LFSTweak Competition for the racers: Fastest Blackwood time

[axus]

The title pretty much says it all. The point is to get a tweaked car around Blackwood GP [standard] as fast as possible. Here are the rules

1. The car must be based on a real life car and relatively close to its real-world counterpart's specifictations.
2. Tyre sizes, mass and engine capacity must be identical to the real life car
3. The peak power and peak torque must be within 5hp and 5Nm respectively of the real car.
4. These must be achieved within (up or down) 200rpm of the real car's peak power and peak torque rpm.

There 3 seperate classes:

Saloon (Road_Normal Tyres)
Toruing (Road_Super Tyres)
GT (Slicks of any kind)

Post your preset and spr replay (HLVC Valid) as well as the real car's specifications with a link to verify them.

You may enter more than once for each class and you may enter in more than one class.

The competition closes 1 April 2006. Good luck and may the best man win! :thumb:

[Lord_Verminaard]

Gonna be really tricky without downforce! Somehow I dont think a crazy 1000 hp car is going to win this one. :)

Brendan

[axus]

Gonna be really tricky without downforce! Somehow I dont think a crazy 1000 hp car is going to win this one. :)

Brendan

That's the point :) I just got my Ultima GTR tweak (setup is still in development which is why it wasn't released) 'round in 1:17.16 on road tyres... I'm sure I can get another 3s out of it though.

[Supraguy]

Cool competition! But I think number 4 is difficult to get close to real:
(4. These must be achieved within (up or down) 200rpm of the real car's peak power and peak torque rpm.)

Some tricks? :)

BTW: Absolute all should be close to real life, as you wroted. Why not the gear ratio? :)

Flying start?

[axus]

Gearing is one of those things that take skill to adjust to the track - this competition is about skill.

About the peak rpm - adjust the power curve value until you get the peak power rpm value close enough then adjust the general power and fix up the peak power rpm again with the power curve value. Then change the powerband width to get the peak torque rpm as close as possible and you should be pretty close to the real world specs of the car.

[Supraguy]

(Updating this post)

Touring Class

1.)Noble M12 GTO 310hp, 434nm, 980kg: 1.23.84
More specs: http://www.supercarsite.net/m12_gto.htm

6815
6812

2.) Corvette C6 Z06 512hk, 638nm, 1420kg: 1.22.91

6881
6813

3.) Koenigsegg CCR 806hk, 920nm, 1180kg: 1.19.47

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7092


GT Class

2.) GT (Slicks) Koenigsegg CCR 806hk, 920nm, 1180kg 1.15.05

7092
7094

[Slidaaaa]

Pretty cool, il be posting mines soon, but, other than the this new record main thing, would be cool if you could make classes like, 200 series whit 200hp lmited power and minimum of 850kg car etc.. :)

edit: mines are ASL Garaiya, and a jgtc Supra... only for now

[Kajojek(PL)]

My first try. (Updating this post) How do i upload files?
See my picture below.

[severin_schoepke]

(Updating this post)


1.)Touring (Super Tyres) Noble M12 GTO 310hp, 434nm, 980kg: 1.23.84
More specs: http://www.supercarsite.net/m12_gto.htm

6815
6812

2.) Touring (Super Tyres) Corvette C6 Z06 512hk, 638nm, 1420kg: 1.23.51

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6813

The Z06 is wonderful to drive! But I can only test drive it when watching the replay... Can you post the setup please? I'd like to drive it on all tracks...

[Supraguy]

The Z06 is wonderful to drive! But I can only test drive it when watching the replay... Can you post the setup please? I'd like to drive it on all tracks...

Thanks. The setting can of course be better, but this is more real.
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Edit: axus, verminaard, slidaa..... post your times!

[sil3ntwar]

Ferrari FXX 1:19.91 The torque isnt quite right its a lot less than it should be and im not sure if the lap was HLVC compliant. Will upload results later when i do it porperly.

