Logitech DFP and Momo Problems

[Gunn]

It is not uncommon for mass-produced devices with moving parts to harbour a few gremilins and Logitech controllers are no exception.

There are a few issues which many Logitech users have in common and some may be addressed by applying software patches or using new drivers and software written for just this purpose.

While some problems may be hardware or design issues (therefore can't be fixed by software), others may be rectified by trying the software fixes available.

If your controller shows signs of a shifting centre for example, you can try the official Logitech fix for that problem. Before you post your Logitech problems on the Live For Speed Forums please check out the Wingman Team Web Site (http://www.wingmanteam.com/) first to see if others have had the same problems you are having. Try the new drivers and other fixes that relate to your controller and see if you can solve some of the common problems that other people also have with their controller.
Other utilities can be found on the Wingman Team site including DX Tweak2 which works for other controllers too, not just Logitech ones.

Please visit the site and try to fix your problems. This may save several similar topics being created here every time someone experiences a typical fault. Many people have reported that their controller issues were solved by patching their software or updating to newer versions. If all else fails then contact Logitech for a replacement controller (if your warranty has not yet expired).

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Hardware problems:
There are a few issues that can be identified that may lead to an under-performing controller. If your controller is still covered by the manufacturer's warranty it is wise to enquire about a replacement. Pulling your controller to pieces, or even removing one screw, will void your warranty so consider whether or not repairs are worth doing before becoming Dr Frankenstein. If you have no choices left then try THIS (http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e5.html) link. Although the site features a Momo, the information can be easily applied to the DFP as well. Replacement *pots, springs etc are not available seperately. Special lubricant (grease) is used inside the controllers and you should be able to buy some from an electronics or hobby store. Normal lubricants are unsuitable and may corrode the plastic itself.

- Try the software fixes listed above before assuming that you have a hardware problem.
- If you are still covered by warranty, seek a replacement wheel from the manufacterer rather than repairing or modifying your controller.
- If you dismantle or repair your controller you do so at your own risk. Damage to the controller or your person is your reponsibility.

Don't forget to check our hardware section for more discussion on wheels and other controllers.

*Pot: Nickname for potentiometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer). This is a small device used in analogue wheel/pedal or joystick that measures the movement of the wheel or pedal and sends signals to the PC so that your action can be reflected in the software.

[szyszek]

If your controller shows signs of a shifting centre for example, you can try the official Logitech fix for that problem. Wingman Team Web Site (http://www.wingmanteam.com/)

Sorry for making a fuss :(
I have a shifting centre problem, and I don't really know which fix to download from the Wingman site.
I assume it should be one of these, but which? None of the descriptions on the site fit my problem exactly. Sorry if this is a stupid question/or if I'm posting in the wrong place.

Logitech® MOMO® Racing Centering Fix
MOMO® Center Adjustment Utility
Clear Calibration Utility
DX Deadzone Utility

[Gunn]

Try the first one, it is supposed to automatically fix the problem. If it doesn't, then I suggest uninstalling the patch and trying option 2.

The 2nd one helps you to manually fix the problem.

The 3rd is to clear calibration data (works the same as unplugging your pedals or wheel, calibration is reset to defaults)

The 4th is for setting dead zones, but you can use DX Tweak 2 for that, a much more useful tool in general.

It's been some time since I read about all of that stuff so please don't be mad if my descriptions are not 100% accurate. ;)

[szyszek]

Thanks for the answer. Just one more question regarding that fix:

"Extract the program from the ZIP file.
Add the program to you startup group, passing the parameter "0" as below.

MOMORacingFixCenter 0 "

Where do I put that parameter?

In the shortcut properties? :pillepall

[mrodgers]

Another good site for actually getting inside to fix Momo problems.

http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_m.html
I just had to recently get inside the pedals and wrap the throttle pedal shaft with electrical tape. I was getting throttle spikes. Momo is 6 months old. I also need to tear the wheel apart per above website and fix the wheel shaft having play in it.

[Gunn]

I repaired my MOMO pedals no less than 14 times over a 9 month period before finally throwing them into the corner. They've been gutted, drilled, chopped, bashed, shaved, filed... you name it.

As for the centre fix, it made my controller worse so I don't bother with it now.

You can only try these software fixes, they can help to address some people's problems, but at the end of the day most problems with Logitech pedals are hardware issues. The design is really quite good (I've been designing pedals for several months now and it isn't easy to put everything into a compact space) but the materials and engineering are totally low-budget. Cheap components and way too much movement where there should be none cause wear and tear resulting in a premature end to your pedals. The wheels themselves seem quite robust, unfortunately they're getting smaller (the DFP wheel must have been designed for a 6 year old girl, I even get a sore chest from using the MOMO which is a larger wheel than the DFP). Apart from saving your money for a really good quality controller there's not much else to do except prepare yourself for repairs and replacement. I certainly wouldn't consider a DFP to be value for money but there is little competition in that price space unfortunately. The MOMO is no longer produced but some stock remains here and there.

The king of all was the old Red Momo, things went downhill from there as I imagine profits went up. Perhaps the most promising aspect currently is the DFP's 900 degree mode, which although is way too much to seem realistic for racing can be used in 720 mode which is really a great thing.

Logitech seem willing to replace most people's pedals if they are under warranty (and sometimes even when they are not). So if you have real issues, go and get a new set from Logitech while you still can. Revision B pedals are now being shipped with DFPs and they contain metal pots which is a welcome, but small, improvement.

If someone does eventually produce a quality product to compete in the same price range they should easily capture the lion's share of the market.

[RAYfighter]

I repaired my MOMO pedals no less than 14 times over a 9 month period before finally throwing them into the corner. They've been gutted, drilled, chopped, bashed, shaved, filed... you name it.

.....most problems with Logitech pedals are hardware issues. The design is really quite good (I've been designing pedals for several months now and it isn't easy to put everything into a compact space) but the materials and engineering are totally low-budget. Cheap components and way too much movement where there should be none cause wear and tear resulting in a premature end to your pedals.

Gunn, I have the similiar problem with my MOMO pedals maybe. The problem is that the gas pedal doesn't return to the full released position, causing the game reading the 1-15% throttle from it. When I opened my pedals to explore the problem myself, I have found that the pot seems to be twisted by a small degree, when properly sitting in its place. When I removed it and manually turned, DXTweak2 confirmed smooth values with correct min and max margins reached. Just after putting it back in place and checking by pressing the pedal, DXTweak2 revealed that the pot cannot reach the zero value. Or only very rarely.
All and all I guess the problem might be in the not so perfect pot fitting. Some forum posts recommend the use of glue here - Mozso at his site doesn't recommend it, to avoid a too big strain on the potmeter.

Another imperfection I have found and been thinking of fixing, is the questionable gas pedal movement in its shaft. While the brake pedal feels great, thanks to double springs perhaps, the gas pedal shows all kinds of sideways and other unwanted movements. Mozso fixed it with a tape - I'm not so sure how long such fix will work, since there are no bearings and the friction will damage the tape IMO....


As you can see, I desperately need to hear your experiences. Eventhough you basically recommended to throw them to the corner ( :D ), I would love to hear your tips to fix my gas pedal.

Thanks in advance to Gunn or anybody else who can help.

[Gunn]

Glue is not recommended. Logitech seem to have a good reason for the movement of the pot in it's "holder", strangely logic says that the reason is the tapered pedal "axle", the same issue causes the movement in the throttle pedal that you mention and indeed the extra spring on the brake makes the brake more solid. So it seems the movement around the shaft and of the pot is for some reason (why the taper otherwise?). The problem for the pot is undue wear. The problem in game is that the pot may lift out of its "holder" and the auto calibration kicks in all the time reporting an erroneous range: this leads to either a throttle that never goes to 100% or sometimes it is already at, say 10%, with the pedal in the relaxed position.

Making the pot more firm in its "holder" does correct the problem of it popping out, but gluing it makes it too rigid and can cause damage. Notice the small lug on the bottom of the pot? Mine has now snapped off my throttle pot. Using folded paper to help retain the pot firmly works fairly well but is a delicate job. Once in a while you may need to replace the paper as it does get compressed and the pot loosens again.

In DXTweak2 you should be able to force the pot to a correct range, but first try the following experiment: If the pot is snug in it's holder and is functioning properly then it should be able to be calibrated properly. Without DXTweak running, unplug the USB cable and plug it in again, then move the wheel and pedals to their extremities, then try the pedals in game. Is the range now correct? Calibrate inside LFS to be sure.

Sometimes a pot can get dirty or damaged and some of the range becomes unavailable. This would not be the most common situation but does happen.

So you have one problem that is due to physical design and a potential problem either now or later with a damaged or dirty pot.

- Reducing movement around the pedal axle should reduce the action of pot lifting from its holder. Some people use a layer of thin tape to limit movement (see link in first post). This won't be a magic cure but should help to alleviate lateral pedal movement (an extra spring would be nice).

