iTCC - Round 3 - Post-Race Discussion

[Kid222]

I will start this thread, since i do feel like saying more than just my thoughts and moments from the race.

I joined this league, because i thought there will be some close racing, which restricted FXR provides for sure. But what i saw today on Blackwood was one of the worst and dirtiest racing i've ever been in. Drivers pushing each other out of track, wrestling through to get as much positions as they could. More faster, the better. I have literally hunderd reasons for complaints and i will do it, some drivers (and even the top drivers) are like "let's make it hotlap session".
Some of you will probably think: that is touring racing. No, it isn't anymore, this is just plain stupidity and wreckfest. I don't know if i want to race in such league (though very well organised) any more.

Last thing.. i want to apologize to all, to who i did the same, because the more i got, the more i did. I was really angry and i still am. And i will think about my future participation.

See you (maybe).

[DevilDare]

Well, i have to agree. From watching the stream, race 3 was a massive mess. Racing under SC.... really....? :shrug:

And the behaviour from Pickard is very childish :/

[J@tko]

Well, I binned it within 500 yards of getting a point in that final race.

AND FFS HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND NO CHAT?

Behaviour under SC was questionable, I was being basically pushed under alot of SC periods for keeping a gap to the car infront, however inbetween I had some good racing. Sorry David for nearly crashing you at the first SC of Race 1, I was half asleep after the SC Deployed thing came out and had to take avioding action to miss Fuse, and ended up nearly hitting you :(

And please, where is the protest thread?

[Fuse5]

I joined this league, because i thought there will be some close racing, which restricted FXR provides for sure. But what i saw today on Blackwood was one of the worst and dirtiest racing i've ever been in. Drivers pushing each other out of track, wrestling through to get as much positions as they could. More faster, the better. I have literally hunderd reasons for complaints and i will do it, some drivers (and even the top drivers) are like "let's make it hotlap session".
Some of you will probably think: that is touring racing. No, it isn't anymore, this is just plain stupidity and wreckfest. I don't know if i want to race in such league (though very well organised) any more.

Last thing.. i want to apologize to all, to who i did the same, because the more i got, the more i did. I was really angry and i still am. And i will think about my future participation.

See you (maybe).

Funnily enough, I feel the same. To not repeat everything, I've highlighted a couple of keypoints in your post.

[Mp3 Astra]

What I say in the commentary sounds harsh, especially towards Bitan. I now understand that he had been taken out for no reason, and had the right to be angry. He should have stayed behind and complained after the race, but I bear no hard feelings, despite what you might hear in the broadcast.

[jwardy]

all good racing for me , sorry again to car 74 i dident see you and pulled straight in on to you .

AND MY SKIN WAS FOR MOTHERS DAY ... mr passingham

[Mp3 Astra]

AND MY SKIN WAS FOR MOTHERS DAY ... mr passingham

My point still stands :D

[jwardy]

My point still stands :D
got me attention dident it :razz:

[PMD9409]

209 - P.Diaz Lost Connection

*Above = FTW!

[Hypothraxer]

To be honest I thought the racing this time was better than at Fern Bay. I still got relegated to the back of the field twice and on top of that had another close call but looking at it I'd call it racing incidents - even though they're awfully close to the border :) (Seriously guys - I can't just disappear at the end of the first chicane).

To add to this: Sorry to L. Baker for hitting you at Race 2. For me it looked like a lag-incident - because the speed at which I hit you shouldn't really have sent you flying at all.

What really annoyed me, once again, was the lack of discipline of the drivers towards the admin. Dear lord guys - the race admin is also just a human! Calling stuff like 'omg when do we start?!' does not help at all and furthermore brings even more pressure to the admin itself.
If the whole procedure is too slow for you why don't you just go to a pickup server? Even in real life bigger events do not start and end at the exact precise time - delays just happen and those 5 - 10 minutes surely do not hurt anyone. Being patient and keeping silent would not only help the admin to sort stuff more quickly but would also make the whole atmosphere a lot more friendly. In all seriousness: At some points I was under the impression that the chat was invaded by a couple of 10-year olds.

