Darn. i give up on LFS

[Carsten_DK]

Was giving up after the patch-release after S!-o.3-E, cause its became impossible too steer with kb.
But as I remember the game as the greatest, i gave it another try today with S2-Alpha Demo. I couldnt steer my favorit car, XRGT and Turbo,
but with GTI it was possible. Ok I ran a few rounds, and would try online......
No servers. Ah, ok, i thought, there must be an update.
Yes. I downloadad the Q-version, installed, and */***/*/*//xxx***. The same happened, as when the S1-o.3 E was updated to the next.
Suddently it was impossible to steer again.

What is the meaning of annoying the costumers like this. I dont get it :o(

[Vain]

There are still keyboarders in the current version. But use the mouse, for the sake of your tyres.

Vain

[tristancliffe]

There is no difference between P and Q patches in terms of controller support and physics, so any 'change' you felt is purely imaginary.

[XCNuse]

the meaning is you need to buy S2 lol cause very very very few people own S1

[KiDCoDEa]

What is the meaning of annoying the costumers like this.

its a conspiracy led by infidels

[NotAnIllusion]

LFS is a great game (read: sim), keyboard isn't the best controller for it though. XFG, XRG & XRT are drivable with mouse (or keyb & mouse combination), and even fun. Why not have a go at changing the controller before giving up? You may have to resort to demo hosts though as there are no S1 hosts, or players for that matter.

[SparkyDave]

Suddently it was impossible to steer again.


Have you tried playing with the Keyboard Stablised settings? maybe the default values need some tweaking to suit your style .

SD.

[Matrixi]

Keyboards and sims don't mix, I'm sceptical with mouses too. Buy a proper force feedback wheel, or there's not much sense in playing a sim. Think about playing a flight sim with keyboard / mouse.. it's plain stupid. It's all in the feeling, which a proper wheel will give you ;)

[Carsten_DK]

Keyboards and sims don't mix, I'm sceptical with mouses too. Buy a proper force feedback wheel, or there's not much sense in playing a sim. Think about playing a flight sim with keyboard / mouse.. it's plain stupid. It's all in the feeling, which a proper wheel will give you ;)

I Have a wheel (Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP). Tried it for a couple of month with S1, before giving up on that. But I dont like it, and dont want to switch controllers all the time. I must realise, that the developers and I obviously want different things. Thats why I must give up...

[mkinnov8]

This is getting tiring too now...

Sorry, its my opinion (to which im allowed), that If you want to give up on LFS S2 Alpha, you first have to play it. The Demo is only a demo. There are a lot of Keyboard Players in S2 Alpha, some of whom are in some good Teams and Regularly beat Wheel and Mouse users.

Buy S2, give it a go, then give up.

[zeugnimod]

Its surely not impossible to drive with keyboard. UF1, XFG, FXO, RB4, MRT, FOX, XFR and FXR are all not too hard to drive with keyboard. Of course, not wr times, but 1 or 2 seconds slower than that, which is enough to finish races at the top.
Im driving for more than a year with keyboard now and am still enjoying it (and Im driving often, look at my stats ;)).

Maybe you should first get S2 and try these cars to judge, if they are impossible to drive.

[Tukko]

Its surely not impossible to drive with keyboard. UF1, XFG, FXO, RB4, MRT, FOX, XFR and FXR are all not too hard to drive with keyboard.
hmmm.. try rwd cars instead.. those are a lot easier with kb than fwd :pillepall and yes try it :Looking_a

edit: got you z!

[zeugnimod]

hmmm.. try rwd cars instead.. those are a lot easier with kb than fwd :pillepall and yes try it :Looking_a

They are not, you are a special case. :p

[Tukko]

They are not, you are a special case. :p
hmphfff.. fwd needs gentle throttle control to be fast.. rwd's dont mind that much if your having on/off throttle :) and imo current fwd cars arent too realistic in lfs :shrug: hey is this off topic blaah

[zeugnimod]

IMO rwd cars mind it very much if you have full throttle on, because they spin then, lol.