- Reducing pot movement by using paper or some other restrictive means will help to prevent the shifting range problem but be aware that extra stress may be placed on the little lug that holds the pot in place.

I always recommend a warranty replacement if possible. While many have had success in home-made repairs, there are risks of damaging your gear. And always be mindful of safety to yourself around tools and electricity.

I hope this helps you out Rayfighter, it can be frustrating on the track. A quick fix may be to unplug your pedals from your wheel, and then plug back in again, but this only resets the calibration data and does not stop the problem.

*To all those who are going to throw away their old Momo or DFP pedals because they are beyond repair, please send all of your old pots and springs to my house!:D

[mrodgers]

Another imperfection I have found and been thinking of fixing, is the questionable gas pedal movement in its shaft. While the brake pedal feels great, thanks to double springs perhaps, the gas pedal shows all kinds of sideways and other unwanted movements. Mozso fixed it with a tape - I'm not so sure how long such fix will work, since there are no bearings and the friction will damage the tape IMO....

I did the electrical tape thing, but instead of tape, I read somewhere or heard from someone that they trimmed a strip from an aluminum pop can and used that on the shaft. I imagine that would work much better as it wouldn't wear through like the tape would.

[Gunn]

I would think the wall of the can would be too thick. But if it weren't then that may work. Aluminum could wear out the plastic though so perhaps some care would need to be taken with the sharp edges and burrs first?

Remember though that the shaft is tapered, you won't get a perfect result with either method.

[DanielJE]

Well, if the racing center fix does nothing but make my settings completely out of whack inside LFS, but fine in the calibration screen, and the momotweak.exe doesnt even detect my momo wheel, does that mean that i have a serious hardware problem?

I am quite fed up with this drifting center problem, i slide out ALL the time when i am doing rally and i need to use very rigid and fast counter-steering motions to keep my car drifting the way i want it to. Is this sudden motion and constant fighting against the motors the cause of the problem, in other games i dont really slide out all that much. In richard burns rally my car basically just slides by itsself at a certain point, you dont really need to counter-steer, just drive carefully.

I am thinking of writing a nasty letter demanding them to replace my MOMO wheel if i cannot correct this problem.

the "FIX" for the drifting center, the first one on the gadgets section of the wingman team site does nothing but completely scramble all the codes inside the game of some sort. I enable it, enter LFS and goto options to recalibrate my wheel, and i bress my brake and the axis indicator says im turning left, i hit the gas it does the same. and the axis indicators literally just randomly move and whatever.

Please, if anyone at all can PM me or email me an indepth way to fix this drifting center problem without the need to take apart my MOMO wheel, i would be greatful. I am very technically inclined on computers and even just a brief run-down of what i may be able to do to get it to work correctly would be enough for me to work through it.

Any help whatsoever concerning this issues would be greatly appreciated as i am becoming fed up with playing a game that has me holding the wheel 30 degrees to the left just to keep the wheel on the screen in the center to go down a straight away.

Thank you very much.

[dontsimon]

My DFP has never suffered this problem, and I don't think I've heard others getting it either? Yours is a Momo right?

Are you still under warrenty? Maybe get a replacement, Ebay the new one and get a DFP. The pedals are maybe slighly better due to the new pots too.

Also, have you visited wingmanteam to ask there?

http://www.wingmanteam.com/discus/

[Gunn]

My DFP has never suffered this problem, and I don't think I've heard others getting it either? Yours is a Momo right?

Are you still under warrenty? Maybe get a replacement, Ebay the new one and get a DFP. The pedals are maybe slighly better due to the new pots too.

Also, have you visited wingmanteam to ask there?

http://www.wingmanteam.com/discus/

The DFP pedals are identical in construction and components to the Momo. Only a recent revision replaces the the original pots with ones that are marginally better.

[DanielJE]

Well, i have no receipt, so i have no warranty, fancy that, ive been sold a MOMO RACING already one year old, i bet this sucker has been taken back alot of the time.

It is a shame, but i dont really mind, i have a job, ill get a DFP one day, gotta keep it on the down-low, the wife will kill me. thats no joke.

If anyone has any SOFTWARE fix at all or a HARDWARE fix for this 'DRIFTING CENTER' problem, please direct me to a website or anything.

I read somewhere if i disable a centering sensor inside the wheel, it fixes the problem, i dont know if that is for the MOMO RACING or another MOMO version, but i really need something to get rid of this problem. Its so annoying that it keeps happening, none of the wingman software fixes do anything,ive tried them all, and they dont do a single thing.

I also read somewhere about tweaking the settings of the wheel could possibly fix this, although i dont know what i am doing when using tools like DXTWEAK2 and DXTWEAK, and the MOMOTWEAK doesnt even work for some reason.

LOGITECH SUCKS.

Are there any other 900 degree wheels on the market, besides the DFP, i think i might want to check one of those out b efore going with LOGITECH, or does anyone have a fix for my problem, or can direct me to a hardware fix or something like that.

My problem is the DRIFTING CENTER. This makes it very difficult to race with precision and accuracy, infact it makes it very frustrating to even play the game.

Ive noticed that RICHARD BURNS RALLY does not give me this problem, is it possible the code for the wheel is different from each game to the next, making this problem a software conflict?

Thanks Daniel

[ysu]

LOGITECH SUCKS.

I wouldn't say that. I have a DFP (rev B) , I have logitech keyboard, mouse, all excellent quality. The dfp is a very precise tool.

Ive noticed that RICHARD BURNS RALLY does not give me this problem, is it possible the code for the wheel is different from each game to the next, making this problem a software conflict?
If it does not appear in all games, it's definitely not a hardware issue. Yes, each game uses/reads the wheel differently. But if that's a driver or other problem....:scratchch

[Lible]

I agree, logitech sucks!

http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/

[anttt69]

Hi. also having momo probs.

I have a momo racing and the two small clamps underneath dont unfold so i can fix to my desk. I dont think the screw clamp will hold, what can I do?

[mrodgers]

Hi. also having momo probs.

I have a momo racing and the two small clamps underneath dont unfold so i can fix to my desk. I dont think the screw clamp will hold, what can I do?
Are you new to this wheel? If so, then there are caps covering the screws for the clamps. They are located on top. Just pull off the caps, then you can unscrew the clamps, mount to desk, and tighten the screws.

[Kegetys]

I had the usual calibration problems with my Momo Racing pedals, I tried asking the Logitech tech support if it would be possible to disable the autocalibration, but instead of providing such they promised to send me new pedals :) However those never arrived, so I asked again and they sent me an all new wheel for no cost, without even asking any kind of proof of purchase other than the serial number of the wheel. So I'd recommend contacting them if you have any kind of problems...

Also, the manual of the new wheel was labeled "Rev.B", I have heard the B revision DFP's with the metal pots are marked the same way, so I suspect they might have done the same thing for the Momo Racing, although I haven't opened the pedals to verify this.

[Rikki]

Hi,

This tutorial was very helpful when I had to disassemble my red momo force:

http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm

With this I was able to disassemble my wheel, put the forcefeedback motor in place again, close it up and start racing again. Saved my day!

Hope it will be helpful for you too :-)

[letdown427]

I have a DFP, and whenever the wheel is central, it jerks and twitches from side to side.
It is not a simulation of the cars behaviour, I'd go into detail, but i'd rather just say it isn't, i'm positive. As soon as the wheel is no longer centered, the problem stops. I have the force feedback set to 200 in LFS, and have tried reducing it to get rid of the problem, but it has to be set down to below 25 before it is unnoticable, at which point the cars feel hugely over assissted. I was wondering if this has been encountered by anyone else?
I really don't want to have to turn my FF right down, but the straights are just so aggrevating when the wheel is twitching constantly. Even when parked up, it turns left and right, leaving my poor driver flailing his virtual arms.
In the wingman profiler, I have most of the settings on full also, except the centering srping is on 0% I think, im at work at the moment, but will check later, ive tried toying with these ad nauseum, and have just tried to deal with the twitching. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Sorry for the long post.

[theblackrabbi]

I just try to deal the the jerking from side to side when going in a straight, so when you find out the fix make sure to tell me ;)

[mrodgers]

With the jerking side to side, first make sure you have "remove deadzones" checked or yes in the wheel options (in LFS). If you still get it, I'd think you're using too much force strength. But check the deadzone option.

[letdown427]

OK, i'll try that, if that doesn't work i'll try all the FF settings again. :schwitz:

thanks

theblackrabbi, i'll let you know if anything good happens!

[theblackrabbi]

thanks I would like to know. Just becuse I love the force effects, but in order to make the shaking go away it has to be turned way too far down. Well it's okay I guess but if it was possible to go away and still have the effects on high then it would be even greater. Let me know what happens.

[Stutt]

........
- Reducing movement around the pedal axle should reduce the action of pot lifting from its holder. Some people use a layer of thin tape to limit movement (see link in first post). This won't be a magic cure but should help to alleviate lateral pedal movement (an extra spring would be nice).
...........

