thanx:D

[G!NhO]

Dawesdust knows best!

[Bose321]

Dawesdust knows best!
Then explain why he uses a Mac, lol.

[G!NhO]

I can't explain it as i cannot look into his head.


BUT i think i figured out the filosofy of the mac users mind.

Listen!

























Nothing! They just love to take a piss on Windows users. :D

[bunder9999]

you might want to see if it runs in cider... basically, the apple equivalent of cedega. cider is transgaming's non-free ripoff of the free OSS software called wine...

(in my opinion, they stole wine and repackaged it for their own profits... how can one take an OSS application and pass it off as your own... for money? but, in the end, apple fanboys don't care because they're willing to pay $5000 for a piece of crap computer where any smart person would have paid half of that for a better computer - a PC.)

[G!NhO]

Ok

A Mac is like a riced up honda which is bought a an unbelievebly high price, BUT yeah the shitty upgrades are very cheap! weeeeheeeeee

Windows on the other hand is like a f*cking awesome car and that costs a little more but just awesomely overpowers the shitty rice honda.

[=MavericK=]

ok, I will try cider...

Anyway, I didnt wanted to make a discussion which of two is better, Win or Mac... but as a 10year user of Win (Win1997-Win7 which Im currently using for gaming), and about a month user of Mac, I must say that Win is one huge piece of cr*p(I have to mention that I couldnt make my CI/QE working on Mac yet and it is still better than Win)!!!!

I asked, if there is a plan to make full LFS version for Mac, and will wait for some answers from LFS Team.

[bunder9999]

hmm, i got so swept up in my rant i forgot to mention...

chances are there won't be a mac version... lfs depends on directx too much.

[Shadowww]

Linux > Windows > MacOS X.

And yes, LFS is pure DirectX and uses very lot of API calls.

[danthebangerboy]

Ask dawedust, he's the fanboy, er, whoops, i mean, erm,, expert. :D

[dawesdust_12]

I will not post in here as you all are flaming fanboys.

If you are just gonna post negative things, **** off. Be constructive and not criticize what you do not understand.

[DevilDare]

I will not post in here as you all are flaming fanboys.

If you are just gonna post negative things, **** off. Be constructive and not criticize what you do not understand.

Says the guy that swore at everyone and went on a rage without any concstructive criticism or points in previous Mac v Windows threads....

[dawesdust_12]

How? I have put valid points to counter everything that people tried to say about Mac's. I don't haffto resort to personal attacks or simply making dull similes to various unrelated things.

[Not Sure]

Hating Apple is so fashionable, yeah

[5haz]

I will not post in here as you all are flaming fanboys.

If you are just gonna post negative things, **** off. Be constructive and not criticize what you do not understand.

Thats got to be meant to be ironic? :D

[=MavericK=]

How can someone critisize something that one didnt tried to do or use?

I was TEN(10) YEARS Win user and now Im ONE(1) MONTH Mac user, and I found Mac much, much more usefull than Win...:nod:

If there was LockOn Flaming Cliffs and LFS for Mac, I would say bye bye to Win, and see ya never more!

[farcar]

I was TEN(10) YEARS Win user and now Im ONE(1) MONTH Mac user, and I found Mac much, much more usefull than Win...:nod:

The Apple OS is probably fine.
What I have huge issues with is their ridiculously overpriced hardware and the restrictions they impose on third party software. It makes them twice as bad as Microsoft.

[Michael Denham]

I run LFS on my imac in XP using bootcamp, and it runs really nicely. 1920x1200 on the 24in screen and with all the details up I get about 150fps.

[Warper]

The Apple OS is probably fine.
What I have huge issues with is their ridiculously overpriced hardware and the restrictions they impose on third party software. It makes them twice as bad as Microsoft.

Oh my god. What an old argument? There is one thing you can really hate about macs, its there philosophy of doing things sometimes like banning something out of the appstore for example. But please not this old and mostly wrong argument about overpriced hardware. You can not compare just power figures like cpu speed and ram to say if hardware is overpriced or not. I have to admit that i also belong to the group of new apple users. I was always a big fighter against these "overpriced" hardware. Its not the pure power apple is selling. Its the overall package you buy with one of the new unibody macbooks for example which is worth every penny. I dont know about any other notebook (Not even ibm/lenovo anymore) which is offering this level of detail and manufacturing a current apple notebook is offering.

