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matze54564
9th June 2009, 16:02
Read this (http://www.liberty-cruise.com/), something is really true.

This website was today unavailable, therefore here a copy:

I. The first time
1. The beginnings of Lc. Why a new cruise ?

In early June 2008, i wanted to make destruction derby server opposing two teams with a UF1 to push in the enemy lines. In other words, a football match where crash would generate points.

In order to implement this system, I needed to create a insim program but most current API was available in C# (a programming language that i hate : too limited, too heavy and unstable) so I started to write mine in C/C++ what seemed to me most appropriate for this type of application.
My purpose was to make it complete and simple to use in order to distribute it under the GPL license for the benefit of other players, and maybe to work on with them.

I therefore begin to write what will become LiS during the development Lc. For the develop, i needed to try it on a context well known and who attract many players in order to adapt it better to the functioning of LFS. I therefore propose to the team Fc (FrenchCruise) to develop a Cruise program for them.

The development progressed very quickly and in less than some days, a very basic Cruise was functional and in less than a month i added much of functions available on main Cruise present on the LFS network.

Result of misunderstanding with the administration of the FC team (material and human) I opened the first Lc Server. It was a server that I was going to use for the development of the Cruise program that I used to improve quickly my program works in C/C++. It was not open the night, but I could already progress more quickly.

It began to please to some players and rather than to improve only certain functions of the system, I decided to add new thing to the cruise such as the jobs, improved management of rentals, etc. .. Players was playing with fun, was more numerous, and I could more easily test many point of the program works.

LFS was in full period of Boom with Cruise servers what was criticized a lot on the lfsforum. The critiques came mainly of people who rarely used these *Fun* mod and didn't understand the apparition of all these servers therefore but the reason was very simple. A rule that appear on many servers is the "ENGLISH ONLY" and it's a problem for a lot of people.

All LFS players are not English-speaking and sometimes they need to be helped but only one sentence or word that are not in English and you'r kicked or banned with these bad words that go with. All these new cruise servers were for most intended to different country in order to counter this problem and to allow no-English-speaking people to be able to have fun also on a cruise between two races.

About Lc, the goal was simple, no one objection on the used language, players were free to use their native language to discuss. Many thought that this freedom would create some disputes between players but it is the opposite that happen, there was less problem than on a classic server.
2. First threats

In July, the program advanced quietly, I continued to perfect my program as well as the Cruise mod by adding him some jobs and by improving the management of the Cops&Robber system. I have begin besides to institute a simple rule for the right to become a Cadet (as the beginning of TC) : a certain distance had to be done on the server to be able to be a Cadet.

A short time after, I saw the apparition of another server under the LibertyCruise name (newly open by the NEX team). I was surprise that the name comes back a second time but my server was not active during the night, it was possible that they didn't notice it and I was therefore ready to discuss with them about that (Lc was only a development server, it was not important for me).
But unfortunately, managers of the second Lc didn't come to open the dialogue but only to threaten me and to harass me. With this lack of maturity, I prefered to do not answer and I didn't change anything, they didn't deserve my intention after that.
Thereafter, I saw that the program that they used was OpenSource Cruise available on LfsForum and that didn't do any modification. What was less laudable for them following all their threats.

After this history, that extinct quietly by the disappearance of the NEX server (not enought visitor) I have begin to mention some rules on the development server.
3. Hate us and quickly! The reason is not important.

During the next weeks, other problems began to appear. Several insult and incitement to hate us appear on the LFSForum.
Difficult to understand their incentive at this moment. Everything that I saw was a group of players more and more bigger proliferating abuses and disagreeable remarks without giving reason or proofs.

Lc was open in the silence, I didn't bawl on forums that the server was present, is pretty, is necessary to come, etc... like most teams. It was simple, Lc is open, you'r interested, you come to take a look and if that pleases you, play with other players. I was not there to incite people to come and if something could displease them, the disconnection button was accessible.
And I didn't want to add any donations way. Lc was only a Fun project for LFS, he didn't go in the direction of a race simulator and make he completely free was necessary and normal.
In spite of that, it's a complete group of pressure who come against me. And they came to harass the different players on the server in order to make the chaos and thought unjust of being banned following that. And these banishments are going to make the center of their new propaganda against us.

I worked for numerous community of different games and for the first time, I was astonished to see that such group of bad behavior peoples are not mastered, punished but, contrary, they were encouraged without anything done again them. And I discovere while discussing with other team that these kind of problem appear often and that the harcellement, the incitements to hate and sometimes the acts of racism were noticed all the days and were a part of the LFS universe.

The best thing than we could do was not to not answer their insolence and to banned them for life in order that the project can be continued.
4. The DevCruise active ? Why not...

The development continued and I was centered henceforth on the cruise program. This one was pleasing to a lot of players and what had to be an ephemeral project became my main preoccupation.

Dedicated servers were lend me generously by other player permitting to open other server as well as demo servers.
Demo servers was a surprise for me because players bought the game in order to use cruise mod with more content thanks to the S2. Whereas it was more about of drifts mods in the past. (Thereafter, demo servers was closed, abuses that I had predicted with DemoLicenses was more exact that i thinked and the situation was unmanageable).

Thereafter, I have buy my own servers. Lc didn't become anymore a simple funny project but something that needed to be functional and active. At this moment, my works only carried on the Cruise and other projects were put in pause.
5. An another strange maturity

In beginning of August, I have add a new job. It was a remake of a DrugWorld type game where the goal is to buy and to sell merchandises. Here, in order to bring some humor, I chose to use drugs names also. The goal was simple, buy it to the best price and resell it to the best price in one of the 4 houses. (I specify that the drug was only portable).
To this moment, this system was in test and I expected some unfavorable opinion about merchandise names. One more time, I was open to the dialogue and ready to change names. But the same reaction occurred and the mental age of the members of the LFS community is not anymore to prove.
The same group of pressure came back and brought back many other people with them who don't have anything in relation with this history. All the commentaries were one more time insults, sometimes, racism and all was included quite by this ridiculous (and without proofs) incitement to hate against us.

Once again, with such commentaries, I didn't change anything. They didn't deserve my intention and I was not anxious to comfort them in their movement. (Fortunately, serious and well writted commentaries comes from CLC & LTC administration members what reassured me a little because I was happy to see that some serious people are present on LFS)
6. Live information tools. Ooooh gooofy !

Mid-August, I have begin to open a Web site in order to provide a forum to the players so that they can deposit their opinions but also reports. at this moment, it was the jackpot, players complained about others for everything and whatever, taking us for goats with hundreds of report to manage every day and the free access to Cadet's rights didn't straighten out the problem. 3/4 of LFS players lack common sense a lot or appear without respect for other peoples.