Maybe another approach in reducing the movement around the pedal's axle is the one on this site http://www.cockpitvirtual.com.br/mrffw.htm cut a little nylon block to fill the pedal's base holes.

[Hardcoremoscher Stan]

Hello

My Problem is the pedal from my DFP with windows driver I can play the game but the function of my pedals are only digital.

so today I installed an driver from Logitech for another steering wheel but it has found my DFP!
Now I have the problem that the function of my pedals are disabled.

on other games I can play now with analog pedals it's no problem!
What can I do to get an analog function with LFS?

Stan

P.S. sorry but my english is more than bad

[mrodgers]

Hardcoremoscher Stan, follow this link, select your operating system and download/install the 4.60 drivers for Logitech controllers.

http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/latest_soft_main.htm

Then someone else can tell you how to unlock the 900° rotation on the wheel. Or, search for "unlock 900 degree" on the forum. It's been explained before, but it is tough to search DFP here, there is a ton of discussions/threads about it.

[filur]

Select+R3+Left shift paddle, toggle between normal (two blinks of leftmost LED) and older(?) softer FFB mode (one blink), i really recommend the softer one, much smoother.

Select+R3+Right shift paddle, instant toggle between 180? degrees and full 900, rightmost LED lights up at full 900 mode.

Best to set degrees in profiler tho.

[Hardcoremoscher Stan]

Thanks
Now it runs:thumb:

Stan

[spankmeyer]

Dudes, if you're using a DFP do yourself a favour and change ffb steps from 128 to 256 in the LFS config file. Made my jaw drop how much more information I'm getting back from force-feedback. My DFP always felt sort of stiff despite dialing the force down, but that small adjustment changed it all.

My control panel settings are the usual: overall 50%, spring 0%, damper 0%, centering spring enabled but set to 0%

[GT4Fan]

I was always able to drift in LFS very good with my stock settings but...I'll give it a try:)

[beep]

I have a very weak or even no force on my new DFP when the wheel is on center position. When I start to turn the wheel about 15 degrees to the right or left the force starts to feel as it should be. In other games like RBR or rFactor it is the same.

I never had such issues with my previous Thrustmaster FF wheel.

Have you ever had such problem as mine and if so is there a way to fix it?

[borneoblood]

i have not heard of all these problems.. Mine i had for about 1.5yrs and it works great...........

[indo420]

Ive had my MOMO since December (got it from my wife for my b-day)

I have not had a single problem out of it. even the pedals! maybe i just lucked out and got all the good parts off the assembly line huh? thanks for
all of this information this will help me out in the long run.

[F2kSel]

I have a very weak or even no force on my new DFP when the wheel is on center position. When I start to turn the wheel about 15 degrees to the right or left the force starts to feel as it should be. In other games like RBR or rFactor it is the same.

I never had such issues with my previous Thrustmaster FF wheel.

Have you ever had such problem as mine and if so is there a way to fix it?

I have something close to that but mine feels fine for the first 15-20 degrees then it's as if I'm turning a truck the FF feels as if it's gone to max.

I have FF set to 50 thats about as low as I can go and keep self centering working. I suffer from RSI at times and the wheel is to stiff for me to use so the game is not really used.

I don't have this problem with any other game, I've gone through this with many people but no amount of in game settings fix the problem.

This happens on both PC's and if it was the wheel I would expect problems with other games and I've tried most of them and they're all fine.

[roy.s]

I am having a problem with my break pedal on my MOMO, it seems to be sticking on 12% in use after about 1/2 hour of play. It seems to be OK if I unplug it from the USB port and then plug it back in for about 1/2 hour but then it starts sticking again. Does anyone know if theres a fix for this.
Many Thanks

[frokki]

My red MOMO Force looses wheel calibration after crash to a wall or really fast steering movements ( =heavy ffb effects? ). One full turn from max left to max right will solve this, but that's not the wisest thing to do in the middle of the race. I remember races where I've driven over 10 laps my wheel pointing 90 degrees off center :)

I've been having this problem about for a year now, but it keeps worsening as mileage grows.

[HiTTeR]

?its ok?

[zorrofox]

Dudes, if you're using a DFP do yourself a favour and change ffb steps from 128 to 256 in the LFS config file. Made my jaw drop how much more information I'm getting back from force-feedback. My DFP always felt sort of stiff despite dialing the force down, but that small adjustment changed it all.

My control panel settings are the usual: overall 50%, spring 0%, damper 0%, centering spring enabled but set to 0%

I've tried that and I can't say I notice much, if any, difference. What do the numbers refer to?

[AtomAnt]

Two little tricks that have seen these pedals keep working after more than 50,000 miles. To Clean the pot, remove pot and where the spindle of the pot joins the body, apply one or two drops of ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL ( commonly found in any VCR Head Cleaning kit). A Q Tip soaked with the same is good for removing any skin oil or foreign dirt, also, to ensure minimum movement of the pot where it inserts into pedals, you can put a piece of electrical tape on the end of the pedal shaft and make an X cut where the little HALF MOON cut out for the pot is, then gently push the pot back into the pedal shaft.

Easy and works well.

[wheel4hummer]

Hmmm.... anyone have problems with dog hair getting in their DFP pedals? I just wanna know if this will be a problem. And, whenever I spin, It is really hard to recover.

[wheel4hummer]

Another problem: If I turn my wheel one direction about 70 degrees and let go, it will start rotating from side to side and it will go faster and faster. This makes it hard to control sometimes.

[filur]

Another problem: If I turn my wheel one direction about 70 degrees and let go, it will start rotating from side to side and it will go faster and faster. This makes it hard to control sometimes.

Set your force strength lower.

[RX-7]

alright i have a logitech momo racing (black), im seeming to have alot of troubles with the in-game steering, i turn my wheel the littlest bit and it full locks, the wheel isnt old, not even a month old so i dunno if its something to do with the wheel or game, i dunno but its annoying me... can any1 help ?

[TiJay]

Turn your wheel lock to lock in the Controls menu on game start.

[SonoFabics]

I use logitech formula force gp, and i'd been very pleased with it.
Somehow it did not feel OK recently so i rather switched FF off. having driven patch Q yesterday for some tweakin....:D...the old smooth FF came alive again, i was amazed how supreme the "feeling of the car" was.

I realized, that somehow since patch U my wheel is not working properly...
I cannot adjust force and centre linearity so smoothly as before and
even more anoying, that the force seems to black out, meaning it can swithc off and on occasionally ingame even going through high speed bends :(:ambulance

any clues on this?:shrug:

[MataGyula]

Hi all
I think I got a problem with my Momo Racing pedals . As the easiest way to explain something is to show the problem , I made a small video in lfs, so you can see what is the problem. The brake pedal goes up smoothly, but the throttle is just crazy :S
take a look at the vid please, and help me what to do with it ,please !
Thx in advance !

[510N3D]

if theres no more warenty on your wheel try this fix it helped for me but i need to refresh the tape every 1-2 mounths:

http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e5.html

[MataGyula]

@510N3D
Thx, it is still under warranty, so i'll take it back :( I hoped it wont be necessary, but oh well :(
( maybe they will say , that they no longer produce MOMO Racing so they will send me that G25 wheel :scratchch :D )

[510N3D]

@510N3D
Thx, it is still under warranty, so i'll take it back :( I hoped it wont be necessary, but oh well :(
( maybe they will say , that they no longer produce MOMO Racing so they will send me that G25 wheel :scratchch :D )

try the hotline and i bet you get some new for free. I know some that did with success :)

[viper-gt]

When I first switch on my computer, my DFP turns from lock to lock(2 1/2 turns each way I think) then it turns 90 degrees left, then 180 degrees right, then back to centre. I presume this is normal, but what follows is not.

I am in a race, I exit the pits, turn left, the wheels stops working, it switches off completely, then it does exactly what I outlined above, it eventually centers itself again, then the lights go off. It does this AGAIN, sometimes it does it anywhere up to 4 times, this can happen as soon as I join a game, or 100 yards infront of the finish line on the last lap.

I can honestly say that my DFP ownership thus far has been absolutely shit, it caused my computer to blue screen the very first time I tried to use it, it resets 3-4 times every hour or so, its just so ****ing annoying.

If ANYBODY else has this problem please help me, i've tried the logitech support site, but the DFP is not listed in the dropdown boxes for the steering wheels.


PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME.


:(

[510N3D]

When I first switch on my computer, my DFP turns from lock to lock(2 1/2 turns each way I think) then it turns 90 degrees left, then 180 degrees right, then back to centre. I presume this is normal, but what follows is not.

I am in a race, I exit the pits, turn left, the wheels stops working, it switches off completely, then it does exactly what I outlined above, it eventually centers itself again, then the lights go off. It does this AGAIN, sometimes it does it anywhere up to 4 times, this can happen as soon as I join a game, or 100 yards infront of the finish line on the last lap.