Ok... now flame me... haha! :)

[JJ72]

another stupid hardware argument......this isn't escapist FFS.

[geeman1]

Anyway, I didnt wanted to make a discussion which of two is better, Win or Mac... but as a 10year user of Win (Win1997-Win7 which Im currently using for gaming), and about a month user of Mac, I must say that Win is one huge piece of cr*p(I have to mention that I couldnt make my CI/QE working on Mac yet and it is still better than Win)!!!!It took only one month before you decided to start Internet flame wars :really:

And no, LFS is probably not going to be ported to Mac. Probably the biggest reason being that you would need to maintain two versions and seeing as the development is quite slow already, that doesn't seem a very good option.

[=MavericK=]

It took only one month before you decided to start Internet flame wars :really:


Its not me who started it....

[farcar]

Oh my god. What an old argument?

Old, and still completely valid! :D

[dawesdust_12]

How so? PC's you haffto deal with Windows, and the warranties are all different depending on which piece of hardware dies. PC's are ****ing ugly (even "pretty" cases are ugly, unless they clone a piece of Apple hardware for design). PC's are all loud as heck too.

[mcintyrej]

How so? PC's you haffto deal with Windows, and the warranties are all different depending on which piece of hardware dies. PC's are ****ing ugly (even "pretty" cases are ugly, unless they clone a piece of Apple hardware for design). PC's are all loud as heck too.

I'm not on either side of the fence when it comes to this MAC/Windows argument, but saying that windows PC's are louder, is a pretty tripe thing to say. With the right set of passive coolers you can run most PC's completely silently, the same goes for a mac - its hardly a thing that's comparable between brands.

Also, help the OP and answer his bloody question won't ya! :shy:

[dawesdust_12]

I did actually answer the OP's question. The easiest way is to install Windows in a tiny partition (10GB or so) using Boot Camp Assistant (/Applications/Utilities/Boot Camp Assistant). Then you can have your G25/DFP/Momo work well, as WINE (or Crossover / Cedega / Cider) are kinda shit.

Sure it's telling people to use Windows, but there's no real mature alternatives. Crossover is your best bet, and does run it adequately, but the FPS hit is a bit too much for my liking.

(The noise thing was just me saying stuff I've found in any "Gaming" PC's is that they produce so much heat that they need to have massive setups of cooling to prevent them from overheating.)

[hp999]

Use BootCamp or that program,with what you can run both OS'es side by side. It should work perfectly.

[dawesdust_12]

Parallels or VMware Fusion. VMWare is the best choice I think.

[farcar]

You're saying that Macs are not overpriced because:
PC's you haffto deal with Windows
Then recommend that the OP runs Windows on his Mac.

Macs are not overpriced because:
the warranties are all different depending on which piece of hardware dies.Macs are not overpriced because:
PC's are ****ing uglyMacs are not overpriced because:
PC's are all loud as heck too.

:shrug:

Apart from being misguided, your counter arguement doesn't make any sense.

[mcintyrej]

Why does anyone buy a £60 pair of shoes when they can just buy a £5 from the market? Why do people spend £100,000 on a Ferrari, when they can get the same or better performance for £25,000.

The brand.

Lets stop this argument please, why can't people accept that some people choose to use Mac's, and some people choose to use windows? Your forever trying to pursuade each other that either is better.

The one that you use, is better for you.

[Sponge]

I run LFS on my MacBook and sometimes in an iMac (when i'm too lazy to go to my room to get my MacBook:shy:).

CrossOver Games for Mac runs LFS pretty good, although it somehow doesn't support any gameing hardware (wheel, gamepad etc.). So you'll have to do with keyboard and mouse.

Some games are 'officially supported', so those run best, but LFS does pretty well too (depending ofcourse on your mac's config.).

There's a company that uses cider to port software from pc to mac, big company's like EA already used it for 'Spore'. As Cider doesn't require to completely re-write the source code, I hope this will someday be used to make a OSX version of LFS as it's just a conversion, and not a complete rewrite.