In spite of all this problems, the administration team of Lc try to keep calmness all servers of best that they were able to.
7. The ShutDown

End-September, Lc and several another LFS servers were attacked. At this moment I didn't worry and I had fun to see them doing idiots on Lc but they were sometimes abusive with other players.
Players accounts were safety but a short time after the first attacks, I discovered wich exploit it was.
It was a very old exploit that dated of more than 4 years and that I had the opportunity to discover myself 2 years ago.
It had been discovered a long time ago and the developer was informed but in spite of all this time, nothing had been corrected (and numerous "Update" was done during 4 years).
Besides, at this moment the development of LFS took a arcade evolution, the game began to disgust me a little. Somethings are still waited, somethings that should be unaltered are modified anyhow, nothing evolves in the common sense and exploits are not corrected. Without counting few exploits still usable with lfsworld...

The group of pressure from LFSForum, immature players, exploits, a game that ridicules itself each update... => I shutted down Lc during the October month.
II. We retry the adventure
1. The private server

During the February month 2009, Motard intended to revive the project. Other people was formerly on Fc, and were a part of the administration team of Lc, were ready to retry the adventure.
At this moment, I was not ready to re-undergo same problems but I had started several new functions last year that concern Cadets in order to reduce abuse between players.
Therefore, we began to open a private server under the PrivateGreen name without warning no one in order to be calm.
And we invited several person to follow the continuation of the new functions of the programs.
2. An automation of the game and automatic controls

The started, last year, works was an automation of the fines in order to limit the abuses while offering some possibilities to escape from it for players. The fines could not be defined arbitrarily, it had become more and more difficult for players to contravene rules.

Then, I activated the automatic controls, for every rule that would be contravened, the Cadet gets bad points, at a certain amount of point, he loses his rights.

It reduced immensely the abuses but a lot of Cadet continued to harass players. Thereafter, certain thing have being changed penalizing the Cadets every time.
3. The return to the public and tolerance zero

When the servers became again public, the rules were simple, the administrators and officers had to not have a mercy for one players posing some problems to others.
The list of banned people was, in the beginning, impressive as well as the list of the Cadets who lost their rights.

In spite of that, the no-respectful players were always present and continued to waste us a lot of time. Gradually, every officer and administrator have begin to make themselves rarer, of fatigue, as far as reaching a point of non return.
4. Non-respected improves and useless content

In the same way to the players, problems also came from LFS was began worse and worse each update.
I even been obliged to do some modifications on the executable of LFSdedi (by using olders version) to correct the problems partially from the newly connection list when a player has some difficulties to connect.

LFSDedi is still a toy, he always operates with an useless graphic interface that makes it heavier and less efficient and less convenient. He's still not available in multi-platform either (and it's not difficult to do).

Comes then the waiting on behalf of the developers who want one more time add useless content and bring to his death the game.

And there is that pushes me to do not more open a LFS server : eploits/hack. They are numerous, much are known but never corrected. They sometimes come from stupid/beginner mistake was not be countered/views, most of time, because of an useless overcharge in the functions of the game.

One more time, we realized that developers try more to add useless trifles and that are not in the interest of the game rather than to finish and to correct the previous work. ( 3 years and we'r still waiting )

I had the opportunity to discover and to note these exploits and a lot of them are still usable. They are informed and nothing is made because they prefered to add some *blingbling*.
5. In the "Miserable" kind

Even if this year the progress of Lc seems quiet (in relation to the last year), Even today I could mention many name and text from stupid or bad behavior peoples.
As the last year, these comments use the same way : the player doesn't know anything, criticizes, insults, and complain to have been punished because he *only* harassed another players.

LFS maybe work in this way but not us.
6. Lc dies definitely

A long time ago, what interested players to buy the game was his simulation, these races.
After some year, most people who bought LFS wanted to take advantage of his simulation to do some drift. Once again, it was these tracks, these cars, this reality that atttracted all peoples.

Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise and it's the consequence of the carelessness of the developers.

LFS is not anymore what he was. certain physical update returns it to Arcade and certain *balancing of strengths* made it unbalanceed. Exploits are still there, some are silly, and are never corrected until the day where all will go badly and there a small effort, as minimal either it will, be made but that will bring other problems.

We'r leaving LFS, leaving it to his funeral destiny and to all this players who has no respect for others, of this *suplol* generation that dominates it gradually. Several big group left for certain or all these reasons that I have stated above, and today, it is our time.
III. Doomed projects
1. Soccer

For this mod, the method that I make to detect a crash and a collisions functioned marvellously. Quite a lot of code had already been written and it remained to return it fairplay in order to reward at 100% the right players (the actual success rate was about 75%).

The calculation of points had been established and players were positioned automatically on the track. Everything operated with a S2 account to do the ball.

Only some details was to solve but the main was achieved.
2. Turismo

This project was prepared last year during the 2nd month of activity of Lc.

It is about taking the gameplay of GranTurismo and to adapt it on LFS.
All main big lines and technical details had been written and resolute, the Web site for the player interface had been begun with everything as GT : a card of a city with the different dealer and purchasable piece to inflate the power of your car.
The power and the weight of the car after every operation were displayed as well as the change on the choice of the tyres.

4 tournaments been foreseen :

* 1 each week
* 1 all the 2 weeks
* 1 each month
* and finally a last each 2 or 3 months

Results were displayed on the Website and a historic was available. All your PB were also recorded.

All had been prepared as licences that had to be pass thanks to a dedicated server. Only 1 month would be needed to Code all the program.
3. Cruise : Mini games

Some miniGames was ready to make their apparition on the cruise in order to give an opportunity to rich players to spend their money or to the other to win some easily if they win their bets.

The one that was in preparation was a poker game started by going to the OldPit and with which you could bet money.

Other was rather in preparation as a RPG game complex but feasible.
IV. When is it ?

I only summarized the situation of Lc and there are already many of line.
I didn't spread different insults and other means of propagation towards us and even less the names because it was not the goal.

Nevertheless, some team disappointed me a lot because I discovered quickly that they been implanted in these business of harassments but also that they showed evidence of an amateurism without limit whereas they took the liberty to criticize us in all senses.

The servers will be shutted down in about 1 month. A more precise date will be communicated shortly.

This time, all data will be deleted definitely. Players data, programs, source-codes.
it is not in our intention to retry this adventure.

The C/C++ api, you will have understood it, will never be distributed. I saw too much bad behavior peoples on the LFS community to be fixed about that. I don't work to have some insulte in return but for the friendship.
We will regret all the people who had fun with us in the respect of the other and in the friendship.
Farewell and good luck, while hoping that LFS didn't finish to the death as he's going actually.