[Tomhah]

Pickards driving was very childish from my point of view. He took out too many (like me 4 times, and the renesis guy in SC. Thanks to everyone (I mean someone, the clean ones) for the race. It was very fun. oh! I nearly forgot! Im really sorry for the crash Muller. I had just been hit, and didnt see you on my side, so I pulled up, but there you was. It was all my fault, but I didnt mean to. :)


-Tommy "Owestgaard" as Michael says :P

[J@tko]

If the whole procedure is too slow for you why don't you just go to a pickup server? Even in real life bigger events do not start and end at the exact precise time - delays just happen and those 5 - 10 minutes surely do not hurt anyone. Being patient and keeping silent would not only help the admin to sort stuff more quickly but would also make the whole atmosphere a lot more friendly. In all seriousness: At some points I was under the impression that the chat was invaded by a couple of 10-year olds.
QFT

Being an admin myself, theres nothing worse than people saying "OMG LETS GO111!!1!!1!1!!!1!!", it just slows you down even more. And people timing out and having to re-join is just life. Although I have to say, would RC please type numbers instead of finding people in a 40+ long connection list :(

[Ricou]

What I say in the commentary sounds harsh, especially towards Bitan. I now understand that he had been taken out for no reason, and had the right to be angry. He should have stayed behind and complained after the race, but I bear no hard feelings, despite what you might hear in the broadcast.
Then good for me I wasnt listening to the comments :D
But I'll have a look at this stream when I have time... just to hear what you said :)


By the way, if I did that - overtaking under SC - it was because I was taken out (probably by Pickard as everyone says but I didnt see) and I didn't know about the "no overtaking under SC even if you get crashed" rule. My bad.

But to say what I think, this rule seems very unfair (and dumb) to me.
Unless there was some other way to be fair without giving me back my position ? :shrug:

Other than that, Race 1 was a very good one for me, I enjoyed it.
Race 2 => Too bad there were 2 disconnections.
Race 3 => Started 6th, ended up last due to the penalty.

[J@tko]

But to say what I think, this rule seems very unfair (and dumb) to me.
Unless there was some other way to be fair without giving me back my position ? :shrug:
I havn't been in a League where that isn't a rule :shrug:

[Dennis93]

Then good for me I wasnt listening to the comments :D
But I'll have a look at this stream when I have time... just to hear what you said :)


By the way, if I did that - overtaking under SC - it was because I was taken out (probably by Pickard as everyone says but I didnt see) and I didn't know about the "no overtaking under SC even if you get crashed" rule. My bad.

But to say what I think, this rule seems very unfair (and dumb) to me.
Unless there was some other way to be fair without giving me back my position ? :shrug:

Other than that, Race 1 was a very good one for me, I enjoyed it.
Race 2 => Too bad there were 2 disconnections.
Race 3 => Started 6th, ended up last due to the penalty.

Yeah, too bad luck, but i think you did an amazing job the first 2 races holding em off for so long, great job mate!

[DeadWolfBones]

I have some concerns about the series that I'm going to PM to the admins.

As far as the actual racing goes, I thought it was pretty decent, especially toward the front. The back was a mess, but it usually is.

As usual, my internet connection eats shit.

:shrug:

[kaynd]

Really disappointed regarding the driver behavior and not the league organization as it is.
I think that can be caused due to the form this league. Three really short races not giving room for patience.
I am going to stay to this. Last thing.. i want to apologize to all, to who i did the same, because the more i got, the more i did.
I can’t think anything else…
I got really really disappointed about the behavior of drivers I respected.
I am not participating in this event. My teammate A.Perrs does. We just finished observing the race replays with him corner per corner… trying to figure out what he did wrong. I found some mistakes he made but nothing justifies what he faced from other drivers. Well I don’t think that protesting has any meaning in cases like this where the racetrack becomes a jungle and what prevails is the “get out of my way” attitude.
Anyway I am quite skeptical about this, as many seem to be. But after all I am not racing here so it’s not my decision if our racers will continue participating in ITCC.

[mkinnov8]

A short note from me..

This was the 2nd ITCC race where I was asked at short notice to stand in as Race Director for ICON Darren whom again failed to make it. I did my best, this time learning from my own mistakes at round 2, and frankly, most of it went simmingly, which is far more than can be said for the shameful driving of some drivers this evening. Most drivers kept thier cool and got on with thier races, but some lost thier dummy and threw it at those around them.