I hope any of this awnsers the OP's question.

[Chrisuu01]

Il make this clear in this modern days the mac is stil graphicly supiroir to any windows.
This is becaus they are specificly build for the game makers the music makers the graphic designers.

And thats why games wich are ccompatible or macs most of the time run better smoother on macs.

[Becky Rose]

Il make this clear in this modern days the mac is stil graphicly supiroir to any windows.
This is becaus they are specificly build for the game makers the music makers the graphic designers.
The architectural advantage they once enjoyed was superceded back in the PPC days, with a lacklustre processor the fact that the graphics where technically more efficient was wasted anyway and nowadays Macs are pretty much the same as PC's with a few proprietry bits bolted on.

[dawesdust_12]

Sponge: Cider isn't even a rewrite or conversion. It's putting the LFS directory in an App bundle and modifying a plist file to tell it what to do.q

[Sponge]

Sponge: Cider isn't even a rewrite or conversion. It's putting the LFS directory in an App bundle and modifying a plist file to tell it what to do.q
Okay :) Didn't know that.. it was a few months ago since i last checked, so my memory is a bit foggy on the subject :razz:

[dawesdust_12]

I've never gotten it to work. It's tempting to maybe attempt to produce a good quality and unofficial App bundle for LFS but I dunno what Scawen/Eric/Vic's idea on that would be.

[theirishnoob]

I will not post in here as you all are flaming fanboys.

If you are just gonna post negative things, **** off. Be constructive and not criticize what you do not understand.

Irony thy name is dawesdust

[Jakg]

Il make this clear in this modern days the mac is stil graphicly supiroir to any windows.
This is becaus they are specificly build for the game makers the music makers the graphic designers.

And thats why games wich are ccompatible or macs most of the time run better smoother on macs.

What? Do you even understand what "specifically built" means?

An iMac uses a standard laptop GFX card which you can get in other laptops - it's in no way "specially designed"

[dawesdust_12]

Irony thy name is dawesdust

As you clearly demonstrate that you do not know the definition of irony.

[theirishnoob]

As you clearly demonstrate that you do not know the definition of irony.

or that you need to go to specsavers as you are too blind to see it ?


either way - Stbu.

[NSX_FReeDoM]

Ok

A Mac is like a riced up honda which is bought a an unbelievebly high price, BUT yeah the shitty upgrades are very cheap! weeeeheeeeee

Windows on the other hand is like a f*cking awesome car and that costs a little more but just awesomely overpowers the shitty rice honda.
have you even used a mac before?

[Tomasevich]

I run LFS on my imac in XP using bootcamp, and it runs really nicely. 1920x1200 on the 24in screen and with all the details up I get about 150fps.

Mind my asking the specs of your computer?

[Bose321]

PC's are loud and ugly? That's the most stupid thing I've heard.
My case is alot nicer then any Apple, and the airflow is 100x better.
+ It's silent. 3x 230MM fans. Don't even hear them, the 2 zalman coolers for the VGA's are also 100% silent.
So I don't know what kind of cheap fans case PC you used, but that's just bullshit.

And with Apple you can't say 'Let's put 2 HD4850's in it', can you?

(The noise thing was just me saying stuff I've found in any "Gaming" PC's is that they produce so much heat that they need to have massive setups of cooling to prevent them from overheating.)

Mines produces alot of heat, but mine isn't loud like I said. And it's almost as good as WC. Coolers have become alot better then 10 years ago!

[Sponge]

[...]
And with Apple you can't say 'Let's put 2 HD4850's in it', can you?
Well, actually, if you get a MacPro, you can put in 4 :)

Anyway, i think this thread should be closed. Nobody is ever going to agree on anything here, and i think the OP's question has been answered.

[Mango Juice]

LFS should run find in Parallels, VMWare Fusion, or VirtualBox...if not...just use Bootcamp.

[Michael Denham]

Mind my asking the specs of your computer?
2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB ram, ATI RadeonHD2600 256MB. That 150 fps is without any AA or anything, but with all the details in LFS on max. And it does drop down from that depending on number of cars in view. But I rarely get below 100.

[=MavericK=]

I run LFS on my imac in XP using bootcamp, and it runs really nicely. 1920x1200 on the 24in screen and with all the details up I get about 150fps.