The LibertyCruise team without the officer redman (banned recently)

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[LC] Liberty-Cruise is Back!!! (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=59374)
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1 (http://www.lfsworld.net/pubstat/live_progress.php?host=%5BLc%5DLibertyCruise+1)

S14 DRIFT
9th June 2009, 16:17
Uhh, okay?

Isn't this why you have a community forum?

LOL @ BELOW.

And I was trying be discreet! :tilt:

boothy
9th June 2009, 16:17
DILLIGAF (www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI)

jasonmatthews
9th June 2009, 16:21
dilligaf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxmukvrt0ii)

rofl

GreyBull [CHA]
9th June 2009, 16:32
LFS was in full period of Boom with Cruise servers what was criticized a lot on the lfsforum. The critiques came mainly of people who rarely used these *Fun* mod and didn't understand the apparition of all these servers therefore but the reason was very simple. A rule that appear on many servers is the "ENGLISH ONLY" and it's a problem for a lot of people.
All LFS players are not English-speaking and sometimes they need to be helped but only one sentence or word that are not in English and you'r kicked or banned with these bad words that go with. All these new cruise servers were for most intended to different country in order to counter this problem and to allow no-English-speaking people to be able to have fun also on a cruise between two races.

:ices_rofl

1. Soccer
For this mod, the method that I make to detect a crash and a collisions functioned marvellously. Quite a lot of code had already been written and it remained to return it fairplay in order to reward at 100% the right players (the actual success rate was about 75%).

The calculation of points had been established and players were positioned automatically on the track. Everything operated with a S2 account to do the ball.

Only some details was to solve but the main was achieved.

Hmm... This would have been fun actually. :(

chavm481
9th June 2009, 16:34
i think all cruise servers should be turned into track days or shut down because there's not much racing or drifting anymore :(

mcintyrej
9th June 2009, 16:36
i think all cruise servers should be turned into track days or shut down because there's not much racing or drifting anymore :(

Yes there is, there's loads of drifting, and at any time there are a good 6-10 populated racing servers with a variety of combos.

Jakg
9th June 2009, 16:37
DILLIGAF (www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI)
I never thought one single anagram could represent my thoughts to this news, but you have managed it good sir.

+1 internet.

hazaky
9th June 2009, 16:40
I knew that.

Ffs, i made 2000km in 2 days and now its closing. I had total of 6000km+. Seems like its pointless to spend time in cruise servers - because its just a waste of time. Omfg :sadbanana

TurboBlaster
9th June 2009, 16:53
Cruise Servers? I hate them. The people are unfriendly and the Admins kick your ass.

SoloNijN
9th June 2009, 16:56
What a shame... i never understood what and how you could do everything on those servers... but still

aurele
9th June 2009, 16:58
:(

Robbo01
9th June 2009, 17:01
hmm i can't really be botherd to read all of that website so can someone just tell me why its closing?

swisscosmo
9th June 2009, 17:05
why does it happen to me when i get good in a server they always quit.

JO53PHS
9th June 2009, 17:06
hmm i can't really be botherd to read all of that website so can someone just tell me why its closing?


A combination of people hating them and the devs not catering their work to the needs of cruisers, because apparently, "The cruise, and yes, nothing else" is the reason why people by LFS :shrug:

At least from what of it I bothered to read

I see it as a metaphor for "GIVE US SCIROCCO!1!1!1" and "DON'T FL4ME CR00ZERZ"

J@tko
9th June 2009, 18:00
A combination of people hating them
Oh the IRONY :rolleyes:

Remind me, what did your old sig say?? :D

And that really sucks tbh, I was only 10,000 off an FXR :(

JO53PHS
9th June 2009, 18:03
And that really sucks tbh, I was only 10,000 off an FXR :(

I have no sympathy.

J@tko
9th June 2009, 18:05
I have no sympathy.
Only because I didn't help you with your damn physics :razz:

JO53PHS
9th June 2009, 18:10
Regardless of that, I still have no sympathy.

I found this (http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file23331.pdf) little piece of epic win anyway :shrug:

5haz
9th June 2009, 18:15
Sorry, but, who are LC? :p

S14 DRIFT
9th June 2009, 18:16
Liberty Cruise or something..

Gil07
9th June 2009, 18:20
DILLIGAF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI)

Everything has been said, close thread pls :D

ThrottleBody
9th June 2009, 18:25
finally its closed. it sucked.

DoC_uk
9th June 2009, 18:34
I knew that.

Ffs, i made 2000km in 2 days and now its closing. I had total of 6000km+. Seems like its pointless to spend time in cruise servers - because its just a waste of time. Omfg :sadbanana


Well hopefully you are now cured , and will contine on to a racing carear :thumb:

Thank god this happened in time !

RasmusL
9th June 2009, 20:07
Maybe people will get back to racing now.. Oh wait, there's 5 more cruise servers to be dealt with :shrug:

bunder9999
9th June 2009, 20:44
Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise and it's the consequence of the carelessness of the developers.

oh please... :rolleyes:

Furiously-Fast
9th June 2009, 20:52
Oh boy... there is one Cruise server dead.

Oh lookie, there are already more servers out there for cruisers! Looks like we ain't gonna have to opt for racing now. :D

Danny LFS
9th June 2009, 21:08
Bye bye, Liberty Cruise! *puts "RIP [Lc] back on his numberplate*

Bmxtwins
9th June 2009, 21:26
why does it happen to me when i get good in a server they always quit.

Diddo swiss. I just got FXR and 3k km... and had some close friends who were members (kim, dave and few tohers, efsa)

Any ways my server
[LLM]TeamServer
currently has acruise insim and the lyt is still being built feel free to check it out

RacerAsh3
9th June 2009, 21:37
I really do lol at alot of you 'cruise haters', alot of these comments are completely pathetic to say the least....

Just because we do something different to others, doesnt give you a valid reason to hurl abuse, we still count as members of the LFS Community.

JohnPenn
9th June 2009, 21:42
I don't Know LC and posting this here was probably a mistake, but the reply's that followed are very telling of where were at after 6 years of LFS.

jonnyv29
9th June 2009, 22:45
Cruise Servers? I hate them. The people are unfriendly and the Admins kick your ass.

Admins only "kick your ass" if your to damn stuck up to actually take note of crusie server rules.

hmm i can't really be botherd to read all of that website so can someone just tell me why its closing?

Pure ignorance.


What's wrong with cruise servers...we have all paid the same £24 to buy LFS S2, and we all have as much fun out of it as you do. Just because we have a different interest to you, and you are too ignorant and short sighted to see that, doesn't mean that we should have our servers "shut down". Also, just because we choose to cruise, how does that make us worse drivers....? Not all skill is proved by speed.

