me and a friend banned off of 400 server see replay

[richy]

well see for yourself by the replay. he got banned because he was being lapped and hit the leader who was still the leader... but [400]Bawbag banned him because he spun out... i then enquired if they banned him, as my friend had said sorry then disconnected, they said because he was not clean, well he said sorry to the guy he hit but the guy who spun out obviously took out his temper and banned him, then me for asking why.

this is the first time he had gone on that rallyx with that car as he just got the game, now i have to explain to him why we got banned off of the only rallyx server and we have to go back to the demo to play some.

this 400 guy is a little careless with his admin priveledges be careful when he is about...

[szyszek]

point being? :Looking_a


I mean we've been over this a million times. You can't expect everyone to be a fair person... welcome to the 'net.
Things like this happen. If it happens to you? My advice: go to a different server and enjoy yourself. I really don't see the point of posting here about every little incident.

for the record: No, I didn't watch the replay because I couldn't possibly be bothered.

[Gabkicks]

yes the 400 guys are quick to ban :p. one banned me a while ago even though his teammates told him it was his fault.:shrug: dont take it personal

[Lible]

I personally agree that 400 guys are umm.. bad. One day I showed the left hazard light, and drove myself to the left, but he started to take me over from left. :shrug:

[Fonnybone]

I'm sorry to say i agree with szyszek. Just like in any game, and in
real life for that matter, there are misunderstandings, impatient people
and sometimes the wrong person gets accused. These forums are not
policing any server. Personally i don't like playing the blame game and
pointing fingers. So your friend had a bad experience, that's unfortunate,
but there's not much anyone here can do about it. We've all had a bad
experience once and you and you're friend shouldn't let that get to you.

What bothers me is why people don't post everytime they have good
experiences ? Why does it have to be negative...LFS has a strong
community preciselly because there ARE some decent and fun people
here and because there ARE some good and fun servers :thumb:
One individual on one occasion is not representative. Maybe he
had a bad day also, you never know...

[Hyperactive]

Was it first time? Even if not it was a stupid move by your friend.

Looked almost "non-accidental" ;)

Have raced with bawbag and had no problems. Sure he bans&kicks reckless drivers but imho he did the right choise. Not that it is any of my business :)

[richy]

I'm sorry to say i agree with szyszek. Just like in any game, and in
real life for that matter, there are misunderstandings, impatient people
and sometimes the wrong person gets accused. These forums are not
policing any server. Personally i don't like playing the blame game and
pointing fingers. So your friend had a bad experience, that's unfortunate,
but there's not much anyone here can do about it. We've all had a bad
experience once and you and you're friend shouldn't let that get to you.

What bothers me is why people don't post everytime they have good
experiences ? Why does it have to be negative...LFS has a strong
community preciselly because there ARE some decent and fun people
here and because there ARE some good and fun servers :thumb:
One individual on one occasion is not representative. Maybe he
had a bad day also, you never know...

dont worry we arnt angry or anything, i already knew what its like so i just told him, but i do think sometimes admins should be a bit kinder to guys who are slow, learning and are apologetic for mistakes.

[Bawbag]

I banned your friend because he was just cruising around untill TPC 3ttan came round the outside of him and he smacked into him, I then stopped, awaited his reaction (none) and banned.

You however timed out from the server.

He's the 1st person i've banned on LFS (except a vote) and we barely have servers up long enough for idiots to come in and ruin the race, so we rarely ban but bitch all you want, doesn't bother me.

Anyway,

[Bawbag]

I personally agree that 400 guys are umm.. bad. One day I showed the left hazard light, and drove myself to the left, but he started to take me over from left. :shrug:

:thumb:

I think your getting a bit confused, in real life you indicated to let a car know that it is safe to pass, I mean if we all used our indicators in a race we would all have to pass a driving test, right?

Why move over anyway? I mean if he is going to overtake you he is ready to pass anyway, so moving over is a bit silly is it not as he was probarly going past the left then you move over. I'm sure you could be called a very bad boy for moving over to the left when one of us 400 guys were going to overtake, and it seemed like you were trying to stop the driver getting past?