[Tukko]

IMO rwd cars mind it very much if you have full throttle on, because they spin then, lol.

....

that's why you can steer can't you ziggy :smileypul

[Tweaker]

I Have a wheel (Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP). Tried it for a couple of month with S1, before giving up on that. But I dont like it, and dont want to switch controllers all the time.

Not using your wheel is probably a worse decision than giving up on LFS all together!!!!!!! :zombie:

Think of it this way, in an order from worst to best:

Keyboard --- Can control car somewhat, but still the slowest of all control types
Gamepad --- A bit better steering and control, but too quick and easy to spin out
Mouse --- HIGHLY recommended for struggling keyboard users, and is a very fast control type. Easily can be withing seconds of a World Record with adequate practice.
Joystick --- Fairly good, but accelerating and braking while turning on the same axis is difficult and slow. But you can still be fast... but it is hard
Wheel --- Fastest of all, easiest of all, full control over your car... because it IS a car's control type

:zombie:

So really, it is your own fault for giving up on something you could be really good at, not the games fault ;) You have a wheel just sititng there, but you choose not to use it, because you like keyboard? Keyboard is awful.

http://www.tweak.in/storage/wheel_joy_kb.jpg

[Moonclaw]

Funny costumers.

[Jonesy_]

I´d say picture number 2

[XCNuse]

..jonesy.. common, all of us here know it's obviously picture 5..

[Matrixi]

I Have a wheel (Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP). Tried it for a couple of month with S1, before giving up on that. But I dont like it, and dont want to switch controllers all the time. I must realise, that the developers and I obviously want different things. Thats why I must give up...
Err, you PREFER keyboard over wheel? Why in the earth? You say you didn't like driving with a wheel, what didn't you like about it? You are honestly the first person I've ever seen who prefers a keyboard over a wheel. :Looking_a

Since you've already decided to give up, it's your call. We're not the ones missing the great fun this game (sim) has to offer.

[NaBUru38]

Have you tried to take the XR Turbo around a track (I wouldn't say "drive"). It takes ages to control it and not crash against a non-n00b racer in the way.

The fast&slow keys aren't "intuitive" to the driver. If you are in a chicane and you can't make the car change the direction, you'll probably won't say "ok, I press "fast" for 0.7s and then "slow" for the rest of the corner", you will press left for three seconds until the car finally turns to the left... and overslides because you can't stop the wheel. That is why there should be two left and two right buttons, the outers to steer quickly and the inners to slightly adjust the trajectory.

If this isn't solved, and the slow-speed low grip too, more and more newbies will quit LFS.

[JohnPenn]

Have a look on Ebay for a wheel you can buy them for less than s2 costs.

Driving with a wheel is not about better laps times, greater splits, its just a LOT more fun driving with a wheel .
Cars have steering wheels, LFS is a racing car simulation, get a wheel:)

I know many fast and clean KB and mouse driver's, but I really believe they are missing out on a tacticle experience that can only come from a FF wheel.

All the best
John

[tristancliffe]

It doesn't need to be solved. If the noobies want to play LFS and experience it fully they will eventually buy a wheel. The whole point of LFS is to be realistic, and keyboards just can't provide that. If they don't want to play LFS or buy a wheel that their loss.

I personally think one of the main reasons people quit LFS in the demo is because the demo is too good - all the features, unlimited online play etc. I say remove or reduce the online content - time limited sessions, demo usernames, no pitstops or something. Then people will be more inclined to buy LFS to see what it's really like (the demo isn't and shouldn't be a fully representation), and then they'll be more inclinded to spend money on a cheap wheel. LFS isn't expensive and wheels don't have to be either.

When are you going to buy a licence Naburu? Same for Wheel4Hummer too :p

[Carsten_DK]

Err, you PREFER keyboard over wheel? Why in the earth? You say you didn't like driving with a wheel, what didn't you like about it? You are honestly the first person I've ever seen who prefers a keyboard over a wheel. :Looking_a

Since you've already decided to give up, it's your call. We're not the ones missing the great fun this game (sim) has to offer.