I can honestly say that my DFP ownership thus far has been absolutely shit, it caused my computer to blue screen the very first time I tried to use it, it resets 3-4 times every hour or so, its just so ****ing annoying.

If ANYBODY else has this problem please help me, i've tried the logitech support site, but the DFP is not listed in the dropdown boxes for the steering wheels.


PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME.


:(

sounds like a problem with the fuse but im not sure since i dont own a dfp. but there are problems with momo wheels and some speaker systems from logitech and its fuses.

[jspec]

I have a problem with the DFP's brake pedal. When i push the pedal all the way down, it brakes only 50% or even 30% sometimes. I don't have time to send it to Logitech under its waranty. Dont tell me that way :)

So is there a way to fix it on my own? and are momo pedals and dfp pedals same?

thanks for the help.

[510N3D]

I have a problem with the DFP's brake pedal. When i push the pedal all the way down, it brakes only 50% or even 30% sometimes. I don't have time to send it to Logitech under its waranty. Dont tell me that way :)

So is there a way to fix it on my own? and are momo pedals and dfp pedals same?

thanks for the help.

as far as i know they are pretty much the same but im not sure at all.
you may have a look at this page

http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e5.html

but i admid you to wait what people say that owns a dfp because i have got a momo.

[iOL(Qc)]

hi, first of all i gotta say i dont speak english usually, im having problems with my momo racing force wheel its a new product i bought it about 3 days ago. I tried first to just plug it on my pc whitout install cd driver and play.. everything was goiing find exept the ff led was off so the ff effect are not working, of course i tried all proper setting like verouillage du calibrage et retour de force (ff) at YES but nothing make the ff led on, then i tried to install de cd driver then i go in lfs the ff led light up but their was no more center force and the pedal wont work at all. i unistalled the proggram , started the game again and i get an error at the launch saying SetProperty Failed , i can start a race and enter, the wheel work but with the ff led off an pedal dont work. i tried the last driver at logitech team but still the same problemS :( thx for your help ps: i have usb2 port, windows xp an a powerfull pc sorry for the bad english and the long post

[deggis]

Hi all
I think I got a problem with my Momo Racing pedals . As the easiest way to explain something is to show the problem , I made a small video in lfs, so you can see what is the problem. The brake pedal goes up smoothly, but the throttle is just crazy :S
take a look at the vid please, and help me what to do with it ,please !
Thx in advance !
I have exactlly same "problem". It's very usual problem and called "spikey pedal movement" or something. Sometimes the movement gets smoother if I just very fast slam the throttle pedal up and down. I have 6 months left of warranty, so I'll think I'm gonna change it to a new one... at least it should be enough to get a new pedals because it's so usual model issue.

[510N3D]

hi, first of all i gotta say i dont speak english usually, im having problems with my momo racing force wheel its a new product i bought it about 3 days ago. I tried first to just plug it on my pc whitout install cd driver and play.. everything was goiing find exept the ff led was off so the ff effect are not working, of course i tried all proper setting like verouillage du calibrage et retour de force (ff) at YES but nothing make the ff led on, then i tried to install de cd driver then i go in lfs the ff led light up but their was no more center force and the pedal wont work at all. i unistalled the proggram , started the game again and i get an error at the launch saying SetProperty Failed , i can start a race and enter, the wheel work but with the ff led off an pedal dont work. i tried the last driver at logitech team but still the same problemS :( thx for your help ps: i have usb2 port, windows xp an a powerfull pc sorry for the bad english and the long post

ok i try to exlpain as easy as possible:

1. you need the latest Software (4.60), only install it nothing more

2. go here:
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?p=3124704#post3124704 and try either the settings from tristancliffe (smoother but hard to drive)

or my settings http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9666 (more accurate and good to drive for me :) )

3. In case you have installed the software and found a good setting for the game, there is no Center Force like when you have no ForceFeedback. Thats ok because the faster you go, the more Center Force appears which is logical because you need only Center Force at higher speeds. At lower speeds, the forces gets less and you can control the car better.

4. Allways be sure that, while in Game the FF Light (right side) is on, if not press shift+C or simple turn FF in the Control Menu OFF and ON again. Calibrate/use all axis to maximum/minimum and than you should be able to drive and have fun :)

5. The pedals probable wont work because theres a Option where you can use the pedals either togehter or only one at a time. Which means you can either only brake or throttle at once or both together called "Tail Braking". Dont use the first one because you need to brake and throttle to get faster in many situations. This option can be set in the "Logitech Joystick settings and in the Game itself" be sure both is equal. And if the pedals still dont work go back to game, and behind the axis there is a button called "Invert" use this and it should work.

Hope this was a help. Good luck mate :tilt:

[iOL(Qc)]

ok i try to exlpain as easy as possible:

1. you need the latest Software (4.60), only install it nothing more

2. go here:
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?p=3124704#post3124704 and try either the settings from tristancliffe (smoother but hard to drive)

or my settings http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9666 (more accurate and good to drive for me :) )

3. In case you have installed the software and found a good setting for the game, there is no Center Force like when you have no ForceFeedback. Thats ok because the faster you go, the more Center Force appears which is logical because you need only Center Force at higher speeds. At lower speeds, the forces gets less and you can control the car better.

4. Allways be sure that, while in Game the FF Light (right side) is on, if not press shift+C or simple turn FF in the Control Menu OFF and ON again. Calibrate/use all axis to maximum/minimum and than you should be able to drive and have fun :)

5. The pedals probable wont work because theres a Option where you can use the pedals either togehter or only one at a time. Which means you can either only brake or throttle at once or both together called "Tail Braking". Dont use the first one because you need to brake and throttle to get faster in many situations. This option can be set in the "Logitech Joystick settings and in the Game itself" be sure both is equal. And if the pedals still dont work go back to game, and behind the axis there is a button called "Invert" use this and it should work.

Hope this was a help. Good luck mate :tilt:
thanks a lot for ur reply i did what u said an it all come right exept for the :LFS Wheel turn angle , in ur setting it was 240 degree, at 240 theire is too much sensibility and the ff goes crazy (shake from side to side) i setted it to 460 an its fine :D ok im goiing for sum wr now ;)

[510N3D]

hmm the Momo has 240° by default so i think you had to much force feedback. I use 100% in Logitech Software and 20% ingame and i think you had more then i set-up ingame but as long as it works now great to hear :thumb: have fun :tilt:

[Bob Smith]

OK, upgraded my system, formatted, reinstalled windows + drivers, everything working great, but the pedals on my momo have gone "all digital". i.e. on or off. Multiple driver removals/re-installs and system reboots not helping. Using v4.60 drivers.

At this stage, help appreciated.

Edit: the racing pedals update doesn't help either

[Bob Smith]

:sadbanana

[510N3D]

:sadbanana

whats the status bob? solved allready or got a new one?

[sgt.flippy]

Today I lost my force feedback in LFS, I have a DFP. Last week it still worked, I changed nothing in LFS, and now it stopped working. My force feedback works great in windows test thingy.

[510N3D]

did you allready tried shift+c?

[sgt.flippy]

yes, reboot too...

[510N3D]

hmm and if you install a clean lfs just to try ff there?

what about other games? same effect?

[sgt.flippy]

I'll try a fresh install. I don't really have any other game installed to try, racer stopped working a few days ago with some error I don't really care about and I don't have any other games installed...

I'm downloading LFS right now!

Redownloaded LFS, didn't work at first, tinkered a bit with windows settings of my wheel, and suddenly it started to work again. I just put all back to default settings, changed it again to what it was and it worked... Thanks for trying to help, appreciate it.

[Jakg]

I'll try a fresh install. I don't really have any other game installed to try, racer stopped working a few days ago with some error I don't really care about and I don't have any other games installed...

I'm downloading LFS right now!have any other controllers plugged in? if so make sure that LFS is sending the ff to the right one! and is ff on in lfs? you can check both of these in Options>Controllers>Axes/Force Feedback btw

[sgt.flippy]

have any other controllers plugged in? if so make sure that LFS is sending the ff to the right one! and is ff on in lfs? you can check both of these in Options>Controllers>Axes/Force Feedback btw

I already edited my post that it was fixed, but yes, I checked those ;) Like I said earlier today to my brother in law, I'm not a complete retard, just have some hunches :razz:

[BigDave2967]

I started to notice this myself, and it's become more common for the moment on my DFP.

When on a straight, on any car, I notice that the wheel is slightly turned, telling itself as it is infact straight, and because of it, it acts like that the whole race.. Does anyone have this problem? Is there a way to solve it to stop that from happening? I tried reinstalling the drivers, no change whatsoever, the wheel would act squint by inches on LFS.

Problem fixed.