[AndroidXP]

As far as I can remember Mr. Bawbag gets a bit temperamental when wrecking, no matter if intentional or not, occurs. I still have a replay of a, lets say "heated debate" as some other racer (avih) tried to let him pass by braking on the straight. Anyone can have a bad day, I guess ;)

[richy]

I banned your friend because he was just cruising around untill TPC 3ttan came round the outside of him and he smacked into him, I then stopped, awaited his reaction (none) and banned.

You however timed out from the server.

He's the 1st person i've banned on LFS (except a vote) and we barely have servers up long enough for idiots to come in and ruin the race, so we rarely ban but bitch all you want, doesn't bother me.

Anyway,

well we were there from qualifying so he didnt join mid race he was being lapped, he also said sorry but you banned him. and you can see he didnt even hit first place hard enough to make him lose control. i think you were just angry because you spun out and took it out on him. but thats ok i guess a lot of admins are like that.

if i timed out thats ok im not worried about that its not as if i were gonna stay when my friend was banned eh :shrug:

just dont be so harsh with the bans please?

[mrbogeyman]

hmmm,

maybe, just maybe, this is a misunderstanding between two racers that has been blown out of proportion. :scratchch:shrug:

generally IRL indicating a certain way means you are moving that way, BUT in racing many people signal the side on which they want someone to pass.....so it is very easy to be confused.

[AndroidXP]

i think you were just angry because you spun out and took it out on him.No, he spun because he opened the console getting ready to ban your friend. Apparently your friend took too long to type sorry, so the ban was the result.

[richy]

No, he spun because he opened the console getting ready to ban your friend. Apparently your friend took too long to type sorry, so the ban was the result.

could be :tilt: who knows.

[MyBoss]

hmmm,
generally IRL indicating a certain way means you are moving that way, BUT in racing many people signal the side on which they want someone to pass.....so it is very easy to be confused.


I've seen some videoes from Nurburgring, and everyone that was lapped used their signal to the left if they wanted to stay on the left side of the road and vice versa (or whatever :-P)

[AndroidXP]

I just thought exactly the same :D (BMW M3 GTR with Hans-Joachim Stuck?)

[Bawbag]

As far as I can remember Mr. Bawbag gets a bit temperamental when wrecking, no matter if intentional or not, occurs. I still have a replay of a, lets say "heated debate" as some other racer (avih) tried to let him pass by braking on the straight. Anyone can have a bad day, I guess ;)

Mr.Bawbag does get angry when stupid things happen and he gets blamed :D

Just to give a summary of that day, I was slip streaming behind "Avih" was about 2-3m off his bumper on the star/finish straight of Aston national in the XFR and he lets off the throttle fully, I managed to get out quick enough but my rear clipped his and fcukled me up, then I got the blame. Once again, not racing, just a plain mind blank.

And yes I spun on my own accord in that race because I was concentrating on other things but hey, I don't ask people to come into my servers, I dont claim to be Mr.Forgiveness or be the nicest of nice admins, I started for the server for a few of us who wanted to practice for our league race and well, when you are mid way througha race and the leader gets shunted off it's not someone who's going to stay, and if I just kicked him he would come back and do it again, so a 12 hour ban came around.

Anyway how can you enjoy racing something when your going that slow and having to let the leaders pass? :(

[Rob76]

well we were there from qualifying so he didnt join mid race he was being lapped, he also said sorry but you banned him. and you can see he didnt even hit first place hard enough to make him lose control. i think you were just angry because you spun out and took it out on him. but thats ok i guess a lot of admins are like that.

if i timed out thats ok im not worried about that its not as if i were gonna stay when my friend was banned eh :shrug:

just dont be so harsh with the bans please?
Without seeing any build up in prior races I don't know if there was any 'build up' to the ban i.e. previous incidents and/or warnings.

It did seem a little harsh if taken in isolation, especially as he did apologise and the leader wasn't badly affected. If the timing of the blue flags is captured accurately in replays, then your friend didn't get too much warning of the leaders approach and beginners don't often remember to check the track map to see if they're about to be caught. He had run wide and so his mirrors didn't show the leader approaching either. I disagree with Hyperactive as to me it didn't look intentional in the slightest.

A little harsh (again, taken in isolation), probably influenced a little by Bawbag's self induced spin in the middle of a close 15 lap battle.

I suggest your friend keeps practising... the positives of LFS online far out weigh the negative experiences...

[MyBoss]

I just thought exactly the same :D (BMW M3 GTR with Hans-Joachim Stuck?)