Hmm. We had the very same discussion when the S1 G patch came out.
We had a hole family-like community before that, but I dont see any left...
So, there are many, like me, that stopped then.
Of course, other came inn in stead, and I must accept, that the game now is for mechanics/hardcore sim-drivers only,
and not for people, that just want to have fun, living out their boydream..

I´ve heard all the arguments before, so there is no point in going on..

See you in another game...

[mrbogeyman]

bye :shrug:

[three_jump]

hmm I played with keyboard till the famous "E" patch... then I bought a wheel what was the best choice I could done, because it made much more fun and I was able to beat my old times within two days...

There also still some good keyboard players and guides around (I thing sccabco has a special subforum for keyboard drivers)... :shrug:

But we are living in a free world and everyone can decide for himself ;)

[Matrixi]

I´ve heard all the arguments before, so there is no point in going on..
If you've so decided. :wave:

[JJ72]

I just play LFS to have fun, I never entered any league, and I still do it today.

What's different?

[B2B@300]

My father also had trouble with LFS (he has momo racing wheel), he plays most of the games you listed as well as some others including GTR and GTL and I would regard him as quite a skilled driver in real life.

But when he spent a few days on and off searching these forums, asking me for advise on wheel settings and just experimenting with wheel settings he did get pleasing results. He still wasn't very fast in lap times, but when I sent him a bunch of good setups and some replays to watch, he reported that he was doing much better and enjoying the game alot more :thumb:

Wheel related threads:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4528
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=5589

Setup related threads:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=279
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4153

[SamH]

I must realise, that the developers and I obviously want different things. Thats why I must give up...

Yep. I definitely agree. Two different things.

The developers wish to continue to develop LFS as they began to do with S1, and continued doing with S2, and will continue in the future with S3. In short, the developers wish to do exactly what they set out to do. It's still the same thing that they were doing when you bought in, during S1.. building the best online racing simulator in three stages.

So yes. If you want them to stop furthering LFS, you're in conflict with the developers. You're also in conflict with just about every other LFS driver around. There can't be many people who want development of LFS to stop, besides you. Not many at all.

If it's the wheel you can't get along with, then two things spring to mind.

One is that you're "different" from most of us in some way. Very few people have the choice of a wheel and a keyboard and opt for the keyboard.

The other thing that comes to mind is that, since it's the wheel you're conflicting with, it's actually not LFS that's the issue. It's your personal preference that's at the heart of the problem, and your inability to effectively make use of your tool-of-choice.

You prefer the keyboard but you believe that LFS no longer caters for the keyboard. I disagree. A very good friend of mine is an avid keyboard user, and he's within a second of several of the WRs on LFS right now. So I can state with absolute certainty that drivers CAN make good use of the keyboard with LFS S2, IF that's the interface they choose to use.

So it's not as easy as it used to be? Well it just got more realistic, that's all. Exactly what it's always supposed to have been doing. Nothing's changed DIRECTION at the LFS end. If you've decided to move on, then I totally support you in what you're doing. But I MUST protest when you try to blame LFS where I think it's plain that LFS is NOT, in ANY way, at fault.

[StanleyCarter]

I´ve heard all the arguments before, so there is no point in going on..

See you in another game...

:wave::wave:

[Takumi_Project.d]

:wave::wave:
:wave::wave::wave:

[ORION]

Carsten you have a wheel and dont use it? argh.. I thought GC was the only crazy guy here :P

Well, of course it takes some time to get used to wheel, specially because you have to start steering much earlier, and learn not to steer too much. But after a few days it's fun :)

[Barroso]

i use to kb too as orion may remember :wave: from the begining i always thought lfs was too easy with kb, but it also let a kber compete with someone with a wheel on almost the same level, but deep in i always wanted to control the drifts without the computers help, that happened when scawen changed the kb control as we all know and i have to say i wasnt too happy with it at first also, it was like learning all again the same game but i was willing to do so. a few weeks after all this a dear friend called SpiderX gave me his old msff wheel, and being slower at first and all the fun is just much superior to whatever it is you feel playing with kb. id say it took me 2 months to get up to speed and i enjoyed them fully.

