Test Patch Z13 (online compatible)

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST

NOTE : THE VW SCIROCCO IS NOT INCLUDED


Hello Racers, here is a new Test Patch : Z13.

It is online compatible with version Z.
You can view hotlap replays made in version Z.

ABS brakes have been added to 5 cars (as a setup option) so for now you cannot upload hotlaps made in Z13.

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from version Z so you can go back to Z if there are any problems.


Changes in TEST PATCH Z13 :

New message from host replaces "Did not receive guest info"
Progress indicator for skin downloads while joining a host
Improved order of sort by version number in List of Hosts
Unlock screen clear button to remove name and password
Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage
Blue and yellow flags removed from cruise mode
Removed Español Latino translation

FIX : LFS could crash when many cars were in view (e.g. during MPR)
FIX : Vista 64 power save switched off monitor in full screen mode
FIX : No response in List of Hosts after failing to join a host
FIX : Lightmap (lighting on cars) was positioned inaccurately
FIX : Follower view angle setting changed when LFS restarted
FIX : Closing X connects (message in List of Hosts screen)
FIX : Shine on wheels flickered while editing wheel colour
FIX : ABS now works in reverse

KNOWN ISSUES :

LX4 number plate goes through spare tyre

Changes from Z to Z10 :

Updated wheels on Formula BMW
Implemented ABS brakes in XRG / RB4 / FXO / XRT / FZ5
Improved wheel drawing system including rotating brake discs
Improved shadows - sharper and ambient shadow effect now included
InSim : New packets to start / search replays and take screenshots
InSim : Traction Control and ABS are now reported in IS_NPL packet
FIX : Mouse steering was stuck on full lock after minimising window
FIX : Player name was wrong in entry screen on entry or after replay
FIX : Added checks to prevent guests joining with no user name or ID
FIX : OOS starting race after joining autocross host in entry screen


DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Z to Z13 (Version Z must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Z_TO_Z13.exe (1.9 MB)

DEDICATED HOST Z13 (non-graphical version for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Z13.zip (1.6 MB)

[Andrei221]

Nice work, Scirocco is getting closer.

[Tomba(FIN)]

Thanks scawen..

[The Very End]

Good stuff, thanks Scawen :)

[jwardy]

Progression is a good thing , no matter what speed its at
keep up the good work :thumb:

[aroX123]

yay Thx o' mighy! :thumbsup:

[geeman1]

FIX : Vista 64 power save switched off monitor in full screen modeTested this and now it works correctly. :thumb:

[TexasLTU]

Thank you!

[DevilDare]

Thanks Scawen!!!

Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage

Is that somehow connected to that video "Your doing it wrong way"? :D

[Trekkerfahrer]

Hey, just checked new things and there is one critic:

the direction arrow is a good thing, but its hard to see this small thingy... can you make it blinking green/grey?

and i found a thing on blackwood in the corner after split 2... looks like no texture there, dont know if its since Z13.... screenie attached.

i found no more things so far now ;)

[Aid]

what happened to shift+u custom view? space button dissables maps/hud but doesnt show camera control buttons also my g25 input has some delay anybody has similar effects?

maybe the delay is normal as usual.. not sure.. just seems to be different but maybe i'm seeing things, i tried bf1 and sometimes i had this feeling before so i take that back

[geeman1]

the direction arrow is a good thing, but its hard to see this small thingy... can you make it blinking green/grey?
I agree on this one. The arrow seems to be quite small and hard to notice. Maybe it should be some other color than grey and a bit bigger.

[Aid]

shift+u works in single player no controls in multiplayer though

hmm... weird... i joined another server and controls appeared then i rejoin previous and they are gone again the only difference was they are gone on password protected server

[aroX123]

...
Been a long time my friend :tilt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xOjvp2mqc4&feature=channel_page
I made this video 1,3 years ago.
I dont know if scawen even looked at it when i posted. but lets hope he does now. :razz:

[DarkTimes]

Hey, just checked new things and there is one critic:

the direction arrow is a good thing, but its hard to see this small thingy... can you make it blinking green/grey?
Yes, I personally find the gray arrow quite hard to see.

[Bean0]

Can the arrow colour be changed in the menu like the text/dial/etc colours ?
I'd look myself but no LFS here at work.

[nesrulz]

Thx Scawen, nice test patch and fixes. :thumb:

[Scawen]

Yes, I personally find the gray arrow quite hard to see.It's not really supposed to be a high visibility thing - it's so that in those occasional cases when you join a track and you think "Which track am I on? Which way should I go?" you can start to move and look for the arrow.

[BlackEye]

Can the arrow colour be changed in the menu like the text/dial/etc colours ?
I'd look myself but no LFS here at work.

Yes, it's on the same sliders as "Central text color" (options-display) :thumb:

[Scawen]

Been a long time my friend :tilt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xOjvp2mqc4&feature=channel_page
I made this video 1,3 years ago.
I dont know if scawen even looked at it when i posted. but lets hope he does now. :razz:Yes, I know the track shadow rendering needs a big improvement, it looks quite messy and wrong in places - shadows where there shouldn't be any, and none where there should be one.

[Aid]

did more testing i have same problem with Z so it's all false alarm :) sorry

[alex_du_77]

The arrow is still visible in the pit lane when you look left or right.

[Fuse5]

did more testing i have same problem with Z so it's all false alarm :) sorry

press space to enable the controls when in Shift+u mode.

[UnknownMaster21]

Oh! Nice, have to test that right now

[Aid]

Fuse5 thats the whole problem - i always use that so i know how to do it:) but this time when i pressed space it was not showing the controls but did exactly same thing as shift-f - hide all onscreen info anyway it looks like it's a problem from the past and doesn't affect this patch directly so it's false alarm;) that was 1st thing i've noticed after running z13 so i panikced;) because i've never had this problem before

[Feffe85]

i like the improvements that came with z13, but still, for the love of god, dont understand why ABS blocks wheel-lock-ups when standing still..

i would like to see a setting where u could change the minimum speed @ which the ABS starts working. i mean.. when going forward/backward, when coming under a certain speed the wheels lock. but not when standing still, braking hard and trying to do a burnout...

oh well... every little piece of improvements is still improvements.. :) thnx Scawen!

[hotmail]

Yes, I know the track shadow rendering needs a big improvement, it looks quite messy and wrong in places - shadows where there shouldn't be any, and none where there should be one.

Do you want us too find as many places where the track shadow is not correct. or is there no need to find all the places ?:scratchch:smileypul

[Byku]

Tried mprs which freezed my pc, works great:thumb:. Thanks a lot :D. Grey arrow is good thing :). It's also good that it isn't bigger :p, just a small pointer is enough.

[Scawen]

Do you want us too find as many places where the track shadow is not correct. or is there no need to find all the places ?:scratchch:smileypulNo, I need to rewrite the whole shadow rendering system at some point so all previous reports of specific shadow issues would be irrelevant.

[aroX123]

No, I need to rewrite the whole shadow rendering system at some point so all previous reports of specific shadow issues would be irrelevant.
Ow, poor you! Ask if you need any help! (not with the coding but anything else) :thumb:

[UnknownMaster21]

Yup! :thumb: No Problems here at all, only the LX4 one but we all know that.

Excellent

[Kid222]

Good patch, works flawlessly here.:thumb: Only one thing.. that new pit direction arrow, is it possible to make it optional? It's not really THAT necessary, at least for me. Though it is good help for newbies, it's looks kinda unreal for me.

But keep it up, can't wait for more new things.:)

[boyracer1981]

i hav installed the test patch dedi files on one of my test servers but they are only showing Z10 versions when the server is patched to Z13

[Scawen]

I don't think there is a problem with the dedicated host's version number - I think you have run the wrong exe - maybe you installed the dedicated host in the wrong place?

[aroX123]

Dunno if it is a bug or something but look:

[boyracer1981]

I don't think there is a problem with the dedicated host's version number - I think you have run the wrong exe - maybe you installed the dedicated host in the wrong place?

doh stupid auto patcher on the server installed in wrong folder

Sorry
all ok now

Edit: All storm-server can patch to Z13 if they wish

[Shadowww]

Progress indicator for skin downloads while joining a host:heart:

[The Very End]

Anyone with LFS accessability atm that can upload a picture of the skin progress bar please? :)

[Vegas Las]

Anyone with LFS accessability atm that can upload a picture of the skin progress bar please? :)

It's same indicator when you watch a .mpr or .spr

For example : Skins downloads : 0/28

[BlackEye]

Anyone with LFS accessability atm that can upload a picture of the skin progress bar please? :)

There you go
83761

[UnknownMaster21]

Dunno if it is a bug or something but look:

I think it is only an error, I think there have changed cars exactly same time as you updated a list, so that's why it is still showing those.