[Lord_Verminaard]

Here we go! 1:14:72. :D The car? Dhalback racing's RS1 VW Golf. AWD, 900 hp. :D I have not really done a lot of hotlapping with it as it took me forever to set the car up, but I think it's pretty good now. :)


Brendan

[axus]

Here we go! 1:14:72. :D The car? Dhalback racing's RS1 VW Golf. AWD, 900 hp. :D I have not really done a lot of hotlapping with it as it took me forever to set the car up, but I think it's pretty good now. :)


Brendan

Very nice! Can you give the class and a link to the full specs please? :thumb: Nice time though.

[severin_schoepke]

Thanks. The setting can of course be better, but this is more real.
6827

Edit: axus, verminaard, slidaa..... post your times!

Thanks, gonna try it...

[Lord_Verminaard]

Oops, yea, it's GT class with slicks. :) Here's a link, under the "projects" section on the left. http://www.audituning.com/english/main.asp

I've actually got it around 1:12: a few times in practice but didnt have a replay. :)

Brendan

[severin_schoepke]

2.) Touring (Super Tyres) Corvette C6 Z06 512hk, 638nm, 1420kg: 1.23.51

6814
6813

I played a bit with the Z06 and actually beat your time ;-) 1:23:30

[Supraguy]

I played a bit with the Z06 and actually beat your time ;-) 1:23:30

Nice. But not good enough ;) Check my new time in my first post.

[axus]

Guys, I'm still trying to hook up a good lap in the GT class with my Ultima GTR 640 but my best so far is 1:17... so you better find something a tad quicker...

[Supraguy]

Since Verminaard tried dalback golf, I tried the Dahlback Polo (rwd). Clocked 1.16 :)

[sil3ntwar]

Oops, yea, it's GT class with slicks. :) Here's a link, under the "projects" section on the left. http://www.audituning.com/english/main.asp

I've actually got it around 1:12: a few times in practice but didnt have a replay. :)

Brendanthere is no mention of torque and the horsepower only says between 600 and 900 and it gives no rpm values so it doesnt comply with rules 3 and 4...

[Breizh]

How many laps of blackwood at 10/10ths would that thing survive, anyway?

[sinbad]

RUF 996 Turbo R
http://www.supercarsite.net/996_turbo_r.htm

Touring Class (Road Supers)

Setup is not good, but car can at least be driven :)

[Lord_Verminaard]

there is no mention of torque and the horsepower only says between 600 and 900 and it gives no rpm values so it doesnt comply with rules 3 and 4...

Actually there is, under dyno tests. Also the "media" section has video and dyno testing with real numbers.

Brendan

[Supraguy]

1.15.14 with koeniggsegg ccr slicks. Possible to make low 1.14.
*Updating first post*

[Warper]

Did a 1.16.0x with Gumpert Apollo on Slicks. But it's possible to get much faster. Have to work on the set...

Greets,
Warper

PS: 1.12.99 HLVC - with Exvitermini Skyline GT-R 700 on slicks...

[modenaf1]

1:57.74!! w00t!

The real life car I simulated to do this with is my 1989 Nissan Sentra. I know the on the limit handling characteristics quite well, so I decided to tune it. The engine specs in the game and the torque curve is actually VERY close to real life, although, the game's 90hp sure feels a helluva lot faster than the real life 90hp. In my car I can't smoke the tires as easilly as you can in the game, and I don't think I would even have a prayer at getting the real life car over 100mph even if it were downhill and I was drafting a semi.

Attached is my LFS tweak settings as well as the setup for the XF GTi that goes along with it. It is actually pretty fun, watch out for that oversteer, and if you really want to be realistic, don't shift any later than 6200 RPM. :D If you will excuse me, I'll be driving my LFS real life car. :D

[severin_schoepke]

My entry: 2003 Nissan 350Z (Saloon class, 'road normal' tyres)

Real:
287 hp @ 6200 rpm
274 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
3,197 lbs
Weight distribution (F/R): 53/47
1: 3.794:1
2: 2.324:1
3: 1.624:1
4: 1.271:1
5: 1.000:0
6: 0.794:1
Final drive: 3.538:1
Differential: viscous limited slip
Quarter mile: 14.1
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0307scc_8great350/