[KSheppard]

I have a DFP, and whenever the wheel is central, it jerks and twitches from side to side.
It is not a simulation of the cars behaviour, I'd go into detail, but i'd rather just say it isn't, i'm positive. As soon as the wheel is no longer centered, the problem stops. I have the force feedback set to 200 in LFS, and have tried reducing it to get rid of the problem, but it has to be set down to below 25 before it is unnoticable, at which point the cars feel hugely over assissted. I was wondering if this has been encountered by anyone else?
I really don't want to have to turn my FF right down, but the straights are just so aggrevating when the wheel is twitching constantly. Even when parked up, it turns left and right, leaving my poor driver flailing his virtual arms.
In the wingman profiler, I have most of the settings on full also, except the centering srping is on 0% I think, im at work at the moment, but will check later, ive tried toying with these ad nauseum, and have just tried to deal with the twitching. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Sorry for the long post.

I got the same problem...going down the straights it's kinda like a really loose tie rod. Also i have to hit [esc] after a race to chat so the wheel won't jerk left/right...Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

[mrodgers]

My Momo always twitched when I first started running LFS (had Momo before LFS 2 yrs ago). I solved it by getting rid of the ridiculous 100%/100% FF in windows/LFS. I run 60%/35-50% in windows/LFS and it feels much more real and I feel more by using less. Folks complain about not feeling the curbs. I feel them. Other's don't feel them because of too high of FF setting and other stuff overpowering the suttle feelings.

[tomylee]

I have my Momo now about 2 month and I'm quite disappointed. After 3 month it is making a lot of platic noise while turning the wheel. To get the wheel right clibrated is not always easy and sometimes it takes a while. The break pedal is in the moment my big problem cause from time to time during the race it get's not back to 0. I do have all the little programm installed.

This wasn't the best experience and I'm going to exchange it. Hopfully the next will be better (not Momo).

[dewyl]

those wheels doesnt have problem,all you have to know with dfp is the wingman team site and use their program,and to know the button combinations... ;)

[tomylee]

I got all their programs but isn't really gone

[kaynd]

The pedal problem you describe may not be fixed by software. I had that too in my DFP (pretty same mechanism).
I found that, as a solution but I know that is not going to last for long. :(
Its the same problem with the accelerator pedal... http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e5.html

But the pedals still work fine after 2 months.:shrug:

[mrodgers]

The pedal problem you describe may not be fixed by software. I had that too in my DFP (pretty same mechanism).
I found that, as a solution but I know that is not going to last for long. :(
Its the same problem with the accelerator pedal... http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e5.html

But the pedals still work fine after 2 months.:shrug:
It's been since October of 2005 for me. For the axis tape fix. No problems what so ever. I have since had the holding nub on the potentiometer break on me. I superglued the pot in the holder and it's working flawlessly as well. I love my Momo. (Would rather have a G25, but I wouldn't replace the Momo with a DFP though.)

[Ondrejko]

hello :)

i am looking for the picture of Logitech DFP in open box. i have to return the wheel back to shop, but i dont know how to fit all parts to the box :shrug:

thanks for help :tilt:

[sgt.flippy]

hello :)

i am looking for the picture of Logitech DFP in open box. i have to return the wheel back to shop, but i dont know how to fit all parts to the box :shrug:

thanks for help :tilt:
Don't think they really care HOW you put it in the box, just try to fit everything in it :D

[tomylee]

and if not dont bring the box back

[The_Scifi]

I got the same problem...going down the straights it's kinda like a really loose tie rod. Also i have to hit [esc] after a race to chat so the wheel won't jerk left/right...Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!
I have the same problem also, and i realy cant find any "good" solution, alltough one thing that seemed to fix the thing was just simply turning off my logitech profiler, it doesnt twitch anymore, but i just cant see how this affects the game..

Not sure how helpfull this might be, but i think it might be worth trying atleast

[Mental One]

OK, I need help with my Momo wheel. The problem is with the steering sensitivity. I can obtain full lock at the slightest touch of the wheel . I use all default driver settings and have tried changing in game settings to no effect. I have noticed that when calibrating the axis turning the wheel obatins full lock both ways but the axis "bar graph" hardly moves.

Any one help me? :shrug:

[Alkanphel]

Hmm... Im having doubts on the MOMO... It's like... 240 degrees of rotation are just too unrealistic... one small touch can mean all the difference in the world... Tho it's easy to catch a slide, but i rather race with 720 or 900 degrees instead. They're more...Real-life ^^

[3000GTO]

Hi, i've just downloaded the demo of LFS, and i am using my logitech driving force pro wheel. This works perfectly with GTR as i have all the recent wingman patches. But for some reason the pedals do not function correctly, I have had to put up with a temporary fix, of using the accel pedal to reduce braking, and the brake pedal to increase it. Accel on the game is always at full. Is there anyway of making it so the accel pedal does the acceleration, and the brake pedal does the braking? Any help would be much appreciated :thumb:

[sgt.flippy]

In the options menu, where you adjust your wheel settings, there should be a button to invert the axis, that would solve the problem of constant throttle. For the other things, I guess you have to assign the right axes and make you sure you got everything set up right, and when I say that, I'm thinking about split axes, make sure split axes is tagged in your driver, and then also see if it's correctly tagged in LFS. I could add a pic, but I'm laizy :tilt:

[frokki]

My Momo always twitched when I first started running LFS (had Momo before LFS 2 yrs ago). I solved it by getting rid of the ridiculous 100%/100% FF in windows/LFS. I run 60%/35-50% in windows/LFS and it feels much more real and I feel more by using less. Folks complain about not feeling the curbs. I feel them. Other's don't feel them because of too high of FF setting and other stuff overpowering the suttle feelings.So true. When it comes to FF, less is more. I use 100% in Windows and 30-40% in LFS, dedpending on a car.

[3000GTO]

In the options menu, where you adjust your wheel settings, there should be a button to invert the axis, that would solve the problem of constant throttle. For the other things, I guess you have to assign the right axes and make you sure you got everything set up right, and when I say that, I'm thinking about split axes, make sure split axes is tagged in your driver, and then also see if it's correctly tagged in LFS. I could add a pic, but I'm laizy :tilt:

Managed to sort it out, thanks for your help :)

[PsyCro]

So ive come across a problem which i did not have before. Normally i have the F9-F12 keys mapped to the buttons on my DFP, and it has worked normally. Now it doesnt works anymore, and im not sure if its because of the new patch v or logitech profiler??
I tried remapping the keys in profiler a few different ways with no effect.. and the buttons on the DFP ARE in operation.

Any ideas?

[KSheppard]

dont know if this will help but...every now and then i get problems with the profiler and it helps to delete all the profile description files. i'm at work atm so i cant tell ya exactly where they live but I THINK -> c:/program files/logitech/profiler/games (or something similar to that) close the profiler before deleting and ALWAYS BACK 'EM UP FIRST! the default one should be recreated the next time you start the profiler...BE AWARE THAT THIS WILL MEAN YOU WILL NEED TO RE-MAP ALL THE PROGRAMMED KEYS.

The files you need to delete are pretty easy to find & identify but if in doubt DONT DO IT, wait till i get home & I'll post the exact files & their paths

[sgt.flippy]

You can delete the profiles through the profiler itself too...
Don't know what it's called in English, but the second pull down thingy on top, nexto "file..", there it says "delete".

[KSheppard]

true but will that delete the base file and force profiler to re-create a new one?

[sgt.flippy]

true but will that delete the base file and force profiler to re-create a new one?
No clue, my profiler is okay :D

[KSheppard]

Dad just had a momo problem, these are the files you gotta lose, anything that looks like this:

C:\Program Files\Logitech\WingMan Software\LWPGames.dat

1. BACK 'EM UP FIRST!!
2. YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BUTTON PROGRAMMING...make a note of 'em.
3. LWP=LogitechWingmanProfile

[PsyCro]

You can delete the profiles through the profiler itself too...
Don't know what it's called in English, but the second pull down thingy on top, nexto "file..", there it says "delete".


I tried that but didnt work,, ill try the first suggestion.. makes sense that a more 'hardcore' delete would do it.

Ill follow up...........

[PsyCro]

Dad just had a momo problem, these are the files you gotta lose, anything that looks like this:

C:\Program Files\Logitech\WingMan Software\LWPGames.dat

1. BACK 'EM UP FIRST!!
2. YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BUTTON PROGRAMMING...make a note of 'em.
3. LWP=LogitechWingmanProfile



Yep.. that did it. Thanks!
First i exported the profiles (i have 3 for LFS, 270,540,720 degrees settings).. deleted the dat file.. and then i imported the profiles again, without remapping and it works fine!

Damn windows based software.. always have strange problems, like small children design the software, or maybe its just programmers on a caffeine-high who cant see straight :really:

[KSheppard]

noproblemo! :thumb:

[niall09]

can someone please help me... i have a logitech driving force wheel, when i go into lfs and configure the buttons the accelerator or the brake wont respond.

ps. sorry if my grammar is bad im terrible at puting sentences together :)

[Linsen]

Are you sure that you've clicked on the button on top where it says "axes / FF"?