[The Very End]

It's same indicator when you watch a .mpr or .spr

For example : Skins downloads : 0/28

There you go
83761

Thank you :)

[Ovidiu23]

I've expected for a little more content after 5 months of hard working, but better next time. :) No problems so far.

[ACCAkut]

I've expected for a little more content after 5 months of hard working, but better next time. :) No problems so far.

Scawen did some major code patching, and like always the Devs want to release as much new/changed content as possible in one incompatible patch.

[NotAnIllusion]

Compatible patch is compatible.. for a reason.

ontopic: no issues for me yet :)

[phoenixIlooka]

Hey!

Did you ever use a female-body as driver?
test it with LX4 and watch the bottom of the car / under the car ;-)
No LFS here at work but maybe someone other can make a pic :-)

[John5200]

Nice work, Scirocco is getting closer.
the fact that z12 had the scirocco makes me think the other way:D
Scawen did some major code patching, and like always the Devs want to release as much new/changed content as possible in one incompatible patch.
oh yeah, i remember the y test patches.... imo weeks i had the fbm but there where 4-5 (nearly empty) server. i think its much better that way
Hey, just checked new things and there is one critic:

the direction arrow is a good thing, but its hard to see this small thingy... can you make it blinking green/grey?

and i found a thing on blackwood in the corner after split 2... looks like no texture there, dont know if its since Z13.... screenie attached.

i found no more things so far now
known till... i think one of the first y test patches
Hey!

Did you ever use a female-body as driver?
test it with LX4 and watch the bottom of the car / under the car ;-)
No LFS here at work but maybe someone other can make a pic :-)

also known

[yamakawa]

Good stuff,Thx Scawen:thumb:

However, the arrow is garbled.
I checked all the languages, therefore Japanese, Chinese, and Korean were garbled.

Anyway keep UP:thumbsup: the Good Work!

[baSh0r]

What an extraordinary progress we are having here :D

[John5200]

The arrow is still visible in the pit lane when you look left or right.
true! even if you enter the pits for example in the next lap...
btw... while looking to the side while leaving the pits, the indicator will disapear:shrug:

here a vid to showing it. (http://de.xfire.com/video/b483d/)

[SamH]

true! even if you enter the pits for example in the next lap...
btw... while looking to the side while leaving the pits, the indicator will disapear:shrug:

here a vid to showing it. (http://de.xfire.com/video/b483d/)

Watching that vid, it makes perfect sense to me. You're facing the pit wall and the arrow indicator points towards the exit. You look right and it disappears because the exit isn't into the pit wall. You drive facing the direction of the exit and the arrow is gone. You look right and the arrow reappears, pointing towards the exit. No bug. :shrug:

[John5200]

Watching that vid, it makes perfect sense to me. You're facing the pit wall and the arrow indicator points towards the exit. You look right and it disappears because the exit isn't into the pit wall. You drive facing the direction of the exit and the arrow is gone. You look right and the arrow reappears, pointing towards the exit. No bug. :shrug:
lolz i fail! i checked it and looked into the other direction and you´re right:schwitz:

but imo.. i know that im driving straight :shrug:

[SamH]

lolz i fail! i checked it and looked into the other direction and its right:schwitz:

but imo.. i know that im driving straight :shrug:

Okay, look at it another way.. the arrow is simple confirmation of the direction you're supposed to go. You have 3 points of view.. front, left and right. You quickly change between them and in there, somewhere, is an arrow pointing to the exit. That's all you need. And if you're going in the right direction, and looking that way too, there's no need for an arrow.

[Gabriel B.]

That progress seems nice. I tested it as well as in online as in offline, but i think i have a problem: when i tried to join a specific host, LFS crashed 2 times (at the same host). Iff i'll try again, i'm pretty sure this thing will repeat.
This didn't happen in Z10.:x
I'll get Z10 exe again, i hope that'll work:(

And BTW that host was z3 if it has any importance.

[Scawen]

I've expected for a little more content after 5 months of hard working, but better next time. :) No problems so far.Well, I haven't been working hard on LFS for 5 months, as many people know I moved house and it took a long time to set things up properly before getting back to work properly (because I wanted to set things up nicely in our new house). However, other work has also been going on, on things that have not been released. I expect some good releases this year.

That progress seems nice. I tested it as well as in online as in offline, but i think i have a problem: when i tried to join a specific host, LFS crashed 2 times (at the same host). Iff i'll try again, i'm pretty sure this thing will repeat.
This didn't happen in Z10.:x
I'll get Z10 exe again, i hope that'll work:(Please let us know if it does turn out to be reproducible, and if so, which host it was you were trying to join. Also if you can give us a crash address, in some cases the bug can be traced (if the crash is in LFS.exe).

Okay, look at it another way.. the arrow is simple confirmation of the direction you're supposed to go. You have 3 points of view.. front, left and right. You quickly change between them and in there, somewhere, is an arrow pointing to the exit. That's all you need. And if you're going in the right direction, and looking that way too, there's no need for an arrow.Yes. And maybe interestingly, the reason I did it by view direction instead of car direction is because it did look quite strange the arrow pointing in the wrong direction when a sideways view was selected, and in the opposite direction when reverse view was selected.

[senn]

just tried it here on 3 hosts, Z, Z3 and Z10, nothing noted.

[Dj-Aeri]

I'm having this bug with the left wheel of the FXO since Z10.

[senn]

IIRC thats just a gfx thing, not a test patch related bug. i'm pretty sure...

[Hoshimodo]

No probs/glitches noticed by now on two different machines

[Dj-Aeri]

IIRC thats just a gfx thing, not a test patch related bug. i'm pretty sure...

Sorry, I don't understand you well. Are you saying that the error is from my gfx card? but I don't have this bug with Z patch.

[Bean0]

Sorry, I don't understand you well. Are you saying that the error is from my gfx card? but I don't have this bug with Z patch.

It is a known bug, not a problem at your end :)

[Dj-Aeri]

A ok, Thanks.:)

[Krammeh]

Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage


Could this be shown with /cruise yes, please.

[senn]

i seem to recall that bug first being reported about the same time as Anti Aliasing was introduced (along with the white lines that appear in the track @ the texture joins. I could be wrong tho, anyone confirm?

[Shadowww]

Could this be shown with /cruise yes, please.
Your LTC Demo server forces to drive wrong way in BL1 pits. So it will be wrong.

[Krammeh]

Your LTC Demo server forces to drive wrong way in BL1 pits. So it will be wrong.

I know, it's not meant to, wrong track config :P

[BlakjeKaas]

However, other work has also been going on, on things that have not been released. I expect some good releases this year.
Thanks for the good news! :)

[N I K I]

woohoo, dev's back in action \o/

[EliteAti]

I cant get in S2 for some reason, just had to re-unlock my LFS, then when it was activated, i joined a server and it said - Server is S2 - :wtf2:

E: Fixed by itself..

[Kristjan.J]

Thank you. :thumbsup:

[Ovidiu23]

Well, I haven't been working hard on LFS for 5 months, as many people know I moved house and it took a long time to set things up properly before getting back to work properly (because I wanted to set things up nicely in our new house). However, other work has also been going on, on things that have not been released. I expect some good releases this year.

I'm sure about that... by that post I've just wanted to make you tell us some words about other things you're working on LFS.:D Just wanted too look dissapointed, I ain't.

[superstix]

Nice work, thanks :)

[Michael Denham]

Everything works well here. I checked all the fixes and they all work for me, no issues.

[Andrei221]

Everyting works here too. You can now release Scirocco :P.

[Ripley]

As simple as the idea is, the arrow for exiting pits really is a great little feature. Even experienced LFSer's can join a server and suddenly question themselves over whether the track was standard or reveresed...
Or even worse, I often sit in the pit and don't remember which track configuration I'm on, (in order to choose the correct setup).
Many times, if not always, I query LFSWorld for my PB, so I get the answer with the track's ID, then get back in the garage.
I think this is mostly due to the different "codenames" ("BL1" for setups, and "BlackWood GP" on server list).
Ok, we all know Blackwood, but when I'm on the other tracks (Fern Bay, South City...), I just don't know if, for example, Fern Bay Green is FE1, 2, 3 or whatever...

Maybe another area to be improved with a clever little idea ???