LFS:
287 hp @ 6254 rpm
267 lb-ft @ 4908 rpm
3,179 lbs
Weight distribution (F/R): 53/47
1: 3.794:1
2: 2.324:1
3: 1.624:1
4: 1.271:1
5: 1.000:0
6: 0.794:1
Final drive: 3.538:1
Differential: viscous limited slip
Quarter mile: 14.3

The LFS car is slightly lighter but a bit less powerful (only 267 lb-ft torque) so it should match the real performance rather exactly. The quarter mile time is about the same with LFS being a bit slower, that's probably because of my (not so perfect) launch technique ;-).
I made the setup using as much real values as I found: I used the original gearing and fitted a viscous diff. The suspension is set up a bit understeering like they complaint in Best Motoring (BMI Vol. 6 "The 350Z Shock).
Because of the long gearing the LFS shift light is at about 8000 rpm, way above the redline at 6600. The real car has a rev limiter at 6600 so I always shifted at 6600 to 'simulate' this.

Blackwood time is 1:29:15 (I,ll work a bit on it to bring it down a little ;-))

(Attachment contains tweak, setup and replay)

[Jakg]

nice work severin!

[severin_schoepke]

Nice. But not good enough ;) Check my new time in my first post.

I'm down to 1:22.35 :-) But I won't post it, it's your car... Have to say it again, it's a fantastic car, the feeling when you floor it in third gear after a corner and the car goes like crazy is just wonderful ;-)

I really want a big V8 engined sports car in LFS... Devs please? ;-)

[severin_schoepke]

nice work severin!

Thanks!

The 350Z feels pretty good in LFS since it is not too far away from the XR GT Turbo... Other cars are not too easy to recreate and feel strange, since they don't fit the donor car's suspension or stuff like that...

If I find specs for a nicely tuned Supra (500hp+ ;-) ) I'll go for the 'road super' tyres class, any suggestions?

And I probably gonna make the Ur-GTI (1976) and the 2004 Golf GTI to compare... I think the old one might be better than the new one since it weighs only about the half! We we'll see...

[olabero]

Touring class

1) Porsche 911 Turbo s (1998): 4wd, 444hp, 1456kg - 1.21.41

http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/Porsche/1998Porsche911TurboS.htm

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2) Dodge Viper (2005): 500hp, 1544kg - 1.22.25

http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/Dodge/2005DodgeViperSRT-10Coupe.htm

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6987

[Breizh]

Touring-
Production F430: 1'20"04'"
Tuned by Novitec Rosso (http://novitecrosso.com/start.html): 1'18"72"'

There oughta be a tuning subclass, production and tuned cars are different animals altogether.

[Supraguy]

Breizh: The car doesnt comply with rules 4. :shrug:

The real torque is: 465.0 Nm / 343.0 ft lbs at 5250 rpm and your car has 460nm/6535rpm.

It is very difficult, maybe impossible? to make high rev enging/low torque engines in lfs s2 :(

[Breizh]

Would it really be faster with less torque, that much higher?
Going to try and fix it.

479bhp@8375 / 475Nm@5333 is the closest I get.
Going to redo the hotlaps with this one.

[Supraguy]

Would it really be faster with less torque, that much higher?
Going to try and fix it.

479bhp@8375 / 475Nm@5333 is the closest I get.
Going to redo the hotlaps with this one.

I don't know. But now the torque is nice. ;)

[Breizh]

Hey gimme a break, i'm stupid :)
I'm just going to rip the engine settings from someone else's F430.

Ok I have it all pretty much spot on. Anyone know what the revspeed should be? At 1, it seems pretty slow for this car.

[Breizh]

1'18"73 with a 2005 Gallardo.

[Supraguy]

Nice time, but where do you get the specs from? It doesn't comply with the rules: http://www.supercarsite.net/gallardo.htm
I tried to make the gallardo my self, but I didn't make it close enough to real life.


btw: (Touring class) 1.19.47 with Koenigsegg CC. (updating first post)

[Breizh]

05 Gallardo SE from auto-specs and wikipedia.
What rules does it not comply with?

edit - You're right, I must not have saved the last tweaks i made to the engine...
I'll do another.

