Round 4: Protests

[DeadWolfBones]

You know the drill. Put 'em here (only if really warranted!).

[baSh0r]

Restart after SC - Lap around 55 or something 1h 25 right before the First split.

Car #04 against #17.

#17 Pushes us #04 on the grass, while under blue flag, we hit the wall no control over the car and lost 8 places down to place 12

[xenoa]

#10 XFusion likes to file a protest against #25 on lap 59 fast chicane
RPL later

[boothy]

Restart after SC - Lap around 55 or something 1h 25 right before the First split.

Car #04 against #17.

#17 Pushes us #04 on the grass, while under blue flag, we hit the wall no control over the car and lost 8 places down to place 12

Replay attached.

[GuRu_PL]

Car Numbers:#15 and #25

Lap/Time: T1, after start

Car #25 Hit #15 in the back and we lost all positions.

http://files.filefront.com/IGTCRound4+Startmpr/;13797203;/fileinfo.html

[baSh0r]

Replay attached.

thanks

[boothy]

#10 XFusion likes to file a protest against #25 on lap 59 fast chicane
RPL later

Replay attached.

[xenoa]

Replay attached.
thnx

[BenjiMC]

Car Numbers:#15 and #25

Lap/Time: T1, after start

Car #25 Hit #15 in the back and we lost all positions.

http://files.filefront.com/IGTCRound4+Startmpr/;13797203;/fileinfo.html

Racing incident, #25 had a coming together with #11 and #15 got hit in a nock on effect.

[r4ptor]

Restart after SC - Lap around 55 or something 1h 25 right before the First split.

Car #04 against #17.

#17 Pushes us #04 on the grass, while under blue flag, we hit the wall no control over the car and lost 8 places down to place 12

Although #17 were under Blue Flag, it is our judgment that they were caught at a bad time. InSeRT were aware about the situation (Blue Flag), and let lapping cars pass a number of times after the restart. Inferno engaged their pass during a bend and while InSeRT had another car passing them on the outside at the same time. InSeRT didn't have anywhere to go - racing incident.

[PMD9409]

Car #02 against #23, lap 91 or 92 going down back straight and through the chicane.

Both cars 16 and 23 had blue flag, we pass 23 down the back straight, then he trys to repass us entering the chicane. This causes us to run wide, hit the tires, and they bounce off of us and remain in front of us.

Corey is still driving, replay later (unless someone can post).

[baSh0r]

Guys, are you blind. Seriously after dismissing this i have to ask this. Even before the actual crash you see them driving in our car not looking anywhere. Please would you take a look at this again we lost so much by that and that is seriously no racing accident!

edit: ConeDodgers on the Left side was so much faster that he could have pulled to the left even before hitting us. Instead of doing that he pulls to the right after Conedodgers had passed him about 90% already.

[BenjiMC]

#10 XFusion likes to file a protest against #25 on lap 59 fast chicane
RPL later

Drive through for #25. #25 had the advantage into the corner but then appeared to give it up. #10 took the normal racing line as #25 was byt this time at the rear wheel of #10. #25 then decide to carry through with the overtake but by this point had an insignificant overlap.

[Gil07]

Lap 100, #06 SR against #04 Inferno

Car 04 has very little overlap, and when 06 gets a little sideways, he sticks his nose in a gap that doesnt exist and spins the 06 around...

Hopefully someone has a replay ;)

[baSh0r]

The car in front was on the outside getting oversteer, we pinched on the inside willing to pass, on the brakes, then suddenly the [SR] Team pulled in and got hit by us beeing on the brakes already no chance to avoid that.

Racing accident in my eyes, no matter tho, we are sorry that it had to happen that way.

And "that gap" did exist.

edit: Your driver almost pushed our driver off the track on a straight road some laps before.

[Pútnik]

Restart after SC - Lap around 55 or something 1h 25 right before the First split.

Car #04 against #17.

#17 Pushes us #04 on the grass, while under blue flag, we hit the wall no control over the car and lost 8 places down to place 12

Penalty for us must by a joke, but not very funny:(, after restart chaos I let pass many cars, and in crucial moment I try to miss pneu, i have been ahead and contact was not strong + LFS contact model = exemplar racing accident.