How should I install bootcamp and LFS? Where i can find detailed explanation, and if that doesint exist, can you explain it to me?:)


Edit: I just saw that it doesnt work with hackintosh... will try parallels or VMware...



Or can someone explain to me how to get it worr with cider, because, explanation that I have is awfull :(

[Michael Denham]

Go into Applications, then Utilities, then open 'Boot Camp Assistant'. It's pretty straight forward from there if you have your windows CD. If you still need help, search on google, there is lots of advice.

[logitekg25]

might i add (i am a windows user all of my life) macs have EXCELENT ease of use!!! they are REALLY easy once you know the general way of things :D

i really like windows XP, but vista, come on...maybe they should merge and make a hybrid, a no virus getting, fast, graphic, easy to use (mac), everything compatable, good for gaming, and work (PC) :thumb:

[Jakg]

Mac's aren't magically immune from virus' (or bad grammar), and wtf is "graphic".

Everything is compatible because only one person makes it - good luck getting the crazy 3rd party shit people moan about Windows not working with (i.e. 10 year old scanners) working on a Mac.

[logitekg25]

Mac's aren't magically immune from virus' (or bad grammar), and wtf is "graphic".

Everything is compatible because only one person makes it - good luck getting the crazy 3rd party shit people moan about Windows not working with (i.e. 10 year old scanners) working on a Mac.

as in graphics, and macs pretty much dont get viruses...or atleast very rarely...and imagine the product they could work out!

[Jakg]

What do Mac's do amazingly with graphics?

Mac's dont get viruses because the target market is so small - why go after 6% of PC users when you could go after the 88% using Windows?

There have been Mac virus' as proof of concepts to show it's possible - it's just theres no real point.

[dawesdust_12]

Such an effective mac virus...

"PLEASE ENTER YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE PASSWORD!"...

If that popped up when I was opening something from the internet, I'd be awfully skeptical of putting it in without searching about that application.

These "Proof of Concepts" aren't very effective because of that.

[Jakg]

You place far to much faith in your users - while anyone with an IQ > 5 might not be fooled, people obviously click "yes i'm sure" to UAC when opening "coolpiclol.exe" from a spammed link sent from a friend on Messenger...

[dawesdust_12]

Yes, but it's a lot easier to go "YES, YES, YES, YES" then pound out a password like "orangepeels123" several times. Just because Windows needs stupid systems to prevent users from doing stuff, rather than having a proper privilege system like OSX where you have a sudo type action to elevate, rather than going "hai guiz, what do you wanna do and auto-highlight yes".

[Jakg]

You've obviously never met your average computer user.

[dawesdust_12]

That's fine, I don't care about everyone else.

I know what works for me, so **** everyone else :)

[LSDBlackWolf]

just look at yourselves...whining and flaming!
is this a forum or is this a some sort of mad kids playground?
grow up guys! :P

[Michael Denham]

It's a topic about Macs, and Dustin is involved, what do you expect? :P

[=MavericK=]

Get back to the topic theme!!!!

Bootcamp doesnt work because im Hackintosh user... however mvware and parallels arent good because they use too much resources from PC...


However, can anyone explain to me how to get it work via Cider. I dont understand that icon making and Control-C Control-V part in Cider tutorial which I got when downloaded it.. Any help about this?

[dawesdust_12]

Bootcamp is a fancy word for "dual booting". Learn to partition and have it bring up a bootloader (GRUB)

[G!NhO]

It seems like you have to be a rocket scientist to even use Mac and you have to be alien minded to even make any windows stuff work on it.

I'd rather have it easy, and not to load 100 things up just to play a freaking game. Ill stick ma dual bootz in y0 ass. :tilt:

[=MavericK=]

Bootcamp is a fancy word for "dual booting". Learn to partition and have it bring up a bootloader (GRUB)
Im bored to reboot over and over again....

[dawesdust_12]

It seems like you have to be a rocket scientist to even use Mac and you have to be alien minded to even make any windows stuff work on it.