I'd like you to note for a moment that I am only human, I will and do make mistakes, I am not a robot, and basically, when I ask for "NO CHAT" I really do expect there to be no answer to that. I may have working processes that you disagree with, like for example ending the session to start a new one, to reform the grid, or to change other settings as instructed or suggested by the race control team.

Although I have to say, would RC please type numbers instead of finding people in a 40+ long connection list :(

I quite honestly didnt think of doing it that way.. If I should be called on again to run these sessions, then that way would cirtainly be easier for me, with all the usernames in the same colour, its hard for (my) eyes to find everyone quickly, as those in my race control team will atest to.

AND FFS HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND NO CHAT?

Exactly, I dont understand the problem with this.. Pickard, whom has always made himself known as a childish cock to me, once again shows his worth, representing his team, to both the other drivers on track, and the 60+ audience watching over the broadcast.



By the way, if I did that - overtaking under SC - it was because I was taken out (probably by Pickard as everyone says but I didnt see) and I didn't know about the "no overtaking under SC even if you get crashed" rule. My bad.

But to say what I think, this rule seems very unfair (and dumb) to me.
Unless there was some other way to be fair without giving me back my position ? :shrug:

Overtaking under safety car periods IS dumb. The fact that you personally find such a rule dumb is of no consequence, a rule is a rule is a rule, which is a point which many many drivers who enter leagues fail to realise. You dont have to like the rules, just respect them. It's not your job to even question them, expecially within a race server, where your sole job - through choosing to be there - is to drive your car with respect to yourself and others on the track, following whichever dumb rules you agreed to follow by simply entering the series.

[rc10racer]

Pickards driving was very childish from my point of view. He took out too many (like me 4 times, and the renesis guy in SC.

I know i was abit hard on some people but you need to look at the replays again, like for the 1st incident in race 1 after the first safety car when it was 3 car wide along the back straight, under braking i had no room what so ever and caught rikje sending us in other directions.

[Ricou]

[..]
Overtaking under safety car periods IS dumb. The fact that you personally find such a rule dumb is of no consequence, a rule is a rule is a rule, which is a point which many many drivers who enter leagues fail to realise. You dont have to like the rules, just respect them. It's not your job to even question them, expecially within a race server, where your sole job - through choosing to be there - is to drive your car with respect to yourself and others on the track, following whichever dumb rules you agreed to follow by simply entering the series.
I had read the rules but unfortunatly didn't remember this one. My bad again.
I'll follow it in the futur, if I choose to race again here.

[MR_B]

a rule is a rule is a rule, which is a point which many many drivers who enter leagues fail to realise. You dont have to like the rules, just respect them. It's not your job to even question them, expecially within a race server, where your sole job - through choosing to be there - is to drive your car with respect to yourself and others on the track, following whichever dumb rules you agreed to follow by simply entering the series.

Sig'd.

I'd also like to note (being a member of the RC team tonight - "<Race Admin>") that I was,

A. impressed with the quality of racing in the first two races.

B. impressed by the patience and ability of the Race Control team to cope under pressure and,

C. Ashamed that race 3 was broadcasted. The commentary was biased and judgemental, the quality of driving was abysmal, with dangerous behaviour under the safety car, poor spacial awareness and a pathetic urge to make contact with anyone within a 200m radius. The only positive of the broadcast was the quality of the feed provided by Joe.

I strongly suggest every driver in this round re-reads the rules thoroughly, contemplate their own behaviour, not the actions of others, and return to the track for round three with a fresh attitude.

Remember, when any event is broadcasted you are representing Live for Speed, your teams, and yourselves to the sim racing community and the world. It's in your hands.

regards,

Kringle.
Server provider and temporary Race Admin for Round Two.

[Mp3 Astra]

C. Ashamed that race 3 was broadcasted. The commentary was biased and judgemental, the quality of driving was abysmal, with dangerous behaviour under the safety car, poor spacial awareness and a pathetic urge to make contact with anyone within a 200m radius. The only positive of the broadcast was the quality of the feed provided by Joe.