[tristancliffe]

I was racing on the dSRC server last night (great server, as always [free plug]) in my trusty LX4 whilst all around me were using the infinitely dull FXO. But anyway, I digress, I was beaten once or twice by a certain Fat Panda from team Clownpaint, and he is a keyboard user.

I know it's FWD, and thats easier with keyboard, but he was very quick round the fastest circuit, and to do that you need a touch of drift which he was controlling WHILST racing people.

If you give up on keyboard it's not cos it's too hard, but because you don't have the willingness to bother.

[Batterypark]

I have a black momo as well, but I don't use it for LFS - believe me, I've tried a lot, but I just can't get used to it in LFS.

In RBR, the wheel feels pretty good and I'm much faster there than with my joystick. In LFS, it's the opposite.

[ButterTyres]

Carsten_DK, if you dont have the balls to make an effort and get good on the wheel, mouse or KB then this is the wrong game/sim for you. No matter which control method you choose, there are people that can do top ten HLVC laps with those control methods, just because you cant do it doesnt mean the game is bad.

I cant play golf but its not the game's fault is it?

Anyway, BYE BYE dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.

[ORION]

I was racing on the dSRC server last night (great server, as always [free plug]) in my trusty LX4 whilst all around me were using the infinitely dull FXO. But anyway, I digress, I was beaten once or twice by a certain Fat Panda from team Clownpaint, and he is a keyboard user.

I know it's FWD, and thats easier with keyboard, but he was very quick round the fastest circuit, and to do that you need a touch of drift which he was controlling WHILST racing people.

If you give up on keyboard it's not cos it's too hard, but because you don't have the willingness to bother.
Yea it's quite surprising, but FXO is one of the easiest cars for kb, maybe because the limit is not that small, like in the UF1 for example (where you have to push really hard but still be clean to get fast around the turns without losing speed, it's a bit like real life cart racing :) )

@Barroso: :wave: :smileypul

[AK-Chester]

:lfs: keeps getting better with each and every update... at least it does for me. :smileypul

[spankmeyer]

Some people don't have the patience to learn new things instead of reverting back to same ol' ways. During my years with LFS, I've gone from keyboard -> mouse -> MS non-FF wheel -> DFP -> DFP + clutch pedal + seq-shifter and every time I made a switch my lap times and consistency went to trash can for some time. But you just gotta stick with it and you'll see results later.
Although LFS is far from perfect, there simply isn't any other sim for me that feels as natural.
But best of luck with you in new games! :)

[Ziil]

Well for some reason I can play LFS with keyboard pretty nicely. People who say it's impossible are just not willing to take the time to actually try and learn to use the keyboard they drive like 2 laps and go "Damn, it's like totally impossible" and when they meet someone online who says they are useing keyboard then "Yea, whatever I know you are actually useing a wheel because it's impossible to drive with keyboard."
I just didn't make those sentences up I have been told similar stuff while playin' I am not saying that I am fast or anything with the keyboard but what I am saying is that it is possible to drive at normal speeds and be competetive online.
my times so far:
BL1
XRT-1:24:64
XFG-1:33:5
and there is still a lil' room for improvment:)
(I hope you can understand my english :) )

[deggis]

I have a black momo as well, but I don't use it for LFS - believe me, I've tried a lot, but I just can't get used to it in LFS.

In RBR, the wheel feels pretty good and I'm much faster there than with my joystick. In LFS, it's the opposite.
Huh? are you sure you're using the correct settings for LFS?

[Batterypark]

Huh? are you sure you're using the correct settings for LFS?

If you mean the Logitech control panel, then yes, I am. I've tried "wrong" values too. As for the in-game settings, it's mostly down to personal preference, but I've experimented quite a lot there as well.

[sil3ntwar]

Havent read any posts other than the first one.

If you steer the cars with the keys then you are a fool. There is a mouse sitting next to you that will give you analog steering and make the cars a million times easier to drive.