Are racers so stuck up that you cannot just let us have our own fun, in our own way? If you don't like cruising, then don't come on cruise servers. The reason admins "kick your ass" is probably because they have seen enough racers who come on and abuse them and their server tbh.

CobraDrifter
9th June 2009, 23:12
Even if you hate cruise server,try to read the whole thing because some thing are really true in that story(and not cruise related only).Also,take a look at the project he was doing..some of them were awesome.

Oh yeah,since LC started again,we could already buy the VWS....looks like no one will ever drive it on LC :(

5haz
9th June 2009, 23:21
I really do lol at alot of you 'cruise haters', alot of these comments are completely pathetic to say the least....

Just because we do something different to others, doesnt give you a valid reason to hurl abuse, we still count as members of the LFS Community.

Grow some bloody skin.

And yeah my experience of cruise servers is that everything is taken far too seriously, I know its bad to make sweeping generalisations, but it really is the same for every cruise server I've been on.

Do these 'cops' feel oppressed/bullied in real life, and feel the need to exersice draconian authority over people via the relative secuirity of the virtual world?

who're writing here to make their E-penis bigger, with telling that cruisers shouldnt play this game.

Har har, by the looks of things the stuff I'm writing isn't going to make me any more popular, hardly E-penis enlarging.

And I didn't even make any references to nazis!

Nobody92
9th June 2009, 23:23
Cruise Servers? I hate them. The people are unfriendly and the Admins kick your ass.

Looks like that you didnt tried correct servers then, or do admins have a good reason/s to "kick your ass".

Anyway, i am a cruiser myself also and i certainly will not lose even single minute of my life, for trying to understand why some of you are sucha cruise haters. If you dont like it, take a few deep breaths before trying to write post full of flaming or post where you're trying to tell that cruisers doesnt have a right to use their LFS license as they want to.
Anyway, shame that LC closed becouse of cruise haters (or whatever was the reason, i cant be bothered with reading all this stuff for nothing, i just saw post where JO53PHS shortly told what was the reason). They needed to run even more servers, that they shown, that they dont care about people, who're writing here to make their E-penis bigger, with telling that cruisers shouldnt play this game.

/me hides under his bed in expecting of being flamed:bananadea .

Anyway, regards from a cruiser Nobody :thumb: .

5haz
9th June 2009, 23:34
Nobody has said that people who frequent cruise servers should not have a license, what people have said is that the admins/cops on cruise servers are incredibly strict and seem to take the whole business so seriously, beyond the point of having fun, as if they are the big sherriff of LFS land. The way they talk to new members who don't know the ropes sometimes makes me chuckle, therefore cruise servers apear to have an unfriendly atmosphere, I'm sure its not the same if you're 'in with the crowd'.

At this point in this post most people would make an accusations of you lot being 'fanboys', I wont however because the word annoys me to me back teeth, regardless of who it's used against.

Nobody92
9th June 2009, 23:51
Nobody has said that people who frequent cruise ...what people have said is that the admins/cops on cruise servers are incredibly strict and seem to take the whole business so seriously, beyond the point of having fun, as if they are the big sherriff of LFS land. The way they talk to new members who don't know the ropes sometimes makes me chuckle, therefore cruise servers apear to have an unfriendly atmosphere, I'm sure its not the same if you're 'in with the crowd'.

Well, i have to say that i dont know about what are you talking... I am playing on a [TC] servers from when i got a license (and now it's quite a lot of time from when i got it) and i have to say that i didnt saw anyone with having bad attitude or being disrespectful, without taking an consequence.
If you think that people/admins are too serious, when someone comes online and start with swearing, having an bad attitude and trying to be a king, becouse he's maybe a racer or whatever, you're wrong. I dont know a person who would like to read swearing and flaming all over the chat all the time. Specialy "younger" players, who dont need to learn those "beautiful" words from a game.
Otherwise, if you think about chases being intiated for breaking a "law" or taking an consequence after causing a several crashes or whatever, that's what cruise/cops'n'robbers server is. If you came there, that you will cry after being fined for breaking a "law" and if that's why you think that people/cops/admins/whatever are harsh, cruising is not for you.
I already saw someone trying to tell me, after he was chased, that he's just trying to relax and that we all "cops" are stupid, becouse we dont understand what a fun is. But hey, get yourself to the racing server then... If you connected to the cruising/cops'n'robbers server, you probably know what you're coming in.

S14 DRIFT
10th June 2009, 00:12
Nobody has said that people who frequent cruise servers should not have a license, what people have said is that the admins/cops on cruise servers are incredibly strict and seem to take the whole business so seriously, beyond the point of having fun, as if they are the big sherriff of LFS land. The way they talk to new members who don't know the ropes sometimes makes me chuckle, therefore cruise servers apear to have an unfriendly atmosphere, I'm sure its not the same if you're 'in with the crowd'.

At this point in this post most people would make an accusations of you lot being 'fanboys', I wont however because the word annoys me to me back teeth, regardless of who it's used against.

Yup, I would occasionally go on LTC and CLC a few years back and found that to be the exact problem. It's without saying I never really bothered with them since.

5haz
10th June 2009, 00:29
Well, i have to say that i dont know about what are you talking...I am playing on a [TC] servers from when i got a license (and now it's quite a lot of time from when i got it) and i have to say that i didnt saw anyone with having bad attitude or being disrespectful, without taking an consequence.
If you think that people/admins are too serious, when someone comes online and start with swearing, having an bad attitude and trying to be a king, becouse he's maybe a racer or whatever, you're wrong. I dont know a person who would like to read swearing and flaming all over the chat all the time. Specialy "younger" players, who dont need to learn those "beautiful" words from a game.

Ironic that you are complaining about people 'stereotyping' cruisers, yet using stereotypes about racers...

and kings.

Do not use my online racing behavior as an example for everyone other 'racer' boiiis. :tilt:

Otherwise, if you think about chases being intiated for breaking a "law" or taking an consequence after causing a several crashes or whatever, that's what cruise/cops'n'robbers server is. If you came there, that you will cry after being fined for breaking a "law" and if that's why you think that people/cops/admins/whatever are harsh,

Well, after a while on a cruiser server, breaking the law becomes the only fun to be had, especially if it invovles a car chase around pit garages in a UF1 until the cops get bored/lose and just ban you anyway (not very sporting!).

It just makes me laugh when someone new comes on a server and within a few minutes a cop is typing to them in multi coloured caps (colourful language in a literal sense eh?), threatening them with a ban for following a car 1 metre too closely (the last time I went on a cruise server, a cop actually brake tested me, causing an accident because I was 'following too closely', to be honest it was his fault for driving too bloody slow).

Cops seem to be seriously devoid of a sense of humour too, any teasing can result in a serious ban, this is on most servers. Paranoia, insecurity perhaps? [/armchair psycologist]

cruising is not for you.