I can't get the tq rpm closer than 500rpm too high.. the other figures are within tolerance.
Axus can take it or leave it, or relax the rules, or someone else can find the right inputs, this is more work than fun.
I think it's normal certain real engines will not map according to the game's simplified physics.

Anyway, on track I am never under 5500rpm, except for one turn, I push from 6000rpm.
real gallardo in bold:
498bhp@8147 - 500 bhp@8000
510Nm@5130 - 510 Nm@4500

1'18"75

[Flotch]

1'17''78 with the ruf 996 of sindbad :) , not good at all, but like I am hurt at my right hand, I will not do a better time soon :thumb:
Nice idea BTW :thumbsup:

[Flotch]

sinbad's ruf : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=85218#post85218
actually, I still can drive (try at least :) )
1'16''94

ps : cannot we change the upladed files when editing a post?? I did not find how to...


edit : 1'16''37 ... can do a 1'15 :P

[tristancliffe]

Advanced Editor, manage attachements - delete/upload...

[Flotch]

TY, understood :D

[axus]

05 Gallardo SE from auto-specs and wikipedia.
What rules does it not comply with?

edit - You're right, I must not have saved the last tweaks i made to the engine...
I'll do another.

I can't get the tq rpm closer than 500rpm too high.. the other figures are within tolerance.
Axus can take it or leave it, or relax the rules, or someone else can find the right inputs, this is more work than fun.
I think it's normal certain real engines will not map according to the game's simplified physics.

Anyway, on track I am never under 5500rpm, except for one turn, I push from 6000rpm.
real gallardo in bold:
498bhp@8147 - 500 bhp@8000
510Nm@5130 - 510 Nm@4500

1'18"75

That's fair enough - a shorter powerband would make you slower anyway. :thumb:

[bal00]

Touring Class:

Bugatti EB 16.4 Veyron, 1001hp @ 6000rpm, 1250Nm @ 2200-5500rpm, 1950KG
Specs: http://www.supercarsite.net/eb_164_veyron.htm
Tire specs: http://www.michelin.de/de/news/news_detail.jsp?id=16228&codeRubrique=1081

1.14.95

http://blinkerfluid.net/lfs/veyron.twk
http://blinkerfluid.net/lfs/veyron.spr


I may need to fiddle with the engine specs a little since the redline could be higher, but at least its within the rules.

[severin_schoepke]

Touring Class:

Bugatti EB 16.4 Veyron, 1001hp @ 6000rpm, 1250Nm @ 2200-5500rpm, 1950KG
Specs: http://www.supercarsite.net/eb_164_veyron.htm
Tire specs: http://www.michelin.de/de/news/news_detail.jsp?id=16228&codeRubrique=1081

1.14.95

http://blinkerfluid.net/lfs/veyron.twk
http://blinkerfluid.net/lfs/veyron.spr


I may need to fiddle with the engine specs a little since the redline could be higher, but at least its within the rules.

The Veyron has a 16 cylinder engine, I thought LFSTweak does not support this?

[bal00]

You're right, it doesn't, but I figure a V12 is close enough. The W16 has about the same dimensions as a V12, the output matches in terms of torque and power, and the weight distribution is correct, so basically only the sound is different.

[Flotch]

1'13''93 with your veyron

[Breizh]

Flotch could you please make a base setup for the F430 and Gallardo? :)

[Flotch]

not a very god lap : 1'16''84 with your Gallardo...quite fun to drive a 4WD with NA engine ;)


edit : 1'17 with the F430...bad set, bad driver :thumb:

[Breizh]

Cool, thanks!

[BrandoonWa]

Anyone else having trouble getting these to work? My car disappears when I use anything but the 350Z tweek preset.

[Smurfen]

I have made a try re-creating a Acura NSX with the XRT i think the result was good.
im not sure it is right but i hope and think so!:thumb:

Acura NSX
http://www.supercarsite.net/nsx.htm

Rear wheel drive
engine: 3.2 liter V6
Power: 216 kw (290bhp) @ 5592 rpm
torque: 428 nm (315 lbft) @ 3707 rpm
total mass: 1430 kg
power-weight: 151w/kg 206bhp/ton
weight dist: 43.2 F 56.8 R
Blackwood time: 1:29:68

:thumb:

[NegativeGeForce]

it probably still has alot more work left in it, but here it is...