[filur]

the game now is for mechanics/hardcore sim-drivers only,

It's a real shame, when it could've been another oh-so-rare "some car game"

[Rob76]

See you in another game...
Maybe Toca3 is more your thing, but you won't see any of us there :wave:

[Zoltuger]

Maybe Toca3 is more your thing, but you won't see any of us there :wave:
yeah ahhahahahaha. hahaha. ha. :Looking_a
:tempted: :slap:

[GianniC]

Well... Let me do my talk now :p

I'll keep it shortly, most things that needed to be said are said.
The only thing that I find disturbing at KB/wheel/mouse/joythingy/... is...the level of competition. Don't forget, it isn't all about hotlaping (sorry Rudi & Biggie!). I want to go online, get in a nice,clean server, race, learn a new combo, and be able after x time to race for a reasonable ending position, or at least be able to follow wheel/mouse racers. It would make LFS perfect. It makes me bit sad to see my fastest times are like 1 second behind the fastest wheel racer even if I had 2x as much laps doneo n that combo, and then I'm not talking about Biggie's times or so, just general online times (and ok, I'm not thé fast speedy guy but...).

So, improve something, make the level of competition higher, slightly, not much..just make it a bit more fair. Not by introducing all sorts of 'help systems' for kb racers, we don't have to be the fastest..just let us have fun also in the online racing by being able to compete online. I think a lot of demo racers who often us KB would make thé step that changes your life ;) to LFS S2 !

I'm not saying this out of own intrest, perhaps a little bit..but do you think it's fun for me like this? I understand KBers will (beside oval or something rallyisch) not have any WR's (like AS GP FO8 ;)) thàt's normal, can't argue with that, it's just the handicap KB has! But...LFS is about the online part, the online racing! And if KBers become a bit closer to the general wheel racing level, it would be móre fun randomly online, but also in certain league's. So...the general fun for KBers as for wheel racers as for Mouse racers as for .... would increase. But somehow nobody realises thàt..

About the 'do you see a wheel in a real car?' and 'LFS is about simulation' arguement.. True, completly true. BUT, LFS stays a great game. See the 'game' aspect?! I want to have fun with LFS, and I must say it is véry hard to keep my intrest in LFS, but hey..I'm still here :D :smileypul

So... Conclusion:

KB will be slower then another controller.
Wheel is the best racing controller.
The level of competiton CAN increase in LFS.
The fun CAN increase in LFS.
The realisme CAN increase in LFS.
And that realsime CAN increase, without pushing KB-ers and 'alternative' controller users down and making them slower.
LFS is a great game.

We can all agree about that ?

And as far as I see it, it's about how much this great LFS Community supports us few KB-ers in reaching this, and the (good) willing of the Devs. So therefor I hope that the LFS community see's my arguements in a good way, and understands that it is also 'better' for them, for everyone.

[Bramski]

You can buy a dual analogue control pad on Ebay for about 10-15 pounds inc p&p, which will give you precision control over steering, braking and throttle. I can't see why anyone would want to race with a keyboard unless they're on a laptop and it's not feasible to lug control pads and wheels around.

[GianniC]

Look, it is not about 'why don't you buy a wheel, it's only €25 euros for a cheap one on e-bay', nor it's about to convince people in this topic to buy a wheel, nor why certain people don't race with a wheel.

It's about the fact that there are KB racers in LFS and those few people ask something to this community and Devs, in the hope to get heared.

[Azaazaa]

I have a black momo as well, but I don't use it for LFS - believe me, I've tried a lot, but I just can't get used to it in LFS.

In RBR, the wheel feels pretty good and I'm much faster there than with my joystick. In LFS, it's the opposite.

Exactly same here. I have Microsoft FF joystick and DFP. I use the joystick in LFS, because I'm faster with it and I also find controlling the car much easier/comfortable with it than with wheel. But in RBR it's the opposite, wheel feels better in it than joystick.

[Vain]

I guess the discussion about keyboarders would be pointless if the devs just removed the ability to steer using the keyboard. People would use a mouse, gamepad or wheel and would be happy.