While I understand your point about the 'cast, we can't really sit there pretending everything is perfect and nobody's doing anything wrong. When somebody is behaving in the way that a couple of drivers were, we can't pretend it's not happening. While I agree that some of my comments were biased, and that I should probably tone it down it future, I won't be ignoring silly behaviour.

Ed: As commentators, it's our duty to provide insight and analysis. That is what we did, and I won't take back what I said, but I will consider my style in future events.

[Ricou]

I'd like to add something after watching Race 3 streaming and thinking about it:

I knew the rule about "no overtaking under Safety Car" but when I got crashed, I don't know really why but to me it was like "normal" to regain my position, because it didn't seem "normal" to get pushed out, lose 6 positions and stay behind. On the moment, the "no overtaking" part felt more like overtaking one guy, whereas I was only taking back my "legitimate" position in the field. Now I know I was wrong and I shouldn't have done that silly move.

Of course, as I thought I was right, I didn't understand the 45s penalty which came next, so I got angry ( nice guess Astra btw :)) and chatted. I want to apologize for that part too.

Maybe the rules should be more detailed for dumb people like me. For example it should be written something like "if you get crashed under SC, you're screwed, just stay in the back and post a complain afterwards, DON'T GET BACK TO YOUR POSITION".

[Dizzydarryn]

from the sounds of things... i think i got lucky by being sick as a dog this weekend ;-)

[Hypothraxer]

from the sounds of things... i think i got lucky by being sick as a dog this weekend ;-)

To be honest the driving was a lot better than last round at Fern Bay - although this might come from the fact that Blackwood features a wider track than Fern Bay. The 'social' behaviour on the other hand was 'a little bit' off.

I hope we can see more clean driving especially since the next round is at South City and I'm pretty sure everyone knows what that means.

[Rudy van Buren]

from the sounds of things... i think i got lucky by being sick as a dog this weekend ;-)


Imo thats a bit to harsh, there did happen some things wich were just wrong but not looking at that there was some great racing aswell,

just thinking about the last lap of race 2, going 4 wide into the right hander after the straight and nobody crashing only 'touring car' so a bit door kissing and that was it.

for myself quali was quite unlucky with the 38kg i was happy with the 12.29 but in my last lap i was 0.07 under that at s1 until thommy disided to throw some tires onto the track in the right hander after the straight onto the racing line and i grabbed it and lost all my speed ( he even came out of the pit and the time was already over.... )

Race 1

good start nice slipstreaming until rik went for a visit how it was to be with the nose to the pack but he turned into the field grabbing me, ended up with huge damage on the engine cuss i shifted to 1st gear after the hit and that was still to early :x and cambers gone of the rear left so couldnt do anything 8kph to slow on straight so ppl were flying by me:D p20.....

Race 2

Oke the challange how to get asap to the front, went all well had some nice slipstreaming bumpdrafts, and with this SC in the last few laps and giving us a 1 lap shootout in the end even made me grab p3 in the end, was quite happy with that :)

Race 3

Starting on p4 i could grab p3 onto the back straight and was there quite a while, dont remember everything correct since there were so much SC, only know that in the end i didnt had a change to fight to dennis, i missed some acceleration out of short turns and his car being 18kg lighter didnt help me aswell:razz: ended up in p2.

In the end the event ended up quite well for me, loosing only 2 points to nolan even after the bad luck in race 1 :)

Realy hope that ppl leanr what no chat is next race becaus its just so freaking anoying while racing.....:x

Cu in south city :nod:

[hyntty]

I have some concerns about the series that I'm going to PM to the admins.

:shrug: About racers or organisers?

I'd like you to note for a moment that I am only human, I will and do make mistakes, I am not a robot, and basically, when I ask for "NO CHAT" I really do expect there to be no answer to that. I may have working processes that you disagree with, like for example ending the session to start a new one, to reform the grid, or to change other settings as instructed or suggested by the race control team.

Exactly which incompetent clot decided it was a good idea to change weather in the middle of all? And I understand all the waiting to a certain degree, but when everyone including racers and the broadcast is ready it goes over my head.