[mxpxun]

Found bug

[senn]

yeah re producable 8800GT alpha dog Core2 duo 1.8ghz

I dunno how important it is tho, it disappears only if you're in the right spot.

[Shadowww]

yeah re producable 8800GT alpha dog Core2 duo 1.8ghz

I dunno how important it is tho, it disappears only if you're in the right spot.
Eeeexcuse me?

[mcintyrej]

Eeeexcuse me?

Its the graphics card, a 5 second google would have avoided a spam post in a thread Scawen is most likely email notified to.

Same bug for me, also - I'm having some LOD issues. Even though I have all my settings to the max, I get quite dramatic object spawning infront of me, if I'm at one end of the westhill straight and start to drive down it, the fence appears around me and the objects such as cones and tires by the track also appear.

[bunder9999]

Eeeexcuse me?

spam much? learn to google.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZ0-tDAbC0

[mxpxun]

Please note the fire extinguishers
P.S. sry for video quality :shy:

[aroX123]

Please note the fire extinguishers
P.S. sry for video quality :shy:
saw it.


Broring to have the same look in every pit. should be like, green on that one, yellow on that one, or something like that. And at the top at the pit, there's allways a name in reallife, so when online server that could be it. Show your name on the top of the pitbox and inside the pit.

[John5200]

Please note the fire extinguishers
P.S. sry for video quality :shy:
thats umm not realy test patch related.... i know that since y and there was one (or more) reports in the bug section. :shy:And at the top at the pit, there's allways a name in reallife, so when online server that could be it. Show your name on the top of the pitbox and inside the pit.
nKPro :schwitz:

EDIT: woops it shows your name only on the car, not at the pit :(
http://www.netkar-pro.com/gallery/picture22.jpg
http://www.netkar-pro.com/gallery/picture1.jpg

[Danny LFS]

Thanks! I can see the official version each time closer with each new test patch!;)

[Shotglass]

theres a long standing issue with restarting from replays
the time interval between pressing shift+r and the race restarting gets scaled with the replays playback speed causing a restart from a replay running in slow motion to take ages

[pearcy_2k7]

This is good for the community, i didn't look here first, i looked at general chat and saw a thread called "Woohoo" everyone seemed to have perked up and i had a slight thought why are they so happy? Then i thought test patch might be out and it was. So yes this has made a noticeable difference in the community, thanks.

[NightEye]

Blue and yellow flags removed from cruise modeIt would be even better to have them on, but work properly.
When driving the correct way the flags work, but when driving the other way around the track, blue and yellow are somewhat (not quite) switched. If it would reckognise that there's a car ahead no matter what direction you're driving; that would be great.

Nice updates Scawen, good improvements :thumb:

Still waiting for orange text colour though ;)

[zeugnimod]

What do you need blue and yellow flags for in a cruise server?

Those flags are for racing. :shrug:

[trebor901]

exactly you dont have blue and yellow flags waving on the real road to tell you a car is coming the other way lol

[james12s]

As simple as the idea is, the arrow for exiting pits really is a great little feature. Even experienced LFSer's can join a server and suddenly question themselves over whether the track was standard or reveresed, only to then look like a fool and turn out of garage the wrong way (yes we have all done it at some point :P). So a welcome improvement indeed.

yh totally agree, im pretty good at doing that as the ufbr guys know lol.

ive had a little run of z13 and have found nothing wrong so far, will keep testing

well done scawen, no matter what people say about time since last update, youve had alot of things on your plate and youve done well :)

[biffenjohansson]

When is the scirocco coming?

[Blues]

When is the scirocco coming?

When it's ready

[biffenjohansson]

How long its take?

[SamH]

This is the test patch thread. Do you have a bug to report, biffenjohansson? If not, please refrain from posting.

[teedot]

How long its take?
a long as they want, stop spamming the test patch thread.

[brt900]

great work been on a few severs and no problems its a ok here

[Shadowww]

great work been on a few severs and no problems its a ok here
Same.

Only sometimes LOD's are switching at low distances, but that's not a big problem.

[Vitr]

Many thanks for this patch :thumb:
Finally i cant turn of power safe on my vista x64 :laola:

[Vegas Las]

I'm having this bug with the left wheel of the FXO since Z10.

I have the same thing, my GC is a 9800GT, and you ?

[Shadowww]

I have the same thing, my GC is a 9800GT, and you ?
Same, GIGABYTE GeForce 9800GT 1GB, driver version 185.85.

[senn]

the holes in the wheels are not a bug.

[Vegas Las]

Same, GIGABYTE GeForce 9800GT 1GB, driver version 185.85.

Last drivers too, weird :/
I'm coming to try another settings in the Nvidia configurations...

[mkinnov8]

Sorry if I've missed it, this arrow on leaving the pits.. is it/will it be optional with a /command or an option within options etc?

Its not a big issue, but its not exactly difficult to discover if you are leaving the pits in the correct direction or not.

Thanks!

[ADOLF1612]

Well since some time ago i´m experiencing a lot of crashes on LFS, it crashes just after 3-5 Minutes AFTER LEAVING PITS, only happens since Z10, The worst part is that my PC shuts Down and I cant get a Crash log :(, btw in the window´s blue screen that appears after these crashes, it shows the Tecnical Info, allways the same, i wrote it, it´s a lot of Different numbers, a load of Zeros and different numbers in the last part of each one, this is what i Got (sorry for the NOOBness on programing and stuff...)

*** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x01000000, 0x00000002, 0x00000001, 0x806E5A2A)

Thats all.

Also in the top of the screnn it says: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
I know that message appears when there´s some Driver Compatibility problems, I dont know anything else and i dont think that this can help.

PD: Somebody knows Why My Windows isnt saving any Crash log? i searched for ´em and i cant get even one, can anybody help me with this?.

[bunder9999]

i've only seen that error (irql not less or equal) with overheating computers... i doubt lfs is completely responsible. :shrug:

[ADOLF1612]

It isnt overheating: cheked the Temperature: 45º Celcius In Graphics card and 51º in CPU, and it happened me once with my previous Graphic card (a Nvidia GeForce 6200 New out of the box, i sold it coz that).

And i just got annother crash, again i cant get a crash report, just the adress on the windows blue screen, btw it was different, here it is:

*** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x9D074060, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x80521798)

Tryed Normal Patch Z and it didnt happened, and something i Missed: It only Happens in MultyPlayer Mode During a race, spectating is annother case.

EDIT: Something even more weird: i´m using Z10 since it showed up and I didn´t got any problems so far, since a month ago I think, so it isnt an only Z13 problem...

[scania]

Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage<<not work for chinese version

[Zdenek CZE]

Good work:thumb:. Thank you for the patch.

[Shadowww]

To guy with BSoD: Check your drivers. I had this time a long ago, when I had something like FX5200. LFS was crashing every 5-10 mins. I didn't knew about LFS forum yet, so I tried reinstalling drivers myself - updating GFX driver worked.

[Not Sure]

After unlocking i could not connect to a server (LR Race Center 1), got the "Server is S1" -message.
Restarted the game and it works now.


Tried connecting to a (what i think is a) Team Redline demo server, got a JOOS - PLY COL SET WHL message.
Reconnecting fixed this.

[GabbO]

The worst part is that my PC shuts Down and I cant get a Crash log :(,

Try going to System Properties/Advanced/Startup and Recovery and uncheck auto restart.

[hotmail]

After unlocking i could not connect to a server (LR Race Center 1), got the "Server is S1" -message.
Restarted the game and it works now.


Tried connecting to a (what i think is a) Team Redline demo server, got a JOOS - PLY COL SET WHL message.
Reconnecting fixed this.
Can you maybe download a complete new Lfs S2 (on www.lfs.net (http://www.lfs.net))
After that patch that version too Z13, and then check or you are still have the same problem...:scratchch

[Not Sure]

Naturally, I already did that. A valid suggestion though.

[hotmail]

Naturally, I already did that. A valid suggestion though.
so did it work :P, i quess not

[Not Sure]

The first thing I did when testing the new patch was to download a fresh copy of lfs. The errors I reported happened with that clean install.

[rockclan]

I do have a bug to report.
Sometimes with the FO8 in limiter accelerating much, you get a drive trough penalty, for speeding.

When it is in speedlimiter.

I had this in a big test race and was really furious!

Please fix this bug.

Same happend with BF1 accelerating in limiter without TC. :(

[UnknownMaster21]

I do have a bug to report.
Sometimes with the FO8 in limiter accelerating much, you get a drive trough penalty, for speeding.