Vain

[ButterTyres]

Exactly same here. I have Microsoft FF joystick and DFP. I use the joystick in LFS, because I'm faster with it and I also find controlling the car much easier/comfortable with it than with wheel. But in RBR it's the opposite, wheel feels better in it than joystick.

I find that really weird, myself and Stikyiky were always faster on the wheel and it seemed to open the game up properly. I cant go back to my other control methods as they seem to unrealistic in comparison.

Suppose everyone's different and they have their preference.

[NaBUru38]

It doesn't need to be solved. If the noobies want to play LFS and experience it fully they will eventually buy a wheel. The whole point of LFS is to be realistic, and keyboards just can't provide that. If they don't want to play LFS or buy a wheel that their loss.

I personally think one of the main reasons people quit LFS in the demo is because the demo is too good - all the features, unlimited online play etc. I say remove or reduce the online content - time limited sessions, demo usernames, no pitstops or something. Then people will be more inclined to buy LFS to see what it's really like (the demo isn't and shouldn't be a fully representation), and then they'll be more inclinded to spend money on a cheap wheel. LFS isn't expensive and wheels don't have to be either.

When are you going to buy a licence Naburu? Same for Wheel4Hummer too :p


Why?

20L (I don't want to search in Character Map) is about 40 US$, which is about 1000 UY$.

My mother earns about 15kUY$ a month, my father has some saved money (he was fired from a bank because it "was" closed down, which happens every ten years), part of which was invested to make a "ferretería" (I don't want to search in Wikipedia). I'm an 18 year-old student.

Our PC is a AMD Athlon 1GHz, 256MB RAM, GF 2 MX-400 (I think) 32MB. Luckily I have ADSL; the 256kbit/s costs 1300 UY$ per month (yes, 50US$ per month). I'm driving with a keyboard and get 8 fps with eight cars at the start (yes, either BL GP or BL RX).

¿Cybercafés? No one has racing simulators or steering wheels (I'm driving NFSMW with decent graphics for 20UY$ per hour, or 1US$). It is said that GTR2 will come to this cybercafé, as all popular game websites feature videos and previews of it.

In other words, it will take a lot of time for me to drive LFS S3 with decent graphics. And I will, so please, let me drive in decent public demo servers, because I love both the game and the project.

[P@ul]

Well for some reason I can play LFS with keyboard pretty nicely. People who say it's impossible are just not willing to take the time to actually try and learn to use the keyboard they drive like 2 laps and go "Damn, it's like totally impossible" and when they meet someone online who says they are useing keyboard then "Yea, whatever I know you are actually useing a wheel because it's impossible to drive with keyboard."
I just didn't make those sentences up I have been told similar stuff while playin' I am not saying that I am fast or anything with the keyboard but what I am saying is that it is possible to drive at normal speeds and be competetive online.
my times so far:
BL1
XRT-1:24:64
XFG-1:33:5
and there is still a lil' room for improvment:)
(I hope you can understand my english :) )

I'm kb-driver too and have the same opinion!

[GianniC]

Question for Ziil and Paul:
You drive anything else then those 2 combo's ?
How much time you spent driving for those times?
Answer honestly and the try the other 744 combo's. Or go drive online on a different combo, or try a league like e.g OLFSL.

Still competitive enough ?

[P@ul]

Question for Ziil and Paul:
You drive anything else then those 2 combo's ?
How much time you spent driving for those times?
Answer honestly and the try the other 744 combo's. Or go drive online on a different combo, or try a league like e.g OLFSL.

Still competitive enough ?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand everything.

What combos do you mean?

I'm playing LFS for 1,5 months and prefer the formula racing cars. (If this was asked :shrug:)

[zeugnimod]

A "combo" is one track/car-COMBination, you drive, e.g. BL1/XFG. :)

You mean, you drive FO8 with kb?? :eek:

[GianniC]

You mean, you drive FO8 with kb?? :eek:

I managed to get 2.17's on FO8 as historic, still 10 secs from WR tho :shrug: :(

[zeugnimod]

I only manage to spin out after 50 meters. :p

Dont think, I could complete one single lap, lol. :D

[robt]

KB is fine for most of the cars....zeug, u want some help? lol i can drive the FO8 fine lol. not exactly fast (1:00 at Fern bay green Rev and 2:10 and kyoto gp long) but still, not exactly years behind (just months) I cant see how people have trouble on kb, i have to use is as i have no room for anything else lol.