Oh, I don't know why no-one's thought about it but there are gridsorting applications. Isn't there even one creator of such racing with us? That could help.
I know i was abit hard on some people but you need to look at the replays again, like for the 1st incident in race 1 after the first safety car when it was 3 car wide along the back straight, under braking i had no room what so ever and caught rikje sending us in other directions.
Watching it afterwards you should have lifted and backed off but meh... That was an accident.

C. Ashamed that race 3 was broadcasted. The commentary was biased and judgemental, the quality of driving was abysmal, with dangerous behaviour under the safety car, poor spacial awareness and a pathetic urge to make contact with anyone within a 200m radius. The only positive of the broadcast was the quality of the feed provided by Joe.

I strongly suggest every driver in this round re-reads the rules thoroughly, contemplate their own behaviour, not the actions of others, and return to the track for round three with a fresh attitude.

Well that's rubbish to be honest. The broadcast was good as always. There is no commentators in the world who aren't a little biased, it's their job to analyze and judge the situation as best as they can, and believe it or not, most of us drivers actually get along like the racing. Plus that it's actually a difficult job being a commentator.

While I understand your point about the 'cast, we can't really sit there pretending everything is perfect and nobody's doing anything wrong. When somebody is behaving in the way that a couple of drivers were, we can't pretend it's not happening. While I agree that some of my comments were biased, and that I should probably tone it down it future, I won't be ignoring silly behaviour.


And that's damn right. If some tard is acting out, call him a tard. I'm beginning to like the combination now when you're not the most clinically formal one there.

[J@tko]

I quite honestly didnt think of doing it that way.. If I should be called on again to run these sessions, then that way would cirtainly be easier for me, with all the usernames in the same colour, its hard for (my) eyes to find everyone quickly, as those in my race control team will atest to.

I can see, however, why you do it that way - if you just type in the numbers, then people [for example] if they were number 44, might see the number 4 and join the grid. Having names aswell makes sure that people know exactly who should join. But when you've got such a big grid, just doing it by numbers and removing people who get it wrong is quicker :thumb:

You did a good job tho, all the same :)

[Joe_Keaveney]

Exactly which incompetent clot decided it was a good idea to change weather in the middle of all? And I understand all the waiting to a certain degree, but when everyone including racers and the broadcast is ready it goes over my head.



That was my fault, I instructed Stoney to do it. I did it at the wrong time and I take the blame for it. Rest assured I won't make that mistake again. :shy: As ever, my mistakes come from good intentions, I execute them badly and things go wrong.

But anyway, that said, apart from the behavioural aspects of yesterday, we had a good meeting. :thumb: Thanks a million to all the racers who gave their time, the first two races from yesterday are some of the finest races I've seen in LFS (IMO) - thanks! :thumb:

[J@tko]

And thanks to the drivers who I had good races with; Messes Marques, Ward, Novak, and various other Core guys, who I seemed to spend the entire race behind :scratchch

A couple of minor incidents I was involved in, the roll was my fault, then Novak "brake checked me" [which was actually him shifting into first - no worries] and Cagas kinda smashed into the back of me at the end of the back straight, I'm sure it wasn't malicious, just him probably braking a bit too late and me braking a bit too early :(

[crazydav]

I'd like to thank all the pilots who had a very doubtful behavior during the race and tell them: "well done guys" ! :thumb:

Well done for your overtakings. It's always a pleasure to see someone cut your line just in front of you.
Well done to the pilots who push you in the grass on straights or at brakings. Very nice !
Well done to those who forget their brakes under SC and make you spin right when green lag is shown

It was really a memorable evening for me.

I had never seen a race with so little fair play !!!

Thanks a lot ! :laola:

[Kid222]

Cagas kinda smashed into the back of me at the end of the back straight, I'm sure it wasn't malicious, just him probably braking a bit too late and me braking a bit too early :(

I'm sorry, it happened at that point, when i was really pissed and i braked VERY late.

I was very lucky though for getting into main event, i could really spend my time better way.

But for Q i got new setup from Radek, which was great and i did 10th time.

First race was bad. I decided to try R3 in behind, that was terrible mistake and i drifted through race 11th.

Second race i was taken out by rc10racer in lap4.

Last race ended for me after contact with some laggy Core guy, but i guess that was problem of his distance to server and naturally high ping.