That one too :D

[Rob76]

Anyway how can you enjoy racing something when your going that slow and having to let the leaders pass? :(

None of us would have enjoyed LFS as beginners if that was the case. There's so many track and car options available that most of us can be slow when we try a new combination. I've done very little RallyX and so would be considerably off the pace - doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy it.

I'd sure enjoy racing for Toro Rosso in F1, but I'd be forever letting the leaders past :)

[AndroidXP]

Mr.Bawbag does get angry when stupid things happen and he gets blamed :D:D

To avih's defense, shortly before he braked you made a slight sweep to the right, which in his mirrors may have looked like you're passing him right now, triggering his braking. The rest is history (but the argument after it was still unnecessary).

Whatever :tilt:

[Bawbag]

Rob, it wasn't a close battle, he was about 2 seconds ahead when the incident occured and I wasn't going faster to catch him as his rear left would have been gone by lap 8, we raced again and the same happend, small gap openeded, his tyre went red then I cought up, that's all we wanted to do, test how well 15 laps went, not get smashed off by a back marker.

In real life situations like Nurburgring, yes you can use the indicators and they will have been told what to do, IE go to the side you are indicating too, in LFS there is no briefign before a race and usually if the leader comes up behind you he will be prepared to overtake, if you move over late there is a 50/50 chance he will go the same way so indicators are best left or used early if you ask me.

But in the above situations, the indicators were used while battleing for position, not blue flag situations.

[richy]

he just got the game and a wheel so just going round the course the first time was obviously still gonna be fun. :D Winning isnt everything :thumb:

edit: what do you guys think of some sort of sin bin like ice hockey can something like be put in so people arnt just banned for a racing incident?

[Bawbag]

:D

To avih's defense, shortly before he braked you made a slight sweep to the right, which in his mirrors may have looked like you're passing him right now, triggering his braking. The rest is history (but the argument after it was still unnecessary).

Whatever :tilt:

So going slightly right when about 10M away form him means i'm ovrtaking, yea right, then when i'm back in his slip stream he brakes, alot of denfense there. :pillepall

I've never seen to cars in battle before when the one infront brakes when the car behind is clearly going faster and in the slip stream, not racing so I don't know how you can try to "defend" him.

It's history anyway, so is earlier on, all we wanna do is race and everyone gets mad when you get crashed off, even worse when you are mid way through a 20 minuit race. I'm sure you didn't have a huge smile on your face when Avih braked late, hit you, you hit another car then got rolled?

[L(Oo)ney]

Personally i don't like playing the blame game and
pointing fingers.

Do you get your monkey to do that for you instead? :D

[Rob76]

Rob, it wasn't a close battle, he was about 2 seconds ahead when the incident occured and I wasn't going faster to catch him as his rear left would have been gone by lap 8, we raced again and the same happend, small gap openeded, his tyre went red then I cought up, that's all we wanted to do, test how well 15 laps went, not get smashed off by a back marker.


But he was hardly smashed off by the backmarker. Maybe you should have been just as quick to type a friendly warning as to ban (again, I don't know if they'd been warned in prior races).

When running a server I've only banned someone once for deliberate wrecking and foul language and certainly wouldn't ban or kick people who are at least trying to race properly - I'd rather help them learn by making their experience fun and positive. The driver in question had braked and raced cleanly into the first corner - usually a reasonable sign that they're not out to spoil the race.

Anyway, as the ban was only 12hrs, life can go on...

[MyBoss]

So going slightly right when about 10M away form him means i'm ovrtaking, yea right, then when i'm back in his slip stream he brakes, alot of denfense there. :pillepall:




Everyone can have a bad moment, raced Avih allot, or atleast enough to know hes a fair and clean driver.
Everyone makes mistakes now and then, even Michael Schumacher and Raikkonen.:shrug:

[Bawbag]

I've raced Avih alot to and still race him from time to time, he is a good clean racer but the argument was started because I got the blame, I mean he clearly knew he made a mistake but blamed me, that's how these shit things start.

[avih]

thx for your support guys ;)
Just to sum it up, I was leading him, i DID break on the main straight with the intention that he passes (just didn't like racing too close to him, from prior experience, he's too bad tempered for my taste), Appearantly I wasn't carefull enough on my breaking and he hit me from behind. I didn't mean to cause him to crash me, but I misscalculated his position (or lag, whatever). I didn't blame him, but he just went mental. The rest is history...