[niall09]

ya that worked... thanks alot :)

[RaceDoctor]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=18109

[frenchy0204]

Hi everyone,
i need some help please, my birthday is coming up soon, and as one of my presents, my dad is getting me a Logitech DFP, when i look on ebay, it says that the platform for the wheel is for PS2 yet i have seen that some of you guys use a DFP for LFS? i was just wondering if they do a DFP for PC or, does the DFP cables already come with a lead to plug it straight into your pc or does my dad have to buy an adapter? you know, those ps2 sockets that plug into your U.S.B?

thx

Frenchy

[Jakg]

it uses a USB plug so plugs straight into your PC

[frenchy0204]

it uses a USB plug so plugs straight into your PC



thank you jakg! very appreciated,

p.s nice avatar pic!

frenchy

[Racerboy534]

Help I Have Logitech G25 Wheel And I Cant Get It To Accept Pedals For Buttons Of Brake And Accelerate, Clutch On Wheel And Gearstick Work Please Help.

[ion]

hi, the momo wheel locks up when i try to race. In the options menue it works fine, and i have full control over the wheel on every setting, and when i tried to reconfigure it through the settings and hit ok, as soon as i hit ok, it locks up completely, limiting my steering movement to 5-10 % each direction, if that at all.. Is this a software or hardware issue?

[southernmutt]

ok guys bare with me..first if i dont understand what you tell me i do have somebody who is smart when it comes to computers..i can play on them..anyway,,
i bought a brand new momo racing wheeel setup tonight,,after reading this i did get my pedal problem sorted out,,so gas works,,brakes work.

but none of the button will work at all,,i have redid them on the profiler,,even uninstalled and reinstalled the wheel..still nothing,i played with all the buttons i could on the game,,still nothing..i did go and download the update from wingman...i been waiting for yrs to buy this wheel,,now would like to use it..also along with the buttons, i got no shifter.

thank you all so very much for any and all info..
billy

[southernmutt]

ok i got a new whell and it works with other games,,so will try this one again..

[ZORER]

Hello,
i don't know if this is a momo problem or a bug..

i think it was saturday i was doing practice on a server and my friend connected, he was watching me .. He said my throttle pedal didn't raise up to the very top where the white line appears, but i did see the white line everytime i full throttle...We thought it was something else like lag or etc..
And tonite i was on dtm qualifying and i was 4 seconds slower than the slowest guy on the grid. i didn't understand what was happening and started to play around with my setup. Then, one of the racers said that i wasn't doing full throttle.But my throttle bar did show the toppest part where the white line is and my turbo pressure did reach the end of the indicator.Anyway i disconnected and recalibrated my momo settings.Connected again and the same guy said it was ok now.

Is it the indicator or momo which is causing this???:shrug:

[Jakg]

sounds like the Momo to me

[slab]

need some serious help with my red momo force. stopped using it for a while, about a month or two, and now i've come round to using it again it's totally screwed up. when i connect it it doesn't automatically go round from left to right and then centre, it just makes some horribly loud buzzing noise, and the force feedback just doesn't work. it doesn't self centre properly, it will move around slightly (about 10 degrees) and then do nothing. and there is hardly any force in it when i turn the wheel, just makes that stupid noise even louder.

all i can do it disconnect the force feedback to make it usable. but i really want to get it working properly again, it's horrible to use without the force feedback, and as far as i'm concerned it's the best wheel out there and really don't want to replace it with anything else.

if anyone has had this problem before or knows how to fix it please tell me.

thanks.

[Mista Tea]

Hello everyone,

I was in a server in lfs and i saw some ppl talking about the momo going more then 270 degrees.
Can someone please tell me if its possible and if so can you tell me how please?

Mista Tea

[frokki]

Hello everyone,

I was in a server in lfs and i saw some ppl talking about the momo going more then 270 degrees.
Can someone please tell me if its possible and if so can you tell me how please?

Mista TeaHi Mista Tea!
As far as I know, you can't. The red momo turns 270 and black one 240 degrees.

[Mista Tea]

Thx, i use black one, thought it was 270 :( anyways thanks :).

Mista Tea

[anik360]

Hi Mista Tea!
As far as I know, you can't. The red momo turns 270 and black one 240 degrees.

its the opposite actually the red one has 240 and the black one has 270 (why i know all this cause i own the black one :p)

[kenyks324]

Can a Logitech MOMO wheel turn up to 720 degrees, or is the limit 270? My friend is bugging me about it if it is or not. He got me researching. So If there is a way then please tell me...









Thanks [TD]Nakazato

[Jakg]

it turns to 240

[FOG Daheee]

Hi guys new to LFS here, had rfactor for a long time so will be interesting to comapre the two.

Have been through these forums for a while however have been unable to find a solution to the following problem.

Got a DFP and when sitting in the pits or driving the wheel is always 5 degrees to the left. When in the controller setup screen i have to turn my wheel 5 degrees to the left to line up the marker on the centre.
I have the newest drivers from Logitech and have no issue with this in rfactor, can anyone help otherwise this game is undrivable.

Ty in advance.

[dcm_wc]

Dear Logitech Momo Wheel seniors , i have problem with my momo wheel . When i in middle on playing..the wheel suddenly out of calibration setting.the wheel not in middle or not like what i set it to be.please help me how to solve this problem.below is my recorded video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQkPPvB-FI

[scottidogg]

hey all, i have a driving force ex and no matter what i try i cant get my accelerator and brake pedals to work on lfs, they work on my other games but not this, can anyone help?

[mrodgers]

Dear Logitech Momo Wheel seniors , i have problem with my momo wheel . When i in middle on playing..the wheel suddenly out of calibration setting.the wheel not in middle or not like what i set it to be.please help me how to solve this problem.below is my recorded video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQkPPvB-FI

That is weird. I've never seen nor heard of anyone having a problem like what shows in the vid. The Momo being off-center is a common problem, but doesn't behave like that vid.

@scottidogg, read the hardware forum. Plenty of material there on how to set up the pedals. If you can't from the forum, then RTFM.

[dcm_wc]

That is weird. I've never seen nor heard of anyone having a problem like what shows in the vid. The Momo being off-center is a common problem, but doesn't behave like that vid.

@scottidogg, read the hardware forum. Plenty of material there on how to set up the pedals. If you can't from the forum, then RTFM.

ok..anyway,thanks

[hughesie89]

mmm when i got mine it was off centre to.

i downloaded a program that displayed the calibration data in raw view

here's what i did and you can try
download Clear Calibration Utility
which will clear the data then get
DXTweak which allows you to change calibration information and deadzone settings.

but i think i downloaded that one and it said wouldn't run on xp, i think off the top of my head the one i used is
DX Deadzone Application which allows you to set the deadzone of your wheel. also if you haven't already upgrade to direct x 8 might help
all the programs meantioned can be found here
http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm#Clear%20Calibration%20Utility:

go through them see if they help you in anyway

btw my wheel is a momo racing force haven't tested it on any other wheels

good luck

[dcm_wc]

thanks..i will try

[hungryhippolw]

I have tried to figure out why lfs doesn't respond to my pedals, even though the logitech gaming software console does. Anyone help me please?

[GabbO]

Have you assigned them correct in Options/controls?
Axis seperated/combined button correctly checked?
What doesn't work anyway, some more info would be nice

And enable axis bar display, then you can see what input lfs gets
from your controller

[Veslin]

Got the logitech formula force EX, new today :-) But my pedals doesnt work right.. its the wrong axis that is in use I think because a friend of my got gas/brake on Y axis, I got it on RZ axis... Someone help us here please..

[Watson02]

heya Guys and Girls

I have had a Logitech driving force steering wheel for a bout a month now:thumb: but ever since i got a lfs s2 liensce my car dont seem to be going fast enough:( like when i race and do drags everyone jus zooms off in the distant i got some videos of me drag racing but you'll have to put them in ur LFS>data>SPR file and watch them and tell me what could be wrong with it..

Sorry for the Bad english
bit i odnt how to make a winrar folder jus add me on msn please otaco99@msn.com

[mrodgers]

heya Guys and Girls

I have had a Logitech driving force steering wheel for a bout a month now:thumb: but ever since i got a lfs s2 liensce my car dont seem to be going fast enough:( like when i race and do drags everyone jus zooms off in the distant i got some videos of me drag racing but you'll have to put them in ur LFS>data>SPR file and watch them and tell me what could be wrong with it..

Sorry for the Bad english
bit i odnt how to make a winrar folder jus add me on msn please otaco99@msn.com
You can attach mpr and spr files directly to your post here....

[ctWO]

problem solved

[PioneerLv]

Dear helpers!

So, my MOMO RACING WHEEL defects from factory:

1.Double click when upshifting (shifter grabs springs when upshifting, i can feel it and hear it)

2. When wheel is on (in game, and Force Feedback is on) when i turn it to left or right it gives a crackles!

My wheel is 2 months old but 1 month driven!