[Ziil]

Well for me there is this one problem that I'm a demo driver so I have a pretty limited selection about the "combos" I am pretty sure that about 20-40 laps should be enough for me to start getting some "normal" lap times on a new track:shrug:

[AndroidXP]

KB is fine for most of the cars....zeug, u want some help? lol i can drive the FO8 fine lol. not exactly fast (1:00 at Fern bay green Rev and 2:10 and kyoto gp long) but still, not exactly years behind (just months) I cant see how people have trouble on kb, i have to use is as i have no room for anything else lol.
lol.


j/k

[GianniC]

@ -robt: Clearly some people are talking about just driving around some laps in race and others about driving fast laps, being able to be a thread to the top 5 in a race. I agree you can do "reasonable times" on a certain combo even with rwd, but the gap is still huge, specially on FZR, RA or FO8 for example, not speaking of the XFR then.... And, how many time don't you have to spent to be able to do that "reasonable" time ?! And the 'wheel increases the simulation feeling' arguement, yes yes oké,got a point..but it stay a game, how "realistic" everything may seem!!

:x

But forget it, this is just another thread where everyone thinks "buy a wheel" and for the rest leave us alone. Nothing will be done, barely people want to do something. It's just an endless discussion and there will no 'golden midway' be found..too bad cause that midway does excist I think.

I'll go back into my corner, disappointed -again- about how LFS rejects KB and alternative controller racers.

:ashamed:

[robt]

And, how many time don't you have to spent to be able to do that "reasonable" time ?!
if your asking how long that took......1st flying lap at kyoto gp.

As for the difference between reasonable speed and being fast, its just a matter of using setups, driving lines and driving styles to suit the controller you are using. XFR im not too good in, think i got 8th out of 20drivers in a championship using the XFR. Im also in the top four in an FXO/RB4 championship. But now im straying O/T. I find LFS isn't too bad for people who use KB compared to some games, i havent had a problem. (But then again i found lfs as the S1H patch was released.....so i dont know what it was like before) I have used keyboard, pad and wheel on LFS, i feel comfortable with the wheel, and would be faster with it......but still, im not going to buy a new computer table and chair etc just to make room for the wheel, racing is racing no matter what controller you use.

@AndroidXP - erm, care to explain what on earth you meant?

[AndroidXP]

Your overuse of "lol", lol.

[robt]

Yeah bad habit. sorry.

[mrodgers]

I can confirm that robt is pretty quick with a keyboard. Race with him quite a bit on the CRC Demo server.

Er, or are you NightHawk, or Stoney, or MRooble, who the heck are you? :D

Bit of an inside joke there :thumb: .

[P@ul]

The kb is quite good for the oval race with the F08.
I can't control a F08 in all other locations too, but the F0X is a great car (for kbers too:thumb:).

I know that you can't beat wrs with a kb, but it can be fun.


BTW: I'll get a wheel this week. Then I can give my opinion to the differnces.

[filur]

There are applications available that enable you to use the computer keyboard as a musical keyboard, recording notes into sequencing software such as cubase.

Most musicians tend to go for real keyboards (http://www.studiologic.net/images/tmk88_angle.jpg) tho.

:)

[P@ul]

I made a 43,19sec (F0X / SO Classic) WITH KEYBOARD! :thumb:
The kb-wr is 42,2 , I think, but now I'm ca. in the averange of wheel-racers on this location.

So I just want to say that keyboarders can have a good chance versus wheel-racers if they train a little bit!

[P@ul]

Sorry, it was a 43,54

[ButterTyres]

Just goes to show whats possible with a bit of practice and determination. ;)