The guy just does bad rep for [400] guys. The rest of the [400] guys are very friendly imho. You can still change mate, you're a great racer, but your temper does bad for everyone.

[richy]

oops :schwitz:

[mepresident]

I dont thinks this kind of threads have any meaning.

hoo and you are wrong bawbag you are wrong abou the right/left light thing. You shoud use the light/side you are taking.

Anyway, i dont have any complaint about any 400 racer, and i personaly thing they are fair guys.

Greets

[Jakg]

at least you werent on a demo server, i was second in a race, was typing a message as i slowed down after the race, didt see a car infront of me, ended up rear-ending him @ 5 Mph, he banned me for being a "wrecker", then my friend joined, and got banned for joining!

[Bawbag]

thx for your support guys ;)
Just to sum it up, I was leading him, i DID break on the main straight with the intention that he passes (just didn't like racing too close to him, from prior experience, he's too bad tempered for my taste), Appearantly I wasn't carefull enough on my breaking and he hit me from behind. I didn't mean to cause him to crash me, but I misscalculated his position (or lag, whatever). I didn't blame him, but he just went mental. The rest is history...

The guy just does bad rep for [400] guys. The rest of the [400] guys are very friendly imho. You can still change mate, you're a great racer, but your temper does bad for everyone.

I still don't get why you braked though :pillepall You had to slow down because of a car ahead of you going onto the straight, I had just cought your slip stream while doing about 10mph more than you, it's not as if we'd be side by side round the next corner or have any "close racing" as I would be a long way ahead into T1.

I barely even remember racing you before that day Avih, i've been in the same server but never remember any close battles or anything with you, usually one of us is better at the combo and flys by, all I remember.

Obviously i'm to bad a racer for your standards Avih, maybe you should get some restriction set on me that I cant race within 20metres of you, then you would be able to race nicely, right?

[Tukko]

Obviously i'm to bad a racer for your standards Avih, maybe you should get some restriction set on me that I cant race within 20metres of you, then you would be able to race nicely, right?
Can I have one of those please? :D ehrm.. just kiddin :haha::drink:

[avih]

I'm not going to turn this into a fight. sorry.

[holycow]

i kinda feel that this thread should be found on team 400's forum...

all in all it's pretty uninteresting to the rest of us..sure if bawbag banned every tom, dick and harry that entered the server then ppl would be warned and would stay away from the server, but afaik that is not the case

i wonder how this forum would look like if every person that had a bad experience on a server made a post every time :P

[Bawbag]

WOW! 35 posts later and the 1st one to make sense has finally arrived, well done HolyCow, you will now be unbanned from my server!!!!

:D

[B2B@300]

Welcome to the world of competitive simultated racing :tilt: where just as in real life the range of drivers is from young hot guns with fiery tempers to the old cool hands who patiently await their next move if it be this race or the next and nothing ever seems to fluster them :razz:

I've seen drivers in real life come to blows on the side of the track, it happens its a adrenalin filled competitive sport :schwitz: and although alot see this as just a game, some take it very seriously :shy: .

Alot of people come on here and winge about being banned too quickly and admins being harsh, well thats true, but thats because not every server in the list is good for new guys, LFS doesn't have an auto-grading system so you have to find racers with similar level to yourself.

While I'm all for helping new guys, and those that know me will know this is true, I think you also have to stop and consider where the fast racer is coming from too. I don't know this for sure as I haven't talked with Bawbag recently (we live on the opposite sides of the world :p) but from reading what he has to say, they had setup a server for the purpose of doing some practise for an upcoming league event and most likely just left it open for other similar level drivers to come along and practise for that event as well... you just happened to drop in and start racing with them when you were clearly out of your league, so probably got banned just as much for that as anything else :shrug: because their interest is in similar level drivers not drivers that are way off the pace :shy: don't take it personally, I'm sure Bawbag doesn't have a vandetta against you, go onto another server get better at LFS then come back at a later stage and get your revenge by beating Bawbag :D

When you enter a server try and get a feel for the atmosphere there and act accordingly, hey I've been arround for quite some time in LFS but there is still car track combos where I will not just jump in with other drivers who are near WR pace and ruin it for them, I'll go find the same combo with more average drivers or goto an empty server and set up that combo and do some practise first, then return when I at least know the proper lines for that track and are a little closer to the pace for the level of driver on that server. If I do race on a server where I'm not fairly confident, I'll deliberately get out of the way of everyone before turn1 and then try and catch the field :D if it looks like I'm going to be lapped I'd probably pit :scratchch if I wasn't 100% confident I could let them through cleanly, as I'm still learning and not there to race competitively.