I will return my MOMO back to shop! :(
---------------------------------

But that defects will not be after ~ 1 year with new MOMO?

All will be fine?

[penguinpwr]

Hello. I just got the demo and I'm trying to give sims a shot but am finding it very difficult to even play the thing lol. I hate the mouse, luckily (or so I thought) I have a momo force. After some frustration I got it installed and downloaded some support packs. The wheel itself works fine but I'm getting no pedal input whatsoever. I'm probably doing something stupid but I don't know what's wrong and I'm ready to toss something out the window :gnasher:. I know it works since I played it on ps2 a day ago. I have XP and a 2800 amd athlon if it helps. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[SilverArrows77]

Hello. I just got the demo and I'm trying to give sims a shot but am finding it very difficult to even play the thing lol. I hate the mouse, luckily (or so I thought) I have a momo force. After some frustration I got it installed and downloaded some support packs. The wheel itself works fine but I'm getting no pedal input whatsoever. I'm probably doing something stupid but I don't know what's wrong and I'm ready to toss something out the window :gnasher:. I know it works since I played it on ps2 a day ago. I have XP and a 2800 amd athlon if it helps. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Heres a link to a basic guide i did for setting up a momo mate :) give that a shot and see if it helps

http://www.airattack.co.uk/club/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=27922

sounds like maybe you havent assigned axes right for pedals, or maybe havent seperated the axes...anyway , follow that guide and hopefully you will have it working :)

[PioneerLv]

Hello there!

Yesterday i detected one problem with my MOMO brake pedal!
When i push brake pedal than they hawe like a ''dead zone''! :shrug:
It feels like that: Brake bedal spring starts work only after 1/4 pulling all pedal!

And i can hear knock when springs starts working!

And it is from yesterday! :schwitz:

There is some solutions?

[feat]

I Think u need to set new deadzones in LFS Options and in control panel . :nod:

[ogrus]

just instaled DFP with updated software, everything seems fine... when i launch the game, steering wheel turns but the car wont move, i
Please help!
thanks!


axis assignment issues....
Problem solved
all is fine

[feat]

Lol, i haved the same problem, that was just because that i assignet wrong axis. x]

[PT_Racer]

Hi there!

First of all, let me just say I am a big fan of your Game, LFS! :)

I was using a Logitech Formula Force to play the game, but today I managed to get my hands on, believe or not, an almost brand new Logitech MOMO Force (the original Red version).

Unfortunately I am having problems setting the MOMO Red Wheel in Game. For some reason, the Pedals are not recognized! The Car is always accelerating! :( I already tried to re-install the Game and the Drivers and the problems continues...

I was wondering if you could help me or guide me somehow. I dont think it's a Hardware problem, since in all other Games I have tried it, all is working ok!

Thanks for your time! My best regards,

[mcintyrej]

Hi there!

First of all, let me just say I am a big fan of your Game, LFS! :)

I was using a Logitech Formula Force to play the game, but today I managed to get my hands on, believe or not, an almost brand new Logitech MOMO Force (the original Red version).

Unfortunately I am having problems setting the MOMO Red Wheel in Game. For some reason, the Pedals are not recognized! The Car is always accelerating! :( I already tried to re-install the Game and the Drivers and the problems continues...

I was wondering if you could help me or guide me somehow. I dont think it's a Hardware problem, since in all other Games I have tried it, all is working ok!

Thanks for your time! My best regards,

Hi PT_Racer!

Have you checked your pedal settings in the Logitech Drivers? This link may help:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=493841#post493841

[Ryosuke_Gunma]

Oh my freaking god, this is seriously pissing me off. I couldn't play DFP correctly. It's turning so hard and it's so shaky from left to right. I'm using 900 degrees mode and I followed this option.
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2178816&postcount=1

Gosh, hopefully can someone help me. This is so stupid.

[the e rocker]

Oh my freaking god, this is seriously pissing me off. I couldn't play DFP correctly. It's turning so hard and it's so shaky from left to right. I'm using 900 degrees mode and I followed this option.
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2178816&postcount=1

Gosh, hopefully can someone help me. This is so stupid.

I think i have an idea of what might be happening...

Try turning your wheel from lock to lock ingame to calibrate it.

[PT_Racer]

Hi PT_Racer!

Have you checked your pedal settings in the Logitech Drivers? This link may help:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=493841#post493841


hey thnks now this works perfect thanks dud

[ArkkiEnkeli]

hey guys!! i have a minor problem regarding my g25 wheel.... .everything else works fine exept clutch-pedal.... i´ve tried pretty much everything in the game and profiler just does not want to work.... help would be appreciated.... :thumb: thanks in advance! and sry my bad spelling.....

[Eross]

i dont know if im missing something completey obvious but i cant assign my pedals for the DFP and they seem to be permanently on full trottle and full brake so in some way it knows their there i just cant assign then to the brake throttle button options.

help anyone?

[kaynd]

Did you try the invert button under the Axes/FF tab?

[Rocabiliz]

Hi guys

Maybe this as already been answered but i can't find it..

Can i use the F9 or F10 buttons on a wheel? E.G.: in G25, i wanna use the left button for the tyres (F9). Is this possible? If so, how? Thanks

[Not Sure]

Hi guys

Maybe this as already been answered but i can't find it..

Can i use the F9 or F10 buttons on a wheel? E.G.: in G25, i wanna use the left button for the tyres (F9). Is this possible? If so, how? Thanks

Logitech Profiler

[Rocabiliz]

Thanks m8! :thumb:

[banister]

Is there anyway to configure the DFP so the paddle shifts and the stick shifter are both in use at the same time?

Cheers.

[Kat0san]

I have major problems with my Logitech DFP wheel shaking during LFS which is doing me head in totally. I have read and tried everything on this forum and nothing seems to make any difference (reliably) at all except turning FF down to a level where its not fun to play. I find each time I play I need to tweak the settings in Wingman and LFS for over 30 mins, running this, running that, unplugging, reinstalling, checking etc to 'rarely' get it stable enough and just right to race. This has been going on for over a week now and the crazy thing is it seems to be completely random since last night it was as close to perfect as it gets but I plugged in again today and after 2 hours of on and off trying has been unplayable. I have never had this problem with any other Windows based or PS2 games with this wheel and am thinking the only solution is buying a wheel that is known to work flawlessly with LFS. Does anyone who has had this problem know a reliable fix (or technically speaking even why the wheel is thinking it needs to shake from side to side even stationary) or know of a quality type of wheel I can purchase that is just 'plug and play', has reasonably strong FF and is perfect for LFS with no need to keep tweaking every time I want to play?

[Kat0san]

I think I've finally found the solution to the common case of the wheel shakes (as above) Increase turning circle in both LFS to match what you have in Wingman (Tried from 90 - 180 - 270) Definately reduces it and you can pump up FF to a nice level. The smaller the turning circle the less FF you can have and vice versa. Much better now just need to understand wheel turn compensation better to tweak it once and for all. Hope this helps anyone who has what I described above :)

[nasoss]

hi..i have bought momo racing ffw and the second light on the wheel doesnt switch on!they told me this feedback:(....
why this light is off?all the cables are just fine ...
plz help
:thumb:

[Gnomie]

I never really looked at the LEDs (in fact I have some small pieces of tape to cover them since I think they're too bright). If you feel the FFB working, I wouldn't worry. :)

BTW my Momo just broke down on me. :( After only 1 week of use! I was driving just like normal when suddenly the FFB felt incredibly uneven. I thought I'd hit some invisible bump and ruined my suspension or something, but when I restarted it was still there. The smoothness of the resistance is gone, now it is very jagged and weird. And when I turn the wheel to it's maximum rotation I get this weird, continous humming sound. This doesn't only happen in game, but also on the Windows desktop. I've tried unplugging my power leads, changing the USB contact to the PC and turning the PC off and on, with no luck. I attached a video. To hear the sound I think you need to play it in Windows Media Player -- I couldn't hear sound in Winamp or VLC. :shrug:

This was quite a let down. Here's my complete wheel history:

1) Bought my first wheel back in 2004. This was a crappy one with no force feedback or anything, but it was fun nonetheless. After a while it refused to let me turn to the right. :shrug: So I returned it to the store in 2006. Thanks to the Norwegian laws the shop is required to provide an equal or better product in return if it breaks and they decide not to fix it. Since this wheel was out of production I got a

2) Logitech Formula Force EX in stead.

This kept going until about a month ago, when it started shaking uncontrollably when turning to the left or right more than 45 degrees. It was as if the FFB suddenly shut down for a fraction of a second before starting again with a loud bang, several times in a row. Totally unplayable. So I returned this to the store and got my

3) Logitech Formula Force EX # 2. And guess what? The exact same problem. This was the point where I had recently discovered LFS, so I was pretty annoyed that my new wheel didn't work either. But the guy at the store said it was a known issue and were happy to take it back. Then I decided I'd had enough of these wheels, and paid the extra $$ to get a

4) MOMO instead. This is the wheel that I've been using for the past week, with great success. Now I'm completely and utterly hooked to LFS, and the prospect of handing the wheel back to the store and waiting even further for a replacement really annoys me. But I see no other options.