Yeah, is there a problem sir?

I already saw someone trying to tell me, after he was chased, that he's just trying to relax and that we all "cops" are stupid, becouse we dont understand what a fun is. But hey, get yourself to the racing server then... If you connected to the cruising/cops'n'robbers server, you probably know what you're coming in.

Yeah I think you're right, perhaps we should leave cruise servers to those who feel the need to satisfy their megalomaniac urges and feel the need to talk down to people from atop their high horses.

I am not saying that anyone who cruises does not deserve a license, I'm just saying that they're a bloomin odd lot sometimes.

Jakg
10th June 2009, 07:12
[LLM]TeamServer
currently has acruise insim and the lyt is still being built feel free to check it outOh god here we go again.

I have to ask what posses you to make ANOTHER server? There are already other servers doing the exact same thing as your doing :X

It just seems lie everyone wants to be the big showoff with infinite money and all the cars :/Even if you hate cruise server,try to read the whole thing because some thing are really true in that storyI don't think theres a single part of that statement in the OP that I agree with...

It started off to make a football match - which has already been done in LFS using InSim.

English only on most servers, and getting banned if you don't follow this - Actually only seen this on one or two servers, and as the largest amount of LFS players are German i'd say he's yet again talking shit.

The fact that LFS Forum members are immature because they complained the resale of drugs was part of a cruise mod for a RACING GAME - no explanation needed.

"Besides, at this moment the development of LFS took a arcade evolution" - ?

And then finally, the cherry on top:

"Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise and it's the consequence of the carelessness of the developers."




If you don't like the attitude on the forums - don't come here. It's a place for, well, discussion - if thats not what you want don't come here and read.

I still don't actually understand why LFS needed yet *another* cruise server, anyway...

Vykos69
10th June 2009, 07:33
sounds a lot like some cheese is missing here.... for all that whining ;)

pipa
10th June 2009, 08:18
Nobody has said that people who frequent cruise servers should not have a license, what people have said is that the admins/cops on cruise servers are incredibly strict and seem to take the whole business so seriously, beyond the point of having fun, as if they are the big sherriff of LFS land. The way they talk to new members who don't know the ropes sometimes makes me chuckle, therefore cruise servers apear to have an unfriendly atmosphere, I'm sure its not the same if you're 'in with the crowd'.

At this point in this post most people would make an accusations of you lot being 'fanboys', I wont however because the word annoys me to me back teeth, regardless of who it's used against.

What wonders me is how you are able to know that? You tell us you hate cruise servers and barely visit them, but you make accusations without a proper explanation or proof of it.

lizardfolk
10th June 2009, 08:22
"Besides, at this moment the development of LFS took a arcade evolution" - ?


I agree...what the hell was that? An arcade evolution? :really:

G!NhO
10th June 2009, 08:33
why does it happen to me when i get good in a server they always quit.

LC a good server?

Nobody92
10th June 2009, 08:52
Ironic that you are complaining about people 'stereotyping' cruisers, yet using stereotypes about racers...

and kings.

Do not use my online racing behavior as an example for everyone other 'racer' boiiis. :tilt:

Well, if someone came to the cruising server, just to flame people becouse he's a "racer", nobody will listen him probably. I already saw one or two cases like that. Just becouse some people are playing on the cruise/cops'n'robbers server, it doesnt mean that they cant race. There's a lot of drivers with great driving skills there.

Well, after a while on a cruiser server, breaking the law becomes the only fun to be had, especially if it invovles a car chase around pit garages in a UF1 until the cops get bored/lose and just ban you anyway (not very sporting!).

Well, if you're weaving in and out of the pit garage, you're breaking the server rule. At least on the server where i am playing. Becouse of simple reason... Would you like to exit pit garage thinking that you will do a nice cruise and then get hitted from nowhere by "robber" or/and "cop"? You will probably sey "yes" now, but most of people wouldnt like to, that's why it's in a well explained and detailed server rules. And even there's quite a few warnings procced before you get ban for it.
Anyway, if you got banned becouse cop couldnt chase you, you was playing on the bad server. If i saw single admin abusing his/her rights on any server, i left it imidietly, no matter if it's a racing or cruising server.
Please, dont tell us that it's same on all cruise servers, becouse it's not, belive me.

It just makes me laugh when someone new comes on a server and within a few minutes a cop is typing to them in multi coloured caps (colourful language in a literal sense eh?), threatening them with a ban for following a car 1 metre too closely (the last time I went on a cruise server, a cop actually brake tested me, causing an accident because I was 'following too closely', to be honest it was his fault for driving too bloody slow).

I'd say same as i said one quote up. If you was banned for tailgating, you probably needed to ignore quite a few warnings to stop before or you was on the bad server where abusers are dominating.

Cops seem to be seriously devoid of a sense of humour too, any teasing can result in a serious ban, this is on most servers. Paranoia, insecurity perhaps? [/armchair psycologist]

Depends on a server again :) . I am playing on the [TC] most of time and i plaid on LC and LTC very few times only, so i have to say that i dont know about what sense of humour are you talking.
From what i know, you wont get banned for your sense of humour unless it's rasistic or offensive to others. And even there you was probably warned to stop, before getting a ban.

Yeah, is there a problem sir?

No.

I just want to tell, that you're probably "hating" cruise/cop'n'robbers servers becouse of bad experience with bad admins involved, but that's not good reason.

mookie427
10th June 2009, 08:58
ITT: Butthurt cruiserfags try and defend themselves against the masses

/thread

CLRS530
10th June 2009, 09:15
OMG If one of you guys answering those stupid shit had read this document... I am absolutely not involved in anything with Cruise and never was on one of this servers but it ashamed me to read many posts the last year and now I am REALLY disappointed of the stupidness of many people here.
What the hell does it concern to you if many people drive on cruise mod servers in your beloved LFS super realistic racing game. It should be valueless for all minimum intelligent persons.

I know this post isn't friendly and I don't care about your opinion I think it's understandable why this makes my aggressive.

TurboBlaster
10th June 2009, 09:22
Admins only "kick your ass" if your to damn stuck up to actually take note of crusie server rules.





Or if I want to discuss a fine. Then the cops shout: "Pay or the admin will fine you 1000 €." :x

Ales_M
10th June 2009, 09:49
I had real good laugh reading what xerxes writed on their site, like drivers and developers are to blame that he is closing server lol. The only reason lc is closing is that lc crew is bunch of noobs who cant hanlde pressure. It happened before and now it happened again. And xerxes pls dont reopen it in 6 months...

RaceUK
10th June 2009, 10:03
Well, after a while on a cruiser server, breaking the law becomes the only fun to be had, especially if it invovles a car chase around pit garages in a UF1 until the cops get bored/lose and just ban you anyway (not very sporting!).