Also I just looked at the replay your friend was having alot of trouble just getting around the track (was loosing control an average of 3 - 4 times a lap) so was always a reciepe for disastor, one of the first things to learn is to re-enter a track cleanly when you have had an off... my guess is he is not even confident with mirrors, the map in top right hand corner and the look buttons, so you would have been much better off finding an empty server to practise with your mate first before bringing him onto a server with high level drivers. Just my 2cents

P.s. I would have the above opinions regardless of wether Bawbag was a teammate or not.

[Baked Nut]

I banned your friend because he was just cruising around untill TPC 3ttan came round the outside of him and he smacked into him, I then stopped, awaited his reaction (none) and banned.

Awaited his reaction huh.....he said sorry in the demo i just watched....maybe if u cant see that maybe you got the crash wrong too :P

Yes he shouldn't have hit him but i think in that situation the fast drivers coming from behind should allow extra room so that inexperianced drivers don't make a mistake.

[richy]

Welcome to the world of competitive simultated racing :tilt: where just as in real life the range of drivers is from young hot guns with fiery tempers to the old cool hands who patiently await their next move if it be this race or the next and nothing ever seems to fluster them :razz:

I've seen drivers in real life come to blows on the side of the track, it happens its a adrenalin filled competitive sport :schwitz: and although alot see this as just a game, some take it very seriously :shy: .

Alot of people come on here and winge about being banned too quickly and admins being harsh, well thats true, but thats because not every server in the list is good for new guys, LFS doesn't have an auto-grading system so you have to find racers with similar level to yourself.

While I'm all for helping new guys, and those that know me will know this is true, I think you also have to stop and consider where the fast racer is coming from too. I don't know this for sure as I haven't talked with Bawbag recently (we live on the opposite sides of the world :p) but from reading what he has to say, they had setup a server for the purpose of doing some practise for an upcoming league event and most likely just left it open for other similar level drivers to come along and practise for that event as well... you just happened to drop in and start racing with them when you were clearly out of your league, so probably got banned just as much for that as anything else :shrug: because their interest is in similar level drivers not drivers that are way off the pace :shy: don't take it personally, I'm sure Bawbag doesn't have a vandetta against you, go onto another server get better at LFS then come back at a later stage and get your revenge by beating Bawbag :D

When you enter a server try and get a feel for the atmosphere there and act accordingly, hey I've been arround for quite some time in LFS but there is still car track combos where I will not just jump in with other drivers who are near WR pace and ruin it for them, I'll go find the same combo with more average drivers or goto an empty server and set up that combo and do some practise first, then return when I at least know the proper lines for that track and are a little closer to the pace for the level of driver on that server. If I do race on a server where I'm not fairly confident, I'll deliberately get out of the way of everyone before turn1 and then try and catch the field :D if it looks like I'm going to be lapped I'd probably pit :scratchch if I wasn't 100% confident I could let them through cleanly, as I'm still learning and not there to race competitively.

Also I just looked at the replay your friend was having alot of trouble just getting around the track (was loosing control an average of 3 - 4 times a lap) so was always a reciepe for disastor, one of the first things to learn is to re-enter a track cleanly when you have had an off... my guess is he is not even confident with mirrors, the map in top right hand corner and the look buttons, so you would have been much better off finding an empty server to practise with your mate first before bringing him onto a server with high level drivers. Just my 2cents

P.s. I would have the above opinions regardless of wether Bawbag was a teammate or not.

well is there some way to mark your server to say NO new people allowed? because its unfair to just ban someone off of the only rallyx server in the list. just because you think youre all too good to be practicing with new guys doesnt mean they deserve a ban. how about an explaination before u ban them? i think you are sticking up for him because hes your team mate, definately.

edit: i watched a replay of league racing, not rally cross i must admit, but on the track people got lapped too, being lapped is a part of motorsport, i dont think in formula 1 people get banned for starting out and not braking records.