So much for yesterday, protests are sent and since i am coming closer to exams (2 months from now), i won't be back earlier than for Aston National.

[boothy]

Second race i was taken out by rc10racer in lap4.

Watch it again from Pickard's follow view. He takes a tighter line to avoid you - since you didn't use all of the road, has to make a small correction (or deliberate hit if you're being very cynical) and makes some contact. Racing incident IMV :shrug:

However, you weren't exactly squeaky clean coming down the straight, you were trying to pass all 4 wheels off the track, half on the grass, hitting another car when you rejoined, could've been a crash there. :scratchch

[Kid222]

Watch it again from Pickard's follow view. He takes a tighter line to avoid you - since you didn't use all of the road, has to make a small correction (or deliberate hit if you're being very cynical) and makes some contact. Racing incident IMV :shrug:

However, you weren't exactly squeaky clean coming down the straight, you were trying to pass all 4 wheels off the track, half on the grass, hitting another car when you rejoined, could've been a crash there. :scratchch

I was going this line most of time. Yeah, he couldn't know that, but how's that good for me.

And i know i also did lots of mistakes and i already apologized for them in OP. If anyone wants separate apology for my bad driving, post here and i will send you mass PM later.

[Gaulish]

Hi all,

again I can tell it was well organize race ( who thinks its easy can try and see).
I didnt drive last few weeks (damm job) and thats result...I didnt have any set...I make some sets 2 days before race ( never know how to make it some good one ;) )..so how I was prepare it was great drive..in race 2 have damm luck and finish 10 :)...for rest i give my case...so i can tell i was not so angry or piss like some of u guys...maybee only lose a little nerve when some guys talk in race/waiting for race after referee say NO CHAT. Me and some my teammate guys are referee in our regional league, with our orginization. And i know how i lose my temper when someone dont listend instruction and that manners not only show how thats guys do not respecting guys who make so much effort to make this league running but more thay dont respect other drivers who obey a words from referee.... again enyoj in nice fights and race...and i cant wait next race and hope i will have more time to prepare for race like i did for Fern Bay....again thanks racers for nice 1 and 2 race and ofcourse guys from ICON for damm good organization...specially consideration that its a second season..

[DeadWolfBones]

Last race ended for me after contact with some laggy Core guy, but i guess that was problem of his distance to server and naturally high ping.

Yeah, that was me (and PMD). Looked like you and he made a little contact, which sent you across and into me (I was looking to come up the inside). I had nowhere to go/no time to react. Put me pretty hard into the inside wall, and then when I was recovering Fuse came along and smashed into you again at nearly full speed. Pretty messy situation there. :(

[mkinnov8]

Oh, I don't know why no-one's thought about it but there are gridsorting applications. Isn't there even one creator of such racing with us? That could help.

Just to correct.. It HAS been thought about and several applications HAVE been made, however, personally, the single time I used either of them, I've failed to see them work as expected. - Thats probably more my own user error than any of the programming, as I know the quality of the work these clever guys put into these applications.

However, to answer quite simply.. It is my personal preference NOT to use such applications to sort the grid. I prefer a manual method, and if such a way takes longer than others, so be it. I will feel more confident sorting grids manually, always have, most cirtainly always will.

:)

[dekojester]

Oh, I don't know why no-one's thought about it but there are gridsorting applications. Isn't there even one creator of such racing with us? That could help.

Just to correct.. It HAS been thought about and several applications HAVE been made, however, personally, the single time I used either of them, I've failed to see them work as expected. - Thats probably more my own user error than any of the programming, as I know the quality of the work these clever guys put into these applications.

However, to answer quite simply.. It is my personal preference NOT to use such applications to sort the grid. I prefer a manual method, and if such a way takes longer than others, so be it. I will feel more confident sorting grids manually, always have, most cirtainly always will.

:)

From my experience, any grid app will FUBAR if not everyone is physically on track at time of sorting.

d

[hyntty]

From my experience, any grid app will FUBAR if not everyone is physically on track at time of sorting.


Ahem... the EGT_RA worked nicely

[mkinnov8]

Ahem... the EGT_RA worked nicely

No idea what that is, but good for them :)

[Kid222]

No idea what that is, but good for them :)
http://www.interregion.cz/jarda/EGT.ZIP This one.
I saw it once in action and it worked good, still it requires full cooperation with drivers, but maybe it can solve this problem.