I'm pretty pissed right now, as you can imagine.. is this just my bad luck, or do Logitech products generallly have a lot of errors??

[tarao]

I have a logitech wingman formula force prety old, and I lost the drivers. Without them, the wheel seems to work prety well, but for some reason, after a few turns the accelerator seems to fail, and pressing it till the bottom doesnt fully fill the accelerator bar. I searched for drivers but the ones in the logitech website are for the ex version of the wheel, and they cant detect my wheel. I don´t know what to do. Can someone help me?

[UncleBenny]

the brakes and the wheel still work fine though?

[tarao]

Yes, everything works fine at the begining of the race, the accelerator too but after a few turns I feel I have lost throttle, and I open the options while racing and see that the acceleration bar, with the pedal to the bottom only makes half a bar or something more when at the beginning of the race worked perfectly and made the top.

I have reserarched the net trying to find some drivers for my old wheel for Windows XP but I have found none, and the web linked in the first post of this thread seems down.

[UncleBenny]

try here:

http://www.dirfile.com/downloadnow_logitech-wingman-formula_freeware.html

edit: nope, looks like that first link doesn't work either, try this:

http://www.opendrivers.com/freedownload/240043/logitech-wingman-series-wheels-driver-5.01.256-windows-xp-vista-download.html

[tarao]

It doesn't work. The only driver there is the same that´s in the logitech website, and it doens´t detect my wheel. I supouse my wheel is too old, but it´s a shame because is a very good wheel, and I haven´t used it at all.

[K.A.M.I.K.A.Z.A]

Hello pjupils..I am from croatia and my englsh is not god..so sorry if I wrote somenthing wrong..:)
Here we go..i have a logitech g25 racing wheel and on controls is on the 900 degreed and it spins in the game for 900 degrees but I cant turn the wheel for that much..I see that you alredy give some ling and other stufs but i dont understand it good:schwitz:..

So can you please help me..I would be very gratefull..

[pom456]

first thing, there is no 900 degree car in lfs, you can change it for 720 degree and it should be Ok !! , maybe change it to 540degree for GTR car, but i let it to 720 and i did'nt have any problem !!

[feat]

Hi peeps.

I have MOMO Racing Wheel, and the problem is, like, the wheel is pretty damn good, but it haves just one problem, at least for me.
When i turn wheel pretty normal its ok, but when i make fast understeer ( Tur wheel from left side to right side or otherways ) it sticks. :/

Help ?

[feat]

Do i need to make another stupid Topic to get some suggestions or ar least words ''I dont know'' ?

[sgt.flippy]

I don't know.

[TONI_PT]

Is there a possibility to damage somehow a ffb wheel by increasing the ffb steps in the LFS config file to lets say 512? in a previous post in this thread i saw that someone sayd that if we increased the value from 128 to 256 the dfp would provide more feedback. My value was 256 not 128 so i increased it to 384, i'm not sure if its better so i was thinking to try 512 as the value for ffb steps?

I'm assuming it is some kind of ffb frame rate(in retrieving real time phisics information)...can some one explain what it is in concrete? and also wich values can we experiment and is it safe to do so?

Edit: i am using a dfp 900º


Thanks in advance

[Lola GT]

It doesn't work. The only driver there is the same that´s in the logitech website, and it doens´t detect my wheel. I supouse my wheel is too old, but it´s a shame because is a very good wheel, and I haven´t used it at all.

I have the old red Formula Force, and I'm on Vista which somehow searched and found a working driver.

The logitech profiler doesn't support this wheel anymore, however.

I have no problem setting up in LFS fine, but I have the force feedback problem at center, which won't let me hold a straight line down any long straight. The slight twitch back and forth pushes me out of the draft and makes it difficult to set up a correct line entering corners, silly. I am putting off buying a license since my driving experience isn't worth spending the money at the moment. I have changed some settings in LFS options but with little positive effect(Barring turning the FF off or reducing it to very little..what's the point then?).
Too bad, the wheel works fine, just not in LFS.

[Sueycide_FD]

for some reason when i installed the logitech vista 32 bit drivers, my gas pedal was reconigzed as brake and the brake pedal didnt do anything. the wheel part worked perfectly but the pedals were a pain. before i installed the drivers, it worked perfectly. i pratically missed a event because of this :arge:


EDIT: Fixed. Found solotion in Wiki

[feat]

I guess i got to post my problem here, but im about 90 percent sure, that noone will answer ... again.
Well, this really shocked me, lol.
After i raced about couple mins in CTRA server, i saw, that in to slow on straights ..
It was just so mutch that i started to think about something, that i saw months ago.
I turned on LFS Options / Controls / Axis .. AND YES! Ofcourse. Acceleration axis wasnt going for 100%, IMO some 90%. So im pretty dissapointed on my momo, and im very scared that it's not just profiler or patch problem. :schwitz:
Any suggestions ? I already downloaded some patch for pedals, it says that it fixes these problems, but nothing. :shrug:
Please help guys.

Cheers, feat.

[feat]

Bump :

Damn, guys. I'm so happy, that i fixed this problem. :trampolin
Well, i could explain this for guys, which have the same problem.

Ok, the idea is to move deadzone a little bit to min. :)
So, we download DXTWEAK programm from wingmanteam.com and just play around with settings in ''Acceleration'' menu and here you go, viola !
YAY, back to racing streets. :D

[Tonttula]

hi..i have bought momo racing ffw and the second light on the wheel doesnt switch on!they told me this feedback:(....
why this light is off?all the cables are just fine ...
plz help
:thumb:

I have a MOMO too i had that same problem but i fixed it here is how:

First make sure you have the newest logitech profiler installed.

Second thing is before you start playing lfs you have to change some settings in the logitech profiler first open it up then selec options > global device settings then after that put these settings:
Overall Effects Strength 101 %
Spring and Damper effects 0%
Then uncheck the option "Enble Centering Spring in Forcefeedback games and put the effect on 0 % and the last is uncheck the combined pedals option.

Then after that stat lfs go to options axes then you have to check that are your pedals inverted if you see that the brake and gas pedal are on full and your not pushing them press the invert button.

And thats all :laola:

[suomitoisia]

Hi! does someone know why doesn't lfs detect my MOMO racing wheel's pedals at all. i can't put the buttons for accel of brake because it doesn't seem to find them at all or something, i tried to take a look at the logitech profiler but i couldn't find anything. can't finda anything from the wingman website either.

thanks in advance!

[feat]

Did you set pedals as axis, not buttons ?
Then set them up @ Controller > Axis setup.

[suomitoisia]

i can't find such section as controller nor axis setup, note that i'm using newest possible logitech profiler, if there is other setup programmes.

[VALE 46]

Seeing as no one replied in the patch Z thread... My DFP has no FFB since installing the new patch, on loading the game i get the message...

""CreateEffect failed (1 axes)
Could not set up FF steer device"

Anyone have any idea how to solve this?

[paulinho]

So does anyone have a really nice setting for the Logitech G25, as mine seems to suffer from the wheel shake problem but on a large scale.
If I take one hand off the wheel whilst going along it starts to shake like mad, which isn't realistic.

Thanks

[riffman12]

hey everyone,

So i've had my DFP for about a year now and it has always worked perfectly until now.

I plug in my pedals, plug in my power, and plug the wheel into my pc and open the wingman software.

usually the wheel self-calibrates and whatnot...but this time it just sits there

the left LED is blinking and the right LED is not illuminated. The computer is registering it's there...but i can't calibrate it and it's not working with any games.

Please Help!!!!

[kaynd]

It seems like the power supply is not working. (Blinking left led) Check if the power cable is actually placed in a working power socket.
:shrug:

[riffman12]

yeah I've tried multiple sockets. I don't get it :(

[kaynd]

Maybe then it’s a problem of the PSU unit? or maybe the cable has worn out?
I don't know if you are able to check the psu output to see if it works properly:(

The DFP is an old wheel but it had 2 years warranty when it was still available at the market.
Check if you can send it back for replacement.

[dami1968]

Seeing as no one replied in the patch Z thread... My DFP has no FFB since installing the new patch, on loading the game i get the message...

""CreateEffect failed (1 axes)
Could not set up FF steer device"

Anyone have any idea how to solve this?

Today I had the same problem installing the new logitech 5.02 driver for the g25. I solved it uninstalling all the logitech software and running this application (LWS_CLRC.EXE) find it in http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/print?board.id=steering_wheels&message.id=3629&page=1&format=page that removes all the existing calibrations of the windows register.
Then re-install the wheel software and it´s fixed.