[Tweaker]

The server owners/admins can do whatever they want. You are entering THEIR domain, under THEIR control. Don't you get that richy? And why must you create a thread about ANOTHER one of your problems online? Seems to me you still haven't taught yourself the concept of online gaming :zombie:

Now where is a moderator, because I'd be happy to see this end swiftly.... unlike your other thread.

[Gabkicks]

i dunno if team400 still does it but they used to have certain rules like on blackwood where only those that could go under 1:33 were allowed on the server. Mybe making that more clear would prevent newbies from ruining races. Usually the faster someone is, the more predictable they are. It takes skill to avoid accidents from both people involved.

[richy]

yeah i learnt my lesson before, i went about it the wrong way that i know now. but i will continue to make these threads because new guys are treated like crap and until they arnt these threads will still happen. i havent posted about servers i havent had issues with, only the so-called servers that hold the "good racers" who aparantly are fast but treat new people like crap. if an admin wants to do whatever they want in their domain they should expect the flak from it too, just like the users of that server get the flak from them.

why should a player walk away banned for not being fast enough or good enough, and the admin sit there on the server acting cocky with his mates laughing at the fact that another newbie just got banned, har har. no.

this time i got the replay, this time i didnt get angry. and this time i made a point.

[Tweaker]

but i will continue to make these threads because new guys are treated like crap and until they arnt these threads will still happen.

I honestly hope it is your last. Because threads like these mean absolute SQUAT. You have to realize that people only see threads like these as an opportunity to tell the person in 'DIRE NEED OF ATTENTION' that stuff like this happens no matter what game you play online, and you need to face it, and not keep creating threads. Because they DON'T help in making noobies accepted more on specific servers.

As far as I know, there are tons of servers that have no problems at all with beginners. Everyone needs to stick around to learn. But if an admin decides you need to get out of their server, FINE, but don't complain about it thinking you will get flowers and chocolates for being heroic for all your fellow beginner drivers. It happens in all kinds of games richy. People will ban/kick you for having a crappy score, for swearing, or for nothing at all, some admins just do it. :shrug: Which is one step in this concept of online gaming I speak of, which you clearly don't understand.

People will let you race on the server all the time, all this banning and kicking is no coincidence. If any beginner drivers are causing problems online such as crashing people in turns, causing accidents, going to slow and getting in people's way, being annoying or stubborn, or just all of the above, you will definitely be punted out of the server. So if you really aren't ready for online racing, you could practice offline possibly, get your skills up.

I can speak for the Team 400 server as being pretty fair in most cases, and if there were any issues with some drivers on their server, they will kick/ban them. Tough!

this time i got the replay, this time i didnt get angry. and this time i made a point.
You might have made your own point, but you still aren't getting the point of the very first thread. So however much you think these situations are resolved, they are not resolved until YOU get the point and stop posting these threads!

[keiran]

Tweaker puts it perfectly, its there server they can do what they want. They pay for that server and they decide what happens. Just like if you bought some webspace, you are in control of what happens on your webspace.

One of the things all new people should do is get used to using the look buttons while driving to get used to looking out for cars around you. If your aware of your surrounding racers then there is very little chance you'll get into much trouble. Okay people make occasional slip ups but as B2B@300 says you really need to be careful while learning new tracks and making mistakes. If I make a mistake I'm always trying to look out for cars around me and try to do as much as I can to avoid an accident. Maybe it just comes from having experience in real life racing and constantly being aware of my surrounding racers, who knows but it's a very important aspect in racing if you are to race close and cleanly.

Just move on to another server or even host your own one. There really isn't much point in getting worked up about something which isn't going to change the minds of others. It's there server let them do what they want with it.

Keiran

[richy]

I honestly hope it is your last. Because threads like these mean absolute SQUAT. You have to realize that people only see threads like these as an opportunity to tell the person in 'DIRE NEED OF ATTENTION' that stuff like this happens no matter what game you play online, and you need to face it, and not keep creating threads. Because they DON'T help in making noobies accepted more on specific servers.

As far as I know, there are tons of servers that have no problems at all with beginners. Everyone needs to stick around to learn. But if an admin decides you need to get out of their server, FINE, but don't complain about it thinking you will get flowers and chocolates for being heroic for all your fellow beginner drivers. It happens in all kinds of games richy. People will ban/kick you for having a crappy score, for swearing, or for nothing at all, some admins just do it. :shrug: Which is one step in this concept of online gaming I speak of, which you clearly don't understand.