[boothy]

Lap 100, #06 SR against #04 Inferno

Car 04 has very little overlap, and when 06 gets a little sideways, he sticks his nose in a gap that doesnt exist and spins the 06 around...

Hopefully someone has a replay ;)

I would add more laps to the replay but the filesize would be too big.

And BTW Inferno, "on the brakes" - the replay shows you accelerating into the #06 car...

[r4ptor]

Car #02 against #23, lap 91 or 92 going down back straight and through the chicane.

Both cars 16 and 23 had blue flag, we pass 23 down the back straight, then he trys to repass us entering the chicane. This causes us to run wide, hit the tires, and they bounce off of us and remain in front of us.

Corey is still driving, replay later (unless someone can post).

Racing incident but with a warning to n!faculty.

n!faculty was a lap down and also with not enough overlap. They should have backed off when approaching the chicane entry.

[DeadWolfBones]

Lap 100, #06 SR against #04 Inferno

Car 04 has very little overlap, and when 06 gets a little sideways, he sticks his nose in a gap that doesnt exist and spins the 06 around...

Hopefully someone has a replay ;)


#06 recovered quickly from the minor slide coming out of the sharp left-hander prior to the first split, and was far enough ahead of #04 to have full right to choose their line into the next (sharp right-hand) turn. They closed the door on #04, who nevertheless stuck their nose in, failing to give enough room, and collided with #06 just after the apex. This is an overaggressive and overoptimistic pass attempt.

DT to #04 for avoidable contact.

[sokke]

Lap 116, #12 rear-ended #05 while #05 was pitting in, causing #05 to speed in pit-lane.

See more precise accident report & replay below. :really:

[troy]

Car #05 against #12, end of Lap 116 (1h00m10s into the replay)

#05 takes the line into the pit entry, #12 follows hits #05 which then gets a drive through penalty. #12 is already behind #05 for some laps and #05 always clearly takes a different line before the pit.

Sorry I couldn't cut the replay, mpredit was acting up.

Replay download: http://archiv.to/?Module=Details&HashID=FILE4A1878ADA325B

[b0rn]

Car #23 against #07, first split in Lap 132 or 133

Car #07 is getting back on the Track and is hitting #23-N.Hermann

[DeadWolfBones]

Car #05 against #12, end of Lap 116 (1h00m10s into the replay)

#05 takes the line into the pit entry, #12 follows hits #05 which then gets a drive through penalty. #12 is already behind #05 for some laps and #05 always clearly takes a different line before the pit.

Sorry I couldn't cut the replay, mpredit was acting up.

Replay download: http://archiv.to/?Module=Details&HashID=FILE4A1878ADA325B



While #05 plans to enter the pits, #12 is apparently unaware of this fact and slipstreams in an attempt to make a pass. Crucially, #05 brakes very early (relative to the majority of other cars on the track) and too rapidly, and this causes the collision to occur. Driver of #05 should have been fully aware of the car directly behind him, braked later and more gently, or done more to indicate that he was going to pit.

This is something of a gray area due to the nature of the pit entry on this track, but in our opinion this is a racing incident.

[Megin]

that DT penalty for No.17 - InSeRT is for my start at he beginnig? What was wrong? I start passing when GREE FLAG shows.... :shrug:

or for protest form No.04 Inferno?

[DeadWolfBones]

that DT penalty for No.17 - InSeRT is for my start at he beginnig? What was wrong? I start passing when GREE FLAG shows.... :shrug:

or for protest form No.04 Inferno

It's for the restart after the SC period. You clearly lagged behind the field, got a running start, and then passed 8-9 cars with your speed advantage.

[DeadWolfBones]

Car #23 against #07, first split in Lap 132 or 133

Car #07 is getting back on the Track and is hitting #23-N.Hermann

#07 re-enters the track completely oblivious to the #23 car, hits him, and loses him considerable time. Unsafe track re-entry is something that we take very seriously in this series, as it can be easily avoided and can also cause huge damage and time loss.

C2 penalty (-5pts) to #07.

[Locovich]

While #05 plans to enter the pits, #12 is apparently unaware of this fact and slipstreams in an attempt to make a pass. Crucially, #05 brakes very early (relative to the majority of other cars on the track) and too rapidly, and this causes the collision to occur. Driver of #05 should have been fully aware of the car directly behind him, braked later and more gently, or done more to indicate that he was going to pit.