1988 Group-A Toyota Supra

Summary:
Fully-fitted factory road race car.
3.0L Turbocharged 7M-GTE (2 BAR) 580hp 450tq @ crank

1:15.90 is my best run, Its probaby a high 1:14 car

page for more info about the car http://www.turbosupras.com/pages/en/pages/specifications/MA70GA/ma70ga.htm

the pictures are down on that site, but here is a picture i found on google...
http://www.geocities.jp/d_force_net/CAR/FUJIMI/TC-99.JPG

[BrandoonWa]

I have made a try re-creating a Acura NSX with the XRT i think the result was good.
im not sure it is right but i hope and think so!:thumb:

Acura NSX
http://www.supercarsite.net/nsx.htm

Rear wheel drive
engine: 3.2 liter turbocharged V6
Power: 286 kw (384bhp) @ 5904 rpm
torque: 548 nm (404 lbft) @ 3810 rpm
total mass: 1430 kg
power-weight: 200w/kg 275bhp/ton
weight dist: 43.2 F 56.8 R
Blackwood time: 1:25:89

:thumb:





What NSX is this? It's obviously not the stock version... it's a non-turbo making maybe 280bhp...

[Smurfen]

its supposed 2 be this one: http://www.supercarsite.net/nsx.htm

but i see my mistake now i will change it!:)

EDIT: Changed it! hopefully right this time :)

[bal00]

Anyone else having trouble getting these to work? My car disappears when I use anything but the 350Z tweek preset.

You have to check if the tweak uses "," or "." as a decimal point, otherwise the values will be way off and LFS won't load the car. Open the .twk file with a text editor and if necessary, replace "," with ".".

[Turbo_Fury]

Did a 1.16.0x with Gumpert Apollo on Slicks. But it's possible to get much faster. Have to work on the set...

Greets,
Warper

PS: 1.12.99 HLVC - with Exvitermini Skyline GT-R 700 on slicks...

That GTR 700 .twk.. PLEASE SEND IT TO ME!

[BrandoonWa]

its supposed 2 be this one: http://www.supercarsite.net/nsx.htm

but i see my mistake now i will change it!:)

EDIT: Changed it! hopefully right this time :)


Hehe, nope, still the stock one. At least that's the one I get.

Changing to "." from "," worked. Thanks a bunch.

[axus]

Touring Class - Flotch : 1:13.93

Bugatti EB 16.4 Veyron

Saloon Class - severin_schoepke : 1:29.15

2003 Nissan 350Z

GT Class - Warper : 1:12.99

Exvitermini Skyline GT-R 700
[Note: this time will be disqualified if no replay, .twk file and real life car specs are provided within the next 2 days] (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=37211)

[severin_schoepke]

Saloon Class - severin_schoepke : 1:29.15

2003 Nissan 350Z

Hehe, it's not that hard to win if you're the only one in your class:D

[Mapsa]

Here are GTR 700's specs: http://exvitermini.com/r33specs.htm

[Warper]

GT Class - Warper : 1:12.99

Exvitermini Skyline GT-R 700
[Note: this time will be disqualified if no replay, .twk file and real life car specs are provided within the next 2 days]

It was more a tech demo then a competition participation. The reason is, that i didn't found any complete specsheet. So i do not completely respecting the rules :) I even did not save the tweak - just wanted you to know whats possible...

[axus]

Ah, so you won't mind if I give the place to the next person in line?

[Warper]

That was my intention in writing my last post. But thanks for PM'ing and reminding me!

Greets,
Warper

[freaker1109]

hi,i didnt want to open a new threaad so im posting it in here.

So are there any new threads/posts with real car setups and "tweaks"?
Im searching for these things like in this thread,but this seems the only one.
Are there any others?

[[RCG]Boosted]

the search button, ur best friend :p
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=5575

[Phill]

some people seem to be having a hard time with him, thus NOT making him their friend.