When it is in speedlimiter.

I had this in a big test race and was really furious!

Please fix this bug.

Same happend with BF1 accelerating in limiter without TC. :(


Because speedlimiter has not instant for limiting speed, thats why.

[mcintyrej]

I do have a bug to report.
Sometimes with the FO8 in limiter accelerating much, you get a drive trough penalty, for speeding.

When it is in speedlimiter.

I had this in a big test race and was really furious!

Please fix this bug.

Same happend with BF1 accelerating in limiter without TC. :(

Your not meant to go full throttle and burn out of your pit slot, LFS has always been like this - its not a Z13 bug.

[jonas_16]

Many thanks now for update!

[Bluebird B B]

I do have a bug to report.
Sometimes with the FO8 in limiter accelerating much, you get a drive trough penalty, for speeding.

When it is in speedlimiter.

I had this in a big test race and was really furious!

Please fix this bug.

Same happend with BF1 accelerating in limiter without TC. :(

If i'm correct, real speedlimiters often work on rpm, not the rate at how fast the tyres are working. So in first gear with speedlimiter on, you should not be able to do more then xxxx rpm and for BF1 1xxxx RPM depending on gear-ratio's. It should not be too hard to implement calculations in lfs to limit on rpm.

However, as it is now, i don' t experience it as a bug, since the pitlimiter is an aid for an driver, not an tool designed to save you from speeding when doing an burn-out in pitlane. As an aid, its works very well, although it limits too soon. A real pitlanelimiter is very accurate and will limit at 79-79,5km/h not 77 or 78 as it is in lfs right now.
So it would be nice if the pitlane limiter in lfs would be improved on accuracy, but i don't think it is the most important thing on the list :shrug:


edit: I' m very happy to see an update again, confirming the lfs-crew is working very hard to get the simulation improved as soon as possible.

[Bass-Driver]

Thx scawen for new update
cant wait for the next testpatch. and the VWS ofcourse.

[Bluebird B B]

It isnt overheating: cheked the Temperature: 45º Celcius In Graphics card and 51º in CPU, and it happened me once with my previous Graphic card (a Nvidia GeForce 6200 New out of the box, i sold it coz that).

And i just got annother crash, again i cant get a crash report, just the adress on the windows blue screen, btw it was different, here it is:

*** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x9D074060, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x80521798)

Tryed Normal Patch Z and it didnt happened, and something i Missed: It only Happens in MultyPlayer Mode During a race, spectating is annother case.

EDIT: Something even more weird: i´m using Z10 since it showed up and I didn´t got any problems so far, since a month ago I think, so it isnt an only Z13 problem...

I did a short search on internet, most likely driver or hardware problem. Did you try other games which are serious hard on hardware with vsync disabled?
Search on google and own experience of overcloking all points towards hardware-problems or serious drivers problems. You'll need to thoroughly check your own system and figure out whats wrong with it.

[Shadowww]

Z13 crashes in both wine and cedega, haven't tried Crossover Games yet.

Z worked fine.

[bunder9999]

Z13 crashes in both wine and cedega, haven't tried Crossover Games yet.

Z worked fine.

i'd test it, but i ditched wine yesterday. i got tired of their crappy DirectInput implementation... :shrug:

[scania]

Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage<<not work for chinese version

[bunder9999]

Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage<<not work for chinese version

that was discussed already... i think if affects more than the asian languages though. :shrug:

[Termi]

Wow, thats wat we waiting for. Thanks Scawen ;)

[SmegFirk]

I don't think you can make the limiter work on rpm because you alter the gear ratios and you could be going quicker than 50/80 before it kicks in. It is supposed to be used to stop you going over a certain speed when you are rolling, especially coming into the pits.

If you are using it to wheelspin out of the pits with a safety net, you deserve to get burnt.

No problems so far for me with this patch :)

[pigmeu]

Noticed a "bug", when i press both the left an right view buttons the view doesn't change to rear view. This is not specific to the Z13 patch but i recall this feature existing in previous releases. I really liked that feature because it freed a button on my steering wheel, it was more natural and provided a better view around the car, no one snaps his neck to rear view. :)
A nice "feature" would be no rear view mirror on the single seaters. :) But i suppose that was discussed so I'll shut up. :x
I also noticed that in shift+u mode the force feedback does not work. Not sure if anyone would find a use for that anyway. :)
No problems with path Z13 till now.
Keep up the really good work! :thumb:

[Whiskey]

pigmeu: the function of view buttons was changed in Z version, and it's mean to be like that. In race cars, where you can't turn your head, due to the seat and HANS you have a virtual mirror.

Where was you the last 10 months? :shrug:


And FFB didn't work never in menus (not including shift+a menu, and maybe some other like chat window)

[geeman1]

And FFB didn't work never in menus (not including shift+a menu, and maybe some other like chat window)Yeah. That's how it's supposed to be. You don't want your wheel going ape shit when your hands are on the mouse and keyboard.

[teedot]

Noticed a "bug", when i press both the left an right view buttons the view doesn't change to rear view. This is not specific to the Z13 patch but i recall this feature existing in previous releases. I really liked that feature because it freed a button on my steering wheel, it was more natural and provided a better view around the car, no one snaps his neck to rear view. :)
A nice "feature" would be no rear view mirror on the single seaters. :) But i suppose that was discussed so I'll shut up. :x
I also noticed that in shift+u mode the force feedback does not work. Not sure if anyone would find a use for that anyway. :)
No problems with path Z13 till now.
Keep up the really good work! :thumb:

None of the things you speak of are bugs. :really:

[pigmeu]

Ups, didn't take into account the HANS device and race seats. :D I guess street cars could still have this feature. The camera would not be able to turn in race cars because of the seat, but in road cars i think it is possible.

In regard to where i was the last 10 months... :really:

[aimbottle]

None of the things you speak of are bugs. :really:

It's not a bug, it's a feature. :tilt:




Sorry for OT and spam, just had to crack this one. ;)

[Scorpio]

ok patch works fine
im ready to test the scirocco :D

[John5200]

I do have a bug to report.
Sometimes with the FO8 in limiter accelerating much, you get a drive trough penalty, for speeding.

When it is in speedlimiter.

I had this in a big test race and was really furious!

Please fix this bug.

Same happend with BF1 accelerating in limiter without TC. :(
thats the same as going 300 mph till inches before the pitlane, pressing the limiter and expect to be amidietly at 78 kph :really:

[BlakjeKaas]

no, you would expect a limiter to limit your speed.
The wheels can go faster than 80km/h this shouldn't be possible.
switching TC off should cause the wheels to spin at around 80 km/h but NOT faster since it should be limited.

[herki]

The inertia from accelerating too much can't make you go a tiny bit faster than the speed limit, and that'll earn you the penalty.
Lesson: Don't slam the gas.

[Aid]

i also have no problems with patch everything works good. the only thing i've had is this annoying pitstop bug (not related to test patches...) why fgs my pitcrew repaired my suspension damage when i only stopped to do +1deg on front wing...(and of course repairs were set to "no") this frequently ruins league races... i loose 20s for unnecessary repairs... and 20s means race is gone:/

[Velociround]

i also have no problems with patch everything works good. the only thing i've had is this annoying pitstop bug (not related to test patches...) why fgs my pitcrew repaired my suspension damage when i only stopped to do +1deg on front wing...(and of course repairs were set to "no") this frequently ruins league races... i loose 20s for unnecessary repairs... and 20s means race is gone:/

When you change setup your car is automatically repaired. It's not a bug.

Scawen, Z13's working fine on Windows 7 RC (7100).

[Aid]

i also use win7. it is a but i see no reason why my rear and front springs/dampers should be repaired when all i want to do is change wing 1deg... what one has to do with another?! and do you think real F1 teams change/repair 5% damaged components where all driver wants is simple 2 turns on front wing? forget about it.. time is to precious to do silly things when they don't affect handling and simple wing adjustments can improve it a lot. b-u-g BUG

[geeman1]

i also use win7. it is a but i see no reason why my rear and front springs/dampers should be repaired when all i want to do is change wing 1deg... what one has to do with another?! and do you think real F1 teams change/repair 5% damaged components where all driver wants is simple 2 turns on front wing? forget about it.. time is to precious to do silly things when they don't affect handling and simple wing adjustments can improve it a lot. b-u-g BUGIt's not a bug. It's a improvement suggestion, a reasonably good one too. But it just doesn't belong in to this thread.

[r_b_l]

Z13 crashes in both wine and cedega, haven't tried Crossover Games yet.