This is something of a gray area due to the nature of the pit entry on this track, but in our opinion this is a racing incident.

Is not my point to make controversy, but i don´t think is a gray area, i think we have to use common sense. Take the example of real life, when you´re in a highway and you have to exit when having cars behind.... you won´t press full brakes without letting know other cars what are you going to do... you should slow down first rather than braking, just releasing the throttle is a way to warn the cars behind... In this case i think is the same...:shrug:
Any way... i offer my excuses... but i was not able to avoid the contact...:schwitz:

[Megin]

I watch many times my start but in next races i make the same thing. I rules there is that i can overtake when is green flag and i do that. Also there is we must be in single file and also we must leave comfortable gap.... i don't thing that gap was to big, ich green flag will flash little later i also have to brake little and decrease my speed. But Green flag shows exactli when i was close behind cars with better speed som i continue with overtaking.
For example #11 make start like mine - they went in the rigth side of the finish straight. I can't see deferences...

Maybe i overtake few more cars like they or others ( i won't point for somebody else) and that was to mutch see? Or it was too risky or i make some collision? Your decision realy dissapionting me.

[Bean0]

While #05 plans to enter the pits, #12 is apparently unaware of this fact and slipstreams in an attempt to make a pass. Crucially, #05 brakes very early (relative to the majority of other cars on the track) and too rapidly, and this causes the collision to occur. Driver of #05 should have been fully aware of the car directly behind him, braked later and more gently, or done more to indicate that he was going to pit.

This is something of a gray area due to the nature of the pit entry on this track, but in our opinion this is a racing incident.

I havent seen it, but you do state in an earlier post that it will be the fault of the following driver if any contact is made...

Drivers should be aware of cars that may be pitting in, and will be responsible if they rear-end a car slowing for the pits, but there is no restriction against driving over the pit entry area.

Furthermore, as stated in the rules, it is not a violation of the rules to cross the pit entry line--only crossing the pit exit line is punishable.

[NelsonGPV]

Replay attached.

Thanks for the replay, and if there is a room for and apology, we offer it.

However in our personal opinion it was a race incident, because both drivers push to the limits. The contact could have been affected us in the same manner.

I have to recoganize the drive through penalty was fair enough.

Great race see you next time
:thumb:

[NelsonGPV]

Car Numbers:#15 and #25

Lap/Time: T1, after start

Car #25 Hit #15 in the back and we lost all positions.

http://files.filefront.com/IGTCRound4+Startmpr/;13797203;/fileinfo.html

Racing incident, #25 had a coming together with #11 and #15 got hit in a nock on effect.

About this protest, please note, the car involved in this incident is car #24

We were at the bottom of the grid.
:thumb:

[DeadWolfBones]

I havent seen it, but you do state in an earlier post that it will be the fault of the following driver if any contact is made...

There's a common sense limit to all rules like that one. Would it still have applied 50 yards further up the track? Etc etc. I think we spelled out well enough in our decision why we ruled the way we did. :shrug:

[BenjiMC]

About this protest, please note, the car involved in this incident is car #24

We were at the bottom of the grid.
:thumb:

quite true, my mistake. Good job you never got a penalty huh? :tilt:

[Bean0]

There's a common sense limit to all rules like that one. Would it still have applied 50 yards further up the track? Etc etc. I think we spelled out well enough in our decision why we ruled the way we did. :shrug:

It's just that you start by saying that #12 is apparently unaware of our intention to pit.

The very fact that 2 drivers were on the server should be enough warning I think. They have not paid attention and have caused the accident by attempting to slipstream a car which is pitting.

It's just the way I see it, and I do realise that it is a very grey area.

[BenjiMC]

It's just that you start by saying that #12 is apparently unaware of our intention to pit.

The very fact that 2 drivers were on the server should be enough warning I think. They have not paid attention and have caused the accident by attempting to slipstream a car which is pitting.

It's just the way I see it, and I do realise that it is a very grey area.

You could equally say that your driver brake tested #12. He braked before the pit entry lines, and thus was still on track, on the main straight mind you, when he braked.