I'd rather have it easy, and not to load 100 things up just to play a freaking game. Ill stick ma dual bootz in y0 ass. :tilt:


It's difficult because he's trying to do it an unsupported way. He is not using a Mac at all, he's using a PC running OSX. Installing Windows on a Mac is a 3 step process:
1) Run Boot Camp Assistant which is an idiotproof way to partition the OSX hard drive (and live resizes the active partition)
2) Insert your Windows CD/DVD and restart and follow normal Windows installation (EG hit yes a few times, enter a serial number, and run to the furthest Starbucks in your town or an adjacent town.)
3) Insert your OSX disk (in Windows), and hit (Install Windows Drivers in the Autorun part), and then a restart later and it's all working.

Compared to Windows, where you haffto go search for some Ethernet drivers without an internet connection, I'll take the Mac route any day.

Anyways - Maverick, you need to do a lot of learning, as you're using a Hackintosh PC, you need to learn how to install GRUB to your MBR, and then to install Windows.

Cider won't work, as it doesn't support creating a native window and it seems to be the first thing LFS does (and Cider is a fork of Wine, but then they took out a million features).

Crossover is your only option, and it doesn't produce bad results.

[Mrwei]

Wonderful...........:)

[Michael Denham]

It seems like you have to be a rocket scientist to even use Mac and you have to be alien minded to even make any windows stuff work on it.

I'd rather have it easy, and not to load 100 things up just to play a freaking game. Ill stick ma dual bootz in y0 ass. :tilt:
It's actually really really easy. I am crap with computer stuff and I get on much better with my Mac than my PC. And it took me about 5 minutes to figure out how to get windows installed on my mac. Then switching between XP and OSX is just a reboot which takes about a minute. A nice bonus is that my mac hasn't crashed once or got a single virus since I bought it close to 3 years ago. Actually, that's not true, I did get a virus on XP :P But I keep all my files on the OSX partition so I just removed XP and reinstalled it, then put LFS and iRacing back on XP and I'm good.

[dawesdust_12]

So MD, when are we gonna get iRacing/LFS going again, for some fun!

(After I get paid)

[yeager]

Apple rules, I was actually sat with a VP of software development at Apple today at their HQ and he was a very nice and smart man.

[=MavericK=]

It's difficult because he's trying to do it an unsupported way. He is not using a Mac at all, he's using a PC running OSX. Installing Windows on a Mac is a 3 step process:
1) Run Boot Camp Assistant which is an idiotproof way to partition the OSX hard drive (and live resizes the active partition)
2) Insert your Windows CD/DVD and restart and follow normal Windows installation (EG hit yes a few times, enter a serial number, and run to the furthest Starbucks in your town or an adjacent town.)
3) Insert your OSX disk (in Windows), and hit (Install Windows Drivers in the Autorun part), and then a restart later and it's all working.

Compared to Windows, where you haffto go search for some Ethernet drivers without an internet connection, I'll take the Mac route any day.

Anyways - Maverick, you need to do a lot of learning, as you're using a Hackintosh PC, you need to learn how to install GRUB to your MBR, and then to install Windows.

Cider won't work, as it doesn't support creating a native window and it seems to be the first thing LFS does (and Cider is a fork of Wine, but then they took out a million features).

Crossover is your only option, and it doesn't produce bad results.
Thanx but tried that, and it BCA doesnt starts, actualy i got an error which says that BootCamp only works with Mac or something like that(probably recognizes Motherboard). However I have another HDD with Win on it and anyway I have to reboot PC to get Win running, that is not the problem. I wanted to run LFS nativly on Mac with no need to reboot ;)

[dawesdust_12]

Yeah, because you're running a Hackintosh, BCA won't run at all.

I know you want to run LFS in OSX natively, but to be totally honest... It's not really the best way to run LFS. Sure it works.. kinda, but it's not really worth the effort to get it to work completely.

[logitekg25]

am i the only one here that only sees the word hack in hackintosh :shrug:

[=MavericK=]

am i the only one here that only sees the word hack in hackintosh :shrug:
why is that important?

[Jakg]

am i the only one here that only sees the word hack in hackintosh :shrug:

Thats intentional :facepalm:

[dawesdust_12]

http://www.dustindawes.com/facepalm.gif

I think we have a new winner in the "Dumbest post of the century" award.

[logitekg25]

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