[J@tko]

http://www.interregion.cz/jarda/EGT.ZIP This one.
I saw it once in action and it worked good, still it requires full cooperation with drivers, but maybe it can solve this problem.
Just please please please please don't use the formation lap ability of it. I do not want to be waiting 45 mins for 30+ cars to get in position :schwitz:

[Kid222]

Just please please please please don't use the formation lap ability of it. I do not want to be waiting 45 mins for 30+ cars to get in position :schwitz:
Indeed, in this kind of sprint races it's no use (but in endu-races it's very good feature:)).

[mkinnov8]

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out in private testing, but personally, I wouldnt be using it anyway :).

A possible suggestion for the iTCC future tho.

[dekojester]

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out in private testing, but personally, I wouldnt be using it anyway :).

A possible suggestion for the iTCC future tho.

The grid ordering in EGT_RA is actually really really easy. It's a drag & drop, it will update the grid in the lobby-screen when you tell it to, it can take the order from qual and previous race, it can control who has what car, it can control ballast. ABout the only thing it doesn't do is do the track status.

I can help you get it set up if you need it. :tilt:

d

[mkinnov8]

Thanks for the offer deko, I had a little fiddle earlier, and it does look impressive. When I have more time free, I may take you up on that.

Cheers.

[WlayCo]

all good racing for me , sorry again to car 74 i dident see you and pulled straight in on to you .

AND MY SKIN WAS FOR MOTHERS DAY ... mr passingham


Sh*t happends , friend. That is all part of racing... :) Don't worry about that :)

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[Fuse5]

Hmm. The penalties thread is a bit confusing. Saying that chat will be penalized from now on, itll have immediate effect.. And then you choose to penalize every one for chatting in the previous race. in that manner, are you going to go through the replays of the first races as well?*Would make sense. Immediate effect would else refer to "from now on" and direct DTs in race. Controversial, imo. I do understand that is a tough call for the admins to make, especially when the ultimate purpose was to penalize Pickard (and Biton)...

[Joe_Keaveney]

You're right - it is a tough call, and to be perfectly fair it's a problem that we have created for ourselves by not penalising chatting since the first race meeting. What I would say is, is that Round 3 is the first time chatting became a 'problem'.

We won't be going over the first two rounds to retrospectively penalise racers, to take away points from drivers now, after we have already declared the results, would be wrong. As I said in the penalties thread, if you don't chat, you have nothing to worry about. The drivers who continually chat will end up harming their own championship points by collecting penalties.

Please bear with us - this is our first season and we're trying to balance the driver's enjoyment of the event with the need to run a well-organised and well-presented race meeting. The rules, for sure, are far from perfect and that's something we need to address also.

The ultimate purpose as you put it, is not to penalise individual drivers, but to put a stop, right here and right now, to further bad habits. Chatting is needless - the only reason you need to chat is to inform Race Control is when you've rolled your car and can't recover, also it's off-putting to other drivers, and lastly, (when my block messages function doesn't work) it spoils the broadcast :D

Thanks for posting your concern, we're determined to make the iTCC one of the best leagues in LFS, and together (drivers AND admins) we'll have a great league to look back on (and watch again! :thumb:) at the end of the season and an even better season to look forward to in 2010 :thumb: I hope you can make it to the remaining rounds this year :nod:

[Rudy van Buren]

Wenn will the list of points / balast will be updated?:tilt:

[Joe_Keaveney]

Wenn will the list of points / balast will be updated?:tilt:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I updated on Sunday?

[Rudy van Buren]

a Damn i missed that you updated the points, you edited the original post so the topic didnt light up as updated for me so missed that,

though i dont see a post in the balast topic with the new balast:tilt: ( i do see that you putted it behind the points in the championchipstandings)

[Joe_Keaveney]

a Damn i missed that you updated the points, you edited the original post so the topic didnt light up as updated for me so missed that,

though i dont see a post in the balast topic with the new balast:tilt: ( i do see that you putted it behind the points in the championchipstandings)

Ah touché! :thumb:

Smartass.