Z worked fine.

mine works fine, no crash so far
wine 1.1.17

[Shadowww]

mine works fine, no crash so far
wine 1.1.17
Which card and driver do you have? :s

[r_b_l]

athlon x2 5000+
nvidia 7600gs
drivers version 173.14.09 (debian lenny)
kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 (32bit system though)

when does it crash for you, during game or it doesnt even start?

[Shadowww]

athlon x2 5000+
nvidia 7600gs
drivers version 173.14.09 (debian lenny)
kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 (32bit system though)

when does it crash for you, during game or it doesnt even start?
wineboot.exe fails, not LFS error. Maybe 64 bit OS and drivers are epic fail :(

[Tur8o]

I love the handy extra's i can now finnaly go onto a new server and track and be going the correct way great work so far i havent found any bug except fro what people have mentioned :D:D so good work


Tur8o

[Bluebird B B]

I don't think you can make the limiter work on rpm because you alter the gear ratios and you could be going quicker than 50/80 before it kicks in. It is supposed to be used to stop you going over a certain speed when you are rolling, especially coming into the pits.

If you are using it to wheelspin out of the pits with a safety net, you deserve to get burnt.

No problems so far for me with this patch :)

Hej Live for speed runs on Ghz computers, the math needed to get the correct rpm with a certain gear ratio will be on average calculated in less than 0.0001 seconds. Its just needs to be correctly coded in lfs.

[danthebangerboy]

This may or may not be a bug, but as i have never noticed it in either z or z10, i thought it was worth putting an spr up of it.

Happens with all cars, so maybe not a bug, but may not be known about, probably is though.

[Inouva]

*** STOP: 0x0000000A (0x01000000, 0x00000002, 0x00000001, 0x806E5A2A)



That problem is related with a "Bad" memory stick , or a damaged memory "chip"

Also has the msg "IRQ_LESS_OR_EQUAL"

[ADOLF1612]

Shadowww: well I already tryed that, that´s why i posted here, to get annother answer (btw My vCard is an ATI radeon 9200/9250 series, and the newest drivers i can get for it are the v6.14 ones, wich are dated around 2005/2006 :S, and in the AMD site the only ones i found are the 6.11 ones: BIG> :S!)

Bluebird B B: mmm I tryed it with GTR2 (that one pushes my PC near to it´s limits) with No Vsync and it runs fine...

GabbO: Ok I´ll Try That :).

Inouva: Oh No, Now you scared me, that means that My vCard or one of my MainRam Sticks is damaged or something? :schwitz:.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Yes, IRQL_Not_less_or_equal usually indicates hardware failure or a bad driver, but the precise cause is very hard to find, you'd have to take all the hardware out of your computer and put it back in piece by piece and run LFS after putting in every piece to find what's causing the problem.

[John5200]

This may or may not be a bug, but as i have never noticed it in either z or z10, i thought it was worth putting an spr up of it.

Happens with all cars, so maybe not a bug, but may not be known about, probably is though.
known since ummmm... a long time :schwitz:

[Shadowww]

Yes, IRQL_Not_less_or_equal usually indicates hardware failure or a bad driver, but the precise cause is very hard to find, you'd have to take all the hardware out of your computer and put it back in piece by piece and run LFS after putting in every piece to find what's causing the problem.
Even better solution - check both RAM sticks one by one (first test 1st one, then 2nd one). If LFS fails only with one of them - we wish you a merry warranty.

[ADOLF1612]

MM ok I´ll Try that :), btw before that, i got a noob question: there´s a Software way to know if any of the sticks got a problem or something? anyway to test ´em or something? (i´m asking this because i think i saw something like this related to memory sticks too, and a program to test ´em, Here in the Lfs forums...).

[NightEye]

i also use win7. it is a but i see no reason why my rear and front springs/dampers should be repaired when all i want to do is change wing 1deg... what one has to do with another?! and do you think real F1 teams change/repair 5% damaged components where all driver wants is simple 2 turns on front wing? forget about it.. time is to precious to do silly things when they don't affect handling and simple wing adjustments can improve it a lot. b-u-g BUGIt's not a bug. It's a improvement suggestion, a reasonably good one too. But it just doesn't belong in to this thread.
Isn't this what F12 does? Just set "repair damage" to "no".

[ADOLF1612]

Well i took out one of my memory sticks and it´s running without errors so far, btw i´ll still testing it, as i think there´s nothing wrong with Lfs, it was my PC, sorry to everyone for that and Thanks for Help! :D.

(now this can go to the spam thread)

[Shadowww]

Well i took out one of my memory sticks and it´s running without errors so far, btw i´ll still testing it, as i think there´s nothing wrong with Lfs, it was my PC, sorry to everyone for that and Thanks for Help! :D.

(now this can go to the spam thread)
btw, test your memory with MemTest86.

[Velociround]

Isn't this what F12 does? Just set "repair damage" to "no".

If you make any changes to setup, "repair damage" will be automatically set as "yes", and can't be undone unless you remove the changes you've done.

[deiwisxxx]

Nice patch so you are really alive :)

[deiwisxxx]

Look door handle missing. its there sometimes but it gose away too..

[bbman]

Not a bug, just the nature of LOD... You can also watch the bonnet and trunk clips disappear on the GTR cars...

[marzman]

i also use win7. it is a but i see no reason why my rear and front springs/dampers should be repaired when all i want to do is change wing 1deg... what one has to do with another?! and do you think real F1 teams change/repair 5% damaged components where all driver wants is simple 2 turns on front wing? forget about it.. time is to precious to do silly things when they don't affect handling and simple wing adjustments can improve it a lot. b-u-g BUG
In real F1 your wing will just break off. No way you can effect handling by setting up a wing that lays on the ground somewhere on the racetrack ;) I think this is a good thing.

[Valefor]

Thank you Scawen!
Nice job!

[TimberBunny]

The inertia from accelerating too much can't make you go a tiny bit faster than the speed limit, and that'll earn you the penalty.
Lesson: Don't slam the gas.

Umm, last i checked, inertia doesn't work that way, lol. That'd be like you saying:

"I was accellerating to 50mph, and took my foot off the gas. Because of the inertia, i went up to 63mph before i started to slow down."

No. You slow down the INSTANT power is cut off. Inertia cannot add speed, mearly preserve it. Acceleration can't have inertia.

What's happening is that the limiter kicks in at the proper speed, but it's not instant because it never cuts throttle to zero. So, if it kicks in at 48mph, and you've got a very fast car, it's possible that the fact it doesn't cut to zero throttle means the car is still slightly powered AFTER 48mph, taking you past 48mph to 49 or 50, resulting in your penalty.

[Cherry]

speed limiter is not connected to car brakes so: yes, you can get penalty with it!

[Flame CZE]

Improved order of sort by version number in List of Hosts
It hasn't updated in LFSWorld list of hosts yet. And now it shows one LFS Y host ...

Good updates, though!

[BastianB]

can someone please tell me where all the folders are gone? i just have skins setups training and dds.

i put lynce´s textures in dds file (it was empty bevore) but they won´t work.. :shrug:

[Scawen]

It sounds like you installed the patch in its own new folder, instead of extracting into your existing LFS folder.

[BastianB]

It sounds like you installed the patch in its own new folder, instead of extracting into your existing LFS folder.
no it is at the right palce but all the other folders (like engine for example) are gone.

but the game itselfe works fine its not like some datas are missing:scratchch

E: wait the lfs folder is in the lfs folder but twice it did not overwrite dont ask me why lol
E2: just moved the exe. works fine now thanks :)

[aroX123]

Here is a bug, i have chosen Fo8 and when i reload it comes up this server, i also have no empty server. It comes up all the time i upload

[John5200]

Here is a bug, i have chosen Fo8 and when i reload it comes up this server, i also have no empty server. It comes up all the time i upload
reproducable. i made all filters like you and get the same server :(

[aroX123]

I though it was called FE6 = RallyX
and now, in new patch or something it's called FE6 = Rallycross Green.
I can't remember i've seen Fe6 been called Rallycross green before.
or am i that stupid?

EDIT: I am not stupid yeey

[Amynue]

Who cares what the name is/was :shrug:

Personally I didn't found any bugs. The arrow works great, even when you look back it changes direction. Good job!

[aroX123]

Who cares what the name is/was :shrug:

Personally I didn't found any bugs. The arrow works great, even when you look back it changes direction. Good job!
indeed :thumb:

[Scrabby]

they even keep adding stuff to encourage cruising....i thought they wanted a racing simulator...