People will let you race on the server all the time, all this banning and kicking is no coincidence. If any beginner drivers are causing problems online such as crashing people in turns, causing accidents, going to slow and getting in people's way, being annoying or stubborn, or just all of the above, you will definitely be punted out of the server. So if you really aren't ready for online racing, you could practice offline possibly, get your skills up.

I can speak for the Team 400 server as being pretty fair in most cases, and if there were any issues with some drivers on their server, they will kick/ban them. Tough!

And then people will come post about it. Tough!

If you dont want to read about it how about admins make a point of not doing it, so the threads dont happen, you can tell me this Tweak, but you cant tell every single newbie this can you? if you want to stop these threads, telling people after they posted them is not the way. how about some rules for admins, like there is for drivers on the road.

yes this is online gaming, and you get bad admins, thanks for explaining that one. :D

[Tweaker]

Well then I think a moderator should write a new thread and sticky it.

"OMG! why have I been kicked/banned?!?!?" -- Basically a thread that explains it all. Would be nice to see something like that...

Then the moderators have a reason to close your thread and link you to the explanation. If the forum here is used to just moan about their problems online, it really isn't a happy place to talk... it is just a pen full of stressed out llamas spitting on each other, and we don't want that :zombie:

[CasseBent]

Long story short: learn to drive before taking your lack of skill out on people that race to win. Oh and don't whine about it afterwards o/

[richy]

Long story short: learn to drive before taking your lack of skill out on people that race to win. Oh and don't whine about it afterwards o/

whining is the only thing someone can do if they get banned off of the only rally x server in the list.

i tried to show him offline but the AI just rams you off the road, it doesnt teach you how to react to being lapped.... it doesnt teach you how to race online.

[Tweaker]

Host your own server then!!! Private or Public :zombie:

[richy]

Host your own server then!!! Private or Public :zombie:

we did after this happened because it was that or back to the demo. except im not a good driver so how is he going to learn to react. how do you learn to make the first corner with 2 cars :pillepall

[Gabkicks]

just keep practicing. if you are on inside then hold inside when passing. if you are on outside then hold outside when passing. this usually prevents accidents. there are many procedjures you'll pick up along the way with experience. always apologize whenever you bump someone unintentionally and try not to make the same mistake again.

it is true when you and other people complain.. it makes lfs look bad to those who are thinking about buying the game. You have a few bad experiences out of many good ones. this has happened to many people before but only a few choose to post in forums about it because most people understand that there is another server available where they can have a great race.

[CasseBent]

the AI treats me with respect, always.
Anyway, if they bump you off, you're going too slow, ie. braking too soon for instance. Yes they do swerve a bit, but hey, so do I. The AI has taught me some stuff, but mostly racing with a friend was what made me better. 2 racers, just trying to go faster and faster, it's really not as boring as it sounds. Some voice coms to hear the other guy cry when I beat his PB, it's superb. Good luck.

[richy]

the AI treats me with respect, always.
Anyway, if they bump you off, you're going too slow, ie. braking too soon for instance. Yes they do swerve a bit, but hey, so do I. The AI has taught me some stuff, but mostly racing with a friend was what made me better. 2 racers, just trying to go faster and faster, it's really not as boring as it sounds. Some voice coms to hear the other guy cry when I beat his PB, it's superb. Good luck.

but there is only 1 way to learn how to react to the fastest guys on the net and thats to be out there and get lapped in the thick of it but everyone else is too fast with the banning that it probably makes it harder for the people who really do want to learn and try their best to be clean and follow flag rules.

how about some kind of Warning system for admins.

"Player has received first warning!!! next incident will result in a ban!!!"

or the Sin Bin thing, where players can be put in a quarantine but can still type, i dont know.

[CasseBent]

if you can avoid you friend there, you can avoid just about anyone

[Scawen]

I will close this thread now. Nothing more to say on the subject.

It's the same thing every time and not much point discussing it and making new threads. If you don't like it on one server, better go to another one.

Some admins may treat people unfairly or make mistakes, but you'd better take a look and see if you could have prevented making them annoyed - there's usually two sides to an argument.