I'll put a post up there later on today, thanks Rudy! :D

[Rudy van Buren]

:razz:

[Joe_Keaveney]

Ballast now updated, ignore the ballasts on the Driver's Championship sheet, I fail at Excel! :shy:

The ballasts are correct now, Bitan scored the most points at Round 3 so he gets the top 30 Kgs ballast even though his penalties mean that Lind scored more points after penalties.

Also, Ostgaard and Burns scored equal points at Round 3 so both receive 15 Kgs ballast in acordance with the ballast rules.

[Rudy van Buren]

damn, i still remember myself saying 'Atleast i got a light car in So now ! ' after race 1 in bl1, still 39kg gonna be fun :tilt:

[Joe_Keaveney]

Yeah it's tight at the top :thumb:

Been great watching you and Nolan trying to maximize your points at each round, the overtaking is getting more daring with every Round! :thumb:

[Tomhah]

Also, Ostgaard and Burns scored equal points at Round 3 so both receive 10 Kgs ballast in acordance with the ballast rules.

Im having 15, which I know is correct, so was that a typing mistake, or did I miss something? :P

[Joe_Keaveney]

Im having 15, which I know is correct, so was that a typing mistake, or did I miss something? :P

Yeah it was a typing mistake :D I meant 15kg - which is made up of 10 Kgs success ballat plus 5 Kgs from your 17 points

So yeah, 15 Kgs:thumb:

[Tomhah]

Okey :)

[J@tko]

Joe, mistake in the Team Champ standings [link (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=80745&d=1237744987)]

It's F1RST/XFusion not F1RST/My3id ;)

EDIT: Yes, I know I'm wrong!

[boothy]

No, it's not ;)

[J@tko]

No, it's not ;)
Ah yes - I see now :smileypul

[snoring_snoopy]

The race report from round 3 can be found in the iCON News No. 3/09.
(also an interview with Eric and Victor from the devs..)

Link: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=53387

Kind regards

[J@tko]

Quick reminder to update the userbars...? :shy:

Or am I still 15th...? :scratchch

[hyntty]

Quick reminder to update the userbars...? :shy:

Or am I still 15th...? :scratchch

Quit biggering about such small matters. You have nothing to complain, whereas I'M STILL YOU!!

[snoring_snoopy]

Quick reminder to update the userbars...? :shy:

Or am I still 15th...? :scratchch
Sorry Jack, but I am afraid, Joe will not have the time to update it for the next weeks.

But, I can promise you, you have to do the shootout next round :D.

[dekojester]

Sorry Jack, but I am afraid, Joe will not have the time to update it for the next weeks.

But, I can promise you, you have to do the shootout next round :D.

Bah. Keaveny's only getting married, what's the big deal ? :razz: :D

I told him to run the MoE broadcast on a huge projector during the ceremony. Then during the reception, non-stop iTCC in the background. I do believe, if memory serves, his actual funer....errrr....I mean wedding is on Saturday.

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[snoring_snoopy]

Bah. Keaveny's only getting married, what's the big deal ? :razz: :D

I told him to run the MoE broadcast on a huge projector during the ceremony. Then during the reception, non-stop iTCC in the background. I do believe, if memory serves, his actual funer....errrr....I mean wedding is on Saturday.

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:ices_rofl :razz:

If this really happens, I am sure we need a new broadcast team for the next iTCC round :razz:

BTW, Joe gave me the links and I will update the userbars in the next days

[dekojester]

:ices_rofl :razz:

If this really happens, I am sure we need a new broadcast team for the next iTCC round :razz:

BTW, Joe gave me the links and I will update the userbars in the next days

His reply was along the lines of, "Okay, I'll tell her [The soon to be Mrs.] then run"

:D

[J@tko]

Sorry Jack, but I am afraid, Joe will not have the time to update it for the next weeks.

But, I can promise you, you have to do the shootout next round :D.
Oh no worries - makes me look like im doing better than I actually am :D

Bah. Keaveny's only getting married, what's the big deal ? :razz: :D

I told him to run the MoE broadcast on a huge projector during the ceremony. Then during the reception, non-stop iTCC in the background. I do believe, if memory serves, his actual funer....errrr....I mean wedding is on Saturday.

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:rofl: