throttle control

[tinvek]

probaly on another thread so ill wait for flaming but short on time so ill ask anyway

does everyome else have problem getting formula v8 thingy ( not sure of name) off the line , not quickly just at all

no matter how gently im on throttle i get crazey wheel spin and usually spin, its that bad i darent try it online, ive resorted to bliping just on and then off and gradually reaching a speed where it grips, in the proccess actually being passed by ai minis !!

tried different setups and recalibrating throttle but no better, i know theres a slow speed bug on tyres but it feels like im actually getting throttle at a far higher setting than the pedal is depressed

is there something ive missed in contol set up ?

[Bramski]

I often short shift with the F08 off the start line. It's not as fast off the line with this method but it's a lot safer.

[Shotglass]

with a little practice you can take off at full throttle in the fo8

[Fonnybone]

There are a few 'tricks' to get the F08 to hook up. The first being
to control throttle...like you'd do in real life. Another is to use
very tall gearing for the 1st gear so even at full throttle, by the
time the power comes on, you have enough downforce to keep
those tires firmly planted.

Now excuse me while i put this in the Beginner's forum since many
of them could probably use such information.

[Funnybear]

As a mouser, the FO8 of the line is a particular night mare. I have a long first gear and a shortened second. I let it rip in first untill the car starts to go out of control then change to second. In the time it takes to change to second the car is back under control and you are accelerating at nearly the same speed as the pack.

It's what I do. Works for me.

[TiJay]

With easily spinning cars, I've always found that gradually increasing the throttle until you 'feel' the car start to move to one side, then blip the throttle and reapply. Then you'll get your grip and slowly increase the throttle. But that's just in theory.

[r4ptor]

Practice - thats all there is too it - may sound like much or nearly impossiple as it did for me when I started with LfS.

Something rather funny is that I just happend to click on the "Training" button today, and noticed that the overtaking section of the FZ50 and FO8 were the only ones I hadn't completed yet - I remember back then, when I were doing these trainings, I just couldn't get a hang of the FZ50 and especially the FO8.

But now... it went so well, that I easely passed even the Pro AI within few corners - and I still dont know all the tracks or have fully learned all the cars :D

My tip: Apply full throttle and then ease off as it begins to spin - memorize when it starts to spin out (how long time passes before it happends - no, don't look at a stopwatch - just feel it :) ) - this way you will react faster. After a while you will get used to let it spin a bit just to get that much faster, without spinning too much though.

I don't recommend altering gears for easiers starts - some tracks - especially the KY Oval require you to keep up with the pack - if you loose them, you have already lost the race.

[spankmeyer]

Nope, no problems here with high-powered RWDs. But I can't get an FXO around a corner without going wide.

[Iron_Maiden]

I had the same problem when I was new to LFS...

You will get the hang of it...after a while you can just sort of instinctivly know how to control it....you just have to correct the throttle when yo start to slide, and correct any direction change early and lightly....

At some point it will sort of 'click'...

[tinvek]

got no problems on bends etc just getting the dam thing rolling in first place. sure theres something wrong in my controls as i should be able to get the thing rolling on a very light throttle, for a race engine it seems to have an enormous amount of torque at low revs

[robt]

I can get it off the line using keyboard, best way to do it is (if you aren't already) use manual gears, stick it in 3rd off the line and boot it.should be slow, but you'll get off the line! Once you get the hang of it, try using second, as it starts the wheelspin hit 3rd.(all using standard gearing) I cant remember what diff. im using, but try different differentials, and differential settings, see if they make a difference.

[Iron_Maiden]

try setting the diff to open....

and if you still have troubles turn the throttle help on...

[tinvek]

throttle help!!!

never :)

crash and burn rather than use help like that :) :)

[96 GTS]

got no problems on bends etc just getting the dam thing rolling in first place. sure theres something wrong in my controls as i should be able to get the thing rolling on a very light throttle, for a race engine it seems to have an enormous amount of torque at low revs
Same thing happens to me, I don't think it's a problem with your controls, even with very small throttle openings, the rear tires spin, the only way to get it rolling is to correct the steering and modulate the throttle, at least in my experience. :shrug:

[Theafro]

throttle help!!!

never :)

crash and burn rather than use help like that :) :)

thats the spirit, turn all the aids off and learn to drive like a pro! :thumb:

i vote to ban all driving aids completey:D

Try heading to the dragstrip and spending an hour or so launching the F08, i guarentee you'll be able to get off the line after that :)

[Shotglass]

you wont have to ... taking off at full throttle is rather slow after all ... youll have the advantage of warmed up rears in t1 though

[malinkie]

yeah, usually too hot rears...

[tinvek]

funny it just clicked without me thinking about it about a week ago

now all ive got to do is get it round corners without spinning if i breath on throttle :)

[Bob Smith]

now all ive got to do is get it round corners without spinning if i breath on throttle :)
The FO8 is weird, it's easier to drive the faster you drive it, so taking it easy is actually harder. So drive it like you stole it and you should be OK. :D

[tinvek]

ive been sticking to bwgp as its circuit i know best and im generally ok apart from first bend

am i the only one who finds the corners faster with the fox than the fo8?

[Vain]

BLGP is a pretty slow track for the FO8. Westhill is a nice track for that car.

Vain

[bbman]

Sounds like the problem I mentioned in the LX6 thread earlier. I don't really drive the FO8 but I've found in the more overpowered cars just a tiny bit of throttle change mid-corner can cause a slide. The general consensus seems to be that this is something that should be addressed with a patch.
Yeah, it is exactly as you mentioned... Only worse, because the FO8 has a lot more power...

[Hyperactive]

I would say that the throttle alone don't upset the F08/LX6/RAC. It's more about how the cars handle any changes during cornering. Just like the FZR is very smooth to drive around corners if you just don't make any changes in throttle/braking. Just a little dip on brakes or slightly more throttle will send the rear wide loose.

Getting a good start in F08 is a positive challenge for me because once you get a good start in it, it just feels so good. They key is to allow little spin right after the cars starts moving and then play with the throttle trying to get good accleration and trying not to spin the rears. It's totally different from XRR/FXR where the only way to have good start is flooring the throttle.

But the main thing is to remember is the throttle control. Slightly giving it more and more... ;) I still find it very strange that so many people try to overcome the "slippines" of the F08 by using higher gears, like the 3rd or fourth when the 2nd is the best one...?

F08 is easier/more fun than LX6 ;) Not because it's easier but because it's more fun. Imho, of course! :)

[ChristijaNL]

Sorry if this has been asked b4.

How can u put throttle and brake on at the same time. I see Sracer do this alot and when i even touch the brake the throttle wont stay open even when i floor it. Thanks in advance:)

[Madman_CZ]

you probably have your pedals set in windows control panel as combined!! this means when you use the brake you cant use to throttle and vise versa...

go into your controller setting and turn off combined pedal axis so then each of the pedals will be independant and you will be allowed to use both....

then simply setup your pedals in lfs and your're on your way!

*i have the momo racing wheel.. settings in windows will vary slightly between wheels*


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[ChristijaNL]

Thanks alot ill try it asap:thumb:

[Becky Rose]

I found the key to pulling off the line sucessfully in FO8, and quickly in FOX too incidentally, was an upgrade to my computer which raised the framerate of the game - the extra framerate gave me more perception/control during this critical time.

If you are really struggling to pull away i'd recommend lowering your graphics settings, or practicing on an empty track with no other cars to draw.

[MARSH2a]

I always change the gearing. These formula cars don't need all that torque in every gear. I use the gear calc frequently. I ususally end up with a final gear in the high 2's or mid 3's, then adjust the other shift points to get the fastest times through the gears and the fastest top speed. It does make the upshifting very fast, but you get to speed quickly with little tire spin, maybe a chirp or two. Many times when I find myself starting near the back of the pack, I pass half the grid on the way to T1.

[ajp71]

I somehow managed to spin the FOX under power tonight :doh:

[tinvek]

quick update

cant understand why i started this thread now, unless im really tired, i can now generally be one of the quickest fo8s off the line and its only when i'm really pushing that i tend to spin. not sure how much of this is experience and how much is the setup ive developed, cant take credit for all of it as it started off as a setup sent to me but its been tweaked a lot to suit me.

biggest discovery was when i used my brain at turn 1 on blackwood.

once i remembered this is a sim, not a game, i clicked about the change of tarmac and how it was on these that i was loosing the back end. not sure if it is the surface modeling or just that point in my driving style but ive got it sorted now.

overall im now at what i consider a comfortable and safe speed level, running 1.08s to 1.09s round blackwood, just need to work at the next 3 secs

[tinvek]

extra thought / worry

its very rare i find anyone elses setup that suits me, no matter how many laps i try them for, am i developing a strange driving style or will flexability in this area come later?

to be honest im not bothered at moment :)

[Thorvertonian]

am I developing a strange driving style or will flexability in this area come later?

Everything comes with practice

Took me ages to learn how to race around a track, let alone be competitive!

My brother is now having the problem of forgetting howto drive, and learning howto race!!!

If I grab a setup from the inferno setupfield, I always end chucking extra wing on it to get me around the track, but the more you race, the faster you go

Practice makes better, you can never be perfect!

[tinvek]

just started a thread on this in setup forum. why do people insist on using edgy setups they cant run with for more than 2 laps without crashing, my setups all tend to be race rather than what id call qualifying setups

is it due to people getting wr setups and not realising they are for that one special lap ? and then thinking that if its really hard to control, then it must be fast ?