I don't know of any cruise server that allows the cops to "ban" users.


Cops seem to be seriously devoid of a sense of humour too, any teasing can result in a serious ban, this is on most servers. Paranoia, insecurity perhaps? [/armchair psycologist]


A lot of COP's on cruise serverd , have a sense of humor failure and are very .... greedy.. "Pay or Ban" is usually the average attitude


Also from what i have heard, [Lc] is closing down due to Inactive Admins and Management.

5haz
10th June 2009, 11:43
What wonders me is how you are able to know that? You tell us you hate cruise servers and barely visit them, but you make accusations without a proper explanation or proof of it.

I have visisted them long enough to know these things, which is about uhm... five minutes. :scratchch

I never said that I hated cruise servers either, I said that I found them very silly and unfriendly, I did not use the word hate.

Why this "omg haterzz" obsession now? Evereyone does it, the slightest bit of criticism and they start crying out "omg haterz" as if hating something is always a bad thing. I've noticed a lot of rappers do it too. If you can't take criticism of something you like/ are involved in, then you should hide in the corner of a darkened room until you grow some bloody skin and begin to think of some proper arguments.

A lot of COP's on cruise serverd , have a sense of humor failure and are very .... greedy.. "Pay or Ban" is usually the average attitude

Err yeah, they talk to you as if its real money.

rockclan
10th June 2009, 11:58
OH MAI GAWD!

NOT LC :(:(:(:(:(:(:(

Was my favorite place to hang out :(

WAAAAAIIIIIIII

Tukko
10th June 2009, 13:01
DILLIGAF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI)

ROFL :D

Cruising is like being a gay.. I don't really mind if you guys are ****ing each others arse but could you please keep that to yourself. :shrug:

check this out --> http://www.lfs.net/?page=whatislfs and you'll find out what LFS really is... yup, it's online racing simulation. And no, I'm not trying to flame or anything, just said my opinion here ( as anyone really cares about it :) )

+1 for closing cruise servers, maybe we'll get more people racing.

Amynue
10th June 2009, 13:41
I have to ask what posses you to make ANOTHER server? There are already other servers doing the exact same thing as your doing :XHow to get all cars and unlimited cash at a cruise server?
Make your own!
lol

ROFL

Cruising is like being a gay.. I don't really mind if you guys are ****ing each others arse but could you please keep that to yourself.

check this out --> http://www.lfs.net/?page=whatislfs and you'll find out what LFS really is... yup, it's online racing simulation. And no, I'm not trying to flame or anything, just said my opinion here ( as anyone really cares about it )

+1 for closing cruise servers, maybe we'll get more people racing.Strange you are.

MariusMM
10th June 2009, 14:00
/me really wonders if he got time to start work/update/tweak the open source cruise insim, and release. So hopefully there will be TONS of new cruise servers! Just to piss you moaners off. Haha, that would be an epic win. :D

oldnavy
10th June 2009, 14:15
True lfs player should:
1st:Hate cruise servers
2nd:Miss CTRA



Sorry thats my opinion :thumb:

TexasLTU
10th June 2009, 14:18
:really:

5haz
10th June 2009, 14:18
People think in black and white, they think you either have to be either a 'hater' or a 'fanboy'.

It dosen't quite work like that.

Just to piss you moaners off. Haha, that would be an epic win.

Nah, that would actually be quite sad on your part.

Byku
10th June 2009, 14:44
Guys, guys, guys... remember one thing! Some of You want to get rid of cruise server, isn't it a little bit selfish(You don't like it, but other people like it!)? I mean, cruising, drifting, racing(and destruction derby, drag racing etc etc etc), all of them are advantages to LFS. Drifting thanks to great physics, and cruising thanks to great insim. Getting rid of cruising is like getting rid of potential customers! Remember, that some of those cruisers are not always on cruise servers! Some of them might go racing from time to time, but getting rid of cruise servers will get rid of those people! Yeah sure... LFS is a "racing sim"... but getting rid of cruise servers won't help that(much :D). It will make some people leave LFS(for which cruising is one of the most important factor of LFS), and for the future potential cruisers(=customers) LFS will loose all it's appeal(which in the future might change to pure racing :scratchch). Although i have to agree that sometimes i am terrified that the most populated servers are cruise servers... i have to remember that some of those people also enjoy racing from time to time. Oh and If some of You think that racing is dead, join a league! There are plently of racing in the evening in the private servers! Btw. I have some friends to whom i've shown LFS. They were rather bad in racing(no experience), but they considered cruising factor a really interesting idea! What's more, they would be able to learn to race online, without destroying other's people races.

Oh and personally i will miss LC :p, i was a cadet there :D. I wasn't playing there much, but it was fun from time to time to relax and just.. chase other people :p.

DeadWolfBones
10th June 2009, 15:03
I don't give a crap about cruising one way or another, but that article is so full of sour grapes bullshit that this thread deserves all the negative comments it's gotten.

"Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise"

Uhh?

"the development of LFS took a arcade evolution"

Uhh?

So you chose to dabble in a LFS "genre" that attracts the immature and trollish element of the game's community, and now you're bitching that that same element made you shut down? Wow, didn't see that coming.

broken
10th June 2009, 15:24
Ok, there are dumb admins on cruise servers, yes, but where do dumb admins miss? In race servers? Or maybe in drift? It's not about the type of the server. It's about the type of admin. Just because you own a server doesn't mean that you're holding God's mackintosh but some people act like they rule the world just because they can get the ban stick out and start weaving it with pride threatening everyone that's faster(or better in some matter) than them.

It's not cruising, it's not racing, it's not dragging. It's the people that are members/admins in this server. All on all - the people with a bit more privileges.

Also what I heard that xerxes is blaming lfs devs about the closing of Lc... I think that's wrong too. Devs are not responsible about people's behaviour(I mean people that are crashing/insulting/swearing at other people).

Personally I cruise and go very rarely in race/drag/drift servers because of my slow PC. Whenever I drive near 2-3 more people my fps drops. If it's more than 2 people it's hardly even drivable. I'm actually even happy on fps of 30 which is also the average I get(while I see other people whining when they get >40fps). On race servers there are close fights with many people and when there are more than 7-8 people near me my fps drops below 5 and => I crash in someone or in a fence, it was kinda funny first, but it got annoying afterwards. :D

If you think more you will find out that some people have reasons to drive in cruise servers. And others just like only this side of LFS in which personally I find absolutely nothing wrong about it. I guess that people that like only the racing side of the game sometimes whine because other mods(drift/cruise/w.e more there is) are taking the attention away from racing. BTW: In all sides of LFS there are cool people as much as there are... let's just call them 'not so cool' people.

Soo imo if someone hates cruising/racing/drifting/w.e or just the people that play the game that way should really keep it for himself.

If you let me explain it this way: LFS is one passenger-ship. Some of the people work to make it run(lfs devs, insim devs, server hosts, etc..) and others are having fun for the money they gave to get on the ship. It would be really bad if on this ship someone starts one of the 'forbidden' topics(like wealth of a person.. or what is a person's wife doing atm when he's on the ship.. you know.. the kind of topics that end up with a big bang). Saving some of the words for yourself would really be a big good deed as you know how flames spread. One person says something... other replies... they fight... others come and take their own positions too and there we are with a burning and sinking ship in the middle of the sea, just because one person felt cold and wanted to warm up.

I guess that the OP doesn't know what a thread about closing server can do or maybe he just felt cold. Both ways it started out as a joke from the 1st few posts and ended in a serious convo about lfs types(AGAIN).

Also I want to say that racers are kind of advertising Lc when posting in here, because this thread is or was in the top place, like of course was expected to happen.

BTW: If you did read the whole post and didn't have time to reply then I did what I wanted to do. If you just leave this thread it will die like the similar ones. IMO such threads should be deleted right after they have been made but oh well, moderators have their own life's too so it's pretty much in our hands to keep the conversation in this forum clean.

Let me just say it again: It's not cruising or racing that's stupid, it's not drifting or dragging, it's not LFS or the forum! It's the people that don't know how to behave. I'm not saying that you have to be perfect, but just to find the bounds and try not to cross them.

So now please stop making posts saying racers/cruisers/drifters or w/e suck but go and play in your favorite server with the people that like to be there too. ;)

If you agree with my post then please don't reply but just let this thread die.

MariusMM
10th June 2009, 15:51
People think in black and white, they think you either have to be either a 'hater' or a 'fanboy'.

It dosen't quite work like that.



Nah, that would actually be quite sad on your part.


Nah, I'd love it! :D

5haz
10th June 2009, 17:17
Nah I think that rather went over your head.

Equinox
10th June 2009, 18:37
Hold on tight lads, big post incoming!

Around a year ago I purchased a wonderful simulator I played a lot as demo called "Live for Speed" Bloody great I thought. New tracks, new cars and a G25 I'd brought as well. So I set out & joined numerous racing servers. Had a right blast!

But then I saw a place called "CityLifeCrew". Funny name for a server I thought so I took a look. I saw a money counter, I saw a mileage counter; I saw barriers and signs and GASP cars driving in different directions! So I continued to visit this place, and became marvelled at a DRIVING simulator that had some pretty damn decent physics.

Have you ever downloaded one of those 2D style driving instructor programs? Well I'd like to learn to drive (I'm 17 in November) but with those programs I didn't feel at all connected with the car. But with LFS I could use the shifter; I could learn the consequences of forgetting to clutch or hitting the wrong gear. I could get used to both the general styles of FW/RW/AWD (obviously this is going to be a lot different to a real car, but It can help!) I could also practise overtaking, junction manners & speed control (when you get to know the right people, many will help you out!)

So yes, I brought LFS with the intent of using it as a DRIVING simulator, I race, I cruise. LFS has a multitude of possibilities.

Another example was Crysis. I brought it with the intent to go PEW PEW PEW BANG BANG BANG throughout the SP/MP modes. Now it’s primarily used a scenery creator/screenshot generator. Everything has its possibilities.

So come on, cease the arguments & let’s understand each others perspectives. "Racers" like to fight for positions, go bumper to bumper into corners whilst "cruisers" like to imitate a small network using barriers & signs, relaxing whist not having to worry about positions etc. & "cruisers" just go WEEEEEEEEEEE round a corner in a fury of smoke and revs :thumb:

I'll grab a coffee now, continue whatever it was you were doing :)

Jakg
10th June 2009, 18:47
If you think LFS is gonna help you pass your test your in for a big shock, unfortunately.

No sim, no matter how realistic, gets the nuances of driving a real car in traffic.

Mille Sabords
10th June 2009, 18:53
Die, thread. Bad thread.
RIP (hopefully)

Rascar13
10th June 2009, 19:34
Nah, I'd love it! :DYeah it would be pretty fun :razz: Because i find it stupid how much some (or many) racers are against cruising, as we are allowed to use our bought license for what we like without getting flamed :bananadea :really:
Now im off before more racers starts to say things..... :dogrun:

EDIT: Equinox's post is a good one between all the other "bad" ones, or what you will call them.

S14 DRIFT
10th June 2009, 19:39
If you think LFS is gonna help you pass your test your in for a big shock, unfortunately.

No sim, no matter how realistic, gets the nuances of driving a real car in traffic.

It can help you learn about clutch and the effects of too much power in a RWD car and the like, granted it's still a "game" but I'd bet that someone who was very good with a full manual G25 would have a better understanding of car control than someone who hasn't. :D

(assuming both people had never driven a real car before)

Jakg
10th June 2009, 19:42
It can help you learn about clutch
...no it won't.

A G25 is closer than using a toaster to drive a car in-game, but if you compare the shifter (and it's relative position) to a real car - it's not the same. The pedals are the wrong way round, the feel of the clutch is wrong (as is the total linear effect in most games) and the wheel is way to small.


Yes, LFS will give you over-the-limit car control, but I can't remember being asked to drift around the roundabout in my test...

S14 DRIFT
10th June 2009, 19:43
The pedals are the wrong way

Nothing against the other points (it's all dependant I guess on the layout you have etc etc) but I'm confused by this.. :confused::confused::confused:

Jakg
10th June 2009, 19:46
The pedals in my car hinge from the top - the pedals on my wheel hinge from the bottom. IRL I push the pedal back (they don't actually rotate much), whereas with my wheel the pedal goes round as it rotates much more.

Again this is very weird when I tried my wheel out for the first time in months after driving nothing but real cars - the pedals are A. Too close, and the pedals seem to move the wrong way.

5haz
10th June 2009, 19:48
Turn your wheel pedals upside down then. :tilt:

In some ways (with regards to racing more than road driving), its actually perhaps a little bit easier in real life, because in LFS, when the back end steps out you only feel this through the wheel and seeing the car begin to slide on screen, while in real life you can feel the whole car beginning to rotate to through your seat, when you first feel it it feels really wierd, but after a while it makes things a lot easier, great fun getting the back end out out of hairpins in the wet, I wish I had the money to go racing again.

S14 DRIFT
10th June 2009, 19:49
Ahhh, I see now. :D

If you have floor mounted pedals (racing cars, super cars or some silly little kit car creations), but hey.

It's like the pedal is mounted on a thing which in turn is mounted on another thing, I know what you mean. :D

Jakg
10th June 2009, 19:50
Turn your wheel pedals upside down then. :tilt:Whenever I try to race (which has been ages I will admit) i keep wanting to do this but my desk really isn't made for it...

5haz
10th June 2009, 19:54
Yeah but you're right about the pedals, unless you have one of those really expensive hydraulic adjustable pedal sets, then racing wheel pedals just feel dead, on a real car each pedal has its own unique feel, the throttle on a real car is very sensetive compared to on a racing wheel (this Is why I used to spin so much at first), the feel of the brakes change as they heat up, and the clutch can change too, (especially if the cable falls off completely, in which case the pedal dissapears!). :)

Jakg
10th June 2009, 19:56
I don't get any feedback from the pedals in my car (because it's cheap and shit) - but the feel of the pedal (i.e. the varying springyness of the clutch) does make driving feel a little "dead".

5haz
10th June 2009, 20:15
Well yeah thats probrably because you drive a modern ish road car which is meant to be comfortable, whereas all the cars I've ever driven were thrown together in a chicken shed and have bits rattling off them. :p

Kid222
10th June 2009, 20:23
"Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise"

Uhh?

"the development of LFS took a arcade evolution"

Uhh?

I felt the same, when i was reading this (add a quite lot of a laughter).

Truth is, that cruise servers have attracted (and probably are attracting) A LOT of people. When i accidentally turned off my cruise filter few days ago, i saw 4 or 5 fully packed cruise servers and my jaw basically dropped to hell. On the other hand, those are mostly just nublets driving 'round, pissing off cops (admins) and doing some silly jobs.
I spent there lot of time year ago, i have no bad experience with anyone, so i am not against particular people, but this way of LFS-ing is just silly. Ask Monty Python guys. They will tell you.

/rant

DevilDare
10th June 2009, 20:51
My God.... A cruise server closed....

'Tis the end of LFS then..... :(

Joris
10th June 2009, 21:01
The pedals in my car hinge from the top - the pedals on my wheel hinge from the bottom. IRL I push the pedal back (they don't actually rotate much), whereas with my wheel the pedal goes round as it rotates much more.

Some vans, like a VW LT, have pedals that hinge from the bottom. :thumb:

Jakg
10th June 2009, 21:02
Ok, if it's like that - the Porsche 911's accelerator hinges from the bottom, too - but most cars hinge from the top.

SidiousX
10th June 2009, 22:24
sounds a lot like some cheese is missing here.... For all that whining ;)

+1

Antman
10th June 2009, 23:05
Why cant everyone get along personally i like lc because it was a chill out when i used to race in ctra (long time ago) i used to get so mad at other drivers knocking me and being rude i needed something a bit more relaxed , so i didnt lose intrest flame me all you want but your a big loser bully head if you are Thankyou:nod:

DeadWolfBones
11th June 2009, 15:14
Why cant everyone get along personally i like lc because it was a chill out when i used to race in ctra (long time ago) i used to get so mad at other drivers knocking me and being rude i needed something a bit more relaxed , so i didnt lose intrest flame me all you want but your a big loser bully head if you are Thankyou:nod:

Punctuation, spelling, grammar: learn them!

JO53PHS
11th June 2009, 16:52
other drivers knocking me and being rude

That happened on LC as well... especially by the cops..

matze54564
13th June 2009, 07:46
Hello cruisers, as protest against the the selfish closing we want keep the server empty. The server will be open until July 1.

For all the cruising haters something:
The cruising is good for:


get practice. I drive only with Mouse by using both mouse axes (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=23064), (with PPJoy (http://www.geocities.com/deonvdw/Docs/PPJoyMain.htm) you can use it in every game), and to learn drive with throttle and brake in mouse Y was really hard for me. I learned it in cruising servers very easy. Thats not so boring like in Single player, and normal practice servers are not good for it, because there are people with higher skills and you always have to press shift+s.
learning to keep attention for other drivers. Learning to watch out, learning to watch for oncoming traffic and drive without any accident. Watching for traffic before join the track and so forth.
chilling out.

Its not necessary to write that you hate this, its absolutely a counterproductive manner. Its just Spam.

Have you ever been chased by a bunch of police? This can cause high adrenaline... when you robbed bank before XD.

meanings about this what are writtn at liberty-cruise.com are welcome. And yes, i find not all good what they wrote.

Antman
21st June 2009, 23:01
Punctuation, spelling, grammar: learn them!
where you born an asshole, or did your worthless life make you one.

morpha
21st June 2009, 23:44
I couldn't really be bothered to read anything at all in this thread, but I totally agree with what xerxes posted about the dedicated server. It's crap.
We need binaries for multiple platforms (for most GNU/Linux distributions at least), if not the source.
We need proper multithreading to fully seperate the connection queue and the race in progress.
We DO NOT need DirectX.

The dedicated server should be treated as an indepentend project, not a stripped out version of the client.

vl_turbo
22nd June 2009, 19:08
I had real good laugh reading what xerxes writed on their site, like drivers and developers are to blame that he is closing server lol. The only reason lc is closing is that lc crew is bunch of noobs who cant hanlde pressure. It happened before and now it happened again. And xerxes pls dont reopen it in 6 months...

I totally agree with you, i was disgusted that he blamed the LFS devs for his lack of ability to run a server which is really disapointing as it had a good insim with lots of potential, but has now gone to waste because of someone who is a complete idiot and blames others for his own mistakes.

Zen321
23rd June 2009, 17:26
Besides the good laugh on Xerxes website, we must remember that really cruising isn't the bad point here.

It's the fact that the admins and the 'cops' are too full of themselves, and really reming me of Cartman in SouthPark (in the episode 'The Chicken Lover').

Just a bit of history here : cruise servers are the evolution of cops n' robbers, and in CnR, both sides wanted to chase each other, and have a blast. In cruise servers, cops chase to get money and to fine people, trying to make everyone respect the 'law' of the server, probably because they lack sufficient authority IRL to convince their friends to go in a bar they prefer.

I used to cruise to get in chases and have fun. I remember holding almost 10 minutes in a chase against a FZR with the XRT, just because the cop was a noobfest himself. After 10 minutes, I got kicked. Real sporty spirits, ain't it ?

People don't hate or dislike cruise servers without a reason. People don't care if others like to ride at 35mph. They (I included) find it pointless to have a force of 1337 (sarcastically speaking) enforcing this slow driving. As if they lost the spirit of an interesting chase in order to eat doughnuts in front of their screen while monitoring the speed of every people passing at the banked hairpin on Aston.

A bit of a shame, if you ask me. So cruisers proponents should really try to understand all of the reasons behind the tension toward them, instead of crying to discrimination or segregation whatsoever.