[aroX123]

Um? What's this? it says modified and when i tried to join it said: Cars isn't the same as host? Does he have scirocco? :D

[The Very End]

Hmm strange, never seen that message before, maybe some new message added or has it allways been one like that?

[CodieMorgan]

No, I need to rewrite the whole shadow rendering system at some point so all previous reports of specific shadow issues would be irrelevant.

hmmm. Would a Stencil Buffer work?

[ACCAkut]

Hmm strange, never seen that message before, maybe some new message added or has it allways been one like that?

think that message appears if a server runs something like Tweak or Slickmod

[The Very End]

A reasonable message then :nod:

[Danny LFS]

Hmm strange, never seen that message before, maybe some new message added or has it allways been one like that?

This normally happens when someone is using t*e*k on the server, thus you can't join unless you hack into his/her computer... Happened to me once.

[The Very End]

You can joine those servers, you just need the same tweak settings as the host. If the values are identically it's no problem :)

[Scawen]

they even keep adding stuff to encourage cruising....i thought they wanted a racing simulator...Let's be clear, I haven't added anything for cruising. Support for cruising up to now has only been about disabling existing features, a very easy thing to do... so you don't really have to worry if I spend 5 minutes disabling another feature to support cruising.

To me, cruise is simply a special mode that allows people to make their own game using our simulator. In no way have I written anything that influences cruise servers - the programmers of cruise type systems do it all themselves using the InSim interface.

[Shadowww]

This normally happens when someone is using t*e*k on the server, thus you can't join unless you hack into his/her computer... Happened to me once.
tweak is censored word now?

[The Very End]

Let's be clear, I haven't added anything for cruising. Support for cruising up to now has only been about disabling existing features, a very easy thing to do... so you don't really have to worry if I spend 5 minutes disabling another feature to support cruising.

To me, cruise is simply a special mode that allows people to make their own game using our simulator. In no way have I written anything that influences cruise servers - the programmers of cruise type systems do it all themselves using the InSim interface.

Sorry for this off topic.

But you are saying you encurage that we use the game as we somewhat want ourselfe, of course by limitations but still. Do you in the future plan do add more objects to the autocross feature, to let people play more with their immagination? I am not talking like directly track objects, like road and such. More like new small things that can be added, maybe a little bigger ramp, some fences, trees maybe? Just very basic things, but that would encurage people to use layout more actively in the game?

Sorry for this off topic question, I just really wanted to hear if you having further plans for the autocross feature. Me and other likes the feature a lot in many aspects of the game, and a update to it would personally thrill me :)

[Scawen]

Well, all I can say is that I would like to extend the autocross feature at some point. I have to be careful what I say though and that is no promise, just something I'd like to do at some point if I get some time. But there are quite a lot of things of a higher priority, so I have no idea when I will be able to do that, if ever. But what I'd like to do is unify the autocross object system, so the same objects are available at different tracks, and also allow some adjustable objects like user defined fences / barriers (with a fixed cross section but adjustable curve) and maybe adjustable ramps, that kind of thing.

Please, other people, don't start to ask me about any other plans for LFS's future, I can imagine the questions coming in now just because I answered one!

[The Very End]

I see, and I / we stop there.
Thanks for taking the time replying that question :)

[r_b_l]

I just noticed that my shadows look awful now in Z13 compared to Z (didn't try the other test patches):shrug:

NOTE: I am running the game in Linux using Wine

Athlon X2 5000+, nvidia 7600GS
nvidia drivers 173.14.09
Wine updated from 1.1.17 to 1.1.21 - didn't help

[wien]

NOTE: I am running the game in Linux using WineI doubt Scawen can (or wants to) do anything about problems in Wine. Wine is just one giant hack and it's a wonder it works at all. If you're having problems with it you're probably better off taking it up with the Wine devs.

[Feffe85]

I doubt Scawen can (or wants to) do anything about problems in Wine. Wine is just one giant hack and it's a wonder it works at all. If you're having problems with it you're probably better off taking it up with the Wine devs.

or MAYBE it´s something that he can reproduce in win xp/vista/7, with the same comp specs? ever thought about that? it MIGHT be a problem with his hardware not liking something in the new testpatch.. we dont know, you dont know, and the poster sure as hell dont know.

it aint a HACK in any way. its an emulator, not a hack..

[NightShift]

Wine updated from 1.1.17 to 1.1.21 - didn't help

Probably a graphic driver issue. Like most other fake bugs the l33t 0vercl0ckerZ w1nn00bs seems to be posting here every couple of seconds :shrug:

[John5200]

I don´t know if it´s test patch related (at least it isn´t that way in the Y patch). But a few testpatches / or the last testpatch somebody mentiond that a blue indicator light in the MRT turns on, when you press the light button (usually "g"), and it´s still like that.

[BOSCHO]

I just noticed that my shadows look awful now in Z13 compared to Z (didn't try the other test patches):shrug:

NOTE: I am running the game in Linux using Wine

Athlon X2 5000+, nvidia 7600GS
nvidia drivers 173.14.09
Wine updated from 1.1.17 to 1.1.21 - didn't help

ya i have the same problem on my ubuntu using whine

Galaxy GeForce 9500
updated drivers.. but i think the problem is from whine

[NightShift]

Try reverting to an older driver, nV screws them up often both for Windows AND Linux. For those of you who use apt-based package managers, I suggest installing them manually, it's more work when you update your kernel but at least you can install whatever version works best on your system.

[bunder9999]

no, the problem _IS_ wine. it has crap shadow support...

when i turned on shadows on one of my machines, it would cut the car in half and do all retarded stuff... and then on the other machine, the shadow would appear as a solid black square on the ground (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=18775), it had no contours of the car's actual shape.

thing is, it's been brought to their attention (http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16985) already.

[Crady]

Dunno if it is a bug or wanted...

If you turn in hard the rims are invisible from the inside. As you can see the outside is ok.

[Bob Smith]

If you turn in hard the rims are invisible from the inside.
More worryingly, most of your car seems to be invisible. Sort that out and the rendering optimisation on the wheels ceases to be relevant. ;)

[Calvinaquino]

Damn i love Bob's avatar heh..
Well i really liked the arrow but for some weird reason when i installed the patch via USB drive (i dont have internet at home atm) it locked my lfs =(

[pik_d]

I discovered, that when i travel in pitlane and look 90 degrees to left or right, i see direction marker. Like this one, which i see when i join the track. Is it bug or feature? I attached screenshots.
I have the opposite problem, these don't show up for me. The main screen claims that I have 0.5Z13 so it's not that I forgot to install it or something, I just don't see these arrows.

Edit: The progress indicator, is that simply the (1/3) thing or is there supposed to be a bar representing the percentage of completion? Based on what this is supposed to be I should know whether or not the entire Z->Z13 install is messed up or not.

Edit2: Oh, the server that I was testing on is a cruise server. It's hidden so I have to join manually so I didn't see that tag.

Edit3: Scawen, I don't host the server that I tested on but it's one I race on regularly. It's set up as cruise mode so that we don't get spectated when we're just messing around, but we do run actual races so blue/yellow flags are necessary. Is there any way you can set it up so that there is the option to have the flags as well as not get spectated for going in reverse?

[ponczak]

Let's be clear, I haven't added anything for cruising. Support for cruising up to now has only been about disabling existing features, a very easy thing to do... so you don't really have to worry if I spend 5 minutes disabling another feature to support cruising.


Is changing full lock from 36* to 45* in RWD road cars so much harder? It's only disabling existing restriction. (45* was in S1)

[Scawen]

Edit: The progress indicator, is that simply the (1/3) thing or is there supposed to be a bar representing the percentage of completion? Based on what this is supposed to be I should know whether or not the entire Z->Z13 install is messed up or not.Yes it is a text progress indicator like "Downloading skin (16/20)". Before Z13 there was just a skin number so you had no idea how far through the list you were, which was quite annoying.

Edit3: Scawen, I don't host the server that I tested on but it's one I race on regularly. It's set up as cruise mode so that we don't get spectated when we're just messing around, but we do run actual races so blue/yellow flags are necessary. Is there any way you can set it up so that there is the option to have the flags as well as not get spectated for going in reverse?I don't know why you need cruise mode then - you can just turn off the autokick option.

/autokick=no

There are four options for the autokick feature : no / kick / ban / spec.

[Shadowww]

Scawen, add button to cancel skin downloads please.

[G!NhO]

No, you can do that in multiplayer screen... :shrug:

[pik_d]

Yes it is a text progress indicator like "Downloading skin (16/20)". Before Z13 there was just a skin number so you had no idea how far through the list you were, which was quite annoying.
Cool, that is quite a nice addition.

I don't know why you need cruise mode then - you can just turn off the autokick option.

/autokick=no

There are four options for the autokick feature : no / kick / ban / spec.
Oh, as I said I didn't host the server and I guess I wrongly assumed that the guy who does would have used such a feature if there was one. Thanks for pointing it out.

[The Very End]

May I ask why? Would just end up with a lot of corrupted skin files in the skin folder :/
Edit : was aimed for Shadowww :)

[John5200]

some training lessons and a testpatch bug here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1157357#post1157357

[Flame CZE]

some training lessons and a testpatch bug here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1157357#post1157357
The second one was already reported by me here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=46674) :)

[Nathan_French_14]

Sorry if this bug has already been noted, or if it has been in LFS for a while, but i have only just noticed it. I only tryed it with a couple of cars (only FXO done it) so i dont know specifically which cars it affects, but look at the edge of the wheel, and you can see through it. It seems the tyres bead is non-existent.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/frenchy0204/Live%20For%20Speed/lfs_00000075-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/frenchy0204/Live%20For%20Speed/lfs_00000076-1.jpg

Again, sorry if this bug is already known.

[Vegas Las]

Sorry if this bug has already been noted, or if it has been in LFS for a while, but i have only just noticed it. I only tryed it with a couple of cars (only FXO done it) so i dont know specifically which cars it affects, but look at the edge of the wheel, and you can see through it. It seems the tyres bead is non-existent.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/frenchy0204/Live%20For%20Speed/lfs_00000075-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/frenchy0204/Live%20For%20Speed/lfs_00000076-1.jpg

Again, sorry if this bug is already known.

What's your CG ?

Shadowww and me have noticed that we have the same bug on the right front wheel with the 9800GT.

[Nathan_French_14]

CG? You mean graphics card?

Currently using a 7600GS 256mb as my other cards are being repaired. Once there done, i will put them back in and see whether this bug is still there.

edit: I saw one guy mention he is having shadow problems with a 7600GS. I am also getting the shadow problems. Yet to try it with my other cards though (as mentioned above).

edit2: I dont just get this one the right front, as you can see i also get it on the left side. I suspose it would do it on the rear ones too, but as they cant turn, all you would see would be black from the inside of the arches.

[Vegas Las]

K,

Have you that ? On the interior ?

http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=83768&d=1241792146

[Nathan_French_14]

Yes, i get that too, but only on the left wheel like you.

I also get this in the XFG interior. I would have used shift+U to take the shot, but when you get closer, they dissapear. Sometimes they have came up bright blue too. Very confusing.

p.s, just thought i would mention, its not a DDS problem. I've tryed it with the default XFG DDS files, and there still there.

[Aid]

I also use 7600 GS and don't have such problems, i also frequently switch drivers and no problem with any version. mind that the other 7600 problem was more fault of wine than windows drivers and 7600 itself... did u try to reinstall directx?

[Nathan_French_14]

Ive tryed updating drivers, and also directX, all to no avail.

[Bean0]

Ive tryed updating drivers, and also directX, all to no avail.

Try reading the thread first next time...it is mentioned on the 2nd page (depending on posts/page).

The bug has been known about for a while.

[Aid]

it just look like missaligned polygons on tire and rim..

[Flame CZE]

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2637/lfsbingonew.jpg
1b :thumb:
45*is realistic in normal cars. This is the same type of tuning as changing suspension settings, gearbox and camber. This is the same.
If lfs is only racing sim, why the hell it has some of CRUISE options?
Can you name any? I think that you think it's InSim but InSim can be used at drift hosts as well. And the "cruise mode" is for training too, not only for cruising.

[UnknownMaster21]

When I click refresh server's, I see about 3 full S2 servers, then 40 full demo servers.

I frankly don't want to play or look at demo servers, so I'd much rather only look at the servers I might be interested in.

The server list was much better the way it was before they were all merged.

GOT IDEA! what if have a filter:

Find servers where can join:

1-12
13-24
25-47

[G!NhO]

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2637/lfsbingonew.jpg
1b :thumb:
45*is realistic in normal cars. This is the same type of tuning as changing suspension settings, gearbox and camber. This is the same.
If lfs is only racing sim, why the hell it has some of CRUISE options?
EOT

The cruise option is just for practising and it was in NO way intended to be used for cruising with cops and such.

[kamkorPL]

Gotta love lfs kiddo fanboy reactions. They have explanation for everything.

Just couple of quick ones:

http://nismo.1g.fi/kuvat/Vehicles/Cars/BMW+320i/e30steeringlockftw.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8qBiDiGfs&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKBovFYp5c&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anuzd5g1oUM&fmt=18
http://picasaweb.google.pl/michalkwapis/KozakE30#5331730547308796834
http://picasaweb.google.pl/michalkwapis/KozakE30#5331730581117245442
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2931/20090330448.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3564/20090330449.jpg

I won't even mention that steering lock mod is way cheaper to do than lfs suspension mods.

I won't even start explaining over again why 45 or 50 or more steering lock is not an advantage in racing. You must be hell of a driver if you make mistakes so bad, to need such steering lock.

And I won't even mention that there's a big chance you guys don't even use anything close to 900 degrees steering.

[jonny__27]

back on-topic:

On the "!!! UER-Racing#3-Demo" server, at BL-Rallycross, car is XFG. When finished the race I pulled the handbrake and went sideways through the wall. Through the race the car had some streering damage (with centered direction the streering wheel was 45º to the left) if it is any help.

[Danny LFS]

Got a little bug here...

Almost everyday, about 80% of the time, when I disconnect from the Internet and play LFS offline, I get major FPS problems when running the game at full quality, even though my computer is pretty good. See my new PC's specs:

17 inch LCD monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium
CPU Pentium IV Dual Core 6.0GHz (3.0GHz per core)
4GB RAM DDR3
3 320GB HDDs (Total Space: 960GB)
NVidia GeForce 9800 GT (hacked for better performance): 1GB VRAM

As you can see, my PC specs are relatively good, but I STILL get FPS problems for some reason. Anyone can help me?

Cheers!

[Degats]

Are there any other known issues that affect only the test patches and not Z?
There's the front left tyre AA issue, but that's only visible on certain views+graphics settings so not that major.

Bugs unrelated to the test patch (ie ones that happen in Z as well) should be in the bug reporting section, not here.

Edit:
If any bugs you find in Z13 etc are reproducible, test it in Z as well. Then, only if it doesn't apply to Z but does in Z13, post it here

[Byku]

That thing with the tyre and the rim on FXO is also present on my pc(Radeon HD4870).

[pik_d]

You're so quick to jump to conclusions arent you?
Pentium dual cores _DO_ exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D

LOL Shadoww didn't know you could get a Dual core pentium LOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
There is no dual core Pentium 4 which is what Shadowww said. Pentium Ds (of which you can get dual core processors) are not Pentium IVs.

Danny LFS said he has a Pentium IV dual core, which I can assure you that he doesn't. He *probably* has either a Pentium 4 HT 3.0 (Northwood), 3.0E (Prescott) or a 530/530J/531/630/631 (also Prescotts) which are hyper-threaded and shows up as having two logical cores in the task manager or he has a Pentium D 830, 925, or 930, all of which have two physical cores.

[MijnWraak]

Got a little bug here...

Almost everyday, about 80% of the time, when I disconnect from the Internet and play LFS offline, I get major FPS problems when running the game at full quality, even though my computer is pretty good. See my new PC's specs:

17 inch LCD monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium
CPU Pentium IV Dual Core 6.0GHz (3.0GHz per core)
4GB RAM DDR3
3 320GB HDDs (Total Space: 960GB)
NVidia GeForce 9800 GT (hacked for better performance): 1GB VRAM

As you can see, my PC specs are relatively good, but I STILL get FPS problems for some reason. Anyone can help me?

Cheers!
This is because AI / many cars take a lot of CPU horsepower, which a P4 cannot provide. If you upgrade the processor you will get better fps :thumb: (btw, 3ghz dual core =/= 6 ghz. LFS is single threaded so only one core is used, so its 3ghz. and even if it wasnt it'd still be 3 ghz :p I wish I had a 9.99ghz tricore, but it doesn't multiply.)

but this has nothing to do with test patch?

[Shadowww]

(I wish I had a 9.99ghz tricore, but it doesn't multiply.)Trust me, 1.6 Core2Duo performs BETTER than 3.2 P4. So really it is as fast as 3.2 and even faster.

[mathew4445]

I noticed a bug when skinning, Im not sure if this is test patch related but its still a bug.

When you save a skin as xxx.jpg.jpg you can see it in the pits, but not ingame. Just a little thing but sometimes photoshop does that =/

Solution :
Either dont show skins with .jpg.jpg ingame
or ???

[cmanns]

Hey Devs, the wine problem just started with these patches, I've been using Z, I've tried all the others too...

I use FreeBSD and I used to keep up2date with wine versions, then I started using windows for work, back on FBSD again.

LFS Is stable and performance is decent, something with the barriers slow down lfs, can you also make the barriers more real instead of making you fly? I'm sure they could be fixed... no idea why it slows down lfs, doesnt it even on windows?

Anyways good job, want wait for vws, looks like some things were improved visually

[Danny LFS]

There is no dual core Pentium 4 which is what Shadowww said. Pentium Ds (of which you can get dual core processors) are not Pentium IVs.

Danny LFS said he has a Pentium IV dual core, which I can assure you that he doesn't. He *probably* has either a Pentium 4 HT 3.0 (Northwood), 3.0E (Prescott) or a 530/530J/531/630/631 (also Prescotts) which are hyper-threaded and shows up as having two logical cores in the task manager or he has a Pentium D 830, 925, or 930, all of which have two physical cores.

It might be that. But I only get FPS problems in Z13. Never happened with any previous test patch (Z10, Z9, etc.), nor with the normal Z.

[bunder9999]

Hey Devs, the wine problem just started with these patches, I've been using Z, I've tried all the others too...

I use FreeBSD and I used to keep up2date with wine versions, then I started using windows for work, back on FBSD again.

LFS Is stable and performance is decent, something with the barriers slow down lfs

check your video card drivers, and dri/drm/mesa/xorg-server.

[Hatemaker]

The ABS seems to act a bit similar to the way the ABS in my Z3 did before I disabled it.

[John5200]

The second one was already reported by me here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=46674) :)
:bump: i know, i made that on purpose, and it worked. if you look into your thread, you ll see that it got fixed now:)

EDIT: back on-topic:

On the "!!! UER-Racing#3-Demo" server, at BL-Rallycross, car is XFG. When finished the race I pulled the handbrake and went sideways through the wall. Through the race the car had some streering damage (with centered direction the streering wheel was 45º to the left) if it is any help.

old bug (and one of my fovorits too :D), not test patch related.

[Bluebird B B]

Hey Devs, the wine problem just

I really dislike windows-os, but i will run into a lot more problems in trying to run windows apps(games lol) on other operating systems then just running an recent microsoft OS. Also because it is nearly always unsupported and for small software developers really a waste of time to support platforms for which the software was not written or intented.

My opinion is, if you run an windows application on linux you are on your own if there are problems.

(this post is not intented to critisi linux, jus annoyed people start complaining: Application build for Operating system X is difficult to get it running on Operating system Y. Well duh!)

[Hoshimodo]

The ingame anti-aliasing control doesn't seem to work in Z13 even though the anisotropic control operates as usual.
Could be a gpu-driver related issue of course (7600GT AGP with Forceware 185.85 here)

[bunder9999]

first post by scawen:

ABS brakes have been added to 5 cars (as a setup option) so for now you cannot upload hotlaps made in Z13.

[Scawen]

damn :(

well I think i have to download lfs again to do hotlaps... -.-
The only file you need is your LFS.exe from version Z.

I hope you kept that, because in the first post I wrote this :

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from version Z so you can go back to Z if there are any problems.

[Velociround]

damn :(

well I think i have to download lfs again to do hotlaps... -.-

Here you go, the default LFS patch Z LFS.exe.
LFS.rar (http://rapidshare.com/files/233374036/LFS.rar.html) (mirror 1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=23FXJ6W0), mirror 2 (http://www.badongo.com/file/14956703)) (808KB)

[marzman]

The only file you need is your LFS.exe from version Z.

I hope you kept that, because in the first post I wrote this :

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from version Z so you can go back to Z if there are any problems.
He could redownload Patch Z (or update to patch Z) and only use the file lfs.exe from it.
I really dislike windows-os, but i will run into a lot more problems in trying to run windows apps(games lol) on other operating systems then just running an recent microsoft OS. Also because it is nearly always unsupported and for small software developers really a waste of time to support platforms for which the software was not written or intented.

My opinion is, if you run an windows application on linux you are on your own if there are problems.

I agree with that. Running Windows applications is one of the things Windows is best in.

[bunder9999]

Maybe users can at least consider this before stepping up and reporting it doesnt work as desired under unsupported systems. :shrug:

i took my beefs up with the wine devs... they just didn't do anything. :shrug:

now i don't use wine anymore. :D

[cmanns]

Got to agree there, and has had me quite bemused seeing more and more of reports of LFS not working correctly under linux etc.

Whether Scawen in anyway supports the idea of running LFS under linux (or any other non windows system) i have no idea, but i dont recall it ever being presented as anything but a windows based application, and with XP, Vista, and soon to be Windows 7 i would think Scawen has enough work on the compatabilty side without worrying about unsupported operating systems.

Maybe users can at least consider this before stepping up and reporting it doesnt work as desired under unsupported systems. :shrug:

and to the others about unsupported OS's

Wine and such is a compatability layer, wont ever be perfect.

What I said to Scawen was to point out that Z, LFS Z, works perfect under wine minus maybe a texture going out of place, since Z issues are worse under wine.

Theres no issue with my drivers, dri, x, blabla. I'm going to update my ports soon and see how that is, I have latest nvidia freebsd drivers btw and it made no difference but seems to perform a little better.

The only issue is that the shadows seem to be two, and dont overlap right, and are square.

No idea what he changed with the shadows but I wish he'd put a option to use the patch Z shadows for us wine users, LFS is flawless under wine, I've had it open for days, racing, etc.

Only other issue is the barriers cause lag in high numbers like on autox courses, no idea why maybe it's a wine issue but I get a large fps drop on windows.

Only bothered to post these details for Scawen, his game works gr8 on wine and I'd love to see it stay that way.

[Shadowww]

cmanns, have you tried low shadow quality?

As workaround you may disable shadows.

[cmanns]

cmanns, have you tried low shadow quality?

As workaround you may disable shadows.

Low shadow quality looks even worse then high quality, I choose to use no shadows of course :thumb:

[danthebangerboy]

may or may not be a bug, although this never happened in z or z10 so it could be. driving on AU1 layout.

Strange pole like object sticking out of my car, not visible in any other view apart from incar and not there in the replay i saved.

I was not able to reproduce it, it just happened randomly and was there for the whole race but went away once the race finished and restarted.

Radeon hd2600 pro (AGP) running omega 3.8.442 drivers if that helps.

[MijnWraak]

IIRC thats a corrupted texture file. (is it from video card or installation?:shrug:) Reinstall usually works. I get the same thing in a specific spot on Aston. annoying.

[ColeusRattus]

Looks rather like an artifact of an overheated gpu. Try if it also appears in otther games.

[marzman]

Looks rather like an artifact of an overheated gpu. Try if it also appears in otther games.
I had this when I overclocked my old videocard after playing for some time, only there came more then just this one in the screenshot. But since he says it does not become more it could just as well be something else.

He could try to cool his pc more (open the case and put an table ventilator in front of it). If it doesn't happen then it's overheating.

[Bluebird B B]

may or may not be a bug, although this never happened in z or z10 so it could be. driving on AU1 layout.

Strange pole like object sticking out of my car, not visible in any other view apart from incar and not there in the replay i saved.

I was not able to reproduce it, it just happened randomly and was there for the whole race but went away once the race finished and restarted.

Radeon hd2600 pro (AGP) running omega 3.8.442 drivers if that helps.
Most likely overheating. My graphics cars also has such issue's, but never in lfs because lfs does not stress the gpu enough to overheat.
If your budget allows.. upgrade your system :D If your cpu is still somewhat up-to-date, there are agp ati 4650 cards available which might be perfect for your system(check first power requirements before buying)

[JasonJ]

Teeny tiny bug, :tilt:

When the skin progress is on screen, if the skin name has colours in it, the colour translates into the progress info, eg:

Downloading FXR_[FFS]OMG_LOL_11 (8/20)
Downloading HEL_[FFS]OMG_LOL_11 (9/20)

Either strip out colours or force the grey colour in the progress info.